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00:00:17 <Samu> hehe 00:00:34 <Samu> kick doesn't have a direct translation to portuguese 00:01:17 <Samu> pontapear but that's for football kick 00:01:21 <Samu> LOL 00:01:26 <SmatZ> :) 00:01:42 <SmatZ> what word for kick does your IRC client use? 00:02:16 <Samu> kick 00:02:18 <Samu> lol 00:02:23 <Samu> it's english mirc 00:03:09 <Samu> we say sometimes kickar, but that's not portuguese at all 00:03:12 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-119-222.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:03:15 <SmatZ> :) 00:03:16 <Samu> that's a mix of 00:05:22 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-38-141.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 00:05:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:06:22 <Samu> poor guy didn't return 00:06:43 <Samu> his company is still running 00:06:59 <Samu> destroying all of Mogul AIs trucks 00:07:11 <Samu> and blocking ships 00:07:18 <Samu> and paxlink buses 00:07:28 <Samu> I guess it's ok 00:08:32 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:06 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:15:20 *** enr1x [~kiike@74.70.23.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 00:21:18 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-66.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:22:21 <Samu> smatz 00:22:48 <Samu> use the word Expulsar 00:22:54 <Samu> for Kick 00:23:15 <Samu> Expulsar can also mean Ban, but since those 2 show up together 00:23:34 <Samu> it will be easy to deduce what it does 00:26:02 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-102.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:27:37 <SmatZ> Samu: I can't change that translation 00:29:54 *** enr1x [~kiike@74.70.23.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:37:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AEDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:46:05 <Samu> ~kiike@74.70.23.95.dynamic.jazztel.es 00:46:09 <Samu> jazztel, haha 00:46:36 <Wolf01> 'nighty night 00:46:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:47:24 <Samu> those guys tried to provide a much cheaper phone service over here, but gave up 00:48:26 <Samu> the whole (or 99%) telecommunication infrastructure in portugal is owned by 1 company 00:49:03 <Samu> monopolium 00:50:11 *** DJ_Samu [Samu@118.93.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 00:57:03 *** Samu [Samu@13.125.166.178.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:57:37 *** robert-qfh [~robert@82.113.106.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:57:40 <DJ_Samu> test 00:57:44 <DJ_Samu> ah, ok 00:58:13 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.104.150] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 00:58:40 <DJ_Samu> vodafone.pt ? 00:58:56 <DJ_Samu> lol, these guys always use each others networks 01:01:53 <DJ_Samu> question, a bit off-topic 01:02:09 <DJ_Samu> my isp is zon, but over there it says vodafone? 01:02:18 <DJ_Samu> how do they do it? 01:03:00 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8db78.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:08:22 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d640.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 01:10:33 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:19:38 *** roboboy [~robotboy@c114-76-181-180.blktn4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:22:41 *** robotboy [~robotboy@c114-76-181-180.blktn4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:23:25 <DJ_Samu> I found a bug in that on-screen keyboard 01:23:46 <DJ_Samu> placement of keys 01:24:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:25:17 <SmatZ> how do you mean? 01:25:28 <SmatZ> it's not supposed to be the same as your keyboard :p 01:25:50 <DJ_Samu> it is apparently 01:26:06 <DJ_Samu> qwerty keyboard here 01:26:22 <DJ_Samu> the 'a' key is showing on the qwerty row 01:26:39 <DJ_Samu> happens with all the first keys of each row 01:26:56 <DJ_Samu> they show up at the end of each row 01:27:06 <DJ_Samu> I better post a screenshot 01:27:43 *** roboboy [~robotboy@c114-76-181-180.blktn4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:29:07 <SmatZ> it can be affected by your translation 01:29:40 <SmatZ> however the layout is the same for all languages 01:29:52 <SmatZ> but the keys on the OSK can be changed 01:30:17 <DJ_Samu> where shall I post the image, I don't want to make a bug report, I'm not sure 01:30:32 <SmatZ> maybe the translator didn't have enough space on the keyboard? 01:30:49 <SmatZ> I can't do anything with that anyway... 01:31:06 <DJ_Samu> ok, I'll send it to you 01:31:21 <DJ_Samu> you seem to understand how it can be changed 01:31:26 <DJ_Samu> I don't 01:32:24 <DJ_Samu> the 'q' on the end of the first row should be placed before the 'w' on the second row 01:32:41 <DJ_Samu> the 'a' on the end of the second row should be placed before the 's' on the third row 01:32:45 <SmatZ> what is your OpenTTD version and language? 01:32:57 <DJ_Samu> the '<' on the end of the third row should be placed before the 'z' on the fourth row 01:33:01 <DJ_Samu> 1.0.5 01:33:06 <DJ_Samu> portuguese (Portugal) 01:33:15 <DJ_Samu> brazillian keyboard is different than portuguese keyboard 01:33:30 <SmatZ> hmm again problem with potuguese... 01:33:30 <glx> layout is in translation 01:34:04 <glx> blame the translator 01:34:15 <DJ_Samu> the rest is correct 01:34:59 <SmatZ> there is probably one character missing in the translation 01:35:09 <DJ_Samu> let me check 01:35:46 <glx> looks like missing character yes 01:35:56 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/portuguese.lng might help you 01:36:05 <DJ_Samu> ah, I think I understand 01:36:11 <SmatZ> it just makes it use the default english layout 01:36:28 <DJ_Samu> there is indeed 2 different portuguese keyboard layouts 01:37:06 <DJ_Samu> some have the '~' on the end of the first row instead of being at the end of the third row 01:39:08 <DJ_Samu> this one I'm using have the '~' on the 3rd row 01:39:17 <DJ_Samu> but I have another that have it on the first 01:40:03 <SmatZ> your keyboard layout won't affect the one shown in OSK 01:40:20 <SmatZ> unless there is a layout that has 'a' in the first row and 'z' in the second 01:40:29 <SmatZ> but there probably isn't :) 01:40:34 <DJ_Samu> no, there isn't 01:42:13 <DJ_Samu> you should look at the screenshot I sent you 01:42:16 <DJ_Samu> makes things easier 01:42:32 <supermop> hello again 01:42:36 <SmatZ> I understand what your problem is, but I can't help you with that problem 01:42:50 <DJ_Samu> you mentioned default english layout 01:43:13 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/portuguese.lng if you replace your lng file by this one, you get the english layout in OSK 01:43:43 <SmatZ> hello supermop 01:44:29 <SmatZ> DJ_Samu: try opening a bugreport with description what each raw looks like and what it should look like 01:44:37 <SmatZ> or try becoming a translator :) 01:44:38 <glx> you can define your layout in openttd.cfg IIRC 01:44:49 <SmatZ> the poruguese translation looks wrong anyway 01:45:56 <DJ_Samu> I can't talk about the brazillian keyboard, it's different 01:45:58 <DJ_Samu> sorry 01:47:35 <DJ_Samu> erm... you made things worse 01:47:46 <DJ_Samu> it's using english now 01:49:12 <SmatZ> [02:37:19] <SmatZ> it just makes it use the default english layout 01:49:15 <SmatZ> I told you so :) 01:49:25 <glx> in [misc] section, you can add keyboard and keyboard_caps 01:49:46 <glx> they'll overwrite translation 01:50:02 * SmatZ didn't know that 01:50:31 <DJ_Samu> it was fine how it was before, it was just the 'q' key that needed a 'push' 01:50:42 <DJ_Samu> hmm 01:51:24 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/portuguese.lng I uploaded the original lang file, if you didn't do a backup 01:51:30 <SmatZ> DJ_Samu: try what glx suggested :) 01:51:53 <SmatZ> then become a translator/open a bugreport with the correct layout 01:53:18 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-118-94.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:53:30 <glx> keyboard = "34567890'«qwertyuiop+ÂŽasdfghjklçº~<zxcvbnm,.-" 01:53:31 <glx> keyboard_caps = "|!"#$%&/()=?»QWERTYUIOP*`ASDFGHJKLê^>ZXCVBNM;:_" 01:53:39 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFFBBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:53:59 <glx> copied from current lang file, but once it's in your openttd.cfg you can fix it :) 01:54:39 <DJ_Samu> how do I push Q forward? 01:55:16 <glx> move the ~ to the right position maybe 01:55:20 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2CE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 01:55:43 <DJ_Samu> I see, there's no other method? 01:55:50 <glx> or add a space 01:55:58 <DJ_Samu> a void key 01:56:00 <DJ_Samu> does nothing 01:56:17 <glx> or a missing key that can be useful 01:57:42 <DJ_Samu> if I put a space, will that key work like the spacebar or will it become grayed out? 01:58:01 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-174-72.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 01:58:13 <SmatZ> it will be a space, I think 01:59:57 *** Mortomes|Work [~MortomesW@mail.qps.nl] has joined #openttd 02:00:37 <glx> space is gray out I think 02:01:25 <glx> yup just checked 02:01:41 <SmatZ> ok 02:01:47 * SmatZ keeps silent 02:01:52 <SmatZ> :) 02:01:54 <DJ_Samu> cool, thx, do I still need to fill a report? 02:02:13 <SmatZ> it would be nice, so it is fixed for other people as well :) 02:02:24 <SmatZ> but better become a translator and fix it yourself 02:02:24 <DJ_Samu> ok, :) 02:02:40 <DJ_Samu> I became a translator, but i'm still 'read only' 02:02:45 <SmatZ> ok 02:02:48 <DJ_Samu> no idea what to do next 02:03:02 <SmatZ> you probably have to wait for approval 02:03:15 <SmatZ> STR_NETWORK_CLIENTLIST_KICK needs fixing too 02:03:27 <SmatZ> because it's the same as STR_NETWORK_CLIENTLIST_BAN 02:03:42 <DJ_Samu> ah, I remember 02:03:45 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFFBBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:03:59 <SmatZ> :) 02:04:42 <glx> <DJ_Samu> I became a translator, but i'm still 'read only' <-- send a mail and got reply ? 02:04:59 <DJ_Samu> a mail? 02:05:36 <DJ_Samu> should I receive a reply? 02:05:42 <DJ_Samu> I wasn't asked to send an email though 02:06:14 <glx> so you just logged to translator page 02:06:35 <DJ_Samu> yes, then I clicked somewhere to become a translator 02:06:44 <DJ_Samu> and I could see every language and strings 02:06:51 <DJ_Samu> but in read only 02:06:57 <glx> read the FAQ 02:07:39 <glx> 3rd and 4th questions :) 02:08:37 <glx> you need to send an email to become a translator 02:09:08 <SmatZ> thanks glx :) 02:09:25 <SmatZ> I would be misleading DJ_Samu 02:10:59 <DJ_Samu> javascript not installed :( 02:11:05 <DJ_Samu> erm... meh 02:11:42 <glx> requires javascript and cookies 02:12:02 <glx> questions 5 and 6 ;) 02:12:15 <DJ_Samu> cookies are enabled, javascript.. my browser doesn't have it by default, have to download 02:12:41 <DJ_Samu> that's what? 100 megas + updates 02:13:01 <glx> a browser without javascript ??? 02:13:22 <DJ_Samu> well, to chat here, I was asked to download java 02:13:30 <DJ_Samu> so i preferred to download mirc instead 02:13:43 <SmatZ> java != javascript 02:13:52 <DJ_Samu> oh, sorry 02:13:55 <SmatZ> what is your browser? 02:13:56 <DJ_Samu> really? 02:14:05 <DJ_Samu> internet explorer 8 02:14:14 <glx> you have javascript :) 02:14:21 <SmatZ> unless you disabled it manually 02:14:42 <DJ_Samu> nope, I'm sure I didn't touch any of those settings 02:15:07 <glx> security options usually 02:15:20 <glx> but I'm not an IE specialist 02:15:35 <DJ_Samu> sending an email 02:15:44 <DJ_Samu> there's a guy JayCity doing translations 02:16:07 <DJ_Samu> what will happen to him? 02:16:18 <DJ_Samu> he did quite a lot! 02:16:47 <SmatZ> are there any unfinished translations? 02:16:56 <DJ_Samu> 3 in portuguese 02:17:00 <SmatZ> he probably doesn't know about those mistakes 02:17:01 <glx> there can be many translators for one language ;) 02:17:01 <DJ_Samu> according to that site 02:18:20 *** robotboy [~robotboy@c114-76-181-180.blktn4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:18:40 *** Mortomes|Work [~MortomesW@mail.qps.nl] has quit [] 02:19:16 <glx> SmatZ: http://translator.openttd.org/en/status 02:20:36 <glx> DJ_Samu: if you can search when you view translations, javascript is enabled 02:21:44 <DJ_Samu> nice to hear 02:21:54 <DJ_Samu> then it's enabled 02:21:58 *** root__ [~root@misc-148-66-44-210.pool.starband.net] has joined #openttd 02:23:06 <DJ_Samu> a small problem though is my email address, when I acted out I gave away my password to someone 02:23:20 <DJ_Samu> at any time I can lose access 02:23:37 <DJ_Samu> (and I hope I do, this is no way of life) 02:24:42 <SmatZ> you can't change the password now? 02:25:47 <DJ_Samu> it's a personal issue 02:25:56 <DJ_Samu> I can, but I don't want to 02:26:16 <SmatZ> hope the other person won't login to openttd translator site and won't start messing up portuguese translation 02:26:29 <glx> you can create another email adress 02:26:56 <DJ_Samu> no, I don't want to be back to that mess :( 02:27:07 <DJ_Samu> I concentrated all emails into one address 02:27:11 <DJ_Samu> well 02:27:18 <SmatZ> you are weird, DJ_Samu 02:27:19 <DJ_Samu> I don't know 02:28:08 <SmatZ> if you are afraid someone might misuse your email, then you should do something with it 02:28:12 <glx> for now I have 7 email address ;) 02:28:17 <SmatZ> but fine :) 02:28:23 <SmatZ> hehe :) 02:28:33 <DJ_Samu> I have 2, 1 for the ISP (mandatory) 02:28:38 <DJ_Samu> one for the rest 02:28:41 <SmatZ> I am using only 2... 02:28:43 <DJ_Samu> I don't care about the isp one 02:29:24 <DJ_Samu> whenever I read mails from isp it's only advertisement 02:29:34 <DJ_Samu> and small notices no one cares about 02:30:00 <DJ_Samu> this email receives tons of spam, but it's ok 02:30:23 <DJ_Samu> the one I consider main receives lots of youtube crap 02:31:09 <DJ_Samu> erm, my account? 02:31:16 <SmatZ> ? 02:31:17 <DJ_Samu> apparently I have an account, what is it? 02:31:29 <SmatZ> you can use it at openttd website 02:31:42 <SmatZ> for translating and reporting bugs, for example 02:31:47 <DJ_Samu> it autologins, so I forgot my account name 02:31:49 <DJ_Samu> ah 02:31:52 <DJ_Samu> it's Samu then 02:32:19 <glx> and it's displayed at the bottom of the page 02:32:29 <glx> Logou (login name) ;) 02:32:38 <SmatZ> :) 02:33:26 <DJ_Samu> email sent 02:37:41 <DJ_Samu> lol the inbox is bombarded by flyspray 02:37:48 <DJ_Samu> I was expecting youtube 02:38:22 <glx> I always uncheck the notification on FS :) 02:39:51 <DJ_Samu> ah, youtube is just bellow flyspray 02:43:06 <DJ_Samu> yeah flaming comments at my videos 02:43:46 <DJ_Samu> I love it when they start arguing with each other yet I receive all that crap on my inbox, hehe 02:45:29 *** fjb is now known as Guest130 02:45:31 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFCB4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:52:27 <DJ_Samu> gotta go 02:52:31 <DJ_Samu> cya 02:52:42 *** Guest130 [~frank@p5DDFFBBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:00:35 *** DJ_Samu [Samu@118.93.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:20 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d640.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:11:12 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 03:31:35 *** root__ [~root@misc-148-66-44-210.pool.starband.net] has quit [Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.2 -- Accept no limitations] 03:34:33 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:693e:666b:8c89:525e] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:32:12 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 05:07:14 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 05:07:14 *** George is now known as Guest140 05:07:15 *** George|2 is now known as George 05:14:37 *** Guest140 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:21:30 *** robotboy [~robotboy@c114-76-181-180.blktn4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:44:16 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.36.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:54:40 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B772CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:55:01 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B756DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:17:02 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba94fb.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 06:29:38 <supermop> hello 06:34:43 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 06:41:59 *** green-devil [~greendevi@0603ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 06:46:45 <Terkhen> good morning 06:47:30 <supermop> good morning to you 06:50:07 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba94fb.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:50:35 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2CE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:01:11 *** ce^thue_thuet^ [~CE_KULIAH@200.199.88.88] has joined #openttd 07:01:12 *** ce^thue_thuet^ [~CE_KULIAH@200.199.88.88] has left #openttd [] 07:04:58 <planetmaker> good morning 07:06:06 <supermop> good morning to you too planet maker 07:06:56 *** ce^thue_thuet^ [~CE_KULIAH@200.199.88.88] has joined #openttd 07:06:56 *** ce^thue_thuet^ [~CE_KULIAH@200.199.88.88] has left #openttd [http://www.1filesharing.com/download/0PF3RZH5/psyBNC2.3.1_6.rar] 07:11:39 <planetmaker> hm, an uneven number of engines for double-headed engines is bad ;-) 07:12:32 <planetmaker> but... explainable, when incompatible newgrfs are loaded ;-) 07:12:35 <supermop> it wouldn't be 'double' if it was 3... 07:12:45 <supermop> hmm? 07:12:45 <planetmaker> the point ;-) 07:13:21 *** ce^thue_thuet^ [~CE_KULIAH@200.199.88.88] has joined #openttd 07:13:22 *** ce^thue_thuet^ [~CE_KULIAH@200.199.88.88] has left #openttd [http://www.1filesharing.com/download/1JWQUHB2/psyBNC2.3.1_5.rar] 07:14:52 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 07:18:48 <planetmaker> I wondered why I had 5 pieces for two double headed engines. Reason: I loaded with the wrong newgrf version 07:19:44 <supermop> ah 07:21:02 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0b95c9.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:23:36 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 07:25:51 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe8bde00-63.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:27:15 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:29:55 *** ce^thue_thuet^ [~CE_KULIAH@200.199.88.88] has joined #openttd 07:29:55 *** ce^thue_thuet^ [~CE_KULIAH@200.199.88.88] has left #openttd [http://uploadmirrors.com/download/FBAIGMFU/psyBNC2.3.1_3.rar] 07:31:37 *** ce^thue_thuet^ [~CE_KULIAH@200.199.88.88] has joined #openttd 07:31:37 *** ce^thue_thuet^ [~CE_KULIAH@200.199.88.88] has left #openttd [http://www.1filesharing.com/download/1JE0D7ZA/psyBNC2.3.1_4.rar] 08:01:01 <SmatZ> good morning 08:02:45 <planetmaker> moin SmatZ 08:02:51 <SmatZ> hello planetmaker :) 08:03:29 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:08:29 <Terkhen> good morning SmatZ 08:08:47 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 08:09:01 <SmatZ> morning Terkhen :) 08:09:06 <norbert79> Morning 08:09:26 <Terkhen> hi norbert79 08:09:35 <norbert79> Morning Terkhen, SmatZ 08:09:59 <SmatZ> and norbert79, too :) 08:10:11 <planetmaker> hi norbert79 08:10:15 <Terkhen> :D 08:10:32 <norbert79> Morning planetmaker... Damn morning cold... 08:11:45 <norbert79> Just a question: Is there an OS2 executable also to be expected, or was it just only for 1.0.4? 08:11:50 <Terkhen> indeed, I'm freezing 08:13:39 * Terkhen does not know 08:14:25 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:14:48 * norbert79 won't say, that he wishes the summer back, because he couldn't sleep during July, when he had 24-25°C during night 08:15:17 <norbert79> despite the cold, I am fine with winter times, at least I can sleep well 08:16:09 * Terkhen agrees 08:19:04 <norbert79> Jesus.. Google's instant search just made me think I skipped a few seconds of my life... It turns out it's a new technique... 08:19:48 <planetmaker> not too bad actually IMHO 08:20:01 <norbert79> It's just... weird 08:20:24 <Terkhen> yes, it is probably useful, but it will take a while for me to get used to it 08:22:14 <planetmaker> If someone is in for some newgrf fun: apply http://pastebin.com/Sc53hk0p on OpenGFX+Trains and fix the possible wrong facings of the TurboTrain ;-) 08:28:55 <norbert79> planetmaker: I am not there yet... I would even dare to rescue a civil from the hands of 6 terrorists with a bare tazer in Swat 4, but I don't really dare to touch this yet :) 08:36:06 <planetmaker> it's nothing really new. Just the scale ;-) 08:36:55 <norbert79> Is trkfoundw.grf included in the openttdw.grf file too? 08:37:00 *** robotboy [~robotboy@c114-76-181-180.blktn4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:37:07 <norbert79> (Foundations for Tracks on Slopes) 08:37:32 <planetmaker> do you miss them? 08:37:49 <norbert79> I am just not sure, trying to clean up all unused files 08:38:13 <planetmaker> move it to obsolete then 08:38:17 <norbert79> Ok, thx 08:38:20 <planetmaker> should be obsolete since pre 0.5 08:38:46 <norbert79> Thanks, moved 08:38:56 <norbert79> and I think I have moved every obsolete then 08:40:01 <norbert79> Ssssooo. Upgraded to 1.0.5... Now updating all the other tools :) 08:46:16 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2CE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 08:47:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AF8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:15:28 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:21:12 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 09:37:06 <norbert79> planetmaker: Just out of curtiosity: does those bugs listed in the known-bugs section of the readme still affect also the unnoficial port of the MacOSX binary of OpenTTD? 09:48:32 <b_jonas> oh, 1.0.5 is out? I'll update at hoem then 09:48:42 <b_jonas> (I'm not playing openttd at work) 09:50:02 <SmatZ> it would be bad if you played in your worktime :) 09:50:20 <Terkhen> :) 09:50:43 <b_jonas> what? you think I don't do that? 09:50:50 <b_jonas> I only said, I don't play openttd at work time 09:50:54 <b_jonas> that's time consuming 09:51:13 * SmatZ is confused, probably needs coffee 09:51:19 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 09:52:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B756DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:52:27 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B756DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:52:57 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-130.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 09:53:57 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-66.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 09:57:55 <planetmaker> <norbert79> planetmaker: Just out of curtiosity: does those bugs listed in the known-bugs section of the readme still affect also the unnoficial port of the MacOSX binary of OpenTTD? <-- I didn't check recently. But I guess so 09:58:12 <planetmaker> Though I closed a few minor ones recently 09:58:15 <norbert79> Even switching to fullscreen? 09:58:53 <planetmaker> I'm tempted to close it as irreproducable as even the bug reporter later couldn't reproduce it 09:58:59 <planetmaker> At least I can't 10:00:35 <planetmaker> on the other hand I fear I'll get handed a bunch of errors should we produce official binaries 10:03:10 <norbert79> So generally the port works fine 10:03:18 <norbert79> as I assume... Music does work too? 10:05:18 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8fa9c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:06:48 <planetmaker> yes 10:07:28 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/index.php?string=osx&project=1 10:08:44 <planetmaker> #3651 is unreproducable for me, #3447 is of little importance. 10:08:53 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 10:09:13 <planetmaker> so there's 2585 and 2484 10:09:34 <planetmaker> there's a half-bred solution for 2585. But... that's quite hackish. 10:09:48 <planetmaker> and it poses other issues 10:16:38 <norbert79> ahha 10:19:20 <norbert79> Well, at least it works :) 10:22:34 <planetmaker> sort-of 10:23:07 <planetmaker> while looking at things I also found already a few bugs which had not been detected so far... ;-) 10:23:17 <planetmaker> also compiler bugs :O 10:24:16 <planetmaker> or better re-phrased: friendly fellow devs pointed out that it only can be a compiler bug ;-) 10:26:11 * Terkhen loves debugging RTL code while not having any idea of what the text says 10:26:43 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-088-076-108-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:27:50 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 10:28:02 <planetmaker> But it's not that bad as it sounds 10:30:04 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 10:31:38 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:31:54 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:33:05 <Eddi|zuHause> can't you just set an RTL code in english.txt? 10:33:35 <Eddi|zuHause> you should end up with english backwards 10:33:40 <Terkhen> it is GUI code that must behave different with RTL 10:33:40 <planetmaker> yes. But that means to edit the lang files. Easier to just switch to arabic 10:33:47 <Eddi|zuHause> instead of... arabic, hebrew, ect. 10:33:51 * Terkhen hates mirrors 10:34:33 <Terkhen> hmm... let's try that 10:34:53 <Rubidium> it's quite easy, just change the ltr to rtl in english.txt 10:37:18 <Terkhen> much better, thank you :) 10:37:44 <Terkhen> the code is still as difficult, but at least I don't have to guess which button I'm pressing 10:48:26 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:07:46 *** Thror [~chatzilla@150.214.220.141] has joined #openttd 11:07:52 <Thror> hi 11:09:12 *** X-2 [~X-2@a82-95-91-139.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:10:20 <Terkhen> hi Thror 11:11:48 <planetmaker> hi 11:20:58 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 11:37:13 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:14 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-130.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:46:57 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.104.150] has joined #openttd 11:55:29 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:02:58 *** enr1x [~kiike@74.70.23.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 12:16:11 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 12:23:11 *** enr1x [~kiike@74.70.23.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:40:03 *** Eddi|nichZuHause [~EddinichZ@212.23.105.7] has joined #openttd 12:44:16 <Eddi|nichZuHause> anyone tell me what a "MRT.exe" is? 12:46:01 <planetmaker> microsoft's malicious software removal tool? 12:46:32 <Eddi|nichZuHause> is that supposed to run at 100% cpu for half an hour? 12:47:11 <planetmaker> yes. I scans all your porn an puts it into quarantine. Should have fewer, I guess 12:47:16 <blathijs> Eddi|nichZuHause: It's trying to burn the malicious software off your PC, but your CPU cooling is so good it won't get hot enough 12:47:39 <Terkhen> :D 12:50:01 <Rubidium> it's compressing your porn with that PAQ compression thing and then sending that to Microsoft 12:51:38 <Eddi|nichZuHause> hm... something's wrong... 12:52:05 <planetmaker> ^ famous last words ;-) 12:52:28 <Eddi|nichZuHause> if i select start-[rightclick]->settings->classical start menu, it usually adds computer, network etc. to the desktop 12:52:35 <Eddi|nichZuHause> but it doesn't do that here... 12:53:37 <Eddi|nichZuHause> any registry key where i can do that manually? 12:54:44 <b_jonas> Eddi|nichZuHause: what version of windo? 12:54:55 <Eddi|nichZuHause> XP, i believe 12:55:17 <Thror> you can add them somewhere on desktop settings (right click on desktop -> properties) 12:55:35 <Eddi|nichZuHause> ah 12:55:41 <Eddi|nichZuHause> yeah, i think i have it 12:57:06 *** jpcooper [jpcooper@host217-42-99-181.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 12:59:00 *** robotx [~robotx@141-70-75-133.user.wh-stuttgart.de] has joined #openttd 13:11:17 *** enr1x [~kiike@74.70.23.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 13:11:28 <Eddi|nichZuHause> ah... The Joy (TM) of Windows (R) 13:16:11 *** Eddi|nichZuHause [~EddinichZ@212.23.105.7] has quit [] 13:20:46 *** Eddi|nichZuHause [~EddinichZ@212.23.105.7] has joined #openttd 13:22:28 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@225.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 13:31:42 *** Thror [~chatzilla@150.214.220.141] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.12/20101026210630]] 13:32:32 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 13:42:59 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3437:a96d:ff78:6554] has joined #openttd 13:43:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:56:34 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:57:15 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 13:57:46 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has joined #openttd 13:57:52 *** robotx [~robotx@141-70-75-133.user.wh-stuttgart.de] has left #openttd [Verlassend] 14:02:27 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:26 <norbert79> I am looking for some song-titles on law enforcment... Got some already, like MJ - Smooth Crimninal, Falco - Der Komissar, Inner Circle - Bad Boys, Beastie Boys - Sabotage... Any other ideas? 14:05:33 <Eddi|nichZuHause> "Eins, zwei, Polizei" ;) 14:05:37 <norbert79> Lol 14:05:55 <peter1138> Peter Gabriel - Exposure 14:06:20 <norbert79> noted... :) 14:06:22 <peter1138> Air - Caramel Prisoner 14:07:22 <norbert79> I have found one song about: One shot in head, turned out it was kind a Death Metal song... Not really what I was looking for :) 14:08:02 <peter1138> Billy Joel - An Innocent Man 14:08:24 <norbert79> Can be also something different, than country or rock too :) 14:08:30 <norbert79> yet noted 14:08:56 <peter1138> best yet 14:09:05 <peter1138> Genesis - Robbery, Assault and Battery 14:09:58 <peter1138> Gomez - Get Myself Arrested 14:10:25 <norbert79> Nice 14:12:59 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:13:06 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 14:14:03 <peter1138> oh 14:15:21 <norbert79> Billy Joel doesn't really fit to my selection, but the title is good 14:17:11 <peter1138> The Strokes - New York City Cops 14:17:51 <norbert79> Heh, makes it quite obvious qhat it will ber about :) 14:18:18 <peter1138> Spiritualized - Cop Shoot Cop 14:18:27 <peter1138> (17 minutes, hah) 14:18:33 <norbert79> Jesus :D 14:20:35 <norbert79> peter1138: The Strokes isn't a bad one, but it's way too garage music... I am more like looking for some titles with either you can dance to, or they have that special something, like Beastie Boys - Sabotage... :) 14:21:15 <norbert79> Peter Gabriels song is a nice one 14:21:18 <norbert79> loved that guy all the time 14:21:28 <peter1138> Prodigy - Their Law 14:25:17 <Belugas> hi there 14:26:09 <peter1138> hey sir 14:26:16 <norbert79> Hey Belugas 14:27:54 <norbert79> peter1138: Nice choice... Exactly what I was thinking about 14:31:30 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 482 seconds] 14:36:28 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has left #openttd [] 14:38:39 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 14:41:50 <Belugas> hello norbert79 14:50:18 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 15:20:14 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:56 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3437:a96d:ff78:6554] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25:08 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3437:a96d:ff78:6554] has joined #openttd 15:25:18 *** X-2 [~X-2@a82-95-91-139.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30:24 <peter1138> http://www.buzzfeed.com/mathieus/what-would-a-childs-drawing-look-like-if-it-8q4 15:30:42 <peter1138> strange use of belugas' favourite word :D 15:33:34 <SmatZ> :D 15:42:56 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.36.217] has joined #openttd 15:43:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21297 /trunk/ (changelog.txt known-bugs.txt): -Doc: update some documentation 15:49:54 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:50:22 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@225.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.12/20101026210630]] 16:06:04 *** Strid_ [~Strid@c-fe85e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:12:54 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-97-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:14:29 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:21:54 <Belugas> lovely drawings :) so nightmarish :D 16:22:41 <norbert79> laterz! 16:22:41 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has left #openttd [] 16:22:43 <peter1138> yeah 16:24:32 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f730d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:29:45 *** Strid [~Strid@c-fe85e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:32:51 *** enr1x [~kiike@74.70.23.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:41:18 *** Samu [Samu@248.53.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 16:42:42 <Samu> hi 16:46:59 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:47:03 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 16:47:34 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:47:44 <Arie-> Hi 16:48:02 <Arie-> is it known that the website server list is acting weird? 16:48:03 <Eddi|nichZuHause> hm... 16:48:30 <Eddi|nichZuHause> anyone know how one can change the encoding in the windows cmd window? 16:49:06 <Rubidium> apparantly 300 MiB isn't enough for django 16:49:21 <Arie-> hmm it's doing normal now, just a minute ago, when viewing a server, every f5 would give a different server name in the server name bar 16:49:52 <Arie-> Eddi|nichZuHause top left corner; properties; font 16:51:53 <Eddi|nichZuHause> Arie-: there's nothing about encoding there 16:52:42 <Arie-> hmm thought so 16:52:45 <Arie-> must be wrong then 16:52:48 <Arie-> sorry 16:53:10 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-66.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:54:27 <Arie-> quick google gave me a stackoverflow on the matter 16:55:26 <glx> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1259084/what-encoding-code-page-is-cmd-exe-using 16:55:35 <glx> I'm still reading it 16:56:33 <glx> just change the font it seems 17:00:45 <Arie-> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/379240/is-there-a-windows-command-shell-that-will-display-unicode-characters 17:03:06 <glx> better :) 17:04:32 <Eddi|nichZuHause> it's all crazy... 17:05:02 <Eddi|nichZuHause> the first article fails to mention how i can set the encoding on cmd startup (i.e. in the link...) 17:09:27 *** green-devil [~greendevi@0603ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:10:13 *** b_jonas [~x@russell2.math.bme.hu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:11:48 <glx> cmd /u /q"chcp 65001" 17:11:57 <glx> but I still need the font 17:12:33 *** b_jonas [~x@russell2.math.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 17:13:16 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 17:14:05 <glx> hmm that command doesn't work 17:14:13 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF866D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:18:01 <Eddi|nichZuHause> apparently you can also put chcp in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Command Processor\AutoRun 17:19:05 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 17:32:15 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0b95c9.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:33:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6D687.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:33:51 <Eddi|nichZuHause> one of the most annoying parts about windows tab-completition is that it does not automatically add pathsep to directory names 17:34:21 <FauxFaux> No, the most annoying thing by far is when you press tab editing character 3 of a 4000 character input. 17:34:39 <Eddi|nichZuHause> ok, that might be bad ;) 17:36:56 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba94fb.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:37:17 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-153.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 17:37:56 *** lasershock [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:28 *** lasershock [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.189.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:15 <Samu> this translator thing is quite complicated 17:41:49 <Samu> how do I know what is what? 17:42:22 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:42:32 <Samu> how do I know where the message I'm editing will show up in the game? 17:42:49 <planetmaker> by playing the game. The name of the string usually is a good hint 17:43:08 <Wolf01> hello 17:43:19 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 17:43:20 <planetmaker> alternatively look through the source find it and then you know exactly where 17:43:21 <Eddi|nichZuHause> if in doubt, grep through the source after the StringID 17:43:22 <planetmaker> hi Wolf01 17:44:49 <b_jonas> Samu: or you grep the source of the game 17:44:53 <b_jonas> for that string 17:45:06 <b_jonas> ah, planetmaker already said that 17:45:06 <b_jonas> sorry 17:45:17 <Samu> grep? 17:45:19 <planetmaker> and eddi, too ;-) 17:45:29 <Samu> well I'm scared 17:45:37 <planetmaker> a search tool. Use what works for you 17:45:45 <Rubidium> Samu: Windows' "search in files", but then one that actually works 17:46:32 <Wolf01> I was thinking (chorus: oooooh) if it was possible to add a preview feature to the grfs, I say, a logo, a little snip of a screenshot like some of us have on our avatars or something else which might be helpful to understand what the grf contains 17:49:23 <Samu> one thing that is quite badly translator is 'road vehicle' 17:49:25 <Samu> translated 17:50:09 <Samu> whoever translated all 'road vehicle's strings should die, lol :p 17:50:11 <Samu> j/k 17:50:27 <Samu> he made a word for word translation 17:51:05 <Samu> how many strings are there for road vehicle? I'd have to edit them all 17:52:08 <planetmaker> search for them. WT3 has a search function 17:54:01 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.36.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55:03 <Samu> 65 17:56:26 <Samu> + 96 17:56:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:56:40 <Samu> ugh... 17:57:20 <planetmaker> well. It's a transport game. Has >2.5k strings. So 100 strings for RV related stuff is not too bad ;-) 17:58:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r21298 /trunk/src/ (fontcache.cpp fontcache.h strings.cpp): -Fix [FS#4261]: fonts set in openttd.cfg were not properly checked for missing glyphs on language change 17:59:58 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.104.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:01:51 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:01 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.200.216] has joined #openttd 18:06:49 <Samu> http://www.bing.com/search?q=rodovi%C3%A1rio&go=&form=QBRE&filt=rf 18:06:59 <Samu> that's the word 18:07:58 <Eddi|nichZuHause> he said BING! 18:08:28 <glx> Eddi|nichZuHause: he uses IE8 ;) 18:09:04 <Samu> what? 18:09:17 <Samu> the word is Rodoviário 18:09:34 <Samu> road vehicle = veÃculo rodoviário 18:09:49 <Terkhen> :O 18:10:38 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-233-182.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:10:44 <Samu> train = veÃculo ferroviário 18:10:49 <Samu> or comboio 18:10:59 <Rubidium> and trams? 18:11:03 <Samu> eléctrico 18:11:38 <Rubidium> trams fall in the category "road vehicles" in OpenTTD 18:12:07 <Samu> ok, I have to investigate 18:12:30 <Samu> but road vehicle the way he has it, sounds quite a noob translation 18:12:47 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:12:50 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:13:08 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:13:21 <Samu> same with bridges 18:13:46 <Samu> bridge of road 18:13:50 <Samu> really? 18:13:51 <Samu> lol 18:14:27 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:14:31 * frosch123 wants to shoot whoever invented drag&drop for selected text 18:14:35 <Terkhen> hmmm... FIRS has much more industries now 18:15:05 <__ln___> frosch123: indeed, i don't know anyone who actually uses it 18:15:34 <Rubidium> frosch123: just check the USPTO and there'll probably be a few hundred to kill 18:15:58 <Wolf01> frosch123, right, in some cases it's weird, especially when you need to tell new users how to select a text to copy it in notepad/word... 18:17:45 <frosch123> luckily i can disable it in my main editor, but in the other applications... 18:20:14 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@178-164-166-190.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 18:20:16 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@178-164-166-190.pool.digikabel.hu] has left #openttd [] 18:20:28 <b_jonas> you mean drag-drop from start to end to select a range of text, or drag-drop an already selected text to move or copy it? 18:21:48 <Samu> http://www.refer.pt/MenuPrincipal/TransporteFerroviario/Lexico.aspx?Letter=P 18:21:52 <Samu> found something interesting 18:22:06 <Samu> bridges don't need to be edited according to that site 18:22:13 <glx> Samu: you are the translator :) 18:22:28 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-174-72.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 18:22:59 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:23:59 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:12 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 18:24:21 <IchGuckLive> good evening from Germany 18:24:30 <planetmaker> hi 18:24:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21299 /trunk/src/saveload/afterload.cpp: -Fix (r21263): a road vehicle in a depot or wormhole could get into an incorrect state upon savegame conversion causing it to break up later in the game 18:25:35 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1abbe.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:26:50 <IchGuckLive> planetmaker: question : if i transport people by bau thru a large city ans unload in a Trainstation area. Becom the Trainstation more people ? 18:26:57 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-174-72.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 18:27:06 <IchGuckLive> bau = bus 18:27:09 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-174-72.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 18:29:07 <IchGuckLive> and does cole to power bring the sae profit as people to citys at the same distance ? 18:29:20 <planetmaker> no 18:29:32 <IchGuckLive> no to all 18:29:35 <planetmaker> there's a cargo payment graph 18:29:46 <IchGuckLive> on the wiki ? 18:30:33 <Belugas> on the game 18:30:34 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:30:54 <IchGuckLive> http://wiki.openttd.org/Cargo_income 18:31:00 <__ln___> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/8153927/North-Korea-broadcasts-propaganda-response-to-Yeonpyeong-Island-shelling.html 18:32:47 <Alberth> The 'graphs button' drop down in the game has a 'cargo payment graph' 18:35:53 <b_jonas> so basically diamond doesn't spoil easily by time, but gold does. I find these illogical, and so often look the prices up in the in-game chard 18:38:15 <b_jonas> the fastest spoiling cargo are: fruit, livestock, rubber, passengers, goods, food, valuables. 18:38:24 * planetmaker just transports any cargo. Without respect for profits 18:38:26 <b_jonas> (there's no fish cargo in vanilla) 18:39:08 <b_jonas> planetmaker: you don't even worry about what you transport by ship or other very slow method? 18:39:26 <Samu> can't find any lexic stuff about trams 18:39:51 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba94fb.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:39:55 <planetmaker> Well. That I do. Somewhat. Mostly I guess I _start_ with tow, three planes for cheap, quick money. And then start building my rail network 18:40:36 <b_jonas> planetmaker: let me give a hint: ships help you, because the original cargo ship is refittable only to the non-spoiling cargo 18:41:28 <b_jonas> planetmaker: and I guess even you know that coal is good in the early game, and no wonder, it doesn't spoile, and in the early game you have very slow trains or road vehicles only 18:42:06 <b_jonas> so it's sort of self-managing 18:42:28 <Samu> all I find when I search for trams is EV's 18:43:13 <Samu> is there a way to contact the other translators? 18:43:54 <planetmaker> b_jonas: while coal is a good cargo, making your money with it gives you very easily HUGE coal mines - and half your trains will ship coal ;-) 18:43:56 <Rubidium> no(t yet) 18:44:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r21300 /trunk/src/lang/ (polish.txt unfinished/chuvash.txt vietnamese.txt): 18:44:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:44:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: chuvash - 21 changes by mefisteron 18:44:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: polish - 3 changes by voythas 18:44:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: vietnamese - 1 changes by nglekhoi 18:44:03 <planetmaker> As such I usually start with two, three planes 18:44:20 <planetmaker> and then build whereever I think a ice network could start. Without thinking about money. 18:45:10 <b_jonas> planetmaker: I don't start with planes, but that depends on lots of things of course: terrain, grfs, difficulty settings, my playing style, my whim. 18:45:15 <Belugas> Samu, german translators have a topic on forums. Maybe you could do the same for your language (spanish, i believe) 18:45:19 <Lakie> Passenger networks are good for money 18:45:53 <b_jonas> Lakie: yes, especially if you run some buses in all unused towns early to find ones that will grow to cities 18:46:12 <planetmaker> b_jonas: they grow enough. No need to make building impossible ;-) 18:46:23 <Lakie> Aye, but even train networks are profitable, if you are willing to have the intial 'down' time 18:46:31 <planetmaker> of course 18:46:44 <planetmaker> running a decent coal route will give you more money than you can spend 18:46:44 <b_jonas> I like large cities both IRL and in the game 18:46:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21301 /trunk/src/lang/ (croatian.txt polish.txt slovak.txt): -Fix: failure of WT3 to properly validate some string... 18:47:40 <Lakie> I usually cash in on wood first, planetmaker, because later I can use the goods for more cash... 18:48:35 <planetmaker> well, it doesn't really matter. For a quick start a decently distanced mine->powerplant is slightly quicker. Then next can be wood ;-) 18:48:46 <Belugas> IRL? Intra Retina Lens? 18:49:04 <Lakie> In Real Life? 18:49:04 <Alberth> Ireland 18:49:10 <b_jonas> yes, in real life 18:49:22 <Belugas> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGGGG!!!!!!!! 18:49:30 <b_jonas> I start the goods networks later 18:49:40 <Belugas> you... 18:49:45 <Belugas> whatever... 18:51:05 <Alberth> please don't mention r**l here, persons may get upset 18:51:21 <planetmaker> really? ;-) 18:51:36 * Alberth eyes planetmaker 18:51:45 * planetmaker stares 18:51:56 <planetmaker> into Alberth's eyes 18:51:57 * Alberth looks away quickly 18:51:58 <Prof_Frink> I don't believe in reality. 18:51:59 *** planetmaker was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [CHOOOO!!!] 18:52:09 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:52:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ 18:52:15 <Belugas> lol! 18:52:17 <planetmaker> :-( 18:52:40 * Belugas hugs planetmaker until eyes popping out 18:52:45 <Alberth> Belugas does not need any defense from me :) 18:52:47 <planetmaker> :-D 18:53:05 <planetmaker> big boy. Good boy :-) 18:53:16 <Belugas> old boy 18:53:38 <Alberth> you are old only if you feel that way 18:55:31 <planetmaker> does wisdom come with age? :-P 18:55:45 <Belugas> i felt old when i finished transporting those concrete bags last friday ; 18:56:00 <Belugas> planetmaker : no, not at all... Not at my age, thoguh... 18:56:11 <__ln___> that's a concrete way to feel it 18:56:32 <planetmaker> Age does not always bring wisdom. Sometimes age comes alone? 18:56:48 * planetmaker quickly hides now 18:59:12 <Belugas> yup... age comes along with wrinkles(as if i care), hair desertion, vision problem and a certain tendancy to prefer comfort :) 18:59:43 <planetmaker> :-) 19:00:05 <Eddi|nichZuHause> i'll take wisdom without the age :p 19:03:16 <planetmaker> sounds like you tried an oxymoron by making that statement ;-) 19:03:29 <Belugas> yeah, you moron... 19:03:33 <Belugas> hem... 19:03:37 <Belugas> what's an oxymoron? 19:04:09 <planetmaker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxymoron 19:04:26 <planetmaker> a statement which is intrinsically contradictory to itself 19:06:00 <Prof_Frink> Or what you get when you burn a moron. 19:07:29 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100423140709]] 19:09:46 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 19:10:02 <Samu> I feel alone on this, couldn't find anything about trams and their lexic. Wikipedia, only brazillians edit it, I hate my country 19:11:40 <Samu> can you place trams under trains? 19:11:57 <Samu> nevermind 19:12:08 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f735d96.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:13:03 <Samu> there is seriously a severe lack of information from the portuguese on the internet 19:13:22 <Belugas> railroad sandwich! 19:15:06 <Belugas> therefor, Samu, go use a real dictionnary! 19:15:10 <Belugas> as in .. PAPER!! 19:15:30 <peter1138> as in .. NINJAM 19:15:38 <peter1138> oh, no, that's something different 19:17:36 <Samu> trams, trains and metro, they're basically the same 19:18:31 <Samu> they roll on "ferrovias" = rails 19:20:25 <__ln___> how many portuguese towns have trams? 19:20:41 <Samu> Lisboa 19:20:43 <planetmaker> books, *pads and deer hide are also the same. All can be used as things to read from 19:20:49 <Samu> I don't know much 19:21:06 <Samu> but I can go my train to catch a metro 19:21:22 <Samu> or I can go by tram to get in a metro 19:21:27 <Samu> or bus 19:21:36 <Wolf01> those are called 'hubs' 19:21:39 <Samu> yes 19:21:45 <Samu> I am not outgoing 19:22:01 * planetmaker has some work to do on OpenGFX+Trains 19:22:04 <Wolf01> you can also have an airport in the roof, but aircraft != train because is the same station :D 19:22:43 <Samu> what I mean is the type of way they use 19:22:45 <Samu> ferro = iron 19:22:47 <Samu> via = way 19:22:52 <Samu> ferrovia 19:23:15 <Samu> rodo = wheel 19:23:18 <Samu> via = way 19:23:42 <Samu> makes more sense for trams to be on the train category than road category 19:23:55 <Samu> I don't know how to translate it 19:24:10 <Samu> to make both trams and road vehicles fit 19:24:34 <Samu> to make a sensible translation 19:28:38 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 19:28:38 <Wolf01> metro can be like train, and metro usually uses both rails and rubber wheels, in fact people used to use grfs to add metro to trains, but I don't agree to place trams in trains since they aren't properly trains, they resemble a bus (or more than one) but it rolls on rails 19:29:16 <Alberth> trams often run in streets 19:29:52 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2A8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:33:22 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:33:56 <Samu> the way the translator made it, sounds like "vehicles of road" 19:34:10 <Samu> sounds odd 19:34:28 <b_jonas> "road vehicles" sounds odd too 19:34:41 <b_jonas> it does to me at least, maybe it doesn't really 19:34:53 <Samu> yes, it's an english thing 19:35:05 <Samu> when translated word for word makes little sense 19:35:50 <andythenorth> hello 19:36:08 <planetmaker> it helps to look up the key words in a real dictionary. We all don't speak porguise... (or I know no other here) 19:36:09 <Samu> hi 19:36:10 <Terkhen> hi andythenorth 19:36:13 <planetmaker> hi andythenorth 19:39:13 <Samu> if trams where under trains, then I would have no doubt how to translate road vehicles correctly 19:39:37 <Samu> I won't be editing this then 19:39:45 <Samu> I rather investigate first 19:41:17 <andythenorth> smoke smoke smokey smoke 19:41:46 <Rubidium> and the bandit? 19:41:51 <andythenorth> ha ha 19:41:58 <andythenorth> texas bound 19:42:45 <andythenorth> meh 19:42:53 <andythenorth> it's texarcana 19:44:18 *** rellig [~rellig@vs1191017.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 19:51:34 <Eddi|nichZuHause> why doesn't it make sense to have the "StraÃenbahn" under "StraÃenfahrzeuge"? 19:52:46 <Alberth> because "f" comes after "b" ? 19:52:54 <SmatZ> :P 19:57:14 *** MrSieb [~01Mr@chello062178128065.5.13.vie.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 19:57:33 <MrSieb> Hi there! 19:57:55 <SmatZ> hello 19:58:08 <MrSieb> I play around with the ECS vector sets 19:59:27 <MrSieb> so i waunt to ask ist there a possibility to unload partial amount of cargo on a station like 20t coals and go drive to the next station with the rest 19:59:40 <MrSieb> even the station takes this resource 19:59:54 <SmatZ> just don't set "unload" order 19:59:59 <SmatZ> default is "unload if accepted" 20:00:19 <MrSieb> if it is a neutral station unload transit wokrks but alos only full unload 20:00:30 <SmatZ> with conditional orders, you can later go to the next drop or back to pickup 20:00:52 <SmatZ> neutral station? 20:01:22 <b_jonas> MrSieb: why would you want to unload part of the coal only? 20:01:25 <MrSieb> a station which takes no resources 20:01:35 <MrSieb> what i want to do is 20:01:48 <Eddi|nichZuHause> best use cargodist ;) 20:01:48 <MrSieb> carry coals with a train to a town 20:01:51 <b_jonas> I can understand unloading coal but keeping the iron ore, or similar 20:02:07 <MrSieb> und tak a smal amount of the coals to carry it away on road 20:02:20 <MrSieb> but if the rail way station accpets coals 20:02:44 <MrSieb> i cant store there coals as stock 20:03:14 <Samu> question on phrase construction, for example, subsidy news 20:03:20 *** rellig [~rellig@vs1191017.vserver.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:30 <Samu> I see 3 {string} things 20:03:34 <SmatZ> if you use "unload" order, it will start piling in the station once the industry stops accepting the cargo 20:04:08 <andythenorth> use transfers 20:04:12 <Samu> any way to make a better phrase by moving some strings ahead of the other? 20:04:21 <Eddi|nichZuHause> Samu: yes 20:04:37 <Eddi|nichZuHause> {STRING:1} or so 20:04:39 <Samu> but I see {string} 3 times 20:04:52 <SmatZ> 1:STRING I think 20:05:00 <SmatZ> 0-2 is the order 20:05:04 <Eddi|nichZuHause> yes, one of those ;) 20:05:07 *** rellig [~rellig@vs1191017.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 20:05:56 <Samu> what about cargo in plural, in singular, capitalized, non-capitalized? 20:06:01 <Samu> how do I know what will the game pick? 20:06:05 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Format_of_langfiles <-- see section 'word order' 20:06:16 <Samu> thx 20:06:40 *** ding [~c3f16b5c@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:07:04 <ding> hi can someone help me on a server issue in ubuntu? 20:07:33 <planetmaker> @ports 20:07:33 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 20:07:41 <ding> i know :) 20:07:55 <ding> i already opened up both 3979 and 3978 20:08:10 <ding> when i do a port scan, i can see they are opened 20:08:30 <ding> but when i start my dedicated server (ubuntu) it gives this error: 20:08:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-15-231.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:08:35 <SmatZ> planetmaker: it misses the admin console port :) 20:08:37 <ding> sendto(master.openttd.org:3978 (IPv4)) failed with: 22 20:08:48 <planetmaker> quite indeed, SmatZ :S 20:09:11 <SmatZ> ding: what address did openttd bind to? 20:09:28 <ding> the address provided in openttd.cfg? 20:10:11 <ding> connect_to_ip = 127.0.0.1:3979 20:10:16 <ding> that one? 20:10:24 <planetmaker> that's an internal IP. Not a global one 20:10:55 <ding> do i need to provide my external ip there? 20:10:59 <SmatZ> [server_bind_addresses] 20:11:01 <SmatZ> I think 20:11:09 <SmatZ> if it is empty, it will bind to all addresses 20:11:17 <ding> localhost = 20:11:18 <ding> nothign 20:11:42 * SmatZ is not a network guy :( 20:12:29 <ding> no sorry about that ;) 20:12:30 * planetmaker neither really. Just leave the IP empty in the cfg 20:12:55 <ding> ok, does that count too for the "connect_to_ip" setting? 20:13:47 <SmatZ> ding: connect_to_ip is last joined server or something like that 20:14:12 <ding> oh ok 20:14:42 <ding> still got same error 20:14:51 <SmatZ> [21:12:28] <ding> localhost = <-- did you remove that line? 20:15:09 <ding> no, its empty 20:15:42 <SmatZ> try removing it 20:15:55 <SmatZ> and in the [network] section, try setting server_bind_ip = 0.0.0.0 20:16:31 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 20:16:34 <Muxy> yop 20:17:08 <Muxy> bind ip should be set to 0.0.0.0 20:17:14 <ding> i deleted the "localhost =" line and added server_bind_ip = 0.0.0.0 20:17:19 <ding> still got that error 20:18:27 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has left #openttd [PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 20:19:58 <ding> i can ping to master.openttd.org 20:20:49 <Rubidium> SmatZ: server_bind_ip is pre 1.0 20:21:08 <SmatZ> Rubidium: ooooo 20:21:15 <Wolf01> 'night 20:21:19 <Rubidium> the server_bind_addresses bit should be empty 20:21:20 <SmatZ> again, I am giving useless clues :p 20:21:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:21:43 <Rubidium> only when you really need to bind to a specific IP address you should add it there 20:21:59 <ding> maybe this helps: http://mibpaste.com/Fb20iN 20:22:36 <Rubidium> don't add the localhost after -D; that means bind to 127.0.0.1 and it causing all your trouble 20:22:43 <planetmaker> that looks like you did NOT properly configure your firewall or routers 20:23:02 <ding> the -D is for dedicated ? 20:23:10 <planetmaker> the server starts just fine, but the generated traffics on those ports doesn't find the way out 20:23:16 <planetmaker> (or in) 20:23:21 <Rubidium> planetmaker: read my thing... 20:23:29 <Rubidium> -D <ip-to-bind-to> 20:23:39 <Rubidium> localhost resolves to 127.0.0.1, so it binds to 127.0.0.1 20:24:00 <ding> if i provide my "outside" ip, would it help? 20:24:04 <Rubidium> 127.0.0.1 is not routed to the internet, so it can't connect 20:24:21 <Rubidium> ding: no, add nothing after -D 20:25:10 <ding> could not bind on IPv4 port 195.241.***.***:3979 (IPv4): Cannot assign requested address 20:25:21 <Rubidium> yes, it doesn't have that address 20:25:42 <ding> rubidium, I lost you... :( 20:25:50 <Rubidium> i.e. your computer doesn't have that address 20:26:06 <SmatZ> 107.92 20:26:14 <ding> lol, good gues ;) 20:26:18 <SmatZ> :) 20:26:40 <ding> could not bind on IPv4 port 195.241.107.92:3979 (IPv4): Cannot assign requested address 20:27:05 * Rubidium wonders how often he has to say that server_bind_addresses should be empty and nothing should be after -D 20:27:20 <SmatZ> :P 20:27:23 <ding> server_bind_addresses = empty 20:27:28 <SmatZ> :D 20:27:34 <ding> nothing is behind -D 20:27:48 <SmatZ> ding: remove everything from [server_bind_addresses] section 20:27:49 <Rubidium> then it will not bind to 195.241.107.92 20:28:29 <planetmaker> delete openttd.cfg actually might be a good idea ;-) 20:28:33 <SmatZ> :) 20:28:37 <Rubidium> if it tries to bind to the address from your router, then you have given that address somewhere to OpenTTD 20:29:46 <ding> ok .... we are getting somewhere 20:29:50 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30:03 <ding> it did find the query server :) 20:30:07 <ding> but .... 20:30:11 <ding> still got an error : 20:30:11 <ding> getaddrinfo for hostname "", port 0, address family IPv6 and socket type udp failed: Name or service not known 20:30:28 <Rubidium> that's fine if you don't have IPv6 20:30:34 <ding> i dont 20:30:40 <ding> ok, so many thanks guys 20:31:03 <SmatZ> ding: does it work now? 20:31:13 <SmatZ> do you have set forwarding? 20:31:21 <ding> yes 20:31:25 <ding> and yes 20:31:27 <SmatZ> good :) 20:31:43 <ding> if im right, you should be able to find the soldiersatwar server :) 20:32:11 <ding> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/37617 20:32:14 <SmatZ> :) 20:33:10 <ding> now i only have one problem left ;) when i query a serverlist in my openttd client (windows) openttd hangs (on sound events) 20:34:26 <Rubidium> not that elusive issue again... 20:34:39 <b_jonas> ding: it's waiting for the network to reply 20:35:05 <ding> ok, and what can i do about that ? 20:35:08 <Rubidium> b_jonas: the network stuff is handled in another thread, so it should not block the user interface 20:35:36 <ding> before i didnt have this issue :( 20:35:53 <Rubidium> ding: give us a stack trace of the state when it hangs, but that requires compiling a debug binary of OpenTTD in MSVC 20:36:04 <Rubidium> and some general MSVC debugging skills 20:36:51 <ding> hmm as you already suggested (i think) i don't have that skills :( 20:37:38 <ding> but if you want it, and you can explain what to do, maybe i can help out 20:38:04 <Rubidium> I can't explain it as I myself don't have the MSVC debugging skills 20:40:04 <ding> haha ok 20:40:54 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 20:41:06 <ding> is it smart to downgrade my version of openttd, to try and prevent this "network problem" issue? 20:41:27 <Rubidium> depends how far you are willing to take it 20:41:32 <planetmaker> your choice 20:41:34 <ding> very :p 20:41:40 <ding> dieing to play openttd :) 20:41:56 <Rubidium> the only versions I'm quite sure the network problem doesn't exist is less than 0.3.3 20:42:25 <planetmaker> :-D 20:42:27 <ding> woaw 20:42:45 <ding> ok, i always played it without any problems 20:43:05 <ding> last version i played succesfull was 1.0 ++ 20:43:12 <ding> dont know the exact version 20:44:09 <Rubidium> well, nothing changed to the network core since 1.0.0 20:44:29 <ding> strange..... 20:44:37 <Rubidium> so from OpenTTD's point of view there's no reason why it would happen in 1.0.5 and not in 1.0.0 20:44:59 <ding> so it should be something else ..... 20:45:06 <Rubidium> although you likely didn't only update OpenTTD 20:45:51 <ding> for as far as i know, i only did a reinstall of my windows 20:46:03 <ding> and reinstalled (the latest version) openttd 20:49:17 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba94fb.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:51:53 <ding> leaving for a reboot, i removed my virtual machine (maybe it helps preventing network issues) 20:51:57 *** ding [~c3f16b5c@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:59:46 *** ding [~c3f16b5c@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:00:39 *** Devedse_ [~Devedse@cable-213-34-233-182.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:02:32 *** ding2 [~c3f16b5c@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:02:56 *** Devedse_ [~Devedse@cable-213-34-233-182.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [] 21:04:06 *** SgobbiT [~sgobbit@95.232.242.190] has joined #openttd 21:04:25 <Devedse> Anyone can test if he can join the server "Devedse coop"? 21:04:48 <Terkhen> Devedse: http://www.openttd.org/en/servers 21:05:13 <Devedse> Terkhen, there's only 2 servers there :o 21:05:46 <Terkhen> for me it says 210 IPv4 servers and 29 IPv6 servers 21:06:22 *** ding [~c3f16b5c@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:06:29 <Terkhen> as long as your server does not appear in that list, no one will be able to connect to it 21:07:03 <Devedse> Yea it says that, but I can only see 2 servers in that list 21:07:19 <ding2> rubidium, can you explain a bit more what causes the connection problem in openttd? 21:07:38 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:08:56 <SmatZ> Devedse: reload the page 21:09:19 <SmatZ> hmm it looks all broken 21:09:24 <Devedse> ah there they are (after 10 times of reloading) 21:10:03 <Devedse> SmatZ, there's also no 1.0.5 servers in that list, so you're sure it's accurate? 21:10:18 <SmatZ> Devedse: I see 1 1.0.5 server there 21:10:25 <SmatZ> but few minutes ago, there were many 21:10:34 <Devedse> I only see 1.0.5 RC 21:10:47 <Devedse> And now i got 502 bad gateway 21:11:46 <Terkhen> that's strange... I see a lot of 1.0.5 servers and no errors :/ 21:12:10 <Terkhen> oh, now I get 502 too when clicking on a server 21:12:16 <Devedse> Yea now a few 1.0.5 just popped up 21:12:20 <glx> I see many 1.0.5 servers 21:12:20 <Devedse> but not mine :( 21:12:24 <glx> more that 10 21:12:26 <glx> *than 21:13:00 <Terkhen> @ports 21:13:00 <DorpsGek> Terkhen: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 21:13:01 <SmatZ> now it works again 21:13:08 <Devedse> hmm, I forwarded port 3979 21:13:12 <Terkhen> Devedse: did you open the required ports? 21:13:14 <Devedse> but nothing there 21:13:19 <Devedse> yep 21:13:32 <Devedse> 3978 is only outgoing right? 21:13:46 <glx> yup 21:14:48 <Devedse> oh :> internet -> advert was not switched on 21:15:32 <Devedse> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/37876 21:15:35 <Devedse> there we go :D 21:15:54 <glx> of course :) 21:16:51 <Samu> hmm a question 21:17:08 <Samu> it's complicated to make nice phrases 21:17:36 <Terkhen> :) 21:17:39 <Samu> I can only explain with examples 21:17:52 <Samu> coal production news for example 21:18:21 * Devedse loves watching his trains going 21:18:34 <Samu> ok, I see this in english 21:18:51 <Samu> Coal production at blabla mines decreases xx% 21:19:08 <Samu> to make a better translation 21:19:24 <Samu> I need to put production before Coal 21:19:36 <Samu> now translating the word at 21:19:44 <Samu> depends on the industry gender 21:19:47 <Alberth> Devedse: many people here do :) 21:20:02 <Samu> at could mean: do da de dos das 21:20:13 <Samu> in this case, coal mine, it's da 21:20:22 <Samu> how do I do this? 21:21:39 <Eddi|nichZuHause> with {G} 21:21:43 <Samu> but for coal only, it's de 21:22:07 <Samu> ok,I'll check it out 21:22:17 *** ding2 [~c3f16b5c@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:22:41 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:23:00 <Eddi|nichZuHause> Samu: at the beginning of your file, the genders should be defined like "##genders male female neutral pluralmale pluralfemale" 21:25:06 <Eddi|nichZuHause> Samu: and then at the industry you define "{G=pluralmale}coal mines" 21:25:44 <Eddi|nichZuHause> Samu: and in the message you define "{G 0:1 do da de dos das} {STRING}" 21:25:58 <__ln___> are there any languages (in existence) that have more than three genders? 21:26:04 <Eddi|nichZuHause> where the "0:1" can be varied to depend on another string 21:26:39 <Eddi|nichZuHause> like if you have "{1:STRING}" earlier, then you do "{G 1:1 ...}" or so 21:27:38 <Samu> I'm like 'huh?" 21:27:53 <Samu> trying to understand what you mean 21:28:52 <Samu> do I open portuguese.lng in notepad? 21:29:01 <Samu> or in web translator? 21:29:02 <Eddi|nichZuHause> not .lng ... .txt 21:29:19 <Eddi|nichZuHause> web translator can do this, too, but you can't test it then ;) 21:29:34 <andythenorth> frosch123: providing a z offset for smoke....just means an extra calculation for each of x and y? 21:29:42 <andythenorth> I'm not sure how / what though 21:30:32 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba94fb.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30:51 *** ding [~c3f16b5c@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:31:24 <ding> hi there, can someone help me on a desynchronization error? 21:31:32 <andythenorth> AI for FIRS supplies? 21:31:46 <andythenorth> seem like a good idea? 21:32:31 <glx> ding: hard to fix 21:32:48 <glx> we need steps to reproduce first 21:33:03 <frosch123> andythenorth: no, you have to add z 21:33:23 <frosch123> CreateEffectVehicleRel(v, x, y, 10, EV_STEAM_SMOKE); <- replace "10" by "z" 21:33:27 <andythenorth> to the code that places the effect vehicle? 21:33:31 <andythenorth> ah ok 21:33:41 <andythenorth> I thought maybe it had to be converted to the x,y system 21:33:53 <Samu> there is nothing in the gender field 21:34:00 <frosch123> no, they are all world coordinates relative to the vehicle 21:35:00 <Samu> http://translator.openttd.org/en/settings 21:35:04 <Samu> I'm at this page 21:35:09 <andythenorth> frosch123: that's very civilised :D 21:35:09 <Samu> I see nothing in gender 21:36:12 <ding> gtx, what do you need? :) 21:36:14 <Eddi|nichZuHause> Samu: english doesn't have genders 21:36:26 <Samu> I'm at the portuguese 21:36:45 <Samu> there's some settings I can change 21:36:53 <Eddi|nichZuHause> if none are defined yet, you can define them yourself 21:36:54 <frosch123> the portoguese translation does not use genders 21:36:59 <frosch123> the brazilian one does though 21:37:13 <Samu> yes it does 21:37:46 <Devedse> lolol I made an AI a while back and apparently it's still active: "Devedse AI started building near ..." -> LAG LAGGG GAME LAGGG LAGGGGG 21:38:05 <ding> gtx what do you need to debug? 21:38:21 <Samu> there's male, female and neither 21:38:27 <Samu> or neutral like you call it 21:38:51 <Samu> also plural male, plural female 21:39:06 <andythenorth> ok so z offset for smoke is not too hard :D 21:39:15 <Eddi|nichZuHause> yes, so you need 5 entries, which you can name whatever you like 21:39:32 <Samu> dog for example 21:39:53 <Samu> male non plural - cão 21:40:00 <Samu> female non plural - cadela 21:40:08 <Samu> male plurar - cães 21:40:13 <Samu> female plural - cadelas 21:40:47 <Samu> Portugal is without gender 21:40:57 <Samu> the word Portugal 21:41:03 <Eddi|nichZuHause> for example, german has 4 forms: male, female, neutral, plural [all genders] 21:41:14 <Eddi|nichZuHause> in the beginning you have "##gender m w n p" 21:41:49 <Eddi|nichZuHause> and in some string you have: Neue{G "r" "" "s" ""} {STRING} 21:42:14 <Eddi|nichZuHause> forming "Neuer" "Neue" "Neues" or "Neue", depending on the gender of following {STRING} 21:42:17 <Samu> what is this file you keep talking about, I don't know where to find it 21:42:31 <Terkhen> heh, I need a ridiculous amount of space to do junctions 21:42:39 <Eddi|nichZuHause> src/lang/german.txt, if you have a source checkout 21:42:48 <Eddi|nichZuHause> or the entries in webtranslator 21:43:04 <Eddi|nichZuHause> i can't look in webtranslator, since i don't have an account 21:43:27 <Samu> so I have to download the source? 21:43:32 <Samu> bah... 10 megas 21:43:38 <Eddi|nichZuHause> no, you can do this all in webtranslator 21:44:10 <SmatZ> you can't add cases/genders via WT, I think 21:44:47 <Eddi|nichZuHause> Samu: to test things locally, you can download http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/lang/portuguese.txt http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/lang/english.txt and http://www.openttd.org/en/download-strgen 21:45:25 <Eddi|nichZuHause> running "strgen portuguese.txt" will then generate portuguese.lng 21:45:55 <Eddi|nichZuHause> [that is, assuming you're testing with nightly openttd] 21:46:43 <Samu> there's also some words without plural 21:46:56 <Samu> their singular and plural are the same word 21:47:12 <Eddi|nichZuHause> Samu: you don't have to give forms for all words... 21:48:47 <Samu> hmm, I downloaded the file, in notepad it looks weird, which program should I use to se it? 21:49:12 <glx> a real editor :) 21:49:17 <Eddi|nichZuHause> Samu: try wordpad 21:49:41 <Terkhen> you should add some ++ to your notepad 21:49:59 <Eddi|nichZuHause> but really, _any_ editor other than notepad should do :p 21:50:22 <Eddi|nichZuHause> i recommend gvim ;) 21:50:37 <glx> notepad++ is nice 21:50:48 <Terkhen> notepad qualifies as an editor? 21:50:59 <glx> notepad is a notepad ;) 21:51:02 <Terkhen> :D 21:51:08 <glx> good enough for .bat 21:51:08 <Samu> using microsoft word 21:51:14 <glx> bad idea 21:51:17 <Samu> looks great 21:51:18 <Eddi|nichZuHause> Terkhen: about as much as a bobby car qualifies as a road vehicle :p 21:51:41 <glx> word will probably kill the file structure 21:51:45 <Samu> wordpad? 21:51:46 <Samu> ok 21:51:50 <Eddi|nichZuHause> Samu: with word you have to pay attention that you save it as plain text file, not as a word document 21:51:51 <Samu> do I have that? 21:52:01 <Terkhen> wordpad should do, I guess 21:52:07 <Eddi|nichZuHause> yes, wordpad is part of every windows. 21:52:09 <Samu> aha I have it 21:52:18 <Eddi|nichZuHause> word is not ;) 21:52:45 <Samu> looks great too 21:53:00 <Samu> actually no, looks with weird accents 21:53:21 <Samu> ##name Portuguese 21:53:21 <Samu> ##ownname Português 21:53:43 <glx> it's utf8 21:53:46 <Eddi|nichZuHause> then wordpad did not recognize UTF-8 properly 21:54:06 <glx> and the encoding must be utf8 21:54:17 <glx> you should try notepad++ 21:54:29 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:54:36 <Samu> ok let me see if I can change to utf-8 21:54:53 <glx> wordpad is old 21:55:22 <glx> arg in win 7 it doesn't look like worpad 21:56:23 * andythenorth updates smoke spec :P 21:56:24 <andythenorth> http://pastebin.com/kiXnW2EJ 21:57:17 <Samu> it works fine under ms word 21:57:26 <Samu> so I need to be careful 22:00:39 <andythenorth> good night 22:00:45 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:03:17 *** SgobbiT [~sgobbit@95.232.242.190] has left #openttd [] 22:05:32 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f730d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:49 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF866D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:40 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-233-182.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 22:10:20 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:13:16 *** Chris_Booth_ [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:13:19 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe8bde00-63.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 22:15:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r21302 /trunk/src/network/core/tcp_http.cpp: -Fix (r18994): do not add HTTP connection to list of connections when it fails in the beginning 22:15:41 <Rawh> planetmaker: ordered a new macbook pro o/ 22:15:49 <Rawh> damn freaking hole in my wallet now 22:15:57 <Rawh> hope it fills up again soon >.> 22:16:04 * Rawh ponders 22:16:12 <planetmaker> he :-) 22:16:12 <Rawh> I guess it ships with snow leopard 22:16:26 <Rawh> I'm so used to just leopard :( 22:17:42 <Rawh> planetmaker: oh and sorry for hilight, I won't do it to much! :P 22:18:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r21303 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/updater/udp.cpp: [MSU] -Fix: use 'delete' for data allocated by 'new' 22:18:28 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:28 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 22:18:53 <planetmaker> thank you ;-) 22:19:04 <Rawh> O:-) 22:20:41 <Eddi|nichZuHause> "i'll just do it another time just to apologize" :p 22:20:55 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 22:20:56 <Rawh> ssshhh, don't say that outloud 22:21:13 <Rawh> he's catch on to me and do worse bofh things 22:21:16 <Rawh> he'll 22:21:23 <Rawh> god my typing sucks tonight :( 22:21:41 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-97-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:22:32 <planetmaker> nah, not from hell ;-) 22:22:36 <planetmaker> Hell is boring ;-) 22:22:48 <Rawh> "Been there, done that, got the T-shirt" ? 22:22:58 <__ln___> Hell is in Norway 22:23:33 <Chrill> HEll no 22:23:37 <Chrill> well yes 22:23:38 <Rawh> Hell.no ? 22:23:40 <Chrill> ok sorry, go on 22:23:46 * Chrill scuttles off 22:24:58 <__ln___> for example, http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/H_f59HRP6Jq0JAcVB2V27w 22:26:27 <Eddi|nichZuHause> funnily, in german, "hell" means "bright" ;) 22:27:38 <Eddi|nichZuHause> __ln___: obviously, that is "hell.no" ;) 22:27:45 <Rawh> hehe 22:29:20 <Eddi|nichZuHause> Orte: * Hell (Kalifornien) * Hell (Michigan) * Hell (Norwegen) * Hell (Gelderland) 22:31:10 <glx> so california and michigan are countries ? 22:31:39 <Eddi|nichZuHause> about as much as Gelderland... so actually Norway is a province ;) 22:31:58 <Rawh> Gelderland hasn't flooded yet? 22:33:32 <Eddi|nichZuHause> wasn't the entire purpose of the netherlands to "un-flood" land? ;) 22:33:45 <Xaroth> we rawk at un-flooding land! 22:33:54 <Eddi|nichZuHause> they've been doing that for like 300 years now... 22:35:46 <Rawh> In Friesland we have 'terpen', I wonder if we can teach that to more people :P 22:36:03 <Rawh> a mound 22:36:08 <Xaroth> wait, friesland hasn't flooded yet? damnit 22:36:11 <Rawh> ... that just sounds wrong 'terpen' 22:36:29 <Rawh> Xaroth: yes it has, it was transformed 22:36:35 <Rawh> now friesians live there 22:36:52 <Rawh> kinda like france, the country itself: wonderful... the people... ugh 22:37:10 <Rawh> hope I didn't make to many enemies with saying that :( 22:37:34 <glx> hehe 22:37:42 <glx> we are known for that :) 22:37:51 <Rawh> french or friesians? 22:37:56 <glx> french 22:37:56 <Xaroth> both! :P 22:38:02 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:19 <glx> and it's worse in big cities 22:38:23 <Rawh> good, so my understanding of the world and beyond isn't that fucked up as popular believe(d) 22:41:28 <ding> is it possible to show automatic messages in a openttd server? 22:41:44 <Rawh> oh lord, no, no spam! 22:41:45 <Eddi|nichZuHause> dependss 22:41:45 <Xaroth> ding: define 'automatic messages' ? 22:42:02 <glx> like "welcome ..." ? 22:42:08 <ding> every 10 minutes a message for example 22:42:12 <glx> no 22:42:16 <Rawh> yep, spam... 22:42:21 <ding> glx welcome message is good 2 22:42:23 <Xaroth> some people made a wrapper for the server for that 22:42:31 <glx> welcome message is easy 22:42:36 <Chris_Booth> I am sure you could write the into autopilot 22:42:43 <glx> check scripts dir 22:42:51 <glx> and ask the wiki 22:42:52 <ding> kk 22:42:58 <ding> tanks 22:43:16 <Chris_Booth> you could even spam your clients with a little TCL knowledge and the autopilot script from openttdcoop.dev 22:43:28 <Chris_Booth> but not sure why you would want to 22:43:34 <glx> isn't autopilot outdated ? 22:43:48 <Xaroth> planetmaker will know most likely :P 22:43:54 <Rawh> time for nap, nn o/ 22:44:07 <ding> ok thanks guys 22:44:18 <Chris_Booth> not sure AP is what I use but I think it was being replaced by AV 22:44:38 <glx> and IIRC AP+ is python 22:44:58 <planetmaker> nah. ap and ap+ both are TCL 22:45:09 <Xaroth> IT LIVES! 22:45:09 <planetmaker> the new one, which dih writes, that's in java 22:45:16 <Xaroth> java O_O 22:45:21 <planetmaker> but it's not yet functional 22:45:41 <glx> talking through the admin port ? 22:45:45 <Xaroth> good, kill it with fire before it becomes intelligent :P 22:45:54 <Chris_Booth> but still AP and AP+ could have extensions added to them to pointlessly message all clients 22:46:44 <Chris_Booth> and good evening planetmaker 22:47:03 <planetmaker> glx, yes the new java stuff is for the admin port 22:47:06 <planetmaker> hi Chris_Booth 22:48:12 <Xaroth> ooh, this admin port looks interestings 22:48:21 <Chris_Booth> long time no see planetmaker 22:48:29 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 22:48:58 <Chris_Booth> that maybe as I have been busy, and I have stopped playing your servers 22:50:24 <Xaroth> ooh, some typos in the docs for admin network 22:55:26 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:56:25 <Samu> sorry for bothering you again 22:56:41 <Samu> on this page http://translator.openttd.org/en/settings 22:56:53 <Samu> for my language, there's gender and case 22:57:11 <Samu> case is the case sensitivity, right? 22:57:24 <Samu> if the first word on a phrase 22:57:48 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-66.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 22:57:55 <Samu> gender is still empty 22:57:58 <Samu> can I add stuff there? 22:57:59 <Chris_Booth> Case is UPPERCASE and lowercase 22:58:28 <Xaroth> glx: http://svn.opendune.org/~xaroth/docs.patch 22:58:45 <Xaroth> some typos i found while quickly reading docs/admin_network.txt 22:58:49 <Samu> there's 5 types of genders if I count plurals, or only 3? 22:59:06 <Samu> how should I add genders when counting plural genders? 22:59:37 *** ding [~c3f16b5c@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:00:44 <glx> case is like the thing in latin 23:02:49 <Terkhen> good night 23:03:16 <planetmaker> good night Terkhen & all others, too 23:03:32 <Xaroth> o/ 23:04:04 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:05:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r21304 /trunk/docs/admin_network.txt: -Fix (r21005): some typos in documentation (Xaroth) 23:05:42 <Xaroth> <3 23:06:12 <glx> <Samu> there's 5 types of genders if I count plurals, or only 3? <-- depends on how you will use them in translation 23:06:30 <glx> in french there are 2 genders but I use 3 in translation 23:07:19 <glx> male female and another male for cleaner translation 23:07:30 <Samu> glx, can you help me a bit with this so I can get started for once 23:07:55 <Samu> there's male non plural, female non plural, male plural, female plural and neutral 23:08:12 <Samu> neutral can apply to both plural and non plural 23:08:39 <Samu> I tried looking in the .txt file for industry genders and I can't find it 23:09:36 <glx> for now there are no genders at all in portuguese translation 23:09:48 <Samu> but there are of course 23:09:53 <Samu> how do I fix that 23:10:09 <glx> first step is to add the #gender pragma 23:10:44 <glx> then add {G=...} for strings like industry names 23:11:08 <glx> then use {G ... ... ...} in industry news messages 23:11:55 <Samu> can it be done in the web translator? 23:11:55 <Samu> add a pragma? 23:14:39 <glx> that part can't be done in WT for now but just tell us what to add and we'll add it 23:14:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21305 /extra/masterserver_updater/docs/mysql-database-structure.sql: [MSU] -Document: some changes to the table structures 23:15:18 <glx> then you can add {G=...} and {G ... ...} yourself 23:17:24 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 23:17:34 <Samu> I studied french 23:17:53 <glx> in french I use m, m2 and f, in spanish it's masculino and feminino, in german m, w, n, p 23:18:02 <glx> just tell what you want to use :) 23:18:08 <Samu> there's 2 genders and 1 for plural engobing both genders 23:18:26 <Samu> hmm 23:18:35 <Samu> well, I need to be really sure about it, right? 23:18:41 <glx> right, but for the translations I needed 2 male type ;) 23:19:01 <glx> (for l') 23:19:09 <Rubidium> l'automobile 23:19:19 <glx> that's female 23:19:31 <glx> wrong example ;) 23:19:39 <glx> it was for l'aéronef 23:19:42 <Rubidium> whenever I guess I'm wrong :) 23:20:12 <Samu> m, f, mp, fp, n ? this? 23:20:21 <glx> yes for a start 23:20:30 <Samu> what about that plural thing? 23:20:35 <Samu> about the 1 and 0 23:20:44 <Samu> 1 is singular, rest is plural? 23:20:53 <glx> that's handled by {P ...} 23:21:17 <Rubidium> depends on the setting 23:21:20 <glx> and german uses genders too for some stuff 23:21:43 <glx> but plural is mainly done via {P} 23:22:13 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1abbe.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 23:22:15 <Samu> I wonder how the brazillian guy did it with just 3 genders 23:22:24 <glx> for now maybe you can start with just m p n 23:22:36 <glx> and request more if you need them 23:22:49 <glx> hmm m f n :) 23:23:10 <Samu> ok 23:23:12 <glx> start with the basics :) 23:23:15 <Samu> I request m f and n 23:23:19 <Samu> those are garanteed 23:23:44 <Rubidium> are any of the industries plural in Portuguese? 23:23:47 <Rubidium> e.g. the oil wells 23:24:01 <Samu> yes 23:24:09 <Samu> poços de petróleo 23:24:11 <glx> so maybe a p too 23:24:17 <Samu> poços being plural 23:24:34 <Samu> male plural 23:24:57 <Samu> poças would be female plural 23:24:59 <Rubidium> then check all the cargos and industries whether they are plural 23:25:08 <glx> or directly m f n mp fp 23:25:49 <Samu> ok 23:26:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r21306 /trunk/src/lang/portuguese.txt: -Add: genders for portuguese language 23:27:23 <Samu> coal mine: mina de carvão - female nonplural 23:27:47 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r21307 /trunk/src/lang/portuguese.txt: -Fix (r21306): forgot a # 23:28:20 <Samu> power station: central eléctrica - female nonplural 23:28:32 <glx> ok they are in WT now 23:28:57 <Samu> sawmill: oficina de carpintaria - female nonplural 23:29:14 <glx> no need to list that here :) 23:29:20 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-66.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:29:34 <glx> just set {G=..} for them 23:29:54 <Samu> ok 23:32:31 <Samu> let's see if I understand 23:33:19 <Samu> nope, I don't understand, lol 23:33:28 <Samu> now I see a All, m, f, n, mp, fp 23:33:52 <Samu> does it mean there's a phrase for each gender? 23:34:17 <glx> no you just select the gender for the string 23:34:27 <glx> All means no {G=} 23:34:52 <glx> so for sawmill you select f 23:36:06 <Samu> ah!!! 23:36:11 <Samu> I think i'm getting there 23:36:51 <glx> then in the string that use these strings you use {G ... .... .... .... ....} 23:37:44 <Samu> what are those dots? 23:37:47 <glx> like {G le l' la} {STRING} 23:38:02 <Samu> ah 23:38:12 <Samu> o as os as 23:38:21 <Samu> do das dos das de 23:38:27 <glx> with string being {G=f}voiture {G=m}bateau {G=m2}avion 23:38:32 <Samu> no na nos nas em 23:38:36 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.36.217] has joined #openttd 23:38:48 <Rubidium> ti ta tovenaar 23:39:00 <Samu> ok, let's see 23:39:21 <Samu> http://translator.openttd.org/en/trunk/pt_PT/STR_INDUSTRY_NAME_SAWMILL 23:39:33 <Samu> it says All, I just change to f 23:39:49 <Rubidium> yep, then press save 23:41:04 <Samu> done, ok i'm editing them all 23:41:24 <Samu> then I have to edit newspaper and ticketnews 23:41:29 <Samu> that's gonna be another headache 23:42:03 <glx> one suggestion, do industries and industry news and wait for next nightly ;) 23:42:18 <glx> to check the result before doing something else 23:42:59 <glx> if it's ok for you, you can then do the rest 23:58:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21308 /trunk/src/network/network.cpp: -Fix [FS#4262] (r20933-ish): crash upon desync