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00:03:29 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:53 *** lugo [lugo@195.3.138.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:05 <fjb> Programmable fountain? 00:23:37 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-173-240.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 00:27:02 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:64c2:127d:b801:f3a] has joined #openttd 00:31:45 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.197.32] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 00:32:38 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e08955d.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 00:33:14 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:64c2:127d:b801:f3a] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:02 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.63.147] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:43:21 *** lugo [lugo@195.3.138.104] has joined #openttd 00:46:47 <Ammler> Rubidium: quote from http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-1.1.html#recognized-keys: "Version of the Desktop Entry Specification that the desktop entry conforms with. Entries that confirm with this version of the specification should use 1.0." 00:46:54 <Ammler> notice the _1.0_ 00:47:02 <Ammler> but 1.1 spec 00:48:30 *** glx_ is now known as glx 00:51:04 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC33A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 00:57:42 *** gw280 [~george@vm.gwright.org.uk] has joined #openttd 00:57:44 <gw280> hey guys 00:59:20 <Rubidium> hello 01:00:24 <gw280> are there any good resources on signals? 01:01:45 <Rubidium> http://wiki.openttd.org/Signals ? 01:02:18 <gw280> well a more practical guide 01:05:24 <Rubidium> http://uwe.s2000.at/ttdx/basic/index.php?lang=en maybe? 01:05:34 <Rubidium> after that I've got no idea 01:07:43 <Ammler> someone announced a nice blog 01:15:50 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:22:44 <Rubidium> Ammler: you really want me to forward that bug to the people making the spec, right? 01:27:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-69-51.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:30:20 <Ammler> Rubidium: which spec? 01:30:35 <Rubidium> the desktop-entry one 01:30:42 <Ammler> that quote is from that spec 01:30:55 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc28ab.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:31:00 <Rubidium> yes 01:31:30 <Rubidium> but... two specs with the SAME version number is more likely to be an error in the specs than something they knowingly did 01:31:30 <Ammler> so the spec is fine, but the the openttd desktop file is wrong 01:31:41 <Rubidium> I argue the spec is wrong 01:32:07 <Ammler> well, yes then forward it, I just wonder then, why rpmlint also complains about 01:32:32 <Rubidium> because it hasn't been updated to support 1.1 yet... 01:33:49 <Ammler> well, then show me the spec which has 1.1 as valid value :-P 01:34:27 <Ammler> but again, I use the link from your file 01:34:32 <Ammler> used* 01:35:03 <Rubidium> Ammler: so... okay... I take your bait 01:35:14 <Rubidium> explain to me, which spec do I have to take if I specify version 1.0 01:35:47 <Rubidium> should I interpret the entries as UTF-8 or as 8 bit characters (i.e. ASCII or some $random unspecified codepage) 01:36:16 <glx> "Note that the version field is not required to be present. " 01:36:17 <Ammler> then please give me a link, I can show obs people 01:37:06 <Ammler> obs says 1.0, spec says 1.0 and you insist of 1.1 :-) 01:37:39 <Ammler> doesn't debian have check tools? 01:37:41 <glx> Values of type string may contain all ASCII characters except for control characters. 01:37:41 <Rubidium> Ammler: dear friend... I find a file which states "version 1.0" in it's desktop file. How am I to interpret the values? 01:37:41 <glx> Values of type localestring are user displayable, and are encoded in UTF-8. 01:37:41 <glx> 01:38:25 <Rubidium> glx: which spec did you get that from? the 1.1 or the 1.0? 01:38:31 <glx> 1.1 01:38:40 <Ammler> Rubidium: you really think I have to know, I just read the spec of 1.1, whcih tells me to use 1.0 01:38:54 <Ammler> I have no clue, why :-) 01:39:27 <Ammler> and rpmlint is updated quite frequently, as for example I had to change the groups 01:39:29 <glx> from the link Ammler pasted 01:40:02 <Ammler> glx: removing it got rejected last time I tried to convince rubi :-) 01:40:04 <Rubidium> glx: so the, what I consider version 1.1, but the file itself considers 1.0 01:40:12 <Rubidium> - Desktop entry files are encoded as lines of 8-bit characters separated 01:40:12 <Rubidium> - by LF characters. Case is significant everywhere in the file. 01:40:12 <Rubidium> + Desktop entry files are encoded in UTF-8. A file is interpreted as a 01:40:12 <Rubidium> + series of lines that are separated by linefeed characters. Case is 01:40:12 <Rubidium> + significant everywhere in the file. 01:40:24 <Rubidium> the - is what I consider 1.0, the + is what I consider 1.1 01:42:24 <Ammler> I could patch it like heffer, but I prefer first to talk to you :-) 01:43:14 <Ammler> debian build system has no issue with it? 01:43:31 <Rubidium> nope 01:43:49 <glx> so the only "visible" difference between 1.0 and 1.1 is encoding 01:44:09 <Rubidium> glx: yes, but don't you think that kinda warrants giving it a new version number? 01:44:17 <Rubidium> as it is somewhat incompatible 01:44:37 <Ammler> why does it need to be utf-8, btw.? 01:44:43 <Rubidium> and that everything reading 1.0 as if it were UTF8 is blatantly violating the specs? 01:45:23 <Rubidium> Comment[fr_FR]=Un jeu de simulation basé sur Transport Tycoon Deluxe 01:45:32 <Rubidium> because we have translated comments 01:45:35 <Rubidium> like that one 01:45:43 <Rubidium> which would violate the 1.0 1.0 specs 01:46:30 <Rubidium> basically the 1.0 1.0 specs say that my file is invalid, and *actually* those linters should fail on that 01:46:47 <Rubidium> as those characters are arguably not 8 bit characters 01:47:50 <glx> Comment is localestring so UTF-8 even in 1.0 01:48:47 <Ammler> Rubidium: but rpmlint doesn't complain about those strings, just about the Version 01:48:59 <Rubidium> glx: hmm... never got that far in the file 01:49:24 <Rubidium> after reading the 1.0 spec and finding "Comment lines are uninterpreted and may contain any character (except for LF). However, using UTF-8 for comment lines that contain characters not in ASCII is encouraged." I kinda assumed it didn't like UTF8 01:49:36 <Rubidium> which got encouraged by diffing the two specs and reading the above bit 01:49:43 <Ammler> and the desktop file seems to have valid utf-8 string in it 01:49:49 <glx> Comment lines are those staring with # 01:49:50 <Ammler> (from the rpm package) 01:50:18 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 01:54:39 <Rubidium> right... so the 1.0 spec does imply UTF-8 even though it says "8 bit characters" 01:55:00 <Rubidium> which can be interpreted in many ways 01:57:34 <Rubidium> interestingly the 1.1 was written by a Fedora user... 01:58:45 <Ammler> with my patch patched and unrpmed: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/304150/ 02:00:11 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21492 /trunk/media/openttd.desktop.in: 02:00:11 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: -Fix/Change/Revert [FS#4301]: apparantly version 1.1 of the desktop specs 02:00:11 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: requires you to declare that file as being version 1.0, even though the 1.1 spec 02:00:11 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: isn't a superset of the 1.0 spec. So revert back to stuff from the actual 1.0 02:00:11 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: spec. 02:01:46 <Ammler> :-) 02:01:57 <Ammler> it is indeed silly 02:19:36 <polymorphZ> hey 02:33:29 *** KouDy [~KouDy@118.100.112.135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:33:57 *** KouDy [~KouDy@118.100.112.135] has joined #openttd 02:35:50 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:46:11 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:64c2:127d:b801:f3a] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:52:30 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Quit: Forlater kanalen] 02:52:35 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 03:20:43 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 03:21:06 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:43:08 *** murr4y [~murray@167.84-48-66.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:17 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 03:49:02 *** richardus [~richardus@ip24-252-13-201.om.om.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:49:14 *** richardus [~richardus@ip24-252-13-201.om.om.cox.net] has joined #openttd 03:54:31 *** murr4y [~murray@167.84-48-66.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 04:11:24 *** PulseNeon [~pulse.neo@78-40-197-182.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 04:17:50 *** juliano [~juliano@201-42-209-21.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:23:12 *** SystemParadox [~simon@proxima.systemparadox.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:30:49 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7362F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B743E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:04:23 <Terkhen> good morning 06:04:30 *** lasershock [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:31:58 <PulseNeon> Morning 06:45:32 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has joined #openttd 06:45:58 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:58:02 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 07:11:10 *** afk [~Dre@89.240.157.119] has joined #openttd 07:11:10 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@89.240.157.119] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:19:37 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice3n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 07:21:26 <norbert79> Morning 07:22:16 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 07:24:26 *** lasershock [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 07:25:02 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:27:58 *** Mortomes|Work [~MortomesW@mail.qps.nl] has joined #openttd 07:28:46 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e08955d.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:40:41 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:56:32 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:58:28 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:08:39 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 08:27:02 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 08:30:34 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice3n2.emea.ibm.com] has left #openttd [] 08:30:38 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice3n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 08:33:49 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0e20.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:37:19 *** zachanim1 [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:58:37 *** realbigdreamer [~realbigdr@197.168.136.96] has joined #openttd 09:00:25 *** realbigdreamer [~realbigdr@197.168.136.96] has quit [] 09:08:42 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC33A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:28:56 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 09:29:04 <IchGuckLive> morning all! 09:29:50 <IchGuckLive> i reatched my personal final's 2 years early B) 09:30:00 <IchGuckLive> http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/131210102743_openttd_real_1mio_3years.jpg 09:32:15 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [] 09:32:47 <peter1138> ... 09:34:02 <norbert79> Unpatient 09:34:04 <norbert79> :) 09:34:48 <norbert79> Besides, it's just a screenshot of getting 1 mil. income 09:34:59 <norbert79> he didn't even say on which difficulty level :) 09:37:56 <fonsinchen> I guess diagonal levelling and demolishing is really and finally broken now ... 09:37:58 <fonsinchen> :( 09:38:12 <peter1138> hmm? 09:38:36 <fonsinchen> Since someone implemented a tile iterator which does sort of the same, but in a completely different way. 09:38:48 <fonsinchen> and without diagonal iteration. 09:39:26 <fonsinchen> Whatever, it was kind of zombic already before that. 09:40:14 <planetmaker> Nah. You just need to modify / amend the iterator 09:40:27 <planetmaker> good morning also :-) 09:41:22 <planetmaker> or better implement another diagonal iterator 09:41:49 <fonsinchen> Basically I'd need to reimplement it. I don't think I will. I've got enough things to maintain already. 09:42:08 <peter1138> What's used now? 09:42:27 <peter1138> I notice that TileArea has spread somewhat since I introduced it. 09:42:37 <planetmaker> what do you need it for (other than exactly that, diagonal terraform)? 09:43:20 <planetmaker> http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/rev/e7830355e9b4 09:44:49 <fonsinchen> I have "shadow orders" now, btw: https://github.com/fonsinchen/openttd-cargodist/tree/auto_orders 09:45:13 <fonsinchen> They sort of work, but don't try conditional orders, yet. 09:45:28 <peter1138> heh 09:50:24 <peter1138> those are automatic orders that appear when a vehicle visits a station? 09:50:34 <fonsinchen> yes 09:50:55 <fonsinchen> to be used in cargodist to make educated guesses about the next station 09:50:59 <fonsinchen> for stopping orders 09:51:16 <peter1138> iirc cargodest wanted that too, heh 09:52:52 * fonsinchen waves 09:53:13 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0e20.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53:34 <Terkhen> hmmm... I thought that codechange would make reimplementation of diagonal iterators simpler, not the other way around 09:53:47 <Terkhen> I'm late :) 09:54:51 <peter1138> i think he did it with a java-style iterator 09:55:03 <peter1138> i'm not sure what that means, tbh, but it was different from how we do it ;) 09:55:42 <Terkhen> yes, but IIRC in that patch there was a class for "normal" iterators too 09:57:32 <Terkhen> hmm... if I could understand the diagonal iteration code I would try to update it myself 10:01:35 *** Tennel [~Tennel@193.175.2.6] has joined #openttd 10:03:56 <norbert79> And if I had any clue, what you are talking all about... :) 10:05:46 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.63.147] has joined #openttd 10:06:09 <Rubidium> Terkhen: yeah, the orthoganol iterator is way simpler 10:06:11 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-213-220-225-182.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:07:15 <Terkhen> norbert79: diagonal level and clear 10:08:59 <Terkhen> the code of both orthogonal tileiterators is quite similar... I might be able to just "translate" the patch without understanding DiagonalIterator::operator++ 10:34:04 <roboboy> hello 10:34:29 <Terkhen> hi roboboy 10:34:49 <avdg> hi 10:35:05 * roboboy is excited to be starting work for the first time next month 10:35:10 <Terkhen> :) 10:42:51 *** Joni_ [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:48:46 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:14 *** afk [~Dre@89.240.157.119] has quit [Quit: Never look down on someone unless you're helping them up.] 10:50:46 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:52:00 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@89.240.157.119] has joined #openttd 10:55:43 *** fjb is now known as Guest921 10:55:45 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFDB74.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:56:37 <Mortomes|Work> roboboy: What kind of work? 10:56:51 <roboboy> IT 10:56:58 <Mortomes|Work> I hate that term 10:57:10 <Mortomes|Work> It could mean anything from the guy that fixes your printer to a software engineer :P 10:57:32 <roboboy> well since it's my first job have a geuse 10:57:47 <roboboy> guess 10:58:53 <Rubidium> you're bringing coffee to the receptionist of a company that does some IT? 10:59:12 <roboboy> fixing printers and basic stuff but ive been told doing stuff in access with possible progresion to oracle db 10:59:46 <roboboy> its with the state's road authority 11:02:22 *** Guest921 [~frank@p5DDFE285.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:03:55 <blathijs_> Mortomes|Work: The problem with being more specific than "IT" is that for a lot of people, the leads to "I design and implement firmware for wireless access points" "Uh, what?" "I do IT" "Ah!" 11:04:04 <dih> access ...? urks 11:04:27 <dih> blathijs_, :-D 11:05:04 <dih> when i was doing Linux Admin, i would say "i make sure you can get your emails" :-P 11:05:35 <dih> at least people could understand one term in that sentance :-D 11:05:42 <blathijs_> hehe 11:05:45 *** blathijs_ is now known as blathijs 11:16:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B0CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:20:26 <Rubidium> dih: but that's not true. You try to make sure they don't get most the emails addressed to them 11:20:45 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-213-220-225-182.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:21:03 *** Tennel [~Tennel@193.175.2.6] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 11:22:16 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21493 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: don't use the full 32 bits of the level land command to tell whether to raise, lower or keep the level of the first selected tile 11:23:36 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 11:26:01 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21494 /trunk/src/tilearea_type.h: -Codechange: split the tile iterator in two classes 11:26:14 <peter1138> pom te pom 11:27:58 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-173-240.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 11:29:51 *** LordAro [56841a4e@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:30:34 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21495 /trunk/src/terraform_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: don't hide a local variable 11:36:47 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-173-240.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 11:39:33 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-173-240.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 11:41:45 <Mortomes|Work> blathijs: "I'm the computer guy!" 11:45:39 <Eddi|zuHause> "I'm developing a management and accounting software for a non-water liquid storage facility" 11:57:59 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.197.32] has joined #openttd 12:05:45 <George> Hi. Is there anybody here who could help me with action 14? 12:06:06 <George> I can't understand how to specify bit-switches 12:07:06 <George> First - what param type should I specify? Integer or boolean? 12:07:22 <George> there are values 0-31 pissible 12:07:42 <George> but in fact they are 5 independent boolead values 12:07:46 <George> what to do? 12:09:01 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:01 <Eddi|zuHause> George: the difference between boolean (true/false) and integer (values 0 or 1) is the representation in the GUI. to put multiple switches into one parameter, you use these lines: 12:11:12 <Eddi|zuHause> "B" "MASK" \w3 \b0 \b0 \b1 // lowest Bit 12:11:23 <Eddi|zuHause> "B" "MASK" \w3 \b0 \b1 \b1 // next higher bit 12:11:26 <Eddi|zuHause> "B" "MASK" \w3 \b0 \b2 \b1 // next higher bit 12:11:37 <Eddi|zuHause> "B" "MASK" \w3 \b0 \b3 \b1 // next higher bit 12:11:42 <Eddi|zuHause> etc. 12:13:03 <Eddi|zuHause> George: i have an example here: http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/showthread.php?tid=4929&pid=66943#pid66943 12:13:29 <Ammler> firs examples: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/entry/sprites/nfo/header.pnfo 12:14:13 <George> why don't you have them here http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action14#_Number_of_settings_quot_INFO_quot_gt_quot_NPAR_quot_ 12:15:27 <Ammler> also notice, you can have the whole action14 in one sprite 12:18:10 <planetmaker> George: this might be a nicer readable example http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/entry/sprites/nfo/parameters_a14.pnfo 12:18:58 <planetmaker> ah, nvm. Eddi's is just as good 12:19:29 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: yours doesn't really explain the bitstuffing ;) 12:19:58 <planetmaker> it doesn't, that's right. It uses a sorted list 12:21:39 <Ammler> George: it is a good idea to place the trailing nullbyte on a own line, so you have easier control how many are needed 12:23:08 <Ammler> eddi's example seems to have forgotten those... 12:24:01 <Eddi|zuHause> what? i have plenty of 00 in the end 12:24:38 <Eddi|zuHause> or do you mean i'm missing one? 12:25:27 <George> Do I got you right http://pastebin.com/Na1chH8f 12:25:49 <Eddi|zuHause> George: looks ok on first glance 12:26:22 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... no... should be "MASK" \w3 12:26:27 <Eddi|zuHause> not \w1 12:26:37 <Eddi|zuHause> the \w3 is the number of following bytes in the NFO 12:26:44 <Eddi|zuHause> which is always 3 for "MASK" 12:26:45 <George> ? 12:28:36 <Eddi|zuHause> "B" "MASK" <number of nfo bytes (3)> <byte 1 (parameter number)> <byte 2 (start bit number)> <byte 3 (number of bits)> 12:29:05 <George> changed. Nforenum reported 12:29:05 <George> //!!Warning (209): Offset 94: Found byte 1 of a 4-byte escape while reading byte 1 of a 1-byte field. 12:29:05 <George> //!!Warning (209): Offset 95: Found byte 2 of a 4-byte escape while reading byte 1 of a 1-byte field. 12:29:05 <George> //!!Warning (209): Offset 96: Found byte 3 of a 4-byte escape while reading byte 1 of a 1-byte field. 12:29:05 <George> //!!Warning (209): Offset 97: Found byte 4 of a 4-byte escape while reading byte 1 of a 1-byte field. 12:30:05 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure where that is 12:32:27 <Eddi|zuHause> after "DFLT" should always be \w4 12:32:40 <Eddi|zuHause> you have \w0 12:32:48 <Rubidium> and the line after that should get \w3 12:32:57 <Rubidium> after all, you add 3 bytes 12:33:44 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 12:34:20 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: ah it is scrollable layer ;-) 12:34:27 <Ammler> stupid forum 12:37:42 <George> and can I add string with description between these parameters? some sort of separator? 12:38:49 <planetmaker> you can use the usual comments as anywhere in NFO 12:38:59 <planetmaker> or what kind of description do you mean? 12:39:11 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: he means so openttd shows that in the gui 12:39:16 <Eddi|zuHause> like: 12:39:20 <Eddi|zuHause> "Group of settings A" 12:39:26 <Eddi|zuHause> "Setting 1" 12:39:29 <Eddi|zuHause> "Setting 2" 12:39:34 <Eddi|zuHause> "Group of settings B" 12:39:37 <Eddi|zuHause> "Setting 3" 12:39:41 <Eddi|zuHause> "Setting 4" 12:39:45 <planetmaker> well. That's not possible 12:40:21 <planetmaker> but you can choose appropriate parameter names like 12:40:39 <planetmaker> Production changes primary industry 12:40:46 <planetmaker> Production changes secondary industry 12:40:56 <planetmaker> Production stockpiles 12:41:02 <planetmaker> Then it's also visually grouped 12:41:08 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice3n2.emea.ibm.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:47:21 <George> Eddi|zuHause: correct 12:48:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i suppose theoretically one could add a setting type "separator text" 12:49:15 <Eddi|zuHause> which shows no buttons, and doesn't need storing in a parameter 12:49:38 <planetmaker> probably. But it leads to earlier scrolling 12:51:27 <roboboy> gnight 12:52:16 <planetmaker> g'night roboboy 12:52:55 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21496 /trunk/src/tilearea_type.h: -Fix (r21494): ofcourse older GCCs (< 4.3) have something to complain about 13:17:05 *** SystemParadox [~simon@proxima.systemparadox.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:18:02 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@99.129.159.46] has quit [Quit: Don't Panic!] 13:20:54 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:21:47 *** Suzari [~pulse.neo@78-40-197-182.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 13:22:47 *** KouDy [~KouDy@118.100.112.135] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:23:17 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@adsl-99-129-159-46.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:26 *** PulseNeon [~pulse.neo@78-40-197-182.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:25:43 *** Suzari [~pulse.neo@78-40-197-182.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [] 13:26:01 *** PulseNeon [~pulse.neo@78-40-197-182.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 13:27:12 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db18406.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:38:14 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF82F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:43:08 <LadyHawk> http://ladyhawk.flawlesscorruption.net/screens/DepotBlock.PNG << not had any problems with the waypoint being inside the path signal block, it works a lot better than having it outside the block, because now there's no time in between the depot order and the train reserving a track for the path to become blocked 13:43:37 <LadyHawk> i just don't like their exit right now, too small, have to find a way for the trains to fully exit depot before merging back in to speed up the merge 13:46:15 <LadyHawk> and a path signal followed by another path signal also seems to work just fine, even though i do realise the tool tip help says safest way is a normal signal 13:51:46 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db18406.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51:53 <Eddi|zuHause> why do you need signals on the exit track at all? 13:52:35 <Eddi|zuHause> the depots automatically have a builtin path signal, if the entrance before the depot has a path signal 13:53:00 <SmatZ> maybe to make the blocks smaller? 13:53:09 <SmatZ> by few half-tiles :) 13:58:01 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:04:18 <LadyHawk> if the exit track has no signals, trains will have to wait longer inside the depots before they can reserve a track out of the block 14:04:21 <LadyHawk> slowing the entire thing down 14:04:53 <LadyHawk> and potentially getting 80+ trains stuck waiting in those depots lol 14:06:04 <LadyHawk> using the 'trains unreserve the track behind them' thing works to make trains enter something.. but it doesn't work on their exit 14:07:30 <LadyHawk> every second of time i can scrape off in blocks like those speeds up the entire route 14:08:05 <Eddi|zuHause> LadyHawk: so make the exit longer: depot - one train length of straight track - signal - merge 14:08:23 <Eddi|zuHause> it should be rare that two trains are inside the same depot 14:08:37 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice3n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 14:09:32 <LadyHawk> aye 14:10:53 <LadyHawk> the 4 depots i had first wasn't fast enough for 2 feed tracks.. so i stuck 2 in the middle, when a train is exiting 1 of the depots, the other's available to enter.. 14:11:05 <LadyHawk> i'm loving this ctrl+click to build stations and stuff apart from eachother btw :D 14:11:13 <LadyHawk> that's how i made that waypoint! XD 14:20:35 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 14:27:30 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b825:21c9:483b:30c4] has joined #openttd 14:27:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:33:58 *** KouDy [~KouDy@118.100.112.135] has joined #openttd 14:51:23 *** Doorslammer [770b1b1f@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:57:19 <Belugas> hello 14:57:27 <norbert79> hello Belugas 15:01:20 <fjb> Moin Belugas 15:01:32 <planetmaker> moin Belugas, norbert79, fjb 15:01:33 <dih> hey ho Belugas 15:02:33 <fjb> Moin planetmaker, norbert79, dih and everybody else. 15:02:55 <dih> "i greet my family and everybody who knows me" :-P 15:08:18 <Belugas> hi hi all :) 15:10:12 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21497 /trunk/src/ (4 files): -Codechange: prepare the viewport selection mechanism for selecting diagonally 15:10:48 <fjb> Moin Rubidium. 15:13:01 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21498 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Codechange: make the measurement tooltip handle diagonal selection properly 15:14:02 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21499 /trunk/src/ (tilearea.cpp tilearea_type.h): -Add: diagonal tile iterator. Based on patch by fonsinchen 15:15:35 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21500 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Feature [FS#730]: diagonal tile clearing and terraforming. Based on patch by fonsinchen 15:16:04 <peter1138> haha 15:16:23 <Rubidium> and another patch fails to apply... 15:16:31 <Rubidium> oh I've been on a patch breaking spree lately :) 15:16:48 <peter1138> just found it amusing that he was complainging this morning 15:17:09 <Rubidium> yeah :) 15:17:22 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 15:17:46 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 15:18:21 <Rubidium> though I was already working on this adaptation yesterday evening 15:18:43 <peter1138> i assumed so :) 15:19:09 <Rubidium> maybe I should've unassigned him from FS#730 before closing that 15:19:18 <peter1138> hmm, how often is git updated? 15:19:55 <Rubidium> once per commit 15:20:22 <Rubidium> or do you mean the actual git binary? 15:21:58 *** chris_ [~chris@213.179.145.226] has joined #openttd 15:22:07 <chris_> hi there 15:22:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B743E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:22:22 *** James [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 15:22:38 <chris_> i have a vserver and want to install an openttd server what is the easyiest way? 15:22:55 *** James is now known as Guest947 15:22:56 <chris_> i found a package in the apt repo 15:23:10 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:23:10 <Rubidium> install that 15:23:31 <chris_> and it will work with the portable apps openttd version? 15:24:15 <chris_> so installing via apt-get and starting like described here: http://wiki.openttd.org/Dedicated_Servers#In_Linux ? 15:24:32 <Rubidium> there is no special portable apps openttd version 15:24:32 <peter1138> no, i mean the git repo 15:24:42 <norbert79> portable apps openttd? :S ... Why having something like that? OpenTTD works like DOS old ways too... Having the config set in the root direcotry of the game makes it work from that same directory 15:24:48 <peter1138> it's on r21492 at the moment 15:25:13 <chris_> http://portableapps.com/news/2010-12-08_-_openttd_portable_1.0.5 15:25:16 <chris_> i mean this one 15:25:29 <Rubidium> peter1138: http://vcs.openttd.org/git/?p=openttd/trunk.git;a=commit;h=d3bd44a9bc3eae6d32fa8a5f83e91115d24b954c <- quite r21500 15:25:48 <chris_> norbert79 cause i downloaded the portable apps version and playin with that one and works best for me 15:25:53 <Rubidium> chris_: that's an unsupported version, so we can't say anything definitive about that 15:25:56 <norbert79> chris_: Hah, it's probably just the same binary 15:26:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B743E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:26:08 <chris_> oh ok 15:26:10 <norbert79> chris_: No need for something like this... 15:26:16 <chris_> :D 15:26:38 <norbert79> chris_: Just have the config file in the same directory where your openttd.exe/elf/whatever binary is, and it works from there 15:26:39 <chris_> well i like portable apps it makes luife easier :D 15:26:56 <peter1138> [remote "origin"] 15:26:58 <peter1138> url = http://git.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.git/ 15:27:02 <planetmaker> whereever you got that binary, maybe the search paths for the config file and extensions were changed or differently prioized. But the default binaries should work in any case 15:27:06 <peter1138> $ git pull 15:27:06 <peter1138> Already up-to-date. 15:27:17 <peter1138> $ git log | head 15:27:23 <peter1138> (svn r21492) ... 15:27:30 <chris_> ok thanks so far guys 15:27:33 *** chris_ [~chris@213.179.145.226] has left #openttd [] 15:27:49 <peter1138> switched to git:// and it's updated 15:27:55 <peter1138> http caching or something stupid? 15:28:10 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:28:23 <Rubidium> probably 15:28:33 <Rubidium> but AFAIK our HTTP doesn't cache that 15:29:37 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 15:29:58 <peter1138> hmm 15:30:08 <peter1138> well, i checked it out after those last commits 15:30:10 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 15:30:13 <peter1138> oh well 15:30:16 *** Mortomes|Work [~MortomesW@mail.qps.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:32:53 *** gw280 [~george@vm.gwright.org.uk] has left #openttd [] 15:33:13 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has joined #openttd 15:34:43 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21501 /trunk/src/ (terraform_gui.cpp viewport.cpp): -Fix (rnotlongago): guess what was complaining this time? 15:38:09 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@wired-84.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 15:38:56 <Rubidium> @commit 20000 15:38:56 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Commit by rubidium :: r20000 /tags/1.0.2 (9 files in 4 dirs) (2010-06-19 16:44:18 UTC) 15:38:57 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: -Release: 1.0.2 15:39:58 * fjb remembers that commit. 15:39:59 <Rubidium> so late summer/autumn 2013 for r30k? 15:40:25 <fjb> ou have to commit faster. :-) 15:40:28 <SmatZ> @commit 10000 15:40:30 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit r10000 doesn't exists 15:40:33 <SmatZ> @commit 10001 15:40:34 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by belugas :: r10001 /trunk/src (3 files in 2 dirs) (2007-05-31 15:40:36 UTC) 15:40:35 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: -Codechange: Add support for removing dynamically allocated newgrf data 15:40:38 <SmatZ> @commit 1 15:40:38 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by truelight :: r1 / (202 files in 13 dirs) (2004-08-09 17:04:08 UTC) 15:40:39 <planetmaker> :-) 15:40:40 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Import of revision 975 of old (crashed) SVN 15:41:01 *** PulseNeon [~pulse.neo@78-40-197-182.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:36 <Eddi|zuHause> so about 3 years... 15:42:12 <planetmaker> @commit 1.0.0-beta1 15:42:12 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Invalid arguments for _commit. 15:42:15 <planetmaker> hm 15:42:19 <SmatZ> p 15:42:29 <glx> <@DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit r10000 doesn't exists <-- lie :) 15:42:34 <SmatZ> :( 15:42:45 <Rubidium> planetmaker: r18623 15:42:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it's also misspelled :) 15:42:59 <SmatZ> hehe 15:43:06 <Rubidium> glx: actually, r10000 really doesn't exist in the current repository 15:43:57 <Rubidium> or rather, it's just a stub for a commit that isn't in the repository 15:44:29 <planetmaker> @calc (21500 - 18623) / 365 15:44:29 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 7.88219178082 15:44:32 <glx> C:\Users\Loïc>svn log svn://svn.openttd.org/ -r10000 15:44:32 <glx> ----------------------------------------------------- 15:44:32 <glx> r10000 | (pas d'auteur) | (pas de date) | 1 ligne 15:45:12 <planetmaker> hm, that's a lot commits per day 15:45:14 <Rubidium> glx: but that's all the revision is 15:45:29 <planetmaker> @calc 8500 / 7.8 15:45:29 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 1089.74358974 15:45:34 <planetmaker> @calc 8500 / 7.8 / 365 15:45:34 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 2.98559887601 15:45:57 <planetmaker> so Christmas 2013 :-) 15:46:29 <Rubidium> planetmaker: you ought to compare to r18483 15:46:55 <Rubidium> @calc 8500 / ((21500 - 18483) / 365) / 365 15:46:55 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 2.8173682466 15:47:23 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 15:47:33 <Rubidium> @calc .817*365 15:47:33 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 298.205 15:47:35 <planetmaker> I don't think the predictive power is better than 10% ;-) 15:47:54 <Rubidium> so early October :) 15:48:07 <planetmaker> :-) 15:48:43 <Eddi|zuHause> mister i-only-care-about-orders-of-magnitude ;) 15:49:02 <SmatZ> ~1500 revisions since r20000, ~6 months... 15:49:14 <SmatZ> -> ~3 years, again :) 15:49:17 <planetmaker> yeah :-) 15:50:13 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@wired-84.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 15:50:39 <planetmaker> ân/ât â 3/day 15:50:49 <planetmaker> ân/ât â 3000/year 15:51:34 <SmatZ> humm 15:51:42 <SmatZ> a year has 1000 days then 15:51:44 <planetmaker> ignore first line ;-) 15:51:47 <SmatZ> :) 15:51:57 <Rubidium> SmatZ: yes, that's fine. It's not more than an order difference 15:52:04 <planetmaker> :-D 15:52:05 <SmatZ> hehe :) 15:52:13 <planetmaker> quite ;-) 15:52:24 <SmatZ> true, 365 > sqrt(10) * 1000, so it could be rounded to 1000 15:54:09 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host142-58-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 15:54:23 <SmatZ> hello the lego-landscape creator :) 15:54:29 <Wolf01> hello 15:54:41 <Wolf01> ADSL problems resolved (for now) 15:54:52 <Rubidium> after all, the difference between 3/day and 3000/year is only 30% 15:55:04 <Rubidium> s/30/33/ 15:55:37 <planetmaker> @calc (21500 - 18483) / (pi*10**7) 15:55:37 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 9.60340926616e-05 15:55:48 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 16:00:49 <Belugas> lego! 16:01:08 <Terkhen> hmm... is that for OpenTTD or are you talking about minecraft again? :P 16:04:46 <Belugas> me? ain't on minecraft 16:05:13 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 16:06:24 <Belugas> i'm just happy about the lego word :) got tons of the blocks during weekend. my nephews brought us 2 BIG plates of all the stuff they collected. my son was in heaven 16:06:28 <Belugas> so did i ;S 16:06:34 <Belugas> until my wife said... 16:06:55 <Belugas> "They are dirty, you have to clean them up before he'll play with them" 16:06:58 <Belugas> shit... 16:07:07 <Belugas> now that is a very long process... 16:08:11 <Rubidium> long process? Fill pillow case with lego, put in washing machine, let it run a cycle, transfer to dryer, let that run a cycle and done 16:08:35 <Rubidium> you could even cheat a bit by cancelling the cycles early 16:09:11 <Belugas> rather... let them soak with water and soap 16:09:16 <Belugas> take a brush 16:09:26 <Rubidium> pff... 16:09:30 <Belugas> and brush each [piece 16:09:34 <Belugas> they ARE dirty 16:11:19 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-213-220-225-182.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:12:16 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 16:12:32 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has joined #openttd 16:13:28 <Terkhen> :O 16:14:16 <Terkhen> that must be really tedious 16:15:01 <fjb> Installed new KDE. Time for reboot. See you all soon... hopefully. 16:15:26 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFDB74.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15:30 <planetmaker> he. I definitely would do the same thing Rubidium just advised 16:15:44 <planetmaker> a washing machine can work wonders there 16:17:08 <Belugas> mmh.. 16:17:28 <Belugas> might give it a try, i've only done a handfull 16:17:34 <Belugas> hot water? 16:17:38 <Belugas> guess so.. 16:18:15 <planetmaker> wash them at 60°C with the usual washing powder... 16:22:26 <Belugas> will try tonigh for sure :) 16:22:56 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice3n2.emea.ibm.com] has left #openttd [] 16:23:39 <Ammler> pieces with stickers will go lost most probably 16:24:13 <SmatZ> hope the colours won't be lost :D 16:24:44 <SmatZ> 60°C seems to be needlessly high 16:25:17 <Rubidium> actually, it's too low if you want them really cleaned 16:25:48 <glx> @SmatZ> hope the colours won't be lost :D <-- color is in the mass 16:26:10 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF82F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:26:14 <glx> but "painted" pieces will probably prefer hand washing 16:27:22 <Rubidium> e.g. it takes 30 minutes at 68°C or 15 seconds at 72°C to pasteurise milk 16:27:59 <peter1138> eh 16:28:01 <Rubidium> and that process only kills most of the "bad stuff" 16:28:46 <SmatZ> what's the point in living in desinfected world 16:29:08 <Rubidium> SmatZ: dieing sooner of infection :) 16:29:20 <glx> it's to be more sensible to infections when going outside ;) 16:29:21 <SmatZ> when you die first time you leave you house because you lack any antibodies 16:29:25 <SmatZ> hehe 16:29:54 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 16:29:54 <Rubidium> glx: sensible or sensitive? 16:30:10 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFDB74.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:30:14 <SmatZ> false friend :p 16:30:33 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has joined #openttd 16:30:43 <SmatZ> ^^ when Terkhen said that, I was confused :) 16:31:03 <glx> sensitive it seems :) 16:31:06 <Rubidium> but... if $wife insists it must be cleaned thoroughly, then I reckon that implies bacterial stuff as well 16:31:18 <Rubidium> as you won't die of a bit of dirt on your fingers 16:31:44 <Terkhen> a lego landscape generator sounds like something for a block based game such as minecraft :P 16:32:22 <glx> I don't think there's a lego skin for minecraft 16:32:25 <glx> would be nice 16:33:13 <Markk> Actually, I think there is. 16:33:40 <Markk> You mean as a "armor" 16:34:23 <Rubidium> Terkhen: I guess you missed http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=34999 16:34:36 <Terkhen> :O 16:34:40 *** KouDy [~KouDy@118.100.112.135] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:34:49 <Terkhen> that's awesome 16:34:54 <Rubidium> yeah, you likely did 16:35:14 <peter1138> was that ever finished? (hah) 16:35:44 <Rubidium> are there any landscape replacing NewGRFs that are really finished? 16:36:00 <peter1138> :) 16:36:02 <glx> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=98772 <-- there is one it seems 16:36:11 <Terkhen> I might have been lurking the forums already back then, but definitely not the NewGRF forums 16:36:29 <glx> I meant texture pack 16:36:30 <Rubidium> original developed ones, i.e. not ones that reuse the graphics from e.g. the original Transport Tycoon 16:36:49 <peter1138> looks crappy :( 16:37:15 <Terkhen> I wonder why it needed 32bpp 16:37:48 <Rubidium> because they started cranking out some 32bpp sprites instead of converting them to 8bpp 16:38:18 <Terkhen> it seems they did not want to deal with pcx 16:38:47 <Rubidium> that starts to get an old excuse 16:39:04 <Terkhen> :D 16:40:14 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.63.147] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:41:26 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff44b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:43:00 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF82F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:45:57 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 16:46:32 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has joined #openttd 17:00:56 <planetmaker> [17:35] <Rubidium> are there any landscape replacing NewGRFs that are really finished? <-- can you define "finished"? :-) 17:01:05 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 17:01:06 <planetmaker> I do have one which replaces all ground tiles 17:01:12 <planetmaker> to have without grids 17:01:23 <planetmaker> And there's a similar one for the TTD base set sprites 17:01:32 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has joined #openttd 17:02:01 <planetmaker> hm. ho. ALL sprites? Nah :-) 17:05:17 <Rubidium> planetmaker: a whole climate 17:05:39 <planetmaker> maybe canset has that. But speaking of released: No 17:06:00 <planetmaker> TTO maybe, but that's not self-drawn either 17:06:12 <planetmaker> (AFAIK) 17:06:43 <Rubidium> planetmaker: that's why I excluded TTO's 17:07:05 <planetmaker> ah, missed that 17:07:47 <planetmaker> Other than that: drawing in 32bpp is no excuse for not providing a 8bpp version. For all what I know everything Zephyris draws is originally in 32bpp. But he supplies it as quite good 8bpp sprites (too) 17:08:08 *** retro [~retro@125.151.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 17:09:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff44b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:25 *** Doorslammer [770b1b1f@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:10:52 <Ammler> toy2mars, but might be seen as TTO too 17:11:10 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff44b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:43 *** retro [~retro@125.151.broadband3.iol.cz] has left #openttd [] 17:11:49 <planetmaker> yes 17:15:09 <frosch123> doesn't japanese set have some stuff? 17:18:01 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:18:56 <planetmaker> hm. All in all it redefines everything. Maybe except water. 17:19:22 <planetmaker> And I'm not sure there are planes, sufficient RV and ships 17:20:14 <planetmaker> but still. It's IMHO a very good excample how things are well designed to work individually and modular but make a great combined set. 17:23:22 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:32:49 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:33:04 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 17:33:33 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has joined #openttd 17:42:08 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:42:19 <supermop> hello all 17:42:45 <SmatZ> hello supermop 17:44:26 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:44:56 <supermop> how are things going? 17:46:31 <SmatZ> could be better :) 17:47:02 <supermop> things usually can, 17:47:10 <supermop> but they also could be worse 17:47:18 <SmatZ> true :) 17:47:22 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:52:31 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 17:55:03 <IchGuckLive> hey folks i made it to the finish 1mio under 3years with a given random no cheeds ! ->http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/131210102743_openttd_real_1mio_3years.jpg 17:55:48 <SmatZ> gratz, no planes :) 17:56:17 <IchGuckLive> no money 17:56:32 <V453000> now go make 1000 trains :) 17:56:39 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC33A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 17:56:51 <IchGuckLive> 500 is maximum or 17:57:00 <V453000> 5000 is maximum 17:57:15 <IchGuckLive> i will go on and wait for the second bank 17:57:44 <IchGuckLive> 5000 in a 256x256 game ? 17:57:54 <V453000> I doubt that would be possible 17:58:20 <V453000> on 512*512 it wouldl 17:59:30 <IchGuckLive> best for me so fare is if i start with a given random ,its the same game so you coudt try some different tactics 18:01:45 <IchGuckLive> there is also no way ships going to pay off this has to be changed 18:02:06 <V453000> ships suck 18:02:15 <IchGuckLive> B) agree 18:03:18 <IchGuckLive> 20tiles water to cross ,a train goes 60same time and earns the same amount 18:03:42 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 18:03:55 <V453000> it isnt about profits 18:04:09 <IchGuckLive> maybe for short iland transfer to the mainland its ok but not to deliver 18:04:18 <V453000> ships are mainly boring because they are too simple to build and have nothing challenging in them since they have endless capacity 18:04:22 <V453000> also they lag as hell 18:05:22 <IchGuckLive> crossings and junktions around the citi's are the most attractive 18:06:44 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@24.41.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 18:06:54 <IchGuckLive> can i see anywhere witch build or release im running ? 18:07:18 <ABCRic> title bar? 18:07:24 <IchGuckLive> 1.05RC2 18:07:48 <IchGuckLive> im on ubuntu 10.04 18:11:31 *** thefiler [2987a392@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:11:45 <thefiler> hi guys 18:11:52 <Markk> Hoi 18:12:10 <thefiler> why is it that in a big city one cant build banks? sorry if this is a stupid question 18:14:39 <ABCRic> thefiler: I have a test city with 4.4 million people and I can still build banks. 18:15:46 <IchGuckLive> 4.4Mio how goes that after 100years 18:16:28 <ABCRic> Made in scenario creator 18:17:09 <IchGuckLive> ah yes 18:17:48 <Rubidium> thefiler: try to build it over existing houses 18:20:30 <thefiler> tried to open space and build over buildings ill give the error message now 18:23:32 <Rubidium> what version? 18:25:11 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:27:01 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21502 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: 18:27:01 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: -Change/Fix [FS#3991] (r150, r18402): before r18402 a train crash caused 2 18:27:01 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: "driver" deaths and a flooding 4 (added in r150). In r18402 the counting was 18:27:01 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: merged and the flooding code was taken for counting drivers. Given those numbers 18:27:01 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: were inconsistent (unlike for other vehicles) we better use the real original 18:27:03 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: amount of driver deaths instead of the erroneous amount. 18:28:04 <IchGuckLive> "driver" death cool 18:31:35 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:31:48 <andythenorth> Terkhen: I could draw an icon for 'select all' on a train I think 18:31:53 <andythenorth> but I don't think it's needed 18:31:54 *** chris [~chris@agsb-d9bdb6ef.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:31:58 <Terkhen> hmm... 18:32:03 <polymorphZ> hey 18:32:11 <andythenorth> should be same convention as depot view: ctrl-click 18:32:23 <Terkhen> it would be better to use something "generic", otherwise it might get in the way if that windows allows to deal with other vehicle types in the future 18:32:28 <andythenorth> thought I'd mention it :) 18:32:46 <Terkhen> the current version uses ctrl+click already, but many people think that an icon is also required 18:32:47 <andythenorth> I wouldn't bother personally...but if you find you're being talked into it, I can at least help make it suck less :P 18:32:55 <Terkhen> :) 18:33:01 <chris> hi there i set up a server on a ubuntu vmachine via apt-get but the version i installed is 1.0.4 how can i force to update the server to latest? 18:33:12 <Terkhen> in fact, that button is the only thing holding the patch right now 18:33:35 <andythenorth> Terkhen: I would be very afraid of any usability advice that starts 'think about newbies' 18:33:45 <andythenorth> my experience is it's normally very wrong 18:33:47 <Terkhen> chris: either you wait until your distribution updates the package or download it and install it yourself 18:33:50 <polymorphZ> hey-ho SmatZ 18:34:29 <chris> Terkhen is there an install tutorial or advices? im not the linux pro at all :D 18:34:38 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF82F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: <Nachricht>] 18:34:56 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I agree, it's the kind of thing everyone ignores when they get to know the keyboard shortcut 18:35:02 <Terkhen> but there's also the issue of not having a good place for the button 18:35:14 <andythenorth> if we thought of the newbies, everything would have big labels on it 18:35:28 <andythenorth> basically, thinking of the newbies is what produced microsoft paperclip 18:35:31 <Terkhen> chris: http://wiki.openttd.org/FAQ_installation#On_Linux: 18:35:45 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 18:35:48 *** Rubidium changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.0.5 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | Latest is not a valid version | English only 18:36:08 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I want to think that was just sadism... I can't think of anyone who would find that useful after 5 minutes 18:36:38 <Terkhen> chris: that wiki does not seem very complete anyways 18:36:39 *** thefiler [2987a392@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:36:43 <andythenorth> Terkhen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob 18:36:47 <chris> thx so far :9 18:36:51 <andythenorth> ^^ thinking of the newbies 18:37:11 <andythenorth> :P 18:37:24 <IchGuckLive> chris: the game is in the distro of ubuntu 18:37:33 <Terkhen> chris: the readme might be more helpful 18:37:48 <chris> IchGuckLive i know but its the 1.0.4 version 18:37:49 <Terkhen> http://www.openttd.org/en/download-stable <--- it should be included here 18:38:11 <IchGuckLive> ok chris 18:38:16 <chris> :) 18:38:18 <Terkhen> oooh, there are .deb for ubuntu there :) 18:38:27 <chris> yea i saw it 18:38:41 <chris> im an apt-slave :D 18:38:48 <Terkhen> nice, then that should be enough 18:39:28 <chris> well yea goin to read some how-to-install-packages-in-linus-shell :D 18:39:54 <IchGuckLive> Terkhen: are these updated to new relases only or if stabel builds some times 18:40:37 <IchGuckLive> chris: .deb just klick on them und apt will open 18:41:02 <chris> IchGuckLive klick in shell :) 18:41:02 <IchGuckLive> und=german and=eng ! 18:41:12 <Terkhen> andythenorth: that's scary :) 18:41:13 <chris> ja verstehe eh beides 18:41:22 <IchGuckLive> chris: no in filebrowser 18:41:35 <chris> no filebrowser for ssh based server ;) 18:41:44 <andythenorth> Terkhen: always think of the power users :P 18:42:00 <Terkhen> IchGuckLive: they are probably generated for all stable releases, as nightlies only have generic linux binaries, but I don't know much about this 18:42:12 <andythenorth> Power users are the ones who *hate* all the horrible little bad points because they have to deal with them a zillion times. 18:42:21 <glx> chris: no X server then 18:42:43 <Terkhen> power users could already use partial refit by doing those boring train changes 18:42:44 <IchGuckLive> Terkhen: Thanks 18:43:06 <chris> glx exactly 18:43:43 <chris> well but thx so far ill go on learning linux :D 18:43:53 <glx> so .deb won't install (it requires SDL and that one requires X IIRC) 18:44:09 <Terkhen> heh 18:45:43 <IchGuckLive> im on ubuntu 10.04 desktop i386 works for me 18:45:55 <andythenorth> Terkhen: power users hate that crap :) 18:45:55 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: translators * r21503 /trunk/src/lang/ (12 files): (log message trimmed) 18:45:55 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:55 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: belarusian - 8 changes by KorneySan 18:45:55 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 155 changes by Wold 18:45:55 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: croatian - 2 changes by VoyagerOne 18:45:57 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: dutch - 7 changes by habell 18:45:57 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: english_US - 4 changes by Rubidium 18:46:08 <Terkhen> :P 18:46:45 *** dageek [~dageek@87-194-2-213.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:46:56 <IchGuckLive> there are no changes to #German 18:47:48 <dih> i have never been in #German 18:48:40 <IchGuckLive> dih: thats a must to Do for You 18:48:40 <SmatZ> :D 18:48:48 <SmatZ> there actually are people in #german 18:48:57 <SmatZ> they must be confused now 18:49:05 <SmatZ> few people joined and left :p 18:49:09 <dih> LOL 18:49:16 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:49:16 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Quit: http://tinodidriksen.com/] 18:49:29 <IchGuckLive> dih Homestade ? 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I have created a scenario with some newgrfs applied, but I don't want them active anymore. how do I disable them in the scenario? 19:38:40 <Markk> Settings -> NewGRF Settings 19:40:13 <bremby> great, thanks :) 19:40:22 <bremby> I wasn't aware of that 19:40:36 <Markk> np :) 19:41:27 <Rubidium> caveat is that the removal of quite a few NewGRFs cause unwanted side effects, such as there not being any vehicles anymore 19:45:20 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC33A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:45:40 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-251-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:46:55 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-226-198.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:47:06 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4CA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:55:49 *** jpx [jpx_@a91-156-251-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:59:03 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-226-198.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:19 *** lugo [lugo@195.3.138.104] has joined #openttd 20:03:29 *** lasershock [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05:38 *** SystemParadox [~simon@proxima.systemparadox.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:56 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF82F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:10:17 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 20:12:14 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-0-179.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 20:16:01 *** Guest947 [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:40 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-67-166.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:16 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-226-198.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 20:22:17 *** lasershock [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 20:24:16 *** jpx [jpx_@a91-156-251-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:24:38 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 20:25:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-64-189.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:27:43 *** bremby [~root@eddy.kolej.mff.cuni.cz] has left #openttd [] 20:29:08 *** Joni_ [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 20:35:10 *** wilberforce [~wilberfor@contact.for.hatstand.info] has joined #openttd 20:35:22 *** wilberforce is now known as Wilberforce 20:41:06 *** tycoondemon [~thok@524B7349.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:30 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:44:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B0CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45:44 *** PulseNeon [~pulse.neo@78-40-197-182.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 20:47:28 <Wilberforce> Would anyone happen to have an idea on how big a download Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 Express is please? 20:48:05 <Wilberforce> I'm looking at compiling OTTD for myself for tinkering with, but I have a bandwidth allowance currently. 20:48:52 <Terkhen> I don't know the exact number, but about 500 or 600 MB 20:49:06 <Wilberforce> Ugh. 20:49:12 <Terkhen> in any case, big 20:49:12 <Wilberforce> Thanks though. 20:49:30 <Terkhen> if bandwidth is the problem it's better that you try mingw 20:50:10 <Wilberforce> Ahh, I'd not spotted that one on the wiki page for compiling. 20:50:44 <Terkhen> I don't know the exact size either, but it must definitely be lower 20:50:49 <Wilberforce> I assume that it's considerably less vast than the MS bits n bobs? 20:51:10 <Terkhen> about 100, 200 MB probably 20:51:14 <Terkhen> (at most) 20:51:38 <Wilberforce> A big improvement. 20:53:08 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:53:35 <Wilberforce> Amazing how you take for granted having a big fat pipe for internet access at home. By $deity though, you miss it when it's gone. 20:56:50 <Wilberforce> Anyhow, thanks for the tip on mingw. I'll have a play with it after work tomorrow. 20:57:48 <Terkhen> good luck, ask me if you have any problem with the tutorial 20:58:46 <Wilberforce> Thanks. I hope not, as the instructions look quite comprehensive, but one never knows. 21:03:08 *** ogre [~ogre@par69-2-82-224-40-212.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 21:06:59 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0e20.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:09:42 *** tycoondemon [~thok@524B7349.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:10:25 * Rubidium apologises to fonsinchen for breaking even more of his patches 21:12:16 *** ogre [~ogre@par69-2-82-224-40-212.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: ouais bah a plus ouais c'est ça] 21:19:11 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF82F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:24:16 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.63.147] has joined #openttd 21:24:26 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.63.147] has quit [] 21:33:44 * fonsinchen reads the SVN log 21:34:05 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 21:35:33 <fonsinchen> oh, you have implemented diagonal terraforming :) 21:36:15 <andythenorth> yay at diagonal terraforming :) 21:36:43 <ABCRic> :D 21:37:09 <Terkhen> :) 21:37:20 <andythenorth> boo at slow internet 21:37:32 <SmatZ> boo @ andythenorth 21:37:34 <SmatZ> :P 21:37:51 <andythenorth> can stations use cargo labels? 21:38:00 <andythenorth> I have never coded stations 21:38:29 <andythenorth> I wondered if they have a cargo translation table? 21:38:47 <andythenorth> it's not for me - I'm trying to save dante123 a load of work he might not need to do 21:40:55 <supermop> i wish i knew 21:42:36 <andythenorth> I can't see anything on TTDP wiki saying they do 21:42:42 <andythenorth> but I often seem to be wiki blind 21:42:53 <andythenorth> it would seem to be an unfinished design if they don'y 21:42:55 <andythenorth> don't 21:43:00 <andythenorth> frosch123: any idea ^^^ 21:43:15 <peter1138> cargos are translated during action3, if that's what you mean 21:43:26 <andythenorth> I'll look at doc for that 21:43:47 <andythenorth> I don't like the idea that station sets are tied to FIRS by hard coded cargo IDs 21:44:07 <andythenorth> "say it ain't so" 21:44:18 <peter1138> if someone's done that, they've done it wrong 21:44:26 <frosch123> andythenorth: the only think which does not care about cargo translation tables are cargo definitions themself and the default vehicle cargo property 21:44:33 <andythenorth> yay 21:44:35 <frosch123> s/think/things/ 21:44:41 <andythenorth> so the action 3 takes care of it 21:44:44 <andythenorth> I'll tell him 21:52:42 <frosch123> night 21:52:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff44b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52:51 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21504 /trunk/src/ (saveload/afterload.cpp train.h train_cmd.cpp vehicle_base.h): -Codechange: move the "lost" bit from the train's flags to vehicle flags 21:53:35 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21505 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Change: generalise the lost_train_warning setting to lost_vehicle_warning 21:53:44 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 21:54:06 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21506 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt table/settings.h train_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: rename the train/vehicle lost warning strings to be more generic 21:54:45 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21507 /trunk/src/lang/ (51 files in 2 dirs): -Update: the other translations 21:55:18 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21508 /trunk/src/ (train_cmd.cpp vehicle.cpp vehicle_base.h): -Codechange: move the code to handle the pathfinder's "path found" status to a separate function 21:56:12 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21509 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: rename the rail pathfinders "path_not_found" parameter to "path_found" and remove the ! where the variables are set / read 21:56:14 <dih> why does Rubidium have the most commits?? 21:56:48 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21510 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Feature [FS#1956]: vehicle lost message for road vehicles 21:56:54 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21511 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 4 dirs): -Feature: vehicle lost message for ships 21:57:40 <Rubidium> dih: because he sadly enough doesn't have a job just yet? 21:58:41 <dih> well... :-P 21:58:53 <dih> that could be a good thing too for a short period of time :-P 21:59:01 <ABCRic> he doesn't? 21:59:14 <ABCRic> he deserves one! 21:59:29 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:59:50 <andythenorth> no 21:59:53 <andythenorth> :D 22:00:10 <andythenorth> between minecrack and paid work, this game could lose all the exciting people :P 22:01:07 <dih> it's not good if he does not have a job for too long 22:01:18 <dih> but i doubt he'd not get one quickly 22:01:59 <dih> Rubidium, i hope you have OpenTTD on your CV ^^ 22:03:36 <Rubidium> yeah 22:03:59 <Rubidium> it's basically most of my "working experience" 22:04:06 <dih> hehe 22:25:37 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:29:13 <andythenorth> :o 22:29:19 * andythenorth just made post 2k on the forums 22:29:30 <andythenorth> shame FIRS isn't r2k :P 22:32:33 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFDB74.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:20 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 22:34:44 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@244.69.166.178.rev.vodafone.pt] has left #openttd [] 22:35:43 <andythenorth> bed time 22:35:43 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 22:41:12 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFDB74.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:41:19 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 22:42:26 <DanMacK> Hey all 22:42:47 *** Chrill [~Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:44:22 <Terkhen> hi DanMacK 22:44:48 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-213-220-225-182.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:22 <Terkhen> good night 22:46:39 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e06da26.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:47:18 * dih says good night too 22:47:20 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@89.240.157.119] has quit [Quit: +++ OK ATH OK] 22:47:20 <dih> good night ^^ 22:47:59 <Rubidium> night dih 22:48:10 <dih> :-) 22:52:21 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.19.175] has joined #openttd 22:54:33 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF82F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:00:45 *** Chrill [~Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 23:00:47 <Lakie> Rubidium: I noticed mb altered the callbacks page so that cb15C uses cb38's text. 23:01:15 <Lakie> Does it actually follow that action on copying registers, as I'd have to redesign my cache system if it dowa 23:01:17 <Lakie> does* 23:11:23 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11:47 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:12:42 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0e20.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:00 *** dih [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 23:18:15 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd 23:19:54 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 23:19:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6A4A3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:26:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6B931.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:27:01 <Yexo> Lakie: yes, after cb 15C registers 100.105 are copied to the newgrf text stack 23:27:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B0CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:27:28 <Lakie> 'sigh' 23:27:38 <Lakie> Tad of an incovience. 23:28:02 <Yexo> openttd calls the callback every time that it needs to redraw the string 23:28:20 <Lakie> Aye, but if the length isn't the same, one needs to do a 'double' draw 23:29:03 <Yexo> true 23:29:28 <Yexo> but that can happen regardless of whether values from the registers are copied to the text stack 23:29:44 <Lakie> Thats true 23:29:59 <Lakie> Currently I just cache it from object selection, but I could easily move it 23:31:26 <Rubidium> is caching it really necessary? 23:31:37 <Rubidium> it's at most 1 callback every 27ms 23:31:46 <Lakie> Considering how rare redraws are, probably not 23:33:14 <Lakie> Well, it's one clalback and possible 4 action2 chain traversals, but its not a huge amount 23:42:29 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-173-240.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 23:46:30 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 23:49:14 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:50:16 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd