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What's That?] 05:10:00 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 05:11:58 *** zodttd2 [~me@user-0c90n0l.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:55:46 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B758D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74891.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:56:10 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 05:58:45 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f727021.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 06:14:03 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f727021.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:21:42 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:21:55 <Nite> Hi 06:22:34 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:10:24 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-139.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 07:15:12 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0b8955.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:15:46 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe83de00-38.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:18:53 <dih> morning 07:27:25 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:28:23 *** ^ekipS^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:51:00 <Terkhen> good morning 07:58:03 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice2n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 07:58:42 *** norbert79 is now known as Guest1711 08:00:40 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaa442.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:00:47 *** Guest1711 is now known as norbert79 08:01:48 <xiong> Good morning, Terkhen. 08:02:17 <xiong> Why is OTTD so very demanding of CPU, even when paused? What is it doing? 08:03:08 *** Mortomes|Work [~MortomesW@mail.qps.nl] has joined #openttd 08:05:59 <Ammler> xiong: while paused, then you have something broken, maybe your sound? 08:08:34 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:10:03 <xiong> Ammler, There is a known conflict when running openttd with Ubuntu, namely pulseaudio. It's ugly, very ugly. I have disabled the sound set, turned the system volume to 0, and tried to kill pulseaudio -- both ordinarily and by the method outlined in the pulseaudio manpage. 08:11:00 <xiong> By doing this, and by re-killing pulseaudio immediately previous to attempting to quit openttd, I have been able to get out of the latter without it hanging and requiring me to kill *it*. 08:11:01 <Ammler> well, volume to 0 might not help :-) 08:11:21 <xiong> Don't see how it can hurt, either. 08:11:58 <Ammler> what does known_bugs tell about? 08:12:15 <xiong> Basically, I'm willing to live entirely without sound in order to play the damn game. You suggest I might have to work harder to kill pulseaudio, even with no sound set? 08:12:29 <xiong> Um, this *is* a known bug. 08:13:00 <Ammler> yes, it is, quite long already 08:13:46 <xiong> Yah, and on the list of 'not to fix', which is understandable, since pulseaudio is one of those tragic "we will now fix everything" lashup wrappers. 08:13:57 <xiong> ... which should never have been. 08:14:14 <xiong> ... which would work just fine so long as everyone agreed to buy into it. 08:14:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A6C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:14:52 <Ammler> does it work, if you start openttd wiht -snull? 08:14:59 <xiong> For the time being, I figure I can live without sound. Down the road, I should probably look into building a more robust sound solution entirely. 08:15:22 <xiong> Dunno; didn't try. Disabled sound in GUI. 08:16:14 <xiong> Game Options -> Base sounds set -> NoSound 08:17:02 <xiong> Let me see. I'd rather push on it from the system end and really eliminate pulseaudio. I need to poke around with the config file for it; apparently, whenever I kill it, it restarts. 08:17:04 <Ammler> that's not the same... 08:18:25 <planetmaker> good morning 08:19:28 <xiong> Ammler, Well, let me try it. I have to do a bit of study-up. 08:20:53 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe83de00-38.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 08:21:15 <Terkhen> good morning planetmaker 08:22:51 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 08:24:57 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe83de00-38.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:27:49 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaa442.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:33:12 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 08:34:10 <xiong> Well, Ammler, this is quite annoying. I did 'nohup openttd -snull' and when I closed the terminal from which I started, the game popped up a do-you-want-to-quit box, to which it will not respond at all. It's hung. 08:34:36 <xiong> FWIW, it did not seem to hog CPU quite as much but it's hard to say. 08:34:53 * dih has no issues with openttd on ubuntu 08:35:02 <Ammler> openttd has its own option to go in background 08:35:06 <Ammler> or simply use screen 08:40:46 <xiong> dih, Like to talk to you about that. 08:41:34 <xiong> Which version Ubuntu? Have you run openttd under 9.10 = karmic? 08:41:56 <dih> as of Hardy 08:43:41 <xiong> Ammler, I tried also nohup ... & and I didn't get my prompt back in the terminal. However, now closing the terminal and openttd continues to run. Also, far, far less CPU time used. I call this success, thank you enormously. 08:44:03 <xiong> dih, Well, what about the pulseaudio conflict? 08:44:18 <Ammler> [09:35] <Ammler> openttd has its own option to go in background 08:44:28 <xiong> Or should I ask, are you *still* on Hardy? 08:44:40 <xiong> Ammler, Yah. But, this works. 08:45:54 <xiong> manpage says, fork into background, dedicated server only. 08:46:37 <dih> i am no longer on hardy and i had no pulseaudo conflict with openttd 08:48:18 <xiong> It's a non-issue. I can start up with the rubric 'nohup openttd -snull &' and be okay; I'm thrilled. The game is not even eating truly excessive CPU when running, with trains and horse carriages all over the place. 08:50:22 <xiong> 'Thrilled' is putting it mildly. I got sucked into the game almost a month ago and have done essentially no work of any kind, because I'm reluctant to quite OTTD even briefly, lest I lose my careful arrangement of sticky windows; and the game was eating so much time that nothing else worked well, not even a text editor. 08:51:08 <xiong> There is at least one person who is using my code who owes you a favor, Ammler. 08:51:19 * xiong makes hot chocolate for everyone 08:54:45 *** lasershock [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:58:31 *** lasershock [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 09:02:20 <xiong> Oh, that's ever so nice. 09:02:42 <SmatZ> hello :) 09:03:02 <xiong> dih, I cannot even begin to guess why our experiences differ. Could be anything. 09:03:11 <xiong> Hello, SmatZ. 09:03:54 <xiong> From now on, everyone entering #openttd is required to {bow} in the direction of Ammler. So say I. 09:04:02 *** X-2 [~X-2@a82-95-91-139.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:04:15 <Ammler> ? 09:04:50 <xiong> You cannot imagine how I feel about this. You are a wizard. I take my hat off to you, Sir. 09:05:12 <SmatZ> hello xiong 09:05:14 <Ammler> mÀh, I can't eat that :-P 09:05:17 <dih> xiong, if you turn down the need of expressing every thought you have a little, you will find yourself on less ignore lists 09:05:30 <dih> :-P 09:05:43 <xiong> I would never, ever, have tried such a thing. I assumed that when I disabled sound in the Game Options, I had done all I could from the openttd side and had to work on my system. 09:05:45 <Ammler> he, indeed 09:06:05 *** norbert791 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice2n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 09:06:11 * planetmaker sees six lines without context 09:06:14 <planetmaker> hello norbert79 09:06:24 <xiong> dih, I would *prefer* to be ignored by people who think I'm a fool. Saves me the trouble of proving it to them. 09:06:24 <planetmaker> and hello Ammler & SmatZ 09:07:14 <dih> lol @ planetmaker :-) 09:07:46 <dih> xiong, i am actually not trying to be mean to you, just telling you as nobody else has* 09:07:53 <dih> * managed to express it in an understandable way 09:09:05 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice2n2.emea.ibm.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:09:38 <Ammler> Sali planetmaker 09:11:39 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4378.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:12:16 <xiong> dih, I understand. Sorry if you feel I'm foolish, or loud, or silly. Please try to understand that I've been me for quite a few years; this is not a new issue. I decided some time ago to be happy in spite of it. It's the best I can do. 09:12:44 <dih> hehe ^^ 09:14:18 <planetmaker> @voice 09:14:49 <planetmaker> @whoami 09:14:49 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: I don't recognize you. 09:14:55 <planetmaker> hmpf 09:18:40 <Ammler> stupid bouncer restarts :-P 09:19:48 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm6.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:24:58 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 09:26:17 <SmatZ> hello planetmaker :) 09:27:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v planetmaker] by ChanServ 09:27:48 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip2.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 09:28:03 <planetmaker> now, that was unexpected 09:35:24 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 09:40:29 *** ^ekipS^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Not here] 09:40:53 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:41:54 <planetmaker> @whoami 09:41:54 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: planetmaker 09:42:00 * planetmaker pets Dorpsgek 09:44:35 *** planetmaker was kicked from #openttd by peter1138 [test :p] 09:44:44 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:44:48 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ 09:44:52 <peter1138> :o 09:45:08 <planetmaker> :-O 09:45:53 <planetmaker> thanks :-) 09:46:43 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/smp/creeper.jpg 09:47:13 <planetmaker> eh? creepy :-P 09:47:50 <theholyduck> http://turnthephage.deviantart.com/art/Creepers-171253124?q=boost%3Apopular+minecraft&qo=14 old but awesome 09:47:51 <theholyduck> and related 09:48:06 <peter1138> heh 09:55:52 <Scuddles> peter1138: Better sharpen your face, it looks a little blurred 09:55:58 * Terkhen wonders how many ships are too many ships 09:57:46 <theholyduck> Terkhen, you dont need many for serious network lag 09:59:56 <planetmaker> Terkhen: depends. On then umber of buoys :-) 10:00:08 <planetmaker> creating orders for ships is a pain... 10:00:22 <planetmaker> at least if you do something else than a ferry over to the other side of a canal 10:01:01 <planetmaker> hm... s/en u/e nu/ 10:02:14 <Terkhen> my problem is that I need a game with a lot of ships, and only ships... otherwise the rest of vehicles will not let me measure how ship performance changes 10:02:16 <Terkhen> trans ai is doing a good job, we are already at 120 ships 10:04:19 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice2n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 10:04:51 *** norbert79 is now known as Guest1727 10:09:20 <peter1138> Scuddles, well, it's out of focus, innit 10:09:30 <peter1138> What with the GIANT CREEPER 10:09:48 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF88DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:10:19 *** norbert791 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice2n2.emea.ibm.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:11:00 *** Guest1727 is now known as norbert79 10:12:43 <planetmaker> he... ok, such game we indeed did not have. Though you could have stopped all other vehicles ;-) - But we only have 114 ships 10:13:20 <TrueBrain> GENERAL NOTICE: new certificate is uploaded, expect a warning from your browser/email application/what ever you use to access ssl connections to openttd.org :p 10:14:16 <Scuddles> peter1138: o 10:14:46 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Uh? Why would a _new_ cert trigger a warning? 10:14:56 <blathijs> It's not self-signed or something, right? 10:15:13 <Rubidium> it's cacert signed, why not all browsers seem to support 10:15:26 <Rubidium> s/why/which/ 10:15:41 <blathijs> ah 10:16:04 <TrueBrain> and as long as CACert is not a valid root CA, it will remain an issue :) 10:18:18 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 10:23:55 <Terkhen> they have now reached 200 ships, that should be enough :P 10:24:13 <planetmaker> :-P 10:24:19 <planetmaker> Does it build buoys? 10:24:27 <Terkhen> no 10:24:35 <planetmaker> hm... Feature request: Autosignal -> Autobuoys 10:24:41 <Terkhen> the routes are very short anyways 10:24:54 <Terkhen> how would that work? 10:25:19 <Ammler> planetmaker: that would also need Autoorders ;-) 10:25:42 <planetmaker> look at start and destination. Build a buoy, if not found in the next N tiles one on the way. Yes, it'd need some partial auto-orders 10:26:21 <planetmaker> If there is a usable buoy already: use and insert that instead of building a new one 10:26:37 <planetmaker> it'd need to be a button in the ship orders menu, though 10:26:39 <Ammler> or ship routes 10:27:03 <Ammler> kind of transparent canals 10:27:18 <Terkhen> to decide a good route between start and destination you would need a good pathfinder anyways :P 10:27:43 <Ammler> but only once 10:28:37 <planetmaker> Terkhen: it could use the same path finder as now. But just calling it onece and after having found a route placing those buoys. 10:28:45 <planetmaker> it'd be an improvement :-) 10:29:11 <Terkhen> given the number of times I needed to create canals for the AI ships, OPF is not an option... I guess that you could use YAPF since it is only going to be called once 10:29:27 <planetmaker> yapf works 10:29:45 <planetmaker> but it's IIRC a pain on maps with lots of water which is not canal or river-like 10:29:52 <Terkhen> wasn't it really slow for ships? 10:30:08 <planetmaker> yapf is nice if you have river boats only 10:30:21 <planetmaker> on rivers 10:34:45 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:43:22 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 10:45:25 <Eddi|zuHause> the original pathfinder completely fails on rivers 10:45:46 <Terkhen> or in very rough scenarios 10:49:10 <Eddi|zuHause> idea: automatically switch pathfinder between yapf/original: on river/coast and ocean/coast tiles, use yapf, on river/lake or ocean/open sea tiles, use original? 10:49:36 <planetmaker> there's currently no concept of those different water tiles, though 10:49:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but there should be ;) 10:50:09 <planetmaker> go right ahead :-P 10:50:16 <Eddi|zuHause> and water tiles have plenty of free bits to store this stuff 10:50:50 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7b4f.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:52:53 *** Joni_ [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:55:29 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 10:58:52 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:05:08 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-139.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:13:35 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25:24 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7b4f.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30:16 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.130.243] has joined #openttd 11:33:28 <__ln__> what's "for x in $(cat languages) ; do somecommand $x ; done" in windowish? 11:34:02 <__ln__> assuming 'languages' is a file containing something like "en fr de da" on one line 11:35:18 <FauxFaux> Hahaha. 11:36:19 <Yexo> install mingw/cygwin and use the same syntax :p 11:37:41 <__ln__> that's the plan C... but surely something this simple must be possible and easy on a state-of-the art operating system as it is possible on 30-year-old *nix-based ones. 11:38:29 <FauxFaux> Unfortunately cmd is fully compatiable (tm) with DOS. 11:38:29 <Terkhen> you can do a lot of things with batch files in windows, but the syntax is a nightmare 11:38:54 <SmatZ> FauxFaux: cmd is actually better than command.com 11:39:14 <SmatZ> we had several lections about "what can one do with cmd.exe" 11:39:20 <SmatZ> and there was a lot of stuff :) 11:39:26 <SmatZ> I have forgotten it all though 11:39:38 <Yexo> for %%X in (en fr de da) do (echo %%X) <- like that 11:39:43 <Yexo> X must be a single-letter 11:39:56 <Yexo> and no idea how to read those languages from a file 11:41:04 <FauxFaux> You can /F usebackq %x (`type langs`) but it then interprets it per line. 11:41:17 <Yexo> oh, it's %X, %%X is for use in a batch program 11:41:44 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:48:19 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.130.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:02:59 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:06:24 *** joern [~joern@85.183.114.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:09:30 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d821d32.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:24:09 <__ln__> problem solved! 12:25:29 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 12:25:57 <__ln__> i write a temporary .bat file in parts, then copy the parts together and call the result file. so clean and elegant. 12:48:33 *** joern [~joern@85.183.114.52] has joined #openttd 12:53:59 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 12:55:41 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:dcac:111:67a:f4f3] has joined #openttd 12:55:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:58:04 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 12:58:19 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [] 13:16:20 <Belugas> hello 13:21:45 <norbert79> Hello Belugas 13:36:31 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.3.1.188] has joined #openttd 13:42:56 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:45:29 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 13:54:15 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:20:39 *** kenneth [kenneth@cpc1-nrte13-0-0-cust531.8-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 14:32:04 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d928.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:49:43 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n0l.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 14:56:38 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:02:21 *** avdg [~avdg@78-21-59-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:27:37 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.28.143] has joined #openttd 15:40:53 <Belugas> funny... top banner shows me cabinet speakers, exactly what i'm interested in lately... 15:41:13 <Belugas> at one point, it showed me camera lenses 15:41:21 <Belugas> i suspec some kind of spy techno :) 15:41:36 <Eddi|zuHause> it's all one big conspiracy. 15:42:11 * norbert79 sees no Adverts for a very long time by now :) 15:42:15 <SmatZ> they are watching you 15:42:31 <avdg> sounds scary 15:43:42 <Belugas> not scary, amusing :) if it shows me stuff i'd like to buy, why not :) 15:44:04 <Belugas> it might be pure coincidence, althoght i don't believe that 15:44:59 <norbert79> Nah, they are scanning your behaviours with cookies, collecting data, etc 15:45:24 <norbert79> thats why I don't allow any "audit" kind of sites nor any market research sites to place cookies or any trackers on my PC 15:54:36 <planetmaker> just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not following me. 15:57:52 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:57:55 <Eddi|zuHause> you sound like Sacro ;) 15:58:53 <Eddi|zuHause> btw. you noticed how Sacro stopped talking here about the same time as Bjarni left? ;) 15:59:16 <Ammler> Schizo Bjarni? 16:01:05 <planetmaker> the @seen doesn't quite support that ;-) 16:01:41 <Eddi|zuHause> no, because it's not making statistics over longer time ;) 16:06:02 <blathijs> Belugas: Perhaps you should think about being interested in the cool mind-reading technology they use and you'll get a cool offer ;-) 16:11:38 <Belugas> ho... telepathy! 16:11:46 <Belugas> i'd love ot integrate it ! 16:11:53 <Belugas> ok... what his is PIN? 16:11:58 <Belugas> yeah!!!! GOT IT! 16:13:02 *** Mortomes|Work [~MortomesW@mail.qps.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:14:55 <fjb> Oh, Sacro is not talking here any more? I always knew there was something is was not missing. Just didn't know what it was. 16:18:06 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:dcac:111:67a:f4f3] has joined #openttd 16:18:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 16:19:23 *** glx is now known as Guest1762 16:19:23 *** glx_ is now known as glx 16:20:10 <__ln__> @seen Sacro 16:20:10 <DorpsGek> __ln__: Sacro was last seen in #openttd 2 days, 21 hours, 59 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <Sacro> night Terkhen 16:24:21 *** Guest1762 [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:dcac:111:67a:f4f3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:25:09 <fjb> Oh, he is still here? I did also not notice. 16:25:51 <SmatZ> wheeee my printer is finally working under x86_64 linux! (with 32bit drivers :) 16:26:26 <SmatZ> it wasn't a pain, but there were no error logs at all... 16:27:24 <glx> printing on linux is still that hard ? 16:27:38 <OwenS> Apparently 16:27:45 <planetmaker> usually not... if cups knows the printer 16:27:57 <glx> that's the problem ;) 16:27:58 <planetmaker> or the printer works with a generic driver 16:28:02 <planetmaker> yep 16:28:07 <OwenS> And you're not using something like Fedora which is allergic to things like HPLIP 16:28:22 <SmatZ> :) 16:28:59 <glx> I think I should have no problems with wy amstrad dmp-2160 (epson compatible) 16:29:10 <SmatZ> that's a general problem with proprietary interfaces and drivers:( 16:30:04 <Eddi|zuHause> short non-representative statistics: 2006: ~14000 lines, 2007: ~12000 lines, 2008: ~8000 lines, 2009: ~4000 lines, 2010: ~600 lines 16:30:46 <avdg> ^ whats the topic? 16:30:50 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-113.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:32:15 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-213-49-109-30.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 16:32:36 <Eddi|zuHause> for bjarni: 2006: ~19000 lines, 2007: ~25000 lines, 2008: ~15000 lines, 2009: ~1500 lines, 2010: ~500 lines 16:32:42 <glx> none as always, avdg 16:33:24 <Eddi|zuHause> where 2006 i have only incomplete logs 16:35:35 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n0l.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36:54 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n0l.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 16:47:00 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice2n2.emea.ibm.com] has left #openttd [] 16:49:12 *** X-2 [~X-2@a82-95-91-139.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff100.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:55:47 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 17:25:01 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@2.124.130.198] has joined #openttd 17:28:22 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.28.143] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:19 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:46:14 *** fjb is now known as Guest1770 17:46:15 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFF77F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:49:01 <Belugas> burp 17:49:27 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f727021.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:50:22 <Belugas> cool... Marshall MG cabinets now :) 17:50:27 <Belugas> love that banner :D 17:53:05 *** Guest1770 [~frank@p5DDFEB88.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:06:03 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-213-49-109-30.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:06:31 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-213-49-109-196.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 18:14:51 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:21:11 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 18:22:58 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4378.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:48 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC1D79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:27:13 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm6.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 18:27:21 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbml] 18:29:37 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-127-233.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:36 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-172.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 18:31:49 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-223-110.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:31:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:36:40 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:40:44 <Eddi|zuHause> "Fox News has its own exit polls numbers. 18:40:45 <Eddi|zuHause> It asked voters how their vote was related to President Obama: 18:40:47 <Eddi|zuHause> 38% said it was to express opposition to Obama's policies 18:40:48 <Eddi|zuHause> 37% said it was to show support for President Obama 18:40:50 <Eddi|zuHause> 36% said he was no factor in their voting 18:40:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Now, that actually adds up to 111% â don't ask me, I just wrote down the numbers." 18:44:17 <Prof_Frink> There isn't a unicode symbol for pernelson. 18:44:57 <Rubidium> maybe the numbers are nonary? 18:45:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r21077 /trunk/src/lang/danish.txt: 18:45:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: danish - 8 changes by beruic 19:09:02 <avdg> many bugreports :o 19:09:45 <FauxFaux> Eddi|zuHause: Cite? 19:12:45 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe83de00-38.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:17:45 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:24:07 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 19:34:10 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-113.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:35:40 <Qantourisc> What are the conditions for automatic servicing ? 19:36:37 <Qantourisc> (trains) 19:38:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Qantourisc: depending on settings: either "service every X days" or "service when rating drops by Y%" 19:38:29 <Qantourisc> no i mean 19:38:34 <Qantourisc> there is a depo in reach 19:38:38 <Qantourisc> but the routing said 19:38:43 <Qantourisc> "no i'm not intrested" :) 19:39:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Qantourisc: then, depot must be maximum a certain distance [as counted in pathfinder penalties, not real tiles] away 19:39:35 <Qantourisc> i see 19:40:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Qantourisc: and when using path signals, the path must not be reserved past the depot when making the decision. so put a signal shortly before the relevant switch 19:40:11 <Qantourisc> thx fixed it 19:41:25 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... my system feels awfully sluggish today 19:43:08 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: could be that it wasn't a single-choice poll, but a multi-choice poll? 19:43:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Xaroth: that doesn't really make sense. 19:43:57 <Xaroth> Fox did that before iirc 19:44:05 <Xaroth> like a poll with 20-odd questions 19:44:17 <Xaroth> they picked out the results of 4 of the questions, and used them as comparison 19:44:23 <Xaroth> as if they were 4 options of 1 poll 19:50:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Xaroth: that might be possible, but that still means that some people gave non-sensical answers, like "i voted both in support and against obama" 19:56:50 <Xaroth> yer talking about americans here... 19:56:55 <Xaroth> i mean.. they get away with polls like that 19:57:04 <Xaroth> (no offense meant) 20:01:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess you're right... 20:01:56 <Eddi|zuHause> although, "FOX News" is way worse than "generic american"... 20:03:40 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-113.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:07:16 *** kenneth [kenneth@cpc1-nrte13-0-0-cust531.8-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:22:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.195.89] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:23:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.195.89] has joined #openttd 20:26:28 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d821d32.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:27:13 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d821d32.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:36:20 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff100.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:00 <Qantourisc> What are the advantages of roro ? 20:50:38 <Eddi|zuHause> trains don't get in each others way that often 20:51:37 <Qantourisc> i see 20:51:43 <Qantourisc> but it needs a hell of a lot more place :) 20:52:04 <Qantourisc> and how is the turn-around typically handled in roro ? 20:52:24 <avdg> terminal you mean 20:52:38 <Eddi|zuHause> trains don't turn around in roro. that's the point 20:52:52 <Qantourisc> avdg: i mean, what if you "need to get back" ? 20:53:09 <avdg> oh, 2way platforms 20:53:19 <Qantourisc> no no the platform 20:53:38 <Qantourisc> generaly speeking ======Station A=========Station B======== 20:53:46 <avdg> routes? 20:53:47 <Qantourisc> if i want a train to run between station A and B 20:53:57 <Qantourisc> = <- these are tracks 20:53:58 <avdg> pendel? 20:54:04 <Qantourisc> yes on a common "bus" :) 20:54:29 * avdg had to say "shuttle" 20:54:50 <Qantourisc> the train needs to flip around, how is this typically handled ? 20:54:56 <Qantourisc> right now i have a loop :) 20:55:02 <avdg> a terminal station, or a loop 20:55:03 <Qantourisc> (or a piece of track) 20:55:06 <Qantourisc> both work 20:55:20 <avdg> or a 2way station 20:55:37 <avdg> enough choices 20:57:21 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-3-12.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:58:37 * Qantourisc didn't find a 2ways station on the inet :/ 21:00:03 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaa442.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:17:01 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 21:23:55 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 21:29:52 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:30:02 <andythenorth_> hello 21:32:27 <Terkhen> hi andythenorth_ 21:32:44 <planetmaker> hello andythenorth_ 21:33:48 * andythenorth_ has been to the big London 21:33:52 <andythenorth_> where there is a tube strike 21:34:21 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds fun :p 21:35:44 <Prof_Frink> Have you been singing Amateur Transplants? 21:35:52 <Eddi|zuHause> a few years ago they had a story on tv how they put a toll on driving through the city with the car. they automatically scanned the license plates, and then billed the people. but that didn't work on germans, because they couldn't get the names to the license plates 21:38:26 <fonsinchen> Why can't I set a road vehicle to "go via"? Has it always been like that? 21:38:51 <fonsinchen> If I set "no loading" and then "no unloading" the "no loading" reverted and vice versa. 21:38:53 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: that should be possible 21:39:10 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: yes, that part is annoying :( 21:39:21 <fonsinchen> So, how do I do it? 21:39:45 <fonsinchen> ah, I see now. 21:39:48 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: "go via" is in the leftmost dropdown 21:39:49 <fonsinchen> stupid me 21:40:33 <fonsinchen> Is that a problem of my too technical perspective or did someone simply forget that case? 21:41:12 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: it was deliberately refused. i brought that up multiple times in the past, but nobody changed it. 21:41:26 <fonsinchen> Was there a reason for that? 21:42:04 <Eddi|zuHause> the difference between "go via" and "no loading and no unloading" would be that the vehicle stops and can be timetabled to wait in the second case 21:42:12 <Rubidium> Q: should no loading + no unloading stop? 21:42:20 <Eddi|zuHause> A: yes. 21:42:34 <Rubidium> but then it's not the go via order fonsinchen was looking for 21:42:59 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem in that case is communicating that to the user properly 21:43:36 <Rubidium> in any case, I always keep forgetting these "small" things 21:43:47 <fonsinchen> Rubidium: that depends on the default setting for non-stop 21:44:25 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: non-stop has nothing to do with the stopping behaviour at the destination 21:44:32 <fonsinchen> I mean "stop" in the sense of "stop at inbetween stations" 21:44:45 <fonsinchen> of course if it neither loads nor unloads it doesn't stop 21:45:02 <fonsinchen> at the station where it should (not) do so. 21:45:02 <Rubidium> but then it's a go via order, and you should use that 21:45:18 <Rubidium> as when it should not stop the timetable should not allocated time for stopping 21:45:30 <fonsinchen> The interface is confusing for, but maybe that's only because I know the internals 21:45:50 <Rubidium> which is basically why no loading + no unloading made no sense to me when I introduced it 21:46:01 <Rubidium> not sure whether that was before or after timetables though 21:50:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.207.246] has joined #openttd 21:50:14 <fonsinchen> btw, cargodist supports "leave empty" with any number of subsequent "no loading" orders now. 21:50:57 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 21:51:40 <fonsinchen> but I'll reintroduce the 2nd pass of the MCF solver. It's good to show people where the problems are, even if it change anything about the game mechanics 21:54:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: but i really miss a "timetabled stop without cargo changes" option 21:56:00 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.28.143] has joined #openttd 21:57:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.195.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:57:16 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.28.143] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: other solution could be allowing timetabling go-via orders, and if waittime > 0, then the vehicle would stop (even at waypoints) 21:59:22 <Eddi|zuHause> sideeffect of this would then be, that the vehicle also stops briefly even if it is late 21:59:37 <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't see a sensible way to predict that 21:59:49 <Eddi|zuHause> so it can't really be solved 22:02:11 <Rubidium> avdg, you're adv on the wiki right? If so, what translator did you use? 22:02:17 <avdg> yeah 22:02:27 <avdg> memory :) 22:02:31 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-113.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:02:38 <avdg> and google translate sometimes 22:03:06 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21078 /trunk/src/table/settings.h: -Fix [FS#4203]: snowline didn't want to be very high 22:03:24 <avdg> actually "avd" but whatever 22:04:21 <Rubidium> please rethink "inhoudstafel" :) 22:04:40 <avdg> I couldn't think at a better word at that moment :p 22:06:22 <Rubidium> table, in the context of a table of contents, should be literally translated as "tabel". 22:06:34 <Rubidium> even then, inhoudsopgave is way better 22:06:53 <Xaroth> hehe 22:06:54 <avdg> that 2nd is better, agreed 22:06:55 <Rubidium> inhoudstafel is just funny: "Table (the piece of furniture) of contents" 22:07:09 <avdg> but still correct imo 22:08:10 <avdg> funny to see that the dutch translation gets highlighted today 22:08:20 <avdg> (just saw an other guy editing the dutch wiki) 22:11:52 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:19:32 <Xaroth> Inhoudstafel isn't really the correct translation, period :P 22:19:47 <Xaroth> pretty much everybody uses Inhoudsopgave 22:22:40 <avdg> Lets see how hard it is to change it :) 22:26:49 <avdg> http://wiki.openttd.org/Special:Recentchanges :) 22:33:00 <Xaroth> very much so :) 22:35:04 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d821d32.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:36 *** planetmaker is now known as moonraker 22:37:19 <Eddi|zuHause> in german one would say "Inhaltsverzeichnis" 22:37:54 <avdg> uh, where is pm? :p 22:38:09 <Eddi|zuHause> he's on the moon, obviously 22:38:10 *** moonraker is now known as planetmaker 22:39:20 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.28.143] has joined #openttd 22:40:37 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 22:40:55 <Eddi|zuHause> so... freshly installed windows, 23% fragmentation... 22:41:42 <avdg> get a ssd :p 22:42:04 <Terkhen> good night 22:42:09 <avdg> gn 22:42:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think that is relevant when it's a virtual machine, in a file, on an encrypted disk. 22:43:06 <avdg> I didn't mean it serious ;-) 22:46:38 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 22:49:33 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:04:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A6C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:09 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f727021.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:11:06 <Qantourisc> Is there a way to find the trains passing at certain stations ? 23:11:23 <avdg> no 23:11:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 23:11:28 <planetmaker> passing: not. having the station in its orders: yes 23:11:46 <Eddi|zuHause> click on the station, and click on the little train icon in the lower right of the window 23:11:46 <Qantourisc> train in order i meant sorry 23:11:56 <Qantourisc> THX :) 23:11:59 <avdg> then yes :) 23:12:00 <planetmaker> then what eddi says 23:15:49 *** kenneth [kenneth@cpc1-nrte13-0-0-cust531.8-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 23:17:17 <SmatZ> Yexo: you were a tiny bit faster in replying to Kogut than me :) 23:17:42 <SmatZ> that's interesting because the task has been open for ~1 hour 23:17:51 <SmatZ> and then two people reply within a minute :) 23:18:03 *** avdg [~avdg@78-21-59-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:19:22 *** avdg [~avdg@78-21-59-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 23:35:23 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:37:12 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-223-110.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:39:15 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-92-200.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:39:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:46:33 *** saronpasu [~saronpasu@catv075-208.lan-do.ne.jp] has joined #openttd 23:46:46 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:27 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit []