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09:13:00 <andythenorth> morning 09:13:17 <Desrik> ok thx 09:13:31 <Markk> Isn't it more often? 09:14:04 <Desrik> i know the server list is updated on refresh but the actual game stats are less frequent 09:14:30 <Desrik> and im assuming that if my server shows up on that list then people will be able to connect? 09:21:52 *** Desrik_ [~chatzilla@c-71-229-41-140.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:25:10 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF879F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:25:58 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-094-216-037-139.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:26:31 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 09:27:48 *** Desrik [~chatzilla@c-71-229-41-140.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:27:50 *** Desrik_ is now known as Desrik 09:37:15 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75302.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:41:06 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75A23.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:42:05 <__ln__> http://kotaku.com/5550627/if-lucasarts-had-made-a-lost-gamein-1987/gallery/ 09:45:20 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:46:01 *** Desrik [~chatzilla@c-71-229-41-140.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 09:46:50 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 10:00:21 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 10:00:54 *** George is now known as Guest351 10:03:35 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:04:45 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:05:40 *** Guest341 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:49 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 10:14:11 * andythenorth ponders transport giant 10:17:27 <peter1138> nooooo! 10:17:31 *** SpComb [~terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 10:19:29 *** b_jonas [~x@dsl4E5C08C5.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 10:19:38 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 10:22:39 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 10:31:31 <andythenorth> peter1138: nice industry renders though :P 10:33:21 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:35:32 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.83.181] has joined #openttd 10:40:36 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:41:20 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... it says "you don't have the fucking registry keys! idiot!" 10:46:55 <peter1138> that's nice 10:49:03 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:51:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B91E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:03:14 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 11:05:19 *** b_jonas [~x@dsl4E5C08C5.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:13:07 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 11:16:57 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:19:56 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:27 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 11:22:01 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 11:30:19 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBA9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:38:01 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:38:39 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:44:42 * andythenorth blew up the game :P 11:45:11 <ptr> are you still looking for a Mac developer? 11:45:18 <ptr> /maintainer 11:45:26 <__ln__> i guess so 11:45:28 <planetmaker> there's none so far 11:45:33 <planetmaker> only words 11:46:08 <ptr> hm, okay 11:46:11 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d51f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:48:13 <ptr> I'm a developer, and I know stuff about Macs. I might be willing to contribute; but I need to do some more research into the code base etc before deciding 11:49:53 <__ln__> Ever compiled a Universal Binary? 11:49:54 <planetmaker> I guess the decision is rather done by doing than by "I want to" 11:50:19 <planetmaker> So if you consider it, consider fixing some of the OSX-related issues. 11:50:29 <ptr> __ln__: heh yea 11:50:45 <planetmaker> universal on 10.6 != universal on 10.4 11:51:19 <planetmaker> the first is only i386 and x64 while the latter is ppc, i386 and x64 11:51:25 <andythenorth> ptr: if you can actually achieve something you'll get our sincere thanks :) However quite a few people have offered to maintain the port then failed, so we're a bit jaded by the mac issue :o 11:51:34 <andythenorth> (posted from OS X) 11:51:41 <ptr> yeah that's why I'm a bit hesitant :) 11:52:07 <planetmaker> don't talk. Try and come back when you think you succeed in having gotten somewhere :-) 11:52:21 <ptr> fair enough 11:52:34 <ptr> is there a bug reporting software of some kind? with tasks that need to be done, etc? 11:52:45 <planetmaker> Of course, getting advice on the road on a decision whether approach a or approach b is better - that's always feasable :-) 11:52:53 <planetmaker> bugs.openttd.org 11:52:55 <planetmaker> search for osx 11:53:23 <ptr> "Game crashes when full screen is selected" :-) 11:53:23 <__ln__> Some volunteers have been clearly incompetent... 11:53:37 <planetmaker> hehe. yeah 11:54:06 <planetmaker> ptr, the problem with many of those issues is: they happen with some hardware, with some OS version, but not all 11:54:16 <ptr> __ln__: how so? 11:54:28 <ptr> planetmaker: fun stuff 11:54:38 <planetmaker> yeah. Otherwise it'd be easy actually. 11:54:57 <planetmaker> But I'm not competent enough to fix stuff I cannot reproduce. 11:54:58 <__ln__> One guy released an OS X binary with the copyrighted TTD files, for example. (Right?) 11:55:04 <planetmaker> yeah 11:55:07 <ptr> wow 11:56:30 <__ln__> ptr: see this, if you haven't already: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2782 11:56:38 <ptr> still, there are a couple of feature requests for os x 11:57:08 <planetmaker> well. The CJK characters might be a feature request - but it's something the other platforms supply 11:57:17 <planetmaker> In my perception that's the easiest issue to implement 11:57:43 <__ln__> ptr: ignore #3447 though, it's completely irrelevant 11:57:53 <planetmaker> yes, mostly 11:58:00 <planetmaker> It's mainly to prove a point ;-) 11:58:36 <planetmaker> #3648 most probably is not an OpenTTD issue but a coreaudio issue. 11:58:46 <planetmaker> but still 11:59:03 <planetmaker> playing it in the midi player / quicktime without openttd, it doesn't crash 11:59:24 <ptr> __ln__: yea SDL isn't used anymore, right? 11:59:26 <planetmaker> 3651 - no idea. Doesn't happen for me 11:59:40 <planetmaker> ptr, it's not the default video driver. It still can be configured. 11:59:55 <planetmaker> Read the report. That's what I did there. On purpose. To prove that SDL is no alternative 11:59:56 <__ln__> ptr: it hasn't been used for about 5 years on OS X. 12:00:17 <planetmaker> or rather that it has at least as many issues as cocoa and providing a native port 12:01:10 <planetmaker> 2585 - nice bug. I can reproduce it. partially. But alas... mind the blitter being used 12:02:49 <__ln__> The "Port hopelessly updated" bug has 5 open bugs, 1 of which is irrelevant, 1 of which is hard to reproduce, 1 which is a feature request... 2 left. 12:03:31 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/index.php?string=osx&project=1&search_name= has more OSX than 4 12:04:47 <planetmaker> I count 3 real bugs, 1 missing feature, two feature requests and one semi-bug (=SDL) 12:05:14 <ptr> so where would I start? It seems the OS X port is kinda working 12:05:32 <planetmaker> start whereever you want 12:06:21 <ptr> alright, I'll see if I manage to even build it all. :) 12:06:33 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:10:16 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10:50 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:1d52:be06:165a:5dbd] has joined #openttd 12:10:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:13:29 <andythenorth> ptr: it should build fine....I have no compiling knowledge and I build my own for 10.5. It 'just works' 12:14:23 <ptr> thanks, I never look forward to compiling a new project 12:14:24 <ptr> heh 12:18:06 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:34:06 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 12:35:33 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cd7c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:38:01 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... our president resigns... 12:38:31 <__ln__> what does the king say about that? 12:39:18 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d51f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:39:42 <planetmaker> ups?! 12:39:59 <planetmaker> that's a surprise indeed. 12:40:28 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:41:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe that's the first resignation of a german head of state since 1918 12:41:43 <planetmaker> at least since 1945 12:41:54 <Eddi|zuHause> that wasn't really a "resignation" ;) 12:41:59 *** Katje_ is now known as Kitty 12:42:43 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 12:42:47 <Eddi|zuHause> "fun fact": all of these were war related ;) 12:43:14 *** George is now known as Guest362 12:46:50 *** Guest351 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:41 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d1c6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:57 <Eddi|zuHause> what are the current majorities in the "Bundesversammlung" nowadays? 12:51:41 <Eddi|zuHause> NRW government still undecided, possibility of "Ampel" (red/yellow/green) returns 12:53:05 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cd7c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:01 <Eddi|zuHause> (although that's still a very vague possibility) 12:57:43 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 12:59:34 <SmatZ> was Hitler a president? 13:01:55 <__ln__> godwin's law! 13:01:55 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a little diffuse... theoretically he was chancellor 13:02:03 *** Guest362 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02:04 <Eddi|zuHause> hindenburg was president, until he died 13:02:13 <Eddi|zuHause> and the post was not reassigned 13:04:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure there were regulations on who takes up for the president... currently that's the "BundesratsprÀsident", i'm not sure how similar that is to the old rules 13:06:23 <Beklugas> hello 13:06:51 *** Beklugas is now known as Belugas 13:07:02 <Eddi|zuHause> "Das Kabinett Hitler setzte schon am 1. August, also dem Tag vor Hindenburgs Tod, eine Volksabstimmung ÃŒber die Zusammenlegung des Amtes des Reichskanzlers und des ReichsprÀsidenten in der Person des âFÃŒhrersâ Hitler fÃŒr den 19. August 1934 an." 13:08:41 <Rubidium> isn't this one war related too? 13:09:22 <planetmaker> there was no war at that time 13:09:33 *** George34 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 13:10:55 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:11:21 <Eddi|zuHause> there was no resignation either... 13:11:47 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 13:12:40 <__ln__> in finland a law like the one that allowed Hitler to gain power was approved just a few weeks ago. 13:12:54 <planetmaker> :-O 13:15:13 <__ln__> someone in the parliament pointed out the Hitler fact, and others said it's absurd to compare nazis and finnish politicians of the 2000's 13:19:35 *** Lapsus_ [~Lapsusant@H9.C206.cci.switchworks.net] has joined #openttd 13:21:17 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77314.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:23:08 *** Lapsus [~Lapsusant@H9.C206.cci.switchworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:25:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75302.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:23 <planetmaker> it's only as long absurd as no one's abusing it. 13:27:56 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:28:43 <__ln__> exactly 13:33:49 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:40:41 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 13:41:43 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:41:43 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:54 *** George34 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:46 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:46:37 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 13:47:14 *** George is now known as Guest369 13:54:40 *** Guest369 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:24 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 14:02:19 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 14:02:27 <zachanima> any current cargodist+iss patches? =3 14:02:54 <planetmaker> not more current cargodist than is running on our dev server 14:03:07 <planetmaker> infrastructure sharing: no 14:03:38 <planetmaker> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cargodist/g17340e3e 14:04:13 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 14:04:29 <zachanima> sounds nice though 14:04:31 <zachanima> thanks 14:07:07 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.27.210] has joined #openttd 14:17:08 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.27.210] has quit [] 14:18:50 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3E91.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:19:34 <Sacro> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1705008/simple-proof-that-guid-is-not-unique 14:22:07 <zachanima> has ISS died by the way? 14:22:20 <peter1138> international space station? 14:22:50 <zachanima> Infrastructure Sharing 14:23:01 <zachanima> I was of the impression that was the de facto abbreviation 14:24:08 <PeterT> IS. 14:24:10 <PeterT> or IS2 14:24:13 <zachanima> aha 14:24:14 <PeterT> zachanima: it's not died 14:24:22 <PeterT> we run a server 14:24:26 <PeterT> at #jolteon 14:24:31 <zachanima> hmm 14:24:41 <zachanima> I was thinking development of it 14:24:51 <PeterT> oh 14:24:58 <PeterT> Hirundo: has is2 died? 14:25:13 <PeterT> zachanima: somewhat 14:25:48 <planetmaker> mostly. 14:26:01 <planetmaker> Missing some good ideas for a few issues. 14:26:28 <zachanima> hmm 14:26:29 <zachanima> I see 14:28:28 *** George34 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 14:30:53 <Hirundo> PeterT: Consider it to be in hibernation 14:30:54 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:07 <PeterT> ok :-) 14:31:58 *** snorre_ [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 14:33:45 *** snorre [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:35:05 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38:54 <planetmaker> hibernation sounds much more positive ;-) 14:39:03 <PeterT> hehe 14:46:56 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #openttd [] 14:50:45 <ccfreak2k> IS++ 14:51:35 <PeterT> ccfreak2k++ 15:00:06 *** IPG [~chatzilla@bestbeni.martos.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 15:07:42 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 15:16:15 *** Kovensky [~kovensky@72.14.179.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:16:38 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:30:05 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> charon.oftc.net quits: jonty-comp, XeryusTC, @Rubidium, guru3, __ln__, SmatZ, Coldice, jack, PierreW, Hirundo, (+8 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 15:33:49 *** Foolish [~Fool1980@88-202-52-13.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined #openttd 15:34:02 <Foolish> Hey 15:36:57 *** Foolish [~Fool1980@88-202-52-13.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [] 15:40:16 *** Netsplit over, joins: SpComb, tycoondemon, Coldice, PierreW, andythenorth, Lachie, Priski, guru3, @DorpsGek, Hirundo (+8 more) 15:40:42 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 15:43:03 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-72-20.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:52:20 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:55:01 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:05:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B91E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:15 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1B91E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:05:30 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 16:34:34 *** DX_Ipad [Dreamxtrem@client-86-27-26-146.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:34:34 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-86-27-26-146.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:38 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:37 *** Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has joined #openttd 16:40:10 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52:26 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 16:53:03 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f664f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:09 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3E91.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 16:54:36 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:02:39 *** b_jonas [~x@dsl4E5C08C5.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 17:10:01 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 17:16:25 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 17:24:56 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaa5c3.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:37:53 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-212-60.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has joined #openttd 17:38:48 *** jova2012 [~jova2012@p54ACEE2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:41:08 *** jova2012 [~jova2012@p54ACEE2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 17:45:33 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r19913 /trunk/src/lang/czech.txt: 17:45:33 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:33 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: czech - 12 changes by Hadez 17:53:06 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:02:27 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 18:17:54 <__ln__> long term support: http://www.space-travel.com/reports/NASA_Fixes_Bug_On_Voyager_2_999.html 18:19:30 <SpComb> I wouldn't want to hit the reset button on something 13 light-hours away 18:21:48 *** Lapsus_ is now known as Lapsus 18:22:37 <Noldo_> on site 18:28:48 <SpComb> they should have opted for the remote-hands service 18:50:17 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.27.210] has joined #openttd 18:50:53 *** NGP [~NGP@x1-6-00-1f-33-aa-04-20.k76.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 18:51:46 <NGP> How do i buy like a flight or a bus ? 18:53:28 <Noldo_> airplanes are bought from hangars and busses from road vehicle depot 18:54:12 <__ln__> *buses 18:54:20 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaa5c3.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:54:21 <NGP> Do i need to built a hangar, have already built a airport ? 18:55:31 <NGP> got i now 18:55:59 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 18:57:49 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9cc4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:02:04 <NGP> If i start my own game, will i then need to ad computerplayers or will they just come 19:03:44 <__ln__> de kommer automatiskt om du inte disablerar datorspelare. 19:03:51 <PeterT> English only 19:04:04 <PeterT> :-P 19:04:24 <__ln__> it's almost english. 19:04:32 <PeterT> you're almost english. 19:05:02 <ptr> lök 19:05:41 <NGP> any idea of how long it will take 19:06:41 <planetmaker> NGP: it depends upon how you set it... 19:07:14 <b_jonas> NGP: you have to set them up in the dialogs when you start the game, and, before that, in the AI settings dialog of the main menu 19:07:28 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-253.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:07:45 <b_jonas> NGP: it does take some time for them to launch so even if you have set everything up correctly you may have to wait a few years for them to appear 19:07:49 <b_jonas> depeding on the settings 19:10:06 <b_jonas> NGP: if you've never played TT before, and don't understand how building transport lines work, you may want to look at http://wiki.openttd.org/Tutorial 19:16:49 <PeterT> somebody is hosting a cargodist is2 server using ipv6 D: 19:17:25 <peter1138> heh 19:18:23 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 19:18:40 * PeterT is stubborn and will try to connect anywy 19:18:43 <PeterT> anway* 19:18:45 <PeterT> fail. 19:18:48 <PeterT> anyway* 19:24:11 <__ln__> PeterT: English only 19:24:36 <PeterT> but, but...I was speaking american english! 19:25:17 <NGP> Have played the very old tt and locomotion and this is just a little different 19:25:47 *** Wasila [~Wasila@81-178-69-164.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 19:26:00 <NGP> when new companies start up the keep going bankrupt 19:26:30 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-120-128.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:27:02 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-212-60.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 19:29:57 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9cc4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:17 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9cc4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:31:48 <NGP> Why do new companies go bankrupt when starting up ? 19:31:56 <PeterT> because the players suck 19:32:26 <b_jonas> they don't go bankrupt for me, but then I'm playing on not too hard difficulty now, and I'm getting rich too fast as well 19:32:49 <NGP> okay thx 19:35:03 <Wasila> It's easy to avoid bankruptcy 19:35:14 <Wasila> Just always leave 10k or so to borrow in case of an emergency 19:38:28 <NGP> no matter what i do the other players keep going bankrupt, anyone who have an idea for me what to do ? 19:38:53 <Lapsus> NGP: Send them money :D 19:40:14 <NGP> i dont even get to see them start up before a get a message about they are bankrupt 19:42:21 <Lapsus> increase the max loan to 00000? 19:42:40 <Lapsus> or 500000 pounds, or whatever the equivalent is in your favourite currency 19:43:40 *** Wasila [~Wasila@81-178-69-164.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:45:07 <b_jonas> next game I'll play with more difficult settings. I guess I only set it easy for this game because this is my first in openttd. 19:45:52 <b_jonas> it's only 1983 and I'm buying the staues now 19:53:12 <b_jonas> I'll have to learn how to do passenger transportation. Even in ttd and ttdpatch I do goods and oil transport much better, and do the passenger trains in a bit ad hoc way, so I feel like I could improve a lot. 19:53:40 <b_jonas> What's the secret to transporting passengers (either with train or with airplane)? 19:54:37 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:00:00 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:06:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B91E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17:04 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 20:17:34 <b_jonas> is it worth to make the passenger train station and airport a single station to maintain a higher rating? 20:18:16 <planetmaker> depends upon how you use it. 20:23:09 <b_jonas> on one hand, I'm happy high bridges and extended building under bridges is enabled in the release, because that will help me cross these ai roads here. 20:23:09 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: frosch * r19914 /trunk/ (19 files in 6 dirs): -Codechange: Wrap a helper class around temporary assignments of _current_company to ensure proper restoration. 20:23:31 <b_jonas> on the other hand, it makes me sad too because I guess it means that signals on bridges won't be easy to implement 20:32:54 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 20:36:23 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-136-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:49:49 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 20:55:39 <NGP> how do i sell a part of my company ? 20:55:55 *** Lapsus [~Lapsusant@H9.C206.cci.switchworks.net] has quit [] 20:57:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B91E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:58:54 <Belugas> you cannot 20:59:10 <NGP> sad 21:00:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f664f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:03 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9cc4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:02:06 <planetmaker> why would you need that, NGP ? It's a game about transport. Not about stocks etc pp 21:02:15 <Belugas> he nesds cash ;) 21:03:02 <Belugas> needs 21:03:07 <Belugas> not... that 21:03:18 <Belugas> see you, i'm running home! 21:06:43 <PeterT> Belugas :-) 21:10:18 *** NGP [~NGP@x1-6-00-1f-33-aa-04-20.k76.webspeed.dk] has left #openttd [] 21:11:53 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:12:32 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4C8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:16:30 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:30 *** Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: kthxbai] 21:23:28 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:34:44 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 21:36:27 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4C8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:37:46 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:43:40 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d9c1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:45:36 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleeps.] 21:46:24 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c171.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:48:48 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d1c6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:31 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 21:51:48 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d9c1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:55:17 *** b_jonas [~x@dsl4E5C08C5.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:06:18 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:19 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 22:15:39 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 22:18:26 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... possible scenario: if they choose the ministerpresident of Nordrhein-Westphalen JÃŒrgen RÃŒttgers to become the new federal president, they could have an SPD-lead "great coalition" in NRW... 22:26:31 <__ln__> according to wikipedia, it's "North Rhine-Westphalia" 22:31:55 <planetmaker> in English. In German it's Nordrhein-Westfalen 22:32:30 <planetmaker> English people spell differently many German place names 22:35:29 <Rubidium> Brunswick? :) 22:44:22 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:44:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B91E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:44:55 <Eddi|zuHause> the name "Ostfalen" disappeared over the centuries... 22:44:56 <Rubidium> planetmaker: have you heard about gcc's plans to drop objc++ support? That would effectively drop OpenTTD for Mac support with new compilers all-together :) 22:45:16 <planetmaker> I haven't 22:45:32 <planetmaker> that'd be... sad 22:45:35 <planetmaker> why would they? 22:45:44 <PeterT> I'm guessing it wouldn't be easy to use an older version of gcc? 22:46:16 <Rubidium> "The Obj-C++ front end is effectively unmaintained, and has virtually 22:46:16 <Rubidium> no serious users. I propose to remove it from GCC. 22:46:53 <Rubidium> http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2010-05/msg00387.html for more 22:47:31 <Eddi|zuHause> and what about Obj-C? 22:47:59 <Rubidium> objc isn't such a hack as objc++ 22:48:10 <Eddi|zuHause> and would it be feasible to "downgrade" the mac specific parts to that language? 22:48:40 <planetmaker> Not quite sure, but the API is in objc++ IIRC 22:48:52 <planetmaker> but maybe it was only objc 22:49:20 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: not sure about that. The objc -> c++ "API" is abysmal at best. 22:49:36 <Rubidium> problem of objectc++ is multiple inheritance 22:50:07 <Rubidium> objc extends c; c++ extends c; objectc++ extends objc, c++ 22:52:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know how objc differs from c at all... 22:52:57 <Rubidium> [obj method: argument]; 22:53:16 <Rubidium> that would be what is obj->method(argument); in C++ 22:54:43 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:58 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:00:56 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:52 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 23:02:41 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:28 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has left #openttd [] 23:12:00 <__ln__> 01:31 < planetmaker> in English. In German it's Nordrhein-Westfalen <-- which is not what Eddi wrote 23:13:28 <planetmaker> he got it wrong ;-) 23:14:13 <planetmaker> and ph and f can be pronounced the same in German. And sometimes the older script writes ph where nowadays we write f 23:14:18 <planetmaker> Like Foto 23:14:53 <Ammler> Stefan 23:15:34 <__ln__> Schiphphphahrt 23:16:19 <planetmaker> not that ;-) 23:18:58 *** IPG [~chatzilla@bestbeni.martos.bme.hu] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 23:20:44 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-72-20.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:22:51 <__ln__> I think that removal of ObjC++ from GCC thing pasted by Rubidium is a no-issue from OpenTTD's perspective. 23:24:55 <__ln__> Because it most certainly will not be removed from Apple's version of GCC, and I doubt there's Obj-C++ code in OTTD that is not OSX-specific. 23:27:07 <planetmaker> probably yeah 23:43:33 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: i don't think i have ever seen a "double-ph" :p 23:44:11 <Eddi|zuHause> ph is mostly in greek-derived words... but names are always somewhat special 23:44:43 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-136-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:45:56 <Eddi|zuHause> the last spelling reform tried to replace a few "ph"s by "f"s 23:46:59 <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't think "Filosofie" works that well :p 23:50:33 <__ln__> doesn't look that bad 23:50:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:52:20 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBA9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... 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