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00:55:41  <[hta]specx> what is a sprite?
00:56:36  <[hta]specx> is it an image, or a series of images, or a series of images with bitmask, or...?
00:57:21  <ccfreak2k> It's a beverage!
00:58:09  <VVG> ccfreak2k: you are weak, if you couldn't resist!
00:58:40  <ccfreak2k> I always pick the lowest-hanging fruit.
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01:03:33  <VVG> what about berries?
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06:55:27  <Terkhen> good morning
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08:09:52  <Wolf01> hello
08:10:13  <X-2> hiya
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09:21:09  <dihedral> morning
09:26:22  <__ln__> cuidado piso mojado
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10:55:29  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20774 /trunk/src/station.cpp: -Fix [FS#4116]: assertion triggered when removing a station owned by nobody when the local company is "spectator" as well
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11:13:40  <planetmaker> oh, you have much faith, dihedral ;-)
11:13:55  <planetmaker> Given that that person cannot interpret a simple "file not found" error
11:16:38  <dihedral> echo is not in his path, which i can understand on a cygwin environment
11:17:01  <dihedral> however, it's not made for windows :-P
11:17:12  <dihedral> there are some specifics that just do not allow that :-D
11:17:16  <planetmaker> I do understand that it is not found. But things can then easily be added to the path
11:17:30  <dihedral> i should rewrite it in java :-P
11:17:30  <peter1138> True, False, File Not Found
11:17:32  <Rubidium> dihedral: just finish "that other project" and be done with tcl :)
11:17:54  <planetmaker> haha :-)
11:17:55  <dihedral> same issue - the 'other project' is also only designed to ever run on linux
11:18:03  <dihedral> + it has some other ... flaws
11:18:14  <dihedral> i'd prefer working with java :-P
11:18:23  <Rubidium> then you're thinking of the wrong "other project"
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11:18:29  <planetmaker> :-)
11:18:36  <dihedral> oh - that _other_ project
11:18:39  <dihedral> yes - working on it
11:18:42  <dihedral> in progress
11:18:45  <dihedral> slow but alive
11:18:45  <dihedral> :-)
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11:19:46  <Rubidium> just finish it within the next 3 months, otherwise you'd have to wait another year before deprecating the rest
11:20:02  <dihedral> that's just about what i was going to ask
11:20:10  <dihedral> 3 months should not be a problem
11:20:19  <dihedral> i only have the problem that pools are not my friends :-P
11:20:36  <dihedral> except of course swimming pools
11:20:41  <dihedral> and pool tables
11:20:42  <dihedral> :-D
11:21:05  <dihedral> however i'll wrap up everything else as good as i can
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11:26:36  <Mek2> hello, at the end of 2050, the company league table in a newspaper is shown. is it possible to change the year when this happens, for example to 2080 on a network server?
11:28:06  <dihedral> nope
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11:28:24  <Mek2> thanks
11:28:29  <dihedral> you are welcome
11:29:24  <TrueBrain> you lied!
11:29:43  * planetmaker welcomes TrueBrain
11:29:50  <TrueBrain> hi planetmaker :D
11:30:05  <TrueBrain> but of course it is possible! Might require a recompile ... but still :p
11:30:16  <Mek2> of course :D
11:30:21  * TrueBrain gniffels and goes hide under a rock
11:30:26  <Mek2> i asked i f it was possible in the stock openttd :)
11:31:09  <TrueBrain> # You kisses are so sweet and my heart goes boom
11:33:55  <dihedral> "you kisses"?
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11:54:42  <planetmaker> please keep the details from us
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12:10:15  <Mek2> hi, is there a way to disable the purchase land tool for a network game?
12:11:05  <planetmaker> no
12:12:04  <dihedral> planetmaker, watch out for TB :-P
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12:12:16  <Mek2> except for recompiling, I know :D
12:12:22  <dihedral> :-D
12:12:24  <planetmaker> :-) you learn fast
12:12:48  <planetmaker> it might even be sufficient to just re-compile the server
12:12:58  <planetmaker> but people will complain and devs then hate you ;-)
12:13:05  <Mek2> that would be the preferred option :)
12:13:32  <Mek2> well, would be good that if instead of purchasing the land, the land would be just cleared :)
12:14:02  <Rubidium> that could (in theory) be done by a firewall messing with the packets
12:14:19  <Mek2> yes
12:14:40  <Mek2> but making the changes in source code and recompiling seems a much better solution :)
12:14:54  <planetmaker> Mek2, still, better don't do it
12:15:08  <Mek2> yeah, so no solution for me :E
12:15:24  <Mek2> i am a n00b when it comes to c++ anyway :D
12:15:40  <planetmaker> well... you could make a patch and propose that for inclusion ;-)
12:16:05  <Mek2> good option but not for me :)
12:16:11  <planetmaker> we work the way that we pw-protect the server. And ban anyone who messes up
12:16:29  <Mek2> and how do you get the password to the public?
12:16:32  <planetmaker> one may skip the pw-protection
12:16:43  <planetmaker> the password is obtained in our IRC channel
12:16:47  <Mek2> aha
12:16:52  <planetmaker> #openttdcoop
12:17:09  <Mek2> well my server is just for testing anyway
12:17:22  <Mek2> however when somebody acts bad, he gets banned
12:17:32  <Mek2> not sufficient for danymic ips, i know
12:17:46  <planetmaker> sufficient enough
12:17:56  <planetmaker> IPs are not re-distributed that often
12:18:46  <Mek2> well if somebody has dsl line and dynamic ip, he can just reconnect his modem and get a new one
12:18:59  <Mek2> just for example
12:19:27  <planetmaker> IF he gets a new one upon re-connect
12:19:39  <planetmaker> even if it's not guaranteed, it's not unlikely
12:19:56  <Mek2> in a majority he does get a new one :)
12:20:02  <Mek2> at least here in slovakia
12:20:03  <planetmaker> well. Even so: you can then ban the IP range ;-)
12:20:13  <Mek2> really? how?
12:20:23  <planetmaker> ban 134.134.122.*
12:20:29  <planetmaker> via rcon
12:20:34  <Mek2> good to know, thanks :)
12:20:47  <Rubidium> planetmaker: is that the syntax?
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12:20:54  <planetmaker> Not entirely sure
12:21:04  <Rubidium> thought it was a.b.c.d/z
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12:21:14  * dihedral alreay knows his next reply to that ap thread :-P
12:21:17  <planetmaker> you might know better :-)
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12:21:26  <Mek2> well, we will see when we try :)
12:21:41  <Mek2> help on ban command does not say anything about banning a range
12:22:03  <dihedral> could something like that not be handled by a newgrf?
12:22:39  <dihedral> <Mek2> help on ban command does not say anything about banning a range <- because it does not?
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12:24:29  <planetmaker> Mek2, I'm quite sure it supports it meanwhile, though
12:24:38  <planetmaker> The wiki might be outdated and the ingame help not verbose ;-)
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12:59:43  <Wasila> Hey
13:02:42  <dihedral> 'sup?
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13:05:33  <Belugas> morning all
13:05:41  <Belugas> or good afertnoon
13:05:45  <dihedral> \o/ Belugas :-)
13:05:49  <Belugas> or good evening
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13:05:54  <Belugas> and hello dihedral
13:06:51  <Wasila> Good afternoon for most of us, I think
13:07:21  <Rubidium> it's always after a noon
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13:08:14  <BCMM> how long does it take for a company to be declared bankrupt?
13:10:21  <Wasila> After today's noon
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13:13:36  <planetmaker> BCMM, 4 consecutive quarters negative income
13:13:42  <planetmaker> it counts the first day of that quarter
13:13:52  <planetmaker> uhm... not income. But money balance
13:13:57  <BCMM> oh, it's negative income? i thought it was negative balance
13:14:01  <planetmaker> like negative money
13:14:02  <BCMM> ah
13:14:04  <planetmaker> not income
13:15:58  <dihedral> planetmaker,
13:15:59  <dihedral> :-D
13:16:01  <Wasila> Does my system have some sort of virus
13:16:06  <Wasila> or is there an advert
13:16:10  <Wasila> for breast enlargement at the bottom of the forum
13:16:27  <dihedral> Wasila, forums advertisement is based on previous searches in google
13:16:27  <planetmaker> both may well be
13:16:38  <planetmaker> dihedral, definitely not
13:16:42  <dihedral> psssht
13:16:44  <dihedral> c'mon
13:16:46  <dihedral> :-D
13:17:05  <dihedral> could have been too much fun
13:17:07  <Wasila> Are there supposed to be Google Ads above the copyright?
13:17:07  <Wasila> Shower Enclosures | Business Gifts | Cheap Home Insurance | Debt Help | Fridge
13:17:07  <Wasila> Powered by phpBB © 2000-2009 phpBB Group
13:17:12  <Belugas> I love th BH Photo Video advertisements :)
13:17:27  <Belugas> at the top of the forums...
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13:18:15  <planetmaker> I wonder though why they want to sell me a data centre in South Africa
13:18:26  <Wasila> I see no ads at the top
13:18:39  <Wasila> A data centre in South Africa! I've always wanted one of those!
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13:20:05  <dihedral> Wasila, ever considered the running costs? :-P
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13:20:31  <Wasila> Meh
13:20:32  <Wasila> It would be worth it
13:20:46  <dihedral> who want's to host anything in a DC in SA?
13:21:03  <Wasila> It will probably be cheaper than a DC over here
13:21:04  <planetmaker> if you sell lion steaks...
13:21:13  <Wasila> You never know when you might need to host something
13:21:28  <planetmaker> well I do. Kinda now
13:21:35  <planetmaker> But... rather Europe ;-)
13:21:50  <Wasila> But what if you want to reach out to the South African market?
13:21:59  <Wasila> You can guarantee quicker speeds
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13:22:45  <dihedral> planetmaker, aye - right now :-P
13:22:56  <dihedral> i am considering buying a secondhand server and doing colocation
13:22:59  <Terkhen> it could be worse: lately I have scientology ads
13:25:48  <planetmaker> would it be a bad pun to answer "I don't believe so"? ;-)
13:26:07  <Terkhen> :D
13:26:19  <Wasila> <_<
13:26:24  <Wasila> 'Fridge'
13:26:27  <Wasila> What an enticing advert
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14:24:55  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20775 /trunk/src/group_gui.cpp: -Fix (r20771): the group's vehicle lists weren't properly populated
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14:40:21  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20776 /trunk/src/vehiclelist.cpp: -Codechange: make VehicleLists for the group "ALL_GROUP" work as well
14:40:52  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20777 /trunk/src/ (group_gui.cpp vehicle_gui.cpp vehicle_gui_base.h): -Codechange: make VehicleListIdentifier a variable of BaseVehicleList and use that instead of "dereferencing" the window number and storing some information twice
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15:14:37  <dihedral> what actually happened to the comic set? too much work?
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15:32:02  <planetmaker> the comic_set... yes and no
15:32:09  <planetmaker> The problem is indeed the graphics mostly
15:32:37  <planetmaker> it needs converting all those houses to something usable, especially the construction stages.
15:32:50  <planetmaker> The proposed way is nice IMHO. But quite time-intensive
15:33:11  <planetmaker> Also the read-made houses have lightening which is not quite proper
15:33:22  <planetmaker> simutrans and OpenTTD use a different direction there
15:33:31  <planetmaker> ^ dihedral
15:34:17  <planetmaker> but even if I converted those sprites I have, those are not quite enough.
15:36:21  <planetmaker> It could see a release quite fast, if *someone* did the graphics work
15:36:39  <planetmaker> The code itself is VERY easy - at least for a first version
15:36:51  <planetmaker> Just add the filenames and a few properties to a list and be done
15:36:55  <planetmaker> That's all prepared
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16:08:37  <planetmaker>,1518,716662,00.html <-- nice. German government sells for a few hundred million the concession for another decade or two of nuclear power and a guarantee to not require more than half a billion of investments in security in the power plants, not not rise or create any taxes related to the plants' operation
16:10:41  <frosch123> as usual, the companies take the profit, the government the financial risks
16:11:15  <frosch123> do they also write about the amount of donations to parities and politicians?
16:13:22  <Rubidium> do I smell Germany's ACTA in there?
16:15:41  * Rubidium ponders proposing millions of wind mills near the German border so if something goes wrong we can just blow the crap back to Merkel's home
16:16:18  <Rubidium> let me guess, she lives in the place in Germany that is furthest away from any of those power plants
16:16:38  <SmatZ> well, would you prefer coal power plants over nuclear ones?
16:17:10  <Rubidium> SmatZ: both having lethal waste? Neither?
16:17:34  <SmatZ> Rubidium: apparently, there's a need for electric power
16:17:40  <Rubidium> but heh, a wind mill is ugly
16:17:58  <Rubidium> and "polutes" the landscape, which is why they're so incredibly costly
16:18:06  <frosch123> SmatZ: interestingly germany does not lack sufficient supply
16:18:12  <SmatZ> they can be built in the middle of ocean :)
16:18:37  <Rubidium> SmatZ: but then they'll kill migrating birds (okay, that's a sea)
16:18:44  <planetmaker> Rubidium, not quite, concerning her home, IIRC. But still...
16:19:09  <SmatZ> frosch123: if the power plants closed in 10 years, would it still have enough power?
16:19:22  <planetmaker> SmatZ, and the energy report for the next decade or so which the decision was based upon kinda states that the needed energy could be supplied without
16:19:25  <SmatZ> (or what was the plan)
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16:20:13  <frosch123> SmatZ: yes, nuclear power is quite superfluous
16:20:29  <planetmaker> the plan was to build more wind mills, more gas power plants and "block-heizkraftwerke". Which is a kind of combined heat and electricity power plant run with various fuels
16:21:24  <planetmaker> Actually the most interesting fact is that they guarantee no tax raise on anything nuclear power - related in that treaty.
16:21:29  <frosch123> there were years where 1/3 of the plants were stopped, and noone noticed any impact
16:21:42  <planetmaker> At the same time they guarantee an upper cap to security investments to be made by the companies
16:22:24  <planetmaker> And they reverse the schedule to phase out nuclear power plants in the next 20 years - something the vast majority of Germans support
16:22:46  <APTX> what about that fun plan of building solar power plants in the sahara? :)
16:23:16  <Rubidium> APTX: not physically viable
16:23:27  <APTX> how viable?
16:23:45  <Rubidium> to get the power here you'd lose like 90% in the cables
16:23:50  <frosch123> you need superconductors acrosss 2000km ?
16:24:12  <planetmaker> Rubidium, interesting fact in German politics is also: those federal states which completely deny to search for a nuclear waste dump within their borders are the most vigerous advocates of nuclear energy ;-)
16:26:01  <frosch123> i guess the power companies are not even interested in continueing with the plants. they just want to government to take the costs for disassembling them
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16:26:44  <Rubidium> frosch123: unlikely; it's easy to just dump those power plants :)
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16:27:40  <Rubidium> just split your company in a nuclear and non-nuclear part and let the nuclear part go bankrupt
16:28:25  <Rubidium> you might even get more money out of it by selling it to a hedgefund
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16:34:11  <SmatZ> as of 2007, Germany's el. consumption is 547TWh, production is 593TWh, of which ~150TWh is from nucler power
16:34:19  <SmatZ> (why is finding such information that hard?)
16:35:16  <planetmaker> it's sensible information :-P
16:35:29  <planetmaker> *sensitive
16:35:58  <Eddi|zuHause> i have the figure of "roughly 30% nuclear power" in my head
16:36:16  <frosch123> i guess that was the number around 1995
16:36:24  <frosch123> now there are 20% wind
16:37:07  <Eddi|zuHause> 20% wind? that is hard to believe...
16:40:29  <frosch123> hmm, no, i was wrong. 20% is the sum of regenerative power
16:40:53  <Eddi|zuHause> <Rubidium> let me guess, she lives in the place in Germany that is furthest away from any of those power plants <- afair all operational nuclear power plants are in west germany. there was one under construction in east germany, but it was never finished (after the tschernobyl incident)
16:41:13  <De_Ghosty> nuclear is the future
16:41:35  <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: that sounds slightly more believable
16:41:59  <SmatZ> problem is, there are places that talk about "energy", but not "electric energy" specifically
16:42:15  <frosch123> wiki says 16.1% in 2009 and about 1% point growth per year
16:42:25  <planetmaker>,did=249606.html <-- tells 16% wind power, 8% other regenerative power
16:42:30  <frosch123>
16:42:42  <__ln__> SmatZ:
16:42:53  <SmatZ> __ln__: nice
16:42:55  <frosch123> at about 2/3 of that page is a table
16:42:56  <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: while wind power popped out of the ground like mushrooms over the past ~10 years, i'd postulate that it is simply not possible to get 20% out of that...
16:42:59  <planetmaker> so wind power and nuclear power have the same percentage
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16:43:45  <SmatZ> isn't there going to be ~50% tax for incomes from nuclear energy?
16:44:01  <SmatZ> I heard something like that in czech news
16:44:09  <SmatZ> about Germany
16:44:16  <frosch123> planetmaker: why does your statistics say 16% when mine says 4.8% ?
16:44:24  <planetmaker> dunno :-)
16:44:50  <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: that part is under negotiation currently... i have my doubts that it'll actually come, the nuclear lobby is pretty strong, and the green party is not in the government
16:45:50  <planetmaker> ah... frosch123 there's a difference between installed output power and power generation
16:45:57  <planetmaker> your 5% is the actual generation
16:46:13  <frosch123> makes sense
16:46:18  <planetmaker> and then nuclear power is at 26%
16:46:39  <Eddi|zuHause> so 20% is for the very theoretical chance that all wind mills are operating at optimal levels?
16:46:45  <frosch123> hehe, there are two tables on your page :p
16:46:51  <planetmaker> yes :-P
16:46:56  <planetmaker> I only saw the 2nd one now ;-)
16:50:44  <De_Ghosty> all renewable is a pipe dream :o
16:50:52  <De_Ghosty> they are not reliable enough
16:51:27  <frosch123> all nuclear is stupid as well, they are not flexible enough :p
16:51:58  <De_Ghosty> but they generate so much power with new reactor designs
16:52:30  <De_Ghosty> who do you mean not flexible
16:52:30  <frosch123> sure, with new. but we talk about 40 year old unmaintained stuff
16:52:38  <Eddi|zuHause> but you have extreme political difficulties to actually build a new reactor
16:52:40  <De_Ghosty> you can build em anywhere
16:52:50  <Eddi|zuHause> most of the existing reactors are several decades old
16:52:52  <De_Ghosty> damn green gas spewing hippies
16:53:02  <De_Ghosty> we should line em all up and shoot them
16:53:08  <frosch123> De_Ghosty: and the most effective reactors are not allowed because they are suitable for weapon stuff
16:53:17  <Eddi|zuHause> france has very big problems with overaging nuclear reactors
16:53:33  <De_Ghosty>
16:53:35  <Rubidium> De_Ghosty: and where are we going to dump the waste?
16:53:46  <De_Ghosty> candu reactor can burn natural urainium
16:53:47  <Rubidium> would your house suffice?
16:53:50  <De_Ghosty> yes
16:53:55  <De_Ghosty> if you reproccess the waste
16:54:02  <De_Ghosty> i'll hide it in my backyard
16:54:11  <De_Ghosty> a 1m by 1m hole with concrete
16:54:55  <frosch123> Rubidium: actually the waste argument is not very good, as the amount of waste is not important if there is already waste
16:56:10  <Eddi|zuHause> both building new nuclear reactors as well as dumping the waste suffer from a classical "NIMBY" situation
16:56:53  <Rubidium> frosch123: in that case, just fill the planet with coal burning plants and put CFKs back into spraycans and fridges
16:56:55  <De_Ghosty> build it and dump it in my backyard please
16:57:12  <De_Ghosty> i want cheaper electricity
16:57:30  <frosch123> Rubidium: nope, now you mention stuff where the amount matters
16:57:58  <frosch123> you can dump all nuclear waste in a small hole. every hole will be big enough, you just need one at all
16:59:29  <Eddi|zuHause> the problem with "just dig a hole" is what happens after 100, 500 or 10000 years, when possibly everybody has forgotten that there was something dumped there
16:59:45  <De_Ghosty> then we loose like 3 ppl
16:59:46  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: the trees with light up :)
17:00:55  <De_Ghosty> energy drive progress!!!
17:01:57  <planetmaker> there's unfortunately no-where a suitable site so far found
17:02:20  <planetmaker> And it is somewhat questionable whether there can be any at all which qualifies as long-term stable in a geological sense
17:02:41  <planetmaker> Just next door they pull out all those nuclear barrels from the Asse...
17:03:01  <planetmaker> an old salt-mine which was supposed to be safe. Until water found its way in
17:03:05  <De_Ghosty> reprocessing
17:03:21  <De_Ghosty> and shrink it by a factor of 10
17:03:33  <Rubidium> De_Ghosty: is that French slang for flushing it into the ocean?
17:03:39  <De_Ghosty> no
17:03:58  <planetmaker> hehe. The sellafield solution ;-)
17:04:11  <De_Ghosty> flush into the ocean is fine
17:05:22  <planetmaker> where shall I then get my daily piece of whale then?
17:06:33  <Eddi|zuHause> De_Ghosty: they have found huge patches of ocean where plastic drifts in circles, just few cm below the surface...
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17:07:41  <Terkhen> throw it all into the sun
17:07:55  <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: the futurama approach ;)
17:08:05  <Terkhen> and the best one :)
17:08:30  <Terkhen> but might be insanely expensive
17:08:31  <Eddi|zuHause> where a huge ball of garbage will return back to earth in 1000 years :p
17:08:46  <De_Ghosty> citation needed
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17:09:52  <Eddi|zuHause> De_Ghosty: it was one of the first episodes of futurama...
17:09:59  <Eddi|zuHause> like 1x05-ish
17:10:02  <De_Ghosty> o
17:10:03  <De_Ghosty> that one
17:10:06  <De_Ghosty> i saw it
17:10:12  <Rubidium> just load it into an Ariane V (loaded with the software of the Ariane IV)
17:10:21  <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p
17:10:29  <Rubidium> no need to worry about it returning back to earth in 1000 years
17:10:50  <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i don't think that has any kind of significant loading capacity ;)
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17:11:14  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: true, only 9000 kg
17:12:33  <glx> it will overflow anyway
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17:45:28  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20778 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/ido.txt:
17:45:28  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:28  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: ido - 77 changes by Edwardo
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17:58:28  <andythenorth> hi hi
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19:05:09  <Eddi|zuHause> ido-solo two days in a row?
19:05:36  <Eddi|zuHause> you guys don't change enough strings in english.txt ;=)
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20:50:10  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20779 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt newgrf_gui.cpp): -Add [FS#4025]: If GRFs do not have action14 parameter information, allow to set the number of parameters in the GUI explicitly.
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20:59:50  <dihedral> lost my rc plane in a corn field :-(
21:00:50  <frosch123> oh, btw. Eddi|zuHause: all languages have currently at least one untranslated string :p
21:00:51  <Wolf01> you might find it when they'll gather the grain
21:03:05  <Rubidium> dihedral: that should teach you to use non-stable planes
21:04:05  * Rubidium is amazed by the simplicity of the s390 emulator
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21:04:22  <dihedral> Rubidium, it was ... IS an e-glider :-S
21:04:55  * Terkhen is amazed by the stupidity of msys
21:05:56  <Terkhen> or maybe mine, both amaze me anyways
21:06:30  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i don't find this bug (in someone else's code)... SOMEHOW an utf8-encoded string is getting shoved into an "encode into utf8" routine, or the other way round
21:06:37  <Eddi|zuHause> and throwing an exception
21:08:20  <VVG> hello
21:08:23  * Zuu hides (uses Cygwin instead of msys, but at my last major upgrade Cygwin had massive problems)
21:09:32  <VVG> i did a bit of reading and came up with this solution: int selected_index = static_cast<const TimetableWindow*> (w)->sel_index; to get index of a selected order through a window. seems to work. This allows me to use a settime window to change orders' times
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21:10:46  <Terkhen> Zuu: I might end up trying cygwin
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21:14:59  <Zuu> I like the installer of Cygwin, kind of like aptitude and its friends.
21:17:02  <Terkhen> they are trying to do something similar for mingw/msys, but right now it "forgets" to link mingw and msys folders together
21:17:56  <Terkhen> as a result, configure (run by msys) detected the installed libraries but compilation (gcc is part of mingw) failed as if they were not present
21:20:04  <Wolf01> why not reconfigure under cygwin?
21:20:43  <Terkhen> because I don't have cygwin
21:21:09  <Terkhen> I just found the fix, let's try again
21:21:12  <VVG> what does cyg in cygwin stands for?
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21:22:39  <Lakie> Just wondering if anyone can explain how I'd use industry var 67, so I can complete testing of my object ttdpatch implementation?
21:25:07  <Wolf01> 'night
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21:25:12  <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: i always hated the cygwin installer, because you could not search/filter packages
21:25:29  <Zuu> search/filter was added in the last major update.
21:25:49  <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: that's like three years too late, i'm afraid :)
21:25:59  <Zuu> But agree that it was quite tedious before to find packages.
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21:32:37  <Terkhen> IIRC it was a graphical installer; does it have a command line version too?
21:32:55  <SmatZ> about Germany
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21:46:21  <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: was that a question?
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21:55:47  <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: wrong window, sorry :)
22:00:09  <Zuu> Terkhen: Yes it's GUI. There might be a CLI-version if you dig around, but I don't remember having seen one.
22:00:21  <Zuu> Good night
22:00:29  <Terkhen> good night Zuu
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22:09:54  <VVG> atm, the diff for virtual time patch i have is 54kb, is that a lot for a small patch?
22:10:42  <Rubidium> I'd argue it's not small
22:11:00  <Rubidium> small is more like less than 1 KiB :)
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22:13:53  <Rubidium> booh... the s390 emulator is slower than the powerpc emulator :(
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22:17:14  <Eddi|zuHause> small is <10 lines changed
22:18:06  <Eddi|zuHause> something that can be done in an hour ;)
22:21:04  <VVG> found the line, <Hirundo> VVG: I just think that 49 kb of diff for something that should be a simple client side setting is a bit too much, but I'd have to study in greater depth to see what makes it so complicated
22:21:21  <VVG> since it's bigger than 50kb, does it make not a simple slient side setting?
22:22:39  <planetmaker> @openttd commit 13481
22:22:40  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Commit by smatz :: r13481 trunk/src/dock_gui.cpp (2008-06-11 21:37:36 UTC)
22:22:41  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: -Codechange: add 'B' keyboard shortcut to build aqueduct (planetmaker)
22:22:49  <planetmaker> ^ that is small :-)
22:24:06  <Eddi|zuHause> i think everything except for the ITiM update that ever came from me was small
22:24:49  <VVG> haha
22:25:26  <Eddi|zuHause> the panorama screenshot might have been borderline small ;)
22:26:13  <VVG> another thing, i wonder if it's ok to use unused "const char *text" param of cmdsettimetablestart to pass an int value to it? than startdate offset won't be limited to 4095 ticks
22:26:30  <VVG> s/than/then/
22:27:06  <Terkhen> that seems wrong to me... there is not enough space at p1 or p2?
22:27:26  <VVG> no, only 12 bits, which are used already
22:28:11  <Yexo> VVG: that won't work in networking mode, unless you convert the int to a string and back
22:28:21  <Yexo> you can't just cast the int to a pointer and back
22:28:29  <VVG> exactly what i was thinking of
22:28:48  <Yexo> I don't like that solution though
22:29:27  <VVG> it looks uglyhacky to me, but requires least modifications and allows unlimited offset :)
22:31:19  <Rubidium> you can easily reduce the offset to %74 if you just set the right start date
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22:34:12  <VVG> it's % DAY_TICKS right now, the avaible 12 bits is more than enough for DAY_TICK < 4096. I was thinking of making compatible with some possible future day_length patch that sets DAY_TICK bigger than 4096
22:34:54  <Rubidium> then they have to fix a gazillion other issues as well, so don't bother much about that
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22:40:31  <VVG> can someone take a look and comment on this piece of code? I'm interested in static_cast part from ottd coding style POV. It does work though. This callback is used instead of trunk's way, where it's done in OnQueryTextDone.
22:42:01  <VVG> it took me quite some time and lot of compile time errors to figure out how to get the sel_index directly from a window.
22:42:21  <Yexo> \a DoCommand parameter that depends on a gui setting smells wrong
22:42:52  <VVG> this is to change order's wait and travel time
22:42:53  <Yexo> unless it's actually the time parameter that depends on the gui setting and that function packs it to type again
22:43:35  <VVG> it works the same in trunk
22:43:46  <VVG> but is done in onquerytextfinished
22:44:45  <planetmaker> VVG: but what happens if the very same thing has different settings for different clients?
22:45:01  <Yexo> VVG: I see, it's correct indeed
22:45:07  <VVG> docommand receives only ticks, whatever is the gui setting is
22:45:15  <planetmaker> ok :-)
22:47:38  <VVG> what about that static_cast thingie? this is what i'm worried about :)
22:49:47  <Terkhen> good night
22:50:20  <VVG> gn
22:51:19  <glx> [00:14:02] <@Rubidium> booh... the s390 emulator is slower than the powerpc emulator :( <-- it's possible to be slower ?
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22:55:09  <VVG> Is date cheat avaible for use in multiplayer to anyone?
22:55:28  <Rubidium> not with an unpatched binary
22:56:54  <Rubidium> glx: it does roughly 30k ops/s, so comparable with a 30kHz processor
22:57:51  <Rubidium> although it manages to download stuff at ~300 KiB/s (with 100% CPU @ 2.53 GHz)
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23:00:23  <Rubidium> glx: but I'll time compilation of GRFCodec later; if that's more than 5 minutes I definitely know it's slower
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23:02:52  <ccfreak2k> s390 is still around?
23:03:14  <Rubidium> oh, it's actually opengfx that I'd need to test
23:03:23  <Rubidium> ccfreak2k: yes!
23:06:41  <VVG> I have a declaration of a func at the top of a file and definition is at the bottom. Is that acceptable?
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23:09:47  <dihedral> erm ... LOL?
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23:15:14  <glx> I'd say good luck to join it with ipv4
23:15:41  <Rubidium> actually... he's using portforwarding
23:15:58  <glx> yes and the real port is 4040 :)
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23:20:01  <dihedral> Rubidium, why would someone do that?? :-P
23:20:37  <Rubidium> dihedral: why are you asking that to me?
23:20:45  <dihedral> :-P
23:24:01  <VVG> just noticed, it's OpenTTD developers, but TTDPatch moderators on tt-forums.
23:24:35  <Yexo> never noticed that
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