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00:06:29 *** aber [~Adium@p5B325943.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:14:52 <Mazur> Funny. I built a double track and placed the signals on one of them wrong way around. 00:14:59 <Mazur> :-) 00:15:22 <Mazur> Couple of coal trains captured at the end. 00:16:31 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 00:20:55 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.27.246] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿] 00:22:37 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-253-240.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:23:03 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:24:34 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 00:26:53 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 00:35:11 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 00:35:30 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 00:36:12 <Jolteon> God damn it 00:36:19 <Jolteon> one breakdown on a train can really screw up networks 00:36:42 <PeterT> you're playing OpenTTD at 12:36 AM? 00:37:02 <Jolteon> 01:36 00:37:09 <PeterT> oh, daylight savings 00:37:20 <Jolteon> Yes 00:37:23 <Jolteon> We're in BST now 00:37:24 <Jolteon> not GMT 00:37:29 <Jolteon> BST is same as GMT+1 00:38:50 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9912.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:41 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-18-119.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:45:41 *** DevedseDS [~nds@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 00:45:50 *** DevedseDS [~nds@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [] 00:46:11 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 00:47:52 <zodttd> Rubidium: I'm not sure why OpenTTD was pulled with a second pull notice to Apple. I thought I covered each point from the first notice. I played OpenTTD on my iPad and it's nearly perfect with the higher res. Is there *anything* I can do to see OpenTTD on the iPad? 00:49:13 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-18-119.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:53:14 <SirSquidness> zodttd: take a screenshot of it on your desktop, and open the image on your pad 00:53:19 <SirSquidness> :p 00:53:36 <zodttd> Why? I have it running on my iPad 00:54:29 <zodttd> I'm currently using the port I made of OpenTTD to the iPhone in 2x scale mode. Wanting to see if I can get some cooperation to make it native to the iPad where it fits really well. 00:54:51 <zodttd> But I don't want to put in effort if it will be pulled from AppStore (again). :-( 01:00:44 <SirSquidness> I dunno, I was just makinga joke 01:01:02 <SirSquidness> I have no idea about the iPad 01:01:30 <zodttd> oh heh :D 01:13:17 *** ra-p11 [~ra-p11@96.51.215.108] has quit [Quit: ra-p11] 01:17:36 *** DevedseDS [~nds@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 01:25:36 *** DevedseDS [~nds@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: ClIRC - IRC client for Nintendo DS] 01:26:42 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-76-19-169-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:28:56 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-76-19-169-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 01:29:11 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-76-19-169-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:29:15 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-76-19-169-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:35:52 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:49:36 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 01:56:46 *** Biolunar_ [mahdi@blfd-4db0efea.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 02:04:02 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e76c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15:36 <Mazur> Is this the shortest track ever? I have a Power Station and a Coal mine so near, that the stations are only 5 squares apart. just enough for the unnecessary signals. :-) 02:16:22 <Mazur> Could have made it Two stations one apart. 02:19:13 *** rubenvincenten [~rubenvinc@s5594146e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 02:21:37 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-139-20.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 02:34:45 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has joined #openttd 02:40:12 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:40:24 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 02:48:08 <SirSquidness> andythenorth: around? 02:51:06 *** rubenvincenten [~rubenvinc@s5594146e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: rubenvincenten] 03:04:39 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c912.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 03:11:57 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8df45.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:16:18 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:1c06:f1b9:8245:6c5f] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:19:47 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-147-226-93.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:25:12 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:30:00 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]] 03:38:11 *** LadyHawk [~here@office01.ldhosting.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:38:19 *** LadyHawk [~here@office01.ldhosting.com] has joined #openttd 04:09:33 *** xtort- [~xtort-@adsl-76-214-116-80.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:35:29 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c912.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:44:27 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 05:13:23 *** sprawl [~harveytyr@cpe-76-174-201-124.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 05:24:16 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:45:22 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-23-94-77.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 05:53:51 <Mazur> How do I bribe the local council? 05:54:08 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 05:54:49 <De_Ghosty> with the bribe button 05:54:58 <De_Ghosty> or if u get caught you have to wait 05:55:11 <De_Ghosty> or the cheaper way is to plants lots of trees in their town 05:56:52 <Mazur> Did htat,m wasn't enough. 05:57:09 <Mazur> A button, I'll have a look. 05:59:11 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:00:13 <Mazur> De_Ghosty: Whwere do I find that button? 06:06:06 <Mazur> Anyone? Please. The power station and coal mine might go any minute. 06:06:48 <Mazur> And I'm not succesful finding it on the web. 06:09:25 <Mazur> Ok, found it. 06:09:47 <Mazur> Thanks for the help. 07:19:53 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:26:40 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:33:42 <awox> time to test openttd on my new rig 07:33:45 <awox> :D 07:36:32 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 07:38:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CF97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:41:37 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-247-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:47:36 *** Biolunar_ [mahdi@blfd-4db0efea.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:55:20 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:09:39 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@19.107.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 08:13:49 *** Goulp is now known as Muxy 08:14:51 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-147-226-93.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:15:50 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-147-226-93.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 08:46:34 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 08:50:38 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:21:33 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 09:22:48 *** OwenS [~owenshep@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:32:29 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has joined #openttd 09:39:43 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@95.147.73.193] has joined #openttd 09:42:55 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.11.240] has joined #openttd 09:45:53 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 09:49:07 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:55:24 *** Alberth1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:55:24 *** Alberth is now known as Guest1370 09:55:24 *** Alberth1 is now known as Alberth 09:57:20 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has quit [] 09:58:31 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EAF90.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:59:27 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest1371 09:59:27 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-23-73-225.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:00:37 *** Guest1370 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:03:11 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 10:03:13 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest1372 10:03:13 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-23-106-187.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:06:07 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:27 *** Guest1371 [~markmac@client-86-23-94-77.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:52 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:00 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest1373 10:08:00 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-23-42-146.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:09:20 *** Guest1372 [~markmac@client-86-23-73-225.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:30 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.27.246] has joined #openttd 10:13:17 *** Guest1373 [~markmac@client-86-23-106-187.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:19 *** djgummikuh [~djgummiku@93.185.107.139] has joined #openttd 10:13:22 <djgummikuh> Hey 10:13:40 <djgummikuh> is there any resource on how to setup an openttd dedicated server with a given set of NewGRFs? 10:13:43 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:15:13 <Alberth> possibly at the wiki 10:15:53 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 10:19:10 <djgummikuh> yeah... the openttd.cfg article has no info about that topic >. 10:19:11 <djgummikuh> < 10:21:03 <djgummikuh> aah I found something in the FAQ 10:21:22 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:22:17 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 10:28:14 *** aber [~Adium@p5B325943.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:29:01 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D979D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:29:37 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.127] has joined #openttd 10:31:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:39:24 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:44:32 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EAF90.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:51:39 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 10:52:21 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0efea.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:59:12 <djgummikuh> hey. what exactly do I have to put into the openttd.cfg of a dedicated server to use a newGRF set downloaded by content download? 10:59:31 <djgummikuh> I see no .grf file, only a .tar file under ~/.openttd/content_download/data 10:59:46 <djgummikuh> I added the name of the tar and the name of the .grf inside the tar to the config file 11:00:05 <djgummikuh> but when I kill the server, it overwrites the openttd.cfg so that the lines I added are deleted again 11:06:30 <Alberth> why not setup the newgrf from the ingame menu one time? 11:06:30 <Progman> then kill the server first and then add the grfs ;) 11:09:39 <peter1138> or keep the file open and only save it after quitting the server 11:10:02 <peter1138> anyway, it should be the path within the tar ball 11:11:31 <Mazur> Is there a way to see the feed of a station (its area), after it's been built? 11:12:08 <djgummikuh> Alberth: it's a dedicated server without graphical frontend running on a vhost 11:12:21 <djgummikuh> and I killed the server first, then added the value then rstarted the server 11:12:48 <djgummikuh> peter1138: so I should use e.g Very Large Ships.1.0/vl_shipw.grf instead of just vl_shipw.grf? 11:13:09 <Alberth> make a cfg with a normal computer, then copy it? 11:13:22 <djgummikuh> hmm 11:13:28 <Mazur> I'm about to build a factory, and I want to see if it's close enough or whether I would have to service it. 11:13:51 <djgummikuh> Mazur: just select the station build tool and pretend to rebuild the station where it already is 11:13:56 <djgummikuh> that way you see the feeding area again 11:14:07 <Mazur> Oh yes, of course. 11:15:14 <Mazur> By the way, speaking of that, what does building the same station on top of itself achieve? It costs money, but I don't always see results. 11:15:45 *** PaddoSwam [~paddoswam@ip52-160-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 11:15:51 <Ammler> djgummikuh: make a grf preset locally, then you can copy the cfg to your server 11:16:03 <PaddoSwam> Hello all, I have a problem setting up OpenTTD 1.0.0 on Ubuntu 8.04 LTS 11:16:03 <Ammler> (only the part about newgrfs) 11:16:16 <PaddoSwam> It simply doesn't run and I don't know where to look for errors 11:16:31 <Alberth> Mazur: nothing, unless your new station also covers some tiles that were not a station before. 11:16:32 <Ammler> PaddoSwam: run it from console 11:16:40 <PaddoSwam> Ok let me try that 11:17:23 <djgummikuh> Ammler: I just tried that and copied the newgrf section from the config file over to the server 11:17:40 <djgummikuh> still no difference, the server does not use the grf file and after I shutdown the server, the modification of the config file is reverted 11:17:57 <Mazur> Thanks, Alberth. Though that leaves me with the question of how to achieve the bare platform look for stations that are not such as default. 11:17:59 <Rubidium> djgummikuh: so it can't find the NewGRF 11:18:01 <Ammler> djgummikuh: did you also update the server with bananas grfs? 11:18:02 <djgummikuh> note though, that the file was saved BEFORE i started the server and the modification was still present in the file when the server was running 11:18:20 <djgummikuh> Ammler: yes the file has been downloaded using content select 225 11:18:28 <Ammler> oh, you load a save? 11:18:31 <djgummikuh> no 11:18:38 <djgummikuh> just did openTTD -D 11:19:01 <Rubidium> content select only selects; it doesn't download it 11:19:05 <djgummikuh> Rubidium: am I supposed to put the file anywhere after I downloaded it with conten download? 11:19:12 <djgummikuh> Rubidium: yeah I of course did content download afterwards 11:19:24 <djgummikuh> and I have the relevant file in ~/.openttd/content_download/data/ 11:19:30 <djgummikuh> it's a .tar file 11:19:39 <Mazur> ( As a dead Newbie, I love the uncovered platforms as the trains are all clear in sight while I'm learning. 11:19:43 <Mazur> ) 11:19:44 <Alberth> djgummikuh: run with a debug flag, so you get some output, eg ./openttd -d grf=1 11:20:01 <Alberth> higher numbers is more output 11:20:40 <Alberth> Mazur: you can use the transparency setting ('x' to toggle, 'ctl+x' for a menu) 11:20:57 <Mazur> But my deja vu suggests it depends on what kind of feed the station has. 11:21:01 <Alberth> Mazur: otherwise, you need to use a newgrf with other station graphics 11:21:42 <Alberth> yes, most station newgrfs have platforms dedicated to a certain type of cargo, for more pretty pictures 11:21:58 <Ammler> djgummikuh: easiest is to setup the game locally 11:22:09 <djgummikuh> Ammler: locally the game works fine 11:22:09 <Ammler> and then load it with -g on the server 11:22:10 <Mazur> Alberth: I know about transparancy, but even then, the superstructure is a grey mist above the platforms. 11:22:36 <djgummikuh> ok I did with grf=1 and got output but I'm not sure what to expect so I don't know if the output helps me to any degree 11:22:44 <Mazur> That's what I was afraid of. 11:22:47 <Alberth> Mazur: play with the buttons in the menu 11:23:34 <djgummikuh> here is my debug output 11:23:37 <djgummikuh> http://pastebin.org/136693 11:23:43 <Mazur> Ah, thanks, hadn't looked at them with this in mind. 11:24:50 <djgummikuh> ah now I have something 11:24:52 <Ammler> djgummikuh: grf related seems fine 11:24:57 <djgummikuh> ini: ignoring invalid NewGRF 'very_large_ships.0.1\vl_shipw.grf': not found 11:25:07 <djgummikuh> I forgot that the line was deleted again 11:25:31 <djgummikuh> however, this is the line I copied from my local client (on which it works fine!) 11:25:46 <PaddoSwam> @Ammler it's running thanks a bunch! 11:26:30 <Ammler> PaddoSwam: most linux apps do have some basic debug output, if you start them in console ;-) 11:27:04 <Alberth> Mazur: if you start a new game, load the 'industrial station renewal' NewGRF first, for more bare platforms 11:27:40 <Mazur> Okidoki. :-) 11:28:08 * Mazur has to placate a local council to get a ne factory working and save some farms. 11:28:19 * djgummikuh thinks the newGRF stuff still is too complicated to use efficiently 11:28:45 <Ammler> setup it locally and transfer to the server... 11:28:49 <Ammler> that is quite easy 11:28:55 <djgummikuh> Ammler: I did :( 11:29:00 <djgummikuh> on the client it works fine 11:29:05 <djgummikuh> on the server it says ini: ignoring invalid NewGRF 'very_large_ships.0.1\vl_shipw.grf': not found 11:29:11 <djgummikuh> though the file is there 11:29:25 <djgummikuh> I *assume* it's a windows vs linux (case insensitive vs case sensitive) issue 11:29:34 <djgummikuh> however, I'm running out of time for the moment and have to take care of that later... 11:29:41 <Ammler> or \ against / 11:29:48 <djgummikuh> oh shit 11:29:57 <djgummikuh> you're right I'm gonna try THAT out right now 11:30:03 <Ammler> / works on windows too, afaik 11:30:41 <djgummikuh> you, sir, are a genious 11:30:42 <ragzid> PaddoSwam: check whether menu link starts openttd or openttd-wrapper like debian 11:30:53 <djgummikuh> Ammler: yeah but the windows system used \ in the config file 11:31:23 <djgummikuh> yay it works 11:31:27 * djgummikuh does the happy dance 11:31:44 <Ammler> again, setup it locally and then load the save is still easier 11:31:49 <Ammler> also settings 11:32:06 <djgummikuh> Ammler: i DID 11:32:11 <Ammler> you didn't 11:32:13 <djgummikuh> that was copied 1:1 11:32:14 <djgummikuh> yes I did 11:32:20 <djgummikuh> it did use \ locally on my windows machine 11:32:21 <Ammler> you copied the cfg content 11:32:39 <Ammler> you should setup the game and then load the _save_ 11:32:43 <Rubidium> djgummikuh: savegames don't have \ or / for NewGRF identification 11:32:47 <djgummikuh> ah ok 11:32:49 <djgummikuh> no I don't want that 11:32:50 <djgummikuh> :P 11:33:07 <djgummikuh> NOW I even understand what you want from me - I thought you were talking about the .cfg all the time :) 11:33:19 <Ammler> the cfg is for new games only 11:33:23 <Ammler> keep that in mind 11:33:32 <djgummikuh> yeah I'm doing new games all the time :) 11:34:42 <djgummikuh> but cool now that I understood that, I'll stuff my server full with updates :P 11:35:15 <djgummikuh> bye for now :) and thanks for the help 11:36:49 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:38:37 *** tdev [~tdev@p57B7D98D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:39:36 *** sprawl [~harveytyr@cpe-76-174-201-124.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [] 11:46:41 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:47:09 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 11:47:39 <Mazur> Hm, ihteresting bug. I just bbuilt a road depot outside the local jurisdition, but quit close, and when I click it, I get the train depot instead. No, it's not a joint spot. 11:53:10 <Mazur> Oh well, justm built another depot in a nearby city, and built a road between. 11:53:20 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c912.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:56:29 <Jupix> can someone be arsed to test if this works correctly in openttd-EZ? http://jupix.info/openttd/gfxdev-nightlies/files/32bit-gfx-nightly-megapack-2010-04-05.tar 11:59:33 *** Alberth1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:59:33 *** Alberth is now known as Guest1382 11:59:33 *** Alberth1 is now known as Alberth 12:02:11 *** tdev [~tdev@p57B7D98D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:04:12 *** Guest1382 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:07:30 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 12:08:19 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 12:12:12 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 12:17:56 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c0c7:4707:17b8:be34] has joined #openttd 12:18:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:20:16 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:17 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 12:26:21 <Ammler> Jupix: do not use ogfxe_extra :-) 12:26:59 <Ammler> I wonder, nobody told you yet. 12:27:42 <Jupix> when it comes to technical stuff like that, i don't know anything about anything 12:27:56 <Jupix> i'm just using GeekToo's latest template.tar 12:27:58 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/32bpp-extra <-- use that instead 12:29:44 <Jupix> i think in the case of this script that translates to "ignore everything under ogfxe_extra" 12:30:06 <Ammler> which script? 12:30:19 <Jupix> the one that builds the pack you downloaded 12:30:57 <Jupix> takes finished stuff from the repo, extracts the tars and reorganizes them to fit the template 12:31:19 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.11.240] has quit [] 12:32:25 <Ammler> you are sure, that template is up2date? 12:32:33 <Ammler> I guess, that was from before 32bpp-extra 12:34:28 <Jupix> not sure 12:35:02 <Jupix> anyway, does the pack work, apart from the extras mixup? 12:36:10 <Ammler> what is the license you use? 12:36:55 <Ammler> (I am still building... :-) 12:38:34 <Jupix> for now, the contents are just random graphics with license or no license 12:38:45 <Jupix> until i get the thing to work 12:39:36 <Ammler> seems fine 12:39:58 <Jupix> then, once the repo gets a bit more organised (which leads to the automatic organising process working properly), you can click the links in the contents list and see the license for that particular tar, as set by the author 12:40:10 <Jupix> ok, nice 12:40:30 <Ammler> it for base set only? 12:40:40 <Ammler> or do you also support newgrfs? 12:40:46 <Jupix> base set only 12:42:10 <Jupix> (or "i don't know", meaning, the pack contains numbered png's, i don't know if those can replace newgrf graphics too) 12:42:52 <Ammler> would need a folder <newgrf>/ in the tar, afaik 12:43:52 <Jupix> then it can be accomodated but the (original) tar at the repository would have to be organised in that manner, too, so no problem there 12:43:54 <Ammler> wouldn't it make sense to split the tar like the mega pack did? 12:44:10 <Ammler> so someone doesn't need to download the whole pack for a single sprite update? 12:44:47 <Jupix> no, i think you misunderstand what this is, this is just a nightly build of "everything" at the repo 12:44:56 <Jupix> so if you want to update something, you just update the singular item at the repo 12:45:14 <Jupix> then "my megapack" gets updated the next time it's built 12:45:33 *** Goulp [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 12:45:52 <Ammler> yes, and someone likes to use that update, he needs to download the whole pack 12:49:16 <Jupix> well, if someone doesn't want to do that, he can log in as guest at the repo and get the singular item and put it in place :) 12:49:56 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-23-42-146.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 12:50:18 *** Muxy is now known as Guest1387 12:50:18 *** Goulp is now known as Muxy 12:50:39 <Jupix> personally i prefer the one-tar-megapack approach because it doesn't make a mess in /data/ 12:51:20 <Jupix> i tried making a "tar of tars" but it didn't look like the game supports that 12:52:31 *** rubenvincenten [~rubenvinc@s5594146e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:52:54 *** Guest1387 [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:58 *** rubenvincenten [~rubenvinc@s5594146e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 12:55:33 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:00:14 *** Alberth1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:00:14 *** Alberth is now known as Guest1389 13:00:14 *** Alberth1 is now known as Alberth 13:02:16 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@95.147.73.193] has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:05:50 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:06:53 *** Guest1389 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:15 *** PaddoSwam [~paddoswam@ip52-160-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [] 13:14:57 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:15:55 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 13:27:01 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:22 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:35 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:35:07 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:35:35 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 13:36:18 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:39:08 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 13:43:45 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-23-42-146.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:52:36 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:54:36 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 13:55:02 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:00:04 *** Lapsus [~Lapsusant@H105.C194.cci.switchworks.net] has quit [] 14:02:46 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc39ac.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:13:10 *** rubenvincenten [~ruben@s5594146e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:13:15 *** rubenvincenten is now known as ruben 14:13:38 *** noeN [~Neon@dslb-088-069-247-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:13:42 *** ruben [~ruben@s5594146e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 14:14:01 *** Mrruben5 [~ruben@s5594146e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:15:07 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:17:47 *** Greven [~Greven@c83-254-96-219.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 14:19:13 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-247-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:24:26 <oskari89> How river placement in scenery editor can be so irritating. There's just too much work. 14:24:38 <oskari89> Doing 1000 lakes scenery. 14:25:18 <oskari89> Has water on different levels, and all above "normal level" needs to be placed manually. 14:25:40 <Eddi|zuHause> make a river import addon to heightmaps :) 14:26:04 <oskari89> That would be very very handy. 14:26:47 <oskari89> http://wiki.openttd.org/Lively_Rivers <- is this on developement anymore? 14:27:50 <oskari89> Would make canals handy. 14:28:44 *** kimiko [~kimiko@139.80-202-177.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 14:28:49 <kimiko> hello :D 14:29:19 <Alberth> hello 14:29:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i had a TGP-Patch for rivers, but it was incomplete 14:29:37 <kimiko> Question for you guys. Does the availability of helicopters stop after a certain time period? Because, my openttd 1.0 with no extras downloaded has no helicopters available in 2056 14:29:46 <Eddi|zuHause> depended on rivers-on-halftiles 14:34:29 <oskari89> Hmm. 14:36:35 <kimiko> I've created helipads, heliports, helidepots... even tried the airports. no helis to be bought 14:36:45 <kimiko> (and I hate the futuristic design of the jets -- but oh well) 14:36:59 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:37:20 <Ammler> kimiko: as you already guessed, download some extras 14:37:23 <Eddi|zuHause> kimiko: yes, the helicopters disappear after a certain date 14:37:28 <OwenS> kimiko: If vehicles expire is enabled, then the helicopters will disappear 14:37:39 <Belugas> hello 14:38:17 <kimiko> where is said setting hidden under? 14:38:21 <Ammler> oh, canada also working today? 14:38:58 <Ammler> kimiko: it isn't hidden, available from the gui 14:39:28 <kimiko> nvm 14:39:39 <kimiko> found it.. Advanced Settings > Vehicles 14:40:50 <Belugas> canada worked friday and saturday 14:40:53 <Belugas> and today too 14:41:05 <Belugas> canada is pissed off, mad and furious 14:41:15 <Belugas> canada wants to kick some ass big time 14:41:27 <Alberth> It should be forbidden by law 14:42:13 <Alberth> ('it' being that people work at such days) 14:45:15 <Eddi|zuHause> it is here :) 14:45:48 <kimiko> awww rats... can't get the helis back in a active/current game... 14:45:52 <kimiko> bummer 14:55:39 *** Greven [~Greven@c83-254-96-219.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Greven] 14:55:56 <Belugas> let say that there is someone who is going to pay me for the blunder. and i have my price set, believe me 14:57:11 <Alberth> one whole week free! 14:57:12 *** DJ_Nekkid_dot_nl is now known as DJNekkid 14:57:54 <Belugas> hehe ... that is a bit too much to ask ;) I 14:57:55 <Belugas> m not 14:57:57 <Eddi|zuHause> kimiko: go to the console and type "resetengines" 14:58:04 <Belugas> that hungry 14:59:02 <Belugas> there is that canon lens i've chekcing: 70-300 IS USM. worth about 500$ US. I tried it not too long ago and it's quite a beauty 14:59:12 <Belugas> so... that will be my price 14:59:21 <Alberth> nice! 14:59:28 <Belugas> no cash, since you'll be taxed ;) 15:03:47 <oskari89> Wow.. 15:04:27 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.11.240] has joined #openttd 15:04:51 *** Alberth1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:04:51 *** Alberth is now known as Guest1401 15:04:51 *** Alberth1 is now known as Alberth 15:04:58 <oskari89> 1 and half million residents in one city, how big can it grow anyway in scenario editor? 15:06:02 <Doorslammer> Citizens breeding like rabbits no doubt... 15:06:34 <Doorslammer> I really really want to say "Oops, wrong window" right now 15:06:43 <oskari89> :D 15:09:26 *** Ciprian97 [~cipik97@92.84.32.99] has joined #openttd 15:09:37 <Ciprian97> hi 15:10:17 <kimiko> is there any way to increase the percentage of steel an steel mill transports to me (currently 0) 15:10:20 <planetmaker> hi Ciprian97 (& all others :-) ) 15:10:30 *** Guest1401 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:14:23 *** Ciprian97 is now known as ShadowCip 15:17:05 <oskari89> Now two and half million.. 15:18:17 <Alberth> kimiko: bring iron ore, so it produces steel, and transport steel away from it. 15:23:02 <kimiko> I am bringing plenty of iron ore, and it produces 92-170 tonnes of steel monthly.. but it refuses to let me transport the steel 15:24:57 <lugo> kimiko, switch the waggons to steel 15:25:16 <lugo> in a depot you can set which type of cargo a waggon can transport 15:25:28 <kimiko> rated Steel Truck 15:25:32 <kimiko> so, it's the right one 15:26:05 <kimiko> iron ore to the mill, steel is supposed to go to the factory and the factory makes the goods 15:26:27 <Alberth> perhaps your station is too far away? 15:26:50 <kimiko> nope 15:26:52 <kimiko> it accepts it 15:27:00 <kimiko> accepts iron ore 15:27:09 <Alberth> any competition? 15:27:12 <kimiko> nope 15:27:23 <Alberth> accepting ore does not imply it can get steel 15:27:44 <kimiko> it does produce steel though 15:28:09 <Alberth> the mill does, I guess :) 15:29:04 <kimiko> I can try moving the station I suppose 15:29:05 <Alberth> however, if the truck-stop accepts iron ore, that does not automatically mean you are in range for getting steel, afaik those two use seperate ranges 15:29:54 <Alberth> if you open the build-station window, pick the same station that you have, and hoover above your existing one, does the picker window show steel? 15:29:55 <kimiko> that's stupid 15:30:16 <kimiko> Accepts Iron Ore, Supplies Steel 15:30:47 <Alberth> I think we covered the basics. We need a save game from you to understand what is wrong, I think 15:31:48 <kimiko> mail it to you? 15:32:38 <Alberth> some binary file upload service, or post at tt-forums 15:34:21 <kimiko> www.is.gd/bfGt1 15:34:54 <kimiko> Teddyweed Woods is the station 15:37:25 <Alberth> why does it have a 'unload and stay empty' order? 15:38:33 <kimiko> ...... 15:38:41 <kimiko> I have no idea 15:38:50 <kimiko> wrong line I suppose 15:39:11 <Alberth> if you change it to full load, it works here 15:39:20 <kimiko> just changed it 15:39:23 <kimiko> sorry >< 15:40:10 <Alberth> np 15:40:51 <kimiko> there we go.. Steel! <3 15:46:29 <ragzid> do I need special train vehicles for FIRS? 15:48:54 <Eddi|zuHause> ragzid: how special do you currently have? 15:49:24 <ragzid> no special, just generic, this is my first attempt to learn how FIRS works :) 15:49:29 <Eddi|zuHause> ragzid: the default vehicle set cannot carry the cargos. use the "Old Wagons New Cargos" grf in that case 15:50:22 <Eddi|zuHause> ragzid: most other sets like UKRS or NARS already can carry the cargos, they don't need anything special 15:51:45 <ragzid> thanks :) i already found topic about FIRS at tt-forums, and paragraph about "Vehicle Set Support" 16:34:07 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c0c7:4707:17b8:be34] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:34:25 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 16:37:19 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc39ac.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:44 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:44:22 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c0c7:4707:17b8:be34] has joined #openttd 16:44:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:12:24 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:12:24 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:47 *** Adambean [CG1@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 17:32:07 *** aber [~Adium@p5B325943.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 17:45:56 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19564 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed) 17:45:56 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:56 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: greek - 4 changes by fumantsu 17:45:56 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 14 changes by Saulius 17:45:56 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: russian - 1 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:45:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: serbian - 1 changes by etran 17:45:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: slovenian - 1 changes by ntadej 17:59:03 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc39ac.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:03:50 *** Aylomen [~chatzilla@DSL01.212.114.231.113.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 18:11:18 *** Alberth1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:11:18 *** Alberth is now known as Guest1414 18:11:18 *** Alberth1 is now known as Alberth 18:17:24 *** Guest1414 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:18:44 *** Mrruben5 [~ruben@s5594146e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Mrruben5] 18:26:53 <OwenS> Why can you no longer get 4:3/5:4 monitors? :( 18:31:11 <__ln__> 'cause those are so 00's 18:31:30 <OwenS> They're so better :P 18:31:53 <ragzid> and what about black tape at the sides and lower resolution?:) 18:32:18 <OwenS> ragzid: I'm a multi-monitor person. That just doesn't work :p 18:33:36 <ragzid> so buy enough monitors/panels and set them to 4:3 :) 18:34:08 <OwenS> ragzid: The problem is I would like 2 or 3 relatively narrow monitors side-by-side, not 3 unnecessarily wide ones which make my neck ache 18:36:04 <OwenS> In fact, my ideal monitor would be portrait 18:36:29 <__ln__> then buy one that can be used as portrait 18:36:57 <OwenS> Those tend to be rather expensive. Also, sub-pixel AA doesn't work as well with veritcal-RGB 18:44:41 <ragzid> i can't image playing ottd in portrait mode 18:46:03 <OwenS> ragzid: Not OpenTTD. Programming and reading 18:47:18 <ragzid> it must be bad for neck, imho it's better to turn head in horizontal direction... 18:48:01 <ragzid> i have panel with potrait mode, but I've never used it 18:50:03 <ragzid> anyway... why are some of stations from newGRFs grayed out? 18:50:25 <ragzid> do they depend on climate? or any other GRF? 18:54:57 <Alberth> cargo not available? 18:55:21 <Alberth> not late enough in the game? 18:55:23 <OwenS> ragzid: Portrait is much better for you because your eyes have to do much less horizontal travel, which is much better for them (There is a maximum column width beyond which reading becomes much harder) 18:55:30 <Alberth> almost anything is possible 18:56:36 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 19:01:55 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:08:11 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:11 <oskari89> Can depot speed limit be deactivated someway in OTTD 1.0? 19:11:04 <Alberth> by hacking the source :p 19:12:27 <oskari89> I recall there was switch for that, on some revision i played. 19:13:59 *** Alberth1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:13:59 *** Alberth is now known as Guest1420 19:13:59 *** Alberth1 is now known as Alberth 19:15:57 <ragzid> Alberth: thx, it's probably the year (starting, 1951:D) 19:18:05 <ragzid> FIRS is really complex, it brings other dimension to the game :) 19:19:19 *** Guest1420 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:36:33 *** Tennel [~Tennel@wh2-212.st.Uni-Magdeburg.DE] has joined #openttd 19:36:45 <ShadowCip> byeeeeee 19:41:49 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 19:42:51 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 19:44:07 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:49:13 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:50:52 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@30.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 19:51:31 *** Yexo [~Yexo@205-89-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 19:51:37 <Terkhen> hello 19:52:05 *** ShadowCip [~cipik97@92.84.32.99] has left #openttd [] 19:52:48 <PeterT> Hello Terkhen 20:00:13 <Rubidium> OwenS: isn't 10:16 like the "ideal" for reading documents? 20:00:28 *** Tennel [~Tennel@wh2-212.st.Uni-Magdeburg.DE] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1] 20:03:30 <jordi> I'm not sure when the release happened, as I was on vacation 20:03:37 <jordi> however, congratulations everyone! 20:04:05 <Rubidium> jordi: April 1st ofcourse :) 20:04:09 <OwenS> Rubidium: Something like that. The original PARC Altos had 10:16, so it was Apple who first got things wrong 20:04:44 <OwenS> Obviously a little wider is probably useful on PCs for sidebars and such 20:04:56 <OwenS> (Though I guess I tend to read an abnormally large number of PDFs) 20:04:58 <jordi> ah, that's a great release date :) 20:05:06 <jordi> did Duke Nukem Forever get released too? :) 20:06:16 <Rubidium> jordi: don't know; don't follow that 20:06:39 <aber> :D 20:06:58 <__ln__> jordi: available as NewGRF 20:07:33 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-229-36.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:09:31 <OwenS> WTF Gnome? Why does Evolution popup when I click "Edit" in the clock? What the heck does Evolution have to do with that? 20:10:11 <jordi> OwenS: theclock uses evo-data-server 20:10:18 <jordi> ie, the calendar in evolution 20:10:26 <__ln__> OwenS: What does "Edit" do in your wrist watch? 20:10:28 <OwenS> OK, thats just crazy 20:10:35 <OwenS> __ln__: Change the time. Not fire up the E-Mail client. 20:11:01 <jordi> OwenS: you do that in right click -> preferences 20:11:10 <jordi> (or use a ntp server :) 20:11:18 <OwenS> I think I have NTP configured 20:11:31 <OwenS> So what does Edit do? Scheduling? And why does it assume Evolution? 20:11:48 <__ln__> OwenS: On the other hand, we know that on a *nix-style system the time is not user-editable usually, and in a modern networked workstation there should hardly ever be a reason to manually adjust the clock. 20:11:58 <Rubidium> because it evolved that way? 20:12:17 <Rubidium> just kill it and let the genetic process start from another branch and maybe it'll get better 20:12:19 <Eddi|zuHause> <Rubidium> OwenS: isn't 10:16 like the "ideal" for reading documents? <-- isn't an A4 sheet 1:sqrt(2) [about 10:14]? 20:12:52 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: A4 is imperfect. The ideal is slightly "fatter" 20:13:06 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, but A4 doesn't have to title bar, ribbon, menu bar etc. 20:13:06 <OwenS> __ln__: But there may be a reason to change the timezone, for example 20:14:00 <__ln__> true 20:14:02 <OwenS> I want my KDE back :( 20:14:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i vaguely remember a 22" 16:10 monitor fits two A4 sheets next to each other 20:17:37 <Rubidium> something completely different. Does anyone know how to get the 'resolution' in lines and columns (e.g. 80x25 for DOS) of a console from a (ba)sh script? 20:17:49 <Rubidium> in Linux 20:19:24 <peter1138> $COLUMNS 20:19:31 <peter1138> $LINES 20:20:01 <OwenS> Better than what was going to be my suggestion, namely compile a Curses program to do the same :p 20:21:05 <OwenS> Jeeze... The Multiboot 2 specification STILL contains Mach and VSTa, when both have been dead for ~5 years? 20:21:20 <peter1138> mind you, being linux, it'll probably turn out to be specific to my terminal and shell combination 20:21:36 <OwenS> peter1138: Well, gnome-terminal on Solaris creates them 20:22:02 <Rubidium> peter1138: thanks :) 20:22:16 <peter1138> OwenS, and alas, i'm using gnome-terminal 20:22:20 <OwenS> I believe SIGWINCH is the notice that they have changed 20:22:33 <peter1138> works in xterm too 20:22:35 <Rubidium> so kms made my non-X console a mere 240x75 20:22:38 <OwenS> I just tried that :p 20:22:39 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8808.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:25:10 <SpComb> how many 80x25 terminals can you fit 20:25:12 <OwenS> OK, seriously Solaris, do you need all of the following: /usr/bin/make; /usr/dtbld/bin/make; /usr/gnu/bin/make; /opt/sunstudio12.1/bin/dmake? 20:25:34 <Rubidium> SpComb: 9 20:26:42 <OwenS> Of which, dtbld & gnu are GMake, usr/bin/make is SVR4 and dmake is Sun's own version 20:29:18 <SpComb> http://qmsk.net/~terom/stuff/tiled.png <-- not quite 1440x900 20:29:32 <OwenS> "Unfortunately, there is a horrendous variety of executable file formats even among 20:29:32 <OwenS> free Unix-like pc-based operating systems â generally a different format for each operating 20:29:32 <OwenS> system. Most of the relevant free operating systems use some variant of a.out format, but 20:29:32 <OwenS> some are moving to elf." <- You are writing a new version of this specification. In 2010. Which operating systems still use a.out?! 20:29:46 <OwenS> Thanks for no splitting warning, client... 20:31:06 <Rubidium> SpComb: for me the 80x25 spans 640x400 pixels (320x200 anyone?) 20:31:53 <OwenS> Rubidium: On VGA, text mode is actually 640x400 IIRC 20:32:06 <OwenS> Or is it 640x200 linedoubled? I don't remember 20:33:22 <aber> I hate widescreen 3200x1200, how can one work with that? I guess it fits a lot of shell windows... 20:33:47 *** egladil [~egladil@s83-191-244-232.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:33:51 <Aylomen> is there a server, whic is like Biranetta's auto-pilot? 20:34:26 <OwenS> Aylomen: Sorry, what? 20:34:37 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc39ac.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:34:46 <Aylomen> A server with a familiary playing athmosphere 20:34:59 <OwenS> Auto-pilot isn't a server. Its a tool 20:35:09 <PeterT> It's a TCL script, to be exact 20:35:12 <Aylomen> y, I know 20:35:34 <PeterT> Define what you mean by "Like Brianetta's autopilot"? 20:35:44 <PeterT> There are servers run with AutoPilot 20:35:47 <Eddi|zuHause> <Rubidium> so kms made my non-X console a mere 240x75 <-- apparently my console is 275x32 20:36:09 <Aylomen> but I mean the nice playing athmosphere at Brianetta's sevrer (which is off now) 20:37:49 <Rubidium> Aylomen: that server has been down for literally years now 20:37:52 <Eddi|zuHause> (that's about full screen width and half screen height) 20:38:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought that went down around 0.6-ish 20:38:42 <Aylomen> and I search a server now, where I can play, which is similary to the old Biranetta's server 20:39:03 <Aylomen> must be half a year ago or so 20:39:31 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: 0.6-ish is 2 years ago 20:39:31 <Eddi|zuHause> more like 2-3 years 20:39:39 <Aylomen> no 20:39:43 <Aylomen> last year I played on it 20:39:44 <Aylomen> surely 20:39:48 <Rubidium> Aylomen: don't know any servers like Brianetta's 20:39:56 <OwenS> Rubidium: Do you know many servers? :p 20:40:24 <Rubidium> OwenS: no 20:40:33 <Rubidium> does that matter though? 20:40:58 <OwenS> I suppose it matters that the channel may not be the most knowledgeble about this :p 20:41:00 <OwenS> The only ones I know all begin with # 20:41:10 <OwenS> #openttdcoop* :P 20:41:45 <Rubidium> oh my... there's a server running r8285-MiniIN (what a desync fest that must be) 20:42:15 <OwenS> Jeez... How long ago was MiniIN discontinued? :P 20:42:35 <Rubidium> @commit 8285 20:42:35 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Commit by rubidium :: r8285 /branches/MiniIN (3 files) (2007-01-19 23:45:08 UTC) 20:42:36 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: [MiniIN] -Fix (r5657): [Physics] desync due to not saving 'flags' variable of VehicleRoad which is used for modelling the (acceleration) state of a road vehicle. 20:42:48 <Rubidium> shortly after that 20:43:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i can find evidence of brianettas server running 0.6.2 and 0.6.3rc1 20:43:31 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:45:09 <Rubidium> MiniIN stopped at 0.5.0 20:46:27 <PeterT> Oh, wow 20:46:37 <PeterT> I didn't know MiniIN was actually maintained by developers 20:47:06 <Eddi|zuHause> for stretched definitions of "maintain" :p 20:47:22 <PeterT> I thought it was a patchpack 20:47:29 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it was 20:47:41 <Terkhen> and I didn't know it included realistic acceleration for road vehicles 20:47:54 <Eddi|zuHause> the one with the highest life span 20:48:34 <OwenS> I remember playing with the original IN. Though I suppose playing 0.3 "dates me" more :p 20:48:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: i believe it was a different acceleration patch than the one that ended up in trunk 20:48:50 <Aylomen> in forum under "random sreenshots" are sreenies from Biranetta's standard from april 09. think it was october or so, when it went down 20:50:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't find the closing announcement, but 1. October it appears to have been down for a while already 20:50:50 <Terkhen> Eddi|zuHause: that's very likely, the code is very different and uses different constants / design decisions 20:51:39 <Aylomen> thats was just a guess date 20:53:24 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-139-20.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:24 <Rubidium> Aylomen: Brianetta's server is dead for a long time; might be that sometimes he plays a single game and such, but it's more not-there than there for the last years 20:55:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i find evidence of there being a server on 10. June 21:00:10 <Rubidium> should we say "English only" now? 21:01:16 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19565 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp newgrf_callbacks.h newgrf_industrytiles.cpp): -Fix: some NewGRF callbacks were named incorrectly 21:01:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: you can try that, but i'm not entirely sure it'll change anything :p 21:02:01 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: thought so... too much rust and such 21:03:14 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:28 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:10:07 *** egladil [~egladil@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se] has joined #openttd 21:13:20 *** egladil [~egladil@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se] has quit [] 21:18:44 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:18:46 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19566 /trunk/src/newgrf_industries.cpp: -Fix (r11216, r11202): don't return a random colour for unowned industries in var 45; TTDPatch doesn't seem to set the colour data in that case either. 21:23:01 <__ln__> 00:00 <@Rubidium> should we say "English only" now? <--- preferably yes 21:26:14 <Terkhen> good night 21:26:19 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 21:26:22 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 21:26:23 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@30.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 21:27:00 <OwenS> Hmm... Stovis ( http://corte.si/projects/sortvis/index.html ) needs a visualization for Bogosort 21:28:09 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 21:29:11 <OwenS> Stovis? What was I thinking? Sortvis :p 21:29:34 <ddfreyne> stokvis 21:34:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CF97.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:35:11 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19567 /branches/1.0/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 21:35:11 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk: 21:35:11 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Feature: Give more detailed error message when trying to build a too long bridge (r19561) 21:35:11 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Do not return a random colour for unowned industries in var 45; TTDPatch does not seem to set the colour data in that case either and it could lead to desyncs (r19566) 21:35:11 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Window::OnResize() was not always called while resizing a window causing incorrect windows [FS#3730] (r19563, r19558) 21:35:12 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Bridge build error message should not show the same message twice (r19560, r19559) 21:35:12 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Missed conversion to checking temporary data broke rail type setting upon changing traction type (r19557) 21:38:41 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-38-180.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:40:56 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-94-172.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 21:40:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:44:12 *** Aylomen [~chatzilla@DSL01.212.114.231.113.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 21:46:40 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@19.107.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:51:51 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:44 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 22:02:06 * OwenS wonders how quickly a Bogosort becomes unbearably slow :p 22:03:33 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:04:43 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:09:39 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:11:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:11:49 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 22:16:14 <OwenS> XD 22:16:14 <OwenS> Bogosort takes more time than all the useful algorithms combined 22:19:17 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:24:18 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-150-105.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:28:28 *** kimiko [~kimiko@139.80-202-177.nextgentel.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:10 *** Mrruben5 [~ruben@s5594146e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:42:56 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 22:44:50 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:44:57 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 22:52:05 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 23:00:23 <Eddi|zuHause> why didn't i think of that? http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/129057249545630776.jpg 23:00:56 <KenjiE20> lol 23:02:09 <glx> and the ground ? 23:15:08 <OwenS> glx: I assume the idea is that its carried by the other cable 23:15:12 <OwenS> Or, you may have a ground loop :p 23:31:35 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.27.246] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿ãªãã] 23:32:26 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-229-36.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:32:39 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-23-42-146.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 23:36:28 *** noeN [~Neon@dslb-088-069-247-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 23:50:25 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D9C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:59:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77247.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:59:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77353.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd