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02:41:06  <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like a trojan or something...
02:53:07  <Katje_> I think I found a bug
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02:53:33  <Katje_> total profit from ship 1: -31,667
02:53:48  <Katje_> total profit from ship 2: 72,545
02:53:56  <Katje_> (I only have two ships)
02:54:04  <Katje_> total ship income: 270,042
02:54:19  <Katje_> total shit running costs: -71,927
02:54:33  <Katje_> some where here, one of these numbers is wrong
02:54:46  <Wolf01> the shit running cost
02:55:05  <Katje_> known bug?
02:55:16  <Wolf01> wasn't it catch the error?
02:55:53  <Katje_> ??
02:56:04  <Wolf01> shiT <-
02:56:17  <Katje_> oh right
02:56:20  <Katje_> no, thats just my typo
02:56:29  <Katje_> look at the numbers again
02:58:24  <Wolf01> yes, there's something strange, did you use transfers?
02:58:49  <Katje_> yes
02:59:05  <Katje_> the ship that made the massive loss is doing transfers
02:59:27  <Wolf01> then there's a virtual incoming to sum
03:01:17  <Wolf01> gah... 4.00AM need to sleep
03:01:24  <Wolf01> 'night
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06:53:09  <m2rt> Hey! Has anyone seen a script for multiplayer game where the script counts the "winning condition" and announces the TOP5 of players? Based on previously stated conditions.
06:53:54  <m2rt> Something like a rewrite of the Company league but that would show points and let user specify what to count... (even in code, not with gui)
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07:07:54  <Terkhen> good morning
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07:09:23  <m2rt> Morning Terkhen, you know an answer to my question?
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07:10:24  <Terkhen> I don't know if programs like autopilot have functionality (I have never used them) but my guess is that they don't
07:10:38  <Terkhen> s/have functionality/have that functionality/
07:11:55  <m2rt> Hmm... I think I should try to install autopilot and then try to modify/add functionality? OR try to edit the company league... What do you think?
07:13:14  <Terkhen> sorry, but I already tried to answer difficult questions before my coffee and failed :)
07:13:17  <Terkhen> I'll be back in five minutes
07:14:04  <m2rt> Hehe, okey! Thanks.
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07:20:41  <Terkhen> m2rt: I don't know much about server management, but I think that autopilot or another program with similar functions (IIRC there was some work in a different version of it) will probably be useful even if it cannot solve your current issue
07:21:14  <Terkhen> and I don't think that OpenTTD is supplying that info, in that case you wouldn't be able to fetch it with any external program
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07:22:59  <m2rt> Thanks! I will look at the source of the game and see what I can do.
07:25:05  <Terkhen> I suggest that you start looking in company* files
07:25:43  <m2rt> Yeah, am doing that atm...
07:26:01  <m2rt> I know some PHP... But never have used C++
07:28:40  <ccfreak2k>
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08:30:26  <m2rt> [tcp] could not bind on IPv4 port (IPv4): Cannot assign requested address
08:30:28  <m2rt> WHoah?
08:30:39  <m2rt> Why is it connecting to that address? :O
08:31:21  <m2rt> I will just delete the cfg and try again...
08:31:57  <m2rt> Heh... With new conf it works...
08:35:52  <peter1138> hm
08:36:10  <peter1138> binding is not connecting, but yeah
08:37:05  <m2rt> yeah, my mistake in wordin :P
08:37:27  <Terkhen> the christmas forum theme is back :)
08:38:45  <b_jonas> what, already?
08:38:50  <b_jonas> it's only december the 2nd
08:41:07  <Terkhen> yes, too late... the christmas decorations of some stores around here have been in place for a month already :P
08:41:48  <m2rt> Same here...
08:43:23  <Terkhen> I guess that Pavlov was right for humans too
08:43:40  <Terkhen> red+white everywhere = buy expensive stuff
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08:46:20  <Rubidium> Terkhen: s/christmas/winter/
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08:48:43  <Terkhen> ok :)
08:51:03  <Terkhen> oh, there's an Electricity cargo at the list of cargo types too
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08:56:19  <b_jonas> Terkhen: it would make sense to transport water using pipes, so electricity isn't much worse either
08:57:40  <Terkhen> IMO if it does not need vehicles to be transported, it is not a cargo
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08:59:38  <b_jonas> there's also a good reason why TTD doesn't have teleport towers (which can instantously and cheaply transport anything to any distance) invented in 2100
09:00:00  <Terkhen> yes, the game would be quite boring then
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09:01:38  <b_jonas> though it might make sense to have new technologies, like more efficient super-factories built after 2000
09:02:21  <Terkhen> that can be done via NewGRFs
09:05:02  <planetmaker> good morning
09:05:13  <Terkhen> good morning planetmaker
09:06:34  <planetmaker> [10:03]	<m2rt>	[08:11:58] Hmm... I think I should try to install autopilot and then try to modify/add functionality? OR try to edit the company league... What do you think? <-- to my knowledge no such script of patch exists as open-source
09:07:13  <planetmaker> If you want to go for that I'd like to advise you to rather write something new connecting to the newly introduced admin port than hacking away on the deprecated ap(+)
09:07:37  <m2rt> Can you give me a link to the admin port?
09:07:45  <planetmaker> source code ;-)
09:07:51  <planetmaker> but let me look...
09:08:28  <planetmaker> the only project which I know existing and interfacing it is this:
09:08:48  <planetmaker> it's a pretty new feature within OpenTTD
09:08:52  <planetmaker> like 1 month or so
09:08:58  <planetmaker> so nothing existing
09:09:20  <m2rt> Hmm, thanks planetmaker!
09:09:58  <planetmaker> you might try to chat up on Xaroth, too
09:10:17  <planetmaker> I heart he toyed around with some things interfacing that, too. But I don't have an URL for his works
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09:17:19  <m2rt> What is the -c flag when starting openttd?
09:18:10  <Terkhen> I don't know, but use openttd -h
09:18:15  <peter1138> yeah, check the help
09:18:29  <peter1138> its' probably to specify a config file...
09:19:59  <m2rt> yeah, config file. thanks
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09:21:43  <m2rt> Did I get this properly? Once you have copied the files to your linux machine you start openttd by ./openttd -D
09:21:54  <m2rt> Right? There is no openttd.cfg file in the start.
09:22:18  <m2rt> I just want to get this straight as I am having problems. And yes, the file is set to be executable...
09:22:29  <Terkhen> it should be created the first time you start openttd
09:23:05  <m2rt> Yes, but it won't as openttd fails with ./openttd -D   BUT if there is no config then I can start the game with ./openttd -D -c openttd.cfg and it works!
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09:23:24  <m2rt> When I start with -c flag then it works second time too. But with only -D it won't...
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09:23:37  <m2rt> Gives: dbg: [net] [tcp] could not bind on IPv4 port (IPv4): Cannot assign requested address
09:23:37  <m2rt> dbg: [net] [server] could not start network: Could not create listening socket
09:24:47  <Terkhen> check readme.txt, specifically the part in which it specifies where OpenTTD looks for cfg files
09:24:55  <m2rt> ok!
09:28:00  <m2rt> Ugh... I feel so stupid now :D
09:28:43  <m2rt> Though had to name the executable to ottd as apparently I can't have a file without extension with the same name as a directory
09:30:20  <peter1138> erm
09:30:23  <peter1138> no, that's pretty obvious
09:30:53  <Xaroth> for once I have to agree with peter1138
09:31:16  <peter1138> for once? :S
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10:29:36  <dih> morning
10:31:30  <Terkhen> hi dih
10:33:26  <fjb> Moin
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10:49:04  <Eddi|zuHause> oh... it's that time of the year again
10:49:10  <Eddi|zuHause> where i can't read the forums
10:49:56  <Eddi|zuHause> because it's now not only a strain on my patience, but also on my eyes....
10:51:02  <dih> Eddi|zuHause, you can change that template in your settings ;-)
10:51:21  <Eddi|zuHause> dih: but not to the normal theme. only to some weird generic themes
10:51:54  <Eddi|zuHause> "Pest und Cholera"
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11:05:00  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but... it's beautiful
11:06:59  <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: it actually really hurts my eyes.
11:07:43  <planetmaker> dark on bright is the better readable way than vice versa
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11:08:22  <Rubidium> then I've got messed up eyes
11:08:28  <Rubidium> but I already knew that
11:09:07  <planetmaker> it's said to be less tiring
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11:11:03  <planetmaker>
11:12:44  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: there are lots of things wrong with the winter theme, but what actually physically hurts me is the red on gray for the thread titles
11:12:59  <planetmaker> he
11:13:24  <planetmaker> it's not that bad IMHO. But worse than default for sure
11:13:34  <Eddi|zuHause> IT IS THAT BAD
11:13:39  <Eddi|zuHause> IT actually HURTS!
11:13:47  <Eddi|zuHause> this is not a joke
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12:20:36  <peter1138> hmm, where's andythenorth...
12:22:36  <planetmaker> probably cleaning diapers ;-)
12:22:48  <Rubidium> under a foot of snow?
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13:16:47  <peter1138> hmm, well, this gives interesting results, but it's like variety
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13:52:59  <Wolf01> hello
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14:09:44  <Belugas> hello
14:10:28  <norbert79> my eyes... This new skin on tt-forums was the worst choice...
14:11:11  <glx> it's not new ;)
14:11:23  <planetmaker> old shoes in new boxes ;-)
14:11:34  <norbert79> and yellow on these whites...
14:11:40  <norbert79> perrrfect :)
14:12:35  <planetmaker> norbert79: if you have yellow on white you need to clear your cache
14:13:01  <planetmaker> it's green on white
14:13:06  * fjb hates blister packs.
14:13:14  <fjb> Moin Belugas
14:13:18  <norbert79> planetmaker: k, let me see
14:13:29  <planetmaker> heya Belugas & fjb
14:13:37  <norbert79> planetmaker: Btw why can't the page force me reloading the graphics then? :)
14:13:38  <fjb> Moin planetmaker
14:15:39  <norbert79> planetmaker: Still unchanged
14:15:41  <norbert79> planetmaker:
14:15:42  <fjb> Where is the tutorial for opening this pack?
14:16:24  <Belugas> hi hi boys :)
14:16:31  <glx> norbert79: should be green
14:16:32  <planetmaker> norbert79: because it would force it for everyone then. Which would HUGE traffic
14:16:49  <planetmaker> instead hitting once ctrl+r or F5 does the trick
14:16:55  <norbert79> glx: Well, it's not :)
14:16:56  <planetmaker> or whatever works for your browser
14:17:24  <norbert79> better...
14:17:31  <norbert79> must been changed recently, right?
14:17:38  <planetmaker> see. First follow advice, then complain ;-)
14:17:45  <Belugas> ho... shoo... i had to refresh tt-forums :S
14:17:55  <Belugas> snow all over the place now
14:18:06  <fjb> Like outside my home.
14:18:19  <norbert79> just stopped here doing it
14:18:29  <norbert79> planetmaker: Hoho, now you got me this time ;-)
14:18:53  <Belugas> that's the irony. thre is no snow outside.  it's around 4 celcius now :)
14:18:59  <Belugas> i would not complain...
14:19:07  <norbert79> I don't
14:19:14  <planetmaker> Belugas: invert everything of your statement and it would be true here.
14:19:16  <norbert79> after yesterday, Its fine
14:19:44  <planetmaker> no irony, 3 ... 5 inches snow, and well below freezing
14:19:45  <Belugas> i sympatize
14:19:56  <planetmaker> well. I love it :-)
14:20:16  <planetmaker> I love each season. And it's winter time so it may well be real winter.
14:20:34  <planetmaker> Not just a drizzle and a strong North-Easterly
14:20:40  <planetmaker> at 0°C
14:21:23  <fjb> -5°C here.
14:21:56  <fjb> Ah, this blister pack needs cutting edge technology.
14:26:22  <V453000> -11 here -.-
14:28:48  <SmatZ> inside
14:29:03  <fjb> And I always thougt it is cold in Canada.
14:31:11  <Belugas> it will be... it's an exceptionnaly mild weather, currently :)
14:31:28  <glx> you're lucky
14:34:12  <Belugas> quite :)  and I do appreciate it, believe me!
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14:52:04  <Eddi|zuHause> we have more like 25cm or even 30cm snow now...
14:53:27  <norbert79> horizontal or vertical size? :)
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14:55:53  <Belugas> feels strange to see people talking about snow at their place while still on the grass ..
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15:13:05  <Eddi|zuHause> <norbert79> planetmaker: Btw why can't the page force me reloading the graphics then? :) <-- Ctrl+F5
15:13:37  <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: You are a bit slow ;-)
15:13:37  <norbert79> Way done
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15:15:16  <SHADOW-XIII> hi people, looking for GRF to have snow in temperate climate, best with adjustable snowline height
15:15:38  <fjb> Eddi is not the most sportive guy.
15:16:09  <fjb> Snow in temperate is not possible.
15:16:11  <planetmaker> SHADOW-XIII: not within OpenTTD
15:16:20  <V453000> why do you need such a thing btw :O
15:16:25  <SHADOW-XIII> damn ottd taking all the fun :(
15:16:40  <V453000> well, alpine climate does that basically
15:16:45  <Rubidium> V453000: it *needs* to copy everything from TTDPatch
15:16:47  <glx> but you can have temperate in snow
15:16:55  <V453000> Rubidium: :D
15:17:12  <SHADOW-XIII> anyone can give link to alpine climate? grfcrawler link is dead
15:17:14  <planetmaker> alpine is pretty useless
15:17:24  <V453000> yes but it might satisfy him
15:17:49  <V453000> what is so bad about alpine btw?
15:17:58  <planetmaker> Did you ever look how broken it is?
15:18:08  <planetmaker> It only works with the TTD base set
15:18:09  <V453000> no, I played psg184 with it and it was fine
15:18:12  <V453000> oh :D
15:18:18  <V453000> well, then I haven't noticed ofc
15:18:28  <planetmaker> or you'll have half houses. Half snowed and everything totally ugly
15:18:45  <V453000> interesting
15:18:52  <planetmaker> It's definitely a never in MP to be used
15:18:54  <V453000> well, I still enjoyed the game :D
15:19:01  <SHADOW-XIII> strange I think it used to work fine (at least in ttdp)
15:19:14  <planetmaker> yes. There you use the TTD base set...
15:19:17  <glx> with TTD grfs yes
15:19:33  <glx> but opengrf sprites are different :)
15:20:01  <V453000> I am pretty sure I checked that, but obviously not enough :) will do 2nd try when I come home
15:20:02  <peter1138> hm
15:20:55  <SHADOW-XIII> any link for alpine then?
15:21:10  <planetmaker> the coop grfpack has it
15:21:13  <Ammler> coop wiki -> grf_table
15:21:33  <V453000> google is an amazing thing too
15:21:48  <planetmaker> oh, don't try it with FIRS
15:21:53  <Ammler> :-)
15:22:04  <SHADOW-XIII> got it
15:22:20  <planetmaker> it's an industry set as well, thus it will fail there, too
15:22:24  <V453000> would FIRS disable?
15:22:26  <planetmaker> yes
15:22:29  <V453000> :)
15:23:13  <SHADOW-XIII> industry ? oh noes
15:23:49  <V453000> it only changes farm behavior if I am right (?)
15:24:25  <SHADOW-XIII> but i am playing ecs
15:24:59  <V453000> then you will have to disable it I suppose
15:25:13  <SHADOW-XIII> oh well, no snow for me then :(
15:25:52  <V453000> solved
15:27:06  <planetmaker> not sure about ECS whether it knows it and works around it. I think it messes with more industries than just farms
15:27:08  <norbert79> SHADOW-XIII: hah, you are also seen sometimes too, nice :)
15:27:30  <SHADOW-XIII> ?
15:27:42  <norbert79> I only see you in the forums :)
15:27:55  <SHADOW-XIII> i drop here from time to tim
15:27:56  <norbert79> or maybe I am at times here, where you are inactive :)
15:27:57  <SHADOW-XIII> +e
15:28:02  <norbert79> I see :)
15:28:05  <V453000> pm: yea, I think oil wells are influenced as well, maybe even something more
15:28:06  <SHADOW-XIII> very rarely though
15:28:40  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure there is a snow-in-temperate patch
15:28:50  <Eddi|zuHause> something r9000-ish ;)
15:29:13  <SHADOW-XIII> heh, too bad, my android ottd is 1.0.5 only, not to shabby to compile it myself
15:29:52  <Eddi|zuHause> you can also patch alpine grf to disable the industry part
15:30:00  <Eddi|zuHause> it's a one liner, if you know which line
15:30:08  <SHADOW-XIII> no idea :)
15:30:23  <Eddi|zuHause> well, you can't see without looking...
15:30:23  <SHADOW-XIII> no problem, maybe in 1.0.6 :)
15:30:36  <SHADOW-XIII> i don't know anything about grf coding
15:30:51  <Eddi|zuHause> but you can learn.
15:31:02  <V453000> SHADOW-XIII: is  there any particular reason WHY to have the snow in temperate? :D
15:31:16  <V453000> why not just play with sub-arctic X.x
15:31:41  <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: imho the arctic "grass" is too brown...
15:31:59  <SHADOW-XIII> V453000: subarctic does not have same buildings/indsutry/vehicles
15:32:33  <SHADOW-XIII> Eddi|zuHause: I am here since GRF coding started, never managed/wanted to learn it
15:33:32  <V453000> planetmaker: opengfx+ trains give the choice of choosing which trains are used, am I right? (as in, you can have temperate trains in arctic)
15:34:11  <Ammler> V453000: but only the ugly opengfx engines
15:34:30  <V453000> ...
15:34:58  <Ammler> :-)
15:35:17  <planetmaker> what ammler says
15:35:44  <V453000> srsly, without a comment
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15:38:57  <Ammler> sorry V, I had to ;-)
15:39:45  <V453000> well, yea, but it's getting annoying when you imply that I am trying to tell that opengfx trains are ugly whenever I am asking something quite independent on that
15:40:19  <V453000> especially in this case it would solve one of SHADOW-XIII's problems of train usage :)
15:40:54  <Ammler> indeed, sorry again :-P
15:41:00  <V453000> :P
15:41:02  <V453000> np
15:41:37  <V453000> ... I suppose they work as nicely with ECS as they do with FIRS, right?
15:42:28  <Ammler> they should, but less tested, so could have bugs related to ECS
15:43:29  <V453000> kk :)
15:44:04  <V453000> hmph ... it might be useful to test them with ECS on stable then I suppose .... but I suppose you know how I love ECS
15:45:03  <Ammler> well, if you do, you should set every flag (value 15)
15:45:14  <V453000> I know
15:45:36  <Ammler> then it should be easy, not?
15:45:39  <V453000> but well ... it takes away only a part of the bad things :(
15:46:05  <planetmaker> it *should* support all. But as usual... I just tested slightly with ECS, FIRS and PBI (and default of course)
15:46:51  <V453000> well, easy/manageable/not behaving retatdedly ... but the main problem still stands - it is extremely easy and quick to get 2000+ productions of mines, which strongly advises point-to-point and high TLs by itself ... which is just purely tarded for our servers
15:47:23  <SHADOW-XIII> i hate mouse scroll in ottd :/
15:47:34  <Ammler> configureable, afaik
15:47:59  <V453000> I think I tried sometime back then but I think this was the thing that remained unchanged
15:48:14  <V453000> but if you say it is configureable, I would believe that
15:48:33  <SHADOW-XIII> well cannot find it
15:49:07  <V453000> Ammler: you commented on scrolling or ECS? :D
15:49:09  <SHADOW-XIII> oh wait not it went back to normal
15:50:37  <SHADOW-XIII> and now again back to odd-behaviour O_O
15:50:39  <Ammler> scrolling, isn't?
15:51:07  <SHADOW-XIII> yeah
15:51:27  <SHADOW-XIII> oh now again to normal X_x
15:53:34  <planetmaker> do you have auto-scrolling at the edge of the window enabled?
15:54:00  <SHADOW-XIII> the odd-behavious works like this:
15:54:30  <Rubidium> to be clear, the odd behaviour is on an android device?
15:54:31  <SHADOW-XIII> when i press and hold right mouse button it is too sensitive and the more I move mouse from the starting point the faster it moves
15:54:35  <SHADOW-XIII> pc
15:57:14  <fjb> Mouse driver acceleration?
15:58:11  <SHADOW-XIII> don't see anything in windows mouse settings, and why it sometiems works properly and sometimes not ? :/
16:05:23  <peter1138> oh right, giant screenshots are useless, yes.
16:05:29  <peter1138> 65472 x 32736 :s
16:06:06  <SHADOW-XIII> in 3 hours NASA will announce new form of life found :)
16:07:53  <Belugas> no they won't
16:08:18  <V453000> giant screenshots ftw ^_^
16:08:28  <SHADOW-XIII> according to gizmodo they found life in one of poisnous california lake that bases on arsen
16:08:48  <SHADOW-XIII> and its DNA does not match any known DNA on earth
16:09:50  <V453000> hmm
16:10:22  <V453000> indeed :O at least *they* say it
16:10:52  <SHADOW-XIII> the NASA info was embargoed so no official info till 7PM GMT
16:11:23  <lugo> It's not that.
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16:13:55  <SHADOW-XIII> or maybe they found Stargate at last !?
16:14:30  <V453000>
16:14:51  <V453000> this is what they found I bet
16:15:21  <SHADOW-XIII> I am hoping for Stargate though
16:15:24  <lugo> “I’m sad to quell some of the @kottke-induced excitement about possible extraterrestrial life. I’ve seen the Science paper. It’s not that.”
16:15:38  <V453000> actually, on some servers they write that it is far from truth :p
16:15:57  * fjb strongly dislikes web sites with sound.
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16:18:14  * norbert79 plays tada.wav to fjb's comment
16:21:29  <planetmaker> fjb: is actually quite ok and one of the official science sites
16:22:39  <V453000> pm: these don't say anything about e.t. though :D
16:23:43  <Belugas> and what abut the life forms deep in the oceans based on sulfur?  That was a long time ago :)  proof there are strange and aline forms already in here ;)
16:23:58  <fjb> Oh, what a rlief after that other site.
16:24:07  <planetmaker> V453000: he/she/it is out there quite certainly ;-)
16:24:11  <V453000> there are aliens everywhere, therefore we should drink more beer
16:24:11  <SHADOW-XIII> well but sulphur was theoretically possible but noone found form of life before
16:24:16  <Mazur> e.t phone home.
16:24:21  <SHADOW-XIII> arsen was suppose to be no good to any life form
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16:30:05  <SHADOW-XIII> well interesting, if you taken because of that there is few thousands times now more likely that there's life out there
16:30:23  <SHADOW-XIII> plus they just found 3 times more stars on the sky (red dwarfs not normally visible)
16:30:35  <V453000> freaking far away :D
16:30:54  <SHADOW-XIII> closest one is 20 light years away
16:31:09  <V453000> im not travelling 20 light years to meet my alien friends to have beer with 'em
16:31:23  <SHADOW-XIII> why not?
16:31:49  <V453000> might be a bit too far and I wouldn't have enough beer after a short time of travel
16:32:27  <SHADOW-XIII> lots of time to play ttd :)
16:32:33  <V453000> :D
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16:33:32  <SHADOW-XIII> just lots of pizza, hot model girl, and this stuff  they found lately (tested on mice) that reverse ageing and can go :D
16:33:37  <Terkhen> was that network protocol which took into account the speed of light among vast distances finally developed?
16:34:45  <SHADOW-XIII> imagine that, you have a choice when you are 1 year old, gonna spend next 20 years in school/college/university or travelling to the other galaxy ?
16:35:08  <SHADOW-XIII> what's your choice ?
16:35:12  <V453000> beer.
16:35:34  <SHADOW-XIII> beer is terrible
16:35:39  <SHADOW-XIII> vodka's better
16:35:51  <Terkhen> school/college/beer
16:36:16  <V453000> Terkhen: school/college/university = beer/beer/beer
16:36:52  * Terkhen did not start that early
16:37:33  <SHADOW-XIII> neither did I
16:37:57  <SHADOW-XIII> i wouldnt mind to go on colonization ship
16:38:56  <V453000> no way
16:44:08  <planetmaker> there's still a long shot to go. But mostly it'd need dedication and money
16:44:13  <Belugas> mmh... i was a bit wrong.. not sulfur based... hydrogen sulfide instead...
16:44:14  <Belugas>
16:44:45  <planetmaker> H2S? Smelly...
16:45:01  <Belugas> too deep for me to confirm ;)
16:45:16  <planetmaker> it's the smell of foul eggs ;-)
16:45:52  <Belugas> bleeee....
16:46:32  <Belugas> [11:35] <SHADOW-XIII> beer is terrible  <-- depends of the beer... american? yeah big time. canadian? that's not beer :P
16:46:38  <Belugas> belgian?  HO YEAH!!!
16:47:12  * V453000 can clearly say that Czech beer ain't bad at all either :P
16:49:42  <peter1138> show me
16:49:43  <peter1138> the way
16:49:46  <peter1138> to the next
16:49:48  <peter1138> whisky bar
16:50:24  <peter1138> oh, don't ask why
16:50:26  <peter1138> oh, don't ask why
16:50:50  <Rubidium> up north?
16:52:16  <Belugas> naaa.. in Alabama :)
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16:52:42  <peter1138> aye
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16:54:12  <Rubidium> Belugas: isn't it whiskey in the US?
16:54:50  <Belugas> quite :)
16:55:02  <peter1138> whisky is scotch, whiskey is irish
16:55:42  <peter1138> "Whiskey is a shortened form of usquebaugh" yeah sure!
16:55:51  <Belugas> but Jim Morrison did not cared much about the difference, he just kept on drinking whatever was available
16:56:18  <V453000> "Whiskey: Have you hugged your toilet today?" :D
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17:00:03  <peter1138> hmm... could not connect to the content server :s
17:00:25  <peter1138> arrr, working now
17:02:24  <Scuddles> there's whiskey in the jar
17:03:29  <peter1138> the whiskey's a spy
17:05:14  <peter1138> hmm, faultgen + 2 * perlin makes some interesting landscapes
17:05:16  <peter1138> shame it's quite slow
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17:14:55  <Alberth> hmm, it is snowing @
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17:21:04  <frosch123> it's too cold to snow
17:25:18  <Prof_Frink> Yep, and all the stuff that melted today is refreezing as ice.
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18:04:57  <IchGuckLive> Hi all ! is there a play goal ? or just play as you wish to go
18:06:09  <Alberth> usually people invent goals
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18:06:46  <Alberth> but just making nice tracks is also a good goal :)
18:07:05  <Belugas> yeah
18:07:06  <IchGuckLive> so i have to define if the gole is reatched and finish the running game and start one level higher
18:07:15  <Belugas> and quite a challenge for some ;)
18:07:33  <Belugas> there is no level higher
18:07:54  <Alberth> there are difficulty levels, but they have little meaning
18:07:56  <IchGuckLive> dificult tracks with good sigals is a goal to adchive ! i agree
18:09:13  <Alberth> or connect all industry, or get a optimal performance in the detailed performance window, or connect all towns, or transport  all passengers (VERY difficult)
18:09:41  <b_jonas> wow, "transport all passengers" indeed sounds difficult
18:09:54  <Alberth> I still want to make a very long industry chain newgrf
18:09:55  <b_jonas> I mean, they even evaporate from the stations between two trains arriving
18:10:21  <IchGuckLive> ok i think i now what you mean about goals so  i will start a new game after i adcived 12Mio in 11 Jears
18:11:04  <Alberth> b_jonas: just place a station in the middle of a town, and try to get the #waiting passgneres below 1000 ;)
18:11:42  <IchGuckLive> By for me
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18:12:15  <Rubidium> get 100% ratings for all industries
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18:12:26  <Scuddles> butwhatabout towngrowth challenge
18:13:19  <Alberth> I don't think I ever got 100% rating at a single industry :p
18:13:54  <Rubidium> Alberth: that's the point; it's obnoxiously difficult to get a 100% rating at any kind of high producing industry
18:13:56  <Alberth> Scuddles: no idea what that means, but it could be fun
18:14:13  <b_jonas> Alberth: you need fast trains (maglevs preferably), statues, and frequent advertizing campaigns
18:14:20  <Rubidium> so you need low producing industries, but the high rating will most likely make it produce more and thus you can't reach a 100% rating anymore
18:14:29  <b_jonas> and also no competitors around the industry
18:14:40  <b_jonas> wait, do you want 100% transported, or 100% rating at the station?
18:14:43  <b_jonas> it's not completely the same
18:14:47  <Alberth> who said OpenTTD is an easy game :p
18:15:26  <Rubidium> 100% transported
18:15:45  <b_jonas> one goal I sometimes try is to transport lots of oil from all oil rigs to the same one refinery
18:15:45  <Alberth> b_jonas: whatever seems like more fun to you, I am very happy just building random tracks already
18:16:36  <Scuddles> Alberth: obviously
18:17:20  <Scuddles> Not really ottd challenge spinoff but at least it has the industry chains
18:18:10  <Rubidium> oh, it's peter's so he must have a patch for that
18:18:39  <Scuddles> but
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18:21:22  <Alberth> never tried that grf, could be fun
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18:45:30  <CIA-10> OpenTTD: translators * r21368 /trunk/src/lang/ (german.txt norwegian_bokmal.txt):
18:45:30  <CIA-10> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:30  <CIA-10> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker
18:45:30  <CIA-10> OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 8 changes by mantaray
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18:52:14  <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21369 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix: don't add object specs that weren't associate with graphics
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19:18:43  <m2rt> Hey planetmaker, you around? :P
19:21:22  <CIA-10> OpenTTD: yexo * r21370 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix: [NewGRF] a grf with an invalid action14 could cause an out of memory error
19:27:06  <planetmaker> he's around, but points at the topic
19:27:09  <planetmaker> @topic get -2
19:27:09  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Don't ask to ask, just ask
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19:27:39  <m2rt> Yeah planetmaker, I know... I just were wondering how to ask it :P
19:27:57  <m2rt> First what was the name of the person who has been tinkering with joan?
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19:28:44  <planetmaker> the one which is named manager of it on the page which I linked
19:29:10  <planetmaker> That's dih. The other person writing such stuff is Xaroth
19:29:46  <m2rt> Thanks!
19:30:07  <b_jonas> all these numbered parameters make openttd discussion sound like you're discussing TeXacking (\fontdimen14).
19:30:21  <m2rt> dih, any documentation coming on how I can get joan running? Or some pointers?
19:30:33  <m2rt> I'm noob in java. but I am able to learn :)
19:30:52  <Alberth> Java has no pointers, only references :)
19:31:01  <dih> hehe
19:31:18  <Belugas> and great beans.
19:31:25  <Belugas> once roasted, nice coffee
19:31:36  * Belugas slurps
19:31:42  <Terkhen> :D
19:32:08  <dih>
19:32:39  <dih> you extend the OpenTTD class and override special methods
19:33:03  <dih> e.g. onServerWelcome
19:33:27  <dih> m2rt, ^
19:34:58  <m2rt> Thanks... Now if I can understand it then I'm on the roll :P
19:36:02  <dih> actually, even easier, there is an example in joan itself
19:36:30  <dih>
19:37:13  <m2rt> Ah! The properties file... I got this error when trying to run it.
19:37:41  <Belugas> ...Jett and the Black Hearths
19:37:51  <Alberth> \o/
19:38:08  <Belugas> ho, Alberth knows about her?  hehehe
19:39:26  * Alberth puts on Notorious
19:46:42  <dih> m2rt, need any further details regarding the properties file?
19:46:43  <peter1138> THIS IS THE END
19:47:07  <planetmaker> of the world as we know it - and I feel fine :-D
19:48:08  <Belugas> I LOVE ROCK'N ROLL
19:48:34  <m2rt> dih, the properties file consists of the following properties: host, port, pass, loglevel? Thats the rcon pass?
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19:49:10  <dih> that is a separate pass for the admin network
19:49:31  <dih> joan joins openttd on a separate port
19:49:59  <dih> this port is only open if the port has been specified in the openttd config (currently only for nightlies)
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19:51:23  <m2rt> Ah, so I have to compile ottd too.
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19:52:11  <m2rt> I guess that I won't get my solution done by tomorrow... (a script that will count several aspects of multiplayer game and announces a winner at the end of the game...)
19:52:52  <Terkhen> nightlies are being compiled for you every night, that's why they have that name :)
19:53:46  <m2rt> How convenient! I am starting to like OTTD even more :P
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19:57:03  * Belugas tries to get some GirlSchool
19:57:08  <Belugas> this ti the TIME WARP!
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20:08:53  <Belugas> gees...some music do not age nicely...
20:09:26  <peter1138> better start doing it right
20:12:17  <Belugas> hooo...
20:12:30  <Belugas> right :)
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20:12:45  <Belugas> i would add... start doing some hehehe
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20:15:34  <Belugas> but that would be moslty becasue of
20:15:43  <Belugas> The Bloody TIMEZONES!!!
20:18:09  <peter1138> i saw what you did thar!
20:18:39  <Terkhen> :)
20:22:03  <Belugas> me?  ain't done nothing!
20:22:26  <Belugas> reminds me a TODO for the "vacations"... get more jams online
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20:24:49  * andythenorth has a TODO: eat and sleep
20:24:53  <andythenorth> no vacation needed :P
20:25:08  <Belugas> that is.. basic animal need :)
20:25:22  <andythenorth> he
20:25:33  * andythenorth wants to code something brainless
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20:26:35  <Terkhen> echo "hello world"
20:26:40  <Alberth> a computer !
20:27:36  <planetmaker> 10: print, "hello world?"
20:28:11  <avdg> 20: goto 10
20:28:58  <Belugas> andythenorth, code me a sirkoz
20:29:07  <planetmaker> masochist!
20:29:53  * Belugas whistles
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20:42:59  <peter1138> SAIL AWAY AWAY
20:43:01  <peter1138> RIPPLES NEVER COME BACK
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20:48:53  <andythenorth> lyrics, or perlin noise reference?
20:56:00  <peter1138> lyrics, yes
20:56:09  <peter1138> perlin noise is... irritating me though :p
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20:58:36  <Belugas> andythenorth... you are disappointing me...
21:00:05  <andythenorth> why? :P
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21:03:43  <Belugas> those are such classical lyrics, and you are old enough to have heard them :)
21:05:58  <andythenorth> I thought it was Enya, but then I way is he listening to that :P
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21:06:54  <andythenorth> genesis? :o
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21:11:01  <Belugas> quite :)
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21:12:55  * peter1138 taps along to an instrumental part in One For The Vine
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21:17:43  * andythenorth taps keys
21:17:56  <andythenorth> brainlessly coding industry spacing
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21:32:34  <supermop> hello
21:32:40  <SmatZ> hello supermop
21:32:50  <supermop> how are things going?
21:33:12  <SmatZ> quite fine :) we had a little birthday celebration today
21:33:21  <supermop> nice
21:33:33  <supermop> for a person, or an abstract concept?
21:33:46  <SmatZ> person - father and brother :)
21:33:52  <supermop> nice
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21:39:20  <Belugas> will be my turn in the weekend and the 11th. my father in law and myself
21:39:36  <Belugas> unfortunately, he's not a big drinker
21:39:43  <SmatZ> :D
21:39:52  <supermop> a shame
21:42:29  <planetmaker> Belugas: be happy that you can then be a better father-in law ;-)
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21:43:24  <Belugas> planetmaker, i'll have time to practice, for sure :)
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21:48:07  <Terkhen> good night
21:48:45  <SmatZ> good night José
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22:04:37  <kevin_> hi all
22:04:47  <supermop> hello
22:04:54  <Rubidium> good morning
22:04:58  <kevin_> anyone here wants to help me set up a linux dedicated server?
22:05:29  <Rubidium> have you seen ?
22:05:39  <kevin_> yeah, I've got openttd running
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22:05:48  <kevin_> but it seems it can't get data from the master server
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22:06:07  <kevin_> I opened the port 3979 in the firewall (tcp/udp)
22:06:11  <kevin_> but still nothing
22:06:20  <kevin_> unless I did it wrong somehow :(
22:06:22  <Rubidium> are you sure you enabled port forwarding as well?
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22:07:22  <kevin_> I use suse, so in YAST I went to firewall -> allowed services -> advanced and entered the ports manually for tcp and udp
22:07:45  <Rubidium> how is the computer connected to the internet?
22:08:03  <kevin_> straight to the cable modem
22:08:19  <Rubidium> then you need to enable port forwarding in that modem
22:08:38  <kevin_> hmm... makes sence
22:08:42  <kevin_> sense even
22:08:53  <kevin_> I'll check that out, thanks!
22:09:23  <kevin_> I don't have access to it, so I'll have to wait for the owner to give it to me tomorrow
22:09:30  <kevin_> if it's not working I'll be back ;)
22:09:33  <kevin_> thanks again!
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22:12:44  <Ammler> you don't need port forwarding to get data
22:13:04  <planetmaker> he's gone
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22:13:35  <Ammler> ah :-)
22:13:37  * planetmaker should go, too. To bed :-)
22:13:55  * planetmaker waves a 'good night' to the round
22:13:56  <andythenorth> good night
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22:14:25  <supermop> good night
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22:33:54  <peter1138> meh
22:34:16  <SmatZ> meh?
22:34:49  <Prof_Frink> sploh.
22:35:42  <supermop> It would be cool if there were a hydrologically accurate terrain generator
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22:38:57  <Xaroth> planetmaker: cheers for the shameless plug :P
22:41:18  <Wolf01> 'night
22:41:20  <Xaroth> nn
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22:44:12  <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21371 /trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp: -Codechange: pass the buffer to the compressor directly instead of using a global variable
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23:05:55  <CIA-10> OpenTTD: yexo * r21372 /trunk/src/pathfinder/npf/ (queue.cpp queue.h): -Cleanup: remove some broken npf debug code
23:08:28  <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21373 /trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp: -Codechange: rewrite the game state to memory dumper
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23:13:22  <peter1138> supermop, did you start it? :s
23:13:42  <supermop> hmm?
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23:15:53  <supermop> what did I start?
23:15:59  <dih> coding
23:16:13  <peter1138> a hydrologically accurate terrain generator ;s
23:16:26  <supermop> oooh
23:16:38  <supermop> my little brother is a hydrologist
23:16:46  <supermop> we were talking about it
23:17:02  <dih> another one of those who likes talking a lot :-P
23:17:13  <supermop> it might be something he could do
23:17:27  <supermop> he's not sure yet though
23:20:06  <supermop> today he has been using his modeling software to make some bitmaps
23:21:41  <dih> peter1138, kinda doubt it would happen :-P
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23:33:56  <supermop> some neat maps so far
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23:57:32  <supermop> ok time to go home

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