Log for #openttd on 7th September 2010:
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00:01:26  <Nite_Owl> I guess all of the developers have gone to sleep. I keep forgetting the time difference.
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00:05:30  <ccfreak2k> Heh, building trees.
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00:27:58  <Nite_Owl> I will try again tomorrow when hopefully people are awake - unless they read the log and find it before hand. Later all.
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01:35:10  <VVG> yay, finished cleaning up the code. not very interesting task, had to do it in small steps
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04:56:37  <Terkhen> good morning
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05:39:32  <planetmaker> good morning
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06:48:46  <dihedral> good morning
06:49:10  * dihedral thought orudge was going to send me some templates :-P
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07:56:39  <planetmaker> hm... only two or three nightly servers and 5 testing
07:57:03  <planetmaker> :-(
07:59:18  <dihedral> what you trying to say?
07:59:23  <dihedral> you want more?
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08:05:32  <planetmaker> I advocate that the last servers newer thatn 1.0.3 close down, too
08:06:39  <Rubidium> really?
08:06:58  <Rubidium> that'll definitely not improve the (network) stability of 1.1.0
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08:09:35  <dihedral> planetmaker, close down or are not displayed on the "first page" of server listings
08:09:40  <dihedral> Rubidium, what do you need?
08:09:56  <dihedral> tests?
08:11:15  <dihedral> Rubidium, a 'wwottdgd' with a clean trunk/rc/stable release? :-P
08:13:19  <Rubidium> dihedral: as per planetmaker's wishes trunk and/or RCs shouldn't be started (or otherwise should be closed down), so that leaves the stable release... and testing 1.1.0 is too late to get fixes into 1.1.0
08:13:56  <dihedral> that for sure is true
08:15:23  <dihedral> but is there something we could do, in order to help with testing (pre) 1.1.0 <whatever>
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08:16:09  <dihedral> other than being totally nasty and making use of known issues with older version and making them shutdown :-P
08:17:51  <Rubidium> dihedral: you can't do tests if you follow planetmaker's wishes
08:18:02  <planetmaker> :-D
08:18:33  <planetmaker> dihedral, just look at the server listing
08:18:57  <planetmaker> It has zillions of 1.0.3 (fine). the two coop server, one with a hg revision. 5 RC-1 of 1.0.4 and then older stables
08:19:26  <planetmaker> that's... a huge step back wrt the exposure nightlies got a year ago or so
08:19:29  <dihedral> planetmaker, make use of known issues
08:19:33  <dihedral> i.e. make them crash
08:19:54  <planetmaker> :-P
08:19:58  * Rubidium thinks dihedral still hasn't gotten what planetmaker actually wrote
08:20:27  * dihedral thinks Rubidium only got what planetmaker wrote and not what he meant :-P
08:21:05  * planetmaker thinks you both split hairs. Just one blonde ones, the other dark ones
08:21:27  <dihedral> "ob schwarz, rot oder braun, pm liebt nur blonde fraun" :-D
08:21:38  <planetmaker> hm... definitely not true.
08:22:16  <Rubidium> dihedral: he's talking about nightlies and RCs, that there are less than a while ago and that the "last" servers newer than 1.0.3 should close down as well. It's pretty clear that he could only mean those 8 servers > 1.0.3
08:22:58  <Rubidium> otherwise he wouldn't said something like "the other servers older than 1.0.3 close down"
08:23:07  <Rubidium> s/n't/'ve/
08:24:16  <planetmaker> :-P
08:25:28  <planetmaker> but maybe one should indeed visit those old servers :-P
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08:25:54  <dihedral> "visit"?
08:26:01  <planetmaker> "visit".
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08:26:17  <planetmaker> I won't do knowingly sabotage any server ;-)
08:26:24  <planetmaker> I just want to play...
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08:26:45  <planetmaker> :-)
08:27:59  <planetmaker> <-- dihedral ;-)
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08:30:09  <planetmaker> but if we close down the newer servers, too, we can declare OpenTTD "done" and that's it. Nice, new world.
08:30:16  <planetmaker> Only it would be boring. Hm...
08:30:31  <dihedral> start a new project :-P
08:30:37  <planetmaker> OpenTTD v2?
08:30:52  <dihedral> "Wer eine Datenverarbeitung, die fÌr einen anderen von wesentlicher Bedeutung ist, dadurch erheblich stört, dass er" <- that already fails
08:31:07  <dihedral> "von wesentlicher Bedeutung" would not apply in this case :-P
08:31:09  <planetmaker> how do you knlw?
08:31:19  <planetmaker> *know
08:32:20  <Rubidium> maybe OpenTTD is used as "spy tool", in which case it could influence the security of the Bundesrepublik
08:32:20  <dihedral> because neither the service was / is used, nor updated, nor maintained
08:32:50  <dihedral> and a not used / maintained service cannot be "von wesentlicher Bedeutung"
08:32:54  <dihedral> no court would go with that
08:33:10  <dihedral> further more, i am not influencing DATA
08:33:40  <Rubidium> dihedral: what proof do you have they're not maintained/updated?
08:34:06  <dihedral> min players level + game seed :-P
08:34:16  <dihedral> + date in game
08:34:21  <dihedral> *cough*
08:34:47  <Rubidium> doesn't proof it isn't used
08:35:01  <dihedral> besides, if they were maintained, you'd see them back online very quickly, unless someone is using a monitor to do that for them, then you'd see the same result
08:35:04  <Rubidium> maybe it isn't used as actual server, but... maybe it's that "spy tool"
08:35:21  <planetmaker> dihedral, I'm quite sure you could successfully sued if one can prove that you crashed a server on purpose
08:35:47  <dihedral> which is a very small chance 'if'
08:35:56  <dihedral> for one thing
08:36:13  <planetmaker> that maybe as it is. Doesn't make it legal ;-)
08:36:28  <dihedral> never said it was legal
08:36:34  <dihedral> just said no court would go for it :-P
08:36:35  <planetmaker> be right and receive justice are two different things ;-)
08:36:41  <dihedral> yep
08:37:06  <dihedral> being in the right and receiving injustice happens too
08:37:11  <planetmaker> sure
08:37:45  <dihedral> i could use an exploit and then file charges against myself :-P
08:40:01  * SmatZ imagines someone going to police "someone with IP killed my OpenTTD game server, find him!" and the policemen actuall caring about that
08:40:26  <dihedral> :-P
08:40:55  <dihedral> for one thing they first need to prove i killed the game on purpose
08:41:20  <SmatZ> I think police wouldn't waste resources on that
08:42:02  <SmatZ> was there money loss caused by that? no? ... hahah :p
08:42:16  <planetmaker> :-)
08:42:27  <dihedral> if it was a WoW server, that might be different :-P
08:42:39  <SmatZ> true :)
08:42:46  <dihedral> but then the "person" filing charges would have cash too
08:42:50  <planetmaker> specially crafted clients ...
08:43:16  <SmatZ> :)
08:43:22  <dihedral> who's talking of specially crafted clients? :-P
08:55:55  <dihedral> planetmaker, write a forums thread :-P
08:56:08  <dihedral> asking server admins of old versions to update / stop their server :-P
08:59:22  <planetmaker> pfft
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09:30:02  <TomyLobo> autorenew should be done before the train is started, not after it's stopped
09:30:14  <TomyLobo> it keeps replacing trains i'm about to sell
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09:35:35  <SmatZ> TomyLobo: you sell them for the full price anyway
09:38:01  <Nite_Owl> The planting of trees is broken in r20757 but does work in r20750.
09:38:01  <Terkhen> how is it broken?
09:38:01  <Nite_Owl> You cannot plant them at all.
09:38:36  <planetmaker> Nite_Owl, works for me?
09:38:57  <planetmaker> r20758
09:39:18  <SmatZ> Nite_Owl: maybe you have invisible trees? ctrl+shift+2?
09:39:52  <Nite_Owl> nope - not invisible - let me double check
09:39:53  <Terkhen> works for me too
09:40:44  <Terkhen> does it give some kind of error when you try?
09:40:52  <SmatZ> for me too, however it seems there is one change - when you overbuild tile with 4 trees, you get 1 trees again
09:41:08  <SmatZ> -s
09:41:24  <Nite_Owl> no error message - give me a moment
09:42:52  <SmatZ> Nite_Owl: can be caused by r20753
09:43:17  <Nite_Owl> Very odd - it is not letting me plant trees at all
09:43:40  <SmatZ> Nite_Owl: what compiler do you use?
09:44:05  <Nite_Owl> download the nightly
09:44:24  <SmatZ> win32?
09:44:35  <Nite_Owl> 64
09:46:24  * Terkhen tests it
09:46:27  <Nite_Owl> previous day's nightly - r20750 - works perfectly
09:48:51  <SmatZ> [11:40:52] <SmatZ> for me too, however it seems there is one change - when you overbuild tile with 4 trees, you get 1 trees again <== and I can't reproduce taht anymore
09:49:04  <Terkhen> Nite_Owl: I can plant trees with openttd-trunk-r20757-windows-win64
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09:49:31  <Nite_Owl> Just had a thought - give me another moment
09:49:38  <Terkhen> SmatZ: I can't either, maybe it does not happen with all kinds of tiles
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09:50:30  <Rubidium> so ask for his savegame
09:50:41  <SmatZ> Nite_Owl: can you build stations? convert rail? terraform large areas? demolish area? anything, where you need to select some tile area?
09:50:54  <Rubidium> won't work when he thinks you just want to steal his savegame instead of actually helping him
09:51:00  <SmatZ> hehe
09:51:04  <Nite_Owl> I will check
09:51:24  <Rubidium> after all, he might not see why the savegame might be important for figuring out which setting(s) cause the problem
09:51:43  <SmatZ> :)
09:52:34  <Nite_Owl> Found it
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09:53:13  <Terkhen> found what?
09:53:23  <Nite_Owl> if you have the "left click scrolling" enabled in the advanced settings then you cannot build anything
09:53:45  * SmatZ is going to fix it
09:53:46  <Nite_Owl> it was not that way in the past
09:53:55  <SmatZ> it shouldn't work that way
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09:56:39  <Nite_Owl> I knew there had to be a reason and/or something had changed
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09:58:09  <Nite_Owl> Rational thought works every time
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10:01:57  <TomyLobo> does openttd run on s60?
10:03:13  <Nite_Owl> I tried to tell someone about this last night but forgot about the time difference
10:05:47  <Nite_Owl> being that the sun will soon be up here I have to get to bed eventually
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10:16:25  <Nite_Owl> As the sun slowly rises and light begins to filter through my window I will leave it in the more than capable hands of you developer type gentlemen - Good day and good luck - Read You Soon
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10:22:29  <dihedral> who wants a laugh?
10:26:16  <TomyLobo> that totally reminded me of transarctica
10:27:05  <Eddi|zuHause> that was a weird game...
10:27:16  <TomyLobo> (aka. arctic baron)
10:27:32  <Eddi|zuHause> it came with no manual, but it had copy protection asking for words from the manual
10:27:35  <Eddi|zuHause> ... in french
10:27:53  <TomyLobo> yeah, mine came without a manual too *whistle*
10:28:15  <Eddi|zuHause> well, it was actually a _legal_ version...
10:28:52  <SmatZ> :))
10:30:23  <TomyLobo> i never had legal problems with mine either
10:30:25  <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: i hope they mean "zimbabwe dollars" there...
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10:34:10  <TomyLobo> you should ask to borrow their time machine
10:34:28  <TomyLobo> or their dope
10:47:34  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe they're mike meyers and ask for "one trillion dollars", or they invoke their "death star" :p
10:47:41  <Eddi|zuHause> [austin powers]
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11:01:08  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r20759 /trunk/src/ (viewport.cpp window.cpp): -Fix (r20753): it wasn't possible to build anything when left button scrolling was active
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11:03:59  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r20760 /trunk/src/ (viewport.cpp viewport_func.h): -Cleanup (r20753): remove unused CheckMouseOverVehicle()
11:05:34  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r20761 /trunk/src/ (viewport.cpp viewport_func.h): -Codechange: make PlaceObject() static
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11:18:54  <TomyLobo> SmatZ class-static or namespace-static? :)
11:22:22  <SmatZ> TomyLobo: compilation-unit-static :p
11:25:07  <TomyLobo> that is namespace-static :)
11:27:02  <TomyLobo> i'd love trains that work like boats
11:27:25  <TomyLobo> i.e. you can cram as many as you want down a single line
11:28:08  <Eddi|zuHause> it's a trivial code change ;)
11:28:21  <TomyLobo> and it's not just going to make them crash? :)
11:29:21  <Eddi|zuHause> that's exactly the place to change... the crash handler
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11:29:49  <TomyLobo> and the signalling too eh?
11:31:09  <Eddi|zuHause> you can live without that, if you force proceed the trains out of the depot
11:31:24  <TomyLobo> and remove all signals ^^
11:32:03  <TomyLobo> atm i'd be happy if i could make my trains share a platform
11:35:23  <planetmaker> build a normal track tile between
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11:39:52  <Terkhen> use ships for everything instead :P
11:39:55  <TomyLobo> i mean full length trains
11:40:40  * avdg hates fake mail on mailinglists -_-
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11:40:53  <avdg> do you have a virus, download this -right-
11:41:23  * TomyLobo hates mailinglists
11:41:26  <TomyLobo> for that exact reason
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11:48:57  <__ln__> bonjour
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11:55:20  <TomyLobo> au revoir
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12:06:00  <Wolf01> hello
12:09:38  <avdg> hi
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12:12:39  <__ln__> ped xing
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13:09:45  <Belugas> hello
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13:10:19  <fjb> Moin Belugas
13:10:40  <Belugas> hi fjb :)
13:11:12  * fjb has a job interview this evening.
13:11:35  <Belugas> hooo...
13:11:46  * Belugas wishes fjb a successfull evening!
13:12:09  <fjb> Thank you very much. I need more luck than anything else.
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13:14:46  <Terkhen> good luck fjb :)
13:15:00  <fjb> Thank you. I need it.
13:15:35  <planetmaker> oh... hello :-)
13:15:43  <planetmaker> and I keep my thumbs crossed, fjb :-)
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14:33:33  <Eddi|zuHause> a "wink" in english is something slightly different than "winken" in german ;)
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15:28:42  <Eddi|zuHause> ok... which idiot makes a multi-line editbox, and then limits the content to 100 characters?
15:28:42  <Eddi|zuHause> what the hell can you do with that kind of limited space?
15:28:42  <avdg> uuhh...
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15:29:46  <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: 100 empty lines?
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15:31:30  <avdg> whats usefull about 100 empty lines :p
15:31:37  <__ln__> tweet
15:31:45  <Terkhen> they are easy to understand and learn
15:31:48  <avdg> thats spam :p
15:31:49  <planetmaker> you get a seemingly clean backlog
15:32:13  <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: newline could be 2 characters ;)
15:32:57  <avdg> unicode bom and newline?
15:33:48  <Eddi|zuHause> avdg: unicode bom is only used by wordpad and utf16-texts.
15:34:10  <Eddi|zuHause> or notepad
15:34:18  <Eddi|zuHause> not sure which one
15:34:21  <avdg> or any bad code editor :p
15:34:26  <Eddi|zuHause> it's a stupid thing to do anyway
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15:34:55  <Eddi|zuHause> other question, what's the quickest way to turn an image into a pdf?
15:35:14  <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: get a CGA display, then they are sufficient for 2.5 lines
15:35:31  <frosch123> ghostscript
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15:36:12  <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: the pdf should only include that one image (or three images on three pages)
15:36:33  <frosch123> ghostscript
15:37:05  <frosch123> ghostscript can encode multiple files into one
15:37:20  <frosch123> it has input and output for several formats, including pdf and various image formats
15:37:44  <frosch123> you just have to understand its commandline syntax :p
15:39:09  <frosch123> otoh, google suggests to use imagemagick
15:39:23  <frosch123> convert *.png outputfile.pdf
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16:11:18  <VVG> hello
16:12:22  <avdg> hi
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16:34:03  <avdg> Hmm
 I am thinking about categorising the wiki
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16:37:19  <Rubidium> I'd categorise it as a mess :)
16:37:45  <avdg> for example the files
16:38:01  <avdg> its hard to tell if we have duplicates
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17:25:28  <avdg> hmm.. trunk == buggy?
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17:27:51  <avdg> I am just wondering if there are still commits left for improving the water code
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17:32:07  <SmatZ> avdg: water code?
17:32:16  <avdg> yeah
17:32:40  <avdg> there is a bug if you build a hanger on a bouy
17:33:28  <avdg> want the report?
17:34:36  <VVG> I downloaded the cd.diff of cargodist for 20756, installed tortoisegit to apply it. It patches the files already present but doesn't seem to create new ones. I'm lost here, any advice?
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17:39:19  <fonsinchen> VVG: Maybe that's probably because /dev/null doesn't exist on Windows. I guess TortoiseGit is just as stupid as TortoiseSvn ...
17:40:29  <Eddi|zuHause> avdg: reports always go to, and you never need to ask if you should report something, only search the previously mentioned site for similar reports...
17:40:47  <avdg> hm yeah
17:40:53  <avdg> I'm holding them too long
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17:41:12  <Eddi|zuHause> VVG: don't use tortoise for patching, use command line patch
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17:44:33  <VVG> isn't tortoise is just a frontend for command line versions?
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17:45:35  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20762 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
17:45:35  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:35  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: catalan - 2 changes by arnau
17:45:35  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: chuvash - 16 changes by mefisteron
17:45:35  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: ido - 8 changes by Edwardo
17:45:35  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: romanian - 2 changes by kkmic
17:45:54  <Eddi|zuHause> VVG: no, that's the problem...
17:45:57  <Terkhen> yeah, but usually it does not work very well
17:46:21  <avdg> k
17:46:24  <avdg> bug 4113
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17:54:14  <VVG> what command line patch tools are there avaible for windows?
17:57:41  <Eddi|zuHause> mingw/msys contains patch.exe
18:01:03  <VVG> what about standalone versions? i don't think i need mingw
18:01:57  <glx> gnuwin32 has one
18:02:34  <glx> mingw/msys one is \n only, gnuwin32 one understands \r\n
18:06:23  <VVG> hm, while tortoise failed, the msysgit toirtoise required, if used directly, did creat needed files
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18:18:58  <TomyLobo> VVG you need a compiler too
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18:19:56  <VVG> i know
18:22:35  <TomyLobo> VVG and no, tortoise is an end-to-end solution
18:22:45  <TomyLobo> tortoisesvn that is
18:23:08  <TomyLobo> tortoiseshit i mean git is different
18:29:42  <VVG> i don't quite follow you here
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18:33:35  <CitroN> Hello. Im a member of ClanMega and im playing OpenTTD over 2 year. I tried SimuTrans and i seen, OpenTTD could be a way funnyer with custom airports and underground rails-depots-stations. So if possible, can you add them? Seems like OpenTTD doesnt need anything more. Just needs that so rails should go underground too. and (not as needed as underground rails)
18:34:14  <dihedral> sure
18:34:18  <dihedral> i guess it will not take long
18:34:28  <dihedral> might be in trunk the day after tomorrow
18:34:38  <dihedral> might be the evening though
18:34:46  <dihedral> so not in the next nightly for about 3 days
18:34:47  <CitroN> i thought it would get over 2 months
18:34:53  <dihedral> nah!
18:34:58  <dihedral> where'd you get that from?
18:35:26  <dihedral> just needs some adding a few little tidd bits here and there
18:35:31  <CitroN> i seen that on simutrans
18:35:34  <dihedral> missuse the wormholes from the tunnels for underground
18:36:18  <CitroN> openttd needs that, electric rails will go in wormholes to underground rail system
18:36:49  <dihedral> why nobody else ever game up with that genious idea :-)
18:37:21  <CitroN> i hope you not kidding and you someone will add that
18:38:00  <dihedral> Rubidium, may i add that ^ to qdb?
18:38:47  <VVG> so evil
18:38:53  <CitroN> check simutrans with add-ons if you like, its fantastic! rails go underground, they take turns they stop at underground stations
18:39:19  <CitroN> and goes surface back
18:40:45  <dihedral> VVG - it is way nicer than flaming someone for not searching the forums
18:40:45  <CitroN> so its alrdy on forums? search engine sux :S
18:40:45  <dihedral> :-P
18:41:00  <dihedral> ho man - i so enjoyed that :-P
18:42:05  <CitroN> its what will make openttd best strategy transport game
18:42:20  <VVG> it already is :p
18:42:25  <CitroN> not so :S
18:42:55  <CitroN> theres alot of another games like that with good new ideas
18:43:16  <CitroN> best, but will be a way better with tis
18:46:17  * dihedral simply enjoys
18:46:25  <VVG> iirc, when i tried cargodist some loong time ago, it didn't maintained savemgame compatibily between versions very well. Is it safe in this respect now?
18:48:02  <CitroN> cargodist is fantastic! we using g7af9cfd7 version as clan
18:48:14  <dihedral> just lacks underground and such
18:48:15  <dihedral> :-D
18:48:20  <CitroN> it have cargodist infrashare
18:48:26  <CitroN> :D
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18:51:01  <Ammler> CitroN: new is patch or is2?
18:51:32  <CitroN> ask yorick :P
18:51:35  <CitroN> im just playinf
18:52:13  <CitroN> its infrashare+cargodist (maybe cargodest) merged trunk
18:52:47  <CitroN> YORICK !?! U HERE?
18:53:04  <yorick> YES
18:53:24  * dihedral waves hi to yorick
18:53:42  <CitroN> you reading them?
18:53:49  * yorick waves dihedral to hi
18:54:13  <CitroN> how do i wave to hi someone xp ?
18:54:13  * yorick reads
18:54:55  <__ln__> CitroN: raise your hand and move it left and right
18:55:10  <yorick> dihedral: stop making fun of the noobs :P
18:55:59  <yorick> argh...stop using the g7af9cfd7 version please
18:56:08  <yorick> that's like 10 months old
18:57:23  <__ln__> yorick: was it you who was going go rewrite ottd in C#?
18:57:40  <CitroN> server usez g7af9cfd xp how to dont use it
18:57:40  <dihedral> no - i do not think it was yorick :-P
18:57:44  <yorick> __ln__: no, I was the who was going to go rewrite ottd in python
18:57:50  <dihedral> <yorick> dihedral: stop making fun of the noobs :P <- meee? what?
18:57:59  <__ln__> oh
18:58:09  <dihedral> :-P
18:58:13  <CitroN> who noob who makes fun whats fun !
18:58:22  <yorick> dihedral: oh...sorry...I ment the other dihedral :-)
18:58:45  <Rubidium> dihedral: what makes you think I have something to say about that?
18:59:03  <CitroN> so underground rails possible? :D
18:59:40  <VVG> sure
19:00:45  <Rubidium> CitroN: possible: yes, going to happen any time soon: unlikely, unless *you* code it
19:00:47  <yorick> keyboard stopped working
19:01:31  <dihedral> Rubidium, because it was kinda amusing - at least to me :-P
19:02:27  <Rubidium> so if something is amusing I have to say whether it's okay to do something with it?
19:02:32  <CitroN> so everyone suckin n sleeping in front of computer there? i can code that well
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19:04:33  <planetmaker> <CitroN> so everyone suckin n sleeping in front of computer there? i can code that well <-- well... like two months and the patch is trunk-ready? ;-)
19:04:58  <yorick> CitroN: come can code it
19:05:39  <CitroN> just dont know dat openttd 's codings :)
19:05:56  <CitroN> and i can do that in a year
19:06:29  <Terkhen> we'll be waiting for it :)
19:06:52  <CitroN> cmon guys someone can do that faster
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19:08:36  <CitroN> not in openttd 1.0.5 or somthn. jst make trunk we can use in new clanmega version maybe,  <yorick> we can?
19:09:02  <yorick> CitroN: stop using the clanmega version
19:09:39  <dihedral> this is totally ammusing
19:10:00  <Rubidium> CitroN: just use simutrans, after all it's much better
19:10:01  <yorick> agreed
19:10:19  <dihedral> ^^
19:10:19  <yorick> CitroN is being CitroN
19:10:35  <Rubidium> and yes, I could probably implement the issue faster... but I'm not going to do it as I can't be bothered
19:10:54  <CitroN> <Yorick> im playing in madness server. server usez g7af9cfd7
19:11:06  <planetmaker> <CitroN> cmon guys someone can do that faster <-- probably. But there's obviously not someone who can do it faster who is as much interested in it as you
19:11:11  <yorick> CitroN: then complain to the server
19:11:31  <Rubidium> and yes... I was sucking my thumb and sleeping in front of my computer a while ago. It was very pleasant
19:11:36  <planetmaker> Things are developed because a person puts own time into something this person considers worthwhile
19:12:28  <CitroN> simutrans no more works on my machine *.*
19:13:00  <CitroN> i can put my months
19:13:25  <CitroN> but i newer coded openttd and dunno what it usez
19:13:56  <__ln__> newer ewer
19:15:19  <yorick> CitroN: how are these arguments for us to do it for you
19:15:36  <Rubidium> then file a bug report at simutrans' developers about that regression
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19:16:17  <Rubidium> talking about how great, but not working, simutrans is in here doesn't magically fix something in simutrans
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19:16:23  <dihedral> perhaps simutrans devs can code it into openttd? :-D
19:16:37  <Rubidium> and neither does talking in here magically make features magically appear in trunk
19:16:37  <CitroN> not just me and its my normal talk. i didnt want argue n make you do that like this
19:18:13  <CitroN> magicaly trunk ready; link
19:18:29  <CitroN> :D
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19:19:34  <yorick> I bet it's a trojan
19:19:41  <CitroN> its not a link
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19:19:53  <yorick> I still bet it's a trojan
19:19:53  <dihedral> CitroN, if you are the one wanting something from the devs, i'd suggest not using nasty language
19:20:24  <CitroN> its not nasty for meh, and then ill try not to be
19:20:28  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20763 /trunk/src/water_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#4113](r20749): The bridgetest on building shipdepots can no longer rely on being only called for clear water tiles.
19:22:39  <CitroN> any Dev s here? i have a idea! rails goin underground from wormholes and take turns and stops at staions like how is it on surface!
19:22:49  <CitroN> ok now i think
19:23:17  <dihedral> go back to clanmega, play simutrans and other games you like
19:23:42  <yorick> dihedral: don't send him to us, we don't want him :P
19:24:12  <dihedral> what did you do? send him here?
19:24:15  <dihedral> what a poor soul
19:24:15  <planetmaker> you both are quite nasty ;-)
19:24:22  <dihedral> well - then there's still Luukland :-D
19:24:33  <yorick> dihedral: well I sent PeterT here and now he's just fine :P
19:24:34  <CitroN> na he s.. :D
19:24:35  <planetmaker> CitroN, You sure had devs read that
19:24:48  <dihedral> and reply :-P
19:24:55  <dihedral> planetmaker, you volunteering? :-D
19:25:15  <planetmaker> But that doesn't change the fact that only people who are interested in a feature will work on it
19:25:25  <planetmaker> I'm definitely not volunteering
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19:25:44  <planetmaker> There are many more places which I'd rather attack, if I had MUCH more time
19:25:47  <yorick> I know someone who could do it! CitroN!
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19:26:12  <dihedral> planetmaker, i meant volunteering to 'accomodate' mr brains here
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19:27:15  <planetmaker> nope :-P
19:27:27  <planetmaker> but there's like 'don't feed...' ;-)
19:27:48  <planetmaker> but he's no troll. He just doesn't know what he's asking for
19:28:09  * yorick was typing "he's just stupid"
19:28:46  <planetmaker> ignorant maybe. Stupid I don't know nor care to claim
19:29:38  <CitroN> not good idea? who like that?
19:30:08  <planetmaker> CitroN, it's not about 'good idea' or 'bad idea'
19:30:09  <frosch123> CitroN: devs are ignorant fools, who never do what other suggest
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19:30:26  <planetmaker> It's that you ask people to invest months of their time into YOUR fancy
19:31:01  <CitroN> what devs do?
19:31:07  <CitroN> i need learn that !!!
19:31:08  <CitroN> :D
19:31:18  <CitroN> why they are there!
19:31:20  <yorick> CitroN: you need learn a bit more english, too :)
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19:31:27  <VVG> fooling around, ignoring suggestions i think
19:31:33  <CitroN> sure!
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19:32:03  <VVG> anyone playing recent cargodist here?
19:32:07  <yorick> fixing bugs, doing stuff not-openttd-related, implementing somebody elses ideas
19:32:10  <planetmaker> devs are those guys and gals who always change that piece of code which will break your favourite patch in the most unfortunate way
19:32:11  <frosch123> VVG: don't forget "turning down patches"
19:32:34  <CitroN> :( ya
19:32:38  <planetmaker> and they do all that for no obvious reason
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19:32:38  <frosch123> and "defend from forks" :p
19:32:40  <VVG> frosch123: didn't know about it, you didn't mention it in a previous comment :)
19:32:52  <CitroN> whos dev there
19:32:56  * planetmaker offers frosch123 a fork with a fly :-P
19:33:12  <VVG> denfe from fokrs doesn't count, anyone sane will defend against them when attacked :p
19:33:13  * frosch123 already has a spoon with coffee
19:33:17  <andythenorth> frosch123: devs are those people who politely ignore my suggestions :)
19:33:20  <VVG> s/denfe/defend/
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19:34:10  <CitroN> can underground idea come true?
19:34:15  <CitroN> yes
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19:34:17  <CitroN> but
19:34:22  <planetmaker> yes. But *someone* has to code it
19:34:28  <CitroN> yea meant that
19:34:33  <CitroN> can someone do it
19:34:35  <planetmaker> And that *someone* is either you - or not likely
19:34:45  <planetmaker> yes *someone* can also do it.
19:34:55  <planetmaker> But *someone* is not as interested in it as you
19:35:14  <VVG> a bettet question will be "will someone do it"
19:35:17  <planetmaker> even if it is a reasonable suggestion for enhancement
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19:35:29  <Wolf01> 'night
19:35:35  <CitroN> need find a dev thats interested and will do that. who can do that?  (can=can and will)
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19:36:02  <VVG> good luck with that definition of can
19:36:34  <planetmaker> CitroN, development mostly is about "I do" and not "I find someone who fulfills my wish"
19:37:40  <CitroN> if i do ll someone help?
19:38:12  <CitroN> -.-
19:38:26  <CitroN> all devs here and readed that i think
19:38:35  <DorpsGek> i can tell you the ports openttd uses, if that helps?
19:38:49  <CitroN> ...
19:38:51  <dihedral> :-D
19:38:59  <VVG> that certanly confusing
19:39:06  <CitroN> 3979 3979 3979 3979 ...
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19:39:45  <CitroN> alrdy forwarded them
19:40:10  <planetmaker> you forgot one...
19:41:25  <CitroN> 3979
19:41:26  <CitroN> 3979
19:41:36  <planetmaker> you forgot one...
19:41:45  <CitroN> and some ol versions 3978
19:41:57  <CitroN> "
19:42:58  <dihedral> lol?
19:43:12  <dihedral> CitroN, go read, perhaps that'll help you ^^
19:43:25  <CitroN> i know there
19:43:28  <CitroN> ...
19:44:34  * planetmaker pets DorpsGek and calls
19:44:36  <planetmaker> @ports
19:44:36  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound)
19:44:49  <planetmaker> looks quite recent to me
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19:45:30  <CitroN> i hosted server from both 3979 with udp + tcp
19:45:37  <CitroN> works
19:45:53  <planetmaker> did you read Dorpsgek's reply?
19:46:54  <CitroN> ya
19:47:23  <CitroN> and i said i hosted server from both 3979 with udp + tcp works like that too
19:48:08  * fjb is back and still alive.
19:48:17  <CitroN> lol, devs dont know what to do. roadmap says no idea
19:48:18  <planetmaker> yes. If you accept that you are not listed in the server list
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19:48:22  <planetmaker> Hey, fjb
19:48:29  <planetmaker> how's going?
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19:48:45  <CitroN> i was in server list and played with my friends (not in same lan )
19:49:10  <yorick> you best bet is SmatZ
19:49:12  <fjb> Don't know. The interview was ok.
19:49:28  <frosch123> who interviewed you?
19:49:33  <CitroN> and command screened openttd says if your hosting work
19:49:50  <fjb> My may be next boss interviewt me.
19:49:55  <planetmaker> :-)
19:49:58  <frosch123> ah, a job interview
19:50:04  <fjb> Yes.
19:50:05  <SmatZ> :)
19:50:06  <frosch123> i thought you gave a big show in tv or so :p
19:50:09  <yorick> CitroN:
19:50:17  <fjb> No. :)
19:52:43  <CitroN> yorick thats yould be good with graphics
19:52:56  <yorick> CitroN: then go bother SmatZ
19:53:06  <Eddi|zuHause> was that ever in a usable state?
19:53:16  <yorick> probably not
19:53:26  <planetmaker> please, he's such a nice guy. Don't wake up dead sheep
19:53:29  <dihedral> yorick, that's so mean, what has SmatZ done to you??
19:53:35  <planetmaker> and let him spend his time worthwhile
19:53:43  <CitroN> wheres smatz
19:53:50  <yorick> CitroN: hmm...never mind
19:53:58  <yorick> CitroN: you should do it yourself if you ever want this done
19:54:01  <Eddi|zuHause> about ten lines above yours...
19:54:15  <yorick> shh
19:54:18  <CitroN> maybe i can help him to complete
19:54:32  <yorick> you mean 'redo'
19:54:57  <dihedral> <Eddi|zuHause> about ten lines above yours... <- LOL
19:54:58  <frosch123> CitroN: just take a guess how old that thing is :)
19:55:33  * planetmaker feels a youngling wrt OpenTTD
19:55:37  <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: well, it was 11...
19:56:06  <dihedral> it was still quite funny :-)
19:56:17  <CitroN> smatz 11 yrs old?
19:56:45  <Rubidium> yes, SmatZ has been 11 years old for quite a while
19:56:45  <Eddi|zuHause> seriously, how badly can you fail in reading comprehension?
19:57:50  <frosch123> oh, i need to give CitroN a hint. the dates on the webpage are the dates when the files were copied to the new server, not when they were created :p
19:59:03  <yorick> it's based on a revision from 2007-09
19:59:42  <frosch123> i would have guessed february/march 2008
19:59:42  <SmatZ> :)
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19:59:53  <CitroN> what hapenned to SmatZ
20:00:00  <Eddi|zuHause> man... i've been here way too long...
20:00:05  <SmatZ> such a sad story...
20:00:15  <SmatZ> nah, alive and kicking :)
20:00:27  <CitroN> heeey
20:00:43  * planetmaker hugs smatzy-patchy
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20:00:51  <CitroN> you guy made that underground- rails idea
20:00:51  <SmatZ> :^)
20:00:53  <frosch123> hmm, though as it was started at r11060, it was likely not started by a dev :p
20:01:00  <SmatZ> :)
20:01:14  <CitroN> i come there with same idea
20:01:18  <SmatZ> CitroN: certainly I wasn't the first :p I tried to code something, but left that soon
20:01:34  <CitroN> dun left! i want code it again
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20:02:05  <SmatZ> feel free :D
20:02:31  <CitroN> not viaducts. i just want that underground rails
20:03:04  <Eddi|zuHause> they are the same things
20:03:06  <planetmaker> CitroN, may I emphasize the important part?
20:03:15  <SmatZ> "3D" underground rail is a big change to game design
20:03:19  <planetmaker> "i want code it again"
20:03:25  <SmatZ> :)
20:03:26  <planetmaker> let that be followed by tasks ;-)
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20:04:59  <CitroN> ops
20:05:02  <CitroN> wil come back
20:05:05  <CitroN> in ah hour
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20:05:34  <Rubidium> so... what about going back to freenode?
20:05:36  <Eddi|zuHause> that certainly was a threat!
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20:40:46  <Belugas> nighht all
20:45:07  <Terkhen> good night Belugas
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21:09:22  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r20764 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: minor coding style fix
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21:39:37  <VVG> How do you change drives in windows command promt?
21:40:02  <avdg> by typing the name
21:40:05  <avdg> C:
21:40:10  <avdg> D:
21:40:11  <avdg> etc
21:40:18  <VVG> whoa, so simple
21:40:40  <VVG> too simple to even guess :(
21:40:44  <VVG> thanks
21:40:47  <avdg> yeah, but its confusing
21:40:53  <avdg> for me at least :p
21:41:15  <VVG> it is. it drove me crazy a few times when cd x: did nothing :(
21:41:33  <SmatZ> :)
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21:42:09  <avdg> I prefer unix, through the filestructure is more complex
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21:42:46  * avdg hopes that microsoft will work on it :p
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21:43:10  * Rubidium thinks it's stupid that DOS and Windows use \ for path seperators
21:43:23  <Rubidium> "yay" for backwards compatability...
21:43:33  <avdg> lol
21:43:46  <VVG> windows versions of make doesn't like makefile.msvc :(
21:44:10  <Rubidium> you need gnu make
21:44:21  <Rubidium> and then it works just fine
21:44:44  <VVG> i got this one, 1st hit in google search:
21:44:55  <Rubidium> (or nobody has told me yet that the compile farm fails to make actual binaries)
21:45:45  <planetmaker> :-O Like in no windows binaries the last days?
21:45:46  <Rubidium> then in what way doesn't make like it?
21:45:58  <Rubidium> planetmaker: more like the last... say 2 years?
21:46:20  <planetmaker> he... seems they must have worked then.
21:46:45  <planetmaker> and a small unimportant part was broken... or what is it?
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21:48:22  <VVG> here is what doesn't like
21:48:32  * Rubidium can't quite follow planetmaker's thoughts
21:48:50  <avdg> vvg: do you have these tools?
21:48:58  <VVG> obviously, not
21:49:01  <Rubidium> doesn't look like it :)
21:49:09  <avdg> so yes, is the location of the tools added in you PATH :p
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21:49:36  * avdg was just to late
21:49:41  <VVG> the download page for make says all dependancies are included :(
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21:50:31  <Rubidium> VVG: that's like saying MS Office installs all its dependencies, until you find out a font is missing. Is that the fault of MS Office?
21:50:37  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
21:51:17  * avdg loves that example
21:51:38  <avdg> too typical
21:52:24  <SmatZ> welcome back, Nite_Owl
21:52:32  <SmatZ> the bug you pointed out is fixed
21:52:34  <SmatZ> I hope
21:52:56  <Nite_Owl> Yes it is - thank you
21:53:11  <SmatZ> :)
21:54:07  <VVG> Rubidium: unfortunatly, no. But you still can blame it, right?
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21:54:22  <Nite_Owl> The left click scrolling and the right click scrolling do not work the same though. I cannot remember if they did in the past or not.
21:54:45  <SmatZ> right click scrolling works every time
21:54:58  <VVG>
21:55:03  <VVG> is this an eqivalent of AWK?
21:55:10  <SmatZ> left click works only when you don't click a station/depot/town, when you don't have any build tool active...
21:55:36  <Rubidium> VVG: no, you need mawk or gawk
21:55:40  <SmatZ> when nothing else can be done when left-clicking, viewport is scrolled
21:56:40  <Nite_Owl> right click - cursor stays in the middle of the screen and scrolling is unlimited. left click - cursor moves as you scroll and you can only scroll as far as the edge of the screen. scrolling stops when the cursor reaches the edge of the screen
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21:57:19  <Rubidium> that has always been the case
21:57:19  <SmatZ> interesting
21:57:37  <Rubidium> the let click scrolling is meant for stuff like touchpads
21:57:42  <SmatZ> one could say it is a bug
21:57:45  <glx> VVG: it's in textutils IIRC
21:58:04  <SmatZ> also the fact the mouse cursor is moving a little when doing lmb scrolling
21:58:08  <SmatZ> "shaking"
21:58:32  <Rubidium> SmatZ: if you care enough to break touchpads and the like (and explain why you've broken it), go ahead :)
21:58:37  <VVG> glx: what?, for gawk there is a separate download, which i found. i now lack cp and cut
21:58:42  <glx> cut and cp
21:59:16  <glx> gawk is in gawk :)
21:59:18  <Nite_Owl> I had enabled left click scrolling for some reason or another which is what lead to this. I have it disabled again now.
21:59:23  <VVG> yep, just looked through it contents, thanks
21:59:34  <SmatZ> Rubidium: I'm not touching anything :)
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22:01:59  <VVG> more errors :(
22:03:03  <VVG> that's with gawk, mb is should try nawk?
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22:11:03  <VVG> doesn't help, mawk or nawk. i'm stuck :(
22:11:03  <glx> VVG: just use gawk :)
22:11:20  <VVG> doesn't work T_T
22:11:43  <glx> but you may need a wrapper named awk
22:11:54  <VVG> gawk installs it
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22:12:07  <VVG> a few lines up the log with error i get now
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22:12:59  <VVG> it's gawk that installs awk and a bunch of other utils, bot mawk and nawk from gnuwin page only install nawk.exe and mawk.exe
22:13:27  <VVG> i went with gawk first, fail, tried them later, even more of a fail
22:14:00  <glx> hmm cp error is weird
22:14:08  <Nite_Owl> Food stuff has arrived and I need to unload the car - later all
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22:15:56  <VVG> in nix "make -f Makefile.msvc bundle PLATFORM=WIN32" works flawlessly, right?
22:16:08  <glx> with msys too
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22:19:22  <VVG> can it be that i lack some more tools just don't get any notice of that?
22:19:51  <glx> it may be bad ports too
22:23:11  <glx> hmm the awk error looks like 'VERSIONS := $(shell AWK="$(AWK)" "$(ROOT_DIR)/")' did something weird
22:23:31  <Rubidium> no bash?
22:23:43  <Rubidium> or rather, no shell whatsoever
22:24:01  <glx> I don't know gnuwin make
22:25:46  <glx> seems it has only cmd.exe as shell
22:27:44  <VVG> i run it from cmd.exe, that's for sure
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22:35:34  <VVG> removed all the gnuwina and installed msys, it worked
22:36:29  <VVG> however, it also gave me line 75 svnversion: not found, and the same for svn. What do these 2 do?
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22:36:46  <ABCRic> Meh, just made a NewGRF with an industry that produces passengers and mail, a bit buggy though. GRFMaker sure is useful.
22:36:48  <ABCRic> OpenTTD could use an "official" NewGRF-making tool, but I guess it's more fun if the community tries to do it :D Besides, don't want the devs to have that extra work :)
22:37:35  <CitroN> then really everyone would see devs useless
22:37:51  <glx> VVG: part of svn command line version
22:39:11  <glx> VVG: just install
22:39:40  <glx> will give you a standard svn
22:39:47  <VVG> will it interfere with tortoisesvn?
22:39:51  <glx> no
22:39:58  <VVG> thaanks
22:40:09  <glx> unless tortoise is stupid :)
22:40:16  <ABCRic> I got both installed and everything is fine :)
22:40:31  <Eddi|zuHause> version mismatches may be evil
22:40:41  <Eddi|zuHause> but otherwise they shouldn't get in each others way
22:40:58  <VVG> also, how can i make an archived bundle, for example and have it nicely named along the lines of
22:41:06  <ABCRic> I installed tortoise because of the interface, but I needed the command line version to make my OpenTTD-updating script
22:41:22  <glx> TortoiseSVN 1.6.10, built against Subversion 1.6.12. Released 16. July 2010.  <-- should be ok on that point
22:41:23  <Eddi|zuHause> VVG: "make bundle_zip" or similar
22:41:35  <ABCRic> 'make bundle'?
22:43:16  <glx> make bundle just prepare the bundle
22:43:41  <glx> ie put everything in bundle dir
22:43:45  <VVG> make -f Makefile.msvc bundle PLATFORM=WIN32 is the command i used and it gave a bindle dir
22:44:03  <VVG> glx: err, is at a cmd i need to run?
22:44:03  <glx> that's what it does yes
22:44:37  <glx> what?
22:44:49  <VVG> oh
22:45:02  <VVG> after make -f just rund make bundle?
22:45:34  <glx> make -f Makefile.msvc bundle PLATFORM=WIN32 <-- it's already done ;)
22:45:38  <Eddi|zuHause> VVG: in whatever command you use, just replace "bundle" by "bundle_zip"
22:45:54  <glx> you'll need zip.exe of course
22:46:19  <Eddi|zuHause> or "bundle_rar", ...
22:46:25  <VVG> ahha, thanks
22:46:33  <VVG> time to go looking for zip
22:47:23  <ABCRic> maybe bundle_7z :P
22:48:07  <Eddi|zuHause> bundle_lmaa :p
22:48:25  <Eddi|zuHause> (yes, i know, it's a bad joke)
22:48:44  <VVG> will a native zip or rar suffice?
22:48:52  <glx> zip, 7z, gzip, bzip2, lzma, lha, dmg, exe
22:49:02  <glx> no rar
22:49:03  <CitroN> SmatZ not online?
22:49:48  <VVG> i need to have any of these in path, right?
22:50:08  <glx> just the one you want to use
22:50:53  <Eddi|zuHause> why no rar?
22:51:03  <Rubidium> it's not free :)
22:51:05  <glx> I use gnuwin32 zip
22:51:13  <Rubidium> and it's inferior to 7z
22:51:36  <glx> Rubidium: still many people think rar is better ;)
22:51:39  <VVG> accidentaly, i have 7z already, though i don't now recall how it got here, since i use winrar exclusivaly
22:51:44  <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: afair it's "free as in beer", just not "free as in speech"
22:52:37  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: exactly, so I need to go through extra hoops to install it
22:52:47  <Rubidium> i.e. I won't install it
22:52:53  <VVG> every time i press tab to fill a path in msys it makes my pc go BEEP, is there a way to stop it from beeping?
22:53:27  <ABCRic> I always use 7zip for rar files :)
22:53:45  <glx> the worse I've seen is zip in rar
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22:54:08  <ABCRic> glx: zip files inside rar files?
22:54:13  <glx> yes
22:54:26  <Rubidium> glx: really?
22:54:31  <Eddi|zuHause> everybody knows that .lnk are the most compressed files!
22:54:42  <ABCRic> well, you have to admit it *does* give the impression that it will be compressed better
22:54:52  <ABCRic> the ignorant user
22:55:12  <Rubidium> glx: does that beat "files in self extracting executable in self extracting executable in zip in rar"?
22:55:12  <glx> anyway 7zip is enough to open everything
22:55:23  <ABCRic> Eddi: too bad no-one invented a .lnk compressor yet
22:55:40  <VVG> i stick to rar since ages ago, used to it, and it just works for me
22:56:11  <Eddi|zuHause> ABCRic: i think you missed the joke...
22:56:36  <ABCRic> no, but I might have missed a 'xD' at the end of the line :P
22:57:02  <glx> Eddi|zuHause: I know people "saving" games by just moving the shortcut from desktop to an usb drive
22:57:11  <Eddi|zuHause> ABCRic: there was a !
22:57:38  <ABCRic> Eddi: at the end of my response
22:57:42  <Eddi|zuHause> the "use smilies like interpunctuation" works both ways :)
22:58:22  <ABCRic> glx: but it's so convenient...
22:58:22  <Eddi|zuHause> ABCRic: anyway, you probably should have said "decompressor"
22:58:26  <SpComb> .lnk to a public internet-accessible SMB share
22:58:42  <SpComb> observe this innovative new cloud technology
22:58:43  <ABCRic> Eddi: whatever. :P
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22:59:21  <glx> SpComb: like http://localhost/ links ?
22:59:39  <ABCRic> SpComb: In the feature, all data will be stored in remote places and you can access them from anywhere.
22:59:59  <ABCRic> *them != it
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23:00:14  <Eddi|zuHause> "the cloud"...
23:00:24  <ABCRic> SpComb: Also, Google will take over the world.
23:00:43  <ABCRic> *after* 2012 ends said world
23:00:44  <Eddi|zuHause> you need some serious redundancy and encryption for that to work reliably
23:01:13  <Eddi|zuHause> ABCRic: the world ends on average every two years...
23:01:54  <Eddi|zuHause> if you believe everybody who predicts the end of the world and constructs some remotely vague theory around it
23:02:06  <ABCRic> Eddi: but 2012 is a more known date for a world-end
23:02:26  <ABCRic> because of movies
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23:02:39  <Eddi|zuHause> there are plenty of "known" dates for end of the world...
23:02:51  <ABCRic> and also Mayans not having any more space to finish the calendar
23:03:01  <Eddi|zuHause> just because it's currently hyped, doesn't mean it's the one that will come true
23:03:17  <VVG> great, now it produces nicely named archive, thanks a lot
23:03:42  <ABCRic> you don't have to tell *me* that. I'm a complete don't-believe-'till-I-see-it
23:04:05  <Eddi|zuHause> weird, when someone starts a sentence with "great" i expect something sarcastic-ironic following it...
23:04:09  <VVG> should have gone with msys right away instead of gnuwin, it was actually easy and straighforward
23:05:12  <VVG> Eddi|zuHause: you might need help there :p
23:05:21  <ABCRic> Eddi: doesn't happen *every* time...
23:05:36  <VVG> wait, i have NT instead of win32 in the name :(
23:06:13  <ABCRic> VVG: o.O
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23:07:38  <VVG> I supply PLATFORM=WIN32 and get Windows_NT in the name of a bundle
23:08:15  <Rubidium> VVG: guess what... Win32 != WIN32
23:09:15  <ABCRic> well, I'm off. gn everyone
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23:09:37  <VVG> this, well, is strange, no?
23:09:46  <Rubidium> and the Windows_NT comes from your global OS variable
23:11:42  <VVG> Is this normal for winXP to have OS = Windows_NT?
23:12:19  <Eddi|zuHause> XP is just a fancy name for NT 5.2
23:13:05  <glx> or 5.1
23:13:25  <glx> vista is 6.0, 7 is 6.1 ;)
23:13:33  <Eddi|zuHause> 5.2 is SP2?
23:14:13  <glx>
23:15:33  <glx> this page used to be more complete, but as they dropped win9x support...
23:15:57  <glx> platform dropped = doc disapeared
23:18:23  <Eddi|zuHause> well, the docs probably make the largest part of the support ;)
23:20:01  <glx> indeed, and it's fun when you need to fix something win32 related and need it to work on win9x too
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23:44:15  <VVG> hm, in turnk, autofill rounds the time taken to nearest day. If i set it, using a patch, to something smaller than DAY_TICKS, what implications it can have? A simple quick test with save/load suggest it's nothing to care about.
23:47:44  <Eddi|zuHause> it's a compile time constant, you can freely change it...
23:52:20  <VVG> assert(v->timetable_start_ticks_offset != NULL); here, does the NULL mean not initialized, and not integer zero?
23:53:06  <SmatZ> NULL means NULL pointer
23:53:09  <Eddi|zuHause> that looks weird
23:54:11  <Eddi|zuHause> the variable doesn't sound like a pointer, so comparing with the null pointer doesn't seem to make any sense
23:54:28  <SmatZ> VVG: I can't find that code in OTTD sources
23:54:38  <VVG> that's from a patch :)
23:54:45  <Eddi|zuHause> so next step would be to check what type the variable has
23:54:55  <VVG> i want to make sure that a variable is initialized and set to some value, whatever it is
23:55:32  <SmatZ> I am not sure OpenTTD is the best place to learn C/C++
23:56:26  <VVG> plain copypast works wonders sometimes, but as seen here, might be wrong

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