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00:03:10 *** Amis_ [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 00:05:53 *** Chillosophy [~fu@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 00:09:03 *** Amis [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:10:20 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.50.226] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:13:26 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77F69.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:13:27 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77F69.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:14:40 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 00:17:21 *** xi23 [~xi23@ip-85-160-5-35.eurotel.cz] has joined #openttd 00:17:22 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77F69.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:17:38 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77F69.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:18:13 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-123-134.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:22:04 <AveiMil> If I wanted make a new line with a piece of information on each train in the in-game GUI 00:22:04 *** avdg [~avdg@78-21-59-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:22:07 <AveiMil> is taht possible via NewGRF? 00:22:29 <AveiMil> like where it says Power: 00:23:13 *** avdg [~avdg@78-21-59-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 00:33:11 *** Amis_ [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:42:23 <lugo> AveiMil, i'm sure i've seen that in various train sets 00:43:49 <lugo> like for some locos, it had additional info on what it's to be used with and which 'model' it was 00:50:26 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC35C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 00:52:58 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.50.226] has joined #openttd 01:07:47 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.104.150] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 01:13:44 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17:59 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db196bd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:22:40 <AveiMil> ty 01:22:43 *** AveiMil [~AveiMil@232.81-166-168.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 01:33:26 <Wolf01> 'night 01:33:29 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host98-95-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 01:39:46 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:43:55 *** avdg [~avdg@78-21-59-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:45:20 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.50.226] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:01:04 *** Mortomes|Work [~MortomesW@mail.qps.nl] has joined #openttd 02:12:52 <SmatZ> silly KDE/X stealing my Ctrl+Fn :x 02:25:44 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 02:26:58 *** Mortomes|Work [~MortomesW@mail.qps.nl] has quit [] 02:37:18 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 02:39:02 <supermop> Hello all 02:48:39 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a19b:a9c3:842d:8e32] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:49:53 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:51:26 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-112.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 02:52:29 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 02:57:05 <supermop> so, I have a question regarding .nfo 03:02:24 <supermop> not sure if anyone that can heelp is on/awake, but I am having trouble with varaction 2 04:21:08 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d189.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:34:42 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 05:48:50 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 05:55:39 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77F69.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:55:55 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77B18.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:46:20 *** saronpasu [~saronpasu@catv075-208.lan-do.ne.jp] has joined #openttd 06:51:14 *** ogre [~ogre@par69-2-82-224-40-212.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: ouais bah a plus ouais c'est ça] 07:03:15 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC35C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:07:20 *** xi23 [~xi23@ip-85-160-5-35.eurotel.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:16:15 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@2.124.130.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:20:37 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:26:42 <Terkhen> good morning 07:27:02 <Qantourisc> morning 07:35:20 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC35C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 07:36:39 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3AFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:37:27 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:40:03 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:41:53 <xiong> Good morning! 07:44:01 <xiong> How was this station built? (http://wiki.openttd.org/Image:Sharedepicterminus.png) -- When I try to build tunnels side-by-side, with level track between them, I run into difficulty. The level track is unsupported on both sides; it can't be shored up with embankments so as to remain level. Are those level tracks bridged?? I can't tell from the graphics set. 07:45:46 <xiong> I can duplicate that by bridging the level track, but very short bridges incur a severe penalty. 07:47:10 <xiong> I have also worked on a similar design in which, instead of alternating entries and exits, they are paired off. This is, at least, constructible. 07:50:58 <planetmaker> good morning 07:51:11 <planetmaker> xiong: note that the tunnels there are NOT side-by-side 07:51:42 <planetmaker> and it's clearly visible that there are bridges involved 07:53:28 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 07:53:37 <xiong> The tunnels are on alternate tracks -- if you number the tracks from the appropriate side, the even tracks are tunnels, the odd tracks are level. That's what I meant by "side-by-side, with level track between them". 07:54:15 <xiong> It's not clearly visible to me that there are bridges. That's what I meant by "I can't tell from the graphics set." 07:54:51 <xiong> And I still don't see the point, due to the short bridge penalty. 07:55:34 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:56:00 <xiong> Pairing the entrances and exits -- that is, 1-2 entry, 3-4 exit, 5-6 entry, 7-8 exit and so on -- removes the necessity of bridges. 07:57:41 <Rubidium> moi 07:57:49 <Terkhen> good morning Rubidium 07:57:55 <Terkhen> and planetmaker :) 07:58:09 <planetmaker> hello Terkhen & Rubidium 08:04:03 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe3fdc00-230.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:07:07 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 08:07:34 *** norbert79 is now known as Guest494 08:07:48 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:08:30 *** Guest494 is now known as norbert79 08:09:10 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-214.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:09:57 <xiong> I would have liked to understand what that guy had in mind. 08:12:35 <Qantourisc> xiong: when did he say it ? 08:12:36 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 08:12:40 <Qantourisc> maybe i understand ? 08:13:26 <xiong> Qantourisc, I pasted in a link to a shot. 08:13:43 <Qantourisc> xiong: whats with the shot ? 08:14:08 <xiong> Um, rather than just blindly repeat myself, please check the scrollback and ask for clarification, which I'll be happy to provide, if I can. 08:14:25 <Qantourisc> when did you say it a few mins ago ? 08:14:36 <xiong> Yah; you've been on. 08:14:43 <Qantourisc> but not reading :) 08:14:55 <Qantourisc> i'll check the last hour logs but no more without a timestamp 08:14:56 <xiong> Sorry; do you have scrollback? 08:15:32 <xiong> Not so far back, not at all. May have gone off your screen but it was just half an hour ago. 08:15:53 <xiong> (http://wiki.openttd.org/Image:Sharedepicterminus.png) is the shot in question. 08:16:47 <Qantourisc> xiong: will you host a game or shall i ? 08:17:02 <Qantourisc> then we could sandbox it and see the problem ? 08:17:50 <xiong> Well, it's not dynamic. I just can't build that design without using very short bridges. 08:18:20 <xiong> ... which seems, to me, to make moot the advantage of tunnels on the other set of tracks. 08:18:40 <Qantourisc> xiong: the image proves you can use tunnels 08:18:41 <xiong> I can theorize all day about why he built what he built. 08:19:18 <Qantourisc> Do you wish to build the screenshot ? 08:19:18 <xiong> Qantourisc, Look closely. I can barely see it; the graphics set is unfamiliar to me. The tracks that don't tunnel are bridged -- level bridges, very short. 08:19:39 <Qantourisc> i see it perfectly 08:19:46 <Qantourisc> that's why i offerted to host a game... 08:20:19 <xiong> Sorry; I just don't seem to be making myself clear. I can duplicate that design, given the short bridges. 08:20:37 <Qantourisc> the image has NO bridges 08:20:47 <planetmaker> Qantourisc: it has. 08:20:52 <planetmaker> three 08:20:57 <Qantourisc> then i got the wrong image somehow :) 08:21:03 * Qantourisc repastes the link 08:21:23 <Qantourisc> aaa yes 08:21:24 <xiong> Ah. Well, now, that is the question. I can barely make them out, and are suspicious of them, because they make no sense to me. They are required but their price -- in terms of speed -- seems excessive. 08:22:08 <xiong> Nor are they required to accomplish the same general goal, if entrances and exits are paired before alternation. 08:22:15 <planetmaker> then build the setup without. It's feasable 08:22:25 <planetmaker> exactly. 08:22:27 <xiong> "without"? 08:22:31 <Qantourisc> bridges ? 08:22:34 <planetmaker> yes 08:23:06 <xiong> That's my whole point. I can't build that design, exactly as shown, without using short bridges. I'd like to try to understand why they were used, if anyone has some idea of it. 08:23:37 <planetmaker> they're fast enough for monorail. IIRC those are tubular bridges 08:23:53 <xiong> At first, I hoped I might just be ignorant of some basic thing, and that the design could be built, say, by putting the level track in before lowering the land, or the reverse, both of which I've tried. 08:24:03 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 08:24:21 <Qantourisc> xiong: there is another solution: 08:24:25 <Qantourisc> lower the station level 08:24:34 <xiong> Another thought of mine was that the short bridge penalty was considered irrelevant, since the trains must slow on approach to the station anyway. 08:24:51 <Qantourisc> i was thinking that too :D 08:24:57 <Qantourisc> also 08:25:01 <Qantourisc> another solution: 08:25:04 <Qantourisc> use them on the exit 08:25:19 <Qantourisc> when you are using weigth x10 your trains won't be up to speed anyway :D 08:25:40 <xiong> Um, no, Sir, sorry. Same issue. You can't have tracks on two levels in strict alternation without bridges. I don't think. 08:26:11 <Qantourisc> wait let me cook up a screenshot 08:27:59 <xiong> Hmm... I'm doing something now with two levels of tunnels. 08:28:48 <xiong> I think there's a short tunnel penalty too, though. I read up on that... now I need to track down the page again. 08:32:42 <Qantourisc> http://imagebin.org/122771 08:32:46 <Qantourisc> that ? 08:34:48 <xiong> Okay, well, that only uses one level of tunnels and none are very short. But none of the tracks are level, either. That certainly should work okay, provided the tracks that don't tunnel are used as the entrances. 08:35:20 <Qantourisc> just an idea / variation 08:35:24 <Qantourisc> might inspire a better idea :) 08:35:31 <xiong> I tend to dislike asymmetric solutions. Trains seem to slide toward the shorter route. 08:35:45 <Qantourisc> it's also a dragt 08:35:47 <Qantourisc> *draft 08:35:57 <Qantourisc> quick slapup, i didn't look for symmetic :) 08:36:06 <planetmaker> Qantourisc: you now have in your solution half the tracks accessible only at a speed of 60km/h or so 08:36:13 <planetmaker> much less at least than thebridges 08:36:28 <xiong> Sometimes, of course, that's the way to go. When I enter an asymmetric junction, I tend to try to bring trains up to a waiting spot before or afterwards. 08:37:00 <planetmaker> also your tunnels are longer, such throughput is also limited 08:37:09 <Qantourisc> planetmaker: sorry i'm not used to monrail :) 08:37:19 <Qantourisc> planetmaker: my trains at run at 75km :) 08:37:26 <planetmaker> my arguments hold for every train track 08:37:28 <xiong> planetmaker, Are you saying, speed limited because of the slope? Or the tight curves? 08:37:35 <planetmaker> curves 08:37:52 <xiong> Yah, that's another issue. But I don't find those tunnels long. 08:38:14 <planetmaker> also you need signals between tunnels and the x 08:38:16 <Qantourisc> they are longer, but thats mainly because i just drafterd it 08:38:33 <xiong> Agree that it could be slightly compacted. 08:38:38 <Rubidium> planetmaker: in the wiki version of the terminus you can probably get away with the bridges and use shorted tunnels without any (apparant) downsides 08:38:46 <xiong> Let me show you the pairwise setup, though -- when I get it together. 08:39:25 <xiong> Rubidium, I can't seem to find the page explaining the short bridge penalty; I can't remember if there is a short tunnel penalty. 08:39:32 <xiong> Perhaps I should build a test track. 08:39:40 *** Mortomes|Work [~MortomesW@mail.qps.nl] has joined #openttd 08:39:58 <planetmaker> quite indeed, Rubidium 08:42:03 <planetmaker> gosh... spammers again :( 08:42:15 <Qantourisc> where ? 08:42:18 *** DDR_ [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 08:42:49 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/presto.png 08:43:13 <Qantourisc> nice 08:43:42 <Qantourisc> what about just crossing the rails ? 08:43:48 <SpComb> Rubidium: lame! 08:44:15 <Qantourisc> that would cause tomany locks right ? 08:44:21 <SpComb> Rubidium: read the signalling howto's, there's this cool new Path signals feature someone introduced 08:44:36 <Rubidium> SpComb: definitely; I wouldn't design my stations that way. There are way too many places where different tracks would lock eachother up 08:45:15 <Rubidium> it was merely to point out that the previous design can be done without bridges 08:47:12 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:47:13 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 08:47:51 <SmatZ> morning 08:47:59 <SpComb> in real-world terminuses I also join those together 08:48:40 <xiong> (http://imagebin.org/122772) With TTRS, in 1877. The first two bridges are concrete and limited to 30 mi/h. The rest are suspension and good for 50 mi/h. I assume similar limits in future, scaled up. 08:48:55 <planetmaker> salut SmatZ 08:49:38 <xiong> Ah. Good, Rubidium. You avoid the bridging by staggering the tunnels. 08:50:43 <SpComb> http://projects.qmsk.net/pngtile/screenshots/20091218/2002.png#16878:13965:0 08:51:07 <SpComb> although it's a bit of a bad example since I had to hack it a little due to some obscure train 08:51:40 <SpComb> since they can come in on one track but leave on two entirely different tracks 08:52:02 <SpComb> no space to build a path from both of those tracks for that one train 08:52:45 *** Eddi|zuHause3 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 08:53:35 <norbert79> SpComb: How did you make this screenshot? 08:53:42 <norbert79> SpComb: This rocks! :) 08:54:41 <SmatZ> hello planetmaker :) 08:55:05 <SpComb> norbert79: old hat! 08:55:36 <norbert79> SpComb: Me? Not that old, yet I am over 30.. Or the screenshot itself? :) 08:55:37 <xiong> Damn antennas. There were no antennas in 1850. Lighthouses, yes, near the shore. 08:55:52 <SpComb> norbert79: the screenshot itself 08:56:15 <norbert79> SpComb: Old or not, I like it! 08:56:37 <norbert79> SpComb: How are such screenshots to be done? I mean how can I create tiled screenshots? 08:57:48 *** asnoehu [~thok@524B7349.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Idealism is great until you realize that someone has to pay for it, and that someone is always, without exception, YOU.] 08:58:17 <Eddi|zuHause> with pngtile, obviously :p 08:58:34 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: Yeah, I had this hunch too, but never used it yet :D 09:00:20 <SpComb> it's a dynamic python app 09:00:29 <SpComb> with a custom C library 09:00:48 <norbert79> Aaaah 09:00:52 <norbert79> Thank you 09:05:27 *** AveiMil [~AveiMil@232.81-166-168.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 09:06:09 *** asnoehu [~thok@524B7349.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:12:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21143 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: reduce the number of dereferences in UpdateStationWaiting 09:13:55 <Qantourisc> is loading also counted as travel time ? 09:14:06 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 09:15:05 <Eddi|zuHause> no 09:15:22 <Qantourisc> god :) 09:15:24 <Qantourisc> *good 09:15:27 <Qantourisc> even if waiting for goods ? 09:15:37 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 09:15:44 <Qantourisc> good :) 09:16:21 <Qantourisc> ofcours when the train is loaded more speed goes down :) 09:16:44 <Qantourisc> i wonder if a second locomotive is worth the cost 09:28:21 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-214.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:41:35 *** V453000 is now known as Guest497 09:53:38 <xiong> Rubidium, that is a winner. 09:54:36 <xiong> This all started with my plan to build giant trunk line transfer stations. Playing with a station spread of 18, the question is: How many station platforms can I cram into that square? 09:56:01 <xiong> I figure that half the tracks should be local and the other half the trunk line passing through. More or less. I completed one such station, with 18 trunk tracks, each 8 platforms long; and two sets of 8 local 6-longs. But it's not pretty. 09:56:24 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@225.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 10:05:31 <Bluelight> How do I register on a IRC channel? 10:05:46 <xiong> I will tell something else, though it may be truly silly -- I don't know. I have covered the entire catchment area of each transfer station with road. My theory is that this will keep any industry from founding there; any industry in the catchment would steal all deliveries of its input cargo. 10:05:46 <Bluelight> Not registering the channel but my nick.. 10:06:23 <xiong> Bluelight, I will be happy to help you with that but it's real OT for this chan. Would you like to /query me? 10:06:46 <Bluelight> OT? 10:07:12 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:07:41 <xiong> Erm, "off topic". New to IRC? 10:07:54 <Qantourisc> dam AI is putting stuff in the way :D 10:08:05 <Bluelight> I'm registering on some other channel. But I'm not able to ask there since they require registration 10:08:12 <xiong> Qantourisc, Yah. Ask me again why I play on my own. 10:08:27 <Qantourisc> xiong: why do you play on your own ? 10:08:38 <xiong> Bluelight, Type "/query xiong", without the quotes. 10:08:53 <xiong> Qantourisc, Because I expect the damn AI to put stuff in my way. 10:08:56 <Qantourisc> :) 10:09:27 <planetmaker> Bluelight: or just use /ns help 10:10:49 <AveiMil> There's a limit as to how far Cargo Ships can travel? 10:11:04 <AveiMil> "Can't insert new orders, too far from previous order." 10:11:08 <AveiMil> Dosen't look taht far though 10:11:18 <AveiMil> About half a 256 tile map 10:11:27 <Terkhen> AveiMil: you need to add buoys 10:12:48 <AveiMil> ah, thanks 10:23:29 *** Joni_ [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:26:19 <xiong> AveiMil, Beware that most early ships are damn slow. You will not have a profitable line if the fish rots before it gets to a harbor. 10:29:36 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:33:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21144 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Change [FS#4206]: filter stations by cargo they have a rating for instead of having cargo waiting 10:34:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21145 /trunk/src/ (economy.cpp station_cmd.cpp): -Fix: station list wasn't updated when a new cargo got a rating 10:41:36 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3AFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 10:43:55 <AveiMil> I'm developing a NewGRF 10:43:57 <AveiMil> that fixes that :) 10:44:59 <AveiMil> Or makes ship more viable, rather 10:51:16 <AveiMil> planetmaker, PR_BUILD_VEHICLE_WAGON dosen't seem to work 10:52:01 <AveiMil> Or I've misunderstood it's purpose. 10:52:03 <planetmaker> AveiMil: can you make a bug report, best with a test newgrf attached? 10:52:09 <AveiMil> Supposed to make train wagons more expensive, right? 10:52:18 <AveiMil> *control their cost I mean 10:52:55 <AveiMil> sure, where was that again? 10:53:02 <AveiMil> and how do I fix it manually, basecost.py? 10:54:15 <planetmaker> I don't ask for a fix. I ask for a description and test grf in the bug tracker. 10:54:48 <planetmaker> other than that basecost.py might be right 10:54:59 <AveiMil> yeah, I was asking for a fix :) 10:55:08 <AveiMil> link me where I do that again 10:55:31 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:55:59 <AveiMil> I don't see anything wrong in basecost.py though, not with my untrained eyes 10:59:57 <AveiMil> Do you know what the problem is? 11:03:38 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d821f1c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:04:54 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/issues 11:05:08 <planetmaker> I don't and I don't have time now 11:05:37 <AveiMil> Do I really need to attach the NewGRF considering the only description required is "PR_BUILD_VEHICLE_WAGON does not do anything"? 11:07:02 <planetmaker> probably not. But you seem to have a newgrf at hand... 11:07:30 <AveiMil> I can't tell how to open a new issue 11:08:03 <planetmaker> click on 'new issue' in the menu on the top 11:08:33 <AveiMil> ah 11:21:17 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:27:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:36 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-112.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:47:28 <planetmaker> i just managed to get a brief glimps, AveiMil. It works for me. 11:48:06 <planetmaker> (and now it would have paid off to make a proper bug report with 'this newgrf with this code doesn't work under these circumstances) 11:53:17 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:e84a:91d2:2f8a:1a37] has joined #openttd 11:53:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:02:48 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFF29A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:09:37 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:09:57 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFF29A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:12:33 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.104.150] has joined #openttd 12:18:16 <norbert79> For our german buddies: Air traffic control: http://ruthe.de/cartoons/strip_1278.jpg 12:18:40 <norbert79> Sorry, security check.. Where is my mind... 12:21:58 <planetmaker> :-P 12:24:38 <AveiMil> planetmaker, you're right, I'm sorry 12:25:25 <AveiMil> but there definetly is a bug, but not directly linked to the variable. I'll make a new bug report and upload the newGrf where it dosen't work. 12:26:34 <planetmaker> please also and especially the source code 12:26:48 <AveiMil> uploading the entire project in a zip 12:27:02 <planetmaker> the grf works certainly by the specs ;-) - just not the compiler 12:28:23 <planetmaker> wow. Google's preview for searches is not that bad... 12:29:13 <AveiMil> done, hope that's better 12:29:30 <AveiMil> *afk for a bit 12:36:02 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has joined #openttd 12:48:34 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@225.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.12/20101026210630]] 12:50:42 *** Aamodt [~8b698881@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:51:28 <Aamodt> hey , how do i start Openttd server? when im in SSH it always ask me for graphics driver. i want to run a dedicated server without graphics, are that posiable ? 12:52:52 <norbert79> openttd -D 12:53:00 <norbert79> check the command line options in MAN 12:53:03 <glevans2> http://wiki.openttd.org/Dedicated_Servers 12:53:11 <norbert79> or that 12:53:34 <norbert79> @dedicated 12:53:49 <norbert79> ok, wrong one :) 12:53:57 <glevans2> btw norbert79, I don't speak german, but found that strip funny anyway... 12:54:07 <norbert79> glevans2: :) 12:55:14 *** Jolteon [~Leftie@109.73.163.17] has quit [Quit: Speech Thewapy Wools OK?] 12:57:16 *** Guest497 is now known as V453000 12:57:32 <Aamodt> i did do -D . did try also -f -D but still no background process created 12:58:01 *** Jolteon [~Leftie@109.73.163.17] has joined #openttd 12:58:40 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@zomg.dongues.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58:44 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@zomg.dongues.com] has joined #openttd 12:59:50 <Aamodt> it is a Virtual server which runs on VM ESXi , checked all "required" libs and such but still failed hm ^^ 13:00:48 <Aamodt> Error: Failed to find a graphics set. Please acquire a graphics set for OpenTTD. See section 4.1 of readme.txt. <- is not another executable for server ? seems like the dedicated server wants to run in graphics mode 13:01:24 <Rubidium> doesn't matter. It still needs the graphics sets 13:02:31 <Rubidium> primarily because "graphics set" isn't a 100% correct description of the file. E.g. it contains some data needed for map generation and some other non-GUI data 13:03:48 <norbert79> Aamodt: To translate it to plain english: You need the basic GRF files for running it. Try using OpenGFX 13:06:03 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 13:07:29 <glevans2> Aamodt, if you have a working client install, just copy over the graphics files from there to your dedicated server's directory structure 13:07:52 <Aamodt> hehe , seems like i got it to work :) have a nice day 13:08:04 <norbert79> You are welcome 13:08:39 <Aamodt> installed it from the svn : ) but yeah just needed to correct the ttd original files 13:09:00 <norbert79> what did you install from svn? 13:09:15 <norbert79> The server? 13:09:50 <norbert79> (The OpenTTD Server I mean) 13:10:03 <planetmaker> [14:02] <Rubidium> primarily because "graphics set" isn't a 100% correct description of the file. E.g. it contains some data needed for map generation and some other non-GUI data <-- maybe we should rename it to "base data" instead of "base graphics"? 13:10:15 <planetmaker> Or should we remove the old terrain generator? 13:10:37 <planetmaker> or re-write it such that it looks for the height maps in openttd.grf / extra.grf? 13:10:38 <TrueBrain> or move it to its own file :p 13:10:42 <planetmaker> :-) 13:11:09 <planetmaker> forget about extra / openttd.grf 13:12:11 <norbert79> Why don't you rename it to 'terrain.grf'? :) 13:12:19 <Rubidium> or just leave it as is and beef up the explanation about the "graphics set" in readme.txt 13:12:23 <TrueBrain> renaming is not an option :p 13:12:47 <Rubidium> norbert79: because Chris, in all his eternal wisdom, didn't put only terrain graphics in the particularly needed GRF 13:12:48 <Aamodt> the openttd.cfg does that apply to the server aswell ? 13:13:09 <Aamodt> yeah 13:13:11 <Aamodt> sorry ; ) 13:13:12 <Aamodt> hhe 13:13:19 <norbert79> Rubidium: Never mind, it was just an idea :) 13:13:42 <Rubidium> even then, there's quite some code that in some way depends on at least some meta data from the graphics 13:14:28 <norbert79> Lets rename it to 'Base dataset', and problem solved ;-) 13:14:34 <Rubidium> i.e. there's quite some contamination of _gui.cpp code being called on the server 13:17:40 <Rubidium> norbert79: we're calling them collectively "third party data files" 13:17:40 <norbert79> Rubidium: Weird description, considering, that no else game can provide those GRF, but the original series :) 13:17:40 <Rubidium> naming a subset of the data files as data files is only going to make the problem worse 13:17:40 <Rubidium> norbert79: OpenGFX and friends are from the original series? 13:17:40 <Rubidium> even then, there are at least three different sets of original data files 13:17:40 <Rubidium> (and then I'm excluding the music) 13:17:40 <norbert79> Rubidium: I know... Oh, void my thoughts on this, I had just some rough morning, can't think too well 13:18:45 <planetmaker> [14:18] <norbert79> Rubidium: Weird description, considering, that no else game can provide those GRF, but the original series :) <--- pfffft! 13:19:00 <norbert79> planetmaker: Alright, alright... Jeez :) 13:19:36 <planetmaker> we have base graphics and sound for two years, base music for about one :-) 13:21:00 <planetmaker> and their existance basically triggered the step from 0.7 to 1.0 ;-) 13:23:41 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:34:19 *** Aamodt [~8b698881@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:35:35 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d189.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:37:05 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-83-18.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:39:03 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-57-127.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:39:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:47:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host98-95-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 13:47:37 <Wolf01> hello 13:47:42 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@225.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 13:51:32 <Qantourisc> OMG 13:51:37 <Qantourisc> the ai has LITTERED the map ! 13:51:45 <Qantourisc> i'll restart :/ 13:53:32 <planetmaker> just reset the ai 13:58:18 *** murr5y is now known as murr4y 14:00:14 *** svip [~svip@prussia.theinfosphere.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:20 *** svip [~svip@prussia.theinfosphere.org] has joined #openttd 14:02:55 *** peter1138 [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:57 *** peter1138 [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has joined #openttd 14:03:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 14:04:35 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:11 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 14:08:46 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 14:08:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 14:11:29 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:11:47 <Belugas> hello 14:12:07 <SmatZ> hello Belugas 14:16:07 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:16:20 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 14:22:06 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 14:32:11 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@95.154.197.17] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:29 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@95.154.197.17] has joined #openttd 14:35:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:35:51 *** peter1138 [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:35:53 *** peter1138 [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has joined #openttd 14:35:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 14:36:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:37:08 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:38:50 *** luckzy [~lkz@luckz.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38:52 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has joined #openttd 14:42:42 <norbert79> @svn 14:42:42 <DorpsGek> norbert79: SVN: svn:///trunk ; WebSVN: http:/// 14:42:56 <norbert79> Whops, somethings broke there 14:43:11 <norbert79> @grfcodec 14:43:56 <planetmaker> I think those never worked 14:44:10 <planetmaker> http://www.openttd.org/download-XXX 14:44:27 <planetmaker> where XXX=grfcodec|trunk|stable|opengfx|... 14:45:02 <norbert79> Would be nice having this in the bot too, but thank you planetmaker :) 14:45:16 <norbert79> Just wanted to update my copy of grfcodec 14:53:04 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@225.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.12/20101026210630]] 14:53:07 <Belugas> hello sir SmatZ :) sorry for lag ;) 14:53:27 <SmatZ> :-) 15:03:40 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:04:01 *** avdg [~avdg@78-21-59-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:07:42 * Belugas is on Hard Casle 15:07:46 <Belugas> perfect mood for the day 15:07:51 <Belugas> Castle 15:08:47 <SmatZ> :-) 15:09:55 <AveiMil> Yexo, that dosen't make sense :( 15:10:18 <AveiMil> If I take the entire basecost block and put it in a new NewGRF file where NO viehcles are defined at all. 15:10:27 <AveiMil> The cost for the wagons are increased correctly. 15:10:44 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA563.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:11:25 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 15:11:33 <Eddi|zuHause> base costs behave differently depending on whether you define vehicles or not. 15:13:18 <AveiMil> kind of stupid, it's a lot of work to include all the wagons in the NewGRF 15:14:04 <Yexo> it is made this way to multiple vehicle newgrfs sets can coexist in the same game 15:14:58 <AveiMil> can you call one NewGRF from another? 15:15:33 <planetmaker> yes and no 15:15:48 <planetmaker> there are strong limits on what you can do to other newgrfs 15:16:10 <AveiMil> I've just created a "Wagon_Bug.grf" which has that one line that increases wagon costs. 15:16:17 <AveiMil> and then I want to call taht from my main.grf mod file 15:16:31 <planetmaker> but vehicle newgrfs not writing global base costs was a long decision and proves quite valuable 15:16:33 <AveiMil> dunno if that can work 15:16:37 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16:50 <Yexo> that can't work as far as I know 15:17:26 <planetmaker> it probably would increase base costs of all wagons in all newgrfs 15:17:56 <planetmaker> but then... one could just use the existing base cost newgrf. That's its whole purpose :-) 15:18:13 <planetmaker> or rather writing a preset for it or so... 15:18:57 <AveiMil> meh, I'll have to add a property for each train instead then 15:19:31 <Belugas> life ain't fair, isn't it? 15:19:32 <AveiMil> I just hope the monorail and maglev wagons rae pretty much identical 15:19:43 <AveiMil> so I only really have to 11 and copy/paste em instead of 33 15:20:25 <Belugas> lucky that yuou do not work on nfo, but on nml :) 15:21:03 <AveiMil> even luckier than I don't really know what that entainls in detail :P 15:21:11 <AveiMil> entails 15:22:17 <AveiMil> have to go through all the aircraft again and balance the cost 15:22:27 <AveiMil> I found my previous method to be poor 15:25:58 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-214.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:29:16 <planetmaker> well... you've already been told to discuss your issues in the forums and ask for advice :-) 15:29:32 <planetmaker> it might also save work to you. 15:30:21 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3AFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:31:03 <AveiMil> no, I want it to be perfectly playable before I release it out, that way people won't try it, find it lacking and lose intrest 15:31:48 <planetmaker> you don't understand the difference between release and development discussion :-) 15:34:01 <norbert79> planetmaker: I made a bread, want to taste it? :D 15:34:10 <norbert79> planetmaker: Now thats including both! 15:34:22 <planetmaker> hm, yes :-) 15:34:24 <planetmaker> yummi 15:34:25 <AveiMil> Don't want to spend time discussing when I know there are things I need to fix already and know what I want to do. 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19:12:29 <planetmaker> again? 19:13:29 <Eddi|zuHause> threads with chinese letters in the title make me suspicious... 19:16:41 <Alberth> yes 19:16:49 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 19:18:11 <Terkhen> there was another one this morning 19:18:58 <Alberth> oh, ages ago :) 19:21:10 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:22:01 <Terkhen> hmmm... is there an equivalent to "tar --strip-components" in unzip? 19:22:09 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:23:37 <bryjen> -j for junk paths ? 19:24:11 <Terkhen> I only need to strip the first folder, -j seems to strip all of them 19:24:55 <bryjen> ah, yes it does 19:25:19 <andythenorth> do we have realistic locks yet? 19:25:33 <Terkhen> n 19:25:34 <Terkhen> no 19:25:37 <andythenorth> ok 19:25:43 <andythenorth> I'm quitting the community then :P 19:25:45 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 19:26:21 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:26:35 <Alberth> hello new andy 19:27:02 <andythenorth> hello 19:27:05 <Terkhen> bah... stupid unzip 19:27:12 <__ln__> threats... 19:27:17 <andythenorth> Alberth: hierarchical groups? 19:28:20 <Alberth> fine by me, but it needs extraction of the (+) and (-) code from the adv. settings 19:28:28 <__ln__> If infrastructure sharing of airports is not done within a week, I'll take myself hostage! 19:28:38 <Alberth> (which is good, it is needed elsewhere too) 19:28:56 <andythenorth> does hierarchical groups block using groups to also set orders? 19:29:01 <Alberth> __ln__: to save you the trouble of waiting, please do it now 19:29:31 <Alberth> andythenorth: probably not 19:30:00 <Wolf01> 'night 19:30:05 <Alberth> night Wolf01 19:30:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host98-95-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 19:30:12 <andythenorth> Alberth: shame 19:30:38 <nicfer> why ex's servers are still 1.0.3? 19:30:56 <Alberth> it is a goal server? 19:31:26 <Alberth> hmm, perhaps that is not even relevant 19:31:45 <Alberth> nicfer: the best person to ask that is 'ex' 19:32:30 <Alberth> andythenorth: you changed ponies w.r.t. groups? 19:32:49 <andythenorth> I shot all the ponies 19:32:56 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 19:33:08 <Alberth> oh dear 19:33:20 <andythenorth> I have no problems with current system 19:33:37 <andythenorth> I just don't want it broken to serve the needs of a few anal train nerds :P 19:33:49 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:34:47 <andythenorth> consists would be nice, but not if it's confusing / hard 19:34:59 <andythenorth> I will serve multiple cookies for rv-wagons though 19:36:43 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:41:03 * Belugas wanst to be a rv-wagon 19:41:28 <Alberth> Cookies are going to be quite safe for a long time, I think 19:43:12 <andythenorth> bah 19:43:21 <andythenorth> that means I have to recode all of HEQS :( 19:45:45 <andythenorth> and no BANDIT truck set :( 19:48:02 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 19:48:26 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 19:49:51 <andythenorth> these russian mine railways are nuts 19:49:51 <andythenorth> http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=344764&nseq=0 19:50:06 <andythenorth> that photo looks approx TTD scale :P 19:53:32 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 19:59:33 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: that's an optical illusion due to the objective used to photograph. it shortens the depth 20:04:25 <Belugas> i knew that 20:05:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure of that ;) 20:05:15 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:42 <__ln__> i thought optical illusions were not acceptable in russia 20:06:33 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: eh? 20:06:36 <Eddi|zuHause> in soviet russia, the illusion is YOU 20:07:18 <andythenorth> the size is a function of the distance the shot was taken from 20:07:31 <andythenorth> is what you meant? 20:07:35 <Belugas> not really 20:07:42 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it's not what i meant 20:07:53 <andythenorth> it's not a tilt-shift photo 20:07:54 <Belugas> some lenses have the property to change the depth of field 20:08:03 <Belugas> god no! 20:08:19 <andythenorth> but dof doesn't affect the size of objects in frame :P 20:08:31 <Belugas> fisheye? ;) 20:08:49 <Belugas> although it's not what's been used here 20:09:12 <__ln__> wasn't it some emperor of Russia or something who asked why does the railway seem to get narrower towards the horizon, and once given an answer said that such thing is not acceptable on his railways. 20:09:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't heard that... 20:09:54 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 20:10:10 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [] 20:10:13 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:00 *** DDR_ [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 20:17:50 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, what i mean: because all visible wagons are (almost) all in depth-view, none in width-view, the length of the wagons is probably larger than the eye suggests 20:19:29 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:38 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 20:26:30 <Belugas> I'd love to have a tilt-shift 20:26:40 <Belugas> i'd love to have a lot of costly toys :S 20:29:18 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 20:29:59 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A19CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:33 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-104-26.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:30:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:02 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 20:31:06 *** saronpasu [~saronpasu@catv075-208.lan-do.ne.jp] has joined #openttd 20:31:47 <andythenorth> Belugas: my camera fakes tilt-shift 20:31:53 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has joined #openttd 20:31:53 <andythenorth> it's surprisingly good :) 20:33:29 <andythenorth> Belugas: tilt-shift makes stuff look like toys 20:33:38 <andythenorth> so what happens if you shoot toys with it? :P 20:33:39 <andythenorth> http://www.flickr.com/photos/39077498@N07/sets/72157624387013240/ 20:35:00 *** mib_cixlzt [536520e4@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:35:23 *** mib_cixlzt [536520e4@ircip3.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 20:41:10 *** graou [~graou@83.101.32.228] has joined #openttd 20:47:24 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:41 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db81bbe.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:05:14 <Belugas> and like that http://www.xaviercampo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/tilt-shift-imac.jpg :) 21:05:24 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@95-27-104-26.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:07:14 <andythenorth> he :) 21:07:42 <graou> hi :) 21:08:36 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-104-26.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:50 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 21:09:49 *** azaghal [~azaghal@109.207.46.25] has joined #openttd 21:13:09 <planetmaker> hell graou 21:13:15 <planetmaker> *hello :-P 21:18:38 <andythenorth> if I remove 'piece goods' class from Goods cargo in FIRS, I break savegames yes / no? 21:18:55 <planetmaker> yes 21:19:38 <planetmaker> cargos might be in vehicles not (anymore) suitable for the cargo type 21:19:55 <andythenorth> bah 21:20:03 <planetmaker> but please don't remove piece goods from goods... 21:20:17 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:20:22 <planetmaker> I think express and piece goods exist nicely along eachother 21:20:42 <planetmaker> same as refrigerated is a sub-class of food, so is express of piece goods. In my eyes 21:21:37 <andythenorth> 'piece goods' has been reported as a bug for goods by multiple people... 21:22:27 <planetmaker> hm... 21:22:31 <planetmaker> whom? 21:22:37 <planetmaker> and how? 21:22:48 <planetmaker> how as in how does it show to be a bug? 21:23:29 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1659 21:23:41 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=912834#p912834 21:25:16 *** azaghal_ [~azaghal@109.207.46.21] has joined #openttd 21:25:40 <planetmaker> that gives no reason 21:25:49 <planetmaker> except "I want it so" 21:26:14 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-171.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 21:26:31 <andythenorth> hmm 21:26:37 <andythenorth> well changing nothing is easy : 21:26:38 <andythenorth> :P 21:26:52 * andythenorth shrugs 21:27:02 <planetmaker> I think it might be one thing to really put off for now 21:27:26 *** graou [~graou@83.101.32.228] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27:32 <planetmaker> I'd possibly keep in the back of my head the cargo class 'issue'. But otoh I don't quite see much of an issue 21:28:09 <planetmaker> on the other hand... keeping it by the standards might be good 21:28:18 <planetmaker> you see: I'm undecided as well :-) 21:28:28 <planetmaker> maybe change it. In 0.6 21:28:30 <andythenorth> 0.6 21:28:33 <planetmaker> :-) 21:28:46 <planetmaker> But fix releases must not break compatibility 21:29:59 <Eddi|zuHause> change the cargo label :) 21:30:16 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: suggestions? :P 21:30:21 <andythenorth> STUF 21:30:37 <Terkhen> :D__ 21:30:38 <andythenorth> maybe we scrap goods and make them more precise 21:30:47 <andythenorth> "clothes" 21:30:52 <andythenorth> "stuff" 21:31:06 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah. right. after you have made everything else more generic, like "metal" :po 21:31:14 *** azaghal [~azaghal@109.207.46.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:31:24 <andythenorth> FIRS is weird 21:31:32 <andythenorth> some things are generic, some are more specific 21:31:40 <andythenorth> 'quirky' :P 21:31:55 <Eddi|zuHause> "8mm screws" 21:32:05 * Terkhen likes stuff 21:32:22 <andythenorth> "widgets" 21:32:29 <andythenorth> "consumer tat" 21:32:45 <Terkhen> in fact, you only need three cargos: passengers, raw stuff, stuff 21:33:08 <andythenorth> passengers are just stuff 21:33:25 <andythenorth> Terkhen: I think that's FIRS Basic 21:33:29 <Terkhen> :D 21:34:11 <planetmaker> andythenorth: which industry deals with lumber in one way or another? 21:34:17 <planetmaker> FIRS 0.5.2 21:34:35 <andythenorth> planetmaker: http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/cargo_details?cargo_type=lumber&economy=point_5_release 21:34:48 <Eddi|zuHause> "magic 8-balls" 21:35:09 <Eddi|zuHause> "manuals for neuromancer games" 21:35:55 <AveiMil> Dinger 200: Running cost, 158,400/yr 21:36:00 <AveiMil> sounds bout right 21:37:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f65dd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:39:06 * Terkhen wonders if he has broken cb36 for ships 21:39:44 <Terkhen> andythenorth: when the porcupine 30 is fully loaded with oil, it's max speed is supposed to be reduced? 21:39:49 <planetmaker> thanks andythenorth 21:39:58 <andythenorth> Terkhen: I'll look 21:40:51 <andythenorth> Terkhen: what speed are you seeing loaded? 21:41:12 <Terkhen> same as unloaded, 96 km/h 21:41:22 <andythenorth> hmm 21:41:33 <andythenorth> in that case maybe you broke it :D 21:41:35 <Terkhen> in 1.0.4 the speed while loaded is 74 km/h so probably I broke it 21:42:58 <andythenorth> Terkhen: you broke it ;) 21:43:00 <andythenorth> I checked 21:43:24 <AveiMil> What's cb36? 21:43:57 <Terkhen> yeah, there was a bug with CB36: it was called whenever a ship moved (almost always), resulting in a big slow down in ships 21:43:59 <planetmaker> decide on vehicle properties 21:44:05 <Terkhen> I probably forgot to update it after leaving a station 21:44:12 <andythenorth> I have r21135 21:44:51 <Terkhen> hm, it works in r21135? 21:45:48 <andythenorth> not as far as I can see 21:46:04 <planetmaker> pssst, andythenorth : no grfID bump needed ;-) 21:46:07 <planetmaker> anymore 21:46:20 <andythenorth> for why? 21:46:24 <andythenorth> action 14? 21:47:05 <planetmaker> ^ 21:47:18 <planetmaker> that's what minimum_compatible_version is for 21:47:28 <andythenorth> is that TTDPatch compatible :P 21:47:58 <Rubidium> does TTDP actually care about the GRFID of loaded savegames? 21:48:46 <planetmaker> andythenorth: afaik mb complained about that openttd doesn't ask on load for selecting the 'correct' newgrf when not the exact is found. So... I assume TTDP has there some nice user interface for this 21:49:53 <Rubidium> *or* ttdpatch just uses newgrf(w).cfg for that, i.e. it doesn't think about selecting another NewGRF by itself 21:50:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.176.212] has joined #openttd 21:50:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.169.108] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:51:18 <planetmaker> I think that's what he meant 21:51:25 <andythenorth> planetmaker: so I should change my forum post 21:51:32 <planetmaker> :-) 22:00:32 <Belugas> damned... 22:00:37 <Belugas> my day is now ruined 22:00:53 <Belugas> [16:49] <@planetmaker> andythenorth: afaik mb complained about that openttd doesn't ask on load for selecting the 'correct' newgrf when not the exact is found. So... I assume TTDP has there some nice user interface for this 22:01:01 * Belugas shakes fists! 22:01:22 * planetmaker hugs Belugas and gives him a cookie 22:01:44 <Belugas> gnap gnap gnap gnap gnap gnap gnap gnap gnap 22:01:48 <Belugas> big cookie 22:01:48 <planetmaker> :-) 22:01:50 <Belugas> BURP 22:02:07 <andythenorth> nom nom nom 22:02:19 * andythenorth provides one extra industry layout 22:02:25 <andythenorth> gratis, free, no charg 22:02:26 <andythenorth> e 22:02:32 <andythenorth> hmm 22:02:37 <andythenorth> cookie factory? 22:02:44 <andythenorth> accepts: chocolate, flour, butter 22:02:47 <andythenorth> sugar 22:02:48 <andythenorth> hmm 22:02:51 <andythenorth> too many cargos 22:02:55 <andythenorth> accepts: stuff 22:02:59 <andythenorth> produces: cookies 22:03:06 <andythenorth> accepts: raw stuff, stuff 22:03:33 <planetmaker> andythenorth: indeed cookies or so... would make for an AWESOME toyland interpretation of FIRS 22:03:51 <Belugas> :) 22:03:57 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-214.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:24 <Rubidium> andythenorth: accepts: farmed foods, processed foods 22:04:32 <planetmaker> cookies. marbles. brick trucks 22:04:42 <andythenorth> brrr 22:04:53 <andythenorth> no I am not producing a toyland specific FIRS 22:04:53 <andythenorth> :P 22:04:58 <V453000> :( 22:05:06 <V453000> could have beer too 22:05:07 <planetmaker> andythenorth: I didn't say specific 22:05:18 <planetmaker> Just different graphics and strings for toyland climate 22:05:20 <Terkhen> :( 22:05:31 <planetmaker> no other logic needed 22:05:43 <planetmaker> just a few action07s. And graphics 22:05:55 <andythenorth> I don't want to learn to draw toyland style :P 22:06:00 <planetmaker> :-( 22:06:05 <AveiMil> can item names have _ in them? 22:06:11 <AveiMil> PassengerCarriage_Rail 22:06:26 <planetmaker> yes 22:06:34 <Belugas> where? when? why? 22:06:48 <AveiMil> nml 22:08:05 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.194] has joined #openttd 22:08:07 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA563.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:37 <AveiMil> nml dosen't like this comment: 22:09:47 <AveiMil> --- //PCost: 2=5468£ 22:10:25 <AveiMil> planetmaker, or rather, it does not like £ 22:10:34 <AveiMil> gives a python error on compile 22:10:47 <planetmaker> of course 22:10:55 <planetmaker> eh.. comment? 22:10:57 <planetmaker> hm 22:11:03 <AveiMil> nmlc: An internal error has occurred: 22:11:03 <AveiMil> nmlc-version: r1013 (3d4eced62f88) 22:11:03 <AveiMil> Error: (UnicodeDecodeError) "'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0xa3 in positio 22:11:03 <AveiMil> n 42453: invalid start byte". 22:11:03 <AveiMil> Command: ['C:\Games\OpenTTD_NewGRF\nml\nmlc', 'C:\Games\OpenTTD_NewGRF\ 22:11:05 <AveiMil> \AveiMil_PIGM\AveiMil_PIGM.nml', '-l', 'C:\Games\OpenTTD_NewGRF\AveiMil_PIGM 22:11:05 <AveiMil> \lang'] 22:11:07 <AveiMil> Location: File "C:\Program Files\Python27\lib\codecs.py", line 477, in read 22:11:22 <AveiMil> if I remove the £ from my comment line it goes away 22:11:30 <Rubidium> you're not providing utf8 but iso8859-15 (or something similar) 22:12:08 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-30-106.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:12:39 <AveiMil> I don't really know that stuff 22:12:49 <AveiMil> but the endocing says ANSI in File menu of notepad2 22:13:30 <planetmaker> use utf-8 22:14:11 <Belugas> bye bye all! 22:14:23 <Rubidium> night Belugas 22:14:33 <avdg> gn 22:14:34 <Terkhen> good night Belugas 22:14:43 <Eddi|zuHause> does nmlc automatically create the "thorn" symbol on utf8-newgrf-strings? 22:15:02 <planetmaker> bye bye Belugas 22:15:09 <AveiMil> ok then it worked 22:15:11 <AveiMil> night Belugas 22:15:18 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: yes. It encodes every string as utf-8, when possible 22:17:46 <Eddi|zuHause> "This is currently undocumented but easily understood by reading the source." :) 22:19:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r21148 /trunk/src/ship_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r21098): Evaluate callback 36 for ship speed as frequently as done for other vehicle types. 22:20:18 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: indeed ;-) 22:20:40 <AveiMil> fuck yes, then I'm close to ready to make a forum post 22:25:53 <svip> I remember when I just discovered a major bug in GIMP. 22:26:01 <svip> Which had apparently been there since 1998. 22:26:19 <svip> Since the file in regards to the bug hadn't been changed since then. 22:26:42 <svip> Eddi|zuHause: Comments can at times confuse one even more! 22:26:47 <svip> Even documentation! 22:27:44 <Terkhen> comments can be outdated 22:27:52 <svip> No kidding. 22:28:09 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 22:28:33 *** azaghal_ is now known as azaghal 22:29:18 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 22:30:51 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-158-211.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 22:31:30 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone know if python has builtin support for preceeding 0 when converting int to str? 22:33:40 <__ln__> other than str = "%02d" % int ? 22:33:56 <__ln__> (i don't know the answer anyway) 22:34:13 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... that might work... 22:34:47 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:37 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: I guess it'll be going octal on you 22:35:38 <Eddi|zuHause> other question: you know whether one can add or substract "1 day" from a datetime? 22:36:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i meant the general approach with the printf syntax and % operator 22:37:17 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: only for dates in the past :) 22:37:31 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: planetmaker * r21149 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix [FS#4210]: [OSX] Unify compiler flags with other OS and work around a compiler bug in gcc-4.0.1 which breaks graphics display in x86_64 binaries (Rubidium) 22:37:36 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db81bbe.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:37:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: how do you mean? 22:38:05 <Rubidium> how is python supposed to know how long a day in the future is going to take? 22:39:45 <Eddi|zuHause> "An idealized naive date, assuming the current Gregorian calendar always was, and always will be, in effect. " 22:42:07 <Eddi|zuHause> seems it's like "datetime.now() - timedelta(days=1)" 22:42:12 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:42:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i hope 22:43:04 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 22:43:50 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 22:45:37 <planetmaker> good night 22:45:46 <SmatZ> good night planetmaker 22:47:07 <Eddi|zuHause> trick question: how do you test whether printing works, when you don't have physical access to the printer? 22:48:45 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe3fdc00-230.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 22:48:49 <Rubidium> print something really offensive with your name, address and phone number on it 22:48:52 <AveiMil> Microsoft XPS Document writer 22:48:54 <AveiMil> or Print to PDF 22:49:12 <Rubidium> if you're contacted by whoever "owns" that printer, then it did work 22:49:42 <Rubidium> (or the police if they really didn't like what you printed) 22:50:20 <Rubidium> AveiMil: virtual printers in now way test whether printing to a particular physical printer works 22:50:20 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50:20 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50:39 <AveiMil> misread the question, sorry 22:50:50 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:51:03 <AveiMil> can't you view the status que thing? 22:51:19 <AveiMil> if the job isen't listed there it's reasonably safe to assume it's been printed 22:52:41 <Rubidium> or silently rejected by the (assumed) network printer 22:55:03 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i'll check whether the xps printer works for my purposes... 22:55:06 <AveiMil> in other words there's no way to know for sure 22:55:31 <AveiMil> why would you print to something you can't ahve physical access to though? :) 22:55:44 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i don't actually need the printer to work, i need to write a program that can print. 22:55:59 <AveiMil> ah 22:56:24 <Rubidium> oh, so you basically asked the wrong question 22:56:27 <AveiMil> so you did not accedentially print a porn site at work and now you need to find the printed and destroy the evidence? 22:57:07 <Rubidium> AveiMil: printing somewhere you don't have (direct) physical access to is also known as "faxing" :) 22:57:22 <AveiMil> What's faxing? Sorry I'm not 40+ :) 22:57:28 <Chris_Booth> evening 22:58:02 <SpComb> remember to fax the document back when you're done with it 22:59:00 <Rubidium> AveiMil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fax <- be amazed about the old technology 23:00:10 <AveiMil> lol, I'm just kidding 23:01:07 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@2.124.130.198] has joined #openttd 23:01:07 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:01:22 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db81bbe.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 23:04:00 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 23:04:07 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 23:04:36 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db81bbe.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05:39 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:50 <SmatZ> @calc 19005135 23:05:50 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 19005135 23:05:54 <SmatZ> good 23:05:57 <SmatZ> @calc 19005135 / 4096 23:05:57 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 4639.92553711 23:06:06 <SmatZ> @calc 4639*4096 23:06:06 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 19001344 23:07:46 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 23:09:31 <AveiMil> Are AI generally hard coded to expect how much building a railway costs? 23:09:40 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-171.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:53 <AveiMil> the AI's can't seem to survive with my mod 23:14:39 <AveiMil> There should be a "return to default" otpion for the advanced settings 23:20:11 <Eddi|zuHause> AIs can check the cost 23:20:21 <Yexo> they can, but I'm not sure if many do 23:20:39 *** IPG [~chatzilla@pool-152-66-222-50.bgk.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 23:20:53 <Eddi|zuHause> AveiMil: you can remove parts of openttd.cfg 23:21:04 <Eddi|zuHause> then they are refilled with default values 23:22:25 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:27:04 <AveiMil> yeah, I figured that out 23:27:05 <AveiMil> hehe 23:28:44 *** bryjen [~bryjen@cpe-75-81-201-131.we.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:29:07 <AveiMil> in the forum 23:29:17 <AveiMil> is [Patch] tag meant to indicate NewGRF? 23:29:18 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-171.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 23:30:17 <Yexo> no 23:30:40 <AveiMil> should I tag my thread with [NewGRF] or nothing? 23:30:45 <Yexo> newgrfs go in the graphics development section, you don't need any tag 23:31:03 <AveiMil> oh right there 23:31:15 <AveiMil> I still associated 'Graphics' with pictures 23:31:24 <AveiMil> bleh 23:31:51 <Yexo> the name might need a bit of an overhaul, but all newgrfs can go there, even if you don't have any graphics 23:33:33 <Eddi|zuHause> might want to set the appropriate value in action14 if you have no graphics ;) 23:39:49 <AveiMil> What's that? 23:41:45 <SmatZ> action14? 23:42:05 <Eddi|zuHause> the place where additional newgrf information like version, palette and parameters are defined 23:42:19 <Eddi|zuHause> don't know how to do that in nml, though 23:42:22 <AveiMil> I don't have that in mine 23:42:36 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, you set palette to "i have no graphics" 23:42:57 <AveiMil> I don't know where to set that 23:42:58 <SmatZ> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action14 23:43:01 <AveiMil> do I have to? 23:43:05 <SmatZ> @seen dalestan 23:43:05 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: dalestan was last seen in #openttd 33 weeks, 4 days, 7 hours, 3 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <DaleStan> <PeterT> Why would one have info version 5 instead of info version 7? <-- because you didn't use any Info version 6 or 7 features, and there was no header telling NFORenum to use any particular version. 23:43:06 <AveiMil> the NewGRF works 23:43:30 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't have to, but it probably would be very simple to do. 23:43:53 <AveiMil> it says Palette: Windows in the in-game menu 23:43:56 <Chris_Booth> @seen SmatZ 23:43:56 <DorpsGek> Chris_Booth: SmatZ was last seen in #openttd 50 seconds ago: <SmatZ> @seen dalestan 23:43:58 <AveiMil> I'm sure nml took care of that for me 23:44:05 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:55 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.194] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:45:30 <AveiMil> Is it common courtesy to attach the source code along with my NewGRF? 23:45:33 <AveiMil> when posting in the forum 23:48:24 <Eddi|zuHause> that solely depends on you and your license 23:49:09 <Eddi|zuHause> when you have written every part of your newgrf by yourself, you are free to choose the license. if you used (significant) parts from others, then their license may restrict you 23:49:10 <frosch123> nml creates the action14 palette information on its own 23:49:42 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: but does it also detect the "no palette" mode? 23:49:47 <frosch123> and the version information is also obligary in recent nml versions 23:49:51 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: it does for mi2 23:50:13 <Eddi|zuHause> nice 23:50:46 <SmatZ> nml is clever ;) 23:51:14 <frosch123> yup :) 23:51:20 <SmatZ> @calc 2**32 23:51:20 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 4294967296 23:51:23 <frosch123> night everyone 23:51:27 <SmatZ> good night frosch123 23:51:28 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f65dd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:31 <Eddi|zuHause> damn... teamviewer is bad. i can copy from the remote computer (win), and paste in the local computer (linux), but i can't copy from local to remote. 23:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean copy text, not files. 23:58:19 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-171.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:59:15 <AveiMil> :( 23:59:17 <AveiMil> pastebin.com