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<fanioz> moin :D 07:11:34 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 07:13:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A198CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:18:58 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 07:20:07 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:21:12 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:26:04 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has joined #openttd 07:54:49 *** GecK [Geck@pro75-3-82-229-184-63.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 07:54:52 <GecK> hi 08:04:01 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:04:53 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has quit [Quit: keoz] 08:05:12 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 08:10:35 <dihedral> 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[~quassel@200-161-120-132.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:33 *** davis [~b@p5B28B2EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:38:05 *** SpComb [terom@194.197.235.230] has joined #openttd 10:39:39 <Ammler> Terkhen: do also compare the grf from mingw with the one from bundles 10:39:46 <Ammler> I got other md5sums 10:42:42 <fonsinchen> That 'M' bug on windows builds of cargodist by the compile farm is still there ... :( 10:44:52 <Ammler> ups, wrong channel, well Terkhen knows what I mean :-) 10:46:14 <Ammler> fonsinchen: I setup cleaning for cd to keep 3 releases or 33 days, is that ok? 10:48:17 <fonsinchen> That's OK. Thanks 10:51:11 <fonsinchen> I think I'll just switch off the modification detection for all of my git branches. I'm getting sick of that 'M' problem. I can't reproduce it, the compile farm probably does some strange magic there. 10:51:41 <Ammler> you don't have that "M" if you compile locally? 10:51:52 <Rubidium> I can't reproduce it with a clone of the compile farm's VM either 10:52:33 <Rubidium> though I reckon it's something relatively stupid 10:53:35 <fonsinchen> I don't have it if I compile in my windows VM, at least I never had it before. I'm just double checking ... 10:53:38 *** rTypo [rTypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 10:55:33 <fonsinchen> What options does the compile farm pass to configure? 10:56:56 <fonsinchen> Or does it actually build with mingw? Probably not ... there's a .pdb after all. 10:57:47 <fonsinchen> OK, then I know why I can't reproduce it ... 10:59:07 <Rubidium> try tar-ing the repository and then extracting it 11:01:41 *** SpComb [terom@194.197.235.230] has quit [Quit: ...] 11:02:02 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 11:02:45 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 11:02:59 <fonsinchen> you probably have some script invoking the Microsoft compiler which I don't have ... that script could be doing anything. 11:03:24 <fonsinchen> or maybe I'm blind and the script is somewhere in the sources. 11:03:44 <Rubidium> reproduction... 11:03:44 <Rubidium> fresh git clone, tar it, untar it, presto 11:04:34 <blathijs> 0/win 20 11:04:38 <blathijs> argh 11:05:27 <fonsinchen> OK, I'm trying that ... 11:05:54 <Rubidium> hmm, it's quite tricky and not exactly as I said it seems 11:06:24 <Rubidium> git clone on Linux, run ./findversion.sh, tar, copy to Window VM, untar, <problem> 11:06:53 <Rubidium> Linux uses git 1.5.6.5, Windows uses git 1.5.6.1 11:07:51 <fonsinchen> aha, that's an interesting thing you're doing there ... 11:08:04 <Rubidium> yeah, VMs don't have internet connectivity 11:09:14 <fonsinchen> so, findversion.sh must have some strange side effects ... 11:10:32 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC457C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:10:35 *** elmz_ [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 11:12:28 <Rubidium> findversion.sh doesn't matter it seems 11:13:25 * Rubidium hopes github doesn't mind doing dozens of partial clones 11:13:56 <fonsinchen> if you run git diff on the untar'd copy you'll see that a whole bunch of file permissions have changed ... 11:14:23 <fonsinchen> specifically from 100755 to 100644 11:14:24 <Rubidium> in any case, after a clone without findversion both openttd directories *excluding* the .git directory are the same; the difference is purely in the .git directory 11:15:35 <fonsinchen> git diff in the untared copy on windows says that all those shell scripts have changed their permissions 11:16:01 <fonsinchen> and especially src/ai/api/squirrel_export.sh is relevant as that is in src/ 11:17:32 <fonsinchen> I guess that's the problem. Obviously tar on windows doesn't preserve the 'x' bit of file permissions. 11:17:43 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:19:23 <fonsinchen> Or maybe there is no 'x' bit on windows ... at least I cannot set or unset it with chmod. 11:19:32 <Rubidium> but in mingw/bash I don't see a difference 11:19:51 <fonsinchen> try chmod 644 <some file> 11:20:01 <fonsinchen> it won't take effect, you'll still see 755 11:20:46 <fonsinchen> probably the bash on windows just labels everything as 'x', while git labels everything as 'not x' 11:21:17 <Rubidium> http://pastebin.com/deNyhA48 <- why do those files have the same bits then? 11:22:43 <fonsinchen> bash sees different permissions than git 11:22:57 <Rubidium> oh lol... 11:22:59 <fonsinchen> try "git status" and "git diff" in the untared copy 11:23:18 <fonsinchen> and chmod doesn't do anything on windows it seems 11:24:02 <fonsinchen> anyway, why do we have a shell script in the src/ folder? 11:24:03 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-69-96.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:24:40 <Rubidium> doesn't matter... the whole repository is now taken for the version 11:25:41 <michi_cc> Try "git config --global core.fileMode false" on the windows side, this should make git ignore the execute file mode. 11:26:33 <Rubidium> doesn't help 11:27:33 <Rubidium> any way to "revert" the changes in the working copy? 11:27:49 <michi_cc> Is that cygwin git or msys git? I only know that the option helps for cygwin. 11:27:56 <michi_cc> git reset --hard HEAD 11:28:24 <michi_cc> makes the working dir match whatever HEAD is currently pointing to 11:28:37 <Rubidium> it's still whining about the file modes, though the LF vs CRLF issue's gone 11:29:08 <fonsinchen> git reset --hard doesn't work either. Obviously it cannot set the permissions. 11:29:17 <fonsinchen> just as chmod cannot set them. 11:30:10 <Rubidium> just need to do that git config on the checked out repository 11:30:51 <michi_cc> --global should add the option to the global config file valid for all repositories 11:31:11 <Rubidium> yeah, but... that doesn't override the per-repository setting 11:31:38 <michi_cc> Ah, yes, that's true if the repo config also includes it. 11:32:58 <michi_cc> The clone is done on linux, right? So git probably sets the option to true because linux is known for working file modes :) 11:32:59 <Rubidium> lets see whether that works (with a full compile run... yay) 11:33:00 <fonsinchen> git commit -a --amend also helps, but changes the version ... stupid me 11:37:20 <fonsinchen> well, if you do "git config core.fileMode false" without "global" on windows just after unpacking, it also helps. 11:37:43 *** anythingffs [~Miranda@5ad96f92.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:38:04 <Rubidium> yeah, the CF is running with that to actually test whether that works on the real CF as well 11:39:20 <anythingffs> guys, I've just loaded the UK v2 scenario but the overview map doesnt work for the industry tab, is there an easy way fix that? 11:41:11 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:44:39 <Rubidium> failing in what way? 11:44:45 <Rubidium> or not working 11:45:14 <Rubidium> as far as I can see v3 has very little industries, which would imply the overview map doesn't show many either 11:46:14 <anythingffs> lol 11:46:22 <anythingffs> aye sorry 11:46:54 <anythingffs> there are no industries 11:47:06 <anythingffs> can I add some with the Scenario Editor? 11:47:07 <dihedral> ... 11:47:12 <dihedral> yarp 11:47:23 <anythingffs> cool, thanks 11:48:20 <dihedral> those mistakes are funny - they are the head to desk type of errors :_D 11:50:44 <anythingffs> lol, deffers 11:55:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.167.69] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:57:22 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:57:52 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 12:05:06 <planetmaker> layer 8 is the default layer to fail 12:05:40 <dihedral> hehe 12:09:14 <robotboy> hello 12:09:20 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: do the new windows binaries work correctly? (i.e. without the M) 12:11:24 <planetmaker> hello robotboy 12:13:09 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d82233a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:13:16 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d82233a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:13:44 <fonsinchen> Rubidium: Yes, it looks good. Thanks. 12:14:21 <Rubidium> good 12:15:54 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab311.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20:55 <anythingffs> new error for me, 'this is a town owned road', how do i turn that off? 12:21:04 <robotboy> does anyone here use road vehicles for long distance haul in here? 12:21:35 <dihedral> anythingffs, have a look in the settings 12:21:42 <dihedral> if that fails, have a look at wiki.openttd.org 12:21:44 <planetmaker> rarely, robotboy 12:21:47 <dihedral> if that fails, have a look in the forums 12:21:53 <dihedral> if that fails, ask you question again ;-) 12:21:56 <planetmaker> But it can be fun. Sometimes we play a RV only game 12:22:18 <planetmaker> But many AIs build busses for long-distance 12:22:22 <robotboy> I once was the top player on Brianettas server RV only 12:22:31 <planetmaker> :-) 12:23:18 <robotboy> I am wondering how many lines of fake text I should include in my Aussie Road Signs I am planning to draw for a set I am planning 12:24:08 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/PublicServer:Archive_-_Games_171_-_180#gameid_171 <-- our last such game 12:24:18 <planetmaker> hm :-) 12:24:29 <planetmaker> Two lines maybe 12:26:38 <robotboy> I shall start at two and if people want more I can add more 12:26:59 <robotboy> now to learn how to draw fake text at TTD scale 12:27:24 <planetmaker> hehe 12:27:39 <planetmaker> I guess it will come down to single pixels 12:35:10 <dihedral> "and this pixel stands for 'The New quadruple Whopper'" 12:53:01 <robotboy> can you see people wanting to have ledgeable route numbers on their eye-candy signs? 12:53:28 * planetmaker looks up the meaning of "ledgeable" 12:53:46 <robotboy> I hope I spelt it right 12:54:04 <planetmaker> my dictionaries don't know it 12:54:27 <robotboy> ledgible 12:54:36 <robotboy> is how it should be spelt 12:54:55 <planetmaker> legible? 12:54:55 <Rubidium> legible? 12:55:22 <robotboy> ah yep 12:55:23 <Rubidium> 1 : capable of being read or deciphered : plain <legible handwriting> 12:55:24 <planetmaker> In that case: no, they don't 12:56:03 <robotboy> so I shall just provide 4 or 5 types of route marker 12:57:00 <planetmaker> would do IMHO. After all: how would you know the town names? 12:57:19 <planetmaker> So being not legible is rather an advantage - besides being an impossibility ;-) 13:01:15 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-80-90.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:02:54 <robotboy> but for route number say providing 10 of each kind of sheild might be useful 13:03:11 <robotboy> as we have 4 types of sheild with a number in it 13:03:43 <robotboy> that number dosn't need to be related to the towns on the route 13:03:44 <planetmaker> ah... you mean the route numbers? well... 13:04:43 <Belugas> hello 13:04:48 <robotboy> yeah 13:04:57 <planetmaker> hi Belugas 13:05:19 <robotboy> but then theres the issue of how many numbers to provide 13:05:39 <planetmaker> robotboy, though we don't have here big road signs which tell the number (only in the normal font size), it might make sense to make those tiny numbers distinguishable 13:06:07 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:06:10 <planetmaker> Might not be realistic for central Europe - but realism doesn't necessarily mean 'best' in a gaming context :-) 13:06:14 <Belugas> hi sir planetmaker :) 13:06:23 <Belugas> right you are about that... 13:09:42 * robotboy gives drawing a rest as sheild shapes are hard to draw 13:10:46 <Belugas> note to robotboy: not all road numbers are placed in shield shape plates ;) 13:11:14 <robotboy> but in Australia 90 percent are 13:11:24 <robotboy> if not 95 percent 13:11:42 <anythingffs> does being closer to an industry get more stuff? or is one square catchment enough? 13:12:00 <planetmaker> it's enough, anythingffs 13:12:09 <anythingffs> cool, thanks 13:12:41 <planetmaker> if the station tells you to accept something it does accept it. And if it tells it provides, it provides it. From the whole industries where it gets that information from 13:12:51 <robotboy> the country is in a transient state. Most signs have sheilds on them but a small number of new signs excluding Tasmanian signs have European Alhpanumeric numbers 13:13:16 <planetmaker> Not that you might nevertheless need to cover a certain tile, anythingffs - not every industry tiles provides all cargos. So check before building the station 13:13:35 <robotboy> as the Tasmanians were the first to use European signs in this country and they have been using that system for about 30 years 13:14:20 <planetmaker> they also have the most European-similar climate :-P 13:17:16 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 13:19:25 <robotboy> oh and thanx pm for the suggestion of me becomming a general Moderator 13:19:50 <planetmaker> no worries. It just makes sense from my POV 13:20:24 <planetmaker> and you're nice enough to not flame people ;-) 13:20:27 <robotboy> I don't dare specificaly state I would like the position as that is frowned appon 13:20:49 <robotboy> I think I am the most mature aussie in TT-F years 13:21:13 <planetmaker> exactly 13:21:19 <robotboy> that is currently active 13:21:33 <Ammler> robotboy: always remembers me on !autoslope sign on coop games :-) 13:21:34 <planetmaker> and that's why I proposed you become one ;-) 13:22:00 <robotboy> hehe 13:22:16 <planetmaker> Hu, Ammler ? 13:22:21 <Ammler> psg#9 :-) 13:22:25 <planetmaker> :-O 13:23:26 <planetmaker> that's quite some time ago... 13:23:52 <Ammler> I don't know anymore, if he played or just "signed" :-P 13:24:17 <planetmaker> :-P 13:24:32 <planetmaker> that's about 62 games before I started playing 13:25:52 <robotboy> that would be before I had my own laptop and was using my Mum's sluggish one 13:27:02 <Belugas> i was just saying... like... you are not forced to only use THAT shape :) 13:28:33 <Belugas> in fact, you should do what is easier for you 13:29:43 * robotboy understands 13:31:00 <planetmaker> here road numbers are usually only like... dunno. As big as the capital letters of direction signs. 13:38:51 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-69-96.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:39:39 <avdg> noobquestion: how do you know where a function is used? 13:40:49 <Belugas> by searching in code source for its name 13:41:04 <Belugas> it's either a declaration/definition or a use of it 13:42:20 <Belugas> robotboy, here, road numbers are written white on green squared /rectangular plates 13:42:41 <planetmaker> avdg: grep -Ri "functionname" src/* 13:42:50 <avdg> ty 13:42:53 <avdg> that should help 13:44:29 <robotboy> our new style numbers are yellow on green and in NSW with a white rounded rectangle around them 13:44:50 <planetmaker> yellow on green? urgs 13:45:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r20840 /trunk/src/main_gui.cpp: -Fix: make write to NULL pointer volatile so it's not optimised away 13:45:49 <Noldo> what is that? 13:46:24 <robotboy> planetmaker, http://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/Freeways/M7/02.JPG has one of our old style sheilds and the new style 13:46:26 <Noldo> ok! 13:46:37 <robotboy> I kinda like the new style 13:49:56 <planetmaker> ah. looks better than it sounded. 13:51:39 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:51:56 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-245-170.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:52:31 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 13:53:45 *** davis [~b@p5B28B2EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:54:20 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@a91-156-245-170.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:56:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.190.195] has joined #openttd 13:58:46 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:59:40 * robotboy thinks the new style is more readable for a tourist than all the old sheilds combined 14:01:58 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e08fc24.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 14:02:30 <planetmaker> any pic of the old style, robotboy ? 14:04:36 *** Klanticus [~quassel@200-161-120-132.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 14:06:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20841 /trunk/src/lang/ (ukrainian.txt unfinished/urdu.txt): -Fix: unbreak some translations' compilation 14:11:18 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 14:14:00 <robotboy> well tah one contained one example 14:14:12 <robotboy> the 2 in a hexagon 14:14:23 <planetmaker> ah, I see :-) 14:14:33 <planetmaker> then the new is better indeed 14:14:44 <planetmaker> more 'standard' 14:16:39 <robotboy> http://ozroads.com.au/NSW/Freeways/F3/beresfield-AD5.JPG is another example 14:18:00 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-94-201.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:18:21 <robotboy> http://ozroads.com.au/NSW/RouteNumbering/National%20Routes/48/01.JPG here are two of the other style 14:18:21 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:13 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:19:31 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:49 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:21:18 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:34:16 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:9c93:6c36:f301:6bfe] has joined #openttd 14:34:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:34:23 *** jpx [~jpx_@a91-156-245-170.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:36:15 <planetmaker> those look familiar. Maybe NZ has the same things 14:36:21 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:36:37 *** Joni_ [~Joni-@80.220.0.41] has joined #openttd 14:37:12 <planetmaker> I didn't find them particularly confusing, though :-) 14:39:07 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@a91-156-245-170.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:39:15 <TrueBrain> you sure? 14:39:18 <TrueBrain> that's what she said 14:39:20 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@a91-156-245-170.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:39:37 *** Klanticus [~quassel@200-161-120-132.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:09 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, I've been driving around there 12 months... and I always found my way ;-) 14:40:22 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: tbh, I had no clue what you were talking about 14:40:26 <TrueBrain> just wanted to say something 14:40:40 <planetmaker> right :-P 14:41:06 <TrueBrain> I guess I didn't care how intelligent it sounded :D 14:41:48 *** jpx_ 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14:49:10 <Wolf01> hello 14:49:25 <Rubidium> 'allo Wolf01 14:57:22 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:07:36 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:10:19 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 15:10:19 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:10:33 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:14:43 <robotboy> I was mainly talking about the route sheilds 15:15:41 <robotboy> which is the more superior of the four old style examples? 15:16:08 <robotboy> the new alphanumeric style is designed to replace all of the old styles 15:16:54 <Rubidium> oh, I thought it was just two different numbering systems for the same road 15:17:08 <robotboy> no 15:18:00 <Rubidium> e.g. it looks similar to http://www.blog.automotiveaddicts.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/autobahn-signs.jpg 15:18:15 <robotboy> the 2 in a hexagon will become both M2 for Motorway standards and A2 for non motorway 15:20:00 <robotboy> that is when NSW fully converts to the new style 15:20:02 <robotboy> in some cases the same road ends up with two numbers eg a white and black sheild and a blue and white sheild (not the hexagonal) 15:21:00 <Rubidium> so it's both the M2 and M7? 15:21:48 <robotboy> yes 15:21:49 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:00 <robotboy> but only [part 15:22:05 <robotboy> part 15:22:09 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:22:29 <Rubidium> then I'd probably be lost finding the M2 :) 15:23:22 <Rubidium> the sign I showed was just for the A1 in Germany or E37 in Europe 15:23:58 <robotboy> the reason for that is part of the route M7 replaced finishes further up M2 so they extended M7 up M2 to meet Metroad 7 (7 in a hexagonal sheild) 15:24:54 <robotboy> M7 partially replaced Metroad 7 which meets M2 which at about the sign I posted first becomes M7 purely 15:26:00 <robotboy> our governments are trying to convert all 4 sheild systems into the new style so they need to where possible and applicable keep the number the same 15:26:56 <Rubidium> http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europavei_30 <- if you want to see the "mess" or different signs there's over here :) 15:26:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.218.38] has joined #openttd 15:29:39 <Alberth> all the 'E's are green at least :) 15:29:40 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:58 <Rubidium> yeah... that's about all 15:30:10 <Rubidium> but they're not shown as prominently in all countries 15:30:15 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:30:53 <robotboy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hume_highway is as bad as it can get in australia 15:31:35 <glx> IIRC they are shown on highways here 15:31:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.190.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:31:57 * robotboy is geusing the E routes are the most important 15:32:19 <glx> not inside a country 15:32:35 <Rubidium> robotboy: nah, not really :) They're just overlayed over other highways in those countries 15:33:08 <robotboy> but at a continental level? 15:33:08 <Rubidium> the first column on the page I showed are the roads that are part of the E30 15:34:21 <Rubidium> so it has roughly 25 different road numbers 15:34:31 <robotboy> wow 15:34:45 <Rubidium> you list looks like all off-ramps for that highway 15:34:54 <robotboy> yes 15:35:25 <robotboy> it is rare in australia for Multiplexes of more than 2 numbers 15:36:27 <glx> and now theorically there are no 'N' roads in france, they became 'D' and can have a different number in each department 15:36:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fca71.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:36:49 <robotboy> in that table are the N routes the most important? 15:37:13 <Rubidium> the E30 doesn't go through France 15:37:42 <glx> the order of importance is A > N > D 15:38:06 <glx> with N transfered to D 15:38:52 * robotboy wonders what A and N stand for 15:39:09 <glx> A = autoroute (highway) 15:39:17 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:39:21 <glx> N = nationale 15:39:55 <robotboy> that makes sense 15:40:46 <Rubidium> oh, the E40 has one road more :) 15:40:59 <robotboy> the white on black and yellow on green with the work national above the number sheilds are the most important in Australia 15:41:23 <robotboy> they are always highways or regional freeways 15:41:25 <Rubidium> though it's 1700 km longer than the E30 (which is a mere 5800 km) 15:42:04 <robotboy> then outside of Sydney and Brisbane the blue and white sheilds are the most imporant 15:42:20 <glx> E60 is longer than E30 too 15:42:31 <robotboy> if in Sydney or Brisbane the Blue and white hexagons are the most important 15:42:31 *** avdg 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reset by peer] 17:48:51 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 17:49:26 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:50:23 <andythenorth> evening 17:54:26 <Alberth> good evening 17:56:43 <Belugas> ho... already :) you are giving me hope ! 17:56:51 <Belugas> evening to you too 17:56:59 <davis> hi =) 17:57:19 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:57:37 <Alberth> Hang on Belugas, only a few hours to go :) 17:57:43 <welshdragon> howdy all 17:58:16 <planetmaker> hi welshdragon 17:58:32 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:58:45 <welshdragon> Is it opssible in OpenTTD to expand a town out from the centre with buses? 17:58:54 <welshdragon> *possible 17:59:09 <Belugas> quite :) luckily, the afternoon hours are always the smoothest 17:59:21 <Belugas> not to the point of falling asleep, though... 17:59:27 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:59:33 <Belugas> welshdragon, i don't think so. 17:59:42 <Belugas> Towns are always expanded from the center 17:59:53 <welshdragon> I plan on taking passengers from the centre to a point in the suburbs 17:59:59 <planetmaker> welshdragon: 5 serviced stations matter for growth. Everything else... 18:00:16 <Belugas> ho... not changing the place where the town grows... 18:00:18 <Belugas> silly me... 18:00:32 <planetmaker> ... is just ... of no importance in that respect 18:00:48 <welshdragon> hm 18:00:50 <planetmaker> Na, Belugas as intelligent beings ;-) 18:00:52 <Alberth> Belugas: today we had an evacuation exercise, I took the opportunity to go home early :) 18:01:02 <planetmaker> :-D 18:01:09 <planetmaker> s/as/are/ 18:01:51 <Belugas> hehehe :) 18:01:58 <Belugas> you were reported missing! 18:01:58 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:57 * andythenorth ponders 18:03:01 <andythenorth> should code something :P 18:03:08 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:03:11 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab311.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:03:22 <planetmaker> andythenorth: draw something! :-) 18:03:37 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03:49 <welshdragon> andythenorth, code some train templates for BROS! 18:04:25 <andythenorth> no 18:04:27 * welshdragon considers patching IS2.1.1 and departureboards 18:04:32 <andythenorth> BROS is a madhouse :P 18:04:44 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:04:44 <welshdragon> I'll send you cookies 18:05:02 <welshdragon> avdg, fix your internet! 18:05:30 <avdg> thats a job for my isp ;-) 18:05:34 <planetmaker> welshdragon: maybe you should give coding it in NML a try :-) 18:05:35 <andythenorth> just clone 2CC set and branch it 18:05:39 <andythenorth> or nml 18:05:41 <planetmaker> That's actually readable and works already 18:06:04 <planetmaker> If you want a starter, clone opengfx+trains 18:06:04 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:06:06 <welshdragon> planetmaker, i don't have the time 18:06:14 <planetmaker> there you have some variable use and livery override 18:07:01 <Ammler> you don't need time, nml does it for you 18:07:56 <planetmaker> well.... w/o time nothing gets done ;-) 18:08:16 <andythenorth> welshdragon: how do you know you don't have the time? 18:08:20 <andythenorth> what is the deadline? 18:10:26 <andythenorth> planetmaker: what to draw? 18:10:36 <andythenorth> it's all finished isn't it? :P 18:10:57 <Belugas> a line that if you cross it not having done what 's nneded to be done, yu'r dead 18:10:57 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:59 <planetmaker> oh, is it already? :-) 18:11:00 <Belugas> a deadline 18:11:17 * andythenorth checks 18:11:18 <andythenorth> frick 18:11:23 <andythenorth> not finished :( 18:11:25 <planetmaker> andythenorth: nice graphics for the default industries ;-) 18:11:36 <Belugas> or so your boss trie to make you think your dead... 18:11:43 <andythenorth> I believe those are provided by Simon Foster 18:11:44 <andythenorth> :) 18:11:50 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:12:05 <planetmaker> andythenorth: but boring, if you use the same :-P 18:12:11 <planetmaker> ok... but not that important 18:12:14 <welshdragon> andythenorth, i'm in uni 18:12:25 <andythenorth> that wasn't my question 18:12:25 <welshdragon> i have a lot of commitments 18:12:28 <andythenorth> what is the deadline? 18:12:32 <andythenorth> for BROS? 18:12:42 <welshdragon> 2015 :P 18:13:06 <andythenorth> you probably have time for a bit of coding before then 18:14:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.170.206] has joined #openttd 18:16:25 * welshdragon ponders 18:16:26 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:56 <welshdragon> the last time i tried doing any patching my Macbook crawled to a halt 18:16:56 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:17:12 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 18:17:26 <andythenorth> what cpu / RAM do you have? 18:18:32 <Rubidium> 4 GiB + 2x2.53 GHz, but PearPC really helps reducing its speed to a crawl 18:18:33 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:18:56 <andythenorth> I meant welshdragon...but anyway 18:19:01 <andythenorth> :) 18:19:02 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:19:02 * Alberth bets he won't beat my 3 hour HD LED test to compile a kernel in 8MB :) 18:19:35 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I'm thinking to deprecate Wholesale Market http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/schema/industries#wholesale_market 18:19:39 <andythenorth> don't think it's needed 18:19:44 <andythenorth> livestock we solved the other day 18:20:01 <andythenorth> fruit & veggies, is either fine or can be fixed later :P 18:20:01 <planetmaker> Only one store, I think, is needed 18:20:08 <planetmaker> where does lifestock go? 18:20:21 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab311.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:24 <planetmaker> doesn't the general store accept vegies? 18:20:45 <planetmaker> or asked differently: why do you want to remove the market? 18:20:55 <planetmaker> any reason? 18:20:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.182.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:01 <welshdragon> andythenorth, erm, i think i have 2gb ram and a dual core 18:21:17 <andythenorth> welshdragon: do you know how to check? 18:21:20 <planetmaker> that's fast enough for nearly everything 18:21:31 <planetmaker> at least related to grfdev 18:21:38 <andythenorth> planetmaker: it's not drawn, I don't know what it should look like, and I don't think it's needed :) 18:21:50 <welshdragon> andythenorth, er... no :P 18:21:55 <andythenorth> :o 18:21:58 <planetmaker> :-O 18:22:01 <andythenorth> you running OS X? 18:22:04 <welshdragon> yep 18:22:13 <andythenorth> and you never found 'About this Mac'? :o 18:22:24 <planetmaker> andythenorth: hm... what other stores are there and what do they accept? 18:22:34 <welshdragon> i have 18:22:37 <planetmaker> One store in town would do. Or two 18:22:41 <andythenorth> planetmaker: there will be one generic 'Store' or 'Market' 18:22:45 <andythenorth> plus petrol pump 18:22:59 <planetmaker> accepted cargos: food, goods, vegies 18:23:03 <planetmaker> or milk ;-) 18:23:06 <andythenorth> maybe 18:23:10 <andythenorth> it can be tested 18:23:12 <welshdragon> 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo / 2 GB 1067 Mhz DDR3 18:23:14 <Rubidium> andythenorth: doesn't that just say "shiny"? 18:23:29 <andythenorth> welshdragon: that will rinse it for grf development 18:23:30 <planetmaker> !kick Rubidium :-P 18:23:42 <Rubidium> alright 18:23:43 <andythenorth> I mean, it's a bit lame, but it will work :P 18:23:46 *** Rubidium was kicked from #openttd by Rubidium [Rubidium] 18:23:51 <welshdragon> andythenorth, and for patching> 18:23:55 <planetmaker> hm 18:24:04 <andythenorth> nah, don't bother, it's waaaaaay too slow 18:24:15 <welshdragon> gah 18:24:20 <andythenorth> you should really upgrade, Macs get slower as they get older 18:24:27 <andythenorth> the new Macs are 4x faster than that 18:24:31 <andythenorth> at leasty 18:24:35 <Alberth> sounds like windows :p 18:24:46 * welshdragon wants departureboards and IS2.1.1 18:25:08 <andythenorth> I think there's a chip on the motherboard that checks build date and reduces CPU speed over time 18:25:08 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25:11 <planetmaker> andythenorth: mine has less powerful hardware than that 18:25:23 <andythenorth> planetmaker: there's a small chance I am trolling :) 18:25:29 <planetmaker> :-) 18:25:37 <planetmaker> Not sure, you might be right :-) 18:26:04 <andythenorth> welshdragon: you have the same spec as my old macbook 18:26:08 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:26:15 <planetmaker> old? hm. 18:26:33 <welshdragon> andythenorth, when did you upgrade? 18:26:36 <andythenorth> dunno 18:26:38 <andythenorth> some time 18:26:56 *** avdg1 [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:27:27 <andythenorth> June 2009 apparently 18:27:36 <welshdragon> somebody ban avdg :P 18:27:42 <welshdragon> he's starting to annoy me 18:27:53 <andythenorth> welshdragon: I get a new one every 12 months or so, rip the drive, and give the old one to someone else 18:28:01 *** avdg2 [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:28:23 <welshdragon> heh 18:28:28 <welshdragon> I can't afford to do that 18:29:24 <planetmaker> lucky you, andythenorth 18:29:29 <andythenorth> it's work 18:29:40 <andythenorth> we buy a lot of laptops 18:29:42 <planetmaker> :-) 18:29:56 <andythenorth> sometimes I get a new one and an employee gets mine 18:30:08 <andythenorth> sometimes they get the new one, and I have to wait :) 18:30:23 <andythenorth> anyway, this doesn't add any pixels to the game 18:30:35 <andythenorth> welshdragon: checkout FIRS and 2CC set and compile them 18:30:45 <andythenorth> it should be about 12s maximum 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track+signal system so I can avoid this? Ive tried reading up on the wiki page but Im lost 21:50:47 <SpComb> use path signals \o/ 21:51:46 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 21:51:51 <Nevyn> I have two tracks comming in from my main lanes and those one-way path signal 21:52:09 <Nevyn> Ill try the next one to the left then, and see if it helps me. Tnx. 21:54:05 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ffe4c000-43.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 21:57:14 <Nevyn> nah I dont get it 21:57:21 <Nevyn> I still manage to get trains to clog up whatever I do 22:00:07 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01:04 *** BCMM [~ben@78.32.73.127] has joined #openttd 22:01:31 <BCMM> is there a good way to stop collecting a cargo at a station (for example, because you've built a new station dedicated to that cargo)? 22:01:46 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02:05 <BCMM> i mean, one which doesn't leave the old station with a permanent bad rating for the cargo that hasn't be picked up for years? 22:03:26 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:03:47 <SpComb> how curious, a post from the sprinkles thread just dissapeared 22:03:52 * SpComb blames orudge 22:06:52 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 22:06:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 22:07:07 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:04 <planetmaker> BCMM: there's not 22:09:31 *** Nevyn [~tullingus@ti0071a380-dhcp2566.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:11:55 <Eddi|zuHause> the bug is you using a mac. 22:12:03 <Eddi|zuHause> args 22:12:08 <Eddi|zuHause> and my bug is not scrolling down 22:14:32 <BCMM> planetmaker: thanks 22:21:07 *** Biolunar_ [mahdi@blfd-4db19c23.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:23:08 *** Biolunar is now known as Guest708 22:23:08 *** Biolunar_ is now known as biolunar 22:23:29 *** biolunar is now known as Biolunar 22:23:30 <Biolunar> grrr 22:28:27 *** Guest708 [mahdi@blfd-5d82233a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:36:37 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba8b3e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:47:04 *** GT [~GT@rt-scb-9f41.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:59:52 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:00:06 *** BCMM [~ben@78.32.73.127] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:41 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:06:34 *** el3eed-bacher [star-world@188.247.89.96] has joined #openttd 23:07:03 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:09:37 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Quit: Good bye] 23:09:59 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-80-90.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:22:47 *** Indoril [~indoril@83.243.235.169] has joined #openttd 23:23:24 <Indoril> servers 23:25:59 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:27:01 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db19c23.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: ffs. gn8] 23:27:35 <Indoril> any known bugs with win 7 64 bit when loading server list in openttd? 23:28:19 <Yexo> no 23:28:46 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-105.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:28:48 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-105.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has quit [] 23:30:50 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:31:42 <Indoril> A friend of mine has that problem 23:31:55 <Indoril> neways he's gone to bed now so I guess we'll look into it another time 23:32:31 <Nite> what prob? 23:33:03 <Indoril> his openttd client crashes when its getting the server list 23:33:06 <Yexo> what problem does he have? is the list not populated at all, does openttd crash when he tries to load the server list? 23:33:29 <Indoril> he said, he gets a few servers then the game hangs 23:33:30 <Yexo> please create a bug report at bugs.openttd org and include crash.dmp and crash.log 23:34:01 <Indoril> will do when he wakes up 23:38:18 *** davis [~b@p5B28B2EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:17 <GT> SmatZ still awake? 23:41:01 <GT> @seen SmatZ 23:41:01 <DorpsGek> GT: SmatZ was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 2 hours, 58 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <SmatZ> 7.8-8.2 23:47:20 *** el3eed-bacher [star-world@188.247.89.96] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:48:04 *** el3eed-bacher [away_boy@188.247.89.96] has joined #openttd