Log for #openttd on 7th January 2011:
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00:00:42  <frosch123> but isn't it most important at the begin? (вПЎка)
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00:02:23  <SmatZ> :)
00:03:20  <SmatZ> russian is slavic language, so there's a clear difference between B and V everywhere
00:13:20  <Mazur> Regardless of any linguistic considerations, that is an important word, frosch123.
00:16:36  <SmatZ> :)
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00:22:14  <supermop> hi
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00:27:08  <frosch123> night
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05:59:09  <kamnet> Good morning
05:59:42  <supermop> hello
06:03:26  <kamnet> How are you today?
06:07:57  <supermop> alright
06:08:02  <supermop> played some gt5
06:10:16  <supermop> actually
06:10:24  <supermop> i think i should head off to bed
06:10:51  <supermop> how are the lots/roads coming?
06:15:07  <kamnet> Slowly coming. I just gotta take time to actually get them finished
06:15:43  <kamnet> Not too much that really needs to be done, curves and t-sections then just gotta replace the truck/bus lots.
06:15:54  <kamnet> Oh, and bridges. forgot about that too
06:16:04  <kamnet> Then I just need to find somebody who wants to code it :-)
06:16:35  <supermop> yeah, that's the hard part
06:17:39  <kamnet> Right now I'm using the code from UK Roads to test with since it's GPL, but its' coded to handle special graphics for left-side and right-side driving, my set isn't that complicated.
06:18:02  <kamnet> and it's going to be the same tiles no matter what environment you're playing in.
06:18:17  <supermop> yeah, as it is full width
06:18:47  <supermop> there was a great deal of talk about road types on here early this afternoon
06:18:51  <kamnet> But I'd like to change up the looks of the truck and bus stations for smething more industrial, so the default graphics will have to be changed and I don't think UK Roads changes those.
06:19:37  <kamnet> Yeah? What all I miss?
06:20:09  <supermop> i think andy started looking into it due to his crossing patch
06:21:00  <kamnet> hm. is there a way to read old convos here?
06:21:01  <supermop> there was discussion of various tram types,
06:21:06  <supermop> i think so
06:21:21  <supermop> but i do not know anything about how irc works
06:21:40  <supermop> i just started coming here to bug people for nfo help
06:22:00  <supermop> i know there are logs
06:22:10  <supermop> but i dont know where you can read them
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06:23:16  <supermop> those guys are usually talking about interesting stuff around 2-3 pm est
06:24:03  <supermop> between the type of job i have, and it being a slow couple of weeks, i have been able to eavesdrop
06:24:34  <supermop> anyway
06:24:40  <supermop> i really should get to bed
06:24:45  <supermop> good luck!
06:25:09  <kamnet> Good night sleep well
06:25:19  <supermop> later
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06:33:26  <frosch123> surprise :p
06:36:58  <kamnet> Woot! I'm surprised!
06:37:03  <kamnet> Wait, why am I surprised?
06:44:30  <frosch123> oh, planetmaker is a poor soul without sleep as well
06:47:57  <kamnet> Well that sucks. I should be trodding off to bed soon myself
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06:56:19  <kamnet> Oh I like this tram stop sign:
06:57:11  <kamnet> I wonder if I have room to draw that on a road tile?
06:57:52  <kamnet> But then again you would be able to see that on a road tile with tram rails on it. And it would just look silly on bare ground.
06:58:18  <kamnet> Maybe then for my industrial tram stops it should always show pavement?
06:58:46  <kamnet> I do believe that would be logical.
07:07:11  <kamnet> Darn not enough room for that logo
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07:26:38  <planetmaker> good morning
07:26:44  <planetmaker> hello frosch123 :-)
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07:59:25  <planetmaker> <-- hehe
08:03:08  <kamnet> If I ever go back into the work place, that will be my first motivational poster I put up
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08:18:20  <planetmaker> that doesn't sound very optimistic of being able to do :-(
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08:21:03  <kamnet> When you're as perfect as I am, it doesn't matter :-D
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08:34:10  <kamnet> It is 3:33 am ET. I have 3 emails in my inbox.
08:36:22  <kamnet> goodnight all
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09:22:35  <Wolf01> good morning
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09:49:25  <peter1138> oh dear
09:49:35  <peter1138> just removed a few core dumps and freed up 3.5GB disk space, hehe
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09:51:50  <peter1138> hrm, 30GB of minecraft beta server backups...
09:52:25  <Wolf01> I think there's a problem with automatic orders... I reached 254 orders with just 3 orders in list Goto A, Goto B and service at nearest depot
09:52:43  <planetmaker> Wolf01: you test with current trunk?
09:52:54  <planetmaker>
09:53:06  <planetmaker> nightly is too old for the fixes ;-)
09:53:30  <Wolf01> ah, ok, I'll wait
09:53:46  <peter1138> r1, eh? heh
09:54:13  <planetmaker> yeah. I like that :-)
09:54:29  <peter1138> btw
09:54:42  <peter1138> if you ever start a project, do you commit right from the start?
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09:54:57  <planetmaker> uhm. yes.
09:55:03  <peter1138> i usually end up with a mostly working program on the first commit :S
09:55:07  <Wolf01> no, nightly, I'll wait 'til this night ;)
09:55:38  <peter1138> probably because i don't plan much, i just code when springs to mind as necessary, heh
09:55:57  <planetmaker> Doesn't mean I plan. But it's just a too convenient undo function ;-)
09:56:03  <Wolf01> ah, did you mean the bugfix, I read b1 instead of r1
09:56:05  <peter1138> hm
09:56:14  <peter1138> i don't like to commit non-working code, see
09:56:23  <peter1138> maybe it's a hangup from working with ottd svn :)
09:56:34  <planetmaker> well. One can make sure single parts work. And commit those. That's what I do
09:56:51  <peter1138> i never write unittests :S
09:57:53  <peter1138> /bin/rm: Argument list too long
09:57:53  <peter1138> /bin/rm: Argument list too long
09:57:54  <peter1138> erm
09:58:02  <peter1138> (hate this mouse, pasting twice)
09:58:54  <planetmaker> proper would be sudo /bin/rm -rf /
09:59:05  <peter1138> :(
09:59:29  <planetmaker> for i in `ls blub`; do rm $i; done
10:04:58  <frosch123> planetmaker: Wolf01: the recent fixes have nothing to do with adding lots of automatic orders
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10:05:41  <frosch123> they are about full-load orders getting canceled when other trains arrive, and trains skipping their destination completely
10:05:43  <planetmaker> ho hum...
10:05:50  <peter1138> find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 rm
10:05:50  <peter1138> find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 rm
10:05:56  <peter1138> DAMN IT, double paste :(
10:05:59  <peter1138> i prefer that
10:06:21  <peter1138> good for handling filenames with things that could be interpreted differently
10:06:32  <frosch123> btw. in this case "r1" means between 0.1.4 and 0.2.0 :p
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10:17:57  <roboboy> is that old SVN or new SVN?
10:18:25  <Tennel> hello, is there a simple way, to query an openttd server via php for it's status (online/offline)?
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10:20:04  <peter1138> roboboy, new SVN. oddly enough, we can't query old SVN. if we could, there wouldn't be old/new SVN...
10:20:32  <roboboy> hm I thoght the disaster was more recent
10:21:11  <peter1138> svn r1 is august 2004
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10:22:50  <roboboy> I thought it was 0.3.x since my first version Isuccessfuly used was or whatever it was versioned
10:24:20  <roboboy> and I consider those old
10:26:10  <planetmaker> Tennel: search for openttdlib
10:27:01  <Tennel> planetmaker: very nice thx :)
10:28:57  <peter1138> roboboy, 0.3.4 is r251-ish
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10:33:49  <peter1138> $ ls -l
10:33:49  <peter1138> total 0
10:33:49  <peter1138> $ ls -l
10:33:49  <peter1138> total 0
10:33:56  <peter1138> OH FFS DOUBLE PASTING :(
10:33:57  <peter1138> so
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10:34:09  <peter1138> $ du -h
10:34:09  <peter1138> 17M     .
10:34:13  <peter1138> lovely :p
10:34:18  <peter1138> 17M of empty directory :D
10:36:09  <SmatZ> hehe :)
10:36:27  <SmatZ> somebody hide porn there
10:36:31  <SmatZ> not much of it though
10:37:15  <peter1138> SmatZ, hehe, same directory where /bin/rm complained that the argument list was too long :)
10:37:41  <SmatZ> :D
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12:45:37  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21739 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#4388] (r19657): make clearing refit orders work again
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13:24:56  <Sydney> ...hello, everyone...
13:25:27  <Sydney> I'd have a question about installing openttd on debian...
13:26:06  <Sydney> ...specifically, I'd like to know if there's an automated procedure inside the game to update the nightly builds/testing versions, or compiling is needed every time...
13:27:47  <Sydney> addition, I'd like to know if someone could explain me better the procedure stated at the bottom of to create a debian package...
13:27:49  <glx> no automated procedure
13:28:21  <Sydney> hi, glx...thanks for that...
13:29:18  <glx> the wiki just tells what is required to compile, not how to create a package
13:29:51  <glx> oh at the bottom of the page
13:30:01  <Sydney> at the bottom, it says "You should be able to build a Debian package from the latest source using the supplied debian directory. You can replace step 3 by this."
13:30:34  <Sydney> now, I get the meaning of the dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us command
13:31:07  <Sydney> but I do not understand what it means "This Debian directory is, conforming to OpenTTD standards, put inside the os/ directory and needs to be moved a level up first: $ mv os/debian . "
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13:33:17  <Yexo> some files needed to build a package should be in debian/, but when you download the source of openttd they're not in debian/ but in os/debian/
13:33:24  <Yexo> as such you need to move that directory up one level first
13:33:37  <glx> in our tree, it's in ROOT/os/debian, but it should be ROOT/debian
13:33:51  <glx> for dpkg-buildpackage
13:34:36  <glx> anyway you don't need to build a .deb to play
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13:36:14  <Sydney> thanks to both Yexo and glx...I thought about building a .deb as I have to install it on both my desktop and my laptop, so built it in one and used the deb on the other...I have also seen there are linux generic archive of the testing...what's the use of those?
13:36:42  <Yexo> extract the archive and run it from there, no need to install them
13:36:43  <glx> you can build and make bundle
13:37:59  <glx> you can install only one version at a time, with archives you can have as many as you want :)
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13:48:31  <Sydney> they're like "portable versions"...just need to extract them, put the opengfx&co packages and run?
13:49:39  <glx> yes
13:50:24  <glx> and if you put grfs in .openttd/data they are shared with all versions
13:52:27  <Sydney>, sorry if bothering again, just to be clear (I'm still a linux noob), I need to extract the package in /usr/games and create an openttd/data in my /home, or what?
13:59:34  <glx> no extract in your home
14:01:19  <Sydney> ok, so just extract the package in home...have I to create any symbolic links to the openttd?
14:01:32  <Yexo> and note it's ".openttd/data" (it starts with a dot)
14:01:45  <Yexo> no symbolic links needed
14:02:57  <Sydney> ok, you are really great, glx and Yexo...thanks infinitely for your kind help...I'll try it later and see if everything runs smoothly :)
14:04:02  <Belugas> hello
14:04:14  <Wolf01> hello sir
14:04:28  <Belugas> mister Wolf01 :)
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14:11:45  <Wolf01> I think I could resume my thinking about the other implementation of the daylengthh patch
14:19:04  <roboboy> gnight
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14:52:06  <Wolf01> where are the cargo payment rates defined?
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15:01:47  <frosch123> cargo properties 10, 11, 12 and callback 39
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15:10:29  <DanMacK> Hey all
15:15:49  <Lakie> Hi DanMacK
15:16:18  <DanMacK> How goes it?
15:25:22  <Lakie> Not too bad yourself?
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15:32:55  <DanMacK> I'm here
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15:50:07  <kamnet> Woot! Congratulations.
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16:00:06  <OTTDmaster> hello
16:01:46  <OTTDmaster> anyone?
16:01:52  <OTTDmaster> (not andythenorth)
16:02:14  <__ln___> anyone what?
16:02:22  * DanMacK watches tumbleweeds blow by
16:03:23  * OTTDmaster smacks DanMacK for the cliche
16:04:11  <OTTDmaster> Ah, Is the Lord there?
16:04:33  <OTTDmaster> Evidently not
16:05:54  * OTTDmaster still hates dc
16:14:22  <George> Hi. When a house check for other houses of the specified class, does it check houses of the current set, or houses of every house set loaded?
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16:21:41  <frosch123> classes are shared accross all houses independent of the grf
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16:22:35  <frosch123> hmm, no
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16:23:11  <frosch123> every grf has its own classes
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16:26:43  <Nite> Hi
16:27:08  <Nite> iknow its of little use but
16:27:22  <Nite> whats with the fences beside the tracks in ottd
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16:27:39  <Nite> when do they appear, how can i swithc tem on an dof?
16:27:58  <OTTDmaster> people aren't allowed to trespass, and because they would get killed if they did
16:28:25  <OTTDmaster> Do you mind using newgrfs
16:28:34  <OTTDmaster> Transrapid track set
16:28:57  <Nite> well i play a game atm where i see no fences, is this normal?
16:29:08  <Nite> or have  is withced them off by accident?
16:29:29  <OTTDmaster> what grf's do you have make a picture and show me
16:29:40  <OTTDmaster> and the transparency options menu
16:29:51  <OTTDmaster> the latter might be how you've done it
16:29:53  <Nite> grfs are nars bascost and difffernt staoins
16:30:00  <Nite> stations
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16:33:15  <Nite> well they are there in vanill with no grfs
16:33:57  <Nite> strange because they are usefull in crowded multiplayer games
16:34:12  <Wolf01> check the "full detail" option in the options menu
16:34:39  <Nite> i checked that
16:34:51  <Nite> must be one of the newgrfs that disables them
16:34:55  <Nite> nars2?
16:35:18  <Wolf01> it's a rail set, nothing to do with infrastructures
16:35:30  <Wolf01> the stations set maybe
16:35:37  <Nite> ECS vectors
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16:36:10  <Nite> ok its jap stations and industrial stations renewal
16:36:10  <George> <frosch123> every grf has its own classes -> How can GRFs cooperate/
16:36:20  <SmatZ> hmm anyone here is using ICQ without problems? I don't seem to be able to connect :(
16:36:29  <Nite> mom
16:36:49  <IchGuckLive> Hi all,i try to find out if there is a different on a plant 4x5tile if i go one or the other way with the station ?
16:37:01  <Nite> i connect to icq just fine
16:37:07  <Wolf01> I left ICQ about 4 years ago because I wasn't able to connect ;)
16:37:47  <Nite> icq is such an oldie ;)
16:37:48  <IchGuckLive> Wolf01: you need to update the lib-purple  every 2 month
16:37:56  <SmatZ> hehe :)
16:37:58  <SmatZ> Nite: thanks :)
16:38:21  <Wolf01> I'm not on linux :)
16:38:55  <IchGuckLive> then give your self a new accound as most do every spam attack
16:39:12  <kamnet> I found out a few weeks ago that AOL sold off ICQ
16:39:13  <IchGuckLive> back to topic ?!
16:39:32  <IchGuckLive> i try to find out if there is a different on a plant 4x5tile if i go one or the other way with the station ?
16:40:24  <IchGuckLive> so one way the station influence all plant tile,the other there are 4plant tile nor on influence
16:42:22  <IchGuckLive> i do not dfind any info about that ?
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16:43:56  <Nite> what is a "plant tile"?
16:44:14  <IchGuckLive> Mais
16:44:36  <Nite> sags auf deutsch
16:45:10  <IchGuckLive> Eine Frucht plantage mit 4x5 grundflÀche
16:45:41  <Nite> und was soll da der unterschied wozu sein ? ("different")
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16:46:51  <IchGuckLive> wenn ich die Station so anlege das alle unter influence sind oder ist es daselbe wenn ich sie quer anlege und es bleiben 4 felder ausenvor
16:47:55  <Nite> i thinbk it is the same as long as the station accepts ore supplies cargo its ok (just one tile needed)
16:48:25  <IchGuckLive> thanks
16:48:27  <IchGuckLive> Bye
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16:51:47  <kamnet> Somebody tell owen that all the links on tt-forums is yellow and unreadable on the snow :D
16:51:59  * kamnet makes not to self not to lick yellow snow areas
16:57:12  <lugo> well for me the snow 's gone on the forums
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17:00:11  <kamnet> Finally disappeared for me too
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17:04:48  <orudge> kamnet: you need to ctrl-f5
17:04:53  <orudge> or whatever hard refresh is in your browser
17:05:00  <orudge> but, by the sound of it, it may have happened automatically anyway
17:05:03  * orudge brb
17:07:38  <kamnet> I figured you were switching the layout back. I had that issue when you switched them up for the holiday too,  Refreshing and restarting wasn't fixing it. But, oh well, all done now. :-)
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18:19:35  <Belugas> [11:51] * kamnet makes not to self not to lick yellow snow areas  <-- apart if yellow sopt is caused by rum aspersion :)
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18:24:35  <planetmaker> lol
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18:45:51  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r21740 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed)
18:45:51  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:51  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belarusian - 57 changes by Wowanxm
18:45:51  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: catalan - 9 changes by arnau
18:45:51  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 1 changes by VoyagerOne
18:45:52  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 8 changes by kaefer1993
18:45:52  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: swedish - 6 changes by spacejens
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18:47:30  <OTTDmaster> hello
18:48:12  <OTTDmaster> Is the Lord here?
18:49:55  <frosch123> just highlight him?
18:50:03  <OTTDmaster> LordAro?
18:50:05  <frosch123> LordAro: LordAro LordAro LordAro LordAro LordAro
18:50:10  <OTTDmaster> lol
18:50:23  <Ammler> louder
18:50:37  <OTTDmaster> LORDARO
18:50:45  <OTTDmaster> that loud enough!?1
18:50:50  *** LordAro was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [are you here?]
18:51:24  <OTTDmaster> Evidently not
18:51:47  <frosch123> you can still send him pms to annoy even more :)
18:53:55  <OTTDmaster> I'm probably not popular with him any more...
18:53:58  <OTTDmaster> 6 pms
18:54:07  * OTTDmaster still hates dc
18:54:10  <planetmaker> omg
18:54:38  <OTTDmaster> overkill 'r' us
18:55:12  <planetmaker> piece of advice: one highlight only till there's a reply. Or each of that lines has valuable _information_ - not pointless 'blah'
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18:55:49  <OTTDmaster> planetmaker: then kick frosch123
18:55:53  <dihedral> next thing you know is, ignored by 20 people in this channel
18:55:59  <frosch123> what, is this not #tycoon? :)
18:56:12  <dihedral> close ...
18:56:14  <planetmaker> OTTDmaster: why should I? was it you or him who was misbehaving?
18:56:24  * OTTDmaster kicks myself
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18:56:48  <dihedral> planetmaker, shall we play that game again? ;-P
18:57:24  <planetmaker> oh, I'm still sick and quite short-tempered. So it'll be a short game
18:57:56  <dihedral> i meant the @op, @kick, @deop game
18:58:56  * Alberth gives planetmaker some hot tea with honey
18:58:57  * OTTDmaster @kicks dihedral for suggesting that game... :P
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18:59:15  <OTTDmaster> hello LordAro
18:59:26  <OTTDmaster> good to see yu're actually online...
18:59:39  <frosch123> hmm, i have a half glass of honey... anyone a good idea what to do with it?
18:59:53  <OTTDmaster> give it to the bees?
18:59:57  <Alberth> add tea?
19:00:02  <Belugas> put it on snow :)
19:00:14  <OTTDmaster> put it on a badger?
19:00:17  <Belugas> another yellow spot on snomw to lick
19:00:17  <frosch123> currently i can only offer rain
19:00:19  <OTTDmaster> (honey badger)
19:00:35  <Belugas> you have some cookies, frosch123?
19:01:01  <frosch123> i had some an hour ago or so...
19:01:13  <dihedral> ... darn cat
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19:01:39  <frosch123> dihedral: give it to eddi
19:01:57  <planetmaker> hmm.... thanks, Alberth :-)
19:02:15  <OTTDmaster> $ cat can of tuna:paws too slippery
19:02:20  <dihedral> frosch123, what does he do with cats??
19:02:37  <OTTDmaster> cat: cannot open can of tuna:paws too slippery
19:02:48  <OTTDmaster> : P
19:03:41  <OTTDmaster> dihedral: that's what he does with cat
19:03:41  <frosch123> dihedral: i suggested him to put them in the blender, but he refused. now see, what happened to him
19:03:51  <OTTDmaster> OMG!
19:04:37  <dihedral> frosch123, that is quite mean :-P
19:04:54  <OTTDmaster> woot auto away in 6 minutes
19:05:03  <dihedral> so if it's a mean cat, tail first :-P
19:05:06  <OTTDmaster> hmmmm
19:05:30  <dihedral> OTTDmaster, is there any chance you could possibly try not to share every action and emotion with the entire channel?
19:05:47  <dihedral> pick someone like DorpsGek, he'll happily listen to your chatter
19:05:50  <dihedral> in a /query
19:06:26  <dihedral> + the nick is not helping :-P
19:07:38  * Belugas reads dihedral's last lines
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19:08:14  * Belugas listens to NIN - THe Becoming
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19:08:44  <dihedral> Belugas, anything new from you and your guitar?
19:08:55  <ZirconiumX> this better?
19:09:01  <dihedral> hello by the way :-)
19:09:04  * Belugas sees a hilight
19:09:16  <Belugas> well...
19:09:20  <Belugas> yes and no
19:09:44  <Belugas> peter1138 and i had a few (too few) jams  lately
19:10:00  <dihedral> any recordings from that?
19:10:07  <Belugas> jsut that i did not made any extracts
19:10:10  <dihedral> ZirconiumX, time will show
19:10:19  <Belugas> and we were experimenting
19:10:29  <Belugas> i THINK something can be salvaged
19:10:39  <Belugas> you can hear peter play guitar!
19:10:52  * Belugas ends typing and resume work
19:10:55  <Belugas> blaaaaaaaa
19:11:49  * dihedral pats the whale
19:12:00  <dihedral> hope it's not too much work
19:12:14  * ZirconiumX waits patiently, and wonder why dihedral likes whales
19:12:17  * dihedral guesses that's a waste of a hope
19:12:59  * ZirconiumX pats the plane as a favour
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19:14:21  <Belugas> hehehe
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19:15:41  <dihedral> i was wondering if he always joins via mibbit
19:15:51  <dihedral> i do not want to ignore all of mibbit :-P
19:17:27  <frosch123> night
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19:26:51  <supermop> hello
19:27:09  <Alberth> hello
19:28:26  <supermop> How's it going, Alberth?
19:28:41  * Alberth has weekend!
19:28:57  <supermop> excellent
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19:29:19  <supermop> I have to work on Saturday, so not much to look forward to there
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19:30:30  <Alberth> he, a Wolf01. Evening
19:32:57  <Maarten> Howdy :)
19:33:49  <Belugas> woking on weekend?????  YURK!!!
19:33:55  <Belugas> I would NEVER do that
19:33:57  <Belugas> hem...
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19:40:21  <andythenorth> eveninks
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19:42:06  <Alberth> good evening andy
19:42:22  <andythenorth> today I was working
19:42:33  <andythenorth> so there was no 'andy monologue' on #openttd
19:42:36  <supermop> hello
19:42:47  <supermop> today I am working
19:46:02  <andythenorth> this thread gets more exciting every time:
19:49:43  <supermop> facetious?
19:49:53  <Alberth> Dimme made anice suggestion imho. No idea whether it is feasible, but the idea is nice
19:50:11  <andythenorth> doesn't it need a map that is *much* bigger?
19:51:51  <Zuu> I've fiddeled a bit with a PI regulator for the buying/selling of vehicles in CluelessPlus. However my results so far were quite unstable and requires a good method of predicting what output will overflow the network.
19:52:15  <Alberth> I don't know how the path finder stores blocks
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19:54:10  <Wolf01> I'm trying to make a new daylength patch instead
19:55:46  <andythenorth> can AIs click stop/go on trains?
19:56:58  <Zuu> Yes
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19:57:08  <Zuu> AIVehicle.StartStopVehicle I think.
19:57:17  <frogonia> Hi, how to add AI to a save game ?
19:57:31  <Zuu> Raise number of AI players
19:57:38  <Zuu> and wait for an AI to start
19:57:45  <Zuu> or use the start_ai command in the console.
19:57:45  <frogonia> i have raised but no effect
19:58:03  <Zuu> By default AIs are delayd by 365 days (give or take).
19:58:29  <Zuu> If you use a really recent nightly you can change that in-game.
19:58:42  <Zuu> Otherwise pull down the console and type the start_ai command.
19:59:18  <Zuu> In the menu to the right in the toolbar at top you find an option to open the console.
19:59:30  <frogonia> i have started
20:00:03  <Zuu> Also be aware that some AIs take up to a few months before they make their first construction.
20:00:32  <Zuu> Most AIs have some kind of planing stage before they start to build.
20:00:54  <Zuu> andythenorth:
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20:07:36  <frogonia> say a number of city to play ?
20:09:00  <Alberth> 5
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20:25:41  <Xed_> hi :D
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20:43:37  * andythenorth ponders
20:45:05  <Xaroth> 42
20:46:04  <andythenorth> nah
20:46:06  <andythenorth> not so much
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20:56:00  <andythenorth> I'm not sure how I'd start roadtypes
20:56:21  <andythenorth> if I start with code to set tile bits etc, I can't see what it's doing
20:56:30  <andythenorth> if I start with drawing code, I have no bits to draw...
20:57:05  <Lakie> Animations on industries?
20:57:20  <andythenorth> yes, that is possible :)
20:57:27  <andythenorth> what kind of question was it?
20:57:27  <Lakie> I know
20:57:37  <Lakie> What the above was for?
20:58:10  <andythenorth> roadtypes
20:59:21  <andythenorth> I don't really understand what I'm getting into, which means I'm not scare by how difficult or boring it's going to be :)
21:00:03  <Lakie> Hehe fair enough
21:01:22  <Lakie> Should be interesting for you though. ;)
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21:02:17  <andythenorth> interesting like tooth extraction is interesting
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21:09:47  <LordAro> hmmmm - judging by the logs, it seems that setting mibbit to auto-reconnect wasn't such a good idea after all :)
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21:13:57  <dihedral> Maarten == Maartena on the forums?
21:14:56  <Maarten> yeah
21:15:08  <dihedral> well, hi there
21:15:09  <dihedral> :-)
21:15:37  <Maarten> hey :)
21:21:44  <dihedral> Rubidium, are the chances high that DoCommand id's will remain consecutive and not grouped like the ADMIN_PACKETs? i.e. <100 and >100 for example
21:22:43  <dihedral> out of curiosity that is ;-)
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21:34:59  * fonsinchen is surprised how many coding style problems in cargodist have gone unnoticed all the time
21:35:07  <fonsinchen> I must be blind.
21:37:28  <dihedral> un-noticed or un-mentioned :-P
21:40:26  <fonsinchen> both
21:40:36  <SpComb> un-read
21:40:58  <fonsinchen> I have been cleaning the coding style for some months now, but I still find problems ...
21:42:45  <DJNekkid> guys, is it possible to return a 15 bit value for ship speeds via cb36?
21:43:15  <planetmaker> @ports
21:43:15  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound)
21:46:16  <andythenorth> DJNekkid: maybe, let me see
21:46:51  <andythenorth> DJNekkid: hmm
21:46:54  <andythenorth> I don't do it in fish
21:47:19  <andythenorth> I do return 15 bit value to cb15 for ships
21:47:23  <andythenorth> but that's no help :P
21:47:43  <andythenorth> why do you need a 15 bit value?  How fast is this ship?
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21:55:40  <SmatZ> niceeee
21:55:47  * SmatZ found box of 20 beers
21:55:53  <SmatZ> I thought those beers are empty
21:55:58  <SmatZ> but they are full
21:56:03  <SmatZ> of delicious beer!
21:56:08  <SmatZ> :)
21:56:28  * SmatZ just returned from swimming pool and is very thirsty
21:56:39  <SmatZ> also, I need to get back those calories I lost :)
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22:05:34  <fonsinchen> hmmm, beer
22:05:50  <fonsinchen> will be back in 5 minutes
22:05:55  <SmatZ> :)
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22:11:42  <dihedral> SmatZ, swimming in it? :-)
22:12:07  <SmatZ> dihedral: nope :) that would be waste of it :)
22:12:26  <dihedral> can i undo local commits to a hg repo
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22:13:04  <SmatZ> you should be able to do some "hg up unbroken_revision"
22:13:08  <SmatZ> or something like that
22:13:14  <andythenorth> hmm
22:13:20  <andythenorth> canals as a roadtype?
22:13:26  <andythenorth> interesting suggestionionon
22:13:39  <SmatZ> rails as a roadtype?
22:13:43  <SmatZ> interesting suggestionionon
22:13:44  <andythenorth> :P
22:13:47  <dihedral> nah - i accidentally commited a file i did not want to commit
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22:13:58  <dihedral> and esp. not in that commit
22:14:08  <SmatZ> [23:14:11] <andythenorth> interesting suggestionionon <== looks like an echo :)
22:14:13  * andythenorth would actually do ng rails as a roadtype
22:14:14  <SmatZ> suggestion.. ion ... on...
22:14:27  <dihedral> nn
22:14:28  <andythenorth> no no, it's a suggestion onion
22:14:29  <dihedral> :-P
22:14:35  <SmatZ> :)
22:14:51  <kamnet> I've long thought that canals should be similar to a road type anyhow :-)
22:14:57  <dihedral> you'r mother is so ugly, she makes onions cry :-P
22:15:14  <SmatZ> dihedral: just revert to that revision and commit again, it may create different branch
22:15:29  <SmatZ> there are MANY people who know hg better than me though :)
22:16:07  <dihedral> hehe
22:16:08  <SmatZ> "you'r"... not "your", not "you're"... just use "you'r" when you are not sure :)
22:16:14  <dihedral> i do not want another head :-P
22:16:19  <dihedral> one is enough to handle :-D
22:16:23  <SmatZ> :)
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22:17:04  <dihedral> sell - it has not been that many revs - i'll just do that part again :-D
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22:20:11  <andythenorth> good night
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22:20:49  * SmatZ sells dihedral
22:21:15  <dihedral> s/sell/well/ :P
22:22:01  * SmatZ wells dihedral
22:22:26  <SmatZ> :)
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22:23:43  <dihedral> hehe :-)
22:24:30  * SmatZ should watch A Clockwork Orange again
22:26:06  <dihedral> i think i've never seen it
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22:26:14  <SmatZ> nice movie :)
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22:30:25  <Wolf01> question about daylength: if a vehicle can earn 4 times the ammount of money but running costs remains the same, who cares? we already have it for aircrafts
22:31:13  <SpComb> I don't
22:32:21  <dihedral> usually it's the other way round, we have stuff for everything just not for planes
22:32:28  <dihedral> e.g. traffic lights, tunnels, bridges .....
22:32:29  <dihedral> :-P
22:33:24  <fonsinchen>
22:33:46  <fonsinchen> This is what happens if you load PSG 199 into cargodist :)
22:33:51  <supermop> looks like a good game
22:34:32  <fonsinchen> Amazingly it doesn't hang.
22:36:24  <fonsinchen> However, it doesn't do anything meaningful either as those (non-existing) orders are really nondeterministic.
22:36:36  <supermop> hm
22:42:07  <Wolf01> anhother question: if a vehicle earns 50 times the money and running costs remains the same?
22:47:41  <SmatZ> aircraft are just too profitable even with planespeed 1/4
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22:47:48  <SmatZ> (the default set)
22:48:22  <Wolf01> but trains aren't now
22:49:00  * SmatZ has never tested any daylength patch
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22:50:55  <Wolf01> I can repay the whole borrow in 5 days with a single bus between 2 cities at 20 tiles and have enough money to purchase an aircraft in 8 days
22:51:12  <SmatZ> cheatz0r
22:51:18  <Wolf01> no, daylength
22:51:25  <SmatZ> cheatz0r
22:51:30  <Wolf01> one of its problems
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22:51:50  <SmatZ> once that problem is solved, daylength can be included in OpenTTD
22:52:13  <SmatZ> (I think the total breakage of economy was one of, and the most important, arguments against it)
22:53:36  <Wolf01> it can be easily solved in 2 ways: don't care about big money$$$ like we do for aircrafts or raise all the costs to balance the incomes, but then the running costs does not match the yearly grf cost (but with variable running costs they already don't match it)
22:54:33  <Wolf01> both solutions will affect the time to wait to be able to build new things
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22:54:51  <Wolf01> more income means you can purchase more vehicles in less time
22:55:21  <Wolf01> higher running cost mean you are running the game slowly but trains are really fast
22:55:35  <Wolf01> or I can reduce the incomes which is the same
22:56:14  <Wolf01> a train get paid 100$/travel instead 1M$/travel
23:02:53  <Xed_> But if slowing down the duration of a day is meant to longer the time it takes to reach electric trains, for example, thus making the game longer, if the global economy slows down as well the whole thing is pointless, because it would take anyway twice the time to do the same things, the end result is the same o.o
23:03:14  <Xed_> It just takes longer xD
23:03:17  <Wolf01> the whole economy slows donw but not your bank balance
23:03:22  <Wolf01> *down
23:04:02  <Wolf01> but a bus can visit 20 times two cities at day instead of each one every 15 days
23:05:16  <Xed_> Yes but if the earns are reduced by the same amount, in the end after a year the total outcome is the same
23:05:45  <Wolf01> yes, but you need to wait more real time to be able to purchase things
23:06:23  <Wolf01> always 200 days in game, but 3 hours instead of 40 minutes in real time
23:06:51  <Wolf01> (I just put some invented numbers)
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23:13:18  <Wolf01> ok, there's a problem with automatic orders: I have 2 separate lorry stations in a loop (one for loading and one for unloading), when a vehicle from A needs to pass through B, it inserts the automatic order
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23:14:40  <Wolf01> I can separate the 2 ways so vehicles are forced to turn back from their previous path, but it could make traffic jams
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23:22:01  <Wolf01> ah, trains to station A don't stop at station B, only pass through, so the automatic station B orser is added by mistake
23:24:34  <Xed_> If the point of slowing down days is that one, then it's consinstent :)
23:25:03  <Xed_> Of course a sane person wouldn't make it so that 1 day ingame lasts 1 real day :D
23:25:43  <Xed_> 4 times the duration would already be reasonable, maybe more is too much
23:25:59  <Wolf01> Rubidium?
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23:39:24  <Wolf01> !seen alberth
23:39:36  <Wolf01> @seen alberth
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23:59:57  <[Xed]> weather forecast for tonight: darkness :D

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