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00:00:48 <fjb> Every thing is easy to implement. You only have to compare it to the right job. :-) 00:01:36 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 00:01:44 <Anderus> i mean, i know the password that i set, it just won't fit in the password box 00:02:40 <glx> Anderus: how long is it? 00:02:43 <Anderus> but it did when i typed it 00:03:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Anderus: there are two ways to remove passwords, first one is saving the game and restarting the server, second one is using the "autoclean" options (dangerous) 00:03:09 <Anderus> 23 chars 00:03:25 <Anderus> dang :( 00:03:27 <Yexo> Anderus: open the consoloe, then type "join <companyid> <password>" 00:03:30 <Yexo> tha tmight work 00:03:55 <Anderus> that worked! thank you! 00:04:54 <fjb> Hier werden sie geholfen. 00:06:00 <glx> ,...,...,...,...,...ShowQueryString(STR_EMPTY, STR_NETWORK_NEED_COMPANY_PASSWORD_CAPTION, 20, 180, this, CS_ALPHANUMERAL, QSF_NONE); <-- indeed 23 is too much for the GUI 00:06:17 <glx> :) 00:06:31 <Anderus> haha 00:07:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i always thought the openttd string limits are ridiculously small 00:07:58 <fjb> Especially the group names. 00:08:06 <Eddi|zuHause> like for train and group names 00:08:17 <TruePikachu> I still want to get this working here for the time being 00:10:30 * fjb also wants a lot of things. 00:10:47 <ccfreak2k> Eddi|zuHause, they're just stringing you along. 00:10:56 <Eddi|zuHause> like if i want to name road vehicle groups in the scheme "<City> - <Line> - <Start>-<Via>-<End>" it often won't fit 00:11:25 <TruePikachu> I know that TW won't help one bit 00:11:39 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20012 /trunk/src/ (company_gui.cpp network/network_gui.cpp): -Fix: when joining a company with a password you could only enter 20 characters of the password 00:12:02 <fjb> You only know if you tried. 00:12:23 <TruePikachu> My mom tried when the modem turned off the DHCP server 00:12:39 <TruePikachu> They sent 5 techs over, and none of them could find the problem 00:12:56 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 00:13:04 <TruePikachu> I simply assign a static IP address, get into the settings, and re-enable the DHCP 00:13:25 <glx> I guess we need at least http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/password.diff 00:13:47 <glx> oh Yexo was faster 00:13:49 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:14:16 <TruePikachu> Oh, and I have a pressing question about the game mechanics 00:14:43 <TruePikachu> What is needed to make cities grow? I don't understand the wiki on the subject 00:14:54 <glx> depends on climate 00:15:11 <TruePikachu> I am only concerned with Temprate right now 00:15:36 <fjb> Active stations. 00:15:41 <glx> passengers and mail 00:15:54 <TruePikachu> I mean, the wiki states 5 stations within the city, but does it work if they are all connected as one station, and each of the 5 parts are visited? 00:16:02 <Yexo> have 5 stations within x (15? / 20?) tiles from the city center and make sure a vehicle visits these stations every 50 (or was it 20?) days 00:16:12 <TruePikachu> 50 00:16:17 <Yexo> there have to be 5 differnt station labels 00:16:23 <TruePikachu> :( 00:17:23 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-253.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 00:17:31 <glx> a small bus/tram network :) 00:19:29 <TruePikachu> If a station covers a bigger part of a city than another station, assuming the stations are not there simutaniously, and they both have the same ratings, do they get the same number of passengers and mail provided that the population is also the same? 00:20:23 <TruePikachu> Or are the supplies dependant only on coverage area? 00:20:24 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@188.109.249.51] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:22:22 <TruePikachu> Can someone answer? 00:23:20 <glx> only the 2 best stations get stuff 00:23:39 <glx> (or is it 3 ?) 00:23:45 <TruePikachu> Not a good answer, and it's 2 00:24:16 <fjb> Why does every beginner make the whole town one station? 00:24:44 <planetmaker> just because! 00:25:08 <TruePikachu> Because either A) the wiki isn't specific on these things, or B) that's how Railroad Tycoon does it 00:26:02 <glx> IIRC coverage is only for delivering 00:26:25 <TruePikachu> ? 00:28:14 <TruePikachu> fjb, please elaborate 00:28:36 <fjb> Elaborate what? 00:28:56 <TruePikachu> on why you don't make town-sized stations 00:30:22 <fjb> The town does not grow with only one station and so there will be not that many passengers. 00:31:02 <TruePikachu> But if a station is in a town, no matter what the coverage area is, the station can serve the entire town's population? 00:31:13 <planetmaker> s/not grow/not grow fast/ 00:31:22 <TruePikachu> And I've disproved you many times 00:31:42 <TruePikachu> ^ im my savegames 00:31:46 <planetmaker> ... I guess you disprove fjb this time then, too 00:31:48 <TruePikachu> * in 00:32:06 <planetmaker> and make sure to add the wrong info again to the wiki 00:32:34 <TruePikachu> No, I mean with one station, I brought a city from 1,000 to 20,000 00:32:37 <planetmaker> (yes, fjb is right. 5 stations are what is the optimum to get a town growing) 00:32:47 <planetmaker> yes, they grow even without station 00:32:53 <planetmaker> yes, they grow slowly with one 00:33:13 <TruePikachu> Okay, but what exactly is coverage are for then? 00:33:16 <planetmaker> yes, I've grown a town with one million inhabitants 00:33:21 <TruePikachu> O_o 00:33:34 <TruePikachu> How long? 00:33:44 <planetmaker> dunno. 300 game years maybe? 00:33:55 <TruePikachu> Oh 00:34:28 <planetmaker> the coverage area gives you the acceptance of a station. And somewhat also what is delivered 00:35:27 <TruePikachu> But a station in a city with just, say, a bus stop will serve the ENTIRE city 00:35:42 <TruePikachu> and not just the coverage area of houses 00:35:47 <TruePikachu> ? 00:36:22 * planetmaker uploaded SwedishRails 0.3.0 to bananas 00:36:36 <TruePikachu> ... 00:37:09 <planetmaker> TruePikachu: you get the cargo from your coverage area 00:37:29 <TruePikachu> If a bus stop is in a city, does it take care of everybody and their mail? 00:39:44 <TruePikachu> Is one bus stop capible of accessing an entire city??? 00:40:14 <planetmaker> have you ever placed a bus stop? Have you ever seen the coverage area while doing so? 00:40:21 <TruePikachu> yes 00:40:27 <planetmaker> go figure 00:41:08 * TruePikachu is getting confused by all the different answers 00:41:20 <fjb> One bus stop makes the whole town grow, but you only get the passengers from the coverage area. 00:41:42 <TruePikachu> Okay. 00:41:51 * planetmaker goes to bed. Have a good night folks 00:41:59 <planetmaker> End test swedish rail set ;-) 00:42:02 <glx> well a house delivers passengers to the 2 best station in its catchement area :) 00:42:06 <planetmaker> s/End/And/ :-) 00:42:35 <glx> size is 4 by default 00:42:44 <fjb> Night planetmaker. 00:42:57 <TruePikachu> What do you mean by size? 00:44:57 <TruePikachu> glx: what do you mean by size? 00:45:05 <fjb> Size of the catchment area we are talking about at the moment. 00:45:28 <TruePikachu> How does it change? 00:45:44 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.249.51] has joined #openttd 00:46:01 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Quit: Quit] 00:46:05 <glx> so the house look for stations (in its own area), then checks if it is (the house) in the station area 00:46:17 <fjb> It is in the settings. It can be the same for all station types or depending on the station type. 00:46:34 <glx> fjb: no it's 4 or 10 :) 00:46:51 <fjb> glx: Ok, thank you. 00:46:58 <glx> 4 is default, 10 is modified_catchement 00:47:14 <TruePikachu> Wait, so how would you get tons of people to deliver? 00:47:21 <glx> but in case of modified_catchement it checks the station catchement area too 00:49:05 <TruePikachu> How do you get tons of people to deliver? 00:49:06 <fjb> Make a bus or tram network and deliver the passengers to one big station. Get them there by a train, plane or what else. 00:49:27 <TruePikachu> with transfer? 00:49:35 <glx> yes 00:49:51 <glx> you can also play with town grfs 00:50:06 <TruePikachu> And then, when delivering passengers back to the city, what do you do? 00:50:07 <glx> you'll get more people than you can transport 00:50:53 <fjb> Just throw them off the train if the train station accepts passengers. 00:51:05 <TruePikachu> And the city will still grow? 00:51:49 <fjb> Yes. 00:52:01 <TruePikachu> Okay. One last question: would it be a good idea to use the OpenTTD_Co-op pages as a stragety guide? 00:52:27 <fjb> The passengers can not leave the station, get bored and make a lot of babies. 00:52:39 <TruePikachu> fjb, see 'oil rig' 00:53:20 <TruePikachu> 'Passenger production at so and so oil rig increases by 100%' 00:53:25 <glx> passengers just go where you want them to go :) 00:53:30 <fjb> What else would you do on an oil rig in your spare time? 00:54:03 <TruePikachu> I am definitly e-mailing this to my friend 00:56:01 <TruePikachu> I would try to increase oil production by 100% 00:57:18 <TruePikachu> Would it be a good idea to use the OpenTTD_Co-op pages as a stragety guide? 00:57:58 <fjb> Yes, if you understand them. 00:58:15 <TruePikachu> Okay. 00:59:09 <fjb> And don't drill at the deep water. 00:59:29 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:03:11 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-43-176.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:06:29 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e180229244.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 01:09:00 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-33-183.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:12:33 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 01:14:32 <fjb> Two important rules of Seefaring: 1) Don't drill at the deep sea. 2) Don't name your ship "Mary Celeste". 01:25:39 <glx> and don't disable alarms? 01:26:52 <fjb> May be. 01:27:34 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:39:15 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 01:58:51 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:20:17 *** fjb is now known as Guest848 02:20:18 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FEE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:24:43 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-157-197.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:27:31 *** Guest848 [~frank@p5485FFC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:30:53 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.249.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:35:52 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:55:19 *** orudge` [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 02:55:22 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 02:55:55 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> xenon.oftc.net quits: lobster, @orudge 02:59:04 *** Netsplit over, joins: lobster 03:05:21 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:8ce9:e89d:9d49:d2db] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:11:39 <Anderus> is there a "close all windows" button? 03:22:40 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:56:27 *** orudge` is now known as orudge 03:58:23 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 03:58:58 <Anderus> i think the server died 04:02:40 *** Anderus [~Anderus@24-176-46-57.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Wow! 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Bersirc 2.2 [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ]] 04:05:22 <ccfreak2k> Is there a newgrf or something for one-way roads? 04:06:17 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 04:06:23 <ccfreak2k> fjb, what's Seefaring? 04:23:30 <ccfreak2k> Oh, I found the one-way thing. 04:37:12 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:37:44 <ccfreak2k> OpenMSX is very...interesting. 04:56:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77BDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:56:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B46.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:58:05 *** woldemar [~maru@213.178.34.57] has quit [Quit: ã§ãã¯æ»çšœãããªãã§ããç§ã¯æ¬æ°ã§ãã] 05:45:30 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 05:49:43 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 06:03:01 <ccfreak2k> How do those long trains fit in the tiny depots? 06:04:11 <SpComb> magic 06:15:52 <Ammler> that is just a entry to downstairs 06:16:57 <planetmaker> moin 06:34:46 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e180229244.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 06:36:41 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:52:55 <Terkhen> good morning 07:18:36 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0507.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:28:50 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:33:48 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0507.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:42:55 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:49:55 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 08:45:25 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 08:56:26 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@87.80-202-130.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 09:03:52 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:04:33 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:17:06 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@87.80-202-130.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:19:36 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:20:09 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@87.80-202-130.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 09:27:53 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 09:41:42 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d9d4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:28:50 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-69-111.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:31:06 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-170-94.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:31:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:32:35 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.250.146] has joined #openttd 10:43:50 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:45 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-157-197.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:57:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C496.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:24:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C496.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:31:29 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:33:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C496.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:47:27 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9665.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:16:55 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:95ef:4d10:4363:986b] has joined #openttd 12:16:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:18:00 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g228076023.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:18:52 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4A0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:25:28 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e180229244.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:28 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 12:36:19 <ccfreak2k> Modern Motion is a weird song. 12:57:38 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has joined #openttd 13:15:03 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 13:17:28 <Belugas> hi 13:18:44 <PeterT> hey Belugas 13:21:24 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8682.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:27:50 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:30:32 <Belugas> hello PeterT 13:30:47 <PeterT> how are you this morning? 13:31:04 <PeterT> had enough coffee yet to wake up? ;) 13:31:05 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.8.98.253] has quit [Quit: Don't follow me] 13:33:41 <andythenorth> hi hi 13:36:02 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.8.98.253] has joined #openttd 13:36:40 <Belugas> barely, PeterT, barely. second cup. but meeting provided enough adrenalin to make it the same as two other mugs 13:36:45 <Belugas> hi andythenorth 13:38:32 <PeterT> good to hear :) 13:38:53 <PeterT> you could also drink tea, not as bad for you :p 13:40:15 <Belugas> might 13:40:17 <Belugas> problem 13:40:23 <Belugas> boss supplies coffee 13:40:26 <Belugas> not tea 13:40:39 <Belugas> not going to BUY my dose of boosters for the day :S 13:41:03 <PeterT> lol 13:41:20 <PeterT> demand that he supply tea or you will burn down his office 13:41:22 <PeterT> :p 13:42:22 <Belugas> i'd rather ask him for photo hardware if ever i had a special demand ^_^ 13:42:25 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:42:50 <Belugas> plus... hey... being honest, i love coffee 13:43:02 <PeterT> hehe 13:43:14 <PeterT> well, I hope I don't get into it 13:44:51 <Belugas> that's another subject. it's the same about any kind of boost. the excess is what is dangerous 13:45:38 <PeterT> 4 cups is not in excess? 13:45:55 <Belugas> not from what i heard 13:46:08 <Belugas> 6-7 is getting quite excessive 13:46:10 <PeterT> I guess it depends on the person 13:46:13 <Belugas> 4 is like.. borderline 13:46:14 <Belugas> or so 13:46:29 <PeterT> ah 13:46:33 <Belugas> but it might ahev written by a guy who drinks even more.. dunno 13:46:47 <Belugas> and yes, it might depends of the person indeed 13:46:59 <peter1138> hm 13:47:06 <Belugas> like alcohol, in factr 13:47:11 <PeterT> yeah 13:47:31 <PeterT> if it's like alchohol, then it takes getting used to, building a tolerence 13:48:32 <Belugas> after two beers (american beer not taking in account, of course), i'm getting really high.now. not when my hair were flowing freely on my shoulders... 13:48:35 <Belugas> see waht i mean? 13:49:07 <PeterT> :-D 13:50:40 <peter1138> hee, my hair is just on my shoulders 13:51:01 <PeterT> I used to have long hair 13:51:09 <PeterT> then I cut it off 13:51:14 <PeterT> for the summer :p 13:51:16 <peter1138> me too 13:51:23 <peter1138> i had 7 years of long hair 13:51:30 <PeterT> O_o wow :-D 13:53:15 <Ammler> 7years cut in 7mins? 13:53:23 <PeterT> hehe 13:53:34 <PeterT> alright, let's go USA!! 13:53:39 <PeterT> how good is Algeria? 13:53:45 <Ammler> better :-P 13:54:15 <PeterT> :-( 13:54:27 <PeterT> I just heard that Algeria hasn't scored in any of the games :p 13:54:27 <Belugas> mmh... what should i do to convince my wife i should grow my hair back? 13:54:57 <Belugas> ho.. i know...find something to have more hair for a start! 13:55:07 <peter1138> :s 13:55:20 <Belugas> peter1138, you do look good, judging form last shot ;) 13:56:00 <PeterT> I only saw your last.fm profile when you posted it in #tycoon 13:56:15 <peter1138> hmm, that's an ancient photo :) 13:56:25 <peter1138> hmm, probably 6 years old 13:56:42 <Rubidium> Belugas: call it a budget cut on hair dressing 13:56:42 <peter1138> seeing as that account was made in 2005 :) 13:57:08 <PeterT> peter1138: aha, post an updated picture then ;-) 13:57:17 <Belugas> i was talking about the last time i saw you on video ;) 13:57:32 <Belugas> Rubidium : nice idea :) 13:57:37 <peter1138> ah yes, the live video stream. that was fun :) 13:58:26 <peter1138> people look different when they're moving 13:58:47 <Belugas> quite :) 13:58:53 <Belugas> they look... normal 13:59:06 <PeterT> 2D is normal? 13:59:08 <PeterT> :-D 13:59:12 <Belugas> that's what i was thinking when looking at the 20k party shots 13:59:32 <Belugas> PeterT, close one eye and yes, 2D becomes normal! 13:59:34 <Belugas> hehehe 13:59:39 <PeterT> :D 13:59:46 <PeterT> wait...there are 20k party shots? 13:59:52 <PeterT> I only saw the cake 14:00:46 <Belugas> yeah some. the best ones are when they all got naked 14:00:48 <Belugas> funny as hell 14:01:00 <PeterT> oh gawd 14:01:43 <Belugas> hem... it was a joke... 14:02:28 <PeterT> I know that :p 14:02:28 <peter1138> okay 14:02:32 <peter1138> the office is quite empty now 14:02:35 <peter1138> the boardroom is quite full 14:02:42 <peter1138> oddly enough, there's 50" telly in there 14:02:59 <peter1138> i seem to be the only one not interested in whatever is showing on it 14:03:11 <PeterT> probably England versus Slovenia 14:03:42 <Belugas> maybe you were not invited? 14:04:02 <Belugas> it's time to practice your singing, peter1138 ;) 14:04:24 <peter1138> i do a good falsetto for singing beegees... 14:04:59 <peter1138> i think i'll just put some metal on 14:06:08 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe they're watching USA-Algeria :p 14:06:22 <PeterT> now, why would they watch that crap? 14:06:56 <peter1138> what, football? 14:06:59 <peter1138> cos they're muppets 14:07:05 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FEE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:11 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:08:12 <Belugas> metal... mmhh... that's an idea... 14:08:25 <Belugas> let see... 14:08:49 <Belugas> oh.. iron maiden... Allowed be Thy name... That I can sing :D 14:09:26 <Belugas> steve vai... nor sing nor play 14:14:04 <Belugas> haaa... Queensrÿche! 14:14:29 <Belugas> "your call is important" 14:14:31 <Belugas> BULLSHIT! 14:16:20 <peter1138> :) 14:23:25 <peter1138> changed my last.fm icon 14:25:55 <PeterT> haha great :-D 14:27:44 <peter1138> ahhh, NIN :D 14:30:40 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:01 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:35:08 <peter1138> set the controls 14:35:12 <peter1138> for the heart of the sun 14:35:19 <peter1138> my metal filter seems broken 14:38:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20013 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#3890]: silence some warnings / take the advice of the warnings into account 14:43:47 *** argotron [~claudiu@tei4-ap2.bizarnet.ro] has joined #openttd 14:46:30 <Belugas> lol@peter1138 :D 14:56:29 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20014 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3881]: don't close the sort dropdown in the (original) vehicle list when there are no vehicles. That code is meant for the "actions" dropdown 15:15:28 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 15:15:58 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FEE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:20:55 *** argotron [~claudiu@tei4-ap2.bizarnet.ro] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21:08 *** amiralul [~claudiu@vpn128.its.manchester.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:21:19 *** argotron [~claudiu@tei4-ap2.bizarnet.ro] has joined #openttd 15:21:44 *** amiralul [~claudiu@vpn128.its.manchester.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:38 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:30:12 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 15:45:36 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.40] has joined #openttd 15:49:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.219.188] has joined #openttd 15:51:11 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8682.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52:15 <andythenorth> hmm 15:52:17 <andythenorth> football 15:56:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.163.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:59:30 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-83f6e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:10:33 *** CIA-9 [cia@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 16:12:26 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:09 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@87.80-202-130.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:29:50 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f74d7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:35:33 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:37:35 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:15 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@87.80-202-130.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 16:42:45 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 16:48:54 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4A0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:05 *** amiralul [~claudiu@tei4-ap2.bizarnet.ro] has joined #openttd 16:54:42 *** amiralul [~claudiu@tei4-ap2.bizarnet.ro] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:15 *** argotron [~claudiu@tei4-ap2.bizarnet.ro] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:45 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 17:11:51 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbml] 17:12:45 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:17:55 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has quit [] 17:21:14 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 17:26:47 <frosch123> planetmaker: are there already some photos available somewhere? 17:27:17 <Zuu> As far as I can see the filter sign list patch is now complete feature wise and hopefully not too far from being of acceptable quality. :-) 17:27:33 <Zuu> frosch123: Yes there are 17:29:35 <Belugas> and you look so good on those, frosch123 hahahaha!! 17:29:50 <frosch123> yeah, hillarious :) 17:30:03 <frosch123> i wonder about the joke... 17:30:12 <Belugas> none joke intended ;) 17:30:37 <planetmaker> frosch123: yes, there are. And I forgot to give you the link as you already went to bed when I gave them around ;-) 17:30:42 <Belugas> i was just pleased seeing what you were looking like. I was not disappointed 17:30:44 <frosch123> i mean the joke which apparently was heard while the photo was taken 17:30:53 <frosch123> planetmaker: already got it :) 17:30:58 <planetmaker> oki :-) 17:31:01 <Belugas> ho... that... must have been a lot going on,from what i heard 17:31:52 <Zuu> Yep 17:34:20 <Zuu> planetmaker: A zip/tar/tgz or something would be nice to allow easier downloading. 17:34:56 <planetmaker> wget ;-) 17:35:18 <planetmaker> I see the point, though 17:35:35 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 17:45:21 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r20015 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/ (chuvash.txt irish.txt tamil.txt): 17:45:21 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:21 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: chuvash - 17 changes by mefisteron 17:45:21 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: irish - 40 changes by tem 17:45:21 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: tamil - 6 changes by Rubidium 17:45:37 <frosch123> rb speaks tamil :) 17:46:18 <Rubidium> nah, just noticed I made some mistakes with copying "default" stuff from english 17:47:23 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20016 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): -Change: move Irish out of unfinished 17:52:01 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:03:42 *** kamil [kamil@orchia.pl] has joined #openttd 18:03:44 <kamil> hi 18:03:55 <Zuu> Hello 18:04:58 <kamil> i search wiki... and i cant find how to create commands - for example: !help -> echo "Help: ... " 18:05:15 <Zuu> autopilot, ap etc. 18:05:33 <Zuu> xschunter I believe as well 18:06:48 <kamil> ap <- i get always errors... autopilot <- can't run in screen... xschunter... hmm try this:) 18:07:23 <Ammler> ap is autopilot 18:07:56 <Ammler> you might try ap+ 18:08:12 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 18:08:54 <kamil> Ammler: yes i try ap+ and i can't this run - i get error always... 18:09:16 <kamil> xschunter <- can't find in google... you have link to home page this project? 18:09:24 <Belugas> wow... we just had an heartquake! 18:09:33 <Belugas> that feels strange! 18:09:45 <kamil> Belugas: why? this channel i silent mode?:P 18:10:02 <Belugas> no, in (burk) real life! 18:10:07 <Ammler> it might not be released yet 18:10:10 <Belugas> here, at work! 18:10:12 <frosch123> looks like there is "quak" in earthquakle 18:10:28 <SpComb> heartquake? 18:10:31 <Belugas> ho... 18:10:38 <Belugas> as in GROUND SHAKING 18:10:47 <Belugas> me and my english :S 18:11:00 <SpComb> translates to earthquake, despite what your silly local language says 18:11:10 <frosch123> Belugas: you now have to try for 20 minutes to call your wife and ask whether everything is fine 18:11:44 <frosch123> what is an earthquake without collapsing telephone service 18:11:58 <kamil> Zuu: i can't find xschunter - you have link to home page project? 18:12:11 <Ammler> [20:09] <Ammler> it might not be released yet 18:12:12 <PeterT> No, it's not available for Public use yet 18:12:16 <Belugas> mmh... /me tries that 18:12:17 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0507.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:12:19 <PeterT> basically, what Ammler said 18:12:29 <planetmaker> I'm pretty sure it's also spellt xShunter, kamil 18:12:30 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:12:40 <planetmaker> propper spelling helps searches usually a lot 18:12:42 <kamil> ouuu... 18:12:43 <planetmaker> communication, too 18:12:47 <PeterT> planetmaker: yeah, it's what Zuu said ;-) 18:12:58 <PeterT> <Zuu> xschunter I believe as well 18:13:07 <Ammler> -c 18:13:40 <Eddi|zuHause> <kamil> xschunter <- can't find in google... you have link to home page this project? <- it's misspelled, should probably be xshunter 18:13:47 <kamil> ok, how to disable aircraft/plane in game? 18:14:04 <frosch123> set maximum number of planes to 0 per company 18:14:07 <planetmaker> set their max_XXX to 0 18:14:31 <kamil> i set, but game renew this vars to default = 200 18:14:39 <Zuu> As I said I was not 100% about the name being spelled correctly. 18:19:28 <Belugas> well look at that... could call my wife right there, without trouble ;P 18:19:46 <Belugas> she felt it too, but she tough it was the construction guys on the street! 18:22:15 <frosch123> :) 18:22:37 <PeterT> anyway 18:22:37 <kamil> ok, any try run autopilot in screen? 18:22:47 <PeterT> xShunter or xschunter, it's not available 18:22:49 <PeterT> kamil: yep 18:23:04 <PeterT> if you are just testing it, try without screen 18:23:19 <Ammler> kamil: only ap+ is useable 18:24:14 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.40] has joined #openttd 18:28:11 <kamil> Ammler: i run ap+ and get this: http://pld.pastebin.com/knChaDQs 18:28:30 <Yexo> <kamil> i set, but game renew this vars to default = 200 <- if you want to change it in a savegame load the savegame and then change it 18:28:31 <Ammler> kamil: version? 18:28:53 <kamil> Ammler: openttd? 1.0.1 18:28:59 <Ammler> no, ap+ 18:29:28 <Ammler> svnversion 18:29:58 <Ammler> looks like expect is missing 18:30:09 <Ammler> looks like you are someone who doesn't read readme 18:30:10 <kamil> 768 18:30:32 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:31:05 <Ammler> 768 is fine 18:31:44 <Ammler> kamil: also check if you have tclx installed 18:31:52 <Ammler> and tcllib 18:32:41 <kamil> tclx == tcl* ? 18:33:13 <Ammler> not sure about tclx though 18:33:18 <Ammler> but tcllib is 18:33:22 <kamil> tcllib-1.12-2.noarch: equal version installed, skipped 18:33:42 <Ammler> tcl != tclx 18:34:59 <kamil> don't have... w8 i install:> 18:35:24 <Ammler> @topic -1 18:35:24 <DorpsGek> Ammler: topic [<channel>] 18:35:46 <Yexo> @topic get -1 18:35:46 <DorpsGek> Yexo: English only 18:35:53 <Ammler> thanks Yexo :-) 18:37:43 <kamil> Ammler: well i'm installed tclx, but: http://pld.pastebin.com/eL6vQd0j 18:37:51 <kamil> can't run ap+ 18:39:19 <Ammler> [20:29] <Ammler> looks like expect is missing 18:39:54 <Ammler> which "guide" did you read for installing? 18:41:10 <kamil> Ammler: guide? http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Autopilot/ap%2B <- i can't find guide 18:41:58 <PeterT> autopilot is a Tcl script which uses Tcl's Expect package to interface with OpenTTD's dedicated server console to provide network games with additional features not normally available with the game alone. This is the operator's manual for version 2.0 of autopilot. 18:42:07 <PeterT> errr, sorry for formatting :X 18:42:15 <PeterT> that's copied from http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Autopilot 18:42:48 <Ammler> kamil: yes, then you have all you need :-) 18:43:45 <kamil> PeterT: yes i read this web page... but can't get manual... i configure openttd.cfg... 18:47:50 *** attish [~lenoir@catv-89-134-183-57.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 18:49:43 <attish> hello! openttd scans my home directory for tars, but my home contains symlinks to several really huge directories, and the scanning takes forever. Is there a way to turn it off or restrict it to ~/.openttd? 18:51:45 <Rubidium> it "only" checks ~/.openttd and the installation/working directory 18:52:04 <Rubidium> so if ~/ is your working directory you should change it 18:52:35 <attish> it works, thanks! 18:53:08 <attish> still, this may cause a casual user to think the program has locked up 18:53:21 <attish> I found out about the scanning via ltrace 18:54:24 <attish> do you think it's worth filing a bug report? 18:55:03 <Alberth> the main developer is aware of it, so what good would the report do? 18:55:12 <Rubidium> doubtful; it has been the way for years and changing it now would more likely break stuff 18:55:50 <Rubidium> also you seem to be the first person having ~/ as working directory as I can't remember anyone having this issue 18:56:08 <Rubidium> maybe that's because the casual user starts it from the desktop which has a different working directory? 18:56:30 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... at this rate, we'll really go home with a 0:2 :p 18:56:41 <attish> I guess I'm the first one with ~ as wd and ~ being >100 GB :) 18:57:46 <attish> casual users are at danger here 18:57:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem starts if you have a ~/data dir 18:58:07 <attish> indeed 18:58:15 <attish> I have one, and it's the big one 18:58:44 <attish> and renaming it to data_ cures it 18:59:04 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@250.80-202-210.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 18:59:14 <attish> sounds like a bug to me 19:00:06 <Rubidium> one man's bug in another man's feature :( 19:01:06 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0507.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:23 <Rubidium> because the change the working directory trick is used to make an USB/portable install 19:01:57 <peter1138> heh 19:03:38 <attish> the only right solution I can think of is to pop up a "please wait" window if the scanning takes more than 5 seconds 19:03:41 <Alberth> 'data' is too generic anyway 19:04:15 <Alberth> or don't go deeper than say 10 levels 19:04:28 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host226-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:04:34 <Wolf01> hi 19:04:39 <Alberth> hi Wolf01 19:04:43 <attish> in my case it wouldn't solve it, but otherwise seems worthy 19:05:00 <Rubidium> is that directory by any chance filled with tar files? 19:05:35 <peter1138> could be fun when we get gz, bz2 and good ol' zip support ;) 19:05:54 <attish> only pure .tar files, or .tar.gz and .tar.bz2 are checked too? 19:06:13 <peter1138> only pure 19:06:18 <attish> no, I have no pure tar files 19:06:25 <attish> I'm almost certain 19:06:46 <attish> if only these are checked, then it's only traversing the directory tree that takes time 19:06:51 <Alberth> find ~/data -name "*.tar" -print 19:06:52 <attish> but it shouldn't take this much 19:07:44 <attish> 0 results 19:08:08 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:08:35 <attish> it's strange 19:08:45 <attish> the find command returns almost immediately 19:09:06 <attish> this suggests that the directory tree is cached 19:09:39 <attish> but the scanning still takes forever to finish 19:09:48 <Rubidium> yep 19:10:07 <Rubidium> the second start of openttd should be considerably faster 19:11:03 <attish> that's my point: it should be, but it doesn't seem to be so 19:11:51 <attish> besides, CPU usage is at 100%; scanning the directory tree would mean low CPU utilization, much more time spent waiting for the FS 19:13:56 <attish> I'll look at the source 19:14:02 <Rubidium> then there might be a loop in the symlinks? 19:14:05 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.8.98.253] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC.] 19:14:54 <attish> would ls -R fall into an infinite loop in that case? 19:16:11 <attish> because it traverses my ~/data without problems 19:16:54 <Rubidium> don't know 19:17:15 <Rubidium> I only know that OpenTTD doesn't make much of an effort to prevent such traps 19:17:53 <Rubidium> due to "too much work for too little benefit"; there is no generic API to prevent such traps 19:18:03 <attish> but these hurt reputation -- casual user launches, waits, then says OK, it hangs without a word, so it's rubbish, and uninstalls 19:19:37 <Rubidium> might be, but making OpenTTD security vulnerable or destroying the existing user base is probably way worse 19:20:04 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@87.80-202-130.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:20:13 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@87.80-202-130.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:22:13 <attish> I don't think there's a conflict here -- keep a counter of scanned files; once counter goes past say, 10000, display a window to assure the user that the program is still alive, then destroy this window once the scanning's done 19:22:22 <attish> this doesn't sound like a vulnerability 19:22:36 <attish> but I'm no security expert 19:22:48 <Rubidium> okay, that is not necessarily a security issue 19:23:03 <Rubidium> problem is... how to show the window (on especially X) 19:23:20 <attish> you have a point there :) 19:23:40 <Rubidium> assume the graphics are not found yet and as such SDL + openttd sprites doesn't work 19:24:12 <attish> check if we have X, if yes, display a very simple message box, else print a line on the console 19:24:37 <Rubidium> attish: we can't quite check for X 19:24:54 <Rubidium> unless we add X as a hard dependency 19:24:57 <attish> a simple test would be checking if DISPLAY is set 19:25:27 <Rubidium> even then, you still don't have the characters to draw something on the screen 19:27:07 <attish> frankly, I have no idea, I don't really know X 19:28:24 <attish> but I think we could use a solution that works for the "average linux desktop" 19:28:52 <attish> since everyone who uses a more limited environment will be likely to know their way around this problem 19:29:00 <Rubidium> works and doesn't break something for the rest... which is kinda a big problem 19:29:03 <Alberth> like assuming there is no 'data' directory in the cwd? :p 19:29:47 <Alberth> perhaps a rename to 'openttd-data' ? 19:30:27 <Rubidium> Alberth: are you going to fix the directories of everyone? 19:30:38 <Rubidium> as we can't "simply" rename data to openttd-data on startup 19:31:01 <Rubidium> so you'd be effectively breaking *all* portable installation 19:31:29 <Alberth> so a change would need a few years at least 19:31:47 <frosch123> just replace "cwd" with "cwd, if not ~" :p 19:31:56 <Rubidium> attish: a major problem of OpenTTD is showing error messages early on; it has existed forever and there's hardly anything that can be done about it 19:32:36 <Rubidium> frosch123: what about /data or O:\data ? 19:33:51 <frosch123> :) 19:34:59 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-169-223.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:43:17 <Eddi|zuHause> but we do need some kind of splash screen while scanning for grfs/tars... 19:46:07 <Alberth> No splash screen, please. Those are *so* annoying. 19:46:14 * Rubidium assigns Eddi to do that 19:46:37 <fjb> Hm, yes splash screens are annoying. 19:47:07 <attish> add an option to disable splash screen, then :) 19:47:20 <Alberth> better, don't add one 19:47:25 <Ammler> well, waiting and not seeing what happens is also bad 19:47:51 <Ammler> if you click openttd icon and you need to wait 10 secs... 19:48:09 <Ammler> you quite much like to click twice or more :-) 19:48:20 <Alberth> more openttds! 19:48:23 <Alberth> more fun! 19:48:24 <frosch123> don't mix it with reading grf info :) that needs caching 19:49:10 <Rubidium> and reading grf info might be done once the base graphics are found and loaded 19:49:49 <Ammler> it doesn't need a big splash screen, but a starting indicator would be nice 19:50:31 <Ammler> maybe a little stream lok choochoos over the screen? 19:51:02 <fjb> Animated mouse pointer. :-) 19:53:56 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55:28 <Eddi|zuHause> tt original had an "intro" 19:55:39 <Rubidium> question then is how to load the splash screen, or rather: what to do when there is no libpng 19:55:58 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: 99% certain those graphics come from one of the grfs 19:56:10 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, likely 19:56:26 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe hardcode an image into the executable? 19:59:05 <frosch123> a progressbar-like throbber would not need graphics 20:01:26 <glx> and how do you know how many files to check ? 20:01:42 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@au.dongues.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:55 <Ammler> well, those progressbars just start again 20:01:56 <Rubidium> glx: like windows: "Please wait while preparing to ..." 20:01:58 <frosch123> not that progressing type of progressbar :) the one which cycles, like on win 95/xp start 20:01:58 <glx> hmm or a progress not progressive 20:02:36 <glx> I should be able to do that on windows (file access are slow ;) ) 20:03:32 <mikegrb> 20:03:43 <Alberth> why not add the path of last found stuff to the config, so you can find it fast? 20:03:53 <Alberth> ie the base graphics 20:04:46 <Rubidium> then you still have the problem the first time, which is (basically) what attish complained about (a bit) 20:05:32 <Rubidium> and if it comes from a tar then you'd need to make a list of "preload" tars as well 20:05:35 <Ammler> what is "the first time"? 20:06:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: a "virgin" start without config 20:06:17 <frosch123> just after installing, when you cannot rely on any cached values 20:06:37 <Ammler> where does it cache to? 20:06:48 <Alberth> also run as part of the install? 20:07:01 <Ammler> and how do you detect updates? 20:07:14 <Alberth> that leaves out the source installs, but that is a small group 20:07:26 <Alberth> Ammler: afterwards 20:07:34 <frosch123> [22:06] <Ammler> where does it cache to? <- it does not :) but it is usally suggested when it comes to loading times :) 20:07:45 <glx> better find a way to show it is doing something :) 20:07:51 *** Yexo [~Yexo@183-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07:54 <Ammler> ah, that is a upcomming feature :-) 20:08:17 <frosch123> yup, upcoming for 5 years or so :p 20:08:33 <Ammler> but I feel somehow a second start is faster already 20:08:50 <glx> not after a reboot Ammler :) 20:08:53 <Rubidium> Ammler: that's caused by your OS 20:09:24 <Rubidium> caching the file system's directory layout/files 20:09:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: the second start in a short timeframe means many files are still in cache 20:10:28 <Ammler> I see... 20:13:12 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has joined #openttd 20:23:38 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:29:24 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:53 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC7BB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:35:51 *** attish [~lenoir@catv-89-134-183-57.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:42:27 *** DrRetro [~ontario@174-137-229-225.ip.tor.radiant.net] has joined #openttd 20:45:04 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-43-176.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:45:16 <TruePikachu> I got a funny response from TW 20:45:46 <TruePikachu> They said that the modem got infected with a virus 20:46:09 <TruePikachu> They also said that they reset the modem entirely to default settings... 20:46:46 <TruePikachu> ...however, if that was the case, this wireless connection would have been revoked because of an invalid WEP 20:47:53 <TruePikachu> I was also thinking, about how 192.168,0.250 (but with dot) gets converted to 67.49.43.176 20:48:11 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8682.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:48:12 <TruePikachu> I can only come up with one logical reason 20:48:35 <TruePikachu> IRC protocals used by different clients may differ 20:49:09 <TruePikachu> Just like with the CRLF debate 20:49:51 <glx> no IRC is IRC 20:49:51 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f74d7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:49:55 <Fast2> Without knowledge of the context: The IRC-protocol is defined in an RFC, so all clients schon use the same. 20:49:57 <TruePikachu> IRSSI is a simple client, so it probably just sends everything directly as plaintext through the Internet without additional processing 20:50:02 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@au.dongues.com] has joined #openttd 20:50:03 <Fast2> *schon|should 20:50:19 <glx> TruePikachu: like all IRC clients 20:50:28 <TruePikachu> Therefore, when the modem picks up the 192.168, it changes it to it's own IP address, making the target think the modem itself sent it 20:51:04 <TruePikachu> However, with some clients, they might do something like 192.168<NULL>.0.250 20:51:17 <TruePikachu> This way, it does not get changed 20:51:51 <glx> no, the router can change packets header, but not the content 20:52:41 <TruePikachu> This is the CG814WG, the 'most problematic modem ever' 20:53:18 <TruePikachu> I am pretty sure that when I was using PIRCH98 on WinXP, I typed in 192.168.0.10 all the time 20:53:40 <TruePikachu> And it was never changed 20:54:30 <TruePikachu> Just coming up with theorys... 20:54:49 <TruePikachu> Anyway, I need a good mainline design that works nicely. 20:55:17 <TruePikachu> I usually used LPPR or LBBR (P=Prioritised bidirectional, B=Bidirectional) 20:55:51 <TruePikachu> Today, I tried L_L___R_R 20:56:15 <TruePikachu> Any thoughts? 20:57:28 *** DrRetro [~ontario@174-137-229-225.ip.tor.radiant.net] has quit [] 20:57:59 * TruePikachu thinks he should try to get his DS set up as an IRC client, and his computer set up as a server in order to try to track the problem 20:59:24 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@au.dongues.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:29 <TruePikachu> Oh well, I am experimenting with mainlines right now, and I need ideas 21:02:01 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:02:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 21:03:58 <TruePikachu> ping 21:04:16 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@au.dongues.com] has joined #openttd 21:05:05 <andythenorth> pong 21:05:47 <Eddi|zuHause> |. 21:06:26 <SmatZ> | '| 21:06:47 <Eddi|zuHause> |· 21:06:58 <Zuu> . | 21:07:13 <Eddi|zuHause> |Ë 21:07:17 <Belugas> bye bye all 21:07:18 <TruePikachu> | *---- 21:07:18 * andythenorth GAME OVER 21:07:24 <Zuu> bye Belugas 21:07:33 <andythenorth> we drove him away :( 21:07:36 <Ammler> Bylugas 21:07:40 <andythenorth> or maybe his car drove him away :) 21:07:45 <TruePikachu> lol 21:07:46 <Belugas> will be on holiday tomorrow, shooting some beasts in a zoo :D 21:07:49 * andythenorth is still working at 22.07 21:07:51 <andythenorth> on a day off 21:07:52 <Belugas> ciao and have fun! 21:07:54 <TruePikachu> Camera? 21:07:57 <andythenorth> work started at 9.30 21:07:59 <Belugas> of course.... 21:08:00 <andythenorth> on my day off 21:08:01 <Belugas> gone 21:08:04 <andythenorth> bye 21:08:04 <Eddi|zuHause> 'luga sog i 21:08:23 <TruePikachu> Well, anyway, I need mainline ideas 21:08:25 <Ammler> andythenorth: which grf are you working on? 21:08:32 <Ammler> didn't see any commits :-) 21:09:03 <andythenorth> Ammler: I am working on the earningalivingdoingwork.grf 21:09:12 <Zuu> TruePikachu: If you have trains of different speeds you could give them separate tracks. 21:09:17 <Ammler> :-) 21:09:25 <TruePikachu> How would I set that up easily? 21:09:25 <Zuu> Eg RL__RL 21:09:36 <andythenorth> Ammler: have you added closure parameters to FIRS yet? 21:09:46 <andythenorth> in my dream, someone else did it :P 21:09:51 <andythenorth> i.e. not me 21:09:54 <andythenorth> so perhaps you? 21:09:55 <Zuu> Waypoints + pathfinder penalties. 21:10:01 <andythenorth> or one of 6 billion other people 21:10:04 <TruePikachu> Zuu, would L_L___R_R work, inner is faster? 21:10:06 <andythenorth> but ideally not me :P 21:10:19 <Ammler> no dev, no access 21:10:27 <TruePikachu> Wait, inner slower 21:10:43 <TruePikachu> I have 3 tile space in there to do a turnaround and tunnel 21:10:58 <Zuu> TruePikachu: Sure, if you like to do so, but the idea is that if you make them separate, then you can have simplier junctions. 21:11:25 <andythenorth> Ammler: you have root on redmine no? 21:11:32 <TruePikachu> Oh, so I'll design a L_L___R_R -> LR_LR adapter 21:11:34 <Zuu> Eg RL___RL where you have one pair for fast PAX and one for cargo. 21:11:52 <Zuu> If you eg. play with UKRS. 21:12:07 <Ammler> andythenorth: I would only commit .devzone stuff to it... 21:12:10 <TruePikachu> UKRS = ? (I know it's a GRF) 21:12:23 <Zuu> UK rail set I would believe 21:12:33 <Zuu> You'll find it on bananas. 21:12:37 <TruePikachu> Would NuRails work instead? 21:12:42 <Eddi|zuHause> R stands for Renewal 21:12:50 <TruePikachu> Zuu, no, I'll find it in my DATA folder 21:12:58 <Ammler> andythenorth: I didn't code one Action2 sprite yet 21:13:00 <Zuu> UKRS is a train set. 21:13:28 <TruePikachu> Oh, so the default trains could operate then? 21:13:38 <Zuu> where PAX trains are usually quite abit faster than the cargo trains. 21:13:59 <TruePikachu> I know, I've don Train Simulator on Marias Pass 21:14:02 <Zuu> With the default trains there is no such difference in speed between pax and cargo trains. 21:14:03 <TruePikachu> *done 21:14:12 <TruePikachu> Freight 35 Pass 60 21:14:28 <TruePikachu> Zuu, I make a difference between them... 21:14:52 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@2001:1af8:fe2e:110::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:04 <TruePikachu> Would it be a good idea to try a train GRF? 21:15:24 <Zuu> The thing is that a RR__LL-ish network would require quite a lot more complicated and space requiring junctions/intersections than a simple RL network. 21:15:33 <TruePikachu> I can't flood my systm: 797MHz PIII, 192MB RAM, 4GB Swap 21:15:55 <Zuu> Dual RL is probably more space effective than a load balanced RR__LL. 21:15:57 <TruePikachu> Zuu, I know I use different loco speeds 21:16:47 <TruePikachu> What about a LPR (Prioritised track in middle)? Oh, and I use right-hand traffic, your RL is left-hand 21:17:53 <Zuu> Never really learned what L and R means but if it is right-hand or left-hand doesn't really matter. 21:18:03 <TruePikachu> The center track can be used for passing 21:18:27 <TruePikachu> (If two locos on the PAX have different speeds I.E. AutoReplace hasn't reached them yet 21:18:31 <TruePikachu> ) 21:19:08 <Zuu> The problem with passing in OpenTTD is that it seldome works well. In your case you'll probably have the behaviour that trains go back to early to their side so that the train that they just overtook will have to make a full stop. 21:19:52 <TruePikachu> That is if you do it "that way" 21:20:13 <TruePikachu> (one moment... 21:20:23 <TruePikachu> Darn, can't do multiline... 21:20:43 <Zuu> You can do in notepad/emacs/vim etc. 21:21:02 <TruePikachu> I would have 3 tracks. The center one has standard path signals facing both ways, and the outer have one-way path signals 21:21:31 * TruePikachu will start VIM 21:21:50 <Wolf01> 'night 21:21:54 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host226-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:22:21 <Zuu> In that case you will have a penalty of running in the centeral lane. 21:22:52 <Zuu> Which will make trains switch back as soon as they can and cut the way of for the trains in the outer lane. 21:23:24 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@2001:1af8:fe2e:110::1] has joined #openttd 21:24:22 <TruePikachu> <Diagram> 21:24:39 <TruePikachu> <Didn't copy :P> 21:25:35 <TruePikachu> VIM keeps going into visual mode :P 21:25:51 <Zuu> Yep, and then right click and select copy 21:25:59 <Zuu> If you're on windows + gvim 21:26:38 <TruePikachu> I'm on Linux and actual VIM running in a Konsole window :P 21:26:50 <TruePikachu> I saved and LESS'd the output: 21:26:57 <TruePikachu> _____________________<________________________ /Westbound 21:26:58 <TruePikachu> __________________}XX{________________________ /Prioritised passing track 21:26:58 <TruePikachu> __________________>XX_________________________ /Eastbound 21:26:58 <TruePikachu> > One-way path 21:26:58 <TruePikachu> } Two-way path 21:27:03 <Zuu> A problem in OpenTTD is also that the demand fluctates alot. With assymetric demand in an IRL situation it is easier to use a revesible lane as you can keep the same direction the entire morning rush hour and then reverse it before the afternoon rush hour. That said, there is still the problem of making sure drivers are aware of the direction and not using the lane when it is closed before the reversal of it. 21:28:07 <TruePikachu> Oh, in case you're wondering, the 'prioritised passing track' has a 2 way block signal in the middle of itself 21:28:24 <Zuu> Is the passing track long enough that a train will always be able to overtake and join the outer lane at the next junction without disturbing the overtook train? 21:28:45 * TruePikachu wishes YAPF/YAPP looks ahead further 21:29:01 <TruePikachu> Zuu, ? 21:29:29 <Zuu> How often do you have intersections between the outer tracks and the middle track? 21:29:36 <TruePikachu> Not really, but I could pull the path signals back further on the outer... 21:29:50 <Zuu> You would need 20+ tiles or so unelss you have a large speed difference (and low speeds) 21:29:56 <TruePikachu> I usually put these assemblies every 12 tiles 21:30:15 <TruePikachu> It used to be 10, but I spaced 21:30:44 <TruePikachu> It might be easiest to use a LLRR___LLRR 21:31:13 <Zuu> The thing is that the overtaken train need to be able to make a full overtake including joining the outer lane again before the overtook train reaches the place where the overtakning train joins. Otherwise the overtook train will come to full stop. 21:31:33 <TruePikachu> L_L_R_R_____L_L_R_R ? 21:31:44 <TruePikachu> Extra space for prioritising assembelies 21:32:13 <TruePikachu> Wait, I might as well then just L_L_L_____R_R_R 21:32:55 <TruePikachu> brb, have to sharpen a pencil 21:32:56 <Zuu> That would require a tremendiously a lot of space for your intersections if you want to allow trains going from any track to any direction. 21:33:28 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 21:33:39 <Zuu> Going for separate LRs in a more mesh structure than having a large ML will probably use less space. 21:34:02 <Zuu> And be far easier to build. 21:34:13 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@au.dongues.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:21 <TruePikachu> My style is one station, and I send everything there, and spread out the output 21:38:01 <TruePikachu> Zuu, I'll try something like that 21:40:22 <Zuu> If overtaking would work good, then something like LL__RR with overtaking possibilities would be good. However since overtaking don't work good, there is not much point of choosing LL__RR unless you want it for the complicated look. 21:41:07 <TruePikachu> Well, I could prioritise the mainline in a rejoining junction 21:41:23 <TruePikachu> And weight off the passing track in any case 21:42:27 <TruePikachu> But should I use 2 or 3 spaces in the middle of the tracks? 21:42:38 <TruePikachu> You keep putting 2, but what is a good number for it? 21:42:47 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-170-94.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:45:01 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-117-28.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 21:45:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:48:33 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@87.80-202-130.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:54:15 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-117-28.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:28 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-78-166.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 21:56:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:58:19 <planetmaker> TruePikachu: the space between tracks is utterly irrelevant 21:58:29 <planetmaker> It only matters somewhat when you add junctions 21:58:55 <planetmaker> and there you place the tracks anyway however they need to go to make the junction work 21:59:40 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:03:50 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@au.dongues.com] has joined #openttd 22:06:32 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has quit [] 22:10:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C496.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:30 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-43-176.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:26:35 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:15 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-83f6e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:34:18 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@au.dongues.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:41:39 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC7BB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 22:46:45 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-254-168.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 22:47:07 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.8.98.253] has joined #openttd 22:53:30 *** welterde [welterde@hex.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:56:17 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-254-168.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 22:56:25 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9665.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... 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