Log for #openttd on 14th September 2010:
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18:05:18  <SpComb> no, the whole server kind of crashed
18:05:23  <SpComb> so I gutted it and restarted the userland
18:05:37  <SpComb> that handled all the /etc/init.d/ stuff, but not cron's @reboot
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18:10:47  <Ammler> [20:01] <Rubidium> so maybe Belugas lives north enough that the length of the skirt becomes negative <-- LOL
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18:19:01  <dihedral> negative might really look odd
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18:26:47  <andythenorth>
18:28:01  <Rubidium> those engines and wagons are unrealistically too long
18:28:17  <Rubidium> the distance between tracks seems about right though
18:28:31  <andythenorth> also the corners are too smooth
18:28:42  <andythenorth> can't be real OTTD, must be a photoshop fake :P
18:28:50  <andythenorth> nice to see them using opengfx shores though
18:29:05  <andythenorth> the transmitter looks a bit different?
18:29:09  <andythenorth> has someone redrawn it
18:29:21  <Rubidium> SAC's newobjects light thing?
18:29:48  <andythenorth> they've used some ISR tiles bottom left
18:30:16  <Wolf01> how did you get the water to reflect the sky?
18:30:21  <andythenorth> the football pitch sprites have been changed to a baseball pitch?
18:30:32  <andythenorth> what bridge set is that?
18:32:10  <Ammler> too many trees, old game
18:32:14  <Wolf01> uhm.. there has ever been a sky on ottd?
18:33:54  <planetmaker> sky as in...?
18:33:55  <Rubidium> there a plenty of limits and the sky is the limit, so yes, there must be sky in OpenTTD
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19:02:39  <planetmaker> apropos... as this CF compiles also the TTDP nightlies: should the DOS nightly patch the DOS version?
19:02:58  <planetmaker> When I use that on a working and running TTD install inside dosbox, it won't start afterwards anymore
19:03:44  <planetmaker> or asked differently: should it turn into a windows application?
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19:05:53  <frosch123> no, dos ttdp is for dos ttd in dos
19:06:21  <frosch123> i also ran it in dosbox, though not recently
19:06:22  <planetmaker> or I somehow seem to have the wrong dos ttd version
19:06:54  <SmatZ> planetmaker: the DOS version of TTDPatch hasn't worked for me for quite long time...
19:06:57  <frosch123> somewhen dos ttdp was broken, but iirc dalestan returned for one night and fixed it
19:07:48  <planetmaker> hm... I get an OOM error...
19:07:51  <SmatZ> frosch123: does it mean the problem reported ^^^ is fixed nowadays?
19:08:10  <frosch123> one of the problem was fixed, not sure whether all
19:08:12  <Lakie> I'm unsure
19:08:22  <frosch123> planetmaker: you have to set the low memory switch for the dos version or so
19:08:27  <Lakie> I remember DaleStan said he had a go at "blind" fixing it.
19:08:27  <SmatZ> planetmaker: OOM probably indicated dosbox error :p
19:09:06  <SmatZ> thanks, I should try if it works now :)
19:10:34  <planetmaker> the windows version fails in wine with registry errors for me. That's even more cryptic ;-)
19:11:02  <frosch123> the windows version requires some registry stuff
19:11:22  <Ammler> planetmaker: use the "howto" from our wiki
19:11:40  <SmatZ> planetmaker: you should run the installer from your original (tm) TTD for Windows CD-ROM
19:11:49  <Ammler> :-)
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19:11:55  <frosch123> you can download some ttd registry tool from the ttdp site
19:12:25  <frosch123> a lot easier than dealing with the original installation thingie
19:12:25  <planetmaker> Well... I used the installer. And afterwards I got that registry error
19:13:24  <Ammler> ask at how to install, mb will help ypu :-P
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19:17:45  <Noldo> hmm "In the cloud since 1985", how would you interpret that?
19:21:48  <planetmaker> "desperately craving for attention"
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19:25:28  <Noldo> why?
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19:28:51  <planetmaker> :S fantastic. Set 'fullscreen' in preferences of dosbox, try to start. Watch reboot. grrrrr
19:29:21  <dihedral> Noldo,
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19:31:13  <Noldo> dihedral: :D
19:32:51  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: how badly can you screw up dosbox?
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19:33:59  <SmatZ> planetmaker: dosbox killed your mac?
19:34:30  <planetmaker> yes
19:34:48  <planetmaker> instant reboot
19:34:59  <dihedral> nice :-P
19:35:16  <SmatZ> mac is becoming windows-ish
19:35:21  <planetmaker> :-D
19:35:30  <SmatZ> (jk, I had few crashes on linux too :)
19:35:43  <Eddi|zuHause> it's not... it would try to maintain backwards compatibility then...
19:36:05  <SmatZ> :)
19:36:25  <planetmaker> there's quite a difference IMHO between a crash and a severe interference with the host
19:36:50  <planetmaker> especially as it hasn't root priviliges
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19:38:56  <andythenorth> Hirundo: ship patch works for me
19:39:11  <Hirundo> ok, good
19:39:54  <andythenorth> I haven't extended FISH to support it though :o
19:40:00  <andythenorth> I just tested with what there is
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19:44:41  <Muxy> Seen on #goulp: [21:43] <Fugas> IMPORTANT INFO: get your openttd 1.0.4 ready, next games will start on new version
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19:45:43  <andythenorth> hmm
19:46:02  <andythenorth> Hirundo: I can't test with FISH
19:46:20  <andythenorth> I can't seem to suppress the renum warnings about 1C being an invalid property
19:46:28  <andythenorth> which means the makefile bails out
19:46:55  <andythenorth> :o
19:47:12  <Eddi|zuHause> you can set it to ignore warnings
19:47:26  <SmatZ> -i
19:47:33  <SmatZ> (I think)
19:47:42  <frosch123> make -ik
19:47:49  <dihedral> -i #think ? :-P
19:47:54  <SmatZ> :p
19:47:58  <andythenorth> wn
19:47:59  <andythenorth> win
19:48:13  <SmatZ> think different! :)
19:48:28  <Eddi|zuHause> i just read "alpina"
19:48:43  <SmatZ> :)
19:48:56  <Eddi|zuHause> and thought "why the hell would you post a website about white colour?"
19:49:04  <SmatZ> hehe
19:49:13  <planetmaker> :-D
19:49:18  <SmatZ> the picture is mostly white ;)
19:49:38  <dihedral> SmatZ, lol? :-P
19:49:43  <SmatZ> :)
19:49:46  <andythenorth> my uptime is 15 days
19:49:54  <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: mac people don'
19:49:56  <SmatZ> it looks really trustworthy
19:50:01  <Eddi|zuHause> t read mail really fast anymore?
19:50:05  <dihedral> my laptop's uptime used to usually hit 30 - 40 days
19:50:16  <dihedral> until i sudo rm -rf /'ed it
19:50:19  <dihedral> ^^
19:50:22  <SpComb> my laptop's uptime is 138 days!
19:50:23  <SmatZ> :P
19:50:23  <andythenorth> should I type rm -rf /*?
19:50:27  <SpComb> although that includes standby periods
19:50:33  <Terkhen> rm -rf /*
19:50:43  <SpComb> or includes, or whatever, but a little iffy if you can count them as uptime
19:50:46  <SmatZ> andythenorth: you need to make yourself root first - it will make your MAC faster
19:51:03  <andythenorth> what does root have to do with the address on my NIC?
19:51:31  <SmatZ> or Mac or whatever is that spelled :)
19:51:38  <andythenorth> rm -rf /* is nearly a 10 year old joke on mac users
19:51:49  <SmatZ> :p
19:51:49  <andythenorth> it just never got a poster before :P
19:51:57  <planetmaker> :-P
19:52:04  <andythenorth> there is at least one video on YT of someone doing it
19:52:15  <Muxy> dihedral: Luukland server 1 is online :
19:52:30  <SmatZ> andythenorth: try this:  :(){ :|:& };:
19:52:55  * andythenorth does not paste random commands into terminal without some idea of what they actually do :P
19:52:59  <SmatZ> :)
19:53:04  <Eddi|zuHause> i think it misses an & at the end
19:53:05  <Noldo> that one is evil
19:53:17  <planetmaker> looks like a fork bomb
19:53:17  <andythenorth> Hirundo: ship patch works with prop 1C for FISH
19:53:18  <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: I think it's not needed
19:53:20  <SmatZ> planetmaker: ;)
19:53:29  <dihedral> SmatZ, baaaad!
19:53:32  <SmatZ> :)
19:53:35  <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: you can ^C or ^Z it this way
19:53:36  <dihedral> sit!
19:53:41  <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: true
19:53:47  <SmatZ> you have to be quick enough though
19:53:56  * SmatZ sits in a corner
19:54:03  * planetmaker gives cookie
19:54:07  <Noldo> : could be replaces with something else propably
19:54:07  * SmatZ nomnoms
19:54:10  <Hirundo> andythenorth: I will add it to FS
19:54:11  <planetmaker> hm... beer?
19:54:13  <andythenorth> nice
19:54:17  <andythenorth> it is time for beer
19:54:18  * SmatZ nomnoms beer too
19:54:24  <planetmaker> :-D
19:54:25  <Eddi|zuHause> Noldo: the point is that it looks like a smilie
19:54:41  <dihedral> * SmatZ nomnoms <- LOL?
19:54:42  <SmatZ> smiley bomb :)
19:54:44  <SmatZ> :p
19:54:46  * dihedral pats SmatZ on the head
19:54:52  <SmatZ> :3
19:55:10  <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: that makes sense
19:55:47  <Eddi|zuHause> "for one it is a forkbomb, for others it's the most evil smilie of the world"
19:56:42  <SmatZ> :)
19:56:51  <planetmaker> :-D
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20:13:08  <Eddi|zuHause> # Tell me what you want to hear
20:13:09  <Eddi|zuHause> # Something that will light those ears
20:13:10  <Eddi|zuHause> # Sick of all the insincere
20:13:12  <Eddi|zuHause> # So I'm gonna give all my secrets away
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20:40:25  <Hirundo> andythenorth:
20:41:14  <andythenorth> that's cool
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21:16:15  <Belugas> night all
21:20:36  <Rubidium> night Belugas
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21:48:20  <KeithM> hi people
21:48:28  <Chris_Booth> hi KeithM
21:48:45  <KeithM> anything going on here?
21:49:24  <Chris_Booth> a lot of silence
21:49:52  <KeithM> hehe
21:50:31  <KeithM> was just wondering if anyone here had any experience with cargodist + "sprinkles"
21:50:50  <KeithM> I installed cargodist a long time ago, and love it!
21:51:29  <Chris_Booth> well you want someone to make you cargodist + sprinkles?
21:51:37  <Chris_Booth> or advise on how to make it?
21:51:43  <KeithM> I might be able to do it myself actually
21:51:50  <KeithM> but is the sprinkles any good?
21:51:55  <KeithM> (are)
21:52:12  <Chris_Booth> never used sprinkles
21:52:20  <Chris_Booth> check it as tt-forums
21:52:33  <KeithM> daylength seems fun
21:52:47  <KeithM> it might be fun to play the game in a more static worl
21:52:48  <KeithM> d
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21:53:59  <Chris_Booth> well i am sure that you will be a first to compile cargodist + sprinkles
21:54:12  <Chris_Booth> you will have to tell how you get on
21:54:29  <KeithM> I thought sprinkles was intended to work with cargodist
21:54:45  <KeithM> but I remember from the first time installing cargodist it wasn;'t easy
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22:00:02  <SpComb> someone's been too lazy to update it
22:00:08  <SpComb> tsk tsk
22:00:17  <KeithM> what?
22:00:42  <SpComb> sprinkles, it's a little stale
22:00:57  <KeithM> oh
22:01:07  <KeithM> it's a combination of a couple of other patches, right?
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22:11:35  <KeithM> is the drastic change to the timetabling due to the patch or due to a newer trunk?
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22:25:08  <Nite> Hi
22:25:56  <Nite> is there a way to "stop time" in ottd - to stay in a year - mostly for (large) singelplayer maps
22:26:00  <Nite> ?
22:26:10  <luckz> SpComb: how would one go about compiling your sprinkle party, ie what compiler(s) work?
22:27:13  <Rubidium> Nite: yes, as long at it's the year 5 000 000 :)
22:27:40  <Rubidium> (or 2090 in a pretty old OpenTTD)
22:27:53  <Nite> oh i rather wanted to stop in 1960's
22:29:22  <Chris_Booth> Nite: you can sheat
22:29:30  <Chris_Booth> cheat and turn the year back
22:30:21  <Nite> ah i just saw that - very nice !
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22:38:50  <SpComb> luckz: standard OpenTTD procedure
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23:05:40  <Ammler> what is the advantage of building openttd.grf self, if it is still in the source?
23:05:50  <Eddi|zuHause> none.
23:06:12  <Eddi|zuHause> but some distributions insist on having everything built from source
23:09:12  <Rubidium> Ammler: maybe those patch packs start stopping requiring a number of grfs to exist somewhere? But instead include them in openttd.grf
23:09:16  <Ammler> but shouldn't the grf be removed and maybe supplied by a special downlaod "with grfs"
23:09:51  <Rubidium> also it's rather the other way around, what is the advantage of keeping openttd.grf: well, it's not adding a more of less unneeded dependency without adding much cost
23:10:06  <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: why make it needlessly more complicated for 99.9% of all people?
23:10:55  <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: this is for selber compiler only, currently it is rather confusing then easy
23:11:07  <Ammler> self* :-)
23:14:26  <Rubidium> how is it confusing? 99.9% uses MSVC anyways ;)
23:15:44  <Ammler> does it compare the files?
23:18:42  <Rubidium> nope
23:23:39  <Ammler> so for distro building, it is better to use without grf tools, if there is no such strict source rule
23:24:36  <Rubidium> it shouldn't matter
23:25:12  <Ammler> something for 1.1 :-)
23:25:47  <Rubidium> openttd's grf doesn't use cropping or anything fancy that grfcodec wouldn't understand
23:26:20  <Rubidium> in case it fails it simply means that you're shipping a broken grfcodec
23:26:46  <Markk> Could you say "...and I am hoping to hear from you"?
23:26:55  <Rubidium> IIRC Debian's package building checks whether the files after build + cleaning are the same as before the build
23:30:20  <Ammler> hmm, a reason to reintroduce the grf tools packages :-)
23:30:40  <Rubidium> don't you need it for opengfx as well?
23:30:52  <Ammler> no, we use the zips
23:31:25  <Ammler> well, the suse guy made it that way
23:31:32  <Ammler> I just fixed/updated
23:32:09  <Ammler> with currently ogfx it is an advantage, it wouldn't build anyway
23:33:09  <Belugas> [18:27] <Nite> oh i rather wanted to stop in 1960's   <--- i would have rather chosen the 80s, or even the 70s...  man...those were THE years!!
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23:35:46  <Ammler> hmm, the zip names differ on your mirror :-(
23:37:09  <Rubidium> Ammler: huh?
23:37:36  <Ammler> -
23:37:48  <Rubidium> oh yes
23:37:58  <Ammler> is that the only difference?
23:38:04  <Rubidium> that's to give them a "fancy" name
23:38:55  <Rubidium> no, we're also hosting sha1 and sha256 checksums
23:42:39  <Ammler> well, that is a serious issue imo, if you have a spec or whatever, you mostly depend on the names like %{name}-%{version}.zip or whatever
23:43:45  <Rubidium> huh?
23:43:49  <Rubidium> that's just bollocks
23:44:15  <Rubidium> how can you both the binary and source package have the same name?
23:44:45  <Rubidium> .zip can be anything, also
23:44:58  <Rubidium> it shouldn't matter at all for the spec
23:45:08  <Rubidium> or it's even more stupid than I expect it to be
23:45:59  <Ammler> Rubidium: it should be the same on and, I didn't say, it is wrong
23:46:04  <Rubidium> or is it a problem that now you can't use both your "mirror" and our "mirrors"?
23:46:34  <Ammler> I guess, it can also be changed on the DevZone
23:46:49  <Rubidium> if you want/like it to show up on the page -something.extension is (sadly enough) needed for OpenTTD's website
23:47:31  <Wolf01> 'night
23:47:37  * Rubidium buries Wolf01
23:47:42  <Ammler> I setup the spec with the names from devzone, but now, I liked to download the basesets from as I get there the source.
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23:51:32  <Ammler> the source has another name btw. opengfx-0.3.0-source.tar.gz
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23:52:41  <Rubidium> so desu ka?
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