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I seem to be missing a key step some where along the path the I've been taking on the wiki. 01:34:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A198D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:44:04 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:50:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-225-16.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:56:07 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Seems we have plenty here ;-) 07:44:56 <SmatZ> there is a place in Europe without snow? 07:45:15 <SmatZ> -33°C in Poland, nice :) 07:45:35 <Terkhen> we always have a lot here, but only at the mountains... it's quite rare when it snows down here 07:45:53 <Terkhen> we are at 0ºC here 07:46:02 * Terkhen is not complaining :) 07:46:05 <SmatZ> :) 07:47:02 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:48:29 <planetmaker> hm, seems it got 2°C warmer over night. Now it's only -6°C instead of -8°C which it as yesterday at around 22h 07:49:08 <planetmaker> (subtract a bit as the thermometer is immediately next to my balcony door) 07:49:29 <SmatZ> :) 07:51:18 <Terkhen> in all my life we only got snow here for four or five days, and only once it was still around after noon 07:53:47 *** Joni_ [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:04:01 *** Markavian [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:10:02 * Terkhen wonders why is Copper listed twice at the cargo types list 08:10:27 <Terkhen> but it does not say which set uses the piece goods variant... 08:34:00 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1bee.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:36:23 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 08:37:11 *** fenster [d586afe1@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:37:39 <fenster> openttdwiki, bugtracker and main page are not working 08:37:59 <planetmaker> yes, we know 08:38:13 <planetmaker> it's a problem at the data centre we host it 08:38:21 <fenster> oh, and ttforums 08:38:26 <planetmaker> that works 08:39:00 <fenster> ok, forum works 09:00:16 <Terkhen> Stone in FIRS is GRVL, right? 09:01:10 <planetmaker> yes 09:02:02 <Terkhen> ok, thanks 09:02:05 <SmatZ> bah @ people using coal again instead of now expensive gas 09:02:10 <SmatZ> the smell outside is bad :( 09:02:33 <planetmaker> :-( 09:04:33 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1bee.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:09:29 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 09:11:15 <Terkhen> do you know if ECS varies by climate? 09:11:50 <norbert79> Morning 09:11:59 <Terkhen> good morning norbert79 09:12:06 <norbert79> Morning Terkhen 09:13:15 <norbert79> Hmm, there is a small issue with openttdccop.org 09:13:20 <norbert79> "Notice: Undefined property: MagpieRSS::$last_modified in /home/openttdcoop/public_html/content/include/rss_fetch.inc on line 156 Notice: Undefined index: version in /home/openttdcoop/public_html/content/include/rss_parse.inc on line 173 " 09:14:13 <fenster> do you know if ECS varies by climate? - there are changes - placement requirements for water pumps varies 09:14:21 <fenster> but maybe sth more 09:14:47 <Terkhen> hmm... sorry, I was referring only to cargos 09:14:57 <Terkhen> it does not seem to vary 09:16:08 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:22:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DAF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:22:57 <planetmaker> gah.... no commits either :-( 09:29:34 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:35:40 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3A5E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:38:28 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:38:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 09:44:03 *** fenster [d586afe1@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:12:02 *** planetmaker changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.0.5 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | English only | Website currently down for maintenance 10:16:53 *** John_Semik [~John@semik.klfree.cz] has joined #openttd 10:40:36 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has joined #openttd 10:51:34 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-188-37.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:53:20 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-244-246.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:53:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:54:25 *** fjb is now known as Guest1490 10:54:26 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFDBFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:58:30 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 11:01:10 *** Guest1490 [~frank@p5DDFE20F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:10:56 <Ammler> Xaroth: don't you have a kind of test plugin for your lib already? 11:11:09 <Xaroth> test plugin? 11:11:14 <Xaroth> to test what, exactly? 11:11:25 <Ammler> if your lib is working 11:11:26 <planetmaker> I forwarded your admin lib link :-P 11:11:31 <Xaroth> ah 11:11:34 <Xaroth> my lib is working :P 11:11:39 <Ammler> how you know? 11:11:53 <Xaroth> because my DebugFeature shows incomming/outgoing packet traffic 11:12:05 <Ammler> :-) 11:12:11 <Xaroth> in the form of encoded/decoded packets 11:13:33 <Xaroth> Ammler: check packettypes.py for all packages it can send and/or receive .. 11:13:44 <Xaroth> features.py shows some base features one can use 11:14:19 <Xaroth> I suspect BaseChatFeature will be of your interest as well 11:18:03 <Ammler> oh well, it is above my scope, I was just wondering, keeping AP+ working is more than enough for me ;-) 11:18:30 <Xaroth> depends on what you want it to do 11:20:50 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-213-49-110-211.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 11:46:28 *** Phazorx [~pkolla@195.144.240.155] has joined #openttd 11:46:39 <Phazorx> g'day 11:46:55 <dih> a Phazorx :-) 11:47:00 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.200.216] has joined #openttd 11:47:00 <Phazorx> a? 11:47:02 <Phazorx> the! 11:47:07 <dih> :P 11:47:10 <Terkhen> hi Phazorx 11:47:11 <Phazorx> heya dih 11:47:18 <Phazorx> hi Terkhen? 11:47:21 <dih> how are you keeping up sir? 11:47:40 <Phazorx> well i wanted to spend 20 minutes to show my coworkers woners of ottd 11:48:09 <dih> 'owners'? 11:48:10 <Phazorx> based on some older cooper's save i just got... but i cant load it due to bananas not working with rest of openttd site service 11:48:15 <Phazorx> is there an eta on that? 11:48:28 <Phazorx> dih: "wonders" :) 11:48:35 <dih> ah :-D 11:48:56 <Phazorx> also, Ammler! 11:49:06 <dih> in bananas iirc you can specify a min and max ottd version for a grf 11:49:14 <Phazorx> why the heck does grf pack NOT have ttrs and stolen trees? 11:49:41 <Phazorx> dih: if bananes server is not responding to ping - i doubt that would have any effect 11:49:59 <dih> ohhh 11:50:02 *** Eddi|zuHause3 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 11:50:13 <Terkhen> heh 11:50:19 <dih> 'a' Eddi|zuHause :P 11:50:27 <dih> obviously there are too many of him :-P 11:50:42 <Phazorx> damn clones :) 11:50:49 <Terkhen> for the trees you can try this: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-trees/nightlies/LATEST/ 11:50:57 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, those are nasty :p 11:51:12 <dih> 3 out of 4 voices tell me that i am not schizophrenic 11:51:14 <Phazorx> Terkhen: i kinda need the grfid to match ones that have been used 1.5 years ago 11:51:41 <Phazorx> and ttrs seems like it vanished from face of the earth 11:52:04 <dih> looks to me like ttrs is hosted at dev.openttdcoop.org 11:52:16 <Phazorx> where did all good days go when you could just have used ottdc_grfpack and it had ALL the grfs you ever need 11:52:24 <Terkhen> IIRC grfs which are on bananas where removed from the pack 11:52:30 <Terkhen> s/where/were/ 11:52:39 <dih> which would make sense :-P 11:52:47 <dih> perhaps you just need an older grf pack 11:52:53 <Phazorx> Terkhen: exactly... and with bananas ofline it equals to them not being anywhere 11:52:58 <norbert79> I even vote say every GRF should go to Bananas where possible 11:53:06 <Phazorx> dih: cant find it on the site 11:53:10 <norbert79> Phazorx: You need to download once, right? :) 11:53:13 <Phazorx> i guess i can get older revison from redmine 11:53:16 <Terkhen> norbert79: me too, but some authors don't want their GRFs on bananas 11:53:19 <dih> Phazorx, do you remember the svn repository? 11:53:27 <planetmaker> a Phazorx! hi :-) 11:53:33 <Phazorx> dih: i can probbaly get the info from redmine can i? 11:53:34 <norbert79> Terkhen: Which is weird... It only has pros and almost no cons 11:53:43 <norbert79> Terkhen: But, it's up to them 11:53:44 <Phazorx> heya pm, long time :) 11:53:45 <dih> i have no idea Phazorx :-P 11:53:58 <dih> but pm and Ammler can probably help you out further with that ;-) 11:54:31 <dih> but rather than showing them an old save, why not show them new stuff ;-) 11:54:43 <planetmaker> :-) 11:54:49 <planetmaker> Live building cool stuff 11:55:36 <Phazorx> dih - does new stuff has SML+SRNW and 1000+ trains on it MOVING ? 11:55:59 <norbert79> http://ambereh.sourceforge.net - and this looks nice... Cooperative GRF development :) 11:56:40 <Ammler> Phazorx: you can download all bananas also from ps.openttdcoop.org/public/content_download 11:57:03 <Ammler> and sali :-) 11:58:22 <Phazorx> Ammler: do you mind if i do wget -r on /data there ? 11:58:42 <Ammler> yes, I do that is why I posted the link :-P 11:58:45 <norbert79> I wonder what would Chris Sawyer say if he would see his creation in this form, what it has been turned into... 11:58:54 <Xaroth> he'd throw a fit 11:59:41 <norbert79> How comes? He should be happy :) 12:00:06 <norbert79> okok, he doesn't see a penny of it, thats true, but noone really does... 12:00:20 <Xaroth> that's the point 12:00:23 <Xaroth> he wants to see pennies 12:00:34 <norbert79> I can arrange that, I think :D 12:00:44 <norbert79> handful would be enough? :) 12:00:58 <Xaroth> I think he'd be aiming more for the truckloads 12:01:05 <Ammler> Phazorx: I do not mind, but here is one of the official mirros: http://de.binaries.openttd.org/binaries/ ;-) 12:01:36 <Phazorx> Ammler: i need ttrs &co 12:01:45 <Phazorx> and openttd.org does not work for me 12:01:53 <Ammler> also that one? 12:02:00 <Phazorx> that one kinda does 12:02:05 <Phazorx> but i dont see grfs there 12:02:27 <Phazorx> nevermind it just takes forever 12:02:32 <planetmaker> Ammler: the whole host server is down 12:02:46 <Ammler> yes, but I don't think the mirrors are 12:02:51 <Phazorx> what happened btw? 12:03:06 <planetmaker> nope, mirrors should be unaffected. 12:03:55 <Ammler> Phazorx: with the content_download from our server and grfpack 8, you should be able to load every save 12:04:02 <Ammler> (from our archives) 12:04:14 <Phazorx> yeah... got the content_download now 12:04:45 <Phazorx> why wont you have a members only pack with all necessary grfs from all saves for example? 12:04:50 <Phazorx> should be a small one 12:04:59 <Ammler> yes, we have 12:05:07 <Phazorx> oh... i missed the memo then 12:05:17 <dih> <norbert79> I wonder what would Chris Sawyer say if he would see his creation in this form, what it has been turned into... <- if you believe what his agency says, then he his not happy about it 12:05:29 <Ammler> it is called Grfpack 8.0 :-P 12:05:34 <Ammler> and bananas 12:05:46 <Phazorx> Ammler: with bananas down that doesnt help the situation 12:06:04 <Ammler> there are around 1000 mirrors around the world ;-) 12:06:20 <Phazorx> i got no idea how to switch them actually 12:06:34 <dih> hehe - edit your hosts file :-D 12:06:44 <Phazorx> that's ugly 12:06:51 <Ammler> the mirror is not meant as master fail backup 12:07:20 <dih> Phazorx, i do not even think it would work 12:07:26 <Phazorx> i cvan try 12:07:29 <dih> because openttd does not fetch via http iirc 12:07:30 <Phazorx> *can 12:07:39 <Ammler> dih: it does 12:07:40 <Phazorx> it probably rsyncs? 12:07:54 <Ammler> but it might still need the master server to get the url 12:08:21 <Ammler> well, it needs to get the content from mirrors 12:13:37 *** slaca [~slaca@catv-80-99-102-86.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 12:15:15 <Phazorx> Ammler: no ttrs here http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/content_download/data/ ? 12:19:06 <Eddi|zuHause> muahaha @ xkcd :p 12:19:08 <Ammler> http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/games/openttd/binaries/bananas/newgrf/Total_Town_Replacement_Set-3.02a.tar.gz 12:19:13 <planetmaker> Phazorx: get it from bundles.openttdcoop.org 12:19:47 <Ammler> or http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ttrs/nightlies/LATEST/ 12:19:53 <Phazorx> i like how everything is conviniently renamed from the grf names one is looking for :) 12:20:15 <Ammler> our ps has ttrs from old pack 7.3 12:20:22 <Ammler> so it doesn't download it 12:20:26 <Phazorx> has it been changed much? 12:20:39 <planetmaker> not at all (ttrs) 12:20:42 <planetmaker> grfpack: yes 12:20:46 <planetmaker> lots of things deleted 12:20:58 <Ammler> bananans cleanup 12:21:19 <planetmaker> non-bananas doesn't exist :-P 12:22:17 <Ammler> my browser has good cache, if those mirrors all work for me but not for you :-) 12:22:47 <Phazorx> mirrors, .nl one especially work fine 12:22:57 <Phazorx> but coopers didnt have ttrs at all 12:23:23 <Ammler> a 3rd: http://cz.binaries.openttd.org/openttd/ 12:23:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i can acces this site just fine: http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/games/openttd/binaries/bananas/newgrf/ 12:23:50 <Phazorx> one is enough guys... :) 12:24:00 *** norbert791 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 12:27:38 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:06 <peter1138> bah, these rivers suck 12:30:35 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, they do 12:31:18 *** slaca [~slaca@catv-80-99-102-86.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [] 12:40:04 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 12:40:42 *** norbert79 is now known as Guest1496 12:41:03 *** Guest1496 is now known as norbert79 12:47:08 *** norbert791 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:50:10 <peter1138> well, perlin by itself sucks 12:50:16 <peter1138> and perlin * perlin also... isn't ideal 12:50:44 <peter1138> hm 12:53:13 <robotboy> hello 12:53:34 <robotboy> I can't access the wiki and pinging it times out 12:53:59 <Alberth> please tell something we do not know 12:55:17 <Xaroth> robotboy: ever bothered reading the topic of the channel? 12:55:31 <robotboy> oops 12:55:40 <robotboy> I normally do 12:57:44 <peter1138> pom te pom 12:58:38 <norbert79> dub di dub 13:06:22 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:10:57 * norbert79 takes a test: "Wenn ist das nurnstuck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beigerhund das oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!" 13:11:01 * norbert79 escapes the death by having his old glasses on, with it he cannot read well... 13:11:24 <norbert79> I have released the funniest joke on the world... Fear me! :) 13:11:59 <Terkhen> someone told me it was just random words in german 13:12:09 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF97D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:12:19 <norbert79> Terkhen: It is 13:12:21 <planetmaker> it's not even words 13:12:23 <dih> i have no idea what he intended to write 13:12:40 <Terkhen> probably just something that would sound like german to their audience 13:12:45 <norbert79> planetmaker: At least some of the words do make sense, but in general it's just MP humour :) 13:13:08 <dih> no, the words exists but they do not make sense :-P 13:13:24 <norbert79> Same with the English-Hungarian dictionary joke... :) 13:13:50 <Terkhen> :D 13:13:54 <planetmaker> yes, yulpe seezlous can lagly said 13:13:56 <planetmaker> like that 13:14:15 <norbert79> I will not buy this record, it is scratched! :D 13:14:55 * dih pities the fool 13:19:49 *** snorre_ [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:20:19 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-117.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 13:34:13 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:39:32 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-213-49-110-211.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:37 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-117.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:42:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B775A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:42:34 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B775A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:46:15 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-95.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:56:04 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 13:59:43 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/pics/tgpmod.png :s 14:00:43 <planetmaker> if that's autmatically generated it doesn't look too bad, peter1138 :-) 14:00:51 <peter1138> it is 14:01:02 <peter1138> it's on mountainous though, heh 14:01:27 <peter1138> with perlin, mountainous just means you'll get at least 1 peak which is it height 14, heh 14:01:53 <planetmaker> he :-) 14:01:59 <peter1138> there are some very bad rivers in there too 14:02:52 <planetmaker> they seem sometimes to stop near the shore 14:03:12 <planetmaker> i.e. they don't flow the last tile down into the sea 14:03:19 <peter1138> yeah, problem is the river generation code doesn't (can't) take account of diagonal slopes 14:03:34 <peter1138> still 14:03:44 <peter1138> could pretend some of them are lakes, hehe 14:04:04 <peter1138> hmm, this is meant to be very low water, too :s 14:04:19 <peter1138> should be only 1300 water tiles. hmm. 14:04:28 <planetmaker> sure, lakes don't hurt. But some are then very elongated :-) 14:04:39 <planetmaker> low water... not quite. It's about medium 14:04:58 <planetmaker> But I really like the big river there 14:05:02 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3A5E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:05:03 <planetmaker> or straight. 14:05:06 <planetmaker> whatever it is 14:05:16 <planetmaker> that's something currently hard to come by 14:05:29 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3C1C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:08:57 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B775A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:09:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B775A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:13:38 <Belugas> hello 14:17:19 <peter1138> strait? heh 14:17:39 <planetmaker> hm. yes :-P 14:20:39 <peter1138> ah, fixed that issue 14:20:43 <peter1138> (too much water) 14:21:26 <robotboy> gnight 14:21:38 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/pics/tgpmod2.png < water level high 14:21:49 *** John_Semik [~John@semik.klfree.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:23:32 <peter1138> like the way the towns are near the coast, but that might just be luck :p 14:26:19 <SmatZ> peter1138: while generating towns, when the random tile falls into water, nearest non-water tile is searched for (20-tile radius iirc), and town is placed there 14:26:26 <peter1138> arrrr 14:31:45 <planetmaker> nice! 14:32:57 <peter1138> shame this is very hacky, heh 14:33:16 <peter1138> also, the standard trains are bit slow in 1925... 14:33:43 <planetmaker> the rivers still might need some more love. Looks quite swampy in the South-Eastern island ;-) 14:34:10 <peter1138> yup 14:35:40 <planetmaker> but that might be even completely different issues. 14:35:41 *** Berg [~ming@141.30.212.145] has joined #openttd 14:36:49 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 14:37:04 <Berg> hello, can someone tell me ,why can not i refresh the openttd internet server 14:37:17 <Berg> there is no server-list today? 14:37:56 <planetmaker> see topic 14:38:08 <planetmaker> it affects all servers 14:39:02 <planetmaker> so yes, sorry: server list won't work until the people in the data centre _finally_ come around to fixing the stuff they were supposed to have fixed at least 8 hours ago. 14:39:30 <Berg> thx. :-) 14:39:40 *** Joni_ [~Joni-@80.220.0.41] has joined #openttd 14:39:55 <planetmaker> believe me: there's meanwhile a number of people pissed because of that ;-) 14:41:27 <norbert79> I object, cause I am not... ! 14:41:29 <norbert79> :) 14:42:08 <norbert79> planetmaker: By the way: pissed off, not pissed, that means womething different :D 14:42:22 <norbert79> something... -_- 14:42:45 <V453000> does it? 14:42:56 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.9.76] has joined #openttd 14:43:13 <V453000> well, pissed could mean also pissed off I think 14:43:20 <norbert79> V453000: well, I am pissed in the bar, I am pissed off in the bar... Afaik "pissed" means normally "pissed on", not "off" 14:43:21 <Rubidium> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pissed 14:43:53 <peter1138> "pissed" meaning "pissed off" is an americanism 14:43:55 <V453000> well, yes, but when you are pissed about ? 14:43:57 <norbert79> Ah, I was partially right, it means something different in British English 14:44:02 <peter1138> "pissed" meaning drunk, it a britishism 14:44:07 <peter1138> *is 14:44:10 <V453000> :) 14:44:16 <V453000> ok 14:44:16 <norbert79> I knew it smelled fishy :) 14:44:29 <robotboy> sometimes id say pissed of at and sometimes id say pissed at 14:44:39 <norbert79> just avoid "on" :D 14:45:20 <robotboy> we seem to speak a mix of british english and american here as well as australian english 14:45:29 <norbert79> It's something like in German and Austrian, like being "Ãl" and being "betrunken" 14:45:41 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:45:53 <norbert79> robotboy: Yeah, hard to distinguish the british from the american... Bad habit of the Internet. 14:46:16 <robotboy> and watching too many American TV shows 14:46:29 <norbert79> Like House MD? ;-) 14:46:52 <Berg> Oel is as same as betrunken? 14:46:55 <norbert79> which is rather a bit of... How to say.. Sarcastic? :) 14:47:00 <robotboy> not for me 14:47:21 <robotboy> well I should sleep or try to sleep 14:47:22 <norbert79> Berg: Austrian says being "Ãl" is the same as "Betrunken" ergo "drunk" in German 14:47:42 <Berg> ah. ok 14:47:49 <norbert79> robotboy: Hugh Laurie is British, and yet is is forming an American character 14:47:56 <norbert79> robotboy: Thats why my comment 14:48:00 <Berg> i just take 0el as geman world 14:48:16 <Berg> german-word 14:48:17 <norbert79> Berg: It is a German word, but depends under whcih circumstances you use it 14:48:34 <planetmaker> right. I never heart it in that context... 14:48:43 <norbert79> planetmaker: Falco used it often :D 14:50:18 <norbert79> planetmaker: I can't recal which German actor told this story, and he met with Falco once in a Bar, the guy was totally drunk, and then he told this story later on German TV... Can't recall, was long time ago. 14:51:53 <planetmaker> I don't say that Southern Germans don't talk funny... So many things are possible. 14:52:15 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 14:53:10 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0bbfb2.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 14:53:47 <norbert79> planetmaker: Well, I was interested in PlattdÃŒtsch before, never got really into it, lacked of resources :) 14:56:41 <Berg> norbert, is niederdeutsch 14:57:08 <Berg> very different from hochdeutsch? 14:57:09 *** kenneth [kenneth@cpc1-nrte13-0-0-cust531.8-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:57:11 <kenneth> hello 14:57:27 <norbert79> Hi kenneth 14:57:36 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-75-247.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:58:24 <Berg> is that you mentioned Plattdutsch also niederdeutsch? 14:58:33 <norbert79> Yes 14:58:38 <planetmaker> Berg: you'd have difficulties 14:58:39 <kenneth> im very new to c++ 14:58:48 <norbert79> Berg: Well, according to my analysis, it is related to changes to the German language as we know it today. German used to be very mixed and very different, with plenty of various dialects 14:58:54 <kenneth> but in networking is the details of current players and servers stored in the same array 14:59:53 <planetmaker> Plattdeutsch is a nice mixture of German, Dutch and English ;-) 15:00:30 <norbert79> planetmaker: Well, it's a bit more difficult, than that, but simpler said, yes, kinda :) 15:00:36 <planetmaker> is it? 15:00:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never heard of "Ãl" meaning "drunk"... 15:00:59 <norbert79> planetmaker: Well, it is historical reasons why it got like that :) 15:01:09 <planetmaker> 'remained' ;-) 15:01:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i only know that the scandinavians say "öl" meaning "beer" 15:01:23 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: I heard it somewtimes in AUstria 15:01:35 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: "Ich bin Ãl" means I am drunk 15:02:12 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: And hungarians say sometimes: "I am not thirsty anymore"... Well, basically means also being drunk :D 15:02:59 *** kenneth [kenneth@cpc1-nrte13-0-0-cust531.8-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:19 <planetmaker> however that may be related... 15:04:16 <norbert79> Can be, but I already went way off topic by now :) 15:06:06 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c976:a8e7:a5f0:b0d] has joined #openttd 15:06:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:07:07 <Berg> very interesting in Plattdeutsch, less variety for verb. wi 15:07:15 <Berg> wi maakt 15:07:34 <Berg> ji maakt se makkt =wir machen= we do 15:07:36 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 15:08:38 <planetmaker> jo, det kÃŒt de wool sachn. Let talk op platt 15:08:48 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f73c2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:08:56 <planetmaker> Kinner wert us nu verstaan 15:09:01 <Berg> kann gar nichts verstehen 15:09:21 <norbert79> I do though :D 15:09:26 *** Kogut [d586afe1@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:09:29 <norbert79> Yet others might be mocked by it :) 15:10:02 <planetmaker> indeed 15:10:18 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 15:10:55 <glx> !topic get -2 15:11:32 <planetmaker> :-) 15:11:41 <glx> stupid me, DorpsGek is absent 15:11:53 * planetmaker hands an "@" to glx, too 15:12:19 <glx> no ! is for my hidden commands to the bot 15:12:31 <norbert79> !sudo make me a sandwich 15:12:48 <planetmaker> aye :-) 15:12:49 <norbert79> must be very hidden, I still cannot see my sandwich :) 15:13:08 <planetmaker> have a wild guess on which server Dorpsgek runs, norbert79 15:13:09 <glx> when the bot is here, my !commands are not sent 15:13:25 <norbert79> planetmaker: Hmm... I think I have a hunch :)) 15:14:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o glx] by SmatZ 15:21:48 <norbert79> Alright, see you guys later! 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Map generation IS fascinating :-) 16:52:34 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 16:54:00 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED66CC3.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:57:28 *** Kogut [d586afe1@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:57:30 <Alberth> hypothetically, yes adding such a flag is doable :) actually adding may be more difficult, I suspect that somewhere directly after the loading code would be the easiest. 17:02:35 <Xaroth> Alberth: I suspected as such.. I'm trying to figure out a way to generate screenshots for dedicated servers.... so that's either having the dedicated server do blitting.. which ruins the whole 'dedicated' bit .. or have something different to do it for it... 17:05:45 <Yexo> <@Alberth> perhaps it is easier then to make a seperate program that generates a height map :) <- try geogen, it already does a nice job of that 17:07:24 *** m2rt [~m2rt@sa-84-52-10-135.saturn.infonet.ee] has joined #openttd 17:08:34 *** Arie- [~Arie@188.88.22.148] has joined #openttd 17:08:43 *** Arie- [~Arie@188.88.22.148] has quit [] 17:11:51 <m2rt> So... Is it possible to edit the save game and fetch some info from it? 17:12:36 <m2rt> Actually editing is not as important as fetching data.. 17:15:40 <planetmaker> yes 17:16:13 <planetmaker> get a nightly and look at the saveload dialogue for an example ;-) 17:16:28 <planetmaker> hm... don't get a nightly now... 17:18:30 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host170-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25:45 <m2rt> I actually have yesterdays nightlie, will look at it! 17:26:09 <m2rt> r21369 17:41:55 <Rubidium> Yexo: no, "mapgen" is way more realistic! 17:43:27 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:45:38 <Alberth> Xaroth: 'dedicated' just means it is not a desktop machine, isn't it? :p 17:46:35 <Xaroth> Alberth: yeh, no gui etc 17:47:50 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 17:53:05 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:53:09 <supermop> hi all 17:53:39 <Alberth> hi 17:54:25 <supermop> how is it going? 17:54:54 <Alberth> not very well 18:00:11 <TrueBrain> if anyone has any contacts within Leaseweb, now is the time to let me know ;) 18:01:09 <ccfreak2k> Can't have nightlie without lie. 18:06:24 <Xaroth> Nightly, noy Nightlie :) 18:06:43 <Alberth> ccfreak2k: no sleep for you then 18:09:58 <supermop> whats wrong? 18:13:05 <peter1138> hm 18:27:31 *** starn [~starn@adsl-68-92-115-170.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 18:27:57 <starn> hello, is there a temp site i could go to, to download openttd? 18:28:35 <Ammler> cd.binaries.openttd.org 18:28:38 <Ammler> cz* 18:29:02 <starn> thanks Ammler. 18:33:24 <starn> in ubuntu is software sound renderer (midi sequencer, mod player) (timidity) really needed for openttd? o.O i ask for this is completely new file to me.. never seen it before. 18:34:12 <Yexo> only if you want music to play 18:34:12 <Ammler> starn: that is for music 18:34:33 <starn> ohh cool soo openttd finally has music?! sweet sauce. 18:34:43 <Yexo> it has always had music 18:34:57 <Ammler> :-) 18:34:58 <starn> ohh.. i never heard music in windows version o.O 18:35:00 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:35:25 <Ammler> you needed the original files from TTD in pre 1.0 18:35:28 <Yexo> maybe you disabled it, or you didn't copy the music files from your ttd installation / didn't download openmsx 18:35:57 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:03 <starn> ahh that explains i have never used my ttd cd 18:36:46 <starn> i remember when they was making openmsx i was gonna make some midi's.... never got to it. lol 18:37:20 <Ammler> that reminds me, I should load teh christmas music set 18:38:40 <andythenorth> hellol 18:43:01 <supermop> hi andy 18:45:13 <planetmaker> very good point with the christmas music set, Ammler :-) 18:46:30 <Prof_Frink> \o/ Christmasmusic 18:46:41 <planetmaker> already there. Search the forums :-) 18:46:55 <planetmaker> This music guy created some set 18:47:03 <planetmaker> the same as the anthony hopkins anthology 18:47:26 <Prof_Frink> Is it as awesome as the christmas music I'm listening to now? 18:47:48 <Ammler> yes, better 18:47:58 <Ammler> chritmas music is best as midi 18:48:24 <planetmaker> :) 18:48:41 <planetmaker> pure and unspoilt by any compression :-P 18:50:02 <Prof_Frink> I said awesome, not best. Prog rock christmas carols are awesome. 18:51:24 <Eddi|zuHause> is that like death metal christmas carols? 18:52:00 <starn> i want death metal christmas carols 18:56:32 <Ammler> so best is better or worse than awesome? 18:57:15 <starn> worse! dunno... some how i went from church organs to metal guitars o.O 18:57:17 <Prof_Frink> Diff'rent. 18:57:19 <supermop> unrelated 18:58:33 <Ammler> :-) 18:59:32 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 18:59:32 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59:33 *** ar3kaw is now known as ar3k 19:00:50 <TrueBrain> For those who are geeks like me: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=51632 19:05:02 <starn> thanks TrueBrain interesting read 19:05:30 <TrueBrain> normally I try to hide issues with our webservices, but this is a bit too long to hide :D 19:05:35 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.9.76] has joined #openttd 19:05:47 <starn> no joke :P 19:06:42 <Eddi|zuHause> "We made damn good sure of that" <- you mean after the last time that horribly failed :p 19:06:43 <starn> i would offer a temp host site as well on my linux machine [this one] but i don't have the ability to meet the demands your site takes in lol 19:07:08 <TrueBrain> starn: haha; no, you would not :) 19:07:23 <andythenorth> EC2? :P 19:07:42 <starn> i barely handle 1000 per day i believe 19:08:10 <Eddi|zuHause> nitpickyness of the day: it should probably be "bear with me", not "bare with me" 19:08:44 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: try reloading 19:08:51 <Prof_Frink> Bears✠19:09:15 <peter1138> oh 19:09:20 <peter1138> i thought we were getting undressed together :( 19:09:29 <Prof_Frink> 's too cold for that. 19:09:32 <TrueBrain> I was hoping that would happen 19:09:33 <TrueBrain> butno ..... 19:09:36 <TrueBrain> everyone wants me to change it 19:09:49 <peter1138> 's why you do it together 19:10:58 * Prof_Frink takes his trousers off 19:11:07 <starn> how come i don't remember TrueBrain but i remeber peter1138 ?? 19:11:20 <TrueBrain> because your memory sucks? 19:11:32 <starn> indeed.. it's worse than my computers memory :D 19:11:46 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 19:11:53 <TrueBrain> I have been here for almost 7 years now ... so ... yeah .. you suck :p 19:12:07 <TrueBrain> (maybe now you remember me, now I insulted you) 19:12:38 <starn> well i've been gone shortly after 1.0 came out... 19:14:40 <peter1138> not that long ago then 19:14:55 <peter1138> but the brainy one wasn't always so brainy 19:15:15 <starn> did he use a different name?? 19:15:25 <TrueBrain> I use the be much lighter 19:17:31 <Prof_Frink> True. 19:23:31 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 19:23:48 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.9.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:24:00 <starn> wow i'm surprised at how much fast/smoother openttd runs on ubuntu than win... 19:24:02 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-138.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 19:24:36 <Rubidium> *bad* video card driver 19:25:28 <starn> maybe?? if your talking to me.. under win i use latest drivers from nvidia. 19:26:07 <Rubidium> yes. I guess they removed 8bpp acceleration from the drivers at some point, so it becomes much slower 19:27:17 <starn> Rubidium: maybe. i was mainly impressed that openttd loaded instatly no delay it loads faster than chrome lol. 19:27:50 <frosch123> loading time of ottd is mostly scanning for grfs 19:27:52 <Rubidium> maybe you've got loads of NewGRFs on/in your Windows version 19:28:27 <starn> Rubidium: i don't think i do. but it's possible. been awhile since i've used windows one.. leme load up windows one using wine 19:29:17 <starn> oh my windows one is still 1.0.0 haha 19:29:48 <starn> rc3 at that. 19:30:02 * andythenorth builts some code 19:30:50 <starn> Rubidium: you're right it has 5 newgrf still loaded faster under wine than windows lol 19:31:11 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:39:36 <peter1138> Rubidium, yeah, nobody uses 8bpp anymore! 19:39:42 <peter1138> everything is opengl or direct3d! 19:39:56 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:43:07 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 19:46:37 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:47:12 <starn> aha i have a christmass wish! i wish there was more projects like openttd :P 19:48:25 * andythenorth has builted some code no 19:48:27 <andythenorth> now 19:49:26 <TrueBrain> starn: http://www.opendune.org/ 19:49:31 <TrueBrain> if only the seerver wasn't down ... 19:50:11 <Terkhen> starn: start an open source version of simearth 19:50:14 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:50:14 <starn> TrueBrain: have they made any progress? last time i saw it, it was nothing there really... 19:50:22 <TrueBrain> well, it works 19:50:26 <TrueBrain> has been so for a year or so 19:50:26 <starn> OH MY GOD Terkhen that would be amazing! 19:50:32 <Eddi|zuHause> something must be wrong with these damn "open*" projects. all their servers go down simultaneously :p 19:50:38 <TrueBrain> and the 'they' includes me, so .. :p 19:50:50 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, I don't get it either .... 19:50:57 <starn> maybe microsoft attacked the servers haha 19:51:27 <Terkhen> :) 19:52:15 <frosch123> maybe the cia did an emp attack 19:52:40 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:08 <Eddi|zuHause> oh i hate coding python... 19:53:22 <starn> why Eddi|zuHause? 19:53:23 <Eddi|zuHause> by the time i close a string, i forget whether i opened it with ' or " 19:53:35 <starn> oh. lol 19:53:41 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: new rule, python strings are " only 19:55:37 <Eddi|zuHause> while on topic, is there a way to define all strings to be treated as unicode? i keep forgetting to write u"ÀöÌ" instead of "ÀöÌ" 19:56:24 <Alberth> you can give an encoding of the program source. Not sure whether that works though. 19:56:32 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 19:56:51 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i do that, but that's not the problem 19:57:27 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, you MUST give an encoding to the source, if it's not pure ascii 19:59:22 <Alberth> Hmm, so you would have to run your strings through .decode() I guess. 19:59:42 <Eddi|zuHause> what happens is this: my sources are encoded in cp1252, writing u"ÀöÌ" creates an unicode-string containing 'ÀöÌ', correctly encoding-converted. writing "ÀöÌ" creates a non-unicode-string, and on comparison with an unicode-string, conversion of the latter fails because internally it uses strict ascii 20:00:18 <Alberth> yeah, but I wonder what the non-unicode string actually is. 20:00:39 <Alberth> perhaps this is where python 3 really improves 20:01:01 <Eddi|zuHause> the non-unicode-string ends up containing cp1252 encoded 'ÀöÌ', but it forgets that it is cp1252 encoded 20:01:11 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3C1C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 20:01:30 <Eddi|zuHause> so if you run u"ÀöÌ"=="ÀöÌ" you get a conversion error 20:01:47 <Alberth> seems very wrong :) 20:02:05 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:02:11 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 20:02:16 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02:49 <Alberth> does u"ÀöÌ"=="ÀöÌ".decode('cp1252') work? 20:03:10 <Alberth> (just curious) 20:03:13 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that works (i tested this earlier) 20:03:55 <Eddi|zuHause> but this kind of conversion happens in all kinds of internal locations 20:04:22 <Alberth> yeah, and specifying the encoding twice is no good either 20:06:20 <Eddi|zuHause> well, currently it works, just i have to remember to prefix all strings with u 20:07:53 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-132-236.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:08:47 <Alberth> so the best seems to be s/ \(["']\)/ u/ afterwards 20:09:40 <Eddi|zuHause> having a space is not a reliable way to detect whether it's an opening or closing " ;) 20:10:39 <Alberth> ok, go write a Python parser + AST builder first :p 20:10:53 <Eddi|zuHause> that is builtin ;) 20:11:52 *** starn [~starn@adsl-68-92-115-170.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:12:51 <Eddi|zuHause> try "import compiler.ast" ;) 20:13:36 <Alberth> :) 20:17:18 <Eddi|zuHause> (reminds me of "import soul" ;)) 20:20:43 <andythenorth> ImportError: No module named soul 20:21:19 <andythenorth> seems to be refutation of Berkeley http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Berkeley 20:24:50 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3735.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:25:10 <Eddi|zuHause> didn't they actually include one of the xkcd jokes in python? 20:28:08 <andythenorth> might only be in python 3.0 20:30:21 <Eddi|zuHause> was probably a different one 20:36:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess it's this one: http://echochamber.me/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=39982 20:41:13 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-133-188.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:43:13 <Alberth> import this 20:43:36 <Alberth> although imho it should be import self :) 20:43:39 <andythenorth> old news :P 20:43:51 <andythenorth> we should add a 'zen of ottd' 20:43:53 <andythenorth> in console 20:44:46 <andythenorth> "YAPF is better than NPF" 20:45:01 <andythenorth> "PBS is better than old signals" 20:45:37 <Alberth> thy shall not build round-abouts 20:45:49 <andythenorth> "In the face of tight corners, refuse the temptation to 90 degree curves" 20:51:06 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.200.216] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:53 <Ammler> s/PBS is/PBS was/ (until close to 20k) :-) 20:52:00 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.200.216] has joined #openttd 20:53:42 *** yorick [yorick@hurf.minds.durf.alike.shellium.org] has joined #openttd 20:54:36 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-132-236.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:55:44 *** FauxFaux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56:21 *** Spoons [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:58:49 *** Spoons [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:22 <peter1138> andythenorth, http://fuzzle.org/~petern/pics/tgpmod2.png 21:04:42 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... ivory coast pulls a "florida" and declares a winner by high court instead of poll results... 21:06:07 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:09:31 * Terkhen wonders what are the chances of all air traffic controllers getting sick at the same time 21:10:19 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:10:27 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has joined #openttd 21:11:12 *** Jolteon [~Leftie@s4.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Quit: Speech Thewapy Wools OK?] 21:11:12 <Xaroth> 50% 21:12:59 <Terkhen> given that next monday and wednesday are holidays here, it's probably near 100% 21:14:45 <planetmaker> :-P 21:15:38 *** Jolteon [~Leftie@109.73.163.17] has joined #openttd 21:15:47 *** m2rt [~m2rt@sa-84-52-10-135.saturn.infonet.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:18:45 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:29:38 <Terkhen> http://imagepaste.nullnetwork.net/viewimage.php?id=1485 <-- hmm... do these lines in the terrain appear for someone else? 21:30:42 <Terkhen> (r21367) 21:39:29 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has quit [Quit: fmauneko] 21:41:15 <avdg> Terkhen: I had them too 21:41:34 <avdg> but unfortunately I didn't save the map 21:42:56 <Terkhen> does not seem much complicated to reproduce with my current settings... I'll save the cfg file to check this issue later 22:01:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: "variety distribution" combined with extremely asymmetric "aspect ratio" of the map? 22:05:17 <Terkhen> it's 512x512, although removing variety distribution removes the lines 22:06:38 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:06:48 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.9.76] has joined #openttd 22:11:46 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 22:11:55 <andythenorth> peter1138: nice coastlines :) 22:12:03 <andythenorth> the lakes look a bit....square :) 22:14:03 *** Spoons [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 22:14:07 <andythenorth> peter1138: or are the lakes....rivers? :o 22:18:19 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF97D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:23:09 <andythenorth> good night 22:23:09 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 22:23:19 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24:42 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 22:28:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:28:33 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:06 <Terkhen> good night 23:10:11 *** Kurenin [~Kurenin@193.151.121.42] has joined #openttd 23:10:16 <Kurenin> helloes 23:10:23 <Kurenin> I have a question that i'm sure one of you can answer 23:10:40 <Kurenin> I have a newgrf set (ECS Vectors) and i'm trying to apply parameters to it 23:10:53 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:10:55 <Kurenin> I double click on the thingy, add the parameter and click apply 23:11:01 <Kurenin> I then load my save and it's... not changed 23:11:06 <Kurenin> can you not change them mid game? 23:12:21 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13:21 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 23:14:54 <frosch123> to change them ingame you would have to open the newgrf settings in game, not in main menu. but depending on the parameter changes may not have the effect you intend and changing them might break your game completely 23:17:04 <Kurenin> hmm 23:17:08 <Kurenin> whenever I try to change them ingame 23:17:25 <Kurenin> it doesn't work at all, as in apply changes is greyed out 23:17:53 <frosch123> what version are you playing? 23:18:29 <Kurenin> 1.0.4 23:19:18 <frosch123> hmm, multiplayer? 23:23:04 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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