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00:00:01 <TruePikachu> What's the file extension? 00:00:10 <TomyLobo> you'll find out 00:00:11 <planetmaker> <Eddi|zuHause> then call on us if you didn't figure it out in half an hour <-- 00:00:27 <planetmaker> you talk too much and think too little 00:00:30 <TruePikachu> ...that's one long file extension *_* 00:00:45 <TomyLobo> .youllfindout 00:01:29 <TruePikachu> TomyLobo: That didn't work 00:02:02 <TomyLobo> ^^ 00:02:04 <TruePikachu> .scn ? 00:02:07 <TomyLobo> good night 00:02:14 <TomyLobo> .scnr 00:03:37 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 00:03:58 *** rtypo [rtypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has quit [] 00:05:17 <TruePikachu> It is .scn 00:08:13 <Eddi|zuHause> see, and it took you way less than half an hour. 00:11:35 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.74.94] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 00:18:01 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Quit: Good bye] 00:25:19 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-81f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:37:56 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:41:37 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.12.136] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 00:59:41 *** Zahl [~Zahl@frbg-4d0289a7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:17:46 *** perk11 [~perk11@94.233.227.159] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 01:18:47 <TruePikachu> Eddi|zuHause: Well, I didn't think it would be as easy as changing the file extension 01:19:07 <TruePikachu> Anyway, moving the town is harder than I thought it would be 01:19:17 <TruePikachu> (with all those industries) 01:26:22 <PeterT> I got a player from Oman on my server :o 01:32:00 <TruePikachu> Will taking a scenerio and renaming it to .sav work? 01:32:16 <TruePikachu> Or will I have to use "Play Scenerio"? 01:32:49 <TruePikachu> And, if the latter, what will happen other than loading a map into a specific condition? 01:33:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i think there are a few subtle differences 01:34:03 <Eddi|zuHause> especially if certain settings are taken from the saved state or the new game [main menu] state 01:37:18 <TruePikachu> Okay... 01:37:55 <TruePikachu> I assume the latter is for scenerios 01:41:40 <TruePikachu> Feature Request: Ability to type in a year in the Scenerio Editor 01:44:55 *** trebuchet 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dimensions of a Co-op quality L_L8R_R junction be? 02:41:47 <TruePikachu> I know I'll make the junction have rotational symmetry 02:41:54 <Aali> designing a junction *before* starting a game seems rather pointless 02:42:11 <TruePikachu> Aali: It's the way I work 02:42:27 <Aali> how do you know what you need beforehand? 02:42:39 <Aali> and what if it doesn't fit the landscape? 02:42:45 <TruePikachu> Because I make most all my networks similar 02:43:08 <TruePikachu> And, for the landscape, I just type "`newgame<ENTER>" 02:43:23 <TruePikachu> Or I pull out the dozer 02:43:46 <Aali> oh, I could never do that :) 02:44:00 <TruePikachu> Anyway, this junction will (actually be a 3 way) 02:44:09 <Aali> half the fun is making things up on the spot for special situations 02:44:31 <TruePikachu> One leg of the junction will have practically all of the train traffic go through it 02:44:38 <Aali> I make no two junctions alike 02:44:59 <TruePikachu> I make most of my junctions similar 02:45:31 <TruePikachu> However, I've been making them up on the spot, and they jam 02:45:52 <TruePikachu> I'll need this one junction at least to be perfect strainght from the get-go 02:46:29 <TruePikachu> After all, I'll have to stop all the trains if I work on it for safety 02:46:30 <Aali> you dont need perfect junctions to avoid jams :) just make sure you dont have any joins before splits 02:46:47 <TruePikachu> ^^ Lol, there is a lot more than that 02:47:31 <Aali> thats pretty much the only rule I have when I build junctions, always works out pretty well 02:47:37 <TruePikachu> You have to be able to maintain signal density 02:47:47 <TruePikachu> In some cases, you need priority lines 02:48:18 <Aali> I dont consider that part of junction design, you always have to think about that 02:48:32 <TruePikachu> Lol, you actually sound like me from before I read the Co-op pages 02:48:51 <Aali> I've played on the coop server a number of times 02:48:55 <TruePikachu> After those pages, I've been working on efficient junctions 02:49:00 <Aali> and built many stations and junctions for them 02:49:04 <TruePikachu> Oh... 02:49:18 <TruePikachu> Well, I'm much looser than they are 02:49:32 <TruePikachu> My SD is 2 instead of 4, and I mix PAX and FGT 02:49:38 <TruePikachu> *4 instead of 2 02:49:58 <TruePikachu> And pretty much all of my trains reach the mainline 02:52:19 <Aali> I have more fun playing short(er) games with close friends though, without any specific rules on how to build stuff 02:53:47 *** zodttd [~me@24.144.92.44] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:53:55 <Aali> its always structured and fairly well done but things are not super-optimized until its absolutely necessary 03:27:40 * TruePikachu must exit as per a regulation with a few encrypted files 03:27:48 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: bbl] 03:29:53 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c4ca:2e6f:1931:ec95] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:44:19 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@66.183.117.125] has 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 07:05:56 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~Br33z4hSl@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 07:09:26 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-167-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 07:12:42 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:14:13 <Terkhen> good morning 07:14:34 <planetmaker> good morning Terkhen 07:14:44 <planetmaker> and good morning all others :-) 07:19:53 <Terkhen> :) 07:20:14 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:38:44 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 07:51:38 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.120.169] has joined #openttd 08:10:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B1BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:11:20 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-36f7e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 08:12:48 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:20:15 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:27:06 *** Zahl [~Zahl@frbg-4d0289a7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:33:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20511 /trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Fix: Initial height of townlist was not a multiple of the line height. 08:36:01 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:38:02 *** George is now known as Guest594 08:38:06 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 08:40:44 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.7.13] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:42:39 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:42:53 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-104-75.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 08:45:00 *** Guest594 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:50:21 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-83-100-158-126.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 08:53:39 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-104-75.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:55:22 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-158-126.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 08:58:54 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-83-100-158-126.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:03:42 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-123-213.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:05:11 *** perk11 [~perk11@94.233.227.159] has joined #openttd 09:08:00 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs185047.vserver.de] has left #openttd [... und tschÃŒÃ!] 09:08:19 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs185047.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 09:08:49 <planetmaker> hm... ctrl+w in wrong window. Somtimes the active window = window under cursor is not as helpful as most of the time ;-) 09:10:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i have the most problems when occasionally the window below the curser is not the active one... 09:10:35 <Eddi|zuHause> which can happen in some circumstances, especially with popup windows 09:10:48 <planetmaker> yes. 09:11:09 <planetmaker> that's annoying ;-) 09:13:46 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:13:51 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-73-88.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:15:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't found the right setting to tweak there... currently i have to completely leave the current window, and go back. or i have to click it, which is not always the right thing to do, as it also pushes the window on top 09:18:36 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-158-126.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:24:00 <planetmaker> Dunno... I'm not sure there are more settings in my case than 'focus on window under mouse' 09:24:14 <planetmaker> Anyway it's the most convenient concept I found for focus so far 09:28:15 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c42d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:28:22 <Eddi|zuHause> there are various settings for "focus stealing" or so... 09:29:29 <planetmaker> maybe in new(er) KDE :-) 09:33:56 <Eddi|zuHause> newer than 3.ancient, yes 09:42:01 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.12.136] has joined #openttd 09:44:17 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20512 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Fix [FS#4036]: Generation seed is unsigned. 09:56:05 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:01:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B69.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:27 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B69.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:13:21 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 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"broken NewGRF" strings 12:21:45 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.120.169] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 12:24:42 <Belugas> beurk 12:25:00 <Belugas> how come 2 weeks are passing so fast :( 12:25:14 <planetmaker> moin Belugas 12:25:34 <Rubidium> Belugas: good question, I'm still wondering why I "missed" sunday 12:26:48 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:30:17 <planetmaker> probably as it was a quite rainy day ;-) 12:31:18 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:33:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20514 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Fix: Draw error messages in white by default, they may not have a colour code. 12:37:58 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A19CE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:38:24 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A19CE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38:35 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A19CE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:40:48 <Belugas> poor Rubidium... stay awake 24h today,. you'll get back the missed day :) 12:41:00 <Belugas> hi hi planetmaker 12:41:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B1BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:41:54 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 12:52:03 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-36f7e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:34 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-83-226.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:59:34 *** Sacro__ [~ben@adsl-87-102-83-226.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:00:54 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-83-226.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:03:09 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-83-226.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:04:34 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-82-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:08:06 *** Sacro__ [~ben@adsl-87-102-83-226.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:26 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:49 *** _Johannes [~johannes@HSI-KBW-095-208-006-182.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 13:13:54 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:cd6:709a:29a7:274f] has joined #openttd 13:13:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:14:34 <_Johannes> hi there, can some on please help me out? allmost all my trains deprecated in 2050.... 13:15:19 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:15:32 <Rubidium> what climate are you using? 13:15:43 *** Devroush|2 [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:15:53 *** Devroush|2 [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 13:15:55 <Rubidium> and what types of trains are you using? Are they all diesel/steam engines? 13:16:36 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:00 <_Johannes> I used the first climate (default, looks european) 13:17:07 <_Johannes> they are all electrical 13:17:28 <_Johannes> I used to buy these Shinkansen like trains 13:17:35 <_Johannes> but now, I can only buy SH-40 13:18:10 <Rubidium> ah, deprecated in that way 13:18:14 <V453000> turn of expiring vehicles for your next game :p 13:18:24 <_Johannes> yeah, but for thiS= 13:18:25 <_Johannes> ? 13:18:37 <_Johannes> I have not made any saves before 2015 :( 13:18:55 <V453000> dont know of any way how to solve that :) 13:19:09 <Rubidium> that's somewhat default behaviour; vehicles get a random lifetime and if that doesn't reach 2050 they won't be available after that. You "were" meant to migrate to monorail/maglev, but I agree those look ugly 13:19:39 <Rubidium> in any case... you can, as V453000 said, enable the "vehicles never expire" option. 13:19:40 <planetmaker> hm... That gives me an idea what OpenGFX+ should also 'fix' 13:19:58 <Rubidium> to do that for your current game go to the advanced settings window 13:20:13 <V453000> pm: going to make some interesting maglevs? :D 13:20:26 <planetmaker> :-) I don't draw 13:20:27 <_Johannes> @ Rubidium : I did that 13:20:29 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:20:32 <Rubidium> then under vehicles there is an option "vehicles never expire" 13:20:34 <Rubidium> okay 13:20:37 <_Johannes> but it did not change anything :( 13:20:49 <V453000> it just makes the rest of your trains never expire 13:20:57 <V453000> but the dead ones will not return :) 13:20:58 <Rubidium> true, because it only applies to vehicles that have not expired yet, but... 13:21:00 <planetmaker> reset_engines 13:21:20 <Rubidium> open the in-game console (in the dropdown at the right of the main toolbar) 13:21:30 <Rubidium> and type, like planetmaker said, reset_engines in there 13:21:37 <Rubidium> that should make all engines avaiable again 13:21:40 <V453000> wee, never did that :) 13:22:16 <_Johannes> command not found :( 13:22:47 <_Johannes> (I opened the console with ^) 13:23:04 <VVG> isn't it resetengines? 13:23:17 <Rubidium> VVG: could be 13:23:24 <V453000> it is :) 13:23:33 <_Johannes> yeah it worked!!! 13:23:37 <_Johannes> thank you so much :) 13:24:44 <V453000> fix your vehicles never expire option also in the main menu - advanced settings so it doesnt happen again :p 13:25:00 <peter1138> if you help me 13:25:11 <peter1138> find the door that doesn't lead right back again 13:25:14 <peter1138> take me away 13:25:40 <Muxy> i have a savegame who makes desync when using it on a server. Is such thing possible ? 13:26:00 * Muxy should start with Hello everybody... so Hello ! 13:26:44 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:26:52 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:26:52 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 13:26:52 *** V453000 [~V453000@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 13:26:57 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:27:48 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has joined #openttd 13:27:54 <planetmaker> Muxy, yes. If you use the wrong version and 'wrong' savegame 13:28:11 <planetmaker> e.g. if the server couldn't load the game due to missing newgrfs 13:28:13 <Muxy> pm: what do you mean wrong savegame ? 13:28:41 <Muxy> there is no newgrf on this savegame, but i will check 13:29:34 <Muxy> server did not display error message about newgrf missing 13:29:37 <planetmaker> for desyncs two things are absolutely necessary to know to even get started: game version in use and the savegame :-) 13:30:05 <planetmaker> dedicated or non-dedicated server? 13:30:19 <Muxy> server dedicated 13:30:23 <Muxy> no patch 13:30:33 <Muxy> (nor Goulp Patch) 13:31:08 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:31:33 <Muxy> server 1.0.3 13:31:36 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:33:02 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:33:32 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:34:02 *** V453000 [~V453000@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:34:32 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:42:50 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.12.136] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:27 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 13:49:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19CE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:52 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 13:57:52 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:04:39 <dihedral> if you say your server aint patched, then there is not need to even mention any patch you might know ^^ 14:05:03 <glx> it's his usual patch ;) 14:05:18 <dihedral> pfft - teens these days! 14:06:39 <Muxy> teens ? 14:07:09 <Muxy> i say so cause everybody know that Muxy likes heavilly patched servers 14:07:18 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 14:08:07 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:32 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 14:11:48 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:20:23 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-26-106.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21:15 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Quit: Quit] 14:40:32 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:41:30 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.12.136] has joined #openttd 14:47:10 <dihedral> then Muxy does not deserve any support 14:47:36 <planetmaker> ? 14:47:45 *** _Johannes [~johannes@HSI-KBW-095-208-006-182.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:48:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.153.200] has joined #openttd 14:49:10 <Belugas> Muxy, don't bother dihedral. He's a bit touchy and quick to respond ;) no offence dihedral 14:49:35 <Belugas> yuo might explain a little more about the Problem 14:49:36 <Belugas> like... 14:50:00 <Belugas> version, when it occurs, did you tried this or that... 14:50:02 <Belugas> etc etc 14:50:21 <planetmaker> the savegame itself might be helpful :-) 14:50:37 <planetmaker> that'd make it (possibly) re-producable for others 14:50:55 <Ammler> hehe, and I would bet Muxy is older than dih :-) 14:51:10 <planetmaker> :-) I won't bet against you 14:51:15 <Ammler> maybe than me 14:51:23 <planetmaker> :-D 14:51:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19CE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:52:45 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@frbg-4d0289a7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:52:46 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-82-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:57 *** darkomen [4dc2a7fb@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:53:09 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-118-192.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:54:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.179.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:55:38 <darkomen> hey 14:55:52 <Terkhen> hi darkomen 14:56:12 <Belugas> Ammler, i'll bet the same :) 14:56:18 <Belugas> planetmaker, yuou might loose 14:56:49 <planetmaker> Belugas, what? 14:57:02 <planetmaker> I said I agree with Ammler :-) 14:57:02 <darkomen> can anyone help me about NewGRF FIRS? I searched for capable vehicle sets but i dont find any set 14:57:23 <Ammler> just try ECS sets 14:57:37 <planetmaker> darkomen, try any you like 14:57:45 <Terkhen> IIRC compatible vehicle sets are listed at the readme 14:57:57 <darkomen> ok, thank you 14:57:58 <Terkhen> but most sets should work 14:58:12 <Ammler> ECS compatible* 14:58:41 <darkomen> and, are all the NewGRFs capable with multiplayer? 14:58:42 *** Zahl [~Zahl@frbg-4d0289a7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:42 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 14:59:03 <Ammler> there I would limit to bananas only sets 14:59:06 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 15:00:18 <darkomen> then, can i upload a NewGRF in Bananas to play online? 15:00:24 <planetmaker> no 15:00:27 <planetmaker> unless you wrote it 15:00:45 <V453000> I guess DB set writers are long gone :( 15:00:52 <planetmaker> he isn't. 15:00:56 <Ammler> the important sets are there 15:00:58 <darkomen> so newgrfs aren't open source :( 15:01:17 <planetmaker> V453000, he actively is against :-) 15:01:21 <V453000> ? 15:01:27 <V453000> oh 15:01:30 <V453000> why :( 15:01:31 *** rtypo [rtypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 15:01:36 <planetmaker> TTDP... 15:01:58 <V453000> like ... he devotes the DB set to TTDP only? 15:02:25 <Ammler> darkomen: yes many are sadly closed, but still on bananas 15:02:39 <planetmaker> not really. But can't care about bananas. 15:03:20 <darkomen> BaNaNaS rocks 15:03:42 <V453000> cant care? :( isnt that just uploading? 15:03:46 <darkomen> thanks to reply guys, see ya 15:03:53 <Ammler> darkomen: tell that the german community guys :-P 15:04:00 <planetmaker> ^ 15:04:05 <planetmaker> ^ also V453000 15:04:09 <V453000> :O 15:04:25 <V453000> german community hates bananas? 15:04:27 <Ammler> hehe, you two still some Àhm 15:05:11 <Ammler> V453000: the active but not uploading to bananas are all german speaking, I would guess 15:05:25 <planetmaker> I fear, you're right, Ammler 15:06:06 <V453000> I just fail to understand the point of their doing :) 15:06:47 <planetmaker> V453000, not only you 15:06:54 <V453000> I see :( 15:09:52 <V453000> hmm DB set is in our pack though, isnt it? 15:09:59 <planetmaker> yes 15:10:18 <V453000> I guess we need some agreement from the author for that too 15:12:31 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-94-72-231-64.karoo.kcom.com] has joined #openttd 15:14:26 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-205-183.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:01 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-118-192.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:16:43 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-255-226.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:16:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:18:46 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20515 /trunk/src/ (console.cpp console_cmds.cpp): -Feature: ignore _ in console command names so there is no "inconsistent" behaviour w.r.t. underscores anymore without breaking backwards compatability greatly 15:19:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fed09.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:24:23 <Ammler> [17:10] <V453000> I guess we need some agreement from the author for that too <-- no, but we have 15:25:14 <V453000> :) 15:25:58 <V453000> I suppose finding a reason why bananas is for him so different from our pack is quite beyond any reasonability :D 15:26:53 <Rubidium> I'd say the 2+ years of extra aging of his NewGRFs might be the reason 15:27:47 <V453000> well, they work and DB set is still one of the best :) 15:28:22 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the average download count of each grf on bananas? 15:30:54 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 15:31:54 <avdg> eddi: I can find some downloadstats on http://bananas.openttd.org/ but I can't give you the result 15:32:25 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 15:33:06 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: 21030.0084, without OpenGFX per actually uploaded file 15:33:21 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-94-72-231-64.karoo.kcom.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:33:55 <avdg> average? 15:34:12 <Rubidium> yes 15:34:24 <avdg> thats a pretty high number 15:34:24 <Rubidium> an average of 44673 per GRFID 15:34:38 <avdg> I'm stunned 15:35:13 <Rubidium> it's doing ~20 GiB a day 15:35:35 <Rubidium> at "this" moment that is 15:36:34 <Rubidium> 15.3 million downloads since early 2009; 6.3 TiB in total 15:37:12 <V453000> nice numbers :) 15:37:17 <avdg> hmm http://www.alexa.com/search?q=openttd.org&r=home_home&p=bigtop 15:37:18 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-158-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:37:37 <Rubidium> peak day had 115k downloads / 49 GiB 15:37:38 <avdg> oh wrong link :p 15:38:15 <avdg> http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/openttd.org 15:39:51 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/bananas_stats.pdf <- blue is downloads, yellow is 30 day average downloads, orange is bandwidth in MiB 15:40:33 <andythenorth> How much of that is FIRS :P 15:41:17 <planetmaker> andythenorth: that's easy. You know your filesize :-) 15:41:27 <planetmaker> and good evening, andythenorth 15:41:46 <andythenorth> hi 15:41:52 <andythenorth> just a flying visit :) 15:41:56 <andythenorth> back to work 15:42:32 <andythenorth> I have charts too :P http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2759/4404175674_8b7a00f4d5.jpg 15:43:02 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-158-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:47:20 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-158-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:52:35 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-1bf4e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 15:54:10 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.12.136] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 15:58:21 <V453000> are people able to download also older versions from bananas? such as Japanese TrainSet v2 beta8? 15:58:48 <glx> only if needed by a savegame 15:59:15 <V453000> and by a server? 15:59:46 <glx> the savegame part is still valid ;) 15:59:59 <Wolf01> run the server as a client and load the savegame 16:00:09 <V453000> oh :) 16:00:11 <V453000> true :) 16:00:13 <V453000> thanks 16:00:17 <V453000> perfect \o/ 16:02:09 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-158-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:33 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-58-47.karoo.kcom.com] has joined #openttd 16:04:41 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-58-47.karoo.kcom.com] has quit [] 16:05:14 *** Sacro [~ben@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust880.mfld.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:06:24 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:13 <Eddi|zuHause> feature request: town forbids removing the central road tile despite of good rating 16:07:18 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-1bf4e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10:41 <planetmaker> :-) 16:11:05 <planetmaker> or it could just continue to grow on any road tile in its influence area 16:12:42 <V453000> how would you define influence area :) 16:16:06 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r20516 /trunk/src/ (hotkeys.cpp lang/english.txt signs_func.h signs_gui.cpp): -Feature [FS#3472]: Filter signs at the sign list window. (Zuu) 16:16:09 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 16:20:10 <planetmaker> o/ 16:20:29 <planetmaker> V453000: the area is already defined *somehow* 16:20:40 <planetmaker> Use the query tool on tiles and you'll see 16:20:50 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:05 <avdg> hmm.. I am thinking about adding that scroll-feature from the shade on the menu list 16:22:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:22:54 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:23:10 <avdg> its like feeling natural on a touchpath 16:23:16 * avdg gets a normal mouse :p 16:28:48 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:29:18 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 16:40:55 <Zuu> :-) @ r20516 16:41:28 <avdg> aaaa :) 16:41:30 <avdg> sign filter 16:41:50 <Rubidium> oh... has Terkhen committed something that breaks Zuu's patch *again*? 16:42:16 <Zuu> Though, it is so far "only" part 1 of the patch. The second had some issues that I need to look at. 16:42:23 <planetmaker> again ;-) 16:42:51 <Terkhen> yeah, I'm afraid part two will not apply cleanly because I changed a comment :P 16:43:21 <planetmaker> :-P Ugly, ugly... 16:43:22 <Zuu> you bastard :-) -- I guess it was a spelling mistake so I forgive you. 16:43:52 <Terkhen> :) 16:45:04 <Terkhen> now I can't translate "match case" properly... must be karma 16:45:32 <Zuu> Look how you/they did it for the AI Debug window. 16:46:19 <Zuu> hmm, maybe those should use the same string for the button caption, and only different strings for the tooltips or even make the tooltip generic too. 16:46:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: "GroÃ- und Kleinschreibung beachten" :=) 16:46:23 <Terkhen> incorrectly :) 16:46:59 <Terkhen> "Comprobar mayúsculas y minúsculas" <-- probably too big for a button 16:47:13 <planetmaker> what a mess to translate 16:47:15 <Eddi|zuHause> (prime example for translations being longer ;)) 16:47:23 <planetmaker> match case --> GroÃ- und Kleinschreibung beachten 16:47:28 <planetmaker> only 'slightly' longer 16:47:44 <Zuu> planetmaker: One reason why I in the last minute added a tooltip text to the button, so you could shorten it and use the tooltip to clarify. 16:47:48 <Terkhen> "case" does not exist in spanish, only "upper case" and "lower case" 16:47:56 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.116.94] has joined #openttd 16:47:57 <planetmaker> Terkhen: same in German 16:48:51 <Zuu> In swedish there is "character case" which is a bit long, but should work. 16:48:53 <glx> just do like the check box in firefox ctrl-F 16:50:02 <planetmaker> Hm... would something like "GroÃ- und Kleinschreibung{}beachten" come out as two-line button? 16:50:29 <glx> theorically yes 16:52:52 <Zuu> Is there a proper way to remove a patch in hg patch queue? (other than emptying the corresponding patchfile) 16:52:59 <planetmaker> I'll try 16:53:13 <planetmaker> We'll know in two hours latest or so ;-) 16:53:13 <Rubidium> Zuu: qdelete? 16:53:22 <planetmaker> qfold 16:53:31 <planetmaker> though... that adds it 16:54:08 <Ammler> hg help mq 16:55:56 <Zuu> Thanks, qdelete did it 16:55:59 *** welterde [welterde@hex.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:56:57 <PeterT> woo Terkhen!! 16:59:08 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fed09.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:59:52 <Terkhen> hmm... 17:06:02 <Terkhen> planetmaker: adding {} does not seem to work very well: http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/patches/match_test.png 17:06:37 <Terkhen> at least with my string 17:07:33 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-167-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:38 <Zuu> Terkhen: So you have commited also part2? 17:07:40 <Belugas> horse is back to duty 17:08:31 <Rubidium> Terkhen: that's due to the string not being drawn with DrawStringMultiline 17:08:48 <Terkhen> Zuu: unless I did so by mistake, no 17:09:01 <Rubidium> Terkhen: you probably get some comment on the console as well 17:10:29 <Zuu> I findIt looks like you did commit part 2. The member variable "selected" is there and handling of page up/down etc. 17:10:38 <planetmaker> Terkhen: that looks ugly indeed :-( 17:10:53 <Terkhen> duh 17:11:09 <planetmaker> Terkhen: then make it DrawStringMultiline, if possible ;-) 17:11:19 <planetmaker> it'll help both you and me ;-) 17:11:26 <frosch123> just do "GroÃ/Klein" 17:11:33 <planetmaker> boooring ;-) 17:11:40 <planetmaker> and it's not correct 17:11:45 <frosch123> a two row button will be ugly 17:11:49 <Terkhen> Zuu: I probably did qrefresh at the wrong patch 17:11:50 <frosch123> the editbox is only one line 17:11:55 <planetmaker> because I don't switch between small and capitalized 17:12:56 <Zuu> Terkhen: Fixing the assert should be fairly simple though. Add "(int)this->signs.Length()" to the if-statement before the switch case for page up/down etc. 17:13:09 <Zuu> "(int)this->signs.Length() != 0" it should be. 17:15:44 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-167-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 17:16:16 <Zuu> http://junctioneer.net/openttd/assert_fix.patch 17:16:23 <planetmaker> but I guess... might be the only solution then... No really correct translation :-( 17:17:19 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:18:57 *** welterde [welterde@hex.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 17:23:44 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-167-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:23:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19CE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:53 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has joined #openttd 17:24:21 <Zuu> planetmaker: you could check how it is done for the ai debug window. It also has a "match case" button in trunk. 17:25:25 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-167-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 17:25:59 <planetmaker> good idea. Will do, thanks 17:27:06 <planetmaker> no good idea 17:27:20 <planetmaker> The translation I supplied is worse than bad 17:27:35 <Terkhen> Zuu: the other problems would still be present... each thing at its time :) 17:27:40 <Terkhen> sorry about that 17:27:59 <TomyLobo> i want to extend my station past the 12x12 limit (without cheating and just setting the limit higher). my idea was using a waypoint instead of the station in the trains' timetables 17:28:22 <TomyLobo> with non-nonstop orders 17:28:41 <TomyLobo> would that work? 17:28:52 <TomyLobo> the trains only need to unload btw 17:29:04 <Terkhen> planetmaker: I'll look into it, but I'm guessing it won't be trivial 17:29:22 <planetmaker> Terkhen: the buttons and their translations? 17:29:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r20517 /trunk/src/signs_gui.cpp: -Fix (r20516): Committed way too much. 17:29:35 <planetmaker> I guess we have to become inventive 17:29:36 <Terkhen> using DrawStringMultiLine at buttons 17:29:40 <Zuu> I'm looking at the shift-problem problem, also fairly simple to fix I think. The focus thing you mentioned is most non-trivial. However I'm not sure I agree on that the arrow keys should scroll the list while any part of the window is focused. 17:30:37 <Terkhen> but allowing it only at the edit box is almost a "hidden" feature 17:31:04 <Zuu> Ah, good you rolled it back. Then I can calm down and fix the problems. :-) 17:31:50 <Zuu> Well, it 17:32:10 <Zuu> is mainly aimed at those who want to use keyboard only at that window. 17:33:58 <Zuu> My main use case is that someone says "hey look at the trains at sign Blah blah.. ". A keyboard user would then use a hotkey to open the window and focus the edit box and use it from there. 17:34:34 <Zuu> You could allow it for the entire window, but then it clatches with paning the main view. 17:35:11 <Terkhen> if someone sees that the keys worked after using filtering, he will expect them to work in other situations too 17:36:21 *** George is now known as Guest629 17:36:25 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 17:36:54 <Zuu> hmm, good point. 17:37:07 <Wolf01> and triggering an event like on strategy games? I mean, the player "A" selects from the "tile info tool" to broadcast the position to other players with a predefined text like "Hey please, look at this position" which should be clickable as a link 17:37:33 <Zuu> That means, selecting within the result "should" be added to more windows or none. 17:39:34 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-167-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:40:18 <Zuu> And at some point, filtering could be added to many more windows, but you have to start somewhere. 17:40:48 <Zuu> afk -> dinner 17:42:58 *** Guest629 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:46:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20518 /trunk/src/lang/ (15 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:46:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: chuvash - 30 changes by mefisteron 17:46:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 4 changes by VoyagerOne 17:46:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: czech - 2 changes by marek995 17:46:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 5 changes by habell 17:46:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 5 changes by jpx_ 17:46:59 <avdg> hmm.. I'm still looking at how the dropdown menu works 17:51:08 <avdg> if you are searching for the widget on a 2d coordinate, you retrieve the most inner widget right? 17:52:26 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 17:54:07 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:58:43 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-114.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:59:23 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:59:59 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:01:12 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:03:14 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-123-213.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:14:43 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:58 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 18:22:07 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:23:11 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:23:41 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-14-138-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 18:23:41 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:24:47 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:25:38 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26:24 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:38:17 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:38:31 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:43:06 <Zuu> Hmm, didn't we have a sticky thread about the nightlies before? 18:43:34 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44:15 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:44:46 <Rubidium> Zuu: what are your intentions for it? 18:45:12 <Zuu> I was just wondering why there is no nightly yet, and wanted to see if someone already had complained about it. 18:45:40 <Rubidium> usually it's because one of the mirors is slow 18:46:44 <Zuu> Oh, ok and finger + website waits until all mirrors are done? 18:46:50 <Rubidium> exactly 18:50:01 <Rubidium> having said that... restarting the compile farm's VM doesn't trigger the "queueing" of compile jobs 18:50:31 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:51:16 *** rtypo [rtypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has quit [] 18:55:35 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@banning.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:00:33 *** TruePika [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:00:44 <TruePika> Xrufuian: How's your internet going? 19:00:55 <Xrufuian> Fine. 19:00:57 *** TruePika is now known as TruePikachu 19:01:01 <TruePikachu> Got fixed? 19:01:08 <Xrufuian> Yep. 19:01:18 <TruePikachu> I've been working on trying to generate a good map for tomorrow 19:01:46 <TruePikachu> One step was converting a savegame (which I have up on the flyspray) to a scenerio 19:01:53 <TruePikachu> I asked here how to do it 19:02:04 <TruePikachu> Someone told me to use Windows Explorer for it 19:02:30 <Xrufuian> Haha! I don't think that's part of KDE... 19:02:37 <TruePikachu> Or Linux in general 19:03:01 <TruePikachu> Last night, I learned about the ^Z sequence and the Alt-SysRq sequence 19:03:40 <TruePikachu> The latter kills the foreground process, and is reccomented to use before logging in 19:03:59 <TruePikachu> The former lets you run multiple programs on one tty terminal 19:04:17 <TruePikachu> Now to learn how to move a process from one terminal to another... 19:04:32 <Xrufuian> By the way, I've been working on the NewGRF idea I mentioned in the e-mail. 19:04:44 <TruePikachu> Well, anyway, the new game will have NewStations, and regearing enabled for NARS 19:04:56 * TruePikachu hasn't checked his e-mail 19:05:12 <TruePikachu> brb 19:05:43 <TruePikachu> :( I can't push irssi to the background 19:06:56 <TruePikachu> But, I got vlock working (lets me lock the tty terminals) 19:07:15 <Xrufuian> How would you like a new computer? 19:07:44 <Sacro> use screen or something 19:08:59 *** darkomen [4dc2a7fb@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:09:40 <planetmaker> TruePikachu: IE on non-windoze is not _that_ far-fetched: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internetexplorer#OS_compatibility 19:09:57 <TruePikachu> planetmaker: ...I use FireFox 19:10:17 <TruePikachu> Windows Explorer != Internet Explorer 19:10:33 <TruePikachu> The former is for local files, the latter is for web addresses 19:11:22 <TruePikachu> However, from Win98 to IE7, Microsoft has tried to hide the difference 19:11:43 <planetmaker> there's not much of one 19:11:47 <TruePikachu> They are two completly different tasks 19:11:51 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 19:11:55 <TruePikachu> iexplore.exe vs. explorer.exe 19:12:45 <TruePikachu> Now, it looks like /me will have to get SCREEN installed here if he will move processes from one terminal to another 19:14:49 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 19:14:49 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [] 19:16:12 <TruePikachu> Now, I have to read about screen 19:16:35 <TruePikachu> me gets his (free) Ubuntu book, despite the fact he isn't using Ubuntu 19:17:13 <Xrufuian> Maybe you will be soon... 19:17:29 <TruePikachu> No, I need to use Slackware on this computer 19:17:45 <Xrufuian> What if I give you a computer. 19:17:53 <TruePikachu> I don't think that will happen 19:18:11 * TruePikachu recalls a specific Google ad: Download free Hardware 19:18:28 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:43 *** welshdragon [~dragon@millsie.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:24 <TruePikachu> Lol 19:20:31 <Xrufuian> Why not? I've got lots of spare parts. My father would like very much to give you a computer that is comparable to mine. 19:20:41 <TruePikachu> I just found the book again, and the back inside cover: 19:20:59 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 19:21:04 <TruePikachu> "Buy this book in 2008 and recieve a <b>Free Upgrade to Ubuntu 8.10</b> 19:21:06 <TruePikachu> " 19:21:34 <Xrufuian> Haha! Ubuntu is already free. What a scam. 19:21:53 <TruePikachu> If you want, I can take a picture 19:22:13 <TruePikachu> Wait, IDK where my camera is ATM 19:23:07 <Xrufuian> Na. I'd prefer some pics of the Hundai-ROTEM CEM coaches, so I could finish drawing that. 19:24:41 *** perk111 [~perk11@85.175.197.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:25:07 * TruePikachu is already confused by the sheer awesomness which is screen 19:26:22 <TruePikachu> Yesterday, I discovered a new keyboard shortcut in Firefox 19:26:51 <TruePikachu> Quick Find can be activated with "/" 19:27:02 <TruePikachu> lol that I just discovered it yesterday 19:27:32 <Xrufuian> What does it matter to me? I use Chrome or Chromium. 19:27:40 <TruePikachu> See if "/" does Find 19:27:56 <Rubidium> Zuu: *you* could have said that there was no nightly build yesterday either 19:28:13 <frosch123> what surprises me more is that ctrl+f does something different to / 19:28:25 <TruePikachu> Which program? Firefox? 19:28:34 <TruePikachu> ^F does the full-featured Find 19:28:39 <Zuu> yep, sorry did you do a lot of work because I didn't say that? 19:28:43 <TruePikachu> / does the Quick Find 19:29:39 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-14-138-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:46 <Rubidium> Zuu: I did more work yes; trying to explain that the mirrors are occasionally slow. If you hadn't said anything I wouldn't have noticed it either I guess 19:29:50 <TruePikachu> If you're talking about Vim, well, you can type ^F = 19:30:04 <TruePikachu> (lol, ^F didn't display) 19:30:25 * TruePikachu wonders what that is even used for in plaintext 19:30:53 * Rubidium wonders whether rsync has some "incremental" feature so it stores the previous state and only sends the changes since that state 19:31:10 <frosch123> TruePikachu: what is the vim hotkey to start a proper editor? 19:31:11 <Zuu> Sorry about that. I'll be more verbose next time. I didn't want to complain to much. 19:31:38 <TruePikachu> frosch123: There is none. Vim _is_ a proper editor 19:32:15 <TruePikachu> However, if you are running a GUI, you may want to try running gVim instead 19:32:17 <Zuu> Vim is _the_ proper editor* 19:32:26 <TruePikachu> Zuu: Yes 19:32:55 <TruePikachu> However, in school, OOO is better 19:33:13 <TruePikachu> My teacher actually showed how little she knows 19:33:32 <TruePikachu> She told me that the only program she wants me to type my assignments in is MS Word 19:33:51 <TruePikachu> Xrufuian: Remember that? 19:34:28 <Xrufuian> Yes, I rember that very stupid statment. 19:34:50 <TruePikachu> She wouldn't listen to me telling her that Word wouldn't work 19:35:13 <TruePikachu> Then Xrufuian told her the same thing, she told him to shut up because she was talking to me 19:35:24 <Xrufuian> By the way, the amdinistration just screwed up royal a few days ago... 19:35:33 <TruePikachu> Then I tried telling her again, and she told me to shut up because she was talking to me 19:35:46 <Xrufuian> That was funny. 19:35:52 <TruePikachu> Xrufuian: What did the admin do? 19:36:06 <TruePikachu> Set the DNS server to 127.0.0.1 again 19:36:07 <TruePikachu> ? 19:36:54 <TruePikachu> (Just in case, that IP was 127 0 0 1, or localhost) 19:37:55 <Xrufuian> They set my class scedule, without a meeting (so IEP violation), and put me in Pournell's phisics class, dispite the fact that I have zero of the req. Life sicence credits... 19:38:17 <TruePikachu> I got my classes w/o an IEP either, and I have her for homeroom 19:38:34 <Xrufuian> I still have Toscano. 19:38:42 <TruePikachu> At least it isn't Lee...(for my homeroom) 19:39:08 <TruePikachu> He yells at me for locking the computer 19:39:15 <TruePikachu> I go to it, and it says: 19:39:27 <TruePikachu> Press Ctrl-Alt-Delete to begin... 19:42:21 <Xrufuian> THG is in hot water. My father is going to send in a complaint to the state. 19:43:36 <Xrufuian> Anyways, I seem to recall you had an idea for a NewGRF? 19:44:20 <TruePikachu> I don't remember what it was... 19:44:40 <Xrufuian> Something about signals? 19:44:54 <TruePikachu> I don't think so... 19:44:54 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:12 <TruePikachu> ...it could have been a NOT gate, but that is impossible with Grf 19:45:28 <Xrufuian> There was something like two or three ideas. 19:45:42 <TruePikachu> ...and my signal idea with priority would need to be a patch... 19:45:58 <TruePikachu> IDK, go dig in the logs 19:46:02 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:46:30 <Xrufuian> Since when where face-to-face conversations logged? 19:47:13 <TruePikachu> Oh, I thought you meant on IRC 19:48:06 <Xrufuian> No, I think we never spoke of our ideas on IRC. We did once or twice in email. 19:48:12 <TruePikachu> Oh, something like a hovering light above the signal that you can easily see 19:48:21 <TruePikachu> From any orientation 19:48:31 <TruePikachu> To help with junction debugging 19:49:05 <Xrufuian> That sounds like it, but there was something more... 19:49:18 <TruePikachu> Hmmm... 19:49:30 <TruePikachu> IDK 19:50:13 <Xrufuian> Oh! I remember now! 19:51:05 <Xrufuian> The idea was to create signals that are even easier to distinguish apart. 19:51:13 <TruePikachu> Oh yeak 19:51:18 <TruePikachu> *yeah 19:51:36 <planetmaker> Xrufuian: give them to me 19:51:39 * TruePikachu is currently thinking a hover above the default signal graphics 19:51:55 <planetmaker> Though we right now got better signals, but I haven't tested them ingame 19:52:11 <planetmaker> But currently the default ones are... hard on the eyes 19:52:24 <TruePikachu> I'll draw up some diagrams of my current idea 19:52:41 <Xrufuian> planetmaker: In OpenGFX, you mean? 19:52:46 <planetmaker> yes 19:53:25 <TruePikachu> Yesterday, I was trying to reverse engineer a junction 19:53:32 <TruePikachu> I couldn't ident the signals easily 19:55:13 <Xrufuian> I wonder if the concept graphics are still in my OpenTTD folder. I'll be right back. 19:56:25 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-26-106.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:56:31 <Xrufuian> Yes! Found them! 20:00:53 <TruePikachu> Sorry for my bad art: tinyurl.com/openttdsignal 20:01:04 <TruePikachu> You may be able to make out the parts 20:01:11 <TruePikachu> Left is red block 20:01:18 <TruePikachu> Biddle green pre-signal 20:01:21 <TruePikachu> *Middle 20:01:30 <TruePikachu> Right top clear one-way PBS 20:01:31 * TomyLobo hands TruePikachu http:// 20:01:43 <TruePikachu> http://tinyurl.com/openttdsignal 20:01:56 <TruePikachu> Right bottom is two-way red PBS 20:02:21 <TruePikachu> This can be a GRF, not intended for OpenGFX 20:02:25 <TomyLobo> just use semaphores for the simple block signals :) 20:02:52 <TruePikachu> No, these signal 'mode diagrams' 'hover' above the signal 20:03:00 <TomyLobo> oh 20:03:06 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-4db0e044.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:09 <TruePikachu> So you can tell at a glance 20:03:14 <TruePikachu> It would best be a GRF 20:03:31 <TomyLobo> about pbs signals... arent they red anyway, most of the time? 20:03:37 <TruePikachu> Yes. 20:03:48 <TruePikachu> The green is just to maintain consistancy 20:03:58 <Xrufuian> Do you still have the file "NDS Samples.pcx"? 20:04:05 <V453000> hmm ... what is the maximum of train order count please? 20:04:13 <TruePikachu> I don't know if I ever even got that file 20:04:13 <TomyLobo> try it out 20:04:23 <TruePikachu> Wait, what do you mean? 20:04:41 <V453000> maximum amount of orders you can set for one vehicle 20:04:50 <TruePikachu> V453000: Most likely around 2^n, where n is an integer 20:05:02 <TruePikachu> It may be 2^n - 1 20:05:29 <V453000> ... 20:05:37 <TruePikachu> Lets put it this way: If you run out of orders, you have too many orders :P 20:05:40 <V453000> now tell me n 20:05:41 <V453000> :) 20:05:49 <TruePikachu> 0 < n < Over 9000!!! 20:05:50 <planetmaker> V453000: >100 20:05:55 <planetmaker> I *think* 255 20:06:12 <TruePikachu> ^^ that would likely be 8 for n 20:06:22 <TruePikachu> 255 = 2^8 - 1 20:06:40 <V453000> 255 orders? 20:06:54 <Xrufuian> 255 would be logical. Common computing numbers. 20:06:54 <V453000> @calc 11*3*4 20:06:54 <DorpsGek> V453000: 132 20:07:03 <V453000> hmm I forgot something :) 20:07:28 <Rubidium> @calc 11*3*42 20:07:28 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 1386 20:07:35 <Rubidium> yes... that definitely isn't going to fit! 20:07:41 <TruePikachu> I doubt you could use 2^255 = 57896044618658097711785492504343953926634992332820282019728792003956564819968 orders, could you? 20:08:15 <TruePikachu> ^^ that took a while to type in 20:08:20 <Rubidium> although I gladly give you a binary with a smaller limit 20:08:36 <V453000> I rather need a high limit :p 20:08:48 <TruePikachu> OVER 9000!!! <-- like that? 20:08:57 <Xrufuian> 65535? 20:09:20 <V453000> dunno how many yet :p 20:09:28 <V453000> oh 20:09:31 <V453000> 20*3*4 20:09:38 <V453000> @calc 20*4*3 20:09:38 <DorpsGek> V453000: 240 20:09:41 <V453000> maybe 20:09:47 <V453000> but seems like it is possible :) 20:10:00 * TruePikachu wonders how big the savegame would be if V453000 decided to use 1000 trains, each with 65535 orders each, all orders unique 20:10:24 <Xrufuian> Depends on the map size. 20:10:27 <TruePikachu> ^^ as in no shared orders 20:10:33 <TruePikachu> Let's use 2048^2 20:10:35 <V453000> I use just one shared orders group 20:10:38 <V453000> :p 20:11:49 <TruePikachu> I use short order lists 20:11:57 <V453000> well, normally :p 20:12:10 <V453000> but sometimes one needs to go nuts :p 20:12:28 * TruePikachu is imagining if V453000 is like a Co-op with 453000 members 20:12:38 <V453000> ? :o 20:12:49 <TruePikachu> Then again, max number of clients is 255 20:13:21 <V453000> :D 20:13:35 <TruePikachu> V453000: About the comment about going nuts, you should have seen one of Xrufuian's orders 20:13:43 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 20:14:02 <V453000> hehe 20:14:06 <TruePikachu> Xrufuian: Remember that bus you put in that city in the game where I kernel panic'd? 20:14:19 <Xrufuian> Yep. 20:14:29 <TruePikachu> 1. Goto XYZ 00 20:14:32 <TruePikachu> 2. Goto XYZ 01 20:14:35 <TruePikachu> 3. Goto XYZ 02 20:14:36 <TruePikachu> ... 20:14:48 <TruePikachu> 9. Goto XYZ 08 20:15:05 <TruePikachu> 10. If vehical needs replacing in 10 months, goto order 2 20:15:08 <Zuu> The order limit is probably 128 or 255. There was an early AI that built airports and solved the inverse traveling salesmen problem (as long path as possible). It ran into the order length maximum. 20:15:28 <TruePikachu> ^^ it's as short of a path as possible :P 20:15:40 <TruePikachu> Oh, inverse 20:15:49 <Zuu> Tha's why I said the _inverse_ TSP problem. 20:15:53 <Zuu> That's* 20:15:59 <V453000> order 254: too many orders 20:16:55 <Xrufuian> 255: Quit Job & shout at mircomanaging CEO... 20:17:13 <V453000> lets use all 254 orders :) 20:18:12 <TruePikachu> Lol @ backspace in SCREEN 20:18:58 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:20 <avdg> what blocks it :p 20:20:42 <TruePikachu> brb 20:20:49 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Moving this to SCREEN] 20:21:18 *** TruePika [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:21:22 *** TruePika is now known as TruePikachu 20:25:25 <TruePikachu> Did anyone say anything since my join? 20:26:10 <Xrufuian> Nope. 20:27:12 <Belugas> or... between your departure and your join 20:27:21 <Belugas> neither, anyway 20:27:23 <TruePikachu> After my most recent join 20:27:34 <frosch123> we just deicded for a party place 20:28:00 <TruePikachu> ??? 20:28:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-49-59.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:28:56 <V453000> :D 20:29:05 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:40 <TruePikachu> Lol, I just moved irssi to KDE from tty1 20:29:51 <V453000> wtf 123? :D 20:30:09 *** Sacro [~ben@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust880.mfld.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:30:40 <TruePikachu> Hello, I'm back in tty1 20:30:59 *** sn6 [~x@nova.medozas.de] has joined #openttd 20:32:28 <planetmaker> 123? 20:32:39 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 20:33:28 <V453000> pm: just pointing out at the amount of shortcuts I dont actually understand :p 20:34:00 <sn6> Someone once told me that increasing profit by increasing distance has an actual limit. Was there something like that? 20:34:18 <V453000> yes, 2048 tiles? :D 20:34:47 <planetmaker> actually 4096 tiles ;-) 20:34:54 <Rubidium> sn6: yes, after a certain distance the profit per <time> decreases 20:34:57 <V453000> well whatever :p 20:34:57 <planetmaker> (=diagonal) 20:35:05 <V453000> yea 20:35:38 <TruePikachu> 4092, you can't actually use the outermost row or column 20:35:45 <Rubidium> just take a look at the http://wiki.openttd.org/Cargo_income page 20:36:22 <Rubidium> the distance vs income graph to be specific 20:37:26 <Rubidium> what it basically shows is that one train doing 2 600 tile trips makes more money than 1 train doing 1 1200 tile trip 20:37:59 *** darkomen [4dc2a7fb@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:39:02 <Rubidium> the income still rises over longer distances, but the income per time unit decreases after those 600 tiles 20:39:29 <Rubidium> (and that is for one specific case; those graphs can be made for all cargos, the numbers will be different though) 20:41:17 <Rubidium> but then... it all depends on how you "calculate" profit; at the end of the trip the one 1200 tile trip will make a higher profit than the 600 tile trip, but because the 600 tile trip can be done twice the profit for the 2 600 tile trips is higher 20:43:28 <sn6> Rubidium: thanks, the wiki explains everything - no need to repaste ;) 20:44:04 <Rubidium> sn6: I'm trying to educate V453000 and planetmaker a bit as well :) 20:44:13 <planetmaker> :-) 20:44:20 <V453000> \o/ 20:45:37 <sn6> hm cargo payment graph patch is still not included 20:46:11 <TruePikachu> Lol 20:46:22 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-0cf1e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:46:24 <TruePikachu> This is running in both tty1 AND Kde 20:46:30 <sn6> or is it? it doesn't look like it. 20:46:54 * TruePikachu likes SCREEN 20:47:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19CE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:48:10 <V453000> I am usually running on ground 20:48:16 <V453000> I really dont like to fall :) 20:50:33 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:36 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 20:51:47 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:53:37 <TruePikachu> I'm going to try to switch this computer to runlevel 3, but IRSSI may be killed 20:53:43 <TruePikachu> brb (possibly) 20:54:29 <TruePikachu> Lol, I'm still here 20:55:52 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-26-106.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56:18 *** Sacro [~ben@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust880.13-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:56:56 <TruePikachu> Lol, still here 20:57:04 <TruePikachu> On the computer in my living room 20:57:06 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-26-106.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:57:07 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-26-106.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57:16 <TruePikachu> WinXP 20:57:42 <TruePikachu> Gotta love PuTTY 20:58:28 <sn6> you sound like you've just seen toasted bread for the first time 20:58:43 <darkomen> Aren't you in the Prof Chen lab? 20:58:59 <darkomen> =) 20:59:41 <TruePikachu> sn6: This is the first time I've brought an IRSSI session from tty1, to KDE, back to tty1, merged it into KDE, and accessed it from the fastest computer in the house 20:59:47 <TruePikachu> darkomen: ? 21:00:18 <darkomen> prof oak in english version. 21:00:27 <TruePikachu> No, I'm in Johto 21:00:36 <TruePikachu> In the Radio Tower 21:01:27 <darkomen> ohhh 21:01:35 <TruePikachu> Playing Buena's Password 21:01:42 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-26-106.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:01:44 <TruePikachu> It just came on 21:01:54 * darkomen just find a true Pokemon Fan O_o 21:02:00 <TruePikachu> ^^ found 21:02:05 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:02:17 * TruePikachu wves to MAY 21:02:20 <TruePikachu> *waves 21:03:24 <TruePikachu> Xrufuian's game glitched up, and he became May 21:06:17 <TruePikachu> Lol, I'm on my DS now 21:07:59 * TruePikachu wonders if it is possible to remotly use X 21:08:22 <sn6> TruePikachu: tightvnc 21:08:41 <Eddi|zuHause> <Wolf01> and triggering an event like on strategy games? I mean, the player "A" selects from the "tile info tool" to broadcast the position to other players with a predefined text like "Hey please, look at this position" which should be clickable as a link <--- making the chat text clickable is very non-trivial, but if you provide a patch... 21:08:59 <TruePikachu> Does it work without tty7 leaking the X session? 21:09:00 <sn6> sn6: or plain X forwarding (Xming on Windows) 21:09:11 <sn6> truepikachu: or plain X forwarding (Xming on Windows) 21:09:46 <TruePikachu> I'll look into that 21:09:55 <sn6> subsequently, there is also Xnest (though more of a gimmick to show that nothing "leaks") 21:10:26 <Wolf01> you can always use the newspaper way, and deny to disable that kind of "news", you could also limit to 1 request every 10 seconds to limit the news-spam 21:12:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: ideally, it would just parse the incoming chat for town names, station names, sign text, etc. 21:12:39 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:12:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: the same things that you would tab-complete in the chat input 21:12:52 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:12:58 * TruePikachu still finds SCREEN amazing 21:13:42 <Nite_Owl> I am guessing that the compile farm is having a few off days ?? 21:13:49 <Eddi|zuHause> TruePikachu: did you try "ssh -X" yet? [or -Y, depending on your paranoia] 21:14:18 <TruePikachu> no, I'll read the man page 21:14:34 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite_Owl: a random hiccup caused it to not trigger automatically today 21:14:44 <TruePikachu> But I mean, can you have 2 different X sessions going? 21:15:08 <avdg> :p so long the nightlies aren't distributed, I'm won't get complains ^^ 21:15:11 <Eddi|zuHause> TruePikachu: you mean like a remote desktop or something? 21:15:19 <TruePikachu> Yeah 21:15:27 <Nite_Owl> and yesterday as well - not a problem though - just my curiosity looking for confirmation 21:15:29 <TruePikachu> Something like ssh ing 21:16:05 <Eddi|zuHause> TruePikachu: try krdc 21:16:12 <Rubidium> hmm, the binaries are made... only finger wasn't updated... /me blames myself once more 21:16:13 <sn6> TruePikachu: x2go 21:16:32 <TruePikachu> krdc and x2go? 21:16:45 <sn6> depends on what you now actually want. minutes ago it was screen. 21:17:27 <TruePikachu> I'm just asking if those are the correct spellings 21:17:54 <TruePikachu> These letters are 4x5 pixels large on a DS 21:18:22 <Nite_Owl> I am sure that in the due course of things it will all be put right - no hurry - no worry 21:18:27 <Eddi|zuHause> TruePikachu: it's the KDE Remote Desktop Client (where remote desktop protocol is the one used by windows, so you can login to windows pcs this way) 21:18:41 <TruePikachu> Ok 21:18:42 <Xrufuian> Cool. 21:18:50 <Rubidium> Nite_Owl: it should show up in a few minutes 21:18:54 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-123-213.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:20:30 <Eddi|zuHause> TruePikachu: the disadvantage over ssh -X is that you need server-side programs running 21:23:18 <Nite_Owl> Thank you Rubidium - tomorrow would have worked just as well but since you are being so efficient I will get my trunk fix today 21:25:28 <TruePikachu> I just looked at the ssh man page 21:26:30 <Rubidium> Nite_Owl: had to test my fix, which in effect fixed the website 21:28:46 <TruePikachu> clear 21:28:48 <Nite_Owl> Thank you once again - I will do the download 21:28:50 <TruePikachu> O_o 21:29:01 * TruePikachu forgot / 21:29:50 *** Osai [~Osai@vs185047.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: bye - http://www.openttdcoop.org] 21:29:50 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs185047.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish] 21:29:50 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs185047.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 21:29:50 *** tneo [~tneo@vs185047.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 21:29:50 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs185047.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: ...und tschￜￜ!] 21:30:02 <TruePikachu> ^^ LOL 21:30:35 <TruePikachu> vs185047.vserver.de just fell 21:31:05 <TruePikachu> Or something 21:39:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure it's Ammler's fault ;) 21:48:45 *** Osai [~Osai@vs185047.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 21:50:15 *** tneo [~tneo@vs185047.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 21:50:19 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs185047.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 21:50:31 *** Guest654 [~pm@vs185047.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 21:51:01 <Zuu> Hmm, the re-ordered AI gui adds a colon to the setting description even if it is zero length. 21:51:39 *** sn6 [~x@nova.medozas.de] has quit [Quit: *] 21:51:45 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs185047.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 21:52:00 *** Guest654 is now known as planetmaker 21:55:45 <frosch123> is that troublesome? 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22:42:40 <Eddi|zuHause> an owl is usually an animal 22:45:33 <TruePikachu> If you look at his last statement, it implies that he gets fed, rather than that he feeds himself 22:45:53 <TruePikachu> He most likely would be a pet owl, if he is an owl 22:46:31 <TomyLobo> (°v°) 22:46:35 <TruePikachu> lol 22:46:46 <TruePikachu> Say that when he comes back 22:46:57 <TruePikachu> RIGHT when he comes back 22:47:07 <TomyLobo> you do that, i need to go to bed ^^ 22:47:21 <TruePikachu> What is the hex code for your square? 22:47:34 <TruePikachu> *eyes 22:47:54 <TomyLobo> shift+^ :D 22:48:03 <TomyLobo> just a degree sign 22:48:08 <TomyLobo> or use copypaste 22:48:15 <TruePikachu> ...Shift+Shift+6, eh? 22:48:23 <TruePikachu> I just get ^ 22:48:37 <TomyLobo> german keyboard 22:49:11 <Xrufuian> Chris, you don't have an Alt. Gr key... 22:49:29 <TomyLobo> i dont need one for the degree sign either 22:49:38 <TruePikachu> Well, if I have one, it would likely be RIGHT ALT 22:50:26 <Xrufuian> You'll have to change the keyboard layout settings. 22:50:35 * TruePikachu doesn't know how to :P 22:50:45 <TruePikachu> What command would it likely be? 22:51:18 <Xrufuian> AFAIK, you need to do it via GUI. 22:51:46 <TruePikachu> Well, then, it won't carry over to the console, IIRC 22:52:37 <TruePikachu> Wait, I found it 22:52:56 <TruePikachu> The current setting for it is US 22:53:11 <Xrufuian> US-Standard, right? 22:53:31 <Ammler> this AI debug crashes our Autopilot :-( 22:53:32 <TruePikachu> Yeah 22:53:47 <TruePikachu> Lol, e-macs editor layout is availible 22:54:39 <Xrufuian> Is there a setting like "US-International (Alt Gr key)" ? 22:54:45 <TruePikachu> I didn't see one 22:55:11 <Xrufuian> Is there one called "US-Indernational"? 22:55:25 <Ammler> hmm, should I have set Severity of FS#4042 to critical? 22:55:25 <TruePikachu> No, there is no US-inDernational 22:55:32 <Ammler> or is that only, if it would crash openttd? 22:55:34 <TruePikachu> Nor is there a US-International 22:55:55 <TruePikachu> There is a Unicode, though 22:56:11 <Xrufuian> Um, ok?... 22:56:50 <TruePikachu> It gives SOME AltGr support 22:56:59 <Xrufuian> Let me boot the VM so I can see what you're dealing with. 22:57:00 <TruePikachu> (I.E.AltGr+4=$ 22:57:07 <TruePikachu> Hmmm... 22:57:18 <TruePikachu> I'll make a simple account for you 22:57:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: setting things to critical is likely putting you on all kinds of ignore lists ;) 22:57:49 <Ammler> :-) 22:57:52 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:57:59 <Ammler> I might be there already :-P 22:58:52 <TruePikachu> What port is SSH? 22:58:55 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 22:59:16 <Xrufuian> Well, I told him we should have a private IM system... 22:59:40 <TruePikachu> What port is SSH??? I need to forward it 22:59:59 <Rubidium> Ammler: 4042 looks more like a local configuration error; having two content downloads with the same data 23:00:34 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:01 <TruePikachu> Xrufuian: WHAT PORT IS SSH?! 23:01:03 <Xrufuian> Chris: Port 22 23:01:10 <Ammler> Rubidium: like a symlink from working dir to ~/.openttd/content_download? 23:01:42 <Ammler> hmm 23:01:49 <Rubidium> yep... those are seen as two different directories 23:01:49 <TruePikachu> K. 23:01:54 <Rubidium> and it'll scan both 23:02:09 <Rubidium> and thus find a load of duplicates 23:02:33 <Rubidium> and having two different versions of the same AI with the same version is a quite serious bug w.r.t. bananas 23:02:55 <Ammler> I did that because bananas does download to workdir instead of ~/.openttd 23:03:05 <Ammler> (we have a cfg there) 23:04:08 <Ammler> but to keep one bananas for every server 23:04:42 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-4db0e044.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 23:04:57 <Rubidium> -dai=-1? 23:05:09 <Ammler> should that work? 23:05:27 <Ammler> I thought I tried once, but then it didn't 23:05:28 <Rubidium> you could at least try 23:05:37 <TruePikachu> Xrufuian: Tell me when you're in 23:06:21 <Zuu> TruePikachu: If you are on Linux then there is setxkbmap for X and another command which I have forgotten for the layout to be usen in the alt + <number> consoles. 23:06:46 <Zuu> If you add custom layouts, you need to make two of them, one for the console and one for X. :-p 23:06:47 <TruePikachu> Zuu: Those consoles are just called the console 23:06:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20520 /branches/1.0/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 23:06:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk: 23:06:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Draw error messages in white by default, they may not have a colour set when coming from a NewGRF (r20514) 23:06:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Entering half the 'generation seeds' in the console's 'newgame' command failed to set the correct seed [FS#4036] (r20512) 23:06:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Desync when converting rail all as trains with a part on the converted rails need updating and not only the engines (r20500) 23:07:00 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Ignore the non-stop state when comparing one order type to another order type, otherwise non-stop nearest depot orders fail [FS#4030] (r20498) 23:07:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Non-dedicated servers failing to load a game caused the introgame to be the server's game causing desyncs when people tried to join [FS#3960] (r20497) 23:07:14 * TruePikachu wants to kick CIA-2 for flood 23:07:36 <Ammler> I wonder that you survived that long here 23:07:57 <TruePikachu> ? Those7 messages appeared at once here 23:08:02 <TruePikachu> *Those 7 23:08:03 <Zuu> Shall we count the number of lines you have typed this evening and compare with CIA-2? 23:08:33 <TruePikachu> Xrufuian: what's your status for connecting? 23:08:42 <TruePikachu> nvm, I see you 23:08:59 <Wolf01> 'night 23:09:05 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host176-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:09:15 * Zuu gets happy when CIA-2 posts 23:09:19 <Ammler> Rubidium: I am still not able to reproduce it, I only see those debug output in the screen when AP+ freezes 23:09:34 <Ammler> if I reload, it is fine 23:10:14 <Rubidium> still... AP+ is buggy if it can't handle unexpected (debug) output 23:10:21 <Ammler> yep, it is 23:10:53 <Ammler> but I also wonder about debug output with level 0 23:10:59 <dihedral> it used to be able to handle those 23:11:07 <dihedral> i.e. 'ignore' them ^^ 23:11:13 <TruePikachu> Xrufuian: Type "echo <msg> | wall" 23:11:28 <Ammler> dihedral: yeah, we might have broken it in the meantime :-) 23:11:29 <dihedral> it merely passes them through - at least that was what happened the last time i edited ap+ 23:11:50 <dihedral> yep - that what happesn if you muck about with stuff too much 23:12:01 <Ammler> without any idea :-P 23:12:05 <dihedral> + i saw that you ignroe the client id in the join message 23:12:32 <dihedral> handling the client id in the join message would speed up things quite significantly 23:13:02 <dihedral> i.e. executing callback scripts right away rather than after 3 - 5 s 23:13:19 <Ammler> we coded that out? 23:13:26 <dihedral> :-) 23:13:33 <dihedral> you tried to 'fix' something 23:13:34 <TruePikachu> Xrufuian: If you load up nano or vim, you can test the KB 23:13:35 <dihedral> someone did 23:13:38 <dihedral> you = openttdcoop 23:13:38 <TruePikachu> Maybe 23:13:57 <Ammler> well, finally it might be me :-) 23:14:37 <dihedral> anyway - past my bed time 23:14:39 <dihedral> good night ^^ 23:14:44 <TruePikachu> lol, 'man nano' 23:14:59 <Ammler> we never really took much care about it 23:14:59 * TruePikachu can see what you do 23:15:12 <Ammler> since we were just waiting for Avignon :-P 23:15:28 <TruePikachu> And back to BASH 23:15:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20521 /branches/1.0/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 23:15:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk: 23:15:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Desync when vehicles change NewGRF properties such as visual effect when changing railtype [FS#3978] (r20505, r20504, r20503, r20502) 23:16:56 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@banning.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 23:17:29 <Ammler> banning! 23:18:23 <TruePikachu> Xrufuian: Type "screen" 23:19:02 <TruePikachu> Wait, I forget how to see it... 23:19:08 <Zuu> TruePikachu: Have you heard of /msg ? 23:19:11 <Eddi|zuHause> <Ammler> but I also wonder about debug output with level 0 <- i agree. it should rather be shown at debug level 1, and debug level for ai set to 1 by default. like it is done for debug level net for dedicated servers 23:19:11 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [] 23:19:43 <Ammler> well, if -1 works 23:19:46 <Eddi|zuHause> then setting debug level to 0 should override this output 23:20:00 <Eddi|zuHause> debug level -1 is unintuitive at best 23:21:09 <Ammler> is there some debug output with level 0, I can trigger to test? 23:21:16 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but that is more like proposing *all* debug levels to be bumped by one level 23:21:31 <Rubidium> so you can disable any (or all) debug output 23:21:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: why? ai is the first thing i notice that is this spammy on debug level 0 23:22:06 *** darkomen [4dc2a7fb@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:24:09 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 23:24:13 <Rubidium> it is only spammy when things are wrong (AFAIK) 23:24:20 <Eddi|zuHause> "you know, the film Eat, Pray, Love is rated 'R' - You know what the 'R' stands for?" 23:24:33 <Eddi|zuHause> "RUN!! GUYS, RUN!!" 23:25:24 <Ammler> well, I see no reason, why not sharing bananas, since those data would be identical anyway 23:25:50 <Ammler> hmm, I could symlink it somehwere else maybe 23:26:46 <Ammler> but it isn't really doing something wrong, imo 23:27:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't really know the problem, but it's probably openttd's fault that it doesn't weed out duplicates properly... which should be no problem if the md5sums are known 23:27:54 <Rubidium> neither is OpenTTD; it finds two AIs with the exact same version (which is supposed to be an unique identifier) 23:28:19 <Rubidium> and thus it warns about that and tells you which one it has chosen 23:29:56 *** neckel [~neckel@189.4.78.58] has joined #openttd 23:30:37 <neckel> hi there... 23:30:41 <neckel> I need a help 23:30:45 <TruePikachu> ? 23:31:15 <TruePikachu> Xrufuian: lol 23:31:20 <neckel> I'm trying to make a Goal on my server... 23:31:35 <neckel> can anyone help me 23:31:39 <TruePikachu> I don't think that Openttd has support for Goals 23:31:47 <TruePikachu> And that wasn't a question mark 23:32:02 <neckel> sorry... =D ... there it is ? 23:32:05 <Rubidium> not really. Those who have implemented goals on their server are very secretive about it, i.e. they don't share it 23:32:13 <TruePikachu> is what you typed 23:32:18 <TruePikachu> Ctrl+^ 23:32:24 <TruePikachu> Or ^^ 23:32:35 <neckel> hummmm 23:32:44 <TruePikachu> The last notation looks weird 23:32:46 <neckel> it's very hard to find anything about Goals 23:32:54 <Xrufuian> IIRC, the goal servers are modified versions of OpenTTD. 23:33:05 <glx> with secret modifications 23:33:24 <Rubidium> neckel: that is because they are so secretive about what they've been doing with OpenTTD to implement goals 23:33:33 <neckel> hum... 23:33:39 <neckel> so... changing the question 23:34:08 <neckel> I want to do a command to client usage... like /help or /info 23:34:20 <neckel> <<sry about my english>> 23:34:52 <TruePikachu> ? 23:34:58 <neckel> does anyone know how can I do that ? 23:35:09 <Rubidium> you either have to use a "bot" such as autopilot (or whatever the newer versions are called), or you have to modify OpenTTD's source code yourself 23:35:18 <TruePikachu> Again with Ctrl+^ 23:35:28 <Rubidium> although I'm fairly certain there's some code writing involved with the bots as well 23:35:44 <TruePikachu> But what do you mean for commands for client usage? 23:35:45 <neckel> sry TruePikachu... I'm brazilian... my keyboard is ABNT... 23:36:32 <neckel> for example... I type /help on console or in the chat, and the server writes some mensage automaticaly 23:36:52 <TruePikachu> Oh, those things (i.e. /help) are IRC commands 23:37:21 <TruePikachu> OpenTTD does not parse IRC commands 23:37:28 <glx> console commands need source modification, chat commands can be done with bots 23:37:30 <neckel> I will search something about autopilot 23:37:37 <Rubidium> neckel: please ignore TruePikachu... he is extremely dumb and trolling 23:37:37 <neckel> thanks everybody anyway 23:37:41 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:37:43 <TruePikachu> ... 23:37:50 <neckel> ok, thanks... I could see that =D 23:38:03 * TruePikachu was not trolling 23:38:22 <Xrufuian> Well, you did step beyind your knowledge. 23:38:35 <TruePikachu> I didn't really understand the question 23:38:48 <Xrufuian> Then say so! 23:38:57 <glx> and don't replt in this case 23:39:04 <glx> *reply 23:39:07 <TruePikachu> I did say so 23:39:18 <TruePikachu> 16:34 < TruePikachu> But what do you mean for commands for client usage? 23:39:19 <TruePikachu> 16:34 < TruePikachu> But what do you mean for commands for client usage? 23:39:19 <TruePikachu> 16:34 < TruePikachu> But what do you mean for commands for client usage? 23:39:20 <Rubidium> neckel: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Autopilot <- the bot I was talking about 23:39:33 <neckel> thanks =D 23:39:53 <TruePikachu> ^ sorry about pasting 3 times, I was trying to get a context menu, and Putty pasted each click 23:40:00 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.12.136] has joined #openttd 23:44:53 <Xrufuian> Might someone here know why OpenTTD is giving me a dialoge stating ini: " out of group? 23:45:13 <TruePikachu> Xrufuian: I have no idea 23:45:38 <Zuu> Xrufuian: What happens if you rename your openttd.cfg, so that a fresh config is created? 23:45:57 <Xrufuian> Let me see... 23:46:00 <Zuu> Have you touched hotkeys.cfg? 23:46:10 <Xrufuian> nope. 23:46:16 <TruePikachu> Zuu: Is that in 1.0.3? 23:46:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19CE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:28 <Zuu> TruePikachu: Nope, only in recent nightlies. 23:46:43 <Yexo> Xrufuian: you have a line "name = [value]" before the first "[group-name]" line in your config file 23:46:43 <TruePikachu> Oh :( Next month I guess... 23:47:06 <Yexo> TruePikachu: it won't be part of 1.0.4 either 23:47:12 <TruePikachu> O_o why? 23:47:13 <Yexo> you'll have to wait for 1.1 23:47:18 <Yexo> because it isn't a bugfix 23:47:21 <Zuu> Or you can just grab a nightly. 23:47:25 <Yexo> and not a very small feature either 23:47:30 <TruePikachu> Oh 23:47:48 * TruePikachu wonders how long it will be until 1.1 is released 23:48:05 <Yexo> look up the release dates of 0.7 and 1.0 and you can get a good estimate 23:48:06 <Zuu> Not anytime soon. 23:48:25 <Yexo> actually look at 0.6.0 too when you're at it 23:48:26 <Zuu> or what Yexo said. 23:49:16 <TruePikachu> 23:49:26 <TruePikachu> ... 23:51:06 <Xrufuian> Yexo: So the nightly isn't liking my config file leftover from 1.0.3? 23:51:43 <Yexo> Xrufuian: it'll just ignore the line "name = [value]" line that doesn't sit inside a group 23:51:52 <Yexo> it's just a notice that something is wrong with your config file 23:52:07 <Yexo> can't tell what exactly withour a copy of your config file 23:52:32 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:53:04 *** neckel [~neckel@189.4.78.58] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 23:53:05 <Ammler> usually no problem to share the cfg between nightlies and stable 23:53:30 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Quit: Good bye] 23:53:53 <Yexo> it's strange if trunk gives the message bug 1.0.3 does not, I don't remember any recent changes to the config file handling (except the addition of hotkeys.cfg) 23:54:27 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-123-213.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:54:31 <Xrufuian> I'll double check with 1.0.3. 23:56:38 <TruePikachu> Xrufuian: For tommorrow, the map is going to be twice as wide 23:57:07 <TruePikachu> 1024*512 instead of 1024*256 23:59:04 <Xrufuian> I'm going to email you an alpha of the NewGRF project tonight, depending on if I get time to fix a little bug in it.