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00:28:46  <Eddi|zuHause> damn, after a day and a half, i'm still 130MB short...
00:29:06  <PeterT> short of what, Eddi|zuHause>
00:29:31  <Eddi|zuHause> don't be so curious...
00:29:47  <PeterT> don't be so vague...
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03:31:28  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r19895 /trunk/ ( projects/determineversion.vbs): -Fix [FS#3836]: Git version detection would sometimes mistakenly identify a checkout as modified.
03:31:42  <PeterT> \o/ fonsinchen will be happy
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03:53:33  <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: if you really expected any universal answers, you haven't understood it at all...
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05:25:13  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r19896 /trunk/src/pathfinder/yapf/yapf_costrail.hpp: -Fix [FS#3803] (r18648): [YAPP] Inform the pathfinder as well about the fact that the backside of an one-way path signal can be a safe waiting point.
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06:07:06  <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: i didn't, but everyone being dead had been hinted about many times earlier, so that wasn't even new information.
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07:29:24  <sailo> hey guys. at my university, the udp protocol is being blocked since yesterday. Since then I cannot play openttd online anymore. Does anyone konw a possibility to play it online without udp protocoll? is it possible at all or do you guys maybe know a workaround?
07:30:32  <Goulp> udp is useless for playing
07:30:55  <Goulp> if you know the server ip, use the console connect command
07:32:48  <borgfish> oh that works ? letme try
07:33:21  <Goulp> connect <hostname><#cid>:<port>
07:33:46  <Goulp> with #cid at 255 for spectate, #253 for new company
07:34:13  <borgfish> howto get console
07:34:22  <planetmaker> I doubt it works, if UDP is blocked
07:34:33  <borgfish> i will know it if you point me to console
07:34:42  <Goulp> with the connect console, udp is not used
07:35:22  <Goulp> open with the key left to the 1 on left of your keyboard
07:35:53  <borgfish> version mismatch ! sounds good. i load new version
07:36:30  <planetmaker> you don't need a new, you need the same
07:36:37  <borgfish> yes
07:37:43  <borgfish> uhm 1.01 win7 64 bit version tells me after downloading the opensfx and gfx packs:
07:37:52  <borgfish> no available language packs (invalid versions?)
07:38:59  <Goulp> lng files...
07:39:19  <borgfish> i wiped the folder and reinstalled. lets give it another try
07:40:01  <borgfish> works ! thats cool
07:40:04  <Terkhen> good morning
07:40:37  <b_jonas> .oO(all udp is blocked including dns queries?)
07:40:48  <Goulp> and you can also use the connect command while ingame in order to connect to another network server/game
07:41:13  <borgfish> sailo should give it a try :)
07:41:37  <borgfish> we have 2 firewalls and there is no proper connection tracking for udp so udp incoming is dropped
07:46:23  <borgfish> i tried such things like sockscap but they wouldnt work with my wint as expected
07:54:35  <sailo> i cannot even see online games anymore
07:54:53  <borgfish> yes you cant, the browser is udp
07:54:56  <sailo> there is only one server in the list and it says "SERVER OFFLINE"
07:54:59  <borgfish> if you knew a game you could join
07:55:13  <borgfish> but when you click the server, you see its ip and port adress
07:55:23  <borgfish> guess its the last one you played on
07:55:32  <sailo> yea, that may be
07:55:47  <borgfish> well with that ip and port you can join there
07:56:07  <Goulp> get the online server list from openttd web site
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08:00:03  <Aberro> Good day to you.
08:00:03  <Aberro> I've seen few days ago some kind of automatic source downloader and compiler, which is allow to select trunks and patches. Can someone tell me where I can find it or how it's named?
08:00:28  <sailo> awesome, it works.
08:00:30  <Rubidium> IIRC buildottd
08:00:37  <sailo> thank you so much.
08:00:44  <Rubidium> however, buildottd has been broken for almost 2 years now
08:00:59  <Aberro> It doesn't work?
08:03:35  <Rubidium>
08:03:54  <Aberro> How can I compile fresh ottd build with cargodist patch? This patch have veery lot of dif files and it's tiresome to download and apply all of them.
08:03:55  <Rubidium> or you're talking about something else, but then my assumption you're using Windows is likely wrong
08:04:36  <Aberro> No, this is what I'm asking for, thank you)
08:05:13  <Rubidium> use the precompiled binaries from ? Those are "only" like 10 days old
08:05:50  <b_jonas> the opengfx-0.2.4.tar has a readme.txt in it that describes what tools you need to build the graphics from source, but opengfx-0.2.4-source.tar.gz doesn't have that readme in it. this seems strange.
08:06:00  <b_jonas> strange
08:06:22  <Rubidium> it does, somewhat, in the docs directory (IIRC)
08:06:36  <b_jonas> oh, I see
08:06:47  <b_jonas> tricky
08:06:48  <Aberro> Oh. Thank) Strange why I'm didn't seen it before.
08:06:59  <b_jonas> thanks
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08:10:45  <Aberro> Interesting, how much people working on ottd? Particularly in programming. It's awesome that so much people, which didn't even seen each other, works so organized.
08:12:05  <b_jonas> Aberro: what's more amazing to me is how civil the irc channel is
08:13:22  <theholyduck> Aberro, not used to open source much are we?
08:13:23  <Aberro> Why it must be not?) (sorry my bad english, I'm russian)
08:13:36  <Aberro> In russia?))))
08:13:40  <Aberro> There is no need)
08:16:33  <Aberro> But, I'm using open source sometimes. I've install calculate linux on my home pc as second OS.
08:18:33  <peter1138> organised? Hehe
08:18:51  <Aberro> It's interesting because I'm beginner programmer and interest how such work can be organized.
08:18:53  <Rubidium> peter1138: perceived organisation :)
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08:21:13  <b_jonas> funny, when the first AI opponent (blue) went bankrupt, the second AI changed color from green to blue
08:21:14  <valhallasw> open source is anarchy!
08:21:29  <Rubidium> lies...
08:21:41  <b_jonas> now I wonder if I can quickly use the airport spaces of the first AI
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08:21:55  <valhallasw> just with some benevolent dictators :p
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08:22:50  <Aberro> Open source is philosophy.
08:22:53  <Rubidium> it's more a do-ocracy
08:24:00  <valhallasw> the amount of people do-ing is quite small compared to the amount of people using
08:24:02  <Aberro> It's like an art. People work just as they want and give their work to others.
08:25:48  <b_jonas> not always of course. sometimes they are paid to work and give their work to others.
08:26:00  <b_jonas> probably doesn't apply to openttd
08:26:17  <Aberro> Like in art)
08:27:17  <Aberro> If people like it, they may pay for it and this way to help to make it better.
08:28:53  <Aberro> If I'll make grammar mistakes, tell me about it) I'll try not to do it)
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08:29:41  <planetmaker> you do fine
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08:49:16  <b_jonas> wow, this convert rail tool is great
08:49:36  <b_jonas> and it lets you convert to electric even if the square is occupied by a train
08:50:20  <b_jonas> now comes the hard part, finding the one square I somehow didn't convert
08:50:35  <Aberro> By the way, how about google wave? What developers think about it?
08:56:59  <ccfreak2k> I had completely forgotten about it.
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09:04:00  <planetmaker> b_jonas, just convert the whole map in zoomed-out mode
09:07:28  <Rubidium> Aberro: you mean, whether I want possibly confidential information sent to Google so they can profile me?
09:08:02  <__ln__> who wouldn't want that
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09:13:53  <Aberro> Who register with real name?))
09:14:21  <__ln__> Giving or not giving your real name is irrelevant.
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09:15:57  <Aberro> There is another confidential information in open source project?
09:17:46  <Aberro> Is there, i mean...
09:18:13  <Rubidium> yes, my password is confidential
09:19:08  <peter1138> what is google wave?
09:19:13  <peter1138> and why would i want to use it?
09:19:46  <Aberro> Did google want your password? Where?
09:20:30  <peter1138>
09:20:33  <peter1138> ^ same applies to google :p
09:20:42  <planetmaker> question: why would one want to use it, if the project itself has its own infrastructure - perfectly taylored to its needs?
09:20:45  <Aberro> I think it may be useful to organize work on project... Just want to hear your opinion.
09:22:38  <Rubidium> why migrate to something new when the current method works very well?
09:23:00  <planetmaker> more so: out-sourcing it to servers which are not under your control
09:23:07  <Rubidium> and has been for half a decade
09:23:54  <Aberro> I see.
09:24:30  <Rubidium> (and I dislike Google's terms of service)
09:25:03  <Aberro> Why?
09:26:55  <planetmaker> read them
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09:28:43  <Aberro> Can you tell me your opinion?)
09:29:20  <Rubidium> they can change them and you accept them by using their services. On its own not that bad, but if you intend to use e.g. gmail/gwave that would (likely) be your only e-mail service. Thus, you let them send the message with the change to you and before you *can* read it, you have accepted it. In other words, if they change it to "we may disclose everything to everyone", you're seriously screwed.
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09:31:22  <Aberro> It's paranoid a bit.
09:31:53  <Aberro> But, yes, if you have own servers, wave isn't so good.
09:35:07  <__ln__> Does someone actually use wave for anything
09:36:33  <dih> hello ladies
09:38:51  <Aberro> Yes. Lot of people use it.
09:39:13  <__ln__> Name one.
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09:59:25  <OwenS> Rubidium: It would be unenforcible if they did that. They must give reasonable notice of any changes under law.
10:01:22  <__ln__> But if they disclosed everything to everyone, the damage would probably be caused whether it was legal or not.
10:05:50  <Aberro> I don't know any, just because it's new service. But there is already many people registered there, you can ask they. I think it can be used as advanced forum for developers.
10:05:54  <b_jonas> so openttd has diagonal tracks under bridges, but no diagonal bridges, diagonal road-track level crossings, or diagonal tunnels right?
10:06:52  <Aberro> This big bad daddy google)) He want to enslave whole world)
10:07:36  <__ln__> Aberro: Wave was new last year, now it's 'old', but nobody's talking about it. (Except you.)
10:11:53  <Aberro> Nobody? So why I'm see a lot of news about it everywhere? In habrahabr each tenth post about it, posted many articles about it and everyone extol it, even when admit it's shortcomings.
10:13:11  <__ln__> Never heard of habrahabr nor
10:14:02  <Noldo> big in russia
10:14:52  <Aberro> It's russian resources. Habrahabr is bloging service about IT. is news site about hacking and internet security.
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10:15:31  <__ln__> horosho
10:15:45  <Aberro> So, is it only in russia talking about wave?
10:16:07  <Aberro> It is interest.
10:17:01  <Aberro> __ln__,oh, yes, bears, vodka, communism, preved and so on...
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10:17:57  <Rubidium> OwenS: they already did it when they do, so the bad thing already happened
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10:18:30  <__ln__> I follow slashdot and other things quite regularly, and I don't remember seeing nothing about Wave in the past 6 months.
10:22:07  <b_jonas> why are there no two-way path signals?
10:22:40  <Rubidium> because those are stupid/pointless
10:22:52  <b_jonas> are they?
10:23:18  <b_jonas> hmm
10:23:24  <b_jonas> maybe they are
10:23:25  <Rubidium> it's a "safe waiting position". It being safe at both sides means a train from both sides can go to that signal
10:23:41  <Rubidium> or in other words: deadlock
10:23:51  <b_jonas> I think I'll have to experiment a bit because I don't quite understand pbs
10:24:29  <Aberro> Damn, I'm now thinking in english))
10:24:38  <Aberro> Excuse me, but I must back to work.
10:29:25  <b_jonas> If I have a simple pbs terminus with two tracks out of it, when the train enters it and reserves the path to the end of the rail, when does that path get unreserved?
10:30:01  <b_jonas> does passing the path signal at the terminus exit from the back unreserve it?
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10:36:49  <b_jonas> no, apparently each single track square is reserved immediately when the train leaves it
10:36:59  <b_jonas> how does that even work?
10:37:07  <b_jonas> magic
10:37:36  <b_jonas> now I've built a confusing reverse side double track
10:51:24  * b_jonas wonders how his trains got deadlocked
10:53:57  <planetmaker> putting up signals at non-save waiting locations ;-)
10:54:30  <b_jonas> oh, I see
10:54:32  <b_jonas> I did it wrong
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11:38:14  <peter1138> argh
11:41:41  <andythenorth> peter1138: my feelings exactly
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11:43:15  <Noldo> mine too
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13:08:20  <Belugas> hello
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14:41:49  <_Ben_> Quick question: is there any cheat for ignoring authority?  each time they currently refuse, I'm starting a new game to try things with stations
14:42:08  <_Ben_> tecnique rather than cheat I guess I mean
14:43:45  <Ammler> place 2-3 bus stops with 3 buses and you will have good raiting
14:44:09  <_Ben_> ok, so genuinly work your reputation up in effect
14:44:10  <Ammler> you can rise bad raiting with bulldoze the region and plant trees
14:44:33  <_Ben_> yeah I tend to quickly plant some trees...think it's easier just to start new games (just talking about testing sprites here, not really playing)
14:44:40  <_Ben_> ok, cool...that's all I wanted to know.
14:44:42  <_Ben_> cheers
14:45:24  <Ammler> no cheat to change it manually, afaik
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16:24:57  <zachanima> what
16:25:07  <PeterT> what.
16:25:23  <zachanima> hai
16:25:53  <PeterT> hello
16:31:45  <planetmaker> rrright
16:35:38  <TrueBrain> best conversation EVER
16:39:15  <PeterT> hey planetmaker, TrueBrain
16:39:37  <SpComb> 1978, eh
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16:49:04  <nilsor> Heloo
16:49:11  <nilsor> Im trying to compile openttd for the first time
16:49:19  <PeterT> sure
16:49:22  <PeterT> what OS?
16:49:27  <nilsor> Win7 64
16:49:29  <PeterT> what have you done so far?
16:49:33  <nilsor> visual studio 2008
16:49:42  <nilsor> is dx sdk mandatory?
16:49:46  <PeterT> yep
16:49:47  <nilsor> because the site on the wiki says its not
16:49:48  <glx> yes
16:49:57  <glx> and you need an old version
16:49:58  <PeterT> well, the dll's that it contains are
16:49:59  <nilsor> i removed the directx music parameter
16:50:13  <PeterT> that's also possible, yes
16:50:22  <nilsor> 4>..\src\music\dmusic.cpp(23) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'dmksctrl.h': No such file or directory
16:50:26  <nilsor> Thats the only error i get
16:50:35  <glx> from dx sdk
16:51:11  <nilsor> is there a workaround?
16:51:21  <nilsor> and just get a bunch of files isntead of the complete SDK?
16:52:54  <nilsor> mmh
16:52:59  <planetmaker> why would you?
16:53:05  <planetmaker> just get the SDK...
16:53:13  <nilsor> because i dont need the sDK
16:53:18  <PeterT> yes you do
16:53:21  <nilsor> just for this tiny lib
16:53:58  <planetmaker> if you don't need it, you won't get errors without ;-)
16:54:09  <nilsor> arr
16:54:26  <nilsor> ill just download the header and the particular lib
16:54:43  <nilsor> oh wait i got "dxsdk_oct2005-1.exe"
16:54:45  <nilsor> on my disk
16:54:47  <glx> it's not availlable outside the sdk
16:55:06  <nilsor> kk
16:55:11  <glx> oct2005 should work
16:55:20  <nilsor> thanks
16:55:50  <glx> the latest usable sdk is aug2007
16:57:19  <glx> then MS removed directmusic
17:00:00  <Eddi|zuHause> if they removed it, they must have put in some alternative, did nobody ever research what alternative that is?
17:01:32  <frosch123> which current game plays midi?
17:03:04  <planetmaker> hm, OpenTTD. And... :-)
17:03:09  <planetmaker> *something*
17:03:30  <theholyduck> the "current" game running on my 486 laptop
17:03:35  <theholyduck> monkey island 1!
17:03:43  <theholyduck> the intro sequence in midi is godly
17:04:08  <theholyduck> its much better on a old crappy laptop midi device :P
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17:05:35  <glx> Eddi|zuHause: the alternative is no midi
17:05:50  <Eddi|zuHause> theholyduck: that was waaaaay before direct x
17:06:03  <theholyduck> Eddi|zuHause, sure, but its a game you can run currently!
17:06:57  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway... the monkey island theme is also a genious piece at abusing the pc speaker
17:07:23  <SpComb> abusing?
17:07:25  <SpComb> using!
17:07:54  <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: it's way beyond anything i ever got from the pc speaker in any other situation
17:08:31  <theholyduck> Eddi|zuHause, well it does sound pretty godly for what is making the sound
17:09:15  <Eddi|zuHause> once upon a time i had a win 3.1 midi driver for the pc speaker
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17:41:22  <Elvis_Cooper> good evemning
17:43:22  <Alberth> evenink
17:45:36  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r19897 /trunk/src/lang/ (dutch.txt slovak.txt unfinished/irish.txt):
17:45:36  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:36  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 6 changes by habell
17:45:36  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: irish - 47 changes by tem
17:45:36  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: slovak - 10 changes by keso53
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18:24:17  <nilsor> glx
18:24:30  <nilsor> i installed the DX Sdk meanwhile
18:26:28  <nilsor> nevermind, found my mistake
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18:35:27  <Wolf01> bye, kart racing time!
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18:42:28  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: I've been doing some thinking about the 19th. What if we meet near the stadium of FC Utrecht? It will be 7 minutes longer than the straight route from Leiden, but still 15 minutes shorter than a detour to Amersfoort CS
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18:44:46  <planetmaker> honestly I'm not sure whether planning to the minute matters, if you go on a 4.5 hours car trip ;-)
18:45:24  <__ln__> anyone doing a detour through finland?
18:45:26  <Mazur> It does matter in the way that it'll fail anyway.
18:46:08  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: all fine by me .. a few minutes really doesn't matter to me
18:46:10  <Rubidium> planetmaker: it's just that the alternative I'm proposing is faster and shorter for everyone
18:46:18  <planetmaker> :-)
18:46:25  <Mazur> What I normally do is calculate travel time, add 50% to that and see how it goes.
18:46:25  <Rubidium> and yes, 15 minutes might not be much
18:46:36  <planetmaker> depends on the traffic from those two sites to the highway, I say
18:46:54  <planetmaker> and inner town routes... usually google time estimates are not that great there
18:47:00  <Alberth> at saturday morning: not good :p
18:47:08  <planetmaker> ... :-P
18:47:09  <Rubidium> planetmaker: "just" off the highway vs to the city center
18:47:22  <planetmaker> On a Saturday morning every minute of sleep might count :-P
18:47:46  <Rubidium> also, meeting people at a not-so-crowded place is way easier
18:48:02  <planetmaker> "just off the highway" sounds better indeed :-)
18:48:03  <planetmaker> yup
18:48:23  <Rubidium> I'd basically be waiting for two guys with no idea where they are to step of a bus vs come from a fairly crowded station
18:48:38  <planetmaker> I just noticed I rented out my couch for mid June to mid July :-P
18:48:40  <Rubidium> also, reaching the stadium is way easier
18:48:43  <planetmaker> we'll have to do without
18:48:48  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: you pick the place I should drive to, I pick you up there :p
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18:51:06  <Rubidium> it's basically,1&mrsp=1&sz=18&sll=52.079595,5.144048&sspn=0.003132,0.00309&ie=UTF8&ll=52.088789,5.122032&spn=0.200404,0.197754&z=12 vs
18:51:12  <Rubidium>,5.333176+to:Onbekende+weg+to:braunschweig&geocode=FT_qGwMdqYNEACntXaD-jcbFRzEHlCTQipEGAA%3B%3BFZ7KGwMd0PFRAA%3BFdR8HQMdrJ6gACk7ZgCK1fWvRzGwOqyUbawlBA&hl=nl&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=12&via=1&sll=52.133277,5.414543&sspn=0.200204,0.197754&ie=UTF8&ll=52.152029,5.828247&spn=1.600989,1.582031&z=9
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18:53:31  <Freak_NL> Hello #openttd, does anyone know of a simple nfo example for a station NewGRF?
18:54:37  <Freak_NL> Basically, the kind of nfo you would need to test a few custom sprites, nothing fancy.
18:55:16  <Rubidium> doesn't one of the examples cover stations?
18:55:27  <frosch123> Ammler: did you use stations or houses for testing opengfx alignment?
18:55:47  <Ammler> stations, but that isn't really good as example :-)
18:55:49  <Freak_NL> Rubidium, I didn't find one yet.
18:55:59  <planetmaker> Freak_NL: the only one I know is
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18:56:22  <planetmaker> But I'm not sure whether it's easy or not. I guess rather not
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18:56:50  <planetmaker> And mind that I'm not quite sure about the license. It's quite "interesting" one
18:57:16  <Freak_NL> planetmaker, I'll have a look, all I need is an example for writing the nfo
18:57:30  <planetmaker> then have a look there :-)
18:57:43  <planetmaker> I know no other station source which is available
18:58:27  <Ammler> dutchstations, but same author
18:58:34  <Ammler> so the code might be similar
18:58:43  <planetmaker> ah, right
18:58:55  <Freak_NL> Looks well documented, so it may be just what I need to get going
18:59:04  <planetmaker> that DutchStations code might actually be in better shape
18:59:21  <planetmaker> Freak_NL: never write NFO without PLENTY of comments ;-)
18:59:34  <planetmaker> or you'll not understand the other day what you did  yesterday :-)
18:59:38  <Ammler>
18:59:55  <Freak_NL> planetmaker, yeah I know, I'm a programmer myself..
19:00:15  <planetmaker> :-) Well, yeah. But NFO is notorious IMHO for being unreadable ;-)
19:00:19  <Freak_NL> I know I'll hate myself later if I skip comments :)
19:00:38  <planetmaker> hehe, indeed
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19:08:09  <Rubidium> to paraphrase one of my teachers (and to adapt it to NFO): "the comments are needed, otherwise grfcodec doesn't understand it"
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19:10:05  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
19:10:13  <Alberth> hello
19:10:22  <Alberth> not sure whether 'all' is here atm
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19:10:33  <PeterT> lol
19:12:00  <Muxy> @seen all
19:12:00  <DorpsGek> Muxy: I have not seen all.
19:13:04  <Nite_Owl> Hello Alberth
19:13:42  <Nite_Owl> Maybe All will show up later
19:19:10  <planetmaker> *shreek*
19:19:15  <planetmaker> hello Nite_Owl
19:19:30  <Nite_Owl> Hello planetmaker
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19:29:43  <glx> [21:08:16] <@Rubidium> to paraphrase one of my teachers (and to adapt it to NFO): "the comments are needed, otherwise grfcodec doesn't understand it" <-- but NFO really requires some comments ;)
19:30:12  <glx> the first 3 lines
19:31:16  <frosch123> especially the "do not alter" part is importantr
19:31:57  <frosch123> imo the most hillarious part of nfo
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20:07:36  <Eddi|zuHause> afair, the "do not alter" part is not needed
20:10:00  <Eddi|zuHause> [Sa Apr 26 2008] [23:42:22] <DaleStan>  Eddi|zuHause3: Currently, the first line must start with "// ", the second with "// (Info version ", and the third may be anything, but will always be ignored. Currently. One change I have floating around will make the third and following header lines of the format "// <key>:<data>"
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20:15:51  <planetmaker> good that NML is at the horizon :-)
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20:24:31  <Eddi|zuHause> "ick hör dir schon trapsen"
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20:43:27  <SmatZ> evening
20:43:28  * SmatZ is so tired
20:43:33  <SmatZ> and sweaty
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20:44:40  <frosch123> sweaty? it rained all day
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20:46:46  <SmatZ> well
20:46:51  <SmatZ> I went from the bus
20:46:53  <SmatZ> uphill
20:46:57  <SmatZ> and it was raining
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20:47:09  <SmatZ> so sweaty and wet :-p
20:47:23  <Ammler> igit
20:47:43  <SmatZ> thanks :-p
20:47:46  <planetmaker> thanks for sharing :-P
20:47:48  <Elvis_Cooper> hrhr
20:48:02  <SmatZ> that reminds me, I wanted to lose someweight for the 20k meeting
20:48:04  <planetmaker> but still a good evening to you :-)
20:48:06  <SmatZ> so I am not all fat there :-p
20:48:11  <planetmaker> haha :-)
20:48:12  <SmatZ> good evening, planetmaker ;)
20:48:40  <SmatZ> tommorow I am having some running
20:48:45  <SmatZ> (to a pub and back)
20:48:46  <planetmaker> I've an idea how you might loose weight till then: start. running. now. Towards the meeting place :-)
20:48:53  <SmatZ> :-D
20:49:06  <Ammler> then you might have as long as me :-)
20:49:06  <SmatZ> 30km a day is doable
20:49:10  <SmatZ> :-D
20:49:18  <planetmaker> yup, should be
20:49:49  <Ammler> how many "car hours" do you have?
20:49:56  <frosch123> if that is too hard, i can offer you a train when you run to my place. that is only half the way
20:49:58  <planetmaker> loool
20:50:09  <SmatZ> :-D
20:50:14  <SmatZ> Ammler: car hours?
20:50:18  <planetmaker> I just asked google, SmatZ: estimated time by foot: 3 days, 13 hours. Good luck!
20:50:19  <frosch123> also you only have to run horizontally ;p
20:50:24  <SmatZ> :-D
20:50:26  <frosch123> (on the map)
20:51:10  <SmatZ> it's ~500 km on highways, so about 4 hours by car
20:51:16  <planetmaker> @calc (24*3+13) / 5
20:51:16  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 17
20:51:30  <planetmaker> @calc 419 / 30
20:51:30  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 13.9666666667
20:51:42  <planetmaker> so something like 2 - 3 weeks seems more probable
20:51:46  <frosch123> hmm, oh, i failed again at geography ...
20:51:59  <frosch123> smatz, me and pm are about equidistant from each other
20:52:07  <planetmaker> woot?
20:52:23  <planetmaker> I'd have failed that test, too. Aschaffenburg?
20:52:32  <SmatZ> I would need to take someone with me, else the gasoline is going to be quite expensive (~100E total)
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20:53:12  <frosch123>,10.371094&sspn=14.132112,39.067383&ie=UTF8&ll=50.792047,12.722168&spn=3.556056,9.766846&z=7
20:53:14  <planetmaker> SmatZ: Mucht or Osai :-)
20:53:32  <Ammler> or V<big-integer>
20:53:35  <SmatZ> ideally someone from CZ...
20:53:36  <SmatZ> yeah :)
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20:54:02  <planetmaker> frosch123: it's 100km less between you and me than between either you or me and Smatz ;-)
20:54:16  <Mucht> pretty far for me -.-
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20:54:52  <planetmaker> pretty fun, though ;-)
20:54:57  <SmatZ> :-)
20:55:51  <SmatZ> 3 Tage, 19 Stunden fÃŒr FußgÀnger? I don't believe that :-p
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20:56:18  <SmatZ> (438 km)
20:56:27  <Rubidium> @calc 438/(3*24+19)
20:56:27  <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 4.81318681319
20:56:42  <Rubidium> 4.8 km/h seems reasonable for walking
20:56:44  <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ can come here and pick me up, that is half the way ;)
20:56:48  <planetmaker> non-stop :-P
20:57:03  <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: it's rather 2/3 I think
20:57:22  <planetmaker> 150km from here
20:57:29  <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: would be nice, where do you live? 2/3 sounds around Leipzig
20:57:35  <planetmaker> yup
20:57:36  <Eddi|zuHause> yes
20:57:43  <SmatZ> :-)
20:57:47  <SmatZ> well, yes :) can be
20:57:50  <planetmaker> just the other side of the highway, if I get it right ;-)
20:58:02  <planetmaker> Hanoi? ;-)
20:58:12  <Eddi|zuHause> no, i live outside of Halle
20:58:16  <planetmaker> ah :-)
20:58:17  <SmatZ> :p
20:58:31  <planetmaker> SmatZ: that's the nick-name of one of the suburbs there ;-)
20:58:37  <SmatZ> ok :D
20:58:46  <planetmaker> Ha-Neu = Halle Neustadt
20:58:53  <SmatZ> hehe
20:59:14  <planetmaker> not quite the place to be though ;-)
20:59:31  <planetmaker> though flats are pretty cheap
20:59:32  <Eddi|zuHause> i have never lived in Halle-Neustadt
20:59:43  * planetmaker neither, but I had friends living there
20:59:46  <Eddi|zuHause> actually, it's very green there
21:00:10  <planetmaker> quite true. Still not my preferred flats
21:01:26  <Eddi|zuHause> i hate google... after so many years, they still did not manage for google maps to work in konqueror
21:01:41  <Rubidium> heh, google thinks walking includes taking a train
21:02:03  <PeterT> when's the meet planned for?
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21:02:43  <Belugas> home, than dentist, than night
21:02:43  <Belugas> bye
21:02:51  <Rubidium> good luck Belugas
21:03:05  <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: anyway, it'd be like half an hour detour, i live quite far away from the highway
21:03:51  <Eddi|zuHause> unless you come by around 11:00, then i'd be in Halle
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21:05:17  <planetmaker> bye Belugas
21:05:25  <Rubidium>,10.371094&sspn=14.132112,39.067383&ie=UTF8&ll=50.792047,12.722168&spn=3.556056,9.766846&z=7 <- walking at almost 60 km/h
21:05:49  <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: no problem for me, we can discuss the details later :)
21:05:55  <SmatZ> Rubidium: hehe :)
21:06:03  <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: I wouldn't assume that he's much earlier around halle...
21:06:17  <planetmaker> unless he's an early bird. I wouldn't bet on that though :-P
21:06:53  <SmatZ> I am not, but when I have to get up early, I don't have much problems with that ;)
21:07:05  <planetmaker> :-)
21:07:17  <planetmaker> I guess you can be here in like 5 hours, too
21:07:36  <planetmaker> so being around 11 in Halle sounds like a time which is quite ok
21:07:49  <planetmaker> then you'll be here at around 1pm
21:08:12  <SmatZ> hmm losing 10kgs in 1 months is doable :)
21:08:17  <SmatZ> -s
21:08:40  <planetmaker> sure that it's a good thing?
21:08:45  <Rubidium> just weigh all your fecal matter for a month; probably will be more than 10 kgs :)
21:08:49  <planetmaker> that it wouldn't be like loosing only water?
21:08:59  <planetmaker> ewww
21:09:18  <SmatZ> :-D
21:09:47  <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i don't think that is medically the right way to measure lost weight :p
21:10:04  <planetmaker> economically it'd count as turn-over ;-)
21:10:27  <frosch123> recently a scale told me i am too young for my weight
21:10:38  <planetmaker> :-P
21:11:03  <frosch123> (my body mass index is fine for >= 30, but fat for < 30) :p
21:13:44  * __ln__ wants a cheap flight to germany
21:14:23  * planetmaker wants that __ln__ finds a cheap flight to Berlin or Hanover
21:14:55  <frosch123>,24.400635&sspn=2.707587,9.766846&dirflg=w&ie=UTF8&z=5
21:15:04  <frosch123> same time as for smatz
21:15:10  <frosch123> *duration
21:15:37  <planetmaker> that looks like a fun "walking" distance and route :-D
21:15:50  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe there are cheap flights to airports that are way off grid...
21:15:51  <frosch123> visiting two other countries :p
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21:16:30  <SmatZ> :-)
21:16:33  <planetmaker> yeah :-)
21:16:41  <SmatZ> I searched for cheap flights, but found nothing
21:17:45  <Eddi|zuHause> you have to be careful with "cheap" flights, often they don't include taxes and fees in their "advertisment"
21:18:21  <planetmaker> SmatZ: you could book into the VW private flights. They used to give free flights to CZ to their staff, especially the union leaders :-P
21:18:31  <__ln__> turku-hamburg 220€... cheapest so far, though not really cheap.
21:18:34  <planetmaker> and they started right from this town :-P
21:18:57  <planetmaker> they have their own Airbus parked here for that very reason
21:20:12  <planetmaker>,10.554922&sspn=0.001217,0.004731&ie=UTF8&split=1&rq=1&ev=p&radius=0.12&hq=flughafen&hnear=&ll=52.31533,10.554922&spn=0.001217,0.004731&t=h&z=18 <-- there it is actually
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21:23:21  <planetmaker>,10.534293&sspn=0.000609,0.002366&ie=UTF8&split=1&rq=1&ev=p&radius=0.06&hq=flughafen&hnear=&ll=52.287798,10.534244&spn=0.000609,0.002366&t=h&z=19 <-- place for BBQ most probably
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21:28:35  <frosch123> that is quite a nibelungian area
21:28:59  <planetmaker> yeah... the Siegfriedviertel is the name of this suburb ;-)
21:29:40  <frosch123> hmm, walkÃŒrenring. i cannot remember whether that is also nibelungian or only wagnerian
21:29:41  <planetmaker> if you go by public transport you get off from tram at the Burgundenplatz or off the bus at the Siegfriedstraße
21:30:04  <planetmaker> both
21:30:19  <planetmaker>
21:30:52  <planetmaker> it's not like Wagner invented the stuff. He just made nice music around that theme
21:31:03  <frosch123> that i know :p
21:31:07  <planetmaker> :-)
21:31:45  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, WalkÃŒren are part of the Nibelungen song
21:32:15  <planetmaker> definitely
21:32:54  <planetmaker> hm, would you guys stay around for Sunday and a guided tour through the town?
21:33:18  <planetmaker> hey, you must love Gauss ;-)
21:34:48  <frosch123> gauss? i thought we meet in bs, not gö
21:35:01  <planetmaker> this is his birth town
21:35:13  <frosch123> haha, everyone wants to have a piece :p
21:35:18  <planetmaker> sure ;-)
21:35:27  <planetmaker> hey, also he went to school here :-)
21:36:18  <planetmaker> which unfortunately was mostly destroyed, and only a nice entry-arc remained from the original building
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21:39:24  <planetmaker> but then Till Eulenspiegel or Henry the Lion might be just as famous ;-)
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21:52:03  <frosch123> night awl
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