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00:00:58 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:07:17 *** Keiya [~Keiya@pool-96-230-229-184.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:53 *** Keiya [~Keiya@pool-96-230-229-184.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:10:04 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:11:38 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.66.123] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 00:19:14 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089077244008.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 00:21:27 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089077244008.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:24:49 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:27:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:38:54 <Keiya> Why does OpenTTD use such a relic of a VCS? >_> 00:42:36 <SmatZ> openttd uses svn 00:42:50 <SmatZ> but you can use hg or git, if you can't stand svn 00:43:11 <SmatZ> imo svn is great for openttd 00:43:16 <SmatZ> there aren't many branches 00:43:22 <SmatZ> and only few developers 00:43:30 <SmatZ> so centralised vcs is fine 00:43:40 <SmatZ> (also, svn revision numbers for the win) 00:44:00 <Keiya> Blugh. Revision numbers are one of the things I hate /most/ about SVN >_> 00:50:14 *** Keiya [~Keiya@pool-96-230-229-184.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:50:33 *** Keiya [~Keiya@pool-96-230-229-184.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:51:14 *** Keiya_ [~Keiya@pool-96-230-229-184.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:58:42 *** Keiya [~Keiya@pool-96-230-229-184.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:02:37 *** fanioz [~fanioz@223.255.225.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving, BRB] 01:04:14 *** Keiya_ is now known as Keiya 01:17:57 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:25:57 *** enr1x [~kiike@230.227.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 01:33:38 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:53:32 *** enr1x [~kiike@230.227.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:03:28 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:06:35 <ccfreak2k> SmatZ, I never really got that. 02:06:56 <ccfreak2k> Every person I've talked to that "switched" to hg goes on about how great it is and how anyone using svn is basically braindead. 02:07:08 <ccfreak2k> As if hg was the end-all be-all of version control. 02:17:13 <Keiya> Well, there's also git. That's a reasonable choice too 02:28:22 <xiong> Git++ 02:28:58 <xiong> Git is better adapted to free software development. After all, who is in charge? You can't fire volunteers. 02:31:15 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:6cdf:5b7:27aa:92d9] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:31:47 <xiong> That said, I don't make the mistake of thinking any tool is right for every job. I have seen mechanics with toolboxes bigger than some cars. It's tempting to see this as an ego thing or evilness of Snap-On. But some guys really fill every drawer and have a use for everything in it. 02:32:47 <xiong> On the gripping hand, if all you have is a cliche, everything looks like a hammer. 02:51:44 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:06:11 *** fanioz [~fanioz@223.255.225.14] has joined #openttd 03:07:34 * fanioz says good morning to all 03:14:30 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 03:17:55 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.33.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:29:21 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d174.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 03:30:04 *** fanioz [~fanioz@223.255.225.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:36:44 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d5c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:17 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 04:05:10 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:33:02 *** 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now known as Guest3271 05:39:46 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 05:45:56 *** Guest3271 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:49:22 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@myc1635.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 05:51:44 <Terkhen> good morning 05:55:16 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:57:10 *** Keiya [~Keiya@pool-96-230-229-184.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 05:59:13 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@myc1635.demon.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:04:41 *** Keiya_ [~Keiya@pool-96-230-229-184.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:14:02 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@host86-170-252-68.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 06:16:00 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:19:56 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0b8955.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:20:20 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:21:27 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:26:48 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:46:53 *** rril [~home_rril@213.151.47.227] has joined #openttd 06:49:43 <dihedral> good morning 06:50:53 *** V453000 [~V453000@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:50:53 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:53 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:54:15 *** Keiya_ [~Keiya@pool-96-230-229-184.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 06:57:03 *** _Terkhen_ [~Terkhen@130.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 07:01:35 *** Keiya [~Keiya@pool-96-230-229-184.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:06:22 *** Mortomes|Work [~MortomesW@mail.qps.nl] has joined #openttd 07:10:09 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 07:10:14 <norbert79> Morning 07:16:22 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@host86-170-252-68.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 07:18:26 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe83de00-38.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:22:18 *** _Terkhen_ [~Terkhen@130.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 07:27:15 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:34:36 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe83de00-38.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:35:19 *** _Terkhen_ [~Terkhen@130.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 07:44:46 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 07:49:28 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe83de00-38.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:03:34 *** IPG_ [~chatzilla@pool-152-66-222-50.bgk.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 08:24:48 *** roboboy 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What are you going to do with it? 11:33:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74916.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:33:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74916.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:37:57 <Pulec> are there any pages with majority of usable opengfx addons? 11:38:05 <Pulec> other then wiki... 11:38:23 <Eddi|zuHause> did you look at grfcrawler, or the ingame download? 11:38:30 <peter1138> bah 11:38:42 <peter1138> there should be a media player thing for wii :s 11:38:55 <Pulec> ah nice 11:39:19 <Pulec> why on wii? isnt pc better? 11:39:40 <peter1138> erm 11:39:45 <peter1138> cos i have a wii connected to my telly 11:39:46 <peter1138> not a pc 11:44:45 <peter1138> hmm, something involving the web browser should be doable, heh 11:49:15 <planetmaker> Pulec, depends on the OpenGFX add-ons 11:49:48 <planetmaker> The home of all OpenGFX add-ons (which is != all newgrfs though) is at http://dev.openttdcoop.org 11:50:04 <planetmaker> Look for the OpenGFX+ xxx newgrfs 11:50:14 <planetmaker> But... many are still in its infancy 11:50:31 <planetmaker> the airports are nice, they support the climates better than default airports :-) 11:50:40 <planetmaker> And you got rotation for the small one 11:51:24 <planetmaker> the downloads for nightly development versions of those newgrfs are at http://bundles.openttdcoop.org 11:51:49 <planetmaker> Other than that: the ingame content download gives you a lot of add-ons 11:52:04 * planetmaker stops the monologue now ;-) 11:53:13 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 11:53:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host253-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 11:53:56 <Wolf01> hello 11:57:42 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 12:07:59 *** _Terkhen_ [~Terkhen@130.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 12:09:16 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:bd14:2a8f:b3b8:f7cc] has joined #openttd 12:09:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 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/trunk/src/lang/ (8 files): (log message trimmed) 17:44:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:44:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by frosch 17:44:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: hebrew - 19 changes by rril 17:44:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: irish - 1 changes by tem 17:44:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: italian - 2 changes by lorenzodv 17:44:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: korean - 19 changes by dlunch, junho2813 17:44:32 <Belugas> mmh... too much stuff on that SD card 17:45:44 <Alberth> turn it over so the stuff falls off 17:48:06 <Belugas> quite :) 17:54:03 <Belugas> i guess it's time to do abig cleanup 17:57:18 * Lakie wonders if there are any decent ides for linux... 17:57:26 <peter1138> vim 17:57:59 <Alberth> if you like java bloated ones, eclipse 17:58:12 <Lakie> Thanks, I'm finding things like grfcodec are hard to compile on windows but easy on linuix. :/ 17:58:20 <peter1138> or netbeans, hah 17:58:29 <peter1138> but vim is the one true way :D 17:58:35 <Lakie> Heh 17:58:38 <peter1138> code::blocks? hmm 17:58:38 <Alberth> pretty much anything is easy to compile at linux :) 17:58:58 <Alberth> peter1138: folding 17:59:02 <Lakie> Yes, due to how it stores libraries and such... 17:59:40 <Alberth> Lakie: unix was designed for development use 17:59:55 <Lakie> Ah, I didn't know that, 18:02:13 <Lakie> Slowly trying to hack in some png reading for grfcodec... 18:02:17 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF83AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:02:51 <planetmaker> now, that'd probably be appreciated by A LOT :-) 18:04:58 <Lakie> Me included. ;) 18:05:27 * planetmaker 'd like it, too 18:10:56 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5C18.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:02 <xiong> It is now 1859 and Shirleysburg has grown out of control. The more service I provide, the more pax wait. All of its neighbors have been reduced, in comparison, to suburbs. I've spent a vast sum building a high-density commuter loop that whips as many pax per day out to just Lebanon as I can. Still, half Shirleysburg's pop is waiting at one of its three stations. 18:16:21 <xiong> I would like to move on, leave this corner to itself awhile, and build up another urban area. But the locals are screaming about bad service. Will I ever reach a saturation point? Or does service merely create demand without limit, in some cases? 18:17:39 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-92-128.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 18:24:55 *** fjb is now known as Guest3316 18:24:56 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFF7B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:31:41 *** Guest3316 [~frank@p5DDFF480.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:32:47 <Alberth> it is not unlimited, but loading passengers is hard due to their numbers 18:33:01 <Alberth> how are the 'screaming'? 18:34:19 <Alberth> if a vehicle comes along regulraly, you get good service rating as far as i know, even if it has 1000+ waiting passengers 18:35:36 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:54 *** V [d45053cb@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:37:18 *** V is now known as V453000 18:37:56 <Lakie> ... foo, well it read it then died... 18:39:25 *** andythenorth [~andy@host86-171-86-103.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:39:33 <Alberth> hello andy 18:39:47 *** V453000 [d45053cb@ircip3.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 18:39:53 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 18:39:59 <andythenorth> hi hi 18:40:12 <andythenorth> Alberth: want to tackle orders? 18:40:21 <andythenorth> I need to learn to code properly anyway :P 18:41:03 <Alberth> I am afraid to even read the discussion :p 18:41:50 <Alberth> is that difficult in some special way? 18:41:55 <andythenorth> dunno 18:42:00 <andythenorth> depends what the spec is :) 18:42:12 <_Terkhen_> did you reach an agreement? 18:42:18 <_Terkhen_> also hi andythenorth 18:43:28 <andythenorth> I think the problem with 'agreement' is that no-one is in charge :P 18:43:30 <Alberth> oh, I had no trucks in 1934 for grain 18:43:42 <andythenorth> asking users will only produce conflicting desires 18:43:52 <Alberth> _Terkhen_: most likely we did not, but I don't care :) 18:44:01 <andythenorth> I reckon try some patches, see what breaks, ship it unless rubi or others say no :P 18:44:04 <_Terkhen_> :D 18:44:11 *** orudge` [~orudge@c-75-73-67-58.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:44:14 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 18:44:26 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba932d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:44:26 <andythenorth> we need to do what's right, not what users want :D 18:44:38 <_Terkhen_> I'd change my question then... did you reach something that is consistent and feasible? 18:44:41 <andythenorth> in commercial software we have to do it the other way :P 18:44:51 <Alberth> well, having several hierarchies seems to be agreed by several people 18:44:55 <andythenorth> _Terkhen_: I think I have workable suggestions 18:45:09 <andythenorth> I also think my suggestions can be broken into small-ish patches 18:45:12 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:20 <Alberth> andythenorth: commercial software needs to keep itself busy :) 18:47:32 <xiong> Alberth, I have 'poor' service ratings at two of three stations. I will try to increase service to these. I'd hoped that by draining off waiting pax at one station, the others would feel better. It's not as though they aren't already well served. 18:48:09 <xiong> I notice that doubling service on a line is non-trivial. 18:49:07 <Alberth> yep, I like such a challenge :p 18:49:51 <Alberth> xiong: http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Station_rating 18:49:55 <xiong> I'm coming to think that good service requires at least two different kinds of train: long and a bit slow; and short and fast. The long ones take away surplus numbers and the fast ones keep the head times short. 18:49:56 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 18:50:08 *** orudge` [~orudge@c-75-73-67-58.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 18:50:15 <xiong> Alberth, I have studied that page thoroughly. Translating it into action is tough. 18:50:53 <Alberth> oh, ok. Never tried to get good service by exploiting such knowledge :p 18:51:06 <xiong> I feel that some dodges are just cheating. In my last game, I got pretty good ratings by putting bus and truck stations right across the street from one another. 18:51:35 <xiong> I don't know if you're serious. I am. 18:52:05 <Alberth> such setups do not sound like much fun to me 18:52:46 <Alberth> I am not serious in getting ratings of any kind, or trying to be better than others, my aim is to build nice lines, and to have fun 18:52:49 <xiong> It's reading the Game Mechanics page that suggested the long-slow/short-fast system. 18:53:05 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.34.158] has joined #openttd 18:53:21 <xiong> If I make sure to have plenty of track around the loop that allows the fast ones to pass, it might even work. We'll see. 18:55:13 <xiong> Meanwhile, freight service is going to hell. I've managed to train from primary industry to town, then from town to secondary -- and return by the same route. But the two industries must ship at different stations, so I've got a ridiculous in-town horse-carriage transfer service. Knowing that this is all totally authentic doesn't make it work better. 18:55:35 <xiong> s/two industries/two classes of industry/ 18:57:24 <xiong> Perhaps good station ratings aren't all that important and I'm worrying too much. Early on, I ran into difficulty several times with unhappy towns not allowing me to build. 18:57:31 <Alberth> I don't care about realism either 18:57:58 <xiong> I guess, now that I have money, I can always try other techniques. 18:58:33 <Alberth> I usually then move on to another town, if they don't like me, it is their loss, not mine. After a while I can always try again. 18:59:21 <andythenorth> station rating matters for cargo supplied by industry, but ach, you can make money easy anyway 18:59:37 <andythenorth> and trying to manage *every* station rating is a road to madness :) 19:03:05 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@s5591716a.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:05:49 <andythenorth> Alberth: I put my thoughts on orders here: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=908792#p908792 19:06:04 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-18-102.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:03 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5C18.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:18 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-45-159.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:08:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:11:33 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2819.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:13:18 *** Keiya [~Keiya@pool-96-230-229-184.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:13:58 <Alberth> It looks like an implementable approach, I am only not sure whether it goes in the right direction. 19:13:58 <Alberth> I guess I need to make up my mind about that :p 19:14:38 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:15:15 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 19:16:38 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:17:11 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 19:22:22 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:12 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:24:44 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:26:45 <xiong> I'm starting to think mixed consists are trouble here. I'm working a farm, which produces livestock and accepts farm supplies. This can train into town where there is a forge ready to supply the farm supplies. But the livestock must transfer to get to the stockyard. If I put both a flatcar for the supplies and cars for the livestock on the same train, how do I give the orders? 19:28:05 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 19:29:22 <xiong> If I set town to unload-transfer-no-loading then I don't pick up the farm supplies. If I set it to the default, the livestock aren't accepted and aren't picked up by the shuttle that should take them onward to their doom. 19:29:31 *** Marlin [~marlinc@541C16A0.cm-5-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:29:40 <Marlin> servers 19:29:49 <Alberth> I would not know. You 'could' do a refit as part of the orders (I have never done that either) 19:29:56 <Marlin> !servers 19:29:59 <Marlin> Hehe:P 19:30:15 <xiong> If I set town to unload-transfer-full-load then I think the train would pick up the same livestock it just unloaded. There's a warning about that in the wiki. 19:30:17 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:30:22 *** Marlin [~marlinc@541C16A0.cm-5-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 19:30:49 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 19:31:15 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:31:32 <xiong> I don't know about refitting in orders. Doesn't sound good, no offense. 19:32:29 <xiong> I think it's probably just more rational not to mix the consist. But farm and engineering supplies aren't moved in great quantities, so one is led to very short trains for these. 19:32:45 <Alberth> you can also use trucks 19:33:18 <Alberth> I have yet to reach the point where I actually produce such supplies first :) 19:33:20 <xiong> In 1859, it's horse-drawn wagons and they're very slow indeed. Not so bad for the in-town transfers but over the road, meh. 19:33:43 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:45 <Alberth> ouch 19:33:56 <Alberth> which RV set do you use? 19:34:25 <Alberth> I have a game in 1934, and I only have a mail truck with the default RVs 19:35:06 <xiong> eGRVTS. It's nice. 19:35:33 <xiong> It's just starting to offer me crappy steam road vehicles. The horses are better. 19:35:55 <Alberth> 1859 sounds awfully early :) 19:36:12 <xiong> I started in 1850. 19:36:21 <xiong> Coffee, anyone? 19:36:35 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:36:37 <Alberth> I started at 1920 with UKRS2 for the first time. 19:37:04 <Alberth> xiong: no thank you, I am going to bed in less than an hour 19:38:25 <xiong> In prototype, each cargo has a manifest and the road knows exactly where to pick it up and where to put it down. 19:39:08 <xiong> I'd ask for that kind of fine-grained control if it weren't so difficult, in practice, to manage. Real roads have guys who spend their whole lives doing this kind of paperwork. 19:40:57 <Alberth> yeah, it woild lead to an awful amount of micro managing 19:41:37 <xiong> As if this weren't the micro-managing game of all time! 19:42:55 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-171-102.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:45:29 <xiong> The FIRS docs are kinda incomplete, eh? Does anyone know what the 'late delivery' time is for engineering and farm supplies? 19:45:41 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@yoda.zernebok.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:45:49 <xiong> They're not perishable so I'd think they'd be okay for awhile on the road. 19:49:02 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-154-80-238.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:49:49 <LordAro> morning! 19:50:08 <LordAro> my ubuntu 10.10 failed :( 19:50:25 <LordAro> won't even boot properly now :( 19:50:50 <planetmaker> I suggest to complain to the ubuntu channel about that 19:50:55 <planetmaker> :-) 19:51:18 <Rubidium> planetmaker: no, it's good info. Mean we don't need to support Ubuntu 10.10 19:51:33 <LordAro> i'm making a post on the ubuntu forums right now :) 19:54:39 <andythenorth> xiong: 'code is documentation' :D 19:54:39 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/entry/sprites/nfo/cargo_schemes.list 19:54:52 <andythenorth> I don't know what it means, I didn't write the cargos part of FIRS 19:55:30 <planetmaker> xiong: also... ingame there are graphs for the cargo profits as function of time and distance or so 19:56:00 <andythenorth> Alberth: discuss orders before sleep? 19:56:04 * planetmaker always gets a knot in the brain when walking through the cargo delivery formula 19:56:44 <Alberth> andythenorth: I'd rather not do that now 19:56:49 <andythenorth> :D 19:57:25 <LordAro> Anyone-who-can-be-bothered: here's my ubuntu related post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9997309#post9997309 <-- think i need to say anything else? 19:57:29 *** Keiya_ [~Keiya@pool-96-230-229-184.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:57:52 <Alberth> use a more sane distribution instead? 19:58:37 * LordAro thinks that he should stop spamming the irc with off topic... 19:58:47 * Alberth ponders to suggest OpenBSD, but does not do that :p 19:58:56 <Alberth> very little is off-topic here :) 19:59:03 <Rubidium> Debian on s390 works pretty nicely 19:59:18 <Rubidium> also it won't have problems with the splash screen 20:02:14 <LordAro> Alberth: bit late now, my computer won't boot properly :) 20:03:01 <Alberth> not even a floppy-disk? 20:03:39 <Alberth> I am not even sure you can boot OpenBSD in another way :) 20:03:46 <LordAro> ok, perhaps boot isn't the best word to use, ubuntu won't load! (see link above) 20:04:22 <Alberth> boot the live cd, and re-install from scratch sounds like the best solution. 20:05:02 *** Keiya [~Keiya@pool-96-230-229-184.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:04 <Alberth> (at least I think ubuntu has such a cd) 20:05:30 <Rubidium> step #1: boot without the fracking splash screen so you can actually see where it hangs 20:05:53 <Alberth> you did put your user data in a separate partition, right? 20:06:03 <andythenorth> LordAro: OS X 20:06:17 <Rubidium> andythenorth: but that doesn't release every 6 months 20:06:35 <andythenorth> yeah 20:06:43 <andythenorth> means all my apps don't break all the time :P 20:06:53 * andythenorth is scared of snow leopard upgrade 20:06:59 <andythenorth> means OTTD might not compile 20:07:09 <andythenorth> OTTD is the main reason I didn't upgrade yet 20:07:12 <planetmaker> andythenorth: works here 20:07:20 <andythenorth> maybe I'll upgrade 20:07:24 <planetmaker> I use snow leopard basically since it's out 20:07:34 <planetmaker> (but I kept my old HDD just in case ;-) ) 20:07:52 <planetmaker> i.e. I didn't upgrade but newly installed 20:08:09 <Rubidium> actually, seems like Mac OS X is on a 2 year release cycle since 10.2 20:08:22 <planetmaker> kinda 20:08:40 <andythenorth> jobs is all about iPhone now 20:08:48 <andythenorth> the mac is very much taking a back seat 20:09:58 <planetmaker> I don't really think. But they constantly need something new in the media 20:10:06 <Rubidium> ah well, that at least gives you a phone which you can use for everything Steve's allows you to do 20:10:16 <andythenorth> apart from phoning 20:10:28 <LordAro> Alberth: don't wanna do that :p 20:10:32 * andythenorth does some useful stuff instead 20:10:43 <Rubidium> has there been an announcement for 10.7? 20:10:48 <LordAro> Rubidium: err...how? (without splash screen) 20:10:52 <andythenorth> we should remember mb is a nice helpful guy 20:11:22 <planetmaker> andythenorth: I always remember that 20:11:31 <Rubidium> LordAro: how should I know that? I use an operating system that lacks that, and I'm happy for that 20:11:49 <Rubidium> although... looking at Ubuntu in VB, it's not very talkative at all 20:12:05 <Rubidium> so you probably need to enable more stuff to get useful output 20:12:06 <planetmaker> especially for example today where I read his German posting where he's talking 'nicely' about the usefulness of <whatever> supplies in newgrfs 20:12:45 <planetmaker> in the typical way in side-remarks 20:13:07 <planetmaker> (and in the same posting claiming toursist and passengers making perfect sense) 20:13:22 <planetmaker> trallala 20:14:34 <Alberth> andythenorth: how can a 'STEEL mill' produce mere 'metal'? :p 20:14:51 <planetmaker> indeed 20:14:54 <Rubidium> because the stole the rest 20:14:57 <andythenorth> Alberth: it's magic 20:14:59 <planetmaker> unspeakably stupid 20:15:02 <planetmaker> :-P 20:15:50 <Alberth> andythenorth: I was afraid of that, I was assuming it would produce steel, also due to its current graphics :( 20:16:15 <andythenorth> yeah 20:16:18 <Alberth> on the other hand, now it is useful for the metal foundry :) 20:16:32 <andythenorth> if you want to expand cargos to say...64...you can have steel back :P 20:16:41 <andythenorth> and also maybe 6 input and 4 output? 20:16:43 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@yoda.zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 20:17:05 *** Strid_ [~Strid@c-fe85e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:17:49 <Alberth> the latter would be more interesting, I think, although 6 is a lot 20:18:33 <Rubidium> why make an artificial limitation? 20:18:56 <Rubidium> (just like the ~700 million pseudosprite limitation per NewGRF) 20:19:06 <andythenorth> unlimited cargos? 20:19:22 <andythenorth> then I can make one industry that takes in 'stuff' and produces all possible other cargos 20:19:26 <andythenorth> and one for vice versa 20:19:33 <Hirundo> limited to 2^32 :) 20:20:06 <andythenorth> not enough :( 20:20:08 <Alberth> andythenorth: no, we need that as container cargo in ships already :) 20:20:16 <andythenorth> yeah 20:20:26 <andythenorth> anyway, reworking orders would be good 20:20:34 <andythenorth> if we rework orders, we can fix groups 20:20:42 <andythenorth> which means we can tackle consists 20:21:06 <andythenorth> which means (finally) we can make proper multi-vehicle RVs with rv-wagons 20:21:13 <Alberth> I'd rather call it 'experimenting with orders' :) 20:21:18 <Yexo> Lakie: currently ttdpatch assumes the parameter for industry var 62 and 63 has signed x,y offset, which is inconsistent with var 60 and 61 which use unsigned offsets. The signedness for var 62/63 is currently not documented at all. Any change of changing it to unsigned x,y offset? 20:21:21 <planetmaker> andythenorth: seeing your issue tracker of FIRS: I treat scrap metal as bulk ;-) 20:21:44 <Yexo> if not, I'll document that it's signed for var 62/63 and make sure openttd behaves the same 20:21:44 <andythenorth> the only reason I'm even trying to solve orders stuff is that I want 'proper' RVs 20:21:51 <andythenorth> :D 20:21:55 <Lakie> Yexo, for objects? 20:22:00 <Yexo> no, for industries 20:22:13 <Yexo> newindu.asm:4573 20:22:14 <Lakie> objects relative ones should be signed 20:23:09 <Yexo> I know, for objects it makes sense, but for industries it's relative to the north tile, so imo unsigned makes more sense there (and var 60/61 already use unsigned offsets) 20:23:41 <Alberth> good night 20:23:46 <andythenorth> bye Alberth 20:23:48 <Rubidium> night Alberth 20:23:51 <Lakie> Hmm... would it break any industry compatiblity (not that it matters since most industry grfs have long since ditched ttdp support completely) 20:24:14 *** Strid [~Strid@c-fe85e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:25:06 <Yexo> only if any industry set checks var 62 with a negative x or y offset (checking var 63 with a negative offset makes no sense at all) 20:25:20 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:25:28 * andythenorth checks FIRS 20:25:50 * Lakie stabs gimp inserting custom chunks into pngs 20:26:47 <Rubidium> having trouble reading them with a patched version of the tool we "spoke" about not long (in day-timescale) ago? 20:27:13 <Lakie> Just a little though its more small scale 20:27:21 <Lakie> ie. seperate until it work 20:27:33 <Lakie> Then its mostly c/p + adjust. 20:27:59 <Lakie> Had to alter some checks around the inputs in the code though 20:28:36 <Rubidium> have fun :) 20:28:49 <andythenorth> I can't see FIRS using var 62 anywhere 20:28:57 <Lakie> Well, it read a the nml image nicely... 20:28:59 <andythenorth> I use var 60 20:29:16 <andythenorth> tile var 60 that is 20:29:25 <Yexo> var 60 is documented to have unsigned x and y offsets, but in openttd they're actually signed offsets currently 20:29:33 <Lakie> But it is fairly close, Rubidium, probably take a while to make it 'to standards' though. 20:29:47 <Yexo> I was talking about industry var 60, not tile var 60 20:29:54 <Lakie> Hmm... 20:30:10 <Lakie> Well, the place you pointed me too doesn't look like any offsets. 20:30:31 <Yexo> it's the function stub which calls the code for industry tile var 60 directly 20:30:44 <Yexo> industry tile var 60 is actually the same, but with signed offsets 20:31:10 <Lakie> getindustrylayoutnumber ? 20:31:29 <Lakie> Doesn't use tiles... 20:31:34 <Yexo> argh :(, line 4753, not 4573 20:31:36 <_Terkhen_> good night 20:31:39 <Lakie> Hehe 20:31:42 *** _Terkhen_ [~Terkhen@130.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 20:31:56 <andythenorth> hmm 20:31:57 <Lakie> Fair enough, lookd a little odd. 20:32:11 <andythenorth> all the people who might be interested in orders seem to have left :[ 20:32:44 <Lakie> :( 20:33:45 <Lakie> Ah yeah, movsx and not movzx 20:34:06 <planetmaker> andythenorth: it's a big issue. It needs time to sind and think. And then re-discuss it again 20:34:17 <andythenorth> ach 20:34:31 <LordAro> night people :) 20:34:32 <planetmaker> hm... s/issue/task or endeavour/ 20:34:42 <andythenorth> time to release HEQS 0.8.0? 20:34:45 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-154-80-238.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 20:34:48 <planetmaker> maybe? :-) 20:34:58 <Lakie> I presume just changing the moves from keeping the sign to not, would be sufficient Yexo? 20:35:20 <Yexo> Lakie: I have no idea, I don't understand most of the code there 20:35:27 <planetmaker> question mostly is: will it break? :-) 20:35:42 <Yexo> just enough to be able to identify it calls the industry tile var and parses the parameter in there, so it's also signed 20:36:14 <Lakie> Ok, well its the movsx which makes it signed, 20:36:31 <Lakie> extends bit 7 if set, iirc 20:36:37 <Lakie> thus keeping it negitive 20:36:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20995 /branches/1.0/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 20:36:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk: 20:36:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: When removing a rail station, do not leave track under non-station tiles (r20990) 20:36:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Ignore the variable for Action7/9 condition type 0x0D and 0x0E as documented (r20979) 20:36:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Helicopters fired a bit too late [FS#4155] (r20910) 20:37:28 <Yexo> Lakie: but for industry tile var 60 the parameter should remain signed 20:37:53 <Yexo> so it probably needs copying the parameter parse code to the industry var code and moving the label where it jumps in 20:38:08 <Lakie> I suppose I could move the 'join' and clone the code changing it to signed 20:40:41 <Yexo> if you agree with the change, that'd be nice 20:41:13 <Lakie> Well, it can be adjusted 20:41:56 <Lakie> I would likely check that things like ecs and mb's don't break first though. 20:42:47 * Yexo is just testing that 20:43:26 <Lakie> Sorry, I just don't want to change something and get yelled at for it. :x 20:44:21 <Belugas> go ahead, Lakie, Dalestan is not ther 20:44:35 <__ln__> what's this: http://i9.fastpic.ru/big/2010/0821/54/36c1e46b8750daa20619736c88c39b54.jpg 20:44:49 <Lakie> Lol, 20:45:18 <Lakie> I'm not sure if thats a good thing or a loss to the community, Belugas. 20:46:00 <Belugas> ha...that, i'm not making any statement on that matter :) 20:46:19 <Belugas> in fact, he (wa)'s a bit like Tron 20:46:37 <Belugas> hate him as you wish, but did he know his stuff... 20:46:54 <Lakie> Heh 20:47:12 <andythenorth> I miss him :( 20:47:24 <Wolf01> me too 20:47:24 <Yexo> ecs only uses it with offsets between 0 and 4, so it doesn't break 20:47:31 * Lakie wonders if his code is having issues from old code moving the file pointer. 20:47:32 <Wolf01> (and Tron too) 20:48:21 <Lakie> Don't really remember Tron. 20:48:34 <Lakie> Ok, I'll start cloning code, Yexo 20:48:41 <Yexo> thanks :) 20:48:54 <Yexo> did mb write an industry grf? if so, which one? 20:49:07 <Lakie> I think he wrote his own, iirc... 20:49:19 <Lakie> But I can't remember where you'd find it 20:49:24 <Rubidium> Yexo: alpine? 20:49:56 <Rubidium> newcargo? 20:50:41 <Yexo> alpine doesn't break either 20:50:54 *** Uresu [~Wes@5aceb715.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:51:20 <Lakie> Cool 20:51:43 <Lakie> Can't imagine anyone used over 7 tiles length 20:51:50 <Lakie> (thus ever noticed) 20:52:15 <planetmaker> :-) 20:52:32 <Yexo> newcargo causes glitches with the stadium but otherwise doesn't break wrt to the industry code 20:53:05 <planetmaker> alpine can't be used with OpenGFX :-( 20:53:58 <Rubidium> and he can't detect that... oh, he'll go mad one day 20:54:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:54:43 <Lakie> Ah, thats why my code is having fits, some code elsewhere is 'updating' my file handle 20:59:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20996 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Change: [NewGRF] the X and Y offsets in the parameter for industry vars 60,61,62,63 are unsigned instead of signed 21:00:59 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d820c66.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 21:01:33 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 21:08:42 <Lakie> Yay, it worked! 21:09:00 <Lakie> Unfortunetly I know how to make sure I haven't broken the old code. :x 21:09:27 *** Adambean [AdamR@88.97.144.82] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:32 <andythenorth> bed time 21:11:44 *** andythenorth [~andy@host86-171-86-103.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:12:07 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 21:16:42 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe83de00-38.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:20:30 *** Keiya [~Keiya@pool-96-230-229-184.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:21:10 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-216.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:27:56 *** Keiya_ [~Keiya@pool-96-230-229-184.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:40:36 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f47f0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: planetmaker * r20997 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Fix: Size of sort buttons for order and vehicle list gui could be too small 21:52:01 *** avdg1 [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 21:53:05 *** avdg2 [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 21:53:57 *** Hirundo_ [~chatzilla@s5591716a.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:54:57 *** Hirundo__ [~chatzilla@s5591716a.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:56:04 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba932d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:57:46 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:58:05 *** Hirundo___ [~chatzilla@s5591716a.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:59:03 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@s5591716a.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:59:14 *** Hirundo___ is now known as Hirundo 21:59:45 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF83AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:06 *** avdg1 [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:55 *** davis [~b@p5B28B409.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:02:13 *** Hirundo_ [~chatzilla@s5591716a.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:08 *** Hirundo__ [~chatzilla@s5591716a.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:01 <xiong> What is it with these junky 1860's steam road vehicles? They cost more to buy and operate, carry about the same cargo or less, are less reliable, and slower than a 4-horse carriage. 22:07:19 <xiong> Do they have any merit at all? 22:08:16 <__ln__> If i made a Mac-specific patch which Bjarni would not approve of, would that get accepted (for the same reason)? 22:08:30 <xiong> I think this is an elaborate joke. It may even be historically realistic. There have certainly been enough projectors with ill-designed products. 22:09:51 <SmatZ> @seen Bjarni 22:09:51 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 33 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 46 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <Bjarni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wVADKznOhY <-- wtf. Some rich guy built a trebuchet and uses burning pianos as ammo 22:10:05 <Wolf01> 'nighty night 22:10:09 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host253-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:12:46 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 22:23:47 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-159-103.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 22:24:03 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-159-103.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 22:32:29 <Eddi|zuHause> xiong: you should probably discuss that at the eGRVTS topic in the forums 22:33:08 <xiong> It's not a significant issue, I think; merely another oddity. 22:33:13 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.34.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:00 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:44:19 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:45:58 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.194.241] has joined #openttd 22:52:05 <Eddi|zuHause> ... anyone know a livecd kind of virus scanner? 22:52:21 <Eddi|zuHause> ... or liveusbstick... ;) 22:52:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.169.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:52:56 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba932d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:12 *** Keiya_ [~Keiya@pool-96-230-229-184.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:54:32 <__ln__> i think f-secure has something like that... 22:55:47 <__ln__> http://www.f-secure.com/en_EMEA/security/tools/rescue-cd/ 22:57:26 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-68-183-253-199.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:00:25 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 23:01:39 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f723fb7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:01:52 *** Keiya [~Keiya@pool-96-230-229-184.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:33 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 23:05:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19EDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:03 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@s5591716a.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:27:40 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:31:48 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:36:43 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:45 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:bd14:2a8f:b3b8:f7cc] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:38:59 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:bd14:2a8f:b3b8:f7cc] has joined #openttd 23:40:41 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:41:19 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-92-128.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:52:03 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:bd14:2a8f:b3b8:f7cc] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52:14 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:bd14:2a8f:b3b8:f7cc] has joined #openttd 23:54:45 *** Keiya [~Keiya@pool-96-230-229-184.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:59:18 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]