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Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 00:56:17 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-2-0-cust478.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:38 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c398.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:56 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:15:14 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 01:20:50 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 01:43:21 <Eddi|zuHause> why is it, when i have X+10 MB free, and i copy a file of size X to the drive, i get "not enough space" error? 01:43:55 <Eddi|zuHause> (real MB, not drivemaker's MB) 01:48:52 <glx> 10MB is not a lot 01:51:27 <Eddi|zuHause> but i once learned X+10 > X 01:52:50 <glx> maybe the difference between file size, and file "real" size (the space it really uses on the disk) 01:53:06 <glx> but 10MB is a lot 01:53:23 <Eddi|zuHause> but shouldn't that be in the order of one cluster size? 01:53:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. like 4kb? 01:54:00 <glx> unless those 10MB is the sum of all files wasted space 01:54:27 <Eddi|zuHause> why would df report that? 01:54:48 <glx> dunno I just send ideas as they come :) 01:55:27 <Eddi|zuHause> the most probable cause i can think of is that some space is reserved for root 01:55:44 <Eddi|zuHause> but i forgot where to check that 02:01:03 <Eddi|zuHause> hmm... "Reserved block count: 0" 02:01:15 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 02:09:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't understand it... when i do "cat /dev/zero > test.xxx" it stops at 64MB, and when i start other such files, it makes additional 4-10MB each before stopping 02:09:20 <JFBelugas> GO HABS GO! 02:09:22 <JFBelugas> mmh 02:09:42 <Eddi|zuHause> JFBelugas: do people at your place have holiday tomorrow? 02:10:00 <JFBelugas> :( 02:10:02 <JFBelugas> no 02:10:09 * JFBelugas cries 02:10:38 <JFBelugas> why? you do? 02:10:44 <glx> of course :) 02:11:27 <Eddi|zuHause> it's one of the most important christian holidays... i believe pretty much everywhere in europe... 02:12:06 *** bryjen [~bryjen@cpe-75-81-201-131.we.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 02:12:31 <JFBelugas> it is? 02:12:40 <JFBelugas> la sant-glin-glin? 02:12:44 <JFBelugas> buwahahhq!!! 02:13:47 <Eddi|zuHause> of course over here it's also "men's day", meaning a lot of drinking :p 02:14:49 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 02:24:51 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:26:33 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: zzz] 03:03:56 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4d0e:b7d:7405:101a] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:04:46 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 03:52:42 *** JFBelugas [~jfranc@ip-15.40.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: Wife calls...] 04:09:16 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-126-168.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:11:35 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-235-64.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 04:11:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 04:12:55 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.16.64] has quit [] 04:25:42 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:27:58 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 04:31:47 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-235-64.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:33:59 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-126-221.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 04:34:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 04:56:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B770E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:56:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B777A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:00:57 *** bryjen [~bryjen@cpe-75-81-201-131.we.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:07:07 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:29:49 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19805 /trunk/config.lib: -Codechange: disable warnings about unused but set variables when building with asserts disabled 05:34:34 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19806 /trunk/src/saveload/depot_sl.cpp: -Codechange: silence one warning 05:51:24 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-41-7.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:29 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-41-7.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 06:06:20 *** holyduck [~holyduck@ip-34-137-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 06:07:07 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:11:02 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@77.106.153.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:14:41 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:21:36 <peter1138> holiday? where? 06:23:44 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:24:03 <Forked> Norway 06:29:29 <planetmaker> SmatZ seems to be sleepless ;-) 06:29:38 <planetmaker> or became a really early bird ;-) 06:29:43 <planetmaker> good morning folks 06:30:07 <SmatZ> hello planetmaker :) 06:30:43 <planetmaker> hello SmatZ :-) 06:35:31 <Mazur> "I once had a girl, or should I say, she once had me." 06:36:27 <planetmaker> "and when looked around I noticed there wasn't a chair" 06:36:47 <Mazur> Close. 06:36:53 <planetmaker> :-) 06:37:00 <Mazur> ;-) 06:37:12 <planetmaker> any case it's nice Norwegian wood ;-) 06:37:49 <Mazur> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkcRZSdc8us 06:41:04 <planetmaker> damn you. I now have to sing this song over and over. 06:41:26 <Mazur> Isn't it good, Norwegian wood? 06:41:44 <planetmaker> :-P 06:42:21 <Mazur> I know the feeling though, I saw a cartoon featuring "Moonlight Bay", couldn't get rid of it for a whole fscking week. 06:42:42 <Mazur> And hte lyrics in my head kept getting worse. 06:42:46 <Mazur> :-( 06:43:31 <planetmaker> he 06:44:16 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=38524&start=100 <-- doesn't someone feel like making a small nice eye candy newgrf out of that? 06:46:11 <Mazur> I want to live on one of those. 06:46:35 <planetmaker> completely different topic: does it make sense to combine game creation from height map and from random map into one window? 06:47:01 <planetmaker> Mazur: maybe not live, but I wouldn't mind to do a world tour on one of those :-) 06:47:16 <planetmaker> or at least a summer sail for a few weeks 06:47:27 <Mazur> s/weeks/months/ 06:47:31 <planetmaker> like up the Norwegian coast ;-) 06:47:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 06:47:40 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 06:52:50 <Mazur> From Spitzbergen coast hopping to Jo'burg, and then across and up North again, or continent circling and now and again crossing an ocean. 06:53:06 <planetmaker> sound quite alrigt 06:53:07 <planetmaker> *alright 06:54:19 <Mazur> Though we might skip Somalia, I'm thinking. 06:54:58 * Mazur saw the South Park episode where Cartman goes there to become a pirate. 06:55:05 <planetmaker> :-) Somalia might be bad 06:55:56 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:03:16 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:03:31 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:11:27 *** Weeknie1 [~Maarten_S@cp1042784-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 07:13:25 *** r0b0tb0y is now known as roboboy 07:14:11 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 07:23:14 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:23:43 *** Weeknie1 [~Maarten_S@cp1042784-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:26:03 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-2-0-cust478.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:36:36 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:50:17 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:52:17 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:01:57 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-129-148.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:04:57 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-129-148.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:10:25 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 08:15:01 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d990.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:20:31 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 08:21:48 <andythenorth> morning 08:22:02 <andythenorth> wonder if this has any relevance for OTTD? http://browsersize.googlelabs.com/ 08:22:12 <andythenorth> probably not :) 08:24:44 <SmatZ> andythenorth: it doesn't seem to work at all 08:24:52 <SmatZ> pressing the "GO" button does nothing 08:25:33 <andythenorth> works for me? 08:26:40 <SmatZ> hmm works in chromium, not in FF 08:27:22 <SmatZ> it doesn't apply to openttd.org much, the webpage is centered 08:27:57 <Rubidium> and we're not actively asking for donations at the moment 08:28:17 * Rubidium can't even see the whole 90% area 08:28:44 <Mazur> Works for me, in FF. 08:28:51 <Mazur> Linux. 08:29:18 <SmatZ> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; cs-CZ; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100419 Gentoo Firefox/3.6.3 08:30:24 <SmatZ> ok, works when I disable AdBlock 08:31:08 * andythenorth wonders if it's a useful indicator of screen resolution, or the actual browser window size 08:32:17 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E512.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:32:42 <planetmaker> interesting page 08:32:55 * planetmaker sees something between 80% and 70% 08:33:07 <planetmaker> limited by screen height 08:33:12 <Rubidium> andythenorth: I know several people where screen resolution is quite different to the window size 08:33:29 <andythenorth> yup 08:33:54 <planetmaker> Rubidium: according to that page it's the browser window size. Not the screen size 08:33:58 <andythenorth> wondered if google are measuring browser size. but think they'd need js to do that accurately 08:34:05 <planetmaker> And yes, I'm one of those people you mention 08:34:09 <Mazur> It's an indicator of generally used windowproportoions. 08:34:12 <andythenorth> so any non-js browsers will be left out. 08:34:22 <andythenorth> but I guess google are better at stats than me :o 08:34:34 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D61B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:35:35 <Mazur> You never know. 08:36:05 <Rubidium> you've got lies, damn lies and statistics 08:41:20 <Mazur> Most people seem to get their understanding of statistics presentation from "How to lie with statistics.", anyway. 08:42:32 <planetmaker> but even if you (think you) know what you do, it has quite some pitfalls. 08:42:32 <Mazur> "Only, they don't get the point of hte book. 08:42:42 <Mazur> Yep. 08:43:48 <Mazur> At every step of the way from data-gathering to presentation. 08:45:48 *** Weeknie 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<CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19808 /trunk/src/network/network_server.cpp: -Codechange: NetworkCalculateLag returned an uint, so keep it that way 09:04:21 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:04:52 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19809 /trunk/src/network/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: make some unnamed network related enums/defines static const variables 09:09:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@88.130.166.179] has joined #openttd 09:09:34 <Terkhen> good morning 09:09:44 <planetmaker> moin Terkhen 09:11:39 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19810 /trunk/src/pathfinder/yapf/yapf_costcache.hpp: -Fix: [YAPF] Improperly formatted (global) constant 09:13:04 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19811 /trunk/src/strgen/strgen.cpp: -Codechange: make the last bits from table/strings.h use static consts too instead of an unnamed enum 09:14:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.178.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:25:37 *** last_evolution 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[~fonsinche@brln-4dbc3125.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:11:06 <Belugas> hello 13:16:26 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:16:45 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 13:19:17 <Alberth> hello 13:32:38 *** woldemar [~maru@213.178.34.57] has quit [Quit: ã§ãã¯æ»çšœãããªãã§ããç§ã¯æ¬æ°ã§ãã] 13:38:17 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:38:46 <andythenorth> planetmaker...if you were looking for easy-to-ship incremental improvements, the tabs with yellow buttons looks fine in this layout: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=876916#p876916 13:39:04 <andythenorth> yellow buttons sucked in my layout, but that's not what is being coded right now :) 13:39:16 <planetmaker> I think the buttons are sorted :-) 13:39:38 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3826?project=1&order=id&sort=desc 13:39:49 <planetmaker> it's all the same colour, but it works smoothly 13:40:18 <planetmaker> and yes, that there is the reduced version. For easy trunk integration :-) 13:42:51 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:43:08 <planetmaker> I currently have fun with integrating the height map into the view. 13:43:16 <planetmaker> And this time it's not an optical problem ;-) 13:44:31 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:49:37 * planetmaker ponders how a call of ShowSaveLoadDialogue could cause something like Message: Assertion failed at line 806 of /Users/ingo/ottd/gui/src/window_gui.h: nwid != NULL 13:50:46 <planetmaker> hm... no... another thing is that 13:51:24 <Rubidium> non-existing widget? 13:52:54 <Alberth> wrong widget type? 13:53:01 <planetmaker> that's my guess, too. Though I haven't found any non-existing one so far. Which by definition is difficult ;-) 13:53:11 <planetmaker> wrong widget type... maybe. 13:53:22 <planetmaker> I added yet another NWID_SELECTION ;-) 13:53:24 <Alberth> if the widget does not exist, you get NULL 13:54:07 <planetmaker> and if modes get switched between GNLW_GENERATE and GNLW_HIGHTMAP the displayed widgets change 13:54:17 <Alberth> if you ask for a widget-class X at position y, and a widget ptr at y exists, but it is not a (subclass of) X, you get an assert 13:54:33 <Alberth> s/position/index/ 13:55:08 <planetmaker> that sounds then likely to be the case 13:55:37 <planetmaker> Maybe I just should keep all height map widgets present, but disabled... 13:55:38 <Alberth> the idea is that you as author know what widget class to expect at each index :) 13:55:39 <planetmaker> easier 13:55:52 <planetmaker> and not necessarily wors 13:55:54 <planetmaker> *worse 13:56:08 <Alberth> it is ok to have NULL values in the array 13:56:54 <planetmaker> yeah, but no to access them ;-) 13:57:48 <planetmaker> what's the general feel about integrating the heightmap into the new game dialogue? 13:59:38 <planetmaker> http://img.openttdcoop.org/images/bildscpdp.png <-- similar to that. 13:59:46 <planetmaker> obviously not quite functional 14:00:06 *** wilma [5ec7dc02@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:01:02 *** wilma [5ec7dc02@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 14:01:08 <Alberth> I have not yet formed an opinion on what you are doing 14:01:29 <Alberth> (despite hi-jacking my thread :) ) 14:02:42 <planetmaker> he, I don't mean to hijack your thread. Actually I even started my own ;-) 14:03:48 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:03:53 <planetmaker> besides, I think that the re-design of the NewGRF GUI can nearly be independent of what I try to achieve here. 14:04:05 *** orudge_ [~orudge@75-149-149-225-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #openttd 14:04:12 <planetmaker> Once done, it might later be moderately easily be moved to the tab version 14:05:37 <Ammler> planetmaker: something strange on your tab gui 14:05:58 <Ammler> the tab buttons should be on the same level as the boarder 14:06:19 <planetmaker> but I hope you don't mind this "hijack" of the GUI topic :-) (though I'd object to the word 'hijack' ;-) - I rather picked it up, too :-) ) 14:06:34 <planetmaker> Ammler: ? 14:08:47 <Ammler> Alberth: don't you like the proposal of andy? 14:09:02 <Ammler> IMO, that isn't OT in your thread 14:10:22 <Alberth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=876391#p876391 is something else than just newgrf gui imho 14:11:05 <Ammler> but it is newgrf gui too :-) 14:11:41 <Alberth> yes, that's how it got in that thread 14:11:53 <Ammler> don't you think, those should be identical? 14:13:10 <andythenorth> I started out with newgrf gui, then that led to thinking about overall 'flow' of game setup :) 14:13:32 <Alberth> Eventually, it would be good I think. However, all setup windows are taken/modified, so I have yet to see what the result is, and/or whether it is feasible 14:14:42 <peter1138> Reconfig done. Please re-execute make. 14:14:48 <peter1138> shouldn't it then... quit? 14:15:09 <Alberth> you shoul type 'make reconfigure ; make' :) 14:22:28 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:53 *** heffer [~felix@HSI-KBW-095-208-017-052.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 14:39:32 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 14:46:39 *** holyduck [~holyduck@ip-34-137-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:47:07 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-34-137-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 14:54:11 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:58:42 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-2-0-cust478.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:02:51 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc3125.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:14:26 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:16:51 *** nighthawk_c_m [~nighthawk@pD9506034.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:17:02 <nighthawk_c_m> evening o/ 15:18:15 <Alberth> oi 15:24:14 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-36f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 15:34:31 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:35:01 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35:01 *** Jolteon [~Jolt@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:46:14 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 15:47:07 *** Jolteon [~Jolt@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 15:54:47 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 16:01:28 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19818 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#3784](r16004): kicking clients by IP didn't work 16:04:00 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-171-2.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 16:07:09 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:10:13 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-54-207.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:12:28 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-175-198.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:12:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:16:44 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 16:23:12 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Partir, c'est mourir un peu.] 16:24:34 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:28:38 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:30:34 *** Jolteon [~Jolt@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:30:34 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:45 *** heffer [~felix@HSI-KBW-095-208-017-052.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 16:51:31 *** heffer [~felix@HSI-KBW-095-208-017-052.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 17:01:03 *** heffer [~felix@HSI-KBW-095-208-017-052.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 17:24:18 *** ptr_ [~peter@dhcp-161-111.dsv.su.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19819 /trunk/src/lang/ (12 files): (log message trimmed) 17:45:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: croatian - 17 changes by VoyagerOne 17:45:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: esperanto - 1 changes by kristjan 17:45:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: finnish - 13 changes by jpx_ 17:45:59 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: french - 23 changes by glx 17:45:59 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: hungarian - 22 changes by IPG 17:47:38 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:49:55 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50:21 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:54:30 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 17:55:40 *** Jolteon [~Jolt@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 18:05:14 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 18:11:17 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C51B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:00 <andythenorth> evening 18:15:42 <Belugas> ho he 18:16:50 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E6A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:18:34 *** elmz [~elmz@222.80-202-29.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:30:47 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF838C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:48 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:57 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-175-198.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:55 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:39:18 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-53-2.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:39:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:49:10 <__ln__> http://пÑезОЎеМÑ.ÑÑ/ 18:49:57 <Eoin> We did not find any results for: xn-- 12-4ha1c8wbabbbafl755fnsav7fja8536leza78d xn--idaa750vgqa. Please try a new query above. 18:51:11 <glx> works for me 18:51:24 <__ln__> Eoin: you are using the wrong character set then. 18:51:43 <glx> http://xn--d1abbgf6aiiy.xn--p1ai/ <-- that's it 18:52:41 <__ln__> and because Eoin's link is about two times longer, i'm assuming he sees my utf-8 link as iso-8859-x. 18:53:29 <Eoin> err 18:53:38 <Eoin> how do you change mIRC encoding 18:54:21 <glx> view|font 18:54:38 <Eoin> UTF-8 : Default 18:54:55 <Eoin> changed it to display and encode 18:55:01 <glx> change to "display and encode" yes 18:55:38 <glx> http://пÑезОЎеМÑ.ÑÑ/ <-- now retry 18:55:49 <Eoin> http://xn--d1abbgf6aiiy.xn--p1ai/ 18:55:57 <Eoin> :D 18:56:11 <glx> welcome in utf8 world :) 18:56:39 <Eoin> heh 18:59:45 <Eddi|zuHause> konversation horribly fails on that url... 19:00:08 <Eddi|zuHause> ... both of them... 19:00:45 <andythenorth> what to do what to do.... 19:04:14 <Eoin> what else can i do with utf-8 19:04:15 <Eoin> ⬠19:04:19 <Eoin> make euro signs! 19:08:55 <Rubidium> â¢â¡žâ¢žâ ¢â¡â¡â¢â¡â¢â¡±â¢žâ¡±â¢žâ£â ⢞â¢â¢žâ¢žâ£â¢žâ£â¢žâ£â¢žâ¡±â ⢰â â¡â£«â °â£â¢žâ¢žâ ⢰â â¡â¡¯â¡â¢¹â â â¢â °â¡ 19:08:58 <Zuu> If you make enough of them, then you can maybe save the euro. :-p 19:13:45 <Eoin> lol 19:15:53 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 19:15:54 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 19:18:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: you ripped that off frosch123's signature 19:18:26 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, I did 19:18:28 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-53-2.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:18:53 <Rubidium> does ã trigger you know whom's highlight thingy? 19:20:37 <welshdragon> http://i.imgur.com/EFOH6.jpg 19:20:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i have my doubts ;) 19:20:40 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-55-215.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:20:43 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:20:46 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: ooold... 19:20:59 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: your face is old 19:21:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, indeed i look older than i am. 19:27:00 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:32:14 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-54-214.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:33:51 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:43:43 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-41-7.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:48:38 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-41-7.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:48:43 <OwenS> glx: Hmm, that IDN doesn't seem to have any dots in it when expanded to Punycode? :s 19:49:02 <OwenS> OOh, it does, i'm blind :p 19:49:11 <OwenS> The xn-- in the middle should have been a great big clue :p 19:49:48 <OwenS> (Also, apparently ".xn--p1ai" is not in Chromium's safe for IDN registry :P) 19:50:58 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E6A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:51:00 <Ammler> he, didn't know, there are already top level domains with it 19:59:15 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B1A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:01:22 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75189.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:42 <OwenS> Ammler: Only a couple of weeks old 20:03:56 *** Devedse [~Devedse@ip5650899e.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 20:03:57 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:04:57 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B777A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm having a bad feeling about the health of my computer... 20:05:24 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 20:06:57 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 20:07:08 <nighthawk_c_m> Why Eddi? 20:08:15 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 20:09:19 <Eddi|zuHause> because it's been degrading ever since i got it, and i'm starting to loose the race... 20:09:26 <__ln__> *lose 20:09:33 <Eddi|zuHause> whatever 20:09:37 <Rubidium> what? The computer's degrading faster than you're degrading? 20:09:38 <nighthawk_c_m> How old is it? 20:09:47 <Rubidium> isn't that somehow a good sign? 20:10:09 <nighthawk_c_m> I agree with Rubidium. 20:10:18 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:10:39 <nighthawk_c_m> A good sign for you, a bad one for your wallet. 20:10:49 <Eddi|zuHause> it's old, but not as old as i'd like it to be 20:11:20 <Eddi|zuHause> most other computers i had were unusably outdated by the time they broke 20:11:39 <nighthawk_c_m> define old ina a timescale of years 20:12:01 <Eddi|zuHause> athlon xp 3000+ old 20:12:15 <Eddi|zuHause> single core, 32 bit 20:12:16 <nighthawk_c_m> dual or single core? 20:12:30 <nighthawk_c_m> ever cleaned the fans and heatpipes off the dust? 20:13:09 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 20:13:51 <nighthawk_c_m> Hmm.. well - the more recenta pc is the faster it will die .... 20:14:04 <nighthawk_c_m> The times hardware lastet really long are long gone - sadly 20:14:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i could never isolate the problem, i could only determine that downclocking helps 20:14:24 <Eddi|zuHause> but i'm now at the point where i can't downclock anymore 20:15:01 <nighthawk_c_m> Hmmm.. well maybe a new CPU is enough, could be that your old cpu just slowly dies - any clue on its temperature? 20:15:26 <Eddi|zuHause> currently 56°C 20:15:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't seen it go beyond 70°C 20:16:21 <nighthawk_c_m> And under load? Oh well 70° is like still ok - thats pretty normal unless you use a extremly expensiv fan or water cooling 20:16:33 <Rubidium> heat problems... too much cooling paste? 20:17:03 <Eddi|zuHause> if it's a heat problem, it's likely not the CPU 20:17:33 <Eddi|zuHause> the fan was not the cheapest, the rest of the components neither, as far as i can determine 20:17:54 <nighthawk_c_m> I'd say try to get the same CPU type, or a type that fits your slot, something not overly expensive 20:18:12 <nighthawk_c_m> If the rest still works exchanging the CPU is the cheapest way. 20:18:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i got it fairly cheap off ebay back then, i'd say is was custom built and used for about a year... was definitely worth its money 20:18:41 <Eddi|zuHause> nighthawk_c_m: but if it doesn't i wasted valuable money on a useless CPU 20:19:36 <nighthawk_c_m> Thats why I said a cheap cpu - or you solve the problem by a completely new PC 20:19:45 <nighthawk_c_m> by buing a completely new PC 20:20:52 <__ln__> nighthawk_c_m: how many dualcore athlon xps were there? 20:21:24 * andythenorth is braindead tired and finds drawing some ship holds is suitable mindless 20:21:29 <Eddi|zuHause> nighthawk_c_m: yes, but my current budget doesn't have >500⬠spare 20:21:30 <nighthawk_c_m> I am just astonished that downgrading the CPU helps you, that pretty much means that the CPU seems to be damaged, or decaying - and __ln__ I have no idea 20:22:02 <__ln__> nighthawk_c_m: zero 20:23:27 <__ln__> it can be hard to find a axp 3000+ replacement, especially if it's socket a. 20:23:35 <nighthawk_c_m> Wow, that would be a expensive CPU - why did you ask me then __ln__? I only deal with hardware when I decide i have money for a upgrade or to assemble myself a new machine. 20:32:30 *** Devedse [~Devedse@ip5650899e.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 20:32:45 *** Devedse [~Devedse@ip5650899e.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 20:37:32 <nighthawk_c_m> Is there a way to draw a straight line in GIMP? 20:38:01 <andythenorth> pencil? 1 pixel at a time....probably not a helpful answer :P 20:38:02 <__ln__> Press shift or ctrl or something. 20:38:15 *** Devedse [~Devedse@ip5650899e.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 20:38:31 *** Devedse [~Devedse@ip5650899e.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 20:38:41 <Zuu> Yep 20:38:52 <nighthawk_c_m> Shift does the job, many thanks 20:38:53 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B1A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:03 <Zuu> One of them make the line straight, and the other make it go in fixed directions. 20:39:28 <Zuu> Holding ctrl while moving stuff, make you move in just one direction. 20:43:15 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:46:16 <Zuu> I find their hotkeys for the tools a bit strange. Not even on qwerty which you would think they have designed the hotkeys for, the most commonly used tools are on a single hand. 20:46:39 <Zuu> When I say common, I mean things like the picker and the pen. 20:46:44 <Zuu> and the bucket. 20:47:48 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:47:54 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D048.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:49:11 <Zuu> IMHO a program like the gimp, where you would extensively use one hand for the pen/mouse/trackball/pad, you would expect them to workout hotkeys where you do not need to move your other hand between the two sides of the keyboard. 20:49:41 <Eddi|zuHause> it's open source, go fix it ;) 20:50:29 <Zuu> he, I guess they even have configurable hotkeys, just that I'm to lazy to go and figure out a good setup. 20:50:44 <glx> everything is configurable IIRC 20:51:59 <Eddi|zuHause> ... but i was talking about the default configuration 20:52:14 <Eddi|zuHause> or preset profiles, or something 20:56:13 *** Devedse [~Devedse@ip5650899e.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 20:56:27 *** Devedse [~Devedse@ip5650899e.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 20:58:54 <andythenorth> is the paint bucket 'g'? 20:59:03 <andythenorth> and the picker 'i' 20:59:05 <andythenorth> ? 21:00:29 <Zuu> My gimp says that the picker is 'o' and the bucket is shift+b 21:05:26 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... NASA is using BOFH excuses to explain Voyager 2 problems... "it must be cosmic rays" :p 21:06:20 <__ln__> Is the Voyager thing reported by some reliable source? 21:06:55 <Eddi|zuHause> http://bazonline.ch/wissen/technik/Voyager-2-sendet-raetselhafte-Signale/story/30336675 21:08:55 <Eddi|zuHause> "Wissenschaftler Ed Stone vom California Institute of Technology in Pasadena glaubt [...], das Problem habe wohl mit dem Speicher der Sonde zu tun. Kosmische Partikel könnten dazu fÃŒhren, dass sich eines der Bits verÀndere oder ganz ausfalle." 21:09:48 <__ln__> Did it have power all these years? 21:10:01 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-36f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:10:10 <Eddi|zuHause> ... apparently... 21:10:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know how these early probes are constructed 21:11:52 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12:08 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF838C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:14:45 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it has some methods of recharging/energy generation onboard? 21:15:51 <andythenorth> nuclear power source 21:16:24 <__ln__> yes, i think it has some evil nucular battery with nasty electrons 21:16:41 <SmatZ> hmmm Mrs.Panpaporn Wongworkakul offers me 30% of $ 19,500,000.00 from some bank transfer 21:16:45 <SmatZ> sounds legit 21:21:01 <andythenorth> bed time 21:21:05 <SmatZ> nn andythenorth 21:21:06 <andythenorth> good night 21:22:48 *** Devedse [~Devedse@ip5650899e.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:02 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: go for it ;) 21:24:17 <SmatZ> :) 21:27:29 *** Devedse [~Devedse@ip5650899e.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 21:28:29 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:29:32 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: oeh, you get those too? You got to love those :) 21:29:58 <nighthawk_c_m> The Voyager Series has nuclear batteries, and they last longer then ectually calculated/exspected, they announced that around 2000 I think because the Voyagers are still transmitting 21:29:58 <TrueBrain> I always immediatly reply 21:30:23 <SmatZ> :) 21:30:30 <nighthawk_c_m> Hehe, I always recieve mails from my African lawyer 21:30:42 <nighthawk_c_m> Who found someone with a similar alst anme :-P 21:31:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 21:31:12 <Eddi|zuHause> english only. :p 21:31:19 <TrueBrain> anime? 21:32:15 <nighthawk_c_m> name - typing and watching TV at the same time leads to interesting typos 21:35:27 <TrueBrain> really? :) 21:35:28 <TrueBrain> hehe 21:35:30 <TrueBrain> good night all :) 21:35:35 <SmatZ> good night, TrueBrain 21:36:30 <nighthawk_c_m> Town growth mechanisms are weird - it has space, 5 well connected stations - but the population actually decreases over time a bit. 21:36:52 <nighthawk_c_m> Whonder how long it takes untill it rises again. 21:37:35 <Eddi|zuHause> nighthawk_c_m: cities which are exceptionally huge grow slower than they decay 21:37:42 <Eddi|zuHause> especially if some roads are blocked 21:37:58 <nighthawk_c_m> Around 700 inhabitants ? 21:38:34 <Eddi|zuHause> oh... in that case, population for houses in construction is not included 21:38:55 <Eddi|zuHause> so if a house is replaced by a potentially bigger house, the population decreases first 21:40:28 <Eddi|zuHause> if you have only a handful of houses, this effect can be fairly significant, but it evens out over larger cities 21:40:52 <nighthawk_c_m> Ah ok 21:42:00 <Eddi|zuHause> population can vary significantly between house sets, so you can have weird effects when mixing them 21:42:38 *** orudge_ [~orudge@75-149-149-225-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:44:06 <SmatZ> Volte PravÃœ Blok - stranu za snadnou a rychlou ODVOLATELNOST politiků a státnÃch úÅednÃků PÅÃMO OBÄANY, za NÃZKà danÄ, VYROVNANà rozpoÄet, MINIMALIZACI byrokracie, SPRAVEDLIVOU a NEZKORUMPOVANOU policii a justici, REFERENDA a PÅÃMOU demokracii WWW.CIBULKA.NET, kandidujÃcà s nejlepÅ¡Ãm protikriminálnÃm programem PÅÃMà demokracie a hlubokého národnÃho, duchovnÃho a mravnÃho obrozenà VY NEVÄÅÃTE POLITIKÅ®M A JEJICH 21:44:07 <SmatZ> NOVINÃÅÅ®M? NO KONEÄNÄ! VÄÅME SAMI SOBÄ!!! - ale i s mnoha dalÅ¡Ãmi DÅ®VODY, proÄ bychom mÄli jÃt tentokrát VÅ ICHNI K VOLBÃM, ale - pokud nechceme bÃœt ZNOVU obelháni, podvedeni a okradeni - NEVOLIT ÅœÃDNOU PARLAMENTNà TUNEL - STRANU vládnoucà (post) komunistické RUSKO - ÄESKà totalitnà FÃZLOKRACIE a jejich likvidaÄnà protinárodnà politiku ÄÃM HÅ®ÅE, TÃM LÃPE!!! - jenÅŸ şádá o volebnà podporu VÅ ECHNY ÄESKà 21:44:09 <SmatZ> OBÄANY a daÅové poplatnÃky, kteÅà chtÄjà zmÄnit dneÅ¡nà kriminálnà pomÄry, jejichÅŸ jsme vÅ¡ichni obÄtÃ, v jejich pravÃœ opak! V BOJI MEZI DOBREM A ZLEM, PRAVDOU A LÅœÃ, NELZE BÃT NEUTRÃLNà A PÅESTO ZÅ®STAT SLUÅ NÃ!!! Proto dÄkujeme za VaÅ¡i podporu!!! NevÄÅÃte-li na pokoru u popravÄà káry, zdá-li se vám naÅ¡e kandidátka málo dokonalá nebo postrádáte-li na nà zástupce své obce nebo mÄsta a pÅitom MÃTE ODVAHU v 21:44:10 <SmatZ> této válce Lidà Dobra s vládnoucÃmi Lidmi Zla povstat z jimi naordinovaného obÄanského bezvÄdomÃ, kterÃœm nás niÄà a dneÅ¡nà DEMOKRATURU, SKRYTOU TOTALITU a OTROKÃÅSTVà VYÅ Å ÃHO ÅÃDU zásadnÃm způsobem zmÄnit, KANDIDUJTE ZA NÃS!!! Kontakt: Volte PravÃœ Blok www.cibulka.net, PO BOX 229, 11121 Praha 21:44:12 <SmatZ> oops 21:44:39 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] by DorpsGek 21:44:39 *** SmatZ was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [flood] 21:46:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it's funny that the "oops" line triggered the flood ban :p 21:46:30 <Eddi|zuHause> as it was the fifth :p 21:46:34 <nighthawk_c_m> Interesting address at the end - and yes, the ooops got him killed - poor guy :-) 21:47:23 *** mode/#openttd [-b smatz!*@*] by DorpsGek 21:47:23 <Eddi|zuHause> serves him right for not being identified with the bot :p 21:48:04 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] by DorpsGek 21:49:06 *** SmatZ_ [~smatz@a40-prg1-22-216.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 21:49:09 <SmatZ_> anyway 21:49:30 <SmatZ_> that is the longest name of official political party we have 21:49:45 *** luddek [~ludde@c-0d2272d5.610-106-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 21:49:58 <planetmaker> :-D those who must not be named? ;-) 21:50:28 <PeterT> * DorpsGek removes ban on *!~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de <-- SmatZ_ 21:50:30 <SmatZ_> good evening Mr. ludde 21:50:31 <Eddi|zuHause> and they have to fit that on the voting sheet? :p 21:50:41 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 21:50:44 <SmatZ> :) 21:50:49 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ_: wrong ludde 21:50:56 *** SmatZ_ [~smatz@a40-prg1-22-216.static.adsl.vol.cz] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 21:50:59 <SmatZ> oh :( 21:51:23 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently, there are at least two luddes in sweden... 21:51:31 <SmatZ> hehe :) 21:52:08 <SmatZ> the leader of that party isn't really "mentally healthy", as you can see from his webpage :-p 21:52:46 <SmatZ> I am looking for the voting sheet in A3 format :) 21:53:17 <Eddi|zuHause> since when is that a requirement for being politician? 21:53:40 <SmatZ> hehe :) 21:53:55 <Eddi|zuHause> we do have sheets that size for some elections 21:54:25 <Eddi|zuHause> although that usually means they just use a larger font 21:55:23 <SmatZ> :) 21:55:30 <SmatZ> quite waste of paper 21:55:43 <SmatZ> since only ~60%-70% of people really vote 21:56:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think they actually produce that many voting sheets 21:56:24 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:56:42 <planetmaker> I'd bet they don't make sheets for 100% either :-) 21:56:49 <Eddi|zuHause> they probably take the last number, and calculate for a margin of error 21:57:01 <SmatZ> all people get voting sheets in mail 21:57:07 <planetmaker> oh :-) 21:57:27 <planetmaker> we only get a small letter which will allow us to order it 21:57:32 <Eddi|zuHause> over here they only send voting notifications 21:57:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the actual sheets you get at the voting booth 21:57:59 <SmatZ> that's better :) 21:58:00 <planetmaker> usually yes ^ 21:58:36 <Eddi|zuHause> at least you don't have to register for voting first, like in the USA, where no general registers exist 21:58:42 <planetmaker> but then my bet is that the paper wasted on ballot sheets is less than wasted on stupid party advertizements 21:59:24 <SmatZ> true :) 21:59:37 *** heffer [~felix@HSI-KBW-095-208-017-052.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 21:59:41 <SmatZ> driving through city makes me crazy 21:59:47 <Eddi|zuHause> ... advertisements are a major foundation of our current economy system, why shouldn't they be in the political system? 22:00:12 <SmatZ> I saw 6 big boards with politics at once today 22:00:19 <planetmaker> only? 22:00:24 <SmatZ> each of them was saying bad words about the others 22:00:26 <SmatZ> hehe :) 22:00:29 <planetmaker> :-) 22:00:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i don't understand why they have to put up posters of the same guy at every lamp post in the city... 22:01:04 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: the point is: it really works. psychologically. 22:01:18 <__ln__> maybe it's time for the city to buy a second lamp post 22:01:33 <planetmaker> what you see often is familiar to you. And what you're familiar with cannot be as bas as something / someone you don#t know and haven't seen before 22:01:36 <Eddi|zuHause> saying bad things about the others in advertisments is illegal in germany 22:02:05 <planetmaker> for everything else you need to really make a rational choice - which is only possible in theory, but not practically 22:02:14 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but what is bad? 22:02:39 <Rubidium> is saying party X wants to increase taxes by 500% bad? 22:03:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: basically it results in not saying anything at all about other brands, if they do "comparisons" they always compare with "a generic product" 22:03:19 <__ln__> Was it Voyager I that is to be V'ger and retrieved by capt S? 22:03:37 <Rubidium> ah, Duracell being X times better than ordinary (1920) batteries 22:03:52 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: i think it was voyager 6? 22:04:07 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: you may actually do comparitive ads in Germany 22:04:08 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: there were so many? 22:04:12 <Eddi|zuHause> don't remember 22:04:14 <planetmaker> But you must not lie in them 22:04:40 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: but it's very restrictive 22:05:13 <planetmaker> but it's perfectly alright to say "blubber lasts longer than blabla" - if you can prove it 22:05:18 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: to the point that it's hardly ever done 22:05:37 <planetmaker> it's only allowed for 5? 10? years or so 22:05:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i remember it being changed fairly recently 22:06:19 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i just stopped watching commercials since then ;) 22:07:34 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 22:07:43 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #openttd [] 22:07:45 * planetmaker has not TV for ~5 years 22:08:09 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:08:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i watch fairly much tv, but the mute key and timeshift are great inventions ;) 22:09:13 <planetmaker> :-) 22:09:20 <planetmaker> very much so, yes 22:09:42 * planetmaker makes external backups of the HDDs of certain people from time to time ;-) 22:10:12 <SmatZ> "Jesus is our Lord. Let us guide by the Holy Spirit and let Jesus be our Lord, www.jezisjepan.cz" 22:10:31 <SmatZ> ^^^ translated second longest party name 22:10:57 <planetmaker> right 22:11:01 <SmatZ> :-p 22:11:11 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: and do they get more than 500 votes? 22:11:15 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:11:47 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: actually, that first party got over 1% in last two elections 22:11:56 <SmatZ> the latter party is new 22:14:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D55D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:04 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:46 <planetmaker> sounds quite a lot for such party name :-P 22:17:04 <SmatZ> true :) 22:19:20 <Eddi|zuHause> do transfer stations in trunk get a cargo rating? if yes, when and why was this changed? 22:19:22 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-34-137-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. stations which get cargo only via "transfer" or "unload all" options, but not via nearby industries 22:20:31 <SmatZ> I think they always got 22:22:02 <SmatZ> (if I remember correctly, even in TTD - it dodn't have the "Transfer" order) 22:22:09 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-34-137-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 22:24:12 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@ip-34-137-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 22:25:18 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF838C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:47 *** nighthawk_c_m [~nighthawk@pD9506034.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:30:13 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-34-137-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:49 *** Devedse [~Devedse@ip5650899e.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 22:34:09 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 22:34:10 <SmatZ> now that leader of cibulka.net propagates sideric pendulum is the only trustworthy source of information... 22:34:59 <Terkhen> good night 22:35:03 <SmatZ> good night, Terkhen 22:36:57 <SmatZ> and wants to replace police by psychotronics 22:37:04 <SmatZ> I didn't know he became really mad 22:46:03 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:46:29 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 22:47:58 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:48:56 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 22:50:25 <SmatZ> hello Nite_Owl 22:50:36 <Nite_Owl> Hello SmatZ 22:58:43 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc3125.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:22 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 23:06:19 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 23:07:43 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:30:17 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 23:35:43 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:35:44 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 23:37:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.166.179] has joined #openttd 23:37:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@88.130.166.179] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:38:41 <Eddi|zuHause> <SmatZ> I think they always got <- i am very certain that somewhere inbetween these cargos did not get rating 23:39:26 <Eddi|zuHause> that was maybe a year ago 23:39:33 <Eddi|zuHause> around the time of cargodest 23:47:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.166.179] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:54:49 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-2-0-cust478.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:58:05 <SmatZ> maybe it was because of cargodest 23:58:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think that cargodest actually changed that part... 23:59:07 <Eddi|zuHause> at least it was described to me as a trunk feature back then 23:59:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't even notice it before it was pointed out 23:59:20 <SmatZ> at least in 0.4.8, cargo waiting for "Transfer" gets rating