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Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC.] 03:30:11 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:49b2:11da:8b70:40cf] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:31:26 *** erani [eran-@garde.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:31:37 *** erani [eran-@212.116.42.3] has joined #openttd 03:35:30 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:47:40 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:56:47 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 04:56:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76D0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:56:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B770FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:36:29 * andythenorth wonders "when is it time for a break from the game?" 05:40:25 <Eddi|zuHause> what? blasphemy!! 05:53:39 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:06:44 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has 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[~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:25:55 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:29:55 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Not here] 11:30:44 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:00:09 *** OsteHovel [~email@160.205.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 12:00:35 <OsteHovel> now i got a pack of 32bpp sprites... are they suposed to be in /data/sprites/ (and folders for each grf it replaces) ? 12:01:04 <Ammler> just in data 12:01:13 <OsteHovel> ok ;) 12:01:34 <Ammler> (the tars should have folder sprites/<grf> in it 12:02:20 <OsteHovel> aaah 12:02:22 <OsteHovel> omg 12:02:28 <OsteHovel> im not suposed to extract them,... 12:02:31 * OsteHovel suchs a idiot 12:04:49 <Ammler> yes, no need, but you can 12:06:39 <OsteHovel> i dont get it to work so it must be something im doing wrong... 12:06:44 <OsteHovel> gonna try with a siple small tar 12:07:14 <Ammler> you need to enable the blitter, thee is a wiki page about... 12:07:25 <Ammler> also a lot tt-forums threads 12:07:31 <OsteHovel> this one right: blitter = 32bpp-optimized 12:07:38 <OsteHovel> in the [misc] part of the openttd.cfg 12:09:06 <OsteHovel> im trying to get this siple file working: http://ostehovel.ostsoft.net/files/openttd/gui4.tar 12:10:05 <Ammler> that is outdated 12:10:19 <Ammler> using openttdw.grf 12:10:31 <OsteHovel> yaya but see the bright spot it worked ;) 12:10:35 <Ammler> you might need a openttd version from that time 12:10:46 <OsteHovel> everything exept that one spirte got replaced 12:10:50 <OsteHovel> the rest of the toolbar got replaced ) 12:12:53 <Ammler> because that is from trg1r.grf, which doesn't change... 12:16:42 *** Muxy [~Muxy@81.56.185.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:16:52 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 12:24:05 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@81.56.185.201] has joined #openttd 12:24:15 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@81.56.185.201] has quit [Remote host 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#3822 ? 12:55:07 <andythenorth> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3822 12:55:14 <andythenorth> I'll bake cookies if so 12:55:29 * PeterT bakes andythenorth 12:55:43 <andythenorth> (cookies will look and taste somewhat like code for industry clustering) 12:56:02 <PeterT> you haven't learned that asking will only delay you? 12:56:13 <PeterT> they will get to it eventually ;-) 12:57:17 <Alberth> Its author seems to be busy with other things atm 12:57:39 <andythenorth> PeterT: asking rarely does delay it 12:58:04 <andythenorth> quite often asking nicely seems to work 12:59:26 <andythenorth> the patch is tested and works (in single player, haven't tried MP) 13:00:25 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01:00 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:01:00 <frosch123> it lacks doxygen comments 13:02:26 <andythenorth> :| 13:02:42 * andythenorth could add those? 13:02:49 <frosch123> already did 13:02:53 <andythenorth> :) 13:08:42 * andythenorth prepares cookie mix 13:08:46 <andythenorth> but later! 13:08:48 <andythenorth> bye 13:09:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19901 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Add: [NewGRF] Access to industry founder (var A7) during callbacks 28 and 2F. (yexo) 13:09:32 <Rubidium> aren't those cookies stale on the 19th? 13:10:38 <frosch123> the time it takes to prepare them depends on the amount. i.e. he would first have to order some kg of chocolate and such 13:10:42 <planetmaker> there'll be new ones 13:10:56 <planetmaker> meat cookies :-P 13:16:13 *** holyduck [~holyduck@77.106.154.234] has joined #openttd 13:16:20 *** holyduck [~holyduck@77.106.154.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:20:35 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@ip-101-138-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:50 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF99F0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:59 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.154.234] has joined #openttd 13:58:01 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:14:40 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB79D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:15:03 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.26.203.77] has joined #openttd 14:15:53 *** goblin_ [~goblin@141.76.6.210] has joined #openttd 14:20:34 <Terkhen> hello 14:20:52 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 14:21:00 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.26.203.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:21:12 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 14:22:29 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-32-141.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 14:32:14 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 14:42:23 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:56 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 14:57:50 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:59:21 *** Lokimaros [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:59:47 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:02 *** Lokimaros is now known as Mazur 15:30:37 *** goblin_ [~goblin@141.76.6.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:54 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-075-047-123.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:38:08 *** b_jonas [~x@dsl4E5C08C5.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 15:42:57 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #openttd [] 15:45:14 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 15:46:17 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 15:48:00 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-075-047-123.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49:33 *** ^ekipS^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:50:24 *** Arkenklo [arkenklo@titan.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:26 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:51:26 *** ^ekipS^ is now known as ^Spike^ 15:52:18 *** peter1139 is now known as peter1138 15:54:19 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 15:55:25 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:48 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 16:01:00 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:03:33 *** ^ekipS^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:10:06 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10:15 *** ^ekipS^ is now known as ^Spike^ 16:10:38 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-075-047-123.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:11:21 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #openttd [] 16:13:51 *** DJNekkid [~DJ___Nekk@static128-249.mimer.net] has joined #openttd 16:14:06 <DJNekkid> hi guys. Anyone who is driving windows Vista or earlier who can send me mspaint.exe ? 16:14:45 <SmatZ> win7 dropped mspaint? 16:14:58 <SmatZ> I can send you czech version, if you don't mind... 16:15:12 <Forked> I have mspaint.exe in win7 16:15:34 <DJNekkid> win7 have mspaint, but its "broken" compared to is predesessor 16:15:43 <DJNekkid> and a czech version is ok :) 16:16:11 <DJNekkid> but forked is sending me a russian version :) 16:16:14 <DJNekkid> (i think) 16:16:25 <Forked> let me find it.. 16:16:30 <PeterT> would you prefer an english version? 16:16:51 <DJNekkid> any old mspaint.exe would hopefully work :) 16:16:59 <PeterT> I didn't find it very broken :-P 16:17:01 <DJNekkid> the text isnt important :) 16:17:06 <fjb> Chinese version would look funnier. 16:17:16 <PeterT> well, being able to read it helps :-) 16:17:28 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 16:18:46 <DJNekkid> thanx SmatZ 16:18:55 <DJNekkid> i'll get back to you PeterT if i need an english one 16:19:03 <SmatZ> :) 16:19:18 <PeterT> sure 16:21:17 <DJNekkid> there is ONE function i cant seem to find in the win7 version 16:21:27 <Forked> what function is that? 16:21:33 <DJNekkid> the ability to copy only non-background colors/pixels 16:21:41 <DJNekkid> and paste that on top of an exsisting sprite 16:21:56 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 16:27:25 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-075-047-123.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:35:25 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-90fbe253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:44:28 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-86-27-26-146.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: I was raided by the FBI and all I got to keep was this lousy quit message!] 16:44:46 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-86-27-26-146.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:50:09 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BC64.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:52:05 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.26.203.77] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:32:32 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:44:45 <DJNekkid> probably another stupid question,but is a tile underneeth or to the right of another tile? 17:44:50 <DJNekkid> if that were understandable 17:45:29 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r19902 /trunk/src/lang/danish.txt: 17:45:29 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:29 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: danish - 4 changes by silentStatic 17:46:10 <DJNekkid> hmm 17:46:12 <DJNekkid> underneeth it seems 17:55:23 <frosch123> it was not understandable :) 17:57:48 <DJNekkid> dont matter... i found out :) 18:05:54 <DJNekkid> yey, perfect aligned step1 18:06:58 <DJNekkid> ehm, wrong chan :) 18:13:56 <frosch123> all spammers are in all channels anyway 18:22:07 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:41 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 18:36:47 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12] 18:43:31 *** Aali_ is now known as Aali 18:48:23 <Ammler> [20:47] <Stablean> *** tkjacobsen has left the game (desync error) <-- after newgame 18:49:07 <Rubidium> still the same thing 18:49:24 <Rubidium> probably solved in trunk / 1.0.2 18:49:38 <Ammler> oh, ok :-) 18:50:28 <Ammler> silly is, he joined right after desync 18:51:25 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:07:45 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 19:18:44 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... song contest 19:18:48 <Eddi|zuHause> is that worth it? 19:19:58 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Well, its the called the Annual Great British Embarrassment here :p 19:20:19 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: well, germany got last place twice in the last 5 years, or so :p 19:20:24 <glx> no result since 1977 here 19:20:52 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: I think we got last 3 times last 5 :p 19:21:47 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: well, austria didn't take part in the last 5 years, which always was a safe 12 points 19:22:09 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Heh. Didn't take part or didn't pass the semifinals? 19:22:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i think didn't take part 19:23:12 <Eddi|zuHause> other fairly safe 12 points usually come from spain (= mallorca) :p 19:23:28 <glx> the german island ;) 19:23:51 <OwenS> Hehe 19:23:54 *** Adambean` [adamr@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 19:24:08 <Eddi|zuHause> but even with those we managed to get last place... 19:24:35 <glx> I don't even know what is the french song this year 19:24:37 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Can't have. For a few years we got zero... 19:24:53 <OwenS> Thats right. Even Ireland didn't vote for us 19:25:24 <Eddi|zuHause> the german 12 points often go to turkey 19:25:50 <Eddi|zuHause> except the one time where denmark won 19:26:04 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26:42 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 19:26:46 <OwenS> Its fun that back in the 90s Ireland won so many times they couldn't afford it :p 19:27:12 <glx> the 1st place is not always goo :) 19:27:15 <glx> +d 19:27:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i think germany won only once 19:28:07 <OwenS> 5 times 19:28:15 <OwenS> You're joint second with the UK for that 19:28:18 <OwenS> Ireland is 1st with 7 wins 19:29:21 <Eddi|zuHause> do you have the list of songs that won? 19:29:31 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Eurovision_Song_Contest_winners 19:29:58 <OwenS> The UK commentary is trying to convince everyone to vote Cyprus, rofl 19:30:29 <glx> 1965 ,... Luxembourg ,..."Poupée de cire, poupée de son" ,...France Gall <-- why did she contest for luxembourg ??? 19:30:51 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:15 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3874.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:42 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:31:50 <OwenS> Yikes... geography fail 19:31:51 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: it says germany won only in 1982 with "Ein biÃchen Frieden", and four times 2nd place 19:32:01 <OwenS> Why did I read France as Germany? Brain needs a slap 19:32:22 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC66B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:33:40 <OwenS> Norway are having fun with the CGI, rofl 19:35:17 <Eddi|zuHause> "Four countries tied for first place at the 1969 Contest. As no tie-break structure was in place, all four were declared joint winners." 19:35:51 <dihedral> i flew my model plane - oh what fun :-) 19:36:26 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:36:37 <OwenS> In spite of only 5 wins, we have hosted the contest 8 times... 19:37:04 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF99F0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:38:54 <Eddi|zuHause> because countries like luxembourg didn't want to host twice in a row? 19:39:35 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Netherlands, France, Monaco, and Luxembourg. Netherlands have also hosted once on behalf of Israel since it coincided with their rememberance day 19:44:28 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-86-27-26-146.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:32 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-86-27-26-146.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:51:21 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:54:03 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.154.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:03 <OwenS> Great British Embarassment time :p 19:55:15 <OwenS> (We are making fools of ourselves on stage ATM :P) 19:55:26 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i agree ;) 19:55:44 <Eddi|zuHause> far below most of the previous songs... 19:57:13 <OwenS> "DO NOT CALL FOR THE UK - Your vote won't count and may be charged" <-- They really needed to say it? :P 20:00:42 *** lasershk [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:47 *** lasershk [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:57 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 20:13:23 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 20:15:17 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-075-047-123.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:21:27 <Zuu> Oh, andy would be proud, have implemented drag support for Junctioneer so you do no longer need to right click and select the move action to move multi-line points. :-D 20:21:37 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Not here] 20:22:33 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:23:14 <glx> Eddi|zuHause, OwenS finally we may have a chance 20:25:14 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 20:26:04 <Rubidium> OwenS: your country can decrease it's embarassment by stepping out of the magic group that goes to the finals in all cases. In that case you'll be voted out in the semi-finals and not as many people watch that! 20:31:25 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:37:45 *** lasershk [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:02 *** lasershk [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 20:40:51 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 20:42:15 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-075-047-123.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:42:55 *** lasershk [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:43:14 *** lasershk [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 20:43:33 <andythenorth> frosch123: thanks for that earlier commit :) 20:45:25 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... in comparison, i don't like the german song that much... 20:45:40 <Eddi|zuHause> there are a few interesting songs in there... 20:47:38 <frosch123> maybe listen to trio instead? 20:48:44 <Eddi|zuHause> da da da? 20:49:05 <frosch123> anna, berta 20:49:20 <Rubidium> und milka! :) 20:49:22 <Ammler> This year Swiss participant born on same village as me. :-) 20:49:29 <Rubidium> or aren't we talking about cows here? 20:49:43 <Ammler> (we are 1400 habitants) 20:49:47 <Eddi|zuHause> "Pech fÃŒr die Kuh Elsa" 20:50:04 <frosch123> yeah, poor elsa died 20:55:07 *** Adambean` [adamr@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:05:43 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 21:07:19 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-253.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:09:33 <OwenS> Rubidium: Stepping out of the magic group would require us decreasing our financial contribution. Which would possibly kill it. 21:09:52 <Rubidium> so it's even more effective! 21:09:56 <OwenS> The BBC provides a heck of a lot of the transmission equipment 21:10:52 <Eoin> Lena to WINNNNNNNNN 21:10:54 <Eoin> :D 21:10:58 <OwenS> Rubidium: But I think we would prefer to decrease our embarassment by making ourselves less embarassing :p 21:12:05 *** lasershk [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:17:18 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i only have 1.2GB left... 21:17:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i should probably do something about that 21:17:41 <OwenS> Resize the logical volume? :p 21:19:28 <b_jonas> write some of the films to dvds 21:19:45 <OwenS> b_jonas: I have TV show episodes bigger than DVDs :p 21:20:02 <b_jonas> split them 21:20:11 *** lasershoc [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 21:20:14 <Eddi|zuHause> b_jonas: i tried that once, but after only couple of years half the DVDs were bad... 21:20:15 <b_jonas> also, I'll have to make a backup 21:20:40 <OwenS> b_jonas: Besides, I don't have 93 DVD-R-DLs :p 21:21:33 *** lasershoc [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:21:42 *** lasershk [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 21:25:21 *** Wasila [~Wasila@81-178-69-164.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 21:25:54 *** Wasila [~Wasila@81-178-69-164.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [] 21:25:58 <OwenS> Its always impressive how quickly Wikipedia is updated once voting concludes :p 21:26:11 <Eoin> omg 21:26:14 <Eoin> denmark sucked 21:26:32 <Rubidium> can't be worse than the NL 21:27:00 <Eoin> omfg 21:27:02 <Eoin> another 12 21:27:08 <OwenS> Curse you Ireland :p 21:27:52 <OwenS> Oh get on with it Germany 21:28:18 <Eddi|zuHause> only 10 points for turkey... 21:28:40 <OwenS> Indeed 21:28:49 <OwenS> At least not more for Denmark from you :p 21:28:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:40 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: how good is your memory? What is the possible security issue you're talking about in r509? 21:30:24 <Eddi|zuHause> this might get interesting... 21:33:13 <Eddi|zuHause> "et lÀppert sich" 21:34:38 <OwenS> Germany in the lead? :o 21:35:03 <Eddi|zuHause> never 12 points, but often 6-8 21:35:31 <OwenS> Spoke too soon there :p 21:35:38 <Eddi|zuHause> obviously ;) 21:35:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i jinxed it! :p 21:36:07 <OwenS> In your favor? :p 21:36:49 <Eddi|zuHause> what if i bet against germany winning? :p 21:37:13 <OwenS> You'd only get a couple of pennies anyway :p 21:39:08 <Eddi|zuHause> almost no country has not given any points to germany 21:42:30 <Eddi|zuHause> "the thing on the left is the sun, not a volcano" :p 21:42:37 <OwenS> rofl 21:42:59 <OwenS> Our commentator just complemented the beautiful volcanic ash sunset :p 21:42:59 <Eddi|zuHause> said the german commentator ;) 21:43:21 <OwenS> Also, when we got two points "Look at us! We are racing ahead! 3 more and were in double figures!" :p 21:44:25 <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p 21:44:32 <OwenS> "Again with the Eiffel Tower! Build something else famous! Come on!" :p 21:46:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd be very surprised if germany not got 12 points from spain... 21:46:25 <OwenS> You did :p 21:46:39 <OwenS> BBC's stream must be a bit ahead of yours 21:46:43 <Eddi|zuHause> as far as i remember, we never not got 12 points from spain 21:47:28 <OwenS> I've got to say Oslo's interval stuff has been surprisingly unsucky 21:48:08 <TrueBrain> @openttd commit 509 21:48:11 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by truelight :: r509 /branches/network (15 files) (2004-11-05 15:24:43 UTC) 21:48:12 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: -Add: [New Network] Ingame visible text-message (chat and stuff) 21:48:13 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: -Add: Made possible to draw strings in player-color 21:48:14 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: -Fix: [New Network] Possible security issue in players.c 21:48:27 <TrueBrain> why on earth do you want to know 21:48:37 <OwenS> Strangely Trac refuses to pull the diff 21:48:46 <TrueBrain> have the same issue, yes 21:49:01 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: most important note is that the commit is in a branch, and never was in any kind of release 21:49:18 <frosch123> OwenS: it is in branch 'network', not trunk 21:49:26 <TrueBrain> frosch123: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/changeset/509/ 21:49:54 <Rubidium> I think I made a small mistake when the svn got reimported with branch renamed to branches 21:50:06 <TrueBrain> ah, yes 21:50:09 <TrueBrain> some meta data most likely 21:50:13 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: but why do you want to know? 21:50:43 <Rubidium> because I rather lose the _current_company = OWNER_NONE in CmdCompanyCtrl 21:50:54 <TrueBrain> something silly could happen under certain conditions 21:52:41 <TrueBrain> I believe it was an issue when holding down the shift 21:52:59 <TrueBrain> no, that was sooner 21:53:10 <TrueBrain> (holding shift caused all network-client commands to be queries :p) 21:54:15 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Not here] 21:54:49 <OwenS> O_o @ Malta's representative 21:54:54 <Eddi|zuHause> would you quit that damn on-topic talk?!? you're disturbing the discussion ;) 21:55:03 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:55:05 <TrueBrain> @mode +m 21:55:08 *** mode/#openttd [+m] by DorpsGek 21:55:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 21:55:15 <TrueBrain> solves that issue 21:55:25 <TrueBrain> damn, I am in one mean mood :p 21:55:26 <TrueBrain> @mode -m 21:55:29 *** mode/#openttd [-m] by DorpsGek 21:55:37 <OwenS> rofl 21:55:39 <PeterT> lol 21:55:48 *** Rubidium changed the topic of #openttd to: ESC 21:56:01 <Rubidium> so, now we can talk off-topic about OpenTTD again! :) 21:56:33 <TrueBrain> btw, Rubidium, did you spot the null-reference in r509 players.c? :) 21:56:51 <Rubidium> no, haven't looked at it thoroughly 21:57:05 <TrueBrain> if pDoStartupNewPlayer is NULL, it makes a null reference :p 21:57:07 <Rubidium> only looked at the diff 21:57:09 <TrueBrain> but I asusme that is fixed :p 21:57:26 <Rubidium> yes, it is 21:58:07 <TrueBrain> you are streching my memory here :p 21:59:20 <Rubidium> I know 21:59:38 <Rubidium> but a bit of brain training is good 21:59:56 <Rubidium> hmm, CmdCompanyCtrl is significantly smaller in r509 22:00:03 <TrueBrain> well, I know myself, so I can tell by the commit log that is was a hypotetical situation 22:01:36 <Rubidium> looks like you could join as spectator and be "joined"/"put" into the first newly created company 22:02:03 <TrueBrain> it did anyway 22:03:13 <OwenS> "Who has the X factor in Oslo tonight?" "...this is Eurovision" 22:03:54 <Rubidium> OwenS: Eddi|zuHause has asked you not to discuss on-topic stuff here 22:04:03 <OwenS> (For those unaware, X Factor is a UK song competition) 22:04:18 <OwenS> Rubidium: First time I've been told off for being on topic :p 22:05:09 <TrueBrain> so many bugs I find which I wonder how I could have missed them :p 22:05:12 <TrueBrain> I was young back then :p 22:05:19 <Eoin> who said that OwenS 22:05:42 <OwenS> Eoin: First, one of the points announcers; Second, our commentator 22:05:50 <Eoin> GERMANY WON 22:06:19 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:06:25 <OwenS> Eoin: Its official? :P 22:06:52 <OwenS> "Gosh, Moldova looks lovely. Its got a wall in it" 22:06:57 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I have no clue why that line was required 22:07:28 <Eddi|zuHause> how great that you commented it in an immediately understandable fashion :p 22:07:48 <TrueBrain> good chance it was me being too pedantic 22:08:28 <Eoin> THE UK GOT POINTS 22:08:49 <OwenS> "We are in double figures ladies and gentlemen! isn't it amazing?!" :P 22:08:51 <Rubidium> can't find any reason in the called functions why _current_company needed to be set either 22:08:54 <Eoin> ROFLLLLLLLL 22:08:56 <Eoin> WE JUST GOT PWNT 22:09:07 <TrueBrain> @kick Eoin talking in capitals all the time is annoying, at least 22:09:07 *** Eoin was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [talking in capitals all the time is annoying, at least] 22:09:07 *** Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:09:17 <TrueBrain> @kban Eoin 3600 talking in capitals all the time is annoying, at least (no-auto-return) 22:09:18 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] by DorpsGek 22:09:18 *** Eoin was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [talking in capitals all the time is annoying, at least (no-auto-return)] 22:09:52 <OwenS> An hour a bit OTT? :p 22:10:08 <TrueBrain> hmm .. should have been 1 minute 22:10:16 * PeterT disables auto-return, for the love of God 22:10:19 <TrueBrain> guess I forgot the input was in minutes :p 22:10:33 <OwenS> Wait... You banned him for 60 hours? XD 22:10:43 <TrueBrain> no 22:10:43 <PeterT> 3600 seconds? 22:10:47 <PeterT> that's not 60 hours 22:10:48 <TrueBrain> input was minutes, and I thought it was seconds 22:10:53 <TrueBrain> so I typed 60, which clearly is an hour 22:10:59 <TrueBrain> back off topic 22:11:03 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: remove it and see what happens? 22:11:06 <OwenS> PeterT: He said "minutes", I thought kban took minutes :p 22:11:21 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] by TrueBrain 22:13:11 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: as far as I can trace my memory (go figure), it had to do that some commands were executed as player instead of in the non-world, and that this could potentially avoid that problem 22:13:19 <TrueBrain> just, if it worked at all, it is a very unclean solution 22:15:46 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: to conclude, no sub-function should care if the _current_player is NONE or not .. and if the current code has the same assumption .. well :) 22:15:50 <TrueBrain> k, nuff said about this :) 22:15:59 *** TrueBrain changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.0.1 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | Continental breakfast only | Don't ask to ask, just ask 22:16:12 <TrueBrain> OwenS: floor is yours 22:16:17 <OwenS> Haha 22:16:18 <Sacro> hmm, why was Eoin banned? 22:16:18 <OwenS> Continental breakfast only? :s 22:16:24 <OwenS> TrueBrain: ESC is nearly over anyway :p 22:16:27 <PeterT> TrueBrain: I quit enjoyed this, thank you 22:16:30 <PeterT> *quite 22:16:31 <TrueBrain> "spuit elf geeft ook modder" 22:16:33 <Sacro> oh, spamming 22:17:03 *** Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:17:08 <Eoin> i never even noticed i was banned lol 22:17:21 <TrueBrain> the ban was just to avoid your auto-return thingy 22:17:30 <TrueBrain> which defeats the idea of a kick 22:17:52 <PeterT> so the idea of a kick is to make the person work by writing "/join #channel" to get back in? 22:17:56 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Depends. Some channels I've been kicked from in jest :p 22:18:11 <TrueBrain> PeterT: no, to make them aware they were kicked; some clients otherwise do not even report the kick 22:18:13 <Eoin> i have auto return on? 22:18:16 <Eoin> never knew 22:18:28 <ccfreak2k> Eoin, it's default on in some clients. 22:18:34 <OwenS> TrueBrain: They'd see the @kick line 22:18:36 <TrueBrain> one of those 'features' in clients which makes another 22:18:40 <TrueBrain> 'feature' obsolete 22:18:45 <PeterT> TrueBrain: I see. I've disabled my kick_rejoin 22:18:50 <TrueBrain> OwenS: they go on the mental ignore :p 22:18:56 <TrueBrain> @kick PeterT of course I need to test that 22:18:56 *** PeterT was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [of course I need to test that] 22:19:01 <TrueBrain> that he just asked for 22:19:01 *** PeterT [~PeterT@peter.tarkoy.com] has joined #openttd 22:19:03 <PeterT> it works! 22:19:10 <PeterT> :D 22:20:39 <PeterT> OwenS: @kick is only if you have a supybot like DorpsGek 22:22:04 <OwenS> PeterT: Sure. But I'm refering to #openttd specifically 22:22:52 <TrueBrain> OwenS: did you know that 'ban after auto-return after kick' is part of the IRC etiquette nowedays? :) 22:23:57 <TrueBrain> then again, it also says not to kick users if they beg for it 22:24:44 <OwenS> TrueBrain: I suppose I'll have to adopt my official solution: Only ever get kicked in jest :p 22:25:26 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 22:25:44 <TrueBrain> sounds like a plan ;) 22:28:19 <Eddi|zuHause> depends on your definition of "beg" :p 22:28:46 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... this file is 9.7GB... 22:29:11 <TrueBrain> hmm .. can I define this as a beg? :p :p 22:29:17 <TrueBrain> ps: won't fit on a FAT32 filesystem :p 22:29:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it's ext3 22:29:50 <OwenS> Is ext4 stable yet? :p 22:30:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe they declared it stable, not sure if it actually is ;) 22:30:23 <TrueBrain> depends on your definition of "stable" :p 22:30:58 <Eddi|zuHause> but i'm on an old kernel 22:31:21 <Rubidium> I've not experienced any problems with it since the cooling paste has been removed 22:31:22 <Eddi|zuHause> so apparently "stable" was after 2.6.25 22:31:35 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:43 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 22:43:04 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:45:58 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 22:54:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EC3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:36 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fded2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:43 *** PeterT is now known as SN1 23:04:29 *** SN1 is now known as PeterT 23:09:23 *** Katje_ [~Kitty@tao.quixotic.eu] has joined #openttd 23:09:38 <Katje_> Ihave a multiplayer question, where do you set difficult settings and advanced settings 23:10:13 <__ln__> congratulations germany! 23:10:53 <PeterT> Katje_: can you elaborate on that? 23:11:01 <PeterT> starting a server, using rcon, or what? 23:13:40 <Zuu> Katje_: If it is a game that has not yet started the settings you should tweak are in openttd.cfg 23:13:58 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14:19 <Zuu> If you want, you can use OpenTTD in non-dedicated mode to edit the config and then quit and start it as a dedicated server if that is how you want to host the server. 23:14:24 <Katje_> the bits normally controlled in "Advanced settings" and "difficulty (custom)" 23:14:28 <Katje_> in single player 23:14:36 <PeterT> Are you starting a server? 23:14:44 <PeterT> or are you remotely controlling a server? 23:14:45 <Katje_> that is my aim 23:15:01 <PeterT> which?! 23:15:42 <Katje_> starting a server 23:15:44 <Katje_> and playing 23:15:48 <Eddi|zuHause> Katje_: easiest is if you prepare a savegame on single player, and upload that to the server 23:15:54 <Katje_> aah 23:16:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Katje_: otherwise, you have to adjust stuff by hand in openttd.cfg 23:16:49 <Katje_> ok 23:19:13 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:24 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: the weird part about that is, i don't find the song that great... 23:20:30 <__ln__> it's not the best song ever, but i thought it was quite nice 23:20:39 <Katje_> where would I find the openttd.cfg ? 23:20:39 <Zuu> I though it was normal that one is not liking the winning song. 23:20:47 <PeterT> Katje_: readme.txt 23:20:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Katje_: in the readme.txt 23:21:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Katje_: and only after you ran openttd once and exit properly 23:21:14 <Zuu> Katje_: Or use the find file tools of your operating system. But reading the readme.txt is a good thing anyways. 23:21:21 <Katje_> hmm, thats not easy to find either, I wonder where debian hides it 23:21:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Katje_: or just put your single player cfg on the appropriate place 23:21:34 <Katje_> Zuu: well the wiki sugguests it should be in ~/.openttd/ 23:21:40 <Katje_> I can find all my save games 23:21:42 <Eddi|zuHause> Katje_: in /usr/share/games? 23:21:43 <Katje_> but nothing else 23:21:55 * __ln__ received a flag of the federal republic of germany as a gift 23:21:56 <Zuu> We said the readme, not the wiki 23:22:15 <Katje_> aah, theres an openttd.cfg in there 23:22:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Katje_: well, savegames and config should be at the same place 23:22:32 <Rubidium> docs in debian go to /usr/share/doc/<package> ; so in this case /usr/share/doc/openttd 23:22:58 <OwenS> Note to self: If your mailing list comment disappears, check you aren't subscribed with an old address 23:23:13 <Zuu> Katje_: What does "locate openttd.cfg" tell you? 23:23:26 <Katje_> I found one in /usr/share/games/openttd 23:23:31 <SmatZ> bash: locate: command not found 23:23:32 <Rubidium> Zuu: that doesn't work until the next updatedb is ran 23:23:32 <Zuu> Shouldn't that give you rather quickly the file you want. 23:23:35 <Katje_> have copied it to ~/.openttd/ 23:23:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Katje_: that shouldn't be the right place... 23:23:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Katje_: as stuff in /usr shouldn't be writable 23:24:00 <Katje_> hence copying it 23:24:15 <Katje_> this may explain why my settings never stay constant between games 23:24:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Katje_: i'd also advise removing 23:25:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Katje_: and telling your package maintainer to fix it... 23:25:24 <Rubidium> openttd.cfg in /usr/share/games/openttd? That's quite unlikely to happen 23:25:39 <Katje_> Rubidium: thats where its hiding... 23:25:56 <Rubidium> well, unless OpenTTD can't find a $HOME 23:26:06 <Zuu> That would mean that it was put there by the installer/packagemanager? 23:26:13 <Katje_> I have copied it to ~/.openttd/ 23:26:24 <Katje_> Zuu: yeah, 23:26:45 <Rubidium> Zuu: it isn't for me; I've got the Debian package installed, so it isn't the Debian package that's the problem 23:26:59 <Katje_> Rubidium: which version are you using from debian ? 23:27:04 <Rubidium> 1.0.1 23:27:48 <OwenS> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d9/USB_3.0_Icon.svg/500px-USB_3.0_Icon.svg.png <-- Really, Intel/USB Forum, really? 23:27:59 <Rubidium> though 0.6.2-lenny doesn't have an openttd.cfg either 23:28:32 <Rubidium> OwenS: why not? "Sehr Schnell" 23:28:43 <Zuu> Isn't there a deb tool that can tell you which package a file comes from? 23:28:53 <OwenS> Rubidium: Indeed. Invoking Godwin's law in a standard logo... 23:28:55 <Rubidium> there is, just don't know how it's called 23:28:58 <Zuu> Which would also tell if the file was not put there by the package manager. 23:29:20 <Zuu> I don't remember either. 23:29:44 <Terkhen> good night 23:31:07 <Rubidium> OwenS: where has that law been invoked? 23:31:41 <OwenS> Rubidium: "SS"? 23:31:44 <Rubidium> because if that's the case... don't talk about the Norwegian railway company either 23:31:53 <OwenS> At least they resisted the temtation to have it lightning style :p 23:32:47 <Rubidium> poor Swati people... 23:33:02 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: in germany it is forbidden to mimic nazi symbols 23:33:38 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: I'm aware of that. Stupid law IMO, but I understand why 23:34:26 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: well, apparently "freedom of speech" is a lesser good in germany than e.g in america 23:34:59 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: At least you have a constitution ;-). Ours is all unwritten, and in theory the House of Commons could change it on a whim without oversight 23:35:11 <OwenS> (OK, I suppose the Queen could refuse to sign it) 23:36:02 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: technically, we have a constitution that is not "active", but not really invalidated either. and another constitution that isn't a constitution and says it should be turned into a real constitution 23:36:04 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: then why does maps.google.de use swastika's? 23:36:12 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: rofl 23:36:30 <OwenS> (The House of Lords is supposed to oversee them... But in the 20s the Commons passed a bill that allows them to go around the lords. How did they do this? They threattened to get the then King to stuff the Lords with people to get the vote passed anyway) 23:36:49 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: At least yours doesn't involve trawling 400 year old court cases 23:37:28 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: some of our laws date back to pre-napoleonic times 23:38:05 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: I think some of ours date back to the 12th century. We certainly have some laws written in french 23:38:11 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: and with the history of throwing everything around, it gets pretty messy 23:38:58 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: there have been extensive court discussions on which parts of which constitution actually apply ;) 23:39:29 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Well, at least you have some form of real constitution. Not one the government can just decide "We're gonna rewrite this bit today" 23:39:33 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: and the outcome certainly contained the words "parts of the 1918 constitution still apply" 23:40:42 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: well, we have that kind of government, too, but at least it is defined that it needs a 2/3 majority in the parliament 23:41:11 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Majority only here. And you know what our parliments are like... 23:42:01 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: well, the last time your king ruled without parliament is a little further away than our last dictatorship 23:42:13 <OwenS> True 23:42:38 <Eddi|zuHause> several parts in our semi-constitution have been written especially with the events of 1933 in mind 23:42:51 <OwenS> And at least the Queen can refuse to sign a law here if the need arises 23:43:08 <Eddi|zuHause> well, our president has the same right 23:43:26 <Katje_> am I right in thinking when generating a map, if I remember the seed, I will always get the same map ? 23:43:29 <Eddi|zuHause> that actually did happen a few years ago 23:43:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Katje_: yes and no 23:43:42 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Is your president elected? 23:44:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Katje_: things may change depending on loaded newgrfs and other settings 23:44:15 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: yes, but not directly 23:44:19 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC66B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 23:44:36 <Katje_> but if all other settings remain the same 23:44:42 <Katje_> the map will be the same each time? 23:44:45 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: I think its kind of good that our checks and balances (Lords, Queen) aren't affiliated with a political party 23:45:00 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: it's some weirdly convoluted scheme between the "Bundesrat" [representation of individual governments] and the "Bundestag" [parliament] 23:45:05 <OwenS> Hehe 23:45:19 <Eddi|zuHause> Katje_: yes 23:45:48 <Eddi|zuHause> Katje_: PS: game version is also relevant 23:46:12 <Katje_> ok 23:46:32 <b_jonas> a parliment building for cities? 23:47:10 <Eddi|zuHause> b_jonas: possible via newgrf 23:47:36 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: I also like that your constitution only allows declaration of war for defensive purposes 23:47:38 <Eddi|zuHause> b_jonas: pikka once introduced the concept of "town halls", but i think he scratched that again 23:47:42 <__ln__> is there something that's not possible via newgrf? 23:47:52 <OwenS> __ln__: 3D 23:48:07 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: they recently had a very wide definition of "defensive", e.g. in kosovo and afghanistan 23:48:53 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: resulting in the coined phrase "germany's borders get defended at the hindukush" 23:48:53 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Don't they fall under the definition of peace keeping? 23:49:09 <OwenS> Certainly Kossovo was under UNMIK 23:49:19 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: no, theoretically it requires a direct threat against german territory 23:49:51 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Hmm. Perhaps its too tightly defined in my eyes then. 23:49:57 <OwenS> Theres certainly a balance required, as in all things 23:50:26 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: the allies wrote that part into our constitution... 23:50:45 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: over here the problem is solved by calling those things "crisis", not "war". 23:51:05 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: yes, they tried that here, too. but they didn't manage to keep that up 23:51:35 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: in the recent months, they were pressured into calling it a "war" in afghanistan 23:52:20 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: especially in the aftermath of the bombing of two fuel trucks with hundreds of dead civilians 23:52:48 <Eddi|zuHause> which was kind of a turning point in german involvement in afghanistan 23:53:17 <Eddi|zuHause> that was around a year ago, i think, and cost the "head" of the previous defense minister 23:53:39 <OwenS> The interesting thing is that at this point Afghanistan truely is a peace keeping mission 23:53:43 <Zuu> Katje_: Not sure if the town names will be the same each time though. When I use the 'restart' command, the town names change even if the map is the same as before. 23:54:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: that might be a bug 23:54:15 <OwenS> Or perhaps "Peace making" or "nation building" 23:54:22 <glx> Zuu: it should be the same unless number of town changed 23:54:49 <b_jonas> how does that work together with NATO? 23:55:24 <Eddi|zuHause> b_jonas: it caused problems e.g. in bosnia, and iraq 23:55:34 <Katje_> ok 23:55:37 <Katje_> thank you 23:56:55 <Eddi|zuHause> of course being against iraq war was one great way to get reelected back then :p 23:59:03 <Eddi|zuHause> nothing better suited to get reelected than inscenating a natural catastrophe and an instrumentalising an unwanted war ;)