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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 07:57:14 <dafkis> morning 07:59:42 *** GecK [Geck@pro75-3-82-229-184-63.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 07:59:50 <GecK> morning 08:07:35 *** dafkis is now known as davis 08:19:18 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D5E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:19:25 <fjb> Moin 08:19:32 <davis> moin 08:19:44 <Rubidium> moi 08:24:46 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:25:42 <planetmaker> moin 08:30:39 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:42:56 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:00:03 *** davis [~b@p5B28B54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:06:10 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:14:54 *** TheUros [~chatzilla@BSN-77-150-182.static.dsl.siol.net] has joined #openttd 09:22:09 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.44.167] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:27:52 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:30:48 <__ln__> iltapÀivÀÀ 09:33:51 * dihedral hands Rubidium an 'n' :-P 09:34:05 <dihedral> __ln__, English please! 09:35:14 <Rubidium> dihedral: why would I need an 'n'? 09:35:47 <dihedral> to make your moi a moin 09:35:56 <dihedral> it simply looks naked without 09:39:44 <Rubidium> why would I write German when I can write Frisian, Gronings, Swedish and Finnish with less effort? 09:40:10 <dihedral> it looks nicer :-P 09:54:55 <tokai> Isn't "moi" a French word? :) 09:55:40 <Ammler> noi 09:56:28 <Terkhen> oui 10:00:12 <SpComb> neuf 10:09:00 <dihedral> SmatZ, http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=903708#p903708 <-D 10:09:04 <dihedral> LOVE that answer 10:10:29 <SpComb> pft, did escher do isometric art? 10:11:57 <Eddi|zuHause> escher did lots of art... 10:12:18 <dihedral> and had not real z factor in the things he drew :-P 10:12:57 <Eddi|zuHause> it's cool how they put that in inception ;) 10:14:32 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e5dd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:15:48 <Eddi|zuHause> why does "git bisect skip" not go binary, but the next revision? 10:21:05 <SmatZ> :) 10:22:48 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 10:30:36 *** fjb is now known as Guest526 10:30:37 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B616.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:33:50 *** welshdragon [~dragon@millsie.net] has joined #openttd 10:35:49 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 10:38:06 *** Guest526 [~frank@p5485D5E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:38:56 *** Klanticus [~quassel@200-161-120-132.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 10:42:25 *** davis [~b@p5B28B54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:53:43 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.115.196] has joined #openttd 11:01:20 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:13:40 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:21:24 *** rTypo [rTypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 11:45:32 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:47:03 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 12:11:02 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-53-96.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:14:02 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host245-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:14:54 <Wolf01> hello 12:20:58 <davis> hi 12:27:39 <Wolf01> lolz, found my lost cd of outpost 2 12:29:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i feel with you :p 12:36:33 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 12:39:03 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7c50:786b:8a44:1163] has joined #openttd 12:39:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:44:52 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.5.146] has joined #openttd 12:48:44 *** davis [~b@p5B28B54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:56:21 *** davis [~b@p5B28B54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:04:38 <Belugas> hello 13:05:13 <davis> hi 13:05:53 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:59 <fjb> Moin Belugas 13:11:06 <Belugas> Plu fjb :) 13:18:58 <TheUros> i want trees like this http://imgbin.org/images/124.png what GRF i need ? 13:19:35 <glx> looks like stolen trees, but I'm not sure 13:20:17 <Terkhen> I'm not sure either, they seem a bit different 13:20:23 <avdg> kinda old release, only 13681 13:21:01 <glx> avdg: that's not the important point in the screenshot :) 13:22:02 <Eddi|zuHause> they might be japanese trees? 13:22:12 <Terkhen> might be 13:22:21 <Eddi|zuHause> at least the terrain might be the japanese set 13:22:21 <Terkhen> I've never tried them 13:22:57 <__ln__> english only: https://lists.internet2.edu/sympa/arc/shibboleth-users/2010-09/msg00304.html 13:25:42 <SmatZ> :D 13:26:06 <SmatZ> perfect :) 13:32:35 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: shaka when the walls fell 13:32:35 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.5.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:33:46 <Eddi|zuHause> "dragon with intercourse to goat-time" <-- i'm not even trying to imagine... 13:34:04 <SmatZ> :) 13:34:43 <SmatZ> "Please apologize for your stupidity." :) 13:36:18 <Terkhen> :D 13:46:49 *** X-2 [~X-2@a83-163-133-37.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:47:14 <Wolf01> Please send your question in Japanese. As amusing as this is, it cannot be semantically decrypted 13:47:17 <Wolf01> LOAL 13:48:56 <X-2> O.o 13:49:06 <davis> [15:18] <TheUros> i want trees like this http://imgbin.org/images/124.png what GRF i need ? 13:49:12 <davis> stolen trees , 99% sure about that 13:49:13 <davis> :D 13:49:18 <TheUros> :) ok thanx 13:49:47 <X-2> Thats a nice train station. 13:50:38 <davis> sure is. 13:51:04 <X-2> Confuses me slightly though :p 13:52:14 *** odayfans [~ofan@124.135.6.29] has joined #openttd 13:52:58 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 13:53:41 <davis> how so? 13:55:55 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:57:41 *** TheUros [~chatzilla@BSN-77-150-182.static.dsl.siol.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.10/20100914125854]] 13:59:26 <odayfans> hi all,my openttd can't start.when i run openttd it gives this error msg: http://code.bulix.org/59rx26-77562?raw 14:01:04 <odayfans> i've googled for a few hours and nothing helpful was found. 14:01:16 <SmatZ> odayfans: hello, does any other SDL application work? 14:01:17 <SpComb> how bizarre, they've started selling Mezzo Mix in Finland 14:02:15 <odayfans> SmatZ: i don't know,perhaps they worked,how can i test sdl? 14:03:55 <SmatZ> odayfans: the only application that uses SDL I can think of is DOSBox 14:04:10 <SmatZ> you can try installing and running it 14:04:25 <SmatZ> but anyway, the problem is most likely not in OpenTTD 14:04:33 <SmatZ> but something is wrong in your system :/ 14:04:54 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:06:15 <odayfans> SmatZ: yes,i guess it was X's problem or sdl,i updated my X from ppa:xorg-edgers,im using ubuntu. 14:14:14 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:14:22 <odayfans> SmatZ: hi,i checked dosbox and it doesn't work either.thanks for your help. 14:15:10 <Rubidium> smells like an X-ABI mismatch 14:15:23 <Rubidium> i.e. SDL compiled for the wrong version of X 14:16:56 <odayfans> Rubidium: very helpful,thx! 14:29:12 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-166-38.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:31:16 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-43-161.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:31:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:31:24 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37:26 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:44:05 *** dvs_ [~b@p5B28B54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:44:47 *** davis [~b@p5B28B54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47:26 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 14:48:08 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:52:22 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:54:37 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:56:52 *** rTypo [rTypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has quit [] 14:59:02 *** rTypo [rTypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 15:01:27 *** dvs_ is now known as davis 15:04:17 *** odayfans [~ofan@124.135.6.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:44 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:07 *** robotx [~robotx@141-70-75-133.user.wh-stuttgart.de] has joined #openttd 15:17:26 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:17:50 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:19:43 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC51BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:25:23 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC51BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 15:27:49 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC51BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:30:54 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35:47 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:39:36 *** Yexo__ is now known as Yexo 15:41:36 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f662a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:46:43 *** X-2 [~X-2@a83-163-133-37.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:23 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:01:20 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 16:07:00 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15:22 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:15:37 *** einKarl [~einKarl@77-23-166-116-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 16:16:12 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 16:16:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 16:17:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A197D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:04 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:58 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:24:51 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:24:56 *** qwd [~x@h150n3-vrr-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:25:33 *** fanioz [~fanioz@180.214.232.13] has joined #openttd 16:26:03 <qwd> Hi, I'm having trouble getting music on openttd on Debian Squeeze AMD64. I've moved the .gm files to the correct folder, installed timidity and selected the music in the game settings, but still not music, only sound effects. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? 16:27:29 <Rubidium> do they play when you start them manually with timidity? 16:27:49 <Rubidium> i.e. timidity <filename> in the console 16:28:35 <qwd> Rubidium: yeah 16:29:35 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e049be3.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:29:43 <Rubidium> in OpenTTD, in the game options window: is the original music set selected? 16:30:10 <Eddi|zuHause> and in the jukebox, is the music started and the volume not 0? 16:30:44 <Rubidium> in OpenTTD, in the game in the jukebox (main toolbar music notes), is the song playing, i.e. does pressing the play button have any effect? 16:31:54 * Rubidium is off figuring out what to eat for dinner 16:31:58 <qwd> Rubidium: Yes, original music is selected. I don't understand where the jukebox is though. 16:32:37 <Eddi|zuHause> qwd: next to the newspaper icon in the toolbar 16:32:52 <Eddi|zuHause> qwd: must have started/loaded a game first 16:33:41 <qwd> Eddi|zuHause: Ah there it works. I thought the music would start right away when I open the game 16:34:04 <qwd> Rubidium: Eddi|zuHause Thanks for your help! 16:34:13 <Eddi|zuHause> qwd: yes, it should do that, but not if it was manually stopped before... 16:45:40 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089077244008.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 16:46:02 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089077244008.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 16:48:27 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:51:12 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@89-178-53-96.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 16:57:50 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-53-96.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:00:41 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:03:38 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04:49 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:10:24 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: brb] 17:13:59 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:15:26 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:20:23 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:24:55 *** robotx [~robotx@141-70-75-133.user.wh-stuttgart.de] has left #openttd [Verlassend] 17:26:33 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:30 *** einKarl [~einKarl@77-23-166-116-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30:04 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A197D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:33:15 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 17:33:35 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:34:10 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:34:37 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:34:59 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:39:35 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:44:34 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.194] has joined #openttd 17:46:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20839 /trunk/src/lang/ (spanish.txt swedish.txt ukrainian.txt): 17:46:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: spanish - 7 changes by Terkhen 17:46:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: swedish - 3 changes by Zuu 17:46:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: ukrainian - 46 changes by Fixer 17:47:53 <planetmaker> how many entries may a cargo translation table have? 17:48:03 *** davis [~b@p5B28B54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:48:44 <Belugas> i know i'll say a blunder... 17:48:45 <planetmaker> or asked differently: what can't I do with entries at indices > 32 17:48:45 <Belugas> 256 17:48:48 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:48:52 <planetmaker> :-) 17:50:23 *** davis [~b@p5B28B54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:51:01 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:51:42 <Hirundo> entries > 32 don't fit in the refit mask, thus you can't set the refitting for them explicitly 17:52:36 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.194] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:52:52 <Hirundo> Unless you want to use canset-esque tricks, that is 17:53:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f662a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:00 <Eddi|zuHause> >32 can only be refitted through cargo classes 17:56:43 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 17:56:53 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:01:18 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:01:42 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:53 <Belugas> see? told you... 18:01:56 <Belugas> never trust me 18:05:07 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:06:35 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:07:13 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:07:34 *** davis [~b@p5B28B54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:47 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:49 *** davis [~b@p5B28B54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:08:35 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:10:21 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:11:33 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:12:15 <planetmaker> ok, but it's no problem to reference the other cargo labels in varaction2? 18:12:56 <Eddi|zuHause> correct. 18:13:40 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:13:43 <planetmaker> good. 32 explicitly mentioned in the refit mask won't happen :-) 18:13:56 <planetmaker> Just a different sprite per cargo is a must :-) 18:15:02 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:03 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15:09 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:16:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.222.227] has joined #openttd 18:16:03 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:27 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:16:44 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:19:30 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:20:45 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:57 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:52 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:22:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.172.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:23:29 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:25:38 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5e08fc24.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 18:30:46 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db81c94.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:31:58 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e049be3.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:58 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 18:32:05 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: byes] 18:32:14 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:33:28 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:47:12 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:05 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:53:23 <Rubidium> qwd: it does, but when playback fails it automatically pauses. Not having timidity the first time means failure to play it and thus its paused 18:54:46 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:55 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.44.167] has joined #openttd 19:01:13 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:11 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:03:59 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 19:07:35 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 19:08:27 <andythenorth> hi hi 19:10:35 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11:17 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:13:50 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe83de00-38.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:15:36 <andythenorth> anyone played minecraft? 19:15:36 <andythenorth> http://www.texyt.com/minecraft+persson+notch+indie+game+success+00127 19:15:41 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:16:15 <andythenorth> looks quite oddly addictive 19:16:23 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:16:24 <andythenorth> some people at work are playing it 19:16:39 * andythenorth wonders if minecraft needs an industry set :P 19:16:44 <andythenorth> or big trucks :P 19:17:21 <__ln__> i tried it for a minute or two but couldn't figure out what i'm supposed to do 19:18:23 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has joined #openttd 19:19:30 <Wolf01> 'night 19:19:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host245-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 19:20:04 *** enr1x [~kiike@230.227.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 19:20:28 <thvdburgt> anybody here familiar with the grfcodec source? 19:21:14 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 19:22:27 *** enr1x [~kiike@230.227.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [] 19:22:27 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:58 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:24:19 <andythenorth> __ln__: I think, from what I saw, that you mostly do...nothing 19:25:14 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i tried it for a bit, but i'm more of a single player, and it's kinda lacking some game progression... 19:26:00 <__ln__> the description from the official site: "Minecraft is a game about placing blocks while running from skeletons. Or something like that.." 19:26:17 <Eddi|zuHause> especially there's no reason to actually _fight_ the monsters. 19:26:32 <andythenorth> "OpenTTD is a game about placing tracks for trains. Or something like that..." 19:26:36 <Eddi|zuHause> it's enough if you dig a hole, put a door on it, and spend the night there... 19:26:54 <andythenorth> can we put monsters into ottd? 19:27:16 <andythenorth> "OpenTTD is a game about placing tracks for trains while running from monsters..." 19:27:21 <andythenorth> fricking trains :P 19:27:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27:31 * andythenorth ponders a new newgrf 19:27:48 <andythenorth> replaces all train tracks with road graphics, and all trains with truck graphics 19:27:48 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:27:57 <Prof_Frink> OpenTTD 2: Zombie Apocalypse 19:28:02 <andythenorth> thereby solving <strike>two</strike> three problems: 19:28:04 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:28:15 <andythenorth> (a) rvs drive through each other 19:28:27 <andythenorth> (b) player can't assemble articulated rvs 19:28:30 <andythenorth> (c) fricking trains :P 19:28:41 <andythenorth> ooh 19:28:44 <andythenorth> (d) traffic lights 19:28:51 <andythenorth> (e) road types 19:28:55 <andythenorth> win win win 19:28:58 <andythenorth> what shall I call it? 19:29:04 <andythenorth> NOFTS 19:29:08 <andythenorth> No Fricking Trains 19:29:19 <Prof_Frink> andythenorth: And losing rvs key advantage in the process. 19:29:31 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: and towns grow on rail tracks? 19:30:38 <andythenorth> well....the old class of roads would remain 19:30:38 <andythenorth> maybe they could be 'pedestrianised' 19:30:38 <andythenorth> and no RVs allowed 19:31:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:31:02 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:32:02 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: about openttd.... 19:32:02 <andythenorth> "i tried it for a bit, but i'm more of a single player, and it's kinda lacking some game progression..." 19:32:02 <andythenorth> :D 19:32:10 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:32:42 <Rubidium> thvdburgt: depends on the question I guess 19:32:56 <andythenorth> from the minecraft author... 19:32:56 <andythenorth> "Free building mode is fine and dandy, but for many people it will ultimately become boring once you've got it figured out. It's like giving yourself infinite funds in a strategy game.. a lack of challenge kills the fun." 19:33:29 * andythenorth beer :) 19:34:08 <andythenorth> "Beer is fine and dandy, but for many people it will ultimately become boring once you've got it figured out. It's like giving yourself infinite funds in a strategy game.. a lack of challenge kills the fun." 19:34:34 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: yay, you figured out "out of context quoting"! :p 19:35:15 <andythenorth> did I? I'm not sure I did :o 19:35:32 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:36:09 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, what i think the game needs is some kind of skill progression. so you need to fight monsters to get more skilled, to craft more useful weapons, to fight stronger monsters, etc. 19:36:31 <thvdburgt> Rubidium, I'm compiling it from source using the hg repo. compilation fails on typesize.h because __BORLANDC__WIN32/GCC32/GCC64 all are not defined. 19:36:35 <Eddi|zuHause> every time i tried to fight a monster, i was dead afterwards 19:36:40 <Eddi|zuHause> even having full armor 19:36:45 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:36:51 <andythenorth> maybe he'll GPL it :) 19:36:52 *** enr1x [~kiike@230.227.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 19:36:55 <andythenorth> then we could mod it :) 19:36:56 <Rubidium> thvdburgt: what revision? 19:37:00 <andythenorth> and put trains in :P 19:37:22 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: there are trains in the game ;) 19:37:34 <andythenorth> mine cart - coasters 19:37:38 <andythenorth> it looks pretty 19:37:44 <andythenorth> a bit like temperate climate 19:37:44 <Eddi|zuHause> 5 iron gives you a wagon, a wagon and a furnace gives you an engine. 19:37:49 <Rubidium> thvdburgt: as there were some revision whether that's broken; the last revision should work though 19:37:49 <thvdburgt> Rubidium, r769 19:37:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i never got that far, though 19:38:10 <Eddi|zuHause> afaik, you can also build switches with a lever... 19:38:25 <Rubidium> thvdburgt: have you modified Makefile.local? 19:38:38 <Eddi|zuHause> you need an awful lot of iron for tracks... 19:38:56 <thvdburgt> Rubidium, no I didn't should I? 19:38:58 <Rubidium> thvdburgt: you're using the makefile, right? 19:39:16 <thvdburgt> Rubidium, yes 19:39:23 <Rubidium> thvdburgt: if it's not edited, please remove it 19:39:28 <Rubidium> and try again 19:40:01 <thvdburgt> I only have Makefile.local.sample 19:40:10 <Rubidium> very odd 19:41:24 <Rubidium> could you make clean and compile with "make V=1" and post that output to some pastebin? 19:41:26 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:41:51 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:42:13 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.44.167] has left #openttd [] 19:42:16 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:23 *** uros [~chatzilla@BSN-77-156-227.dsl.siol.net] has joined #openttd 19:43:00 <fonsinchen> so, smallmap-zoom-in ... 19:43:36 <uros> hey i have two waypoints and multiple stations in between .. i ordered a train to go from point A to point B and central station .. all works fien but i constantly get the message that the train has to few order in the schedule . how i can turn off that message ? 19:43:50 <fonsinchen> some people have expressed interest in smallmap zoom in because they can't properly see things in the smallmap due to their monitors having a very high resolution. 19:44:13 <Rubidium> uros: there's some advanced setting about order reviews 19:44:25 <fonsinchen> So, in fact there is a reason to have smallmap-zoom-in, apart from cargodist. 19:44:57 <fonsinchen> As I know the "-8" zoom level was ridiculous, I have just dropped it now. 19:45:40 <fonsinchen> Does that make the zoom-in patch acceptable for trunk? You can find the latest version here: http://github.com/fonsinchen/openttd-cargodist/raw/patches/current/smallmap-zoom-in.diff 19:46:20 <fonsinchen> oh, actually that's not the latest one ... wait a minute 19:46:51 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:19 <thvdburgt> Rubidium, the problem was libboost-dev, not having it installed gives folowing error: http://codepad.org/BMSw55Y7 19:47:27 <fonsinchen> now it is. 19:47:58 <Rubidium> thvdburgt: that's not "make V=1" output 19:48:01 <thvdburgt> Rubidium, output of make V=1 if still necessary http://codepad.org/mQqfmY9P 19:48:27 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:49:28 <thvdburgt> Rubidium, sorry, this is make V=1 after a make clean http://codepad.org/RQa9JAhj 19:49:39 <Rubidium> oh... interesting way to show boost's missing 19:51:00 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:51:38 <thvdburgt> I found out libboost was missing after manually setting GCC64=1, only then gave it the libboost is missing message 19:52:02 <Rubidium> thvdburgt: it fail differently/better now :) 19:52:02 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:52:43 <thvdburgt> yay :) 19:54:59 <George> House construction check (17) 19:54:59 <George> Since the building is not created yet, you can't use variables 40 and 41 (they return zero). You can use variable 42, 43, 44, 45 and all town variables, though. Since OpenTTD r19744 you can also access the random bits via RandomAction2 or variable 5F. 19:54:59 <George> What byte of var 5F stores random bits - byto 0 or byte 1? 19:56:48 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:57:12 *** fanioz [~fanioz@180.214.232.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:58:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.160.247] has joined #openttd 19:58:48 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59:38 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:03:35 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:15 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:04:40 <Belugas> dear dear dear Sirkoz... http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=50079 20:05:01 <Terkhen> :) 20:05:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.222.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:28 <SmatZ> :D 20:06:26 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:26 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:32 <Hirundo> George: byte 0 = triggers, byte 1 and further = random bits? 20:06:53 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:10:41 <planetmaker> closed and sealed, Belugas :-) 20:10:44 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: personally I have no need for it, and I'm using a pretty high DPI monitor (15" 1920x1200) 20:11:09 <planetmaker> Rubidium: but you're known for your 2pixel-letters as well :-P 20:11:11 <Rubidium> although I don't really have time to review patches or fix bugs either 20:11:15 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:12:00 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:13:01 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B616.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:31 <fonsinchen> Rubidium: I don't have such a display either, but I can imagine the problem being worse on laptops. I can only quote Zephyris from the cargodist thread to back that up. 20:13:36 <Belugas> Indeed, it is, planetmaker. Can anyone close Sirkoz as well? I mean.. once and for all? 20:13:40 <Belugas> funny clown he is... 20:13:47 <Belugas> welll... funny... 20:13:51 <Belugas> not always... 20:13:54 <Belugas> far from that... 20:16:10 <planetmaker> hehe 20:16:15 <George> Hirundo: unfortunately NFOrenum r768 reports 20:16:15 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:20 <George> //!!Warning (103): Offset 6: Shifting variable 5F past its length. 20:16:20 <George> 2663 * 30 02 07 F0 81 5F 08 0F 05 20:16:20 <planetmaker> but he's on the sunny side of the alps ;-) 20:16:56 <planetmaker> which means 5F is ... a bye? 20:17:07 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:17:18 <George> so that makes me think it should be byte 0 20:17:35 <George> 5F D Feature-specific random data: triggers in low byte, bits in other three bytes. Bits of the variable not associated with random or trigger bits are reserved. (2.5 r1927, 2.6 r1928) 20:17:43 <George> It is D 20:17:55 <George> should be 20:18:11 <Hirundo> but not every bit in that dword is valid for all features 20:18:16 <George> But NFOrenum does not think so 20:18:41 <George> Hirundo: We are speakin about Houses and CB 17 20:19:38 <planetmaker> town buildings have 8 random bits 20:19:38 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:05 <George> that n\means byte 1 should be checked? 20:20:44 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:21:08 <planetmaker> at most 20:21:45 <Belugas> sunny is not the same as funny. could be dummy too... 20:21:51 <Belugas> hooo.. the bitch i can be :) 20:22:07 <Hirundo> Inspection of the source code suggests that the first two bytes (triggers + bits) are valid, although no trigger bits will be set so byte 0 is pointless 20:22:24 <planetmaker> houses have two triggers 20:22:49 <planetmaker> but of course not prior to construction. Or rather the triggers are pointless 20:23:12 <George> planetmaker: While CB17 no house is build 20:23:30 <planetmaker> yes, I know :-) 20:23:40 <planetmaker> That's why periodic processing triggers are pointless 20:23:59 *** fjb [~frank@p5485AEF4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:24:05 <George> so it is a bug with NFO renum? 20:24:13 <planetmaker> I'm still not sure 20:24:29 <planetmaker> I'd assume var 5F returns only the random bits? 20:24:44 <planetmaker> but... well :-) 20:24:46 <George> in what byte? 20:25:13 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:25:44 <planetmaker> in the high byte 20:25:49 <planetmaker> according to the source code 20:25:51 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:26:17 <George> But NFOrenum does not allow me to check byte 1 20:26:40 <planetmaker> newgrf_spritegroup.cpp: case 0x5F: return (object->GetRandomBits(object) << 8) | object->GetTriggers(object); 20:26:45 <planetmaker> might be a bug then :-) 20:27:27 <George> where should it be reported? 20:28:18 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f662a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:28:36 *** uros [~chatzilla@BSN-77-156-227.dsl.siol.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.10/20100915180533]] 20:29:25 <George> frosch123: Hi, where should I make bug report about NFOrenum r768 20:29:48 <frosch123> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nforenum <- there 20:30:50 *** davis [~b@p5B28B54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:10 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 20:31:29 *** Klanticus [~quassel@200-161-120-132.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:32:42 <George> frosch123: done 20:33:01 <George> is the description enough? 20:35:18 <frosch123> yes, easy to fix 20:36:26 <frosch123> hmm, looks like 5f is wrong for almost all features :p 20:37:05 <George> in OTTD or NFOrenum? 20:37:13 <frosch123> nforenum 20:37:39 <frosch123> iirc we changed somewhen the meaning, maybe nforenum was not updated 20:40:23 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e5dd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 20:41:05 <frosch123> Objects have around 8 random bits per tile of the object. <- "around"? :p 20:42:15 <SmatZ> 7.8-8.2 20:42:31 <planetmaker> @calc sqrt(8) 20:42:31 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 2.82842712475 20:42:44 <planetmaker> +/-2.8 I'd say for statistics reasons ;-) 20:50:29 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 20:55:04 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-69-96.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:56:25 <Belugas> i'm OUTTA HERE! 20:56:27 <Belugas> night all 20:56:54 *** enr1x [~kiike@230.227.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:57:57 <planetmaker> night, Belugas 20:59:16 <thvdburgt> planetmaker, you might want to update the hg clone url in the readme of TTRS, the current one gives an HTTP 406 error. 20:59:50 <planetmaker> Thanks for the hint. I'll look 20:59:59 <planetmaker> http://hg.openttdcoop.org/ttrs should work 21:00:39 <thvdburgt> yes, found it already on the repository page :) 21:01:39 <planetmaker> :-) 21:03:28 <Ammler> what is the nonworking url? 21:04:27 <planetmaker> I gave a wrong one for clone: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ttrs 21:05:07 <Ammler> oh well, that I can't rewrtie 21:05:14 <planetmaker> don't bother 21:05:27 <planetmaker> that's the project URL for the browser 21:05:45 <planetmaker> it shouldn't be rewritten to something else, I think 21:06:56 <planetmaker> thvdburgt: fixed 21:07:37 <thvdburgt> planetmaker, great, thanks 21:08:08 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 21:12:35 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Or why do managers always get bonuses? 21:38:38 <GT> well, we can also distinguish greytones, which does not count as a colour. 21:39:05 <Rubidium> fjb: to keep them out of actually harming the customer? 21:39:43 <fjb> Rubidium: They are harming the rest of the world instead. 21:40:08 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-69-96.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:40:12 <Rubidium> the world is insignificant 21:40:26 <GT> why does the blitter do a palette lookup (involving indirection) for every pixel in a sprite? 21:40:26 <fjb> The world is not enough. 21:40:46 <GT> i.e. for 32bpp 21:40:58 <Rubidium> recolours I'd say 21:41:05 <Rubidium> and to support the 8 bits graphics 21:41:21 <GT> there's a remap[m], and then a lookupColourInPalette 21:42:18 <dihedral> \o/ pixel drawing 21:42:45 <GT> Rubidium, sure, but not needed every pixel, filling a 32bpp table once before a sprite gets drawn seems more efficient to me than doing it every pixel 21:43:05 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@97.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:43:25 <GT> or even better, fill a couple of 32bpp tables, and setting the right pointer depending on the palette 21:44:36 <GT> I mean blitters need to be blittingly fast, not doing some indirection or housekeeping 21:45:48 * Rubidium redirects this to SmatZ; he's the one that has worked on optimising the 32bpp blitters 21:46:03 <glx> palette animation (water, flashing lights, ... ) 21:46:08 <GT> @seen SmatZ 21:46:08 <DorpsGek> GT: SmatZ was last seen in #openttd 1 hour, 3 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <SmatZ> 7.8-8.2 21:46:24 <Rubidium> so he should/might have a clue why that high level optimisation might be feasible or not 21:47:03 <GT> it is feasible, I made it, but then got into trouble drawing strings, and rects 21:47:11 <glx> just keep in mind the game is basically 8bpp (with all 8bpp features) 21:47:20 <GT> Not my games 21:47:50 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-69-96.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:49:01 <GT> And to make my day even better, the latest Gentoo emerge decided my KDE does not need a taskbar or desktop anymore, I love blindtyping 21:49:10 <Rubidium> oh, you've replaced palette animation with something 32bpp-ish? 21:49:42 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 21:50:17 <GT> no, replace palette lookup by putting 32bp colours in the spritecache when recolor sprites get loaded, so the blitter does not have to do that. 21:50:47 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:51 <Eddi|zuHause> GT: tried starting "plasma-desktop" manually? 21:50:52 <GT> After which I find out that main_gui copies those colours 21:51:17 <GT> Eddi, no, wait a second 21:52:59 * Rubidium is going to wait a few thousand more seconds 21:53:12 <GT> Eddi, thanks a lot, it does show nasty messages, but my desktop is back at least 21:56:27 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:03:41 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:45 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-69-96.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:09:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.183.181] has joined #openttd 22:12:23 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-69-96.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:13:18 <frosch123> night 22:13:22 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f662a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:24 <fjb> Night fr 22:13:30 <fjb> Grr 22:15:36 *** zodttd is now known as zodttd_ybor 22:16:20 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.160.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:43 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-69-96.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:04 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@97.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.10/20100914125854]] 22:23:16 *** GT [~GT@rt-scb-9f41.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:34:41 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-69-96.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:36:02 <SpComb> more git magic is called for 22:43:28 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-69-96.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:43 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:48:36 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC51BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 23:00:37 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A197D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:25:32 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7c50:786b:8a44:1163] has joined #openttd 23:25:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 23:29:39 <Eddi|zuHause> http://alicebobandmallory.com/articles/2010/09/23/did-little-bobby-tables-migrate-to-sweden 23:32:16 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7c50:786b:8a44:1163] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:04 *** glx_ is now known as glx 23:35:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.180.84] has joined #openttd 23:41:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.183.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:45:39 *** qwd [~x@h150n3-vrr-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 23:46:55 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-53-96.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:49:27 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 23:55:11 *** dvs_ [~b@p5B28B54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:55:35 *** dvs_ is now known as davis_ 23:55:42 *** fjb [~frank@p5485AEF4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:56:10 *** davis [~b@p5B28B54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:56:43 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.115.196] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 23:58:39 *** davis_ is now known as davis 23:59:25 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ad16f54.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 23:59:31 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ad16f54.bb.sky.com] has quit []