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07:34:58 <andythenorth> nvm, fixed 07:54:27 <planetmaker> peter1138: I think that the tunnel sprites for rail types need two additional sprites 07:54:45 <planetmaker> only an overlay doesn't do it as there'll be always wall which will be behind the train for two of the directions 07:55:08 <planetmaker> thus those directions need two overlays, one before and one behind the train sprite(s) 07:55:19 <planetmaker> like current base set tunnels do as well. 07:55:54 <planetmaker> and as no one yet uses it to my knowledge, it's not a big compatibility issue either 07:56:42 <Terkhen> good morning 07:57:17 <planetmaker> moin Terkhen 08:00:06 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3D57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:02:21 <peter1138> planetmaker, the wall is already provided, no? 08:02:40 <planetmaker> by what? 08:02:50 <peter1138> by the base graphics 08:03:23 <peter1138> wall & tunnel graphics are set by the base graphics set 08:03:32 <peter1138> the rail type just overlays the track 08:04:33 <planetmaker> hm... 08:04:48 <planetmaker> so how would I provide different tunnel entrance sprites? By actionA only? 08:04:49 <__ln__> http://static.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/peinejuttu1706MZ_503_ul.jpg 08:04:54 <peter1138> you can't 08:05:00 <peter1138> because they're landscape specific 08:05:42 <planetmaker> yes, I know they are. Somewhat. I could provide landscape-unspecific sprites 08:06:43 <planetmaker> but help my understanding a bit more: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/authors/script.php?feature=spritesbyfile&q=ogfx1_base shows all base sprites 08:06:48 <planetmaker> (mind it's a big site) 08:07:00 <planetmaker> sprites 2365+ define the tunnel sprites 08:07:26 <planetmaker> so the 4 railtype tunnel sprites define exactly what? 08:07:34 <peter1138> the track 08:07:45 <planetmaker> again? 08:08:14 <planetmaker> I mean... the track is defined with overlay and underlay... what kind of track is different in a tunnel? 08:08:30 <peter1138> well 08:08:34 <peter1138> it's different 08:08:38 <peter1138> because it might be shaded 08:08:55 <planetmaker> good point 08:08:56 <peter1138> due to being in shadow 08:09:29 <planetmaker> so that track piece os drawn over the back of the tunnel(s) 08:09:38 <planetmaker> then the train, then the front of the tunnels 08:11:09 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:12:45 <peter1138> something like that 08:12:47 <peter1138> it may not work 08:14:17 <planetmaker> ok, but we'll see. Now I know how those four sprites are meant to be used 08:14:49 <planetmaker> thanks for clearing that up for me 08:15:50 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:15:52 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 08:17:04 <planetmaker> I assumed wrongly their use as tunnel sprites as opposed to tunnel track sprites :-) 08:18:41 <planetmaker> I elaborated a bit (more) in the newgrf wiki 08:20:23 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:26:21 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:28:32 <planetmaker> is the mulitplayer mode yes/no available for newgrfs? 08:29:01 <peter1138> huh? 08:33:50 <planetmaker> well. There's no base-set independent way to define tunnel sprites 08:34:07 <planetmaker> thus I want to ignore a parameter related to that, if it's a MP game 08:34:25 <planetmaker> But for SP I'd like to provide a switch for TTD or OpenGFX-base set compatible tunnel sprites 08:34:53 <peter1138> ... 08:34:56 <peter1138> well 08:35:09 <peter1138> that's the whole point of only specifying the track 08:35:13 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:35:30 <planetmaker> yes. The track 08:35:48 <planetmaker> But I cannot provide tunnel sprites without considering the base set in use 08:36:12 <planetmaker> I got that now. But it means I cannot define tunnel sprites without knowing the base set in use. 08:36:13 <peter1138> ah 08:36:15 <peter1138> indeed, no 08:36:28 <planetmaker> a pity :-) 08:37:40 <peter1138> backing up 1GB files at 2MB/s is tiresome :( 08:38:22 <__ln__> http://www.rtl.de/cms/information/rtlaktuell/news.html?set_id=48818 08:39:47 <__ln__> "Die vielbefahrene Strecke Braunschweig-Hannover bleibt mindestens bis Montag gesperrt." 08:40:07 <planetmaker> trallalala... 08:40:21 <planetmaker> sounds pretty bad :S 08:40:40 <planetmaker> it's about 30km from here 08:40:47 <peter1138> yeah, unreadable gibberish 08:41:59 <peter1138> "We have been sitting in the room and as it has gerummst. I have quite a few here and rausgeholt through my garden here led to the street" 08:42:04 <peter1138> yes yes 08:42:19 <peter1138> "I have a few minutes trying aufzubekommen the door and I first started" 08:42:25 <peter1138> germans never make sense! 08:42:42 <planetmaker> :-P English fail at foreign languages it seems ;-) 08:43:17 <planetmaker> the translator seems pretty bad. No really uncommon words there 08:43:25 <peter1138> i learnt french, more useful 08:43:30 <peter1138> they have nice wine & stuff 08:43:43 <peter1138> (i'll pretend it still know any of it, hehe) 08:44:08 <SpComb> almost another bridge-trick 08:46:31 <planetmaker> Ce n'est pas trÚs facile, peter1138 :-P 08:46:56 <planetmaker> Encore, changerais la langue d'ici ;-) 08:47:40 <peter1138> it is not very... something :p 08:48:02 <peter1138> easy 08:48:03 <peter1138> hah 08:48:07 <planetmaker> facile? :-) 08:48:19 <planetmaker> hehe 08:49:04 *** peter1138 changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.0.1, 1.0.2-RC1 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Speak French Day | Don't ask to ask, just ask 08:49:18 <__ln__> bonsoir merci voilà 08:49:18 <SpComb> so, how do you detect a derailed train and warn oncomig trains? 08:49:30 <peter1138> oui oui 08:50:05 <peter1138> je ne sais pas, spcomb 08:50:43 <fjb> Moin 08:50:57 <peter1138> bonjour 08:54:24 <fjb> French day today? 08:55:03 <peter1138> i just declared it 08:55:21 <__ln__> c'est un sensor, ne pas toucher 08:56:35 <planetmaker> peter1138: seems to work quite nicely with the tunnels. But indeed they need their own track sprites, the default track sprites look a bit strange 08:56:58 <peter1138> i'd imagine they draw through the ground 08:57:17 <peter1138> i, uh, didn't really test it might 08:57:20 <peter1138> -might+much 08:57:44 <planetmaker> yes, the tunnel sprites need to supply some kind of underlay, too so that the default track is over-painted 08:58:03 <planetmaker> but they need to provide shadowing, too and their sleepers should not extend over the wall ;-) 08:58:43 <peter1138> *nod* 08:59:02 <planetmaker> http://img.openttdcoop.org/images/policehqh.png 08:59:18 <planetmaker> ^ that's how it looks with my default sprites (combined underlay + tracks) 08:59:43 <planetmaker> I'll have to push Irwe to provide dedicated sprites there 08:59:51 <peter1138> that's not *too* bad 08:59:57 <peter1138> but yeah, needs to go darker 09:00:08 <planetmaker> nope, not too bad. And the snow should go a bit deep in the tunnel 09:00:14 <peter1138> aye 09:00:15 <peter1138> hmm 09:00:22 <peter1138> what's with the bloody mess? heh 09:01:23 <planetmaker> hu? 09:01:31 <planetmaker> oh, you mean the tracks there? 09:01:38 <planetmaker> It's just my track type testing savegame 09:01:47 <planetmaker> having many things visible at one glance 09:01:55 <peter1138> nah, the red blob in the middle 09:02:02 <peter1138> error highlight marker 09:02:40 <planetmaker> yes. I cannot build a rail there with that slope 09:02:48 <planetmaker> mouse cursor with rail building tool enabled 09:03:13 <planetmaker> or rather rail removal tool 09:30:13 *** egladil [~egladil@s83-191-244-232.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:50:20 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c5c6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:51:58 <__ln__> i guess someone at DB is assigned to figuring out how to get from Hannover to Braunschweig on saturday 09:52:44 <planetmaker> probably. If all fails, there'll be replacement busses. 09:53:04 <planetmaker> don't you come from Berlin, though? 09:53:30 <__ln__> nope, I come from Hannover but leave from Berlin 09:53:39 <planetmaker> ah. Just vice versa than Zuu :-P 09:53:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-54-16.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 09:53:44 <__ln__> yeah :) 09:54:27 <planetmaker> http://www.bahn.de/blitz/view/niedersa/uebersicht.shtml <-- __ln__ 09:54:41 <__ln__> got a cheaper return flight from Berlin, and besides haven't been to Berlin yet. 09:55:11 <__ln__> danke 09:55:28 <planetmaker> can you read it? 09:55:56 <__ln__> yes 09:56:11 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:57:08 <planetmaker> ok, I can also read arabic. The question is whether I'd understand it :-P 09:58:09 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 09:59:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75F1C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:59:26 <__ln__> fÃŒnf jahre deutsch in der schule, ich erinnere mich noch etwas. 10:00:01 <Eddi|zuHause> that's better than me with 4 years french... 10:07:51 <Eddi|zuHause> of course i wasn't in france for 10 years... 10:38:12 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.250.146] has joined #openttd 10:40:48 <Eddi|zuHause> 10:59:02 <planetmaker> http://img.openttdcoop.org/images/policehqh.png <-- something is wrong with the foundations near the snow line... 10:41:21 <Eddi|zuHause> with the roads, it doesn't show snow at all, and with the rails, it shows snow on the ground tile, but no snow on the rail overlay 10:42:20 <planetmaker> nothing I can do about... 10:42:34 <planetmaker> but indeed 10:43:59 <Ammler> yeah, looks silly, snow in the tunnel, but not on the tracks after it 10:44:21 <planetmaker> well... that's a matter of how the tile height is defined 10:44:51 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3883?project=1&order=id&sort=desc <-- I opened this bug report for related discussion :-) 10:44:58 <planetmaker> but I have no good solution(s) 10:45:21 <Ammler> the missing snow on the road foundations might be a openttd bug... 10:45:59 <Ammler> or is that different with original base set? 10:47:47 <Ammler> seems like foundations use the level from bottom instead the "real" level they are thanks to foundations 10:51:14 <peter1138> probably 10:51:46 <peter1138> you could fix it :D 10:52:37 <Ammler> oh, you reported the issue 10:53:16 <Ammler> @commit 12098 10:53:18 <DorpsGek> Ammler: Commit by smatz :: r12098 /trunk/src (rail_cmd.cpp rail_map.h) (2008-02-10 11:35:05 UTC) 10:53:19 <DorpsGek> Ammler: -Fix: make snow appear on rail tiles dependant on track height, not on height of the lowest part of the tile 10:54:01 <Ammler> so you reverted that commit again? 10:55:14 <planetmaker> hm, indeed, it doesn't seem to work 10:55:59 *** Wizzleby [locke@204-74-213-37.take2hosting.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:56:41 <planetmaker> well. The rail type uses the lowest corner, not the height it is built upon - unlike the snow - awareness of the ground tile used 10:57:02 <planetmaker> For roads it uses the lowest corner - unlike for rail sprites 10:57:05 *** Wizzleby [locke@204-74-213-37.take2hosting.com] has joined #openttd 10:57:25 <Ammler> well, on your screen, it works partially for rails 10:57:41 <Ammler> it has snow on side but not between the tracks 10:58:01 <Ammler> like it has on non-foundation tiles 11:03:10 <planetmaker> yes. But ground tiles and tracks are different sprites 11:03:20 <planetmaker> so they obviously determine their height differently 11:03:30 <peter1138> should be easy to fix 11:03:39 <peter1138> apply r12098 to whatever new bits i added 11:03:47 <planetmaker> :-) 11:03:47 <peter1138> get to it, ammler 11:03:59 <planetmaker> @openttd r12098 11:04:04 <planetmaker> @openttd commit 12098 11:04:11 <planetmaker> hm 11:04:12 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Commit by smatz :: r12098 /trunk/src (rail_cmd.cpp rail_map.h) (2008-02-10 11:35:05 UTC) 11:04:13 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: -Fix: make snow appear on rail tiles dependant on track height, not on height of the lowest part of the tile 11:04:22 <planetmaker> damn. No link :-( 11:09:26 <Ammler> peter1138: imo, not just a bug from you, seems also for example buggy on road foundations..., maybe a generic foundation bug 11:10:04 <SmatZ> r12098 could be buggy 11:10:12 <SmatZ> maybe it doesn't work as expected... 11:10:23 <SmatZ> it worked in the cases I tested 11:10:34 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 11:10:53 <Ammler> SmatZ: you might have fixed it for rails only 11:11:19 <Ammler> and on that time, there were no rails overlay, iirc :-) 11:11:44 <SmatZ> yeah, it worked only for rails 11:12:18 <SmatZ> the most visible issue was track on the higher part of a steep slope 11:18:25 <planetmaker> most notably there were no rail types, yes 11:18:41 <planetmaker> and that's the issue we see. It might work with just ground tiles 11:18:53 <planetmaker> that's what it looks like :-) 11:22:34 <peter1138> yeah the "is it snow" code for railtype overlay is in the varaction2 resolver 11:41:16 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FEEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:41:30 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FEEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:47:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C1FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:57 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:acb3:4aea:2ebd:4717] has joined #openttd 12:08:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:25:38 *** Yexo [~Yexo@183-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 12:25:54 *** Yexo [~Yexo@183-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 12:26:32 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:35:23 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF886B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:35:42 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-172-215.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 12:41:15 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 12:43:15 *** Max| [~Max@c83-253-96-194.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 12:50:17 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has joined #openttd 13:00:05 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-172-215.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:01:00 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-172-215.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 13:06:05 <Belugas> helloi 13:06:43 <peter1138> salut 13:16:31 <Belugas> bonne journee peter. Ca vas bien ce matin? ou cet apres-midi, pour toi 13:20:02 <peter1138> afternoon indeed 13:20:16 <peter1138> j'ai faim 13:20:50 <__ln__> qu'est-ce que 13:24:27 <Belugas> Bois du café! Penses pas a la bouffe! 13:24:28 <planetmaker> hungry 13:24:44 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:25:03 <__ln__> le hungry 13:26:01 <__ln__> they actualky call quarter-pounder with cheese a royale with cheese in france 13:26:23 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:26:26 <__ln__> but the argument about metric system doesn't hold with other countries 13:27:14 *** James [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:27:47 *** James is now known as Guest308 13:30:29 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:05 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:56 <VVG> Hello 13:42:54 <VVG> I have an autoreplace order which i can't undo. It's been done in some past save i don't have anymore, now replace gui shows that vehicles aren't being replcaed, but they are, when visiting depot. I can't find a way to stop it. 13:44:03 <Eddi|zuHause> might be an individual group replacement 13:44:22 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:45:27 <VVG> hmm 13:45:50 <VVG> that group i actually wanted replaced was replaced long ago and since then i deleted that group 13:47:03 <VVG> found the problem, thx 13:47:17 <VVG> didn't think it's done per group 13:47:32 <VVG> i had ungroped group ordered with autoreplace 13:55:45 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9367.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:14:49 <VVG> Is it possible to turn off "train profit was xxx" messages but still have "train is lost" messages on? 14:23:50 *** Yrol_Denjeah [~SomeOne@hmbg-5f776ee9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:28:41 *** snc [~snc@ip10.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:36:38 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, in advanced settings->vehicles->warn when vehicle has negative profit 14:42:50 *** snc [~snc@ip10.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 15:02:15 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06:23 <VVG> thanks! 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i need to save 3 bytes from my newgrf! 18:46:35 <peter1138> hehe 18:46:42 <Yexo> in that case I'll gladly refer you back to nfo :p 18:46:45 <peter1138> generic buffers uses it 18:47:59 <planetmaker> I hardly ever needed to define the same thing for a whole range of items only and nothing else which didn't differ 18:55:27 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.14.216] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 18:57:45 *** Max| [~Max@c83-253-96-194.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 18:58:15 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.14.216] has joined #openttd 19:00:03 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-200-013.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:02:02 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:03:26 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-140-169.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:38 *** zachanim1 [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 19:07:35 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:07:45 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 19:08:35 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:21:01 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:22:46 <andythenorth> FIRS 914 19:22:53 <andythenorth> maybe I can make 1k by Saturday :P 19:24:23 <Alberth> @calc (1000-914) / 3 19:24:23 <DorpsGek> Alberth: 28.6666666667 19:34:00 <andythenorth> FIRS 920 19:42:09 * andythenorth is clustering mines 19:42:17 <andythenorth> not sure if Sand / Gravel Pits should cluster 19:42:31 <andythenorth> they are large, and tend to cluster on the map anyway due to needing flat land 19:43:45 <Terkhen> I agree on that, they cluster already 19:44:21 <planetmaker> they don't need to cluster (more) 19:46:31 <Eddi|zuHause> have i mentioned that i don't like the gravel pits? 19:47:20 <Eddi|zuHause> my understanding of a gravel pit is more what pikka is doing 19:47:52 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:48:47 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:51:28 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 19:51:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 20:00:22 *** Osai [~Osai@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 20:01:12 *** Osai [~Osai@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 20:04:02 <fjb> Cluster them around rivers. :-) 20:06:01 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.242.71] has joined #openttd 20:08:23 *** rhaeder2 [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-143-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:11:05 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-200-013.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:28 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.158.135] has joined #openttd 20:14:05 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.242.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the speak french day doesn't cause them much luck... 20:19:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5d06.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:31:30 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: the problem is that I don't want to draw proper quarrries 20:31:40 <andythenorth> the bauxite and iron ore mine have the same issue :P 20:33:49 <andythenorth> hmm 20:34:06 <andythenorth> is it likely there will be a TTDP implementation of nml? 20:34:45 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 20:35:05 <planetmaker> andythenorth: NML supports newgrf specs 20:35:15 <planetmaker> you can code newgrfs with it just as with NFO 20:35:16 <andythenorth> so separate project 20:35:19 <andythenorth> ok 20:35:21 <andythenorth> makes sense 20:35:22 <planetmaker> why would you? 20:35:24 <andythenorth> I was thinking wrong 20:35:45 <planetmaker> same as before. Just use if (ttd_platform == TTDPATCH) { blubber } else { blah } 20:36:19 <planetmaker> like in my opening posting :-) 20:36:28 <planetmaker> the code should show that both are supported ;-) 20:41:15 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.250.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:15 <Wolf01> 'night 20:48:22 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host226-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:50:12 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5d06.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:31 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.250.146] has joined #openttd 20:58:15 * andythenorth is baffled by advanced varaction 2 21:00:15 * andythenorth unbaffles self 21:01:38 * andythenorth solves clustering for mines 21:01:52 <andythenorth> but it looks about the same as the default placement routine :P 21:03:32 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you should increase the spread (in numbers to generate) between primary and secondary industries 21:04:10 <Eddi|zuHause> if the average cluster size is 3, and you might want 2 clusters per secondary industry, you should maybe create 6 ore mines for each steel mill 21:05:17 <andythenorth> maybe 21:05:21 <andythenorth> it's plausible 21:05:41 <andythenorth> but the numbers of industries generated aren't under my control to that extent 21:05:50 <andythenorth> the random generation is unfathomable 21:05:57 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, you can set the ratio 21:06:03 <Eddi|zuHause> roughly 21:06:35 <andythenorth> it's very rough, and frosch explained it to me once, it made sense, but has the potential to produce unexpected results 21:07:01 <andythenorth> the scaling by map size is also currently bizarre 21:08:43 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but it shouldn't change the ratios 21:08:49 <andythenorth> true 21:09:29 <andythenorth> I wouldn't rule out some tweaks to get good ratios of secondary : primary 21:09:45 <andythenorth> there's also distance to consider 21:10:06 <planetmaker> I wouln't bother about distances 21:10:16 <andythenorth> I meant that a surfeit of secondary can be useful to prevent insane distances from primary to seconday 21:10:21 <andythenorth> secondary /s 21:10:48 <andythenorth> fewer secondary on the map = higher chance of insane distance 21:12:33 <planetmaker> there's no insane distance on any map size 21:13:13 <planetmaker> it might happen to be large for a single primary -> secondary type. But not for all 21:13:20 <planetmaker> And when I have money, I prefer the long routes 21:13:32 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i agree with planetmaker 21:13:39 <planetmaker> Chines manufacturers may be far away, but they're cheap :-P 21:13:42 <planetmaker> +e 21:13:49 <Eddi|zuHause> it makes for more variation on which cargo to start with 21:14:13 <Eddi|zuHause> besides i usually start with passengers anyway ;) 21:14:17 <planetmaker> :-) 21:14:45 <Eddi|zuHause> there's always a large city which can sustain a tram network 21:14:57 <Eddi|zuHause> makes for low but steady income without large investment 21:17:03 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i have a feeling ntfs-3g corrupts my files... 21:17:59 <andythenorth> FIRS 929 :) 21:18:10 <andythenorth> and everything is a valid commit, no stupidly atomic changes :) 21:19:24 * andythenorth blew up the game 21:21:21 <Eddi|zuHause> as long as you have not lost the game ;) 21:21:49 <andythenorth> I just lost the game 21:22:00 <andythenorth> I believe you just cheated :P 21:26:48 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:31:36 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:33:17 * andythenorth wonders whether to make clustering optional 21:34:57 <planetmaker> no need IMHO. As long as not everything clusters :-) 21:36:34 <andythenorth> makes minimap look kind of funky :P 21:36:55 <andythenorth> I'm going to use the same code to anti-cluster secondary industries 21:37:08 <andythenorth> players will still be able to cluster them if desired of course 21:48:38 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 21:49:24 <Terkhen> good night 21:51:21 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF886B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:05 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 22:07:05 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:17:02 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.14.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:18:46 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 22:31:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C1FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:43 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:45:40 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9367.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... 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