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00:02:20 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:02:50 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 00:03:56 <ccfreak2k> Eddi|zuHause, a bit late but: 00:03:57 <ccfreak2k> <AforAnonymous> "sich erschrecken" is actually not really correct but commonly used, it should be expanded to "sich selbst erschrecken" or "sich selbst erschrocken haben", depending on tense 00:05:43 <ccfreak2k> <AforAnonymous> normally you say "Ich habe mich erschrocken" 00:05:44 <ccfreak2k> <AforAnonymous> to describe that you got frightened/shocked for a moment 00:06:30 <ccfreak2k> <AforAnonymous> well 00:06:30 <ccfreak2k> <AforAnonymous> actually 00:06:30 <ccfreak2k> <AforAnonymous> that's also not quite correct 00:08:57 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:09:23 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 00:11:10 <Eddi|zuHause> ccfreak2k: that may all be true, but it has nothing to do with the question. 00:11:36 <ccfreak2k> Yeah he realized that. 00:12:17 *** xand [xand@kronos.xand.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:20 *** xand [xand@kronos.xand.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:12:57 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-213-220-225-182.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:19:48 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 00:19:54 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:33:18 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:36:24 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-75-247.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:41:28 *** Markavian [~Markavian@188.158-26-211.dynamic.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:43:56 *** Markavian [~Markavian@188.158-26-211.dynamic.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:51:42 *** KouDy [~KouDy@113.210.203.7] has joined 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[~retro@125.151.broadband3.iol.cz] has left #openttd [] 01:21:56 <Wolf01> 'night 01:22:03 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host103-157-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 01:23:22 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 01:25:58 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.197.32] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 01:31:32 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@113.210.180.230] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:33:02 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75E15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:33:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75E15.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:39:50 *** retro [~retro@125.151.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 01:44:40 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d82239c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:47:55 *** retro [~retro@125.151.broadband3.iol.cz] has left #openttd [] 02:06:17 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:10:01 *** 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known bug that new railtypes wont show up with the option "show building tools when no suitable vehicles are available" turned on? 03:40:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75E15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:40:09 *** Eddi|zuHause4 [~johekr@p54B75E15.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:48:58 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 04:09:02 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:10:53 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:e871:6436:dfed:2f80] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:15:42 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75E15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:15:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75E15.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:52:42 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 05:42:41 *** Chris_D [d5b91c7a@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:51:21 <Chris_D> When you start a new game, how much should one care about subsidies? I've noticed that subsidies are usually onlly for resources that are relativley close to each other but the general "Pro-Tip" from wikis and guids are that the longer the haul of cargo the more â¬â¬â¬ you get. This leavs me confused, why bother with subsidies then? 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75E15.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:18 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:24:28 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.62.161] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:44:42 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-199-139-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:32 <ccfreak2k> Because you get more money than you would if they weren't subsidized. 06:53:00 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21641 /trunk/src/gfx.cpp: -Fix (r21639): ofcourse MSVC wants to have something to warn about 06:57:05 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:57:32 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:41:24 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:41:34 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:38:55 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 08:42:51 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:42:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 08:47:44 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:48:33 <Terkhen> good morning 08:49:41 *** Markavian [~Markavian@188.158-26-211.dynamic.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:58:03 *** Markavian [~Markavian@188.158-26-211.dynamic.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:59:24 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 08:59:37 <IchGuckLive> Good morning to all of you 09:00:09 <IchGuckLive> Can i see the tile influence of a city , to build trees for better mood 09:01:30 <Alberth> tile influence? what is that? 09:01:43 *** Tennel [~Tennel@p3EE34FA6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:01:56 <IchGuckLive> tile's controled by the city goverment 09:03:02 <IchGuckLive> "xou cant build here city does not allow it " so there has to be a Border between the citys ,can i see this ? 09:03:09 *** Tennel [~Tennel@p3EE34FA6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 09:03:23 <Alberth> I was checking :) 09:03:23 <Eddi|zuHause> IchGuckLive: use the ? tool, it says "local authority: XYZ" 09:03:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21642 /trunk/src/ (10 files in 2 dirs): 09:03:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Feature: concept of automatic station orders; add stub orders for intermediate 09:03:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: stations and remove them when not visiting them anymore. This allows you to see 09:03:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: what trains visit a station without actually having to order a vehicle to stop 09:03:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: at all stations. Based on patch by fonsinchen 09:04:02 *** Tennel [~Tennel@p3EE34FA6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:04:21 <Eddi|zuHause> \o/ 09:04:51 <IchGuckLive> thanks Eddi|zuHause 09:05:25 <IchGuckLive> this is nice feture so you can find trains that are wobbelingf around the map 09:05:37 <Rubidium> breaking fonsinchen's patch once more... 09:06:41 <IchGuckLive> is there a date when a new relese 1.0.6 is released or eben 1.1.0 09:06:54 <IchGuckLive> offical ones 09:07:24 <IchGuckLive> with debian packeges -> ubuntu 09:08:21 <IchGuckLive> with all this automatics includet it even can be named to 2.0 09:09:18 <IchGuckLive> ok meal is ready got to go By till later 09:09:24 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100423140709]] 09:26:29 <Alberth> oh noes, my bug got fixed! :p 09:29:26 *** Markavian [~Markavian@188.158-26-211.dynamic.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:31:41 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:34:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B85E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:41:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:49:04 *** Markavian [~Markavian@188.158-26-211.dynamic.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:49:58 <Zuu> Alberth: Yea, that's terrible :-) 09:53:46 *** snorre [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 09:54:55 <Mazur> It's a bugslife/ 09:55:01 <Mazur> It's a bugs life. 10:02:13 *** ctibor|spi [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 10:04:52 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-28-125.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:07:19 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:10:53 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-35-157.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:28:42 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 10:56:34 <SpComb> curiouser and curioser 11:03:29 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:10:30 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 11:14:58 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ce90a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:20:18 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-75-247.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:22:00 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: https://github.com/fonsinchen/openttd-cargodist/blob/cd/src/station_cmd.cpp#L3049 <- MSVC 64 bits complains about that. I reckon that MapSize() returns a size_t (= long) and when casting that to uint (= int) that means that it's implicitly truncating (which is what MSVC warns about) 11:23:19 *** Brianett1 [~brian@78-105-191-76.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 11:24:27 <fonsinchen> I should probably cast it explicitly then. There can't be that many stations, so the number of destinations is limited. 11:25:35 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@a91-156-226-198.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:32:25 *** Chris_D [d5b91c7a@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:32:26 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:32:55 <ZirconiumX> Hello? 11:34:03 <Terkhen> hi 11:34:18 <ZirconiumX> hello Terkhen, how are you? 11:35:04 <Terkhen> fine, I guess 11:35:11 <Terkhen> you? 11:35:36 <ZirconiumX> Listening to tunes on my iPod Shuffle I got for christmas, but fine 11:38:35 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.197.32] has joined #openttd 11:39:00 *** Tennel [~Tennel@p3EE34FA6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 11:39:01 <fonsinchen> oh, you've committed auto-orders. Nice 11:40:23 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:40:25 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Quit: Quit] 11:45:41 <ZirconiumX> What's everyone currently doing? 11:46:05 <ZirconiumX> Probably quite a lot 11:50:59 <KenjiE20> or as little as possible 11:51:47 <ZirconiumX> Heh, I'm just randomly browsing the forums, so I don't blame you... 11:54:42 <KenjiE20> new Doctor Who game installed 11:54:47 * KenjiE20 vanishes 11:54:50 <ZirconiumX> heh 11:58:57 *** frappa [~frappa@HSI-KBW-078-042-242-252.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 12:01:17 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:01:35 <frappa> hi 12:01:53 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 12:02:20 <frappa> I am having problems with OpenTTD. The game is hanging at autosave. 12:03:22 <frappa> I am using version 1.0.4 on a Mac. 12:03:43 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.58.174] has quit [Quit: IRC is just multiplayer notepad] 12:06:57 <Alberth> 1.0.4 at a Mac? that sounds like a non-official build 12:08:11 <Alberth> perhaps you should try to re-create the problem on 1.1.0 beta1 (which does exists for Mac as official build) 12:08:37 <Alberth> also, hanging, how? 12:18:39 <frappa> CT-magazine was distributing this version 12:20:33 <frappa> Hanging: do you know the "beachball"on a Mac? It is turnung eternally. 12:21:11 <frappa> And in the menu-bar: application not responding 12:21:30 <Alberth> sure, but does it use CPU, does it do disk activity? 12:22:03 <Alberth> afaik we did not provide that binary, no idea where they got that program from 12:22:44 <frappa> No disk-activity 12:23:30 <frappa> You would adivize installing an other version? 12:24:13 * Rubidium advices to install the latest and greatest Mac OS X 10.3 12:24:20 <Alberth> I'd try 1.1.0 beta 1. It is the newest version, we take bug reports on it 12:24:31 <frappa> BTW - the problem only occurs when I am playing with downloaded AIs. 12:24:44 <Alberth> ah 12:24:56 <Rubidium> that one broken AI I presume :) 12:25:12 <Alberth> there are a few that have eat CPU time for breakfast 12:25:42 <frappa> I tried different ones, it happens with a lot of them 12:25:57 <frappa> Are there so many broken AIs? 12:26:33 <Rubidium> frappa: you're using RoadRunner AI I presume 12:26:48 <frappa> Yes indeed 12:26:49 <Alberth> AIs cost CPU time, so a lot, especially with bigger maps, and if you have several running 12:27:01 <Rubidium> Alberth: but AIs shouldn't hang OpenTTD completely 12:27:03 <frappa> and Ronje om de kerk 12:27:15 <frappa> rondje (sorry) 12:27:29 <Rubidium> except (as far as I am aware) RoadRunner AI in pre 1.1.0 OpenTTD 12:27:33 <Alberth> don't know how fast an Apple is, now very fast I bet 12:27:39 <Alberth> s/now/not/ 12:27:45 <frappa> Maybe I never waited long enough? 12:28:06 <Rubidium> Alberth: no hardware is fast enough for an infinite loop 12:28:15 <frappa> but after 5 min or so - I decided to quit ;-) 12:30:14 <Alberth> Rubidium: true 12:30:59 <frappa> Then I will try without "RoadRunner" and if that does not help anstall the other version. 12:31:09 <frappa> THX for the help 12:31:40 <frappa> install 12:37:50 <fonsinchen> rondje does all kinds of evil things, too. 12:38:03 <fonsinchen> that's basically its design. 12:38:58 <fonsinchen> Even if it's not responsible for your problem I wouldn't play with it. 12:41:12 <frappa> IC 12:41:50 <frappa> Is there a list of "trustworthy" AIs? 12:44:21 <frappa> and can I get rid of an AI in a saved game? 12:45:17 <frappa> what really sucks is that my saved games ar unusuable because of the hanging. 12:45:21 *** andythenorth [~andy@host86-170-254-62.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:45:29 <andythenorth> morningz 12:45:34 <andythenorth> or afternoonz evens 12:47:00 *** frappa [~frappa@HSI-KBW-078-042-242-252.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 12:47:14 <andythenorth> did santa bring any ponies? 12:47:16 *** frappa [~frappa@HSI-KBW-078-042-242-252.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 12:49:46 <Alberth> lower the number of AIs, then use 'stop_ai <company number>' iirc 12:50:14 *** frappa [~frappa@HSI-KBW-078-042-242-252.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [] 12:50:30 *** frappa [~frappa@HSI-KBW-078-042-242-252.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 12:53:48 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 12:55:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21643 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix (r21642): crash when a train with no orders (or actually no order list) stops at a station 12:57:25 <Alberth> hmm, what use are fast train engines if the wagons are the limiting factor? 12:58:01 <Rubidium> they are of no or little use for those wagons 12:58:34 <Rubidium> which means that the engines are developped/meant for express stuff and not transporting cattle 13:03:34 <Alberth> ah, indeed. 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16:07:25 <nicfer> as it's said 16:14:40 <lugo> help us in finding that out :P , i didn't get it to crash yet 16:18:11 <Eddi|zuHause> you can't properly play multiplayer because of the version string 16:18:24 <Eddi|zuHause> no other urgent bugs that i know of 16:21:55 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ce90a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:22:05 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ce90a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:25:24 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:25:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:59 *** KouDy [~KouDy@118.101.155.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:29:23 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 16:39:25 *** KouDy [~KouDy@118.101.155.24] has joined #openttd 17:47:08 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC41E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:47:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21645 /trunk/src/core/smallmap_type.hpp: -Doc: Document SmallPair and SmallMap template parameters. 17:48:00 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:49:07 <ZirconiumX> Hello, anybody? 17:53:07 *** andythenorth [~andy@host86-170-254-62.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:53:14 <ZirconiumX> Alberth, or someone? 17:53:28 <Alberth> I am not here :) 17:53:34 <ZirconiumX> hello 17:53:55 <Alberth> hai 17:54:03 <ZirconiumX> If number of errors equals stupidity, than 17:54:13 <ZirconiumX> *puts on dunce hat* 17:54:34 <ZirconiumX> I have an error on the supersimpleAI 17:54:57 <ZirconiumX> but to solve that, I need to ask you a question 17:55:27 <Alberth> you know that in IRC, it is normal just to dump any question on the channel? 17:55:40 <ZirconiumX> For a start, do you put tile index (tiletoplace) in the prams 17:55:44 <Alberth> no need to find a person alive, or announce that you are going to ask a question. 17:55:47 <ZirconiumX> *params 17:56:21 <Alberth> what function? do you have code in a pastebin somewhere? 17:56:23 <ZirconiumX> I'm just a bit cautious, because someone went and leeched my computer while I was on IRC 17:56:41 <ZirconiumX> http://mibpaste.com/bYHVxa 17:56:42 <Markk> As the main rule in this kind of channels: Don't ask about asking, just ask. :) 17:56:56 <ZirconiumX> that is my current main.nut 17:57:01 <Alberth> at worst you don't get an answer :) 17:57:35 <ZirconiumX> do I put 17:57:44 <Alberth> inclusive the messed-up layout? 17:58:35 <ZirconiumX> http://mibpaste.com/iKGtbS 17:58:45 <ZirconiumX> that or keep as is 17:58:56 <ZirconiumX> sorry, I'm not 'tidy' 17:59:58 <ZirconiumX> also, do the tile have to be in Hex 18:00:03 <ZirconiumX> with brackets 18:00:21 <ZirconiumX> Inclusive the messed up layout 18:00:37 <Alberth> perhaps mibpaste is very broken (it seems that way) 18:00:52 <ZirconiumX> why? 18:01:11 <Alberth> everything is flushed to the left here 18:01:28 <ZirconiumX> http://mibpaste.com/eHrgRM 18:01:51 <ZirconiumX> we read left to right, so yes that is correct 18:01:52 <Eddi|zuHause> use a real pastebin that uses monospace fonts... 18:02:41 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/AI:TestAI has lots of curly brackets 18:02:50 <ZirconiumX> OK 18:03:11 <Alberth> http://www.fpaste.org/ <-- the fedora linux pastebin, perhaps that one works better? 18:03:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@host86-170-254-62.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:03:24 <ZirconiumX> http://mibpaste.com/f8vFn0 18:04:01 <Alberth> what are you doing? 18:04:18 <ZirconiumX> just looked, mibpaste is totally ****** up 18:04:39 <Alberth> yep, I agree on that :) 18:04:42 <ZirconiumX> an ai to build a road from (30,15), to (30,30) 18:04:51 <ZirconiumX> HUGE spaces 18:05:31 <ZirconiumX> Alberth, what is the format for tile locations? 18:05:56 * Alberth looks for the NoAI docs 18:06:18 <ZirconiumX> the 0xB1A5B1A5, or (30,15) 18:06:31 <ZirconiumX> I have the Doxygen in a window 18:07:03 <ZirconiumX> next time you see the person who does this, ask them to implement a search function 18:07:17 <ZirconiumX> AFAIK it doesn't say 18:08:14 <glx> use AIMap::GetTileIndex() 18:08:50 *** andythenorth [~andy@host86-170-254-62.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:08:59 <ZirconiumX> Do I put that in value 'start' and then use that value to get the road built 18:09:23 <Alberth> glx: thanks 18:09:58 <Alberth> indeed TileIndex AIMap::GetTileIndex (uint32 x, uint32 y) constructs a TileIndex from a pair of (x, y) 18:09:59 <ZirconiumX> *ahem* Do I put that in value 'start' and then use that value to get the road built 18:10:13 <glx> AIRoad::BuildRoadFull() requires TileIndex, so give it TileIndex :) 18:11:09 <Alberth> wow, a single function to build a piece of road :) 18:11:36 <ZirconiumX> meh, you know it says that squirrel is like C 18:11:44 <ZirconiumX> my dad says it's pascal 18:12:41 <Alberth> it needs a start TileIndex, and an end TileIndex, so start = AIMap::GetTileIndex(30, 15); end = AIMap::GetTileIndex(30, 30); AIRoad::BuildRoadFull(start, end); 18:13:06 <Alberth> then your dad has forgotten that pascal uses BEGIN ... END instead of { and } :) 18:13:30 <Alberth> also, squirrel is object-oriented, and that was invented after Pascal :) 18:13:50 <glx> AIRoad::BuildRoadFull(AIMap::GetTileIndex(30, 15), AIMap::GetTileIndex(30, 30)); works too 18:14:55 *** andythenorth [~andy@host86-170-254-62.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:15:06 <Alberth> glx: do you happen to know the tile highlighting code? 18:16:04 <Alberth> in particular, useful better ways to refactor it to? 18:16:41 <ZirconiumX> *prepares to give alberth, and glx a big hug* 18:17:04 <glx> Alberth: no, sorry 18:17:20 *** fjb is now known as Guest2358 18:17:21 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFF2A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:17:24 <ZirconiumX> *grrrr 18:17:44 <Alberth> glx: nobody seems to know that part :p 18:18:50 <ZirconiumX> http://www.fpaste.org/dvg0/ 18:18:55 <ZirconiumX> is my main.nut 18:19:43 <Alberth> it needs curly brackets, and a function to call 18:20:02 <Alberth> also each statement needs a ; at the end, it is not Python :p 18:20:43 <ZirconiumX> Well, I can use UNIX 18:20:55 <Alberth> look at some other ai, for example the test-ai I posted a link to. 18:21:05 <Alberth> you have to stick to that syntax 18:22:08 *** KouDy [~KouDy@118.101.155.24] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:23:23 <ZirconiumX> BRB, need to update API 18:23:48 <ZirconiumX> 0.7 API isn't user-friendly 18:24:19 *** Guest2358 [~frank@p5DDFCC68.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:14 <ZirconiumX> http://www.fpaste.org/Hb6L/ 18:26:37 <ZirconiumX> is the new main.nut, that's *still* causing problems 18:26:46 <ZirconiumX> 3/7 18:26:51 <ZirconiumX> is the problem 18:27:13 <ZirconiumX> a bracket-related problem 18:27:27 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:28:19 <ZirconiumX> the only solution I find in my mind breaks all barriers 18:28:25 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:29:02 <ZirconiumX> AIRoad()::BuildRoadFull 18:29:25 <ZirconiumX> which won't get anywhere, will it Alberth? 18:30:40 <ZirconiumX> Ahem 18:31:45 <ZirconiumX> dead topic, shucks 18:32:47 <glx> parenthesis for function calls 18:33:20 <ZirconiumX> they have them 18:33:49 <glx> no I see only curly in your paste 18:34:36 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:57 <glx> and you don't define Start() function 18:35:33 <Alberth> perhaps use a saner font in your browser and/or editor? 18:35:36 <ZirconiumX> Is there a way to terminate the AI from inside? 18:35:58 <Alberth> programming is very hard if you don't see the difference between { and ( 18:36:00 <glx> yes just return from Start() 18:36:25 <glx> http://wiki.openttd.org/AI:TestAI <-- use this as basis 18:36:26 <ZirconiumX> *tell that to the guys wh made that font for the AI debug 18:36:41 <glx> it uses the font you selected :) 18:37:28 <Alberth> also, AI debug only shows code, it does not allow you to enter code there, you have an editor for that, which no doubt has font settings 18:38:17 <ZirconiumX> so what your saying is if it shows a bracket-type one switch until it is happy? 18:39:02 <Alberth> trial and error is one way, a faster way is to look at the example, and do what happens there 18:40:51 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 18:42:23 <glx> http://wiki.openttd.org/AI:Main_Page <-- I think it's better to read all these pages in the right order :) 18:45:40 <ZirconiumX> Just a quick note, is GetAPIVersion() the correct one to call, and should it be 1.0 or "1.0" 18:45:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r21646 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files): (log message trimmed) 18:45:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 2 changes by VoyagerOne 18:45:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: english_US - 2 changes by Rubidium 18:45:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 2 changes by jpx_ 18:45:50 <ZirconiumX> because that is breaking the code 18:45:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: greek - 91 changes by fumantsu 18:45:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: hungarian - 2 changes by IPG 18:47:02 <Alberth> look in to NoAI docs, check whether it expects a string or a number. 18:47:37 <Alberth> I don't know such things either, I never seriously programmed an AI 18:48:05 <Alberth> http://www.fpaste.org/K25e/ <-- correct curly brackets and parentheses, but no doubt stuff is missing. 18:48:53 <Zuu> API doc for AIInfo::GetAPIVersion: http://noai.openttd.org/api/1.0.5/classAIInfo.html#c74d9e82c323a0bdcb212d6779a59668 18:49:46 <Zuu> ZirconiumX: before the AIInfo::GetAPIVersion on that page you see that AIs should return a string. 18:50:02 <glx> string AIInfo::GetAPIVersion ( ) <-- it's clear :) 18:50:05 <ZirconiumX> so in "" 18:50:23 <Zuu> So in "" yes 18:50:41 <Zuu> Also see the notes for the function in the API docs regarding on what to include in the API version. 18:50:49 <ZirconiumX> good to have someone like you around 18:52:26 <Zuu> thanks, but even if I've been writing quite a bit OpenTTD AI code, I still have to look up details like this in the API docs. 18:53:27 <ZirconiumX> http://www.fpaste.org/aWLO/ 18:53:35 <ZirconiumX> is now current main.nut 18:53:38 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:39 <Zuu> looks good. your Save stub should return an empty table in order to fullfill the mininmum requirements of a Save function. 18:55:05 <ZirconiumX> meh, console may be broken 18:55:21 <ZirconiumX> 10/12 end of statement 18:55:24 <ZirconiumX> error 18:55:42 <glx> parenthesis 18:55:47 <glx> you used curly 18:55:49 <Zuu> Oh, you've used {} brackets instead of () brackets. 18:56:05 <glx> same for line 12 and 13 18:57:14 <Alberth> Zuu: () are called parentheses, instead of brackets 18:57:17 <ZirconiumX> http://www.fpaste.org/WzIZ/ 18:57:30 <ZirconiumX> is now current main.nut 18:57:39 <ZirconiumX> rINFINITY 18:57:44 <Zuu> Alberth: Oh, though they were all bracktes of different styles. 18:58:20 <Alberth> that holds indeed for the other brackets, just not for ( and ) 18:58:54 *** frappa [~frappa@HSI-KBW-078-042-242-252.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 18:59:08 <ZirconiumX> still spitting out it's dummy 18:59:20 <Zuu> Swedish use the equivivalent of parantheses for both () and []. {} are called bird wings :-) 18:59:36 <ZirconiumX> 10/12 end of statement expected 18:59:36 <glx> Save() is wrong I think 19:00:28 <ZirconiumX> it's in the AIRoad::S()etCurrentRoadType 19:00:43 <Zuu> IIRC to return an empty table this code: "return {};" can be used. 19:01:00 <glx> oh it's . not :: :) 19:01:54 <Alberth> Zuu: nice name, much better than 'curly bracket' :) 19:02:41 <Eddi|zuHause> why can not all people be pragmatic like the germans, and call objects by what they really are? "runde klammern", "eckige klammern" and "geschweifte klammern"? 19:02:50 <glx> function calls use ".", function declarations use "::" 19:03:24 <Zuu> eg AIRoad.SetCurrentRoadType(AIRoad.ROADTYPE_ROAD) 19:03:42 <Zuu> You also miss "AIRoad." before ROADTYPE_ROAD 19:04:17 <ZirconiumX> http://www.fpaste.org/wedM/ 19:05:00 <ZirconiumX> Shall we have a joke, it's not racist (IMO) 19:05:02 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: heftklammen :) 19:05:10 *** frappa [~frappa@HSI-KBW-078-042-242-252.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 19:05:14 <ZirconiumX> Imagine you're Hitler ok 19:05:21 <ZirconiumX> Knock Knock 19:05:29 *** frappa [~frappa@HSI-KBW-078-042-242-252.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 19:05:29 <ZirconiumX> Who's there? 19:05:41 <ZirconiumX> Eye Maj 19:05:49 <ZirconiumX> Eye Maj Who 19:06:06 <ZirconiumX> Hitler wasn't very happy after that 19:06:14 <ZirconiumX> (I'm a Jew) 19:06:18 <Eddi|zuHause> "knock knock" jokes are completely unknown in germany. 19:06:45 <ZirconiumX> 29/2 expression expected 19:07:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and they kinda lose their point if you don't know the sound of the words... 19:07:05 <ZirconiumX> ok.... 19:07:38 <ZirconiumX> { is that line 19:07:44 <ZirconiumX> soooo close 19:07:54 <ZirconiumX> delete that line? 19:08:17 <ZirconiumX> sorry 19:08:19 <ZirconiumX> } 19:08:23 <Eddi|zuHause> so... what actually WAS the joke? 19:09:00 <ZirconiumX> Hitler hated jew's, so calling the Fuhrer a Jew doesn't make him happy 19:09:52 *** LordAro [56a754a1@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:10:02 <ZirconiumX> Mr. Aro! 19:10:05 <LordAro> moin :) 19:10:06 <Eddi|zuHause> ZirconiumX: having more } than { will certainly not work 19:10:23 <ZirconiumX> nope, evening 19:10:36 <LordAro> i've been following your conversation (on the logs) 19:10:44 <LordAro> it makes interesting reading ;) 19:10:48 <Alberth> we need your help! 19:10:52 <Eddi|zuHause> "moin" does NOT stand for "morning" 19:11:05 <ZirconiumX> I have multiple Identities, one of which is OTTDmaster 19:11:35 <LordAro> yes, the AI known as Gamma gives it away really ;) 19:11:48 <LordAro> Alberth: me? what with? 19:12:01 <ZirconiumX> heh. ONE LINE from freedom 19:12:35 <ZirconiumX> nope, not one line 19:12:39 <Alberth> your knowledge of AIs and Squirrel of course 19:12:40 <ZirconiumX> one million 19:13:04 <ZirconiumX> UGH 19:13:14 <ZirconiumX> how do you define an index 19:13:24 <Eddi|zuHause> your skills of handling a kid who thinks he can tell phonetic jokes over IRC? 19:13:25 <ZirconiumX> in SQ 19:14:29 <LordAro> index? a tileIndex? 19:14:34 <ZirconiumX> nope 19:15:30 <Zuu> good LordAro is here with his Squirrel expertise so I can retire to my C++ programming. :-) 19:15:44 <ZirconiumX> http://www.fpaste.org/wMwp/ 19:16:01 <ZirconiumX> the // ones are the indexes in question 19:16:19 <ZirconiumX> the Tile index has been sorted 19:17:23 * fjb wonders why american kids are thinking Hitler is funny. 19:17:42 <ZirconiumX> iI'm not american 19:18:28 <LordAro> Zuu: you are far more experienced than me - see one of my first posts! --> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=44717 19:21:08 <fjb> Oh, British. 19:21:14 * fjb wonders even more. 19:21:31 <Rubidium> fjb: don't mention the war! 19:21:38 <Zuu> Yea, but that post is a year old, so now you can entitle yourself an experienced AI programmer. :-) 19:22:06 * fjb hates war. 19:22:28 <LordAro> ZirconiumX: use "local" before the variable 19:23:00 <LordAro> (no, it didn't take me that long to work it out, i was just trying to find something on the wiki about it ;) ) 19:23:44 <ZirconiumX> MORE errors *feels small* 19:23:57 <ZirconiumX> D: 19:25:03 <LordAro> well come on then, stop complaining about the fact that you've got errors, and just say what they are ;) 19:25:09 <ZirconiumX> local.start requires IDENTIfier 19:25:32 <Zuu> should be "local start" 19:25:46 <LordAro> Zuu got there first :) 19:25:54 <Ammler> fjb: you should be able to make fun about everyone 19:25:56 <Zuu> Eg "local start = 0" 19:26:01 <Zuu> ; 19:26:29 <ZirconiumX> :D 19:26:32 <ZirconiumX> done 19:26:40 <Ammler> (or else don't do it at all) 19:26:48 <ZirconiumX> it's only took three hours 19:27:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21647 /trunk/src/lang/greek.txt: -Fix: failure of WT3 to properly validate some string... 19:27:51 <LordAro> Rubidium: what is wrong with WT3? it keeps doing that... (as i'm sure you've noticed :D) 19:27:52 <fjb> Ammler: Being able to make ist is one think. But I still wonder why some people finde a totally unfunny person funny. 19:28:12 <Ammler> Rubidium: maybe you should comment the issue about MP and beta1 on the news or link to forums 19:29:22 <ZirconiumX> I'm going to move onto a curve *cue dramatic music* 19:29:26 <Ammler> fjb: I assume, it is satire, isn't? 19:30:03 <ZirconiumX> I renounce that joke, it was one I found on the TT-Forums, don't blame me 19:30:12 <Rubidium> LordAro: it's validation of strings isn't 100% correct, i.e. it allows more than is actually allowed 19:30:16 <fjb> Ammler: It didn't sound like satire, more like an unreflected kids joke. 19:31:51 <Ammler> ah, the hitler joke was here, I didn't get that :-) 19:32:19 <Alberth> quite likely, nobody did 19:32:20 <ZirconiumX> Sorry 19:32:49 <ZirconiumX> I didn't mean to offend anybody 19:33:03 <fjb> Ammler: You didn't really miss anything. 19:33:08 <Rubidium> Ammler: yeah, guess we should. Don't have time for that anymore though in the next few hours. Maybe planetmaker has some time? 19:33:42 <Ammler> I guess, he isn't around... 19:39:43 <ZirconiumX> I've cheated, but I made a rectangle using Gamma 19:39:47 <ZirconiumX> :) 19:40:03 <LordAro> well done :) 19:40:21 <Alberth> in just a little over 3 hours 19:40:30 <ZirconiumX> I'll send you the main.nut and info.nut if you wish 19:41:18 <Alberth> not needed, I am sure I can figure it out when I want to build road 19:41:23 <ZirconiumX> I've cheated in that the corner's been made by the roads overlapping, but anyway 19:41:45 <Alberth> check the BuildRoad function 19:41:50 <ZirconiumX> I was thinking about Mr. Aro. 19:42:01 <Alberth> oh, sorry 19:42:17 <ZirconiumX> I know, but I need to rest my head, and make a note 19:42:48 <LordAro> # 2010-12-04 18:21:45 <@Alberth> http://www2.research.att.com/~bs/3rd.html <--- I got it for christmas :D 19:43:05 <Alberth> ah, reading material! 19:43:15 <Alberth> do you like it? 19:43:31 <LordAro> :D yep! about 30 pages in so far :) :) 19:43:35 <LordAro> lol 19:44:10 <LordAro> certainly better than anything i've come across online 19:44:23 <Alberth> ah, I mostly skipped the introduction chapters :) 19:44:43 <Alberth> LordAro: you get the quality you pay for :) 19:44:54 <ZirconiumX> My reading material was mainly in the form of AIRoad::BuildRoadFull(AIMap::GetTileIndex(30, 15), AIMap::GetTileIndex(30, 30)); 19:45:01 <ZirconiumX> sorry 19:45:11 <ZirconiumX> http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Aerospatiale%2FBAC+Concorde%3A+Haynes+Owners%27+Workshop+Manual.-a0244160475 19:45:20 <ZirconiumX> the concorde haynes manual 19:45:26 <ZirconiumX> As you do 19:45:54 <LordAro> Alberth: thats funny, because it says you should read the beginning again, even if you skip it to start with ;) 19:46:29 <ZirconiumX> Oh, and the nearest I've got to C is csh 19:46:37 <Alberth> I support that advice fully, I just don't always follow it ;) 19:46:44 <LordAro> :) 19:46:46 <ZirconiumX> UNIX for dummies in the local library! 19:46:59 <ZirconiumX> :) 19:47:07 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 19:47:14 <ZirconiumX> Hello 19:47:22 <LordAro> ZirconiumX: actually, the closest you've probably got to C[++] is probbaly squirrel ;) 19:47:38 <LordAro> evenin' TrueBrain 19:48:07 <ZirconiumX> *hates the fact that the good Lord is correct* 19:48:31 * LordAro wonders if anyone (like Yexo, wink, wink) has had a look at ATTDebug - http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=51612 19:48:50 <ZirconiumX> Love to, but can't 19:48:54 <ZirconiumX> MAc 19:49:06 <Alberth> LordAro: In the days that I bought the book, I was programming C++ daily :) 19:49:40 <LordAro> i guess it was probably ok for you to skip certain bit then :) 19:50:07 <LordAro> ZirconiumX: what stops you? 19:51:39 <ZirconiumX> It's a goddamn patch 19:51:44 <ZirconiumX> is what 19:52:05 <ZirconiumX> It takes an hour to compile, and 19:52:29 <ZirconiumX> as planetmaker knows it's not always straightforward 19:53:06 <LordAro> an hour?! how old is your pc? or are macs like that anyway? 19:53:41 <ZirconiumX> a good 8/9 years, 1Ghz, that's all 19:54:23 <Alberth> good night 19:54:32 <ZirconiumX> new macs are 3.2Ghz 19:54:38 <ZirconiumX> night night 19:55:30 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:58:17 <LordAro> even my _ancient_ 450MHz can compile in under 30mins (that said, it was before the introduction of ICU, don't know how that would affect it) 19:59:13 <ZirconiumX> Let's have a game of top trumps 19:59:23 <ZirconiumX> get your computer facts ready 19:59:52 <ZirconiumX> ready? 20:00:02 <ZirconiumX> current computer 20:00:39 <ZirconiumX> USB ports excluding additional ones from splitters etc. 20:00:40 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:00:44 <ZirconiumX> you? 20:01:14 <ZirconiumX> three 20:01:19 *** frappa [~frappa@HSI-KBW-078-042-242-252.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 20:01:23 <LordAro> can't - no admin access 20:01:34 <LordAro> plus i'd just cheat ;) 20:01:37 <ZirconiumX> count on your comp 20:01:43 <ZirconiumX> I don't care 20:02:19 <nicfer> are there compilers that can use multiple cores for speeding up the job? 20:02:29 <ZirconiumX> yes 20:02:45 <ZirconiumX> there's a command for make that does it 20:02:56 <ZirconiumX> Except I have one core 20:02:58 <fonsinchen> -j<number> 20:03:03 <ZirconiumX> so that's useless 20:04:16 <ZirconiumX> Memory? 20:04:31 <ZirconiumX> just 256 MB 20:04:38 <nicfer> I've got 2gb :D 20:04:52 <glx> 4GB here 20:04:57 <ZirconiumX> L2 Cache? 20:05:10 <ZirconiumX> 256 KB 20:05:35 <glx> 2*512KB 20:05:44 <ZirconiumX> OMG 20:05:50 *** fanioz__ [~fanioz@222.124.156.226] has joined #openttd 20:06:13 <LordAro> ah! fanioz! another fellow NoAI writer :) 20:06:17 <ZirconiumX> can you burn a CD-R or CD-RW 20:06:33 <glx> DVD-RW and dual layer :) 20:06:36 <ZirconiumX> Yes 20:06:42 <ZirconiumX> DVD read 20:07:07 <LordAro> blueray writer! :p 20:07:09 <LordAro> kidding :) 20:07:15 <ZirconiumX> Size of screen 20:07:23 <LordAro> 1024x768 :( 20:07:24 <glx> LordAro is rich :) 20:07:27 <ZirconiumX> there's a computer that can do that you know 20:07:29 <nicfer> 1600*900 20:07:32 <glx> 1680*1050 20:07:44 <LordAro> glx: note the "kidding" ;) 20:07:54 <ZirconiumX> Res of 1024 x 768 20:08:22 <LordAro> i should have said something else ridiculous, like HVD writer :D 20:08:28 <ZirconiumX> SATA? 20:08:33 <ZirconiumX> nothing 20:08:38 <nicfer> blu-ray discs have mandatory drm encoding right? 20:08:46 <ZirconiumX> macs hate SATA 20:09:05 <glx> not the new ones 20:09:29 <glx> I think they stopped using SCSI a long time ago 20:09:45 <ZirconiumX> Parallel SCSI 20:09:54 <ZirconiumX> Not Supported :( 20:10:21 <glx> I have PATA and SATA 20:10:32 <ZirconiumX> I think I have the ace here 20:10:40 <ZirconiumX> Firewall 20:11:03 <ZirconiumX> ready, 20:11:06 <ZirconiumX> steady 20:11:16 <ZirconiumX> Nope, nothing 20:11:22 <ZirconiumX> *bluffs* 20:11:41 <glx> I could use nforce firewall :) 20:11:59 <ZirconiumX> Graphics card 20:12:07 <glx> GTS 450 20:12:29 <ZirconiumX> NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 20:12:38 <ZirconiumX> VRAM of that card 20:12:50 *** fanioz_ [~fanioz@222.124.156.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:12:59 <ZirconiumX> 32MB 20:13:10 <nicfer> facetime is an apple-exclusive gimmick? 20:13:21 * LordAro nods 20:13:25 <ZirconiumX> yup 20:13:43 <ZirconiumX> How do you get that action thing 20:13:52 <ZirconiumX> that Lord Aro did 20:13:54 <nicfer> so, no facetime for linux or win 20:14:08 <ZirconiumX> no(t yet) 20:14:14 <LordAro> type "/me" before the coment 20:14:15 <glx> it's just a phone call with webcam nicfer :) 20:14:32 <glx> IIRC 20:14:33 <nicfer> well, it's not even a standard AFAIK 20:14:34 <ZirconiumX> What did apple do with MobileMe? 20:14:59 <ZirconiumX> put it on windows 20:15:11 <ZirconiumX> Itunes 20:15:14 <ZirconiumX> Windows 20:15:30 <ZirconiumX> need more examples? 20:15:38 <ZirconiumX> the MAgic mouse 20:15:41 <ZirconiumX> Windows 20:15:57 <ZirconiumX> The first mouse 20:16:02 <ZirconiumX> Windows 20:16:09 <ZirconiumX> anything else 20:16:25 <ZirconiumX> so eventually it will come to windows 20:16:49 <Eddi|zuHause> is that one of those jokes again? 20:17:03 * ZirconiumX realises that you can't get facetime on a mac 20:17:13 <glx> use skype :) 20:17:13 <ZirconiumX> no 20:17:26 <ZirconiumX> Skype's going 20:17:41 * LordAro reminds everyone he hates Apple, macs, Steve Jobs, and anything else to do with it ;) 20:18:06 <glx> everything starting with "i" ;) 20:18:39 * ZirconiumX Reminds everyone that I hate Microsoft, PC's, Bill Gates and everything else to do with it :P 20:18:43 <Eddi|zuHause> EiPott :p 20:18:53 <Terkhen> meh 20:18:59 <Terkhen> not this again 20:19:11 <ZirconiumX> Going to go 20:19:20 <LordAro> bye :) 20:19:23 <ZirconiumX> see ya'll if/when I do 20:19:34 <Eddi|zuHause> is that a threat? 20:19:51 * ZirconiumX opens door and leaves, cursing at Bill gates 20:19:52 <ZirconiumX> no 20:19:58 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:20:51 <LordAro> What's the coding style 'stance' on very long if statements? 20:21:11 <glx> depends 20:21:32 <LordAro> normally ;) 20:21:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd make a line break before the operator 20:25:09 <LordAro> Eddi: are you sure? because http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/file/6748d3019190/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp#l129 doesn't ;) 20:26:31 <glx> as I said, depends :) 20:27:47 <LordAro> ok then, would this be ok? : http://pastebin.com/F6aqQifd 20:29:22 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: i am not involved in deciding the code style ;) 20:30:38 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ce90a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:32:12 <Ammler> LordAro: if I compare that, you miss at least one more indent 20:32:17 <Ammler> (tabs) 20:34:02 <LordAro> try the raw version: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=F6aqQifd 20:34:17 <Ammler> yes, only one tag 20:34:20 <Ammler> tab* 20:35:00 <Ammler> which would imply it is content _in_ the if clause, not still continue the if 20:35:13 <LordAro> on the second line? according to my computer there is only 1 20:35:40 <Ammler> yeah, which is wrong, count the tabs from your hg link 20:36:42 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@a91-156-226-198.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:21 <LordAro> ah, i see. so there should be 3? 20:37:32 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8948.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:38:49 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-226-198.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 20:39:13 <glx> in this case we align with spaces 20:40:07 <LordAro> how many? 20:40:09 <glx> as many tabs as before the if, then spaces so AIXXX are aligned 20:41:43 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ce90a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:43:07 <glx> but as it's your own code, you can use your own style :) 20:43:29 <LordAro> i like to use as close to ottd as possible ;) 20:44:48 <Ammler> he, I just compared the styles, but one tab would make it look like code in the tab, that seemed wrong. 20:45:04 <Eddi|zuHause> [making line breaks after the operator basically goes against anything my higher education taught me] 20:45:22 <LordAro> ah, but 4 spaces, is the same as 1 tab in notepad++ 20:45:45 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: the point about "alignment with spaces" is that tab-width is not the same in every editor 20:45:59 <LordAro> true that :) 20:46:08 <glx> tab for indentation, spaces for aligning ;) 20:46:13 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: so when someone edits with tabwidth 2, he must get the same alignment. 20:46:45 <LordAro> anyone know how to change tab size in notepad++? :) 20:47:03 <Eddi|zuHause> ... now i know what fjb means when he says "there are too many incompetent idiots in the german forum" 20:47:19 <fjb> :-) 20:47:20 <Ammler> shouldn't matter, if you use tabs only for indents 20:47:28 *** SmatZ [~smatz@231.146.broadband11.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 20:47:32 <glx> LordAro: in preferences, it's configurable by language 20:48:37 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: How did you come to that conclusion? 20:48:41 <Eddi|zuHause> seriously... "the freight multiplier probably increases profit"? 20:49:32 <LordAro> glx: got it, 6 is more normal, isn't it? 20:49:46 <glx> I always use 4 :) 20:50:01 <glx> but some prefer 8 20:50:41 <Ammler> the web viewers have mostly 8 20:50:51 <Ammler> or is that a local setting? 20:51:09 <Eddi|zuHause> 8 is usually the "original" tab width... 20:51:18 <LordAro> 8 it is then :) 20:51:33 <Eddi|zuHause> but really: it should work with all tabwidths 20:51:40 <glx> hg viewer uses 8 except for the first tab :) 20:52:36 <Ammler> trac uses 2 20:53:01 <Ammler> which is very few 20:53:07 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.58.85] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:53:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i like tabwidth 2 20:53:44 <Ammler> I use 2, if I ident with spaces :-) 20:53:57 <glx> that's the advantage of tabs, everyone can see code with it's preferences 20:54:53 <Ammler> the problem is, if editor does convert tabs to spaces :-P 20:55:13 <LordAro> that could get annoying... 20:55:40 <Ammler> needed for python, afaik 20:56:02 <glx> blame the editor 20:56:17 <Eddi|zuHause> python condones the use of tabs altogether 20:56:40 <Eddi|zuHause> but otherwise they are interpreted as 8 spaces 20:56:51 <Ammler> glx: of course it is a setting, so you can only blame the user ;-) 20:57:50 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem is teaching the editor different contexts 20:58:02 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: and then the lovely Makefile, which even don't work at all with spacesw 20:58:23 <glx> tabs are part of Makefile format :) 20:58:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i think for kate you can put config files into the working directory 20:58:55 <Ammler> then nml should do that :-P 21:01:01 <Ammler> ah no, nml again does use tabs :-) 21:05:33 <Yexo> LordAro: I haven't looked at it yet, I simply didn't find the time 21:14:32 <Eddi|zuHause> "seine Verlobte Maria [...] auf einmal in anderen UmstÀnden ist - ohne dass er selbst damit etwas zu tun hatte. Sie erzÀhlt etwas von einem geheimnisvollen Mann, der ihr erschienen sei und ihr die Geburt eines Sohnes angekÃŒndigt habe, der vom Heiligen Geist stamme. Das glauben ihr allerdings weder Josef noch ihre Eltern noch irgendjemand sonst in Nazaret..." 21:16:41 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-143-164.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:22:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@78-105-191-76.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:24:42 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8948.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:23 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: People are not that stupid, even not back then in ancient times. :-) 21:25:51 <Xaroth> Yexo: ever considered an IDE for newgrf development? :o 21:26:22 <fjb> Eclipse NewGRF plugin... :-) 21:26:29 <Xaroth> nah 21:26:36 <Xaroth> something standalone 21:27:03 <Eddi|zuHause> what would be the sense in inventing Yet Another IDE just for one esoteric language? 21:27:04 <Xaroth> would be stupid having to download dozens of MB for eclipse, just for a 'simple' IDE 21:27:26 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: stimulating development of newgrfs 21:27:37 <Eddi|zuHause> yyy 21:27:42 <Eddi|zuHause> erghs 21:27:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Xaroth: actually, there is grfmaker already 21:28:08 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@151.134.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 21:28:39 <fjb> A "simple" IDe is calles editor. 21:29:09 <Rubidium> tikiwiki! 21:29:21 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: for certain values of "Integrated"? ;) 21:29:34 <Ammler> isn't grfmaker a IDE? 21:29:35 <Rubidium> direct access to the specs, and it even has versioning 21:29:52 <Xaroth> Rubidium: no automated compiles tho 21:29:59 <Xaroth> and not that good on the debugging front :P 21:30:12 <Xaroth> though code hilighting can be built in... 21:42:09 <Terkhen> I did NML highlighting for Notepad++ 21:49:05 *** SmatZ [~smatz@231.146.broadband11.iol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:40 <Eddi|zuHause> # when you're alone, silence is all you know 21:56:48 <Eddi|zuHause> # when you're alone, silence is all you see 21:56:48 <Eddi|zuHause> # when you're alone, silence is all you'll be 22:03:34 *** ABCRic_ [~ABCRic@36.67.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 22:04:02 *** ABCRic is now known as Guest2374 22:04:03 *** ABCRic_ is now known as ABCRic 22:05:43 <Xaroth> Rubidium: any chance the admin port can get the current list of loaded newgrfs? :o 22:08:00 <Rubidium> rcon gamelog? 22:08:38 *** Guest2374 [~ABCRic@151.134.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:30 *** LordAro [56a754a1@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:13:19 <Xaroth> Rubidium: that's as useful as having to rcon the client list.. but it could work i suppose 22:17:17 <Rubidium> it's true that it's not that useful, as in easy to parse, for admins. But I'm wondering what information to send and whether it's really useful or not 22:19:02 <Xaroth> its useful for verification 22:19:34 <Xaroth> I'll see if I can brush off my almost non-existant C knowledge to make a patch 22:21:59 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:22:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:22:14 *** andythenorth [~andy@host86-170-254-62.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:22:44 <Rubidium> Xaroth: but then you'd probably want something like grfid and md5 checksum 22:22:56 <Rubidium> and also stuff like the parameters 22:23:16 <Rubidium> though stuff gets complicated when compatible NewGRFs are loaded 22:23:34 <Rubidium> do you want to know what NewGRFs should've been loaded or what NewGRF is loaded 22:23:59 <Rubidium> although... that might not really be important since you can't start a server with a compatible NewGRF 22:24:25 * Xaroth nods 22:24:31 <Rubidium> meaning there isn't that much verification of NewGRFs you can do, besides assume the loaded game is the correct game 22:24:33 <Ammler> does the gamelog show the parameters? 22:24:37 <Xaroth> id, md5 and name 22:24:44 <Xaroth> with parameters, but at bare minimum those 3 22:25:49 <Rubidium> I'm wondering how useful the name is for verification 22:26:06 <Rubidium> but then there is always a name as the server can't start with missing NewGRFs 22:26:14 <Ammler> also useful could be, if the newgrf is available from bananas 22:26:33 <Rubidium> Ammler: that requires the server to do a lookup with bananas 22:26:46 <Ammler> e.g. if you like to make something like openttdlib 22:26:47 <Rubidium> which incredibly increases the complexity of the query 22:27:04 <Xaroth> no, checking bananas is not something the server should do 22:28:45 *** andythenorth [~andy@host86-170-254-62.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:30:35 *** andythenorth [~andy@host86-170-254-62.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:30:49 <Ammler> Rubidium: it might be useful also for the MP lobby 22:31:14 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 22:31:28 <z-MaTRiX> fear not santa is here 22:31:41 <Ammler> so you could see, which servers aren't able to join also if you sync with bananas 22:32:01 <Rubidium> that just makes stuff too complex and adds a massive amount of corner cases 22:33:46 <Rubidium> didn't mb like promise a release of some his NewGRFs at Christmas? 22:34:05 <Ammler> yes, newships afaik 22:34:11 <Xaroth> hrnf 22:34:22 <Xaroth> problem with a gazillion source files 22:34:37 <Xaroth> finding the right bit is sometimes like finding a needle in a stack of needles.. 22:34:58 <Ammler> grep... 22:35:04 <Rubidium> you're looking for the network admin bit, right? 22:35:11 <Xaroth> no, i know where that is :P 22:35:26 <Xaroth> network_admin.* 22:35:37 <Xaroth> and tcp_admin.h for some things here and there 22:36:30 *** fanioz__ [~fanioz@222.124.156.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:37:15 <Wolf01> I have a train which loads at station A and delivers to B, C and D. Station B does need too much cargo: A->B A->C A->D A->C A->D seem a bit too repetitive to me, could it be handled with conditional orders? If so, what is the best condition to use? 22:37:31 <Wolf01> *station B doesn't 22:37:36 <Xaroth> I'm trying to locate a good (read: best) way to get information about loaded newgrfs 22:38:04 <Rubidium> (new)grf config 22:38:19 <Xaroth> Rubidium: in the code :P 22:38:43 <Xaroth> << trying to build a patch 22:40:07 <Rubidium> those are search hints... 22:40:12 <Xaroth> ah 22:40:25 <Xaroth> found it :) 22:40:34 * Xaroth hugs Rubidium 22:41:27 *** __ln__ [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 22:42:38 <andythenorth> any ponies 22:42:38 <andythenorth> ? 22:43:38 *** fanioz [~fanioz@222.124.156.229] has joined #openttd 22:45:02 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ce90a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:03 <andythenorth> no ponies :P 22:46:41 *** fanioz [~fanioz@222.124.156.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:47:15 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 22:49:46 *** andythenorth [~andy@host86-170-254-62.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:52:10 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8948.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:52:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:53:55 <__ln__> what to do when power through ups is less reliable than without an ups? 22:54:18 <Xaroth> don't use UPS? 22:54:34 <__ln__> that's what i ended up doing 22:56:11 <Ammler> __ln__: then it is broken? 22:56:28 <Ammler> it needs power for some minutes (to shutdown) 22:58:27 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 22:58:28 <__ln__> the strangest thing is that it's only broken occassionally, and it's not about the battery. 23:00:00 <z-MaTRiX> ups is cool 23:00:24 <z-MaTRiX> (if not made in china ) 23:00:25 <z-MaTRiX> :) 23:00:42 <z-MaTRiX> i have designed ups too 23:03:38 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has left #openttd [] 23:15:22 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:16:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:46 <z-MaTRiX> h 23:25:42 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-84-42-201-168.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 23:27:02 <Wolf01> mmh, MB started to spawn like a mushroom in OTTD forums, especially in the suggestions one 23:30:43 <Zuu> It's always as laughtable when you manage to terminate a while loop with a ; so the loop becomes an infinite loop :-) 23:33:11 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:14 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@36.67.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has left #openttd [] 23:43:02 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:45:49 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 23:48:38 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd