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I spoted a small error in opengfx+ landscape r19 09:43:29 <kamnet> Although it looks like it only appears on a map that was created using an earlier version of ChillCore's patchpack. 09:45:20 <kamnet> Oops, nevermind, its' a heightmap, not a scenario... hmmm.. I'll go bug ChillCore about it :D 09:47:47 <planetmaker> well. If you spot a bug, it'd be nice to report it in the appropriate bug tracker. I'll forget, if it's just in IRC ;-) 09:48:43 <dihedral> heh 09:49:40 <Rubidium> planetmaker: it's go in the bug tracker that's known as t=47622 09:51:47 <planetmaker> I'm afraid that is at the moment too far fetched to get the joke ;-) 09:52:15 <planetmaker> *too far fetched for me 09:52:47 <Rubidium> planetmaker: that 50+ page thread with bug reports about Chill's PP 09:53:10 <Rubidium> although it seems to be the new "MiniIN" when looking at its longevity 09:53:37 <kamnet> has there been a report about sprites on the edges of the seas changing when gridlines are disabled? 09:54:09 <Rubidium> in that thread? Or in general? (In either case I can't remember it) 09:54:45 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:54:58 <kamnet> Well it's only happening when I use this specific heightmap. If I start a new game and the game generates the land on it's own, no issues. I'm thinking better to start with chill? 09:56:33 <Rubidium> given Chill's PP has a new height level thing I guess it might very well be related with that 09:57:05 <planetmaker> oh, that one :-) 09:57:25 <planetmaker> t as in topic ;-) 09:58:58 <Rubidium> it looks fine with clean trunk at all edges on a generate map 10:06:55 <kamnet> Yeah I bugged him aboutit :D 10:07:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D8EB.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:11:55 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-57-15.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:12:06 <planetmaker> well, did you test the steep slopes also in trunk with that newgrf, kamnet ? 10:12:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.184.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:14:24 <Rubidium> it's borked in trunk as well 10:14:50 <planetmaker> I assumed so ;-) 10:15:04 <planetmaker> but I can't test now 10:15:34 <Rubidium> sprites "5908 / 5909" need Y-offset -8 instead of 0 10:16:35 <planetmaker> :-D 10:17:20 <planetmaker> besides missing no-grid support for roads and tracks, I guess there's a reason it's still only available as nightlies ;-) 10:17:29 <Rubidium> got to hate those dudes that added the sprite aligner and sprite picker ;) 10:17:56 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-250-62.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:18:09 <planetmaker> yeah. really. Quite evil guys. 10:19:14 *** neli [micha@77-232.ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:20:05 <planetmaker> It didn't seem to show obviously when I tested, it seems ;-) 10:22:48 <kamnet> No, I didn't see it with steep slopes. 10:23:40 <kamnet> What kinda landscape goodies are you looking for, by the way? 10:24:35 <planetmaker> hm? you mean in general? 10:24:45 <kamnet> yes 10:25:19 <planetmaker> well... I've only a fuzzy idea ;-) - I'd add andy's wind mill as a first object for eye candy reasons 10:25:34 <dihedral> uh? 10:25:41 <dihedral> is there a picture of that? 10:26:10 <kamnet> as a NewObject? 10:26:58 <planetmaker> browse the FIRS repository ;-) - it's there, but not used. http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/changes/sprites/pcx/industries/windfarm.pcx 10:27:17 <planetmaker> yeah, I think this landscape newgrf could contain also objects - as they're part of the landscape 10:27:30 <planetmaker> and it could possibly contain maybe a few (more) stones. 10:28:25 <kamnet> Wally said he was working on some. I thought about making some more stones myself. Apparently we all have rocks on the brains... 10:28:57 <planetmaker> :-P 10:29:45 <dihedral> that is some very nice art :-) 10:29:55 <planetmaker> Might as well add some harbour graphics or... dunno. Observation tower. Things like these. 10:30:41 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 10:34:08 <kamnet> Can we use the water/land edge tiles to build along the rivers to make them look nicer than flat, square edges? 10:34:31 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:03:34 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.28.8] has joined #openttd 11:13:01 <kamnet> Oh, wait. THOSE steep slopes. Sorry, I didn't even notice that they were steepslopes. :P 11:13:10 <kamnet> I should be sleeping right now, but I'm not haha 11:18:04 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 11:24:09 *** ar3kaway [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 11:24:10 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:24:15 *** ar3kaway is now known as ar3k 11:30:33 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:30:55 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 11:38:27 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-201.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:39:04 <planetmaker> kamnet: you might want to try the nightly of ogfx+landscape which will be compiled later today (in about 6 hours) 11:39:08 <peter1138> awww, i missed 11:38 o'clock :( 11:41:51 <kamnet> Will do 11:49:30 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:49:57 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-237-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 11:50:02 <Wolf01> hello 11:50:06 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:50:18 <__ln__> buongiorno 11:50:28 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.50.197] has joined #openttd 11:50:35 <Wolf01> to you too __ln__ 11:55:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6e53.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:55:26 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:56:25 <Mazur> A series of Dutch windmill types (grain/wood/water, etc.) might be pretty. 11:57:24 <planetmaker> yeah, quite ;-) 12:00:17 <Mazur> And a spanish mill, under that name, so that people learn not to use those in movies, etc., when they try and portray Dutch landscapes. 12:01:58 *** neli [micha@41-239.ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:11:35 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 12:11:35 *** George is now known as Guest94 12:11:35 *** George|2 is now known as George 12:18:09 *** Guest94 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:33:23 *** clum [~clum@92.8.121.51] has joined #openttd 12:41:51 *** v3rb0 [~v3rb0@78.84.194.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:50:36 <SmatZ> http://www.bomba.cz/video/novodobe-cepovani-piva-pipa-to-uz-je-nuda/ new way of filling glass of beer :) 12:51:59 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:52:02 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:54:25 <dihedral> lol SmatZ 12:54:35 <dihedral> you probably want one of those machines, ey? 12:56:43 <SmatZ> :-) 12:56:54 <Terkhen> who wouldn't? 12:58:07 <V453000> thats ... interesting :D how does that work? 12:58:33 <planetmaker> sort-of one-way valve bottom 12:58:40 <V453000> I guess :) 12:59:05 <planetmaker> and a hydrostatic gauge 12:59:18 <V453000> I guess SmatZ would need such thing so he doesnt spend more time with opening beer than drinking it 12:59:24 <V453000> :P 12:59:57 <Rubidium> just drink it directly from the barrel 13:00:58 <planetmaker> I still vividly remember SmatZ' eyes when I told him to take along the (small) spare barrel from the r20k party :-P 13:01:35 <planetmaker> sometimes the small joys are the best :-) 13:06:03 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:06:09 <andythenorth> I actually kind of like this one: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=44042 13:06:15 <SmatZ> :-D 13:06:17 <andythenorth> might turn disasters back on if that existed 13:06:27 <andythenorth> it would need an avalanche version though 13:06:38 <SmatZ> planetmaker: yeah, that was a great present, thank you again :-) 13:07:29 <planetmaker> it was (and would be again) the best I can do with it :-) 13:09:18 <V453000> pm: SMALL joys? :D :P 13:09:51 <V453000> having SmatZ get beer is not a small joy :) 13:11:47 <planetmaker> you make him sound like a drunkard - which is not my impression :-) 13:11:53 <Ammler> SmatZ: you need also to thank us, that we drunk so few beers in the party itself so that barrel wasn't needed :-P 13:12:18 *** neli [micha@41-239.ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:14:20 <dihedral> andythenorth, that is a nice disaster :-) 13:14:42 <dihedral> can disasters not be passed on to grfs? 13:14:55 <dihedral> so that a grf could introduce a disaster 13:15:33 <planetmaker> that's the idea. But someone needs to write a newgrf disaster framework. Best coupled to the console so that they can even be triggered externally 13:15:36 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:15:52 <planetmaker> (if they have an appropriate flag set, maybe) 13:16:13 <dihedral> triggering is easy 13:16:26 <dihedral> framework is hard :-P 13:16:31 <planetmaker> ^^ 13:16:45 <dihedral> however, you could hand it over to an ai 13:16:52 <planetmaker> it first would need a decent concept 13:17:03 <dihedral> yeah 13:17:15 <planetmaker> nah, the AI should not be abused to that end. Rather an admin bot ;-) 13:17:26 <planetmaker> which then would be called 'scenario bot' or so 13:17:33 <dihedral> less admin bot as that is only available to a server 13:17:49 <dihedral> and the desaster ai could merely be a 'type' of ai 13:18:04 <dihedral> use parts of the framework 13:18:07 <dihedral> but not others 13:18:11 <dihedral> and have no costs 13:18:42 <planetmaker> I'd not call it AI. That sounds wrong ;-) 13:18:57 <planetmaker> but it might be semantics 13:19:35 <Ammler> you could call it god 13:19:40 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a99a:5675:ab1d:c5] has joined #openttd 13:19:43 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:22:58 *** neli [~neli@41-239.ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:27:32 <dihedral> the advantage could be that such an disaster squirrel script would not be required to be present when loading a save 13:27:45 <dihedral> but i am not sure that would be desired 13:28:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i like the idea of a "scenario script" 13:28:49 <Eddi|zuHause> but squirrel based would probably make more sense than grf based 13:29:08 <planetmaker> well. both probably :-) 13:29:37 <planetmaker> The grf defines the disasters. The script can define when and where they happen 13:29:46 <planetmaker> To me it's a bit like two parts of the same problem 13:30:15 <planetmaker> a squirrel script cannot define the telepathic alien invader ufo, it needs a newgrf. 13:30:27 <planetmaker> But the script could tell it where to go and how many people to take from the town 13:30:38 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but the immediate use of a "scenario script" is not only triggering disasters, but also things like tutorials and goal frameworks 13:31:05 <planetmaker> goal framework is again, broader than scenario script ;-) 13:31:11 <planetmaker> But that's why I say: it's two things 13:31:43 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i don't think it's much broader. it repeatedly checks conditions like company value, and then triggers a victory screen 13:31:44 *** neli [~neli@41-239.ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:31:59 <Eddi|zuHause> as in a dialog window... 13:32:09 <planetmaker> yeah, I guess it depends how one sees 'scenario script' 13:32:49 <planetmaker> and we all seem to agree in the larger, fuzzily defined goal ;-) 13:37:00 *** fanioz [~fanioz@222.124.156.227] has joined #openttd 13:45:18 <__ln__> why don't i see OpenTTD at: http://scan.coverity.com/all-projects.html 13:45:22 *** fanioz [~fanioz@222.124.156.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:49:13 <SmatZ> maybe it was scanned long time ago 13:49:22 <SmatZ> (I think it was) 13:53:37 <andythenorth> goal framework is barely larger than scenario script 13:54:25 <andythenorth> but the 'barely' could be troublesome :P 13:54:32 <andythenorth> e.g. does it get control over economy? 13:54:37 <andythenorth> over vehicle intro dates? 13:54:45 <andythenorth> over industry open / close 14:08:02 <Belugas> hello 14:09:36 <andythenorth> quak 14:09:37 <andythenorth> hmm 14:09:40 <andythenorth> wrong person :) 14:13:31 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 14:15:20 <Eddi|zuHause> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/1/1d/22_Strecke.jpg/800px-22_Strecke.jpg <-- why do i love images like this so much? 14:17:58 <dihedral> uh yeah :-) 14:18:14 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4ED7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:19:25 <frosch123> what? steam and double stack wagons? 14:20:46 <frosch123> i thought buildnig such coaches would be far more modern 14:22:24 <peter1138> :) 14:24:26 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: the first such wagons were pre-WWII, but only few models for the private railway "LÃŒbeck-BÃŒchener-Eisenbahn (LBE)", produced in Görlitz. the next series was for east german railways only, where they were continuously further developed. west germany only got the models after 1990, except the few LBE wagons. 14:26:37 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: see http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelstockwagen#Deutschland 14:30:22 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 14:45:15 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: what's particularly interesting about the LBE is that they used these wagons for push-pull service with steam engines already 1936 14:46:38 <frosch123> isn't it more interesting, why they are not used in the west later on? 14:46:55 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFE434.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:47:20 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: the wikipedia article said something about 6 further prototypes in the west, but they weren't picked up for series production 14:48:11 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe licensing the production schemes from the Görlitz factory wasn't politically wanted... 14:48:19 <frosch123> yeah, but there is no hint like, adenauer banged his head at the low ceiling, so they were dropped for regular service 14:53:14 *** neli [micha@213-232.ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:54:56 <frosch123> ouch... 14:55:42 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 14:56:35 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has joined #openttd 14:58:39 <frosch123> http://pastebin.com/dzecDQut <- someone minds breaking any of these grfs? 14:59:24 *** BigDaveDev [~Dave@c83-248-144-110.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 14:59:31 <Eddi|zuHause> grf version 1?! 14:59:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought even ttdp only loaded grf version >= 2 14:59:54 <frosch123> i guess they thought "grf version" means version of their grf 15:00:17 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: the problem is, ottd does not do any checking of the version at all 15:00:27 <frosch123> so there are some grfs with wrong version, which just work 15:01:06 <Eddi|zuHause> we have broken malformatted grfs in the past... 15:01:23 <frosch123> but, now we even have them on bananas :) 15:01:27 <Eddi|zuHause> like combroads or newbridges 15:03:38 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 15:07:18 *** BigDaveDev [~Dave@c83-248-144-110.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:08:43 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA248.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:09:26 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 15:09:55 <JOHN-SHEPARD> hey 15:10:03 <JOHN-SHEPARD> i ssee people making a one block station 15:10:10 <JOHN-SHEPARD> then far away a full station 15:10:15 <JOHN-SHEPARD> but they are the same station 15:10:26 <frosch123> hold ctrl while building the station 15:10:26 <JOHN-SHEPARD> how is this done 15:10:56 <JOHN-SHEPARD> so i can make a station that is like a way point for stuff you want to carry? 15:10:58 <frosch123> http://wiki.openttd.org/Hidden 15:11:45 <frosch123> within station spread you can make quite big stations like that, which catch cargo from different spots 15:13:39 <JOHN-SHEPARD> ok 15:21:27 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f724a0b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:25:33 <Rubidium> frosch123: maybe save that change for after 1.1 is branched? 15:27:06 <frosch123> i would rather prefer as fast as possible to get rid of those grfs 15:27:36 <frosch123> hmm, otoh, the version 0/1 check is not as important 15:27:46 <frosch123> but there should be a version < 8 check 15:28:59 <Rubidium> maybe we should still show NewGRFs with unknown/invalid versions, but not allow them to be added to lists: Can't add this NewGRF as it has an unsupported GRF version" 15:29:53 <Rubidium> otherwise we'll end up with maybe for bananas when NewGRF v8 gets introduced and the "stable" clients don't understand it, thus don't list it and people complain about the file being downloaded again and again 15:30:05 <frosch123> what do you when loading games? 15:30:09 <frosch123> +do 15:30:25 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: deactivate them the same way as missing grfs 15:30:52 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: well, but it should not consider them as compatible 15:33:29 *** neli [micha@213-232.ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:52 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 15:34:54 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 15:35:02 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 15:55:21 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 15:56:10 *** Chruker [~no@87-104-39-161-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk] has joined #openttd 16:03:51 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA248.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:10:30 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.53.169] has joined #openttd 16:12:19 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18:41 *** Markavian [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:34 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:07 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:20:30 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d083fb3.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:20:57 *** Markavian [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 16:21:22 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:51 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 16:22:36 <Wolf01> Belugas: a gift for you: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=924613#p924613 :D 16:24:49 <Belugas> hehe 16:25:08 <Belugas> it does look good, i agree with the man 16:25:30 <Wolf01> but is "r" :P 16:26:20 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 16:27:39 <Belugas> bah... 16:27:46 <Belugas> as long as it's in a grf, who cares ;) 16:28:27 <Belugas> and by the way, George added far more realistic looks than MB on his sets heheh 16:35:24 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:35:35 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 16:37:31 *** clum [~clum@92.8.121.51] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:43:48 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 17:00:59 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:06:15 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f724a0b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:07:25 <planetmaker> bah. What a hell of a weather outside 17:08:14 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e08fbe9.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:14:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it was raining here all day 17:14:05 <Eddi|zuHause> and now it starts to get foggy 17:14:27 <Eddi|zuHause> luckily, i can choose not to go outside most of the time ;) 17:16:28 <planetmaker> well. true for me for the rest of the day. But the part before was bad enough... 17:18:11 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.28.8] has joined #openttd 17:20:50 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-127-24.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:21:52 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA248.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:23:43 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.28.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:24:24 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:46 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:26:33 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-175-215.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:42 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:37:31 * LordAro wonders what #openttd.ovh is... 17:38:37 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:52:11 *** fjb is now known as Guest129 17:52:12 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFC380.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:59:49 *** Guest129 [~frank@p5DDFE434.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:06:44 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA248.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:09:24 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:10 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:20:49 * dihedral yawns 18:21:53 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 18:21:55 <LordAro> should probably get more sleep ;) 18:23:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D8EB.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:54 <dihedral> yeah :-) 18:32:46 *** Chruker [~no@87-104-39-161-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:33:30 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:33:34 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:42:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:46:10 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has quit [Quit: fmauneko] 18:53:47 <LordAro> a bit dead here tonight... 18:54:05 <planetmaker> we're happy that you break the silence 18:54:22 <LordAro> np ;) 18:55:09 *** Fenris [~fenris@p5DC6B18B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:55:36 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:56:07 <ZirconiumX> hello 18:56:50 <LordAro> talking of dead irc channel resurectors... :D 18:57:07 <ZirconiumX> hello, good to see you 19:02:10 <JOHN-SHEPARD_> hey 19:02:18 <JOHN-SHEPARD_> how do i make a good train network with 4 cities 19:02:56 <planetmaker> by playing and building and using a less shouting nick 19:03:14 <ZirconiumX> You'll find out your own style 19:03:52 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1654.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:06:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r21771 /trunk/src/lang/ (czech.txt unfinished/marathi.txt): 19:06:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 19:06:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: czech - 3 changes by CrazyBenny 19:06:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: marathi - 28 changes by jcravi 19:07:29 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-64-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:07:54 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-64-33.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 19:08:18 <Alberth> someone know a newobject grf with more than 4 groups in a class? (ie select a class, and the list below the dropdown has more than 4 entries)? 19:08:28 <JOHN-SHEPARD_> whats wrong with my nick 19:08:30 <JOHN-SHEPARD_> my nick is great 19:08:46 <JOHN-SHEPARD_> hey is it better to connect two very far cities 19:08:56 <Belugas> 1) it' 19:09:09 <Belugas> it's in upper case. You're YELLING YOUR NAME 19:09:12 <JOHN-SHEPARD_> currently the cities i connect are not so far away 19:09:25 <Alberth> people with such great NICKs know such things imho 19:09:31 <Alberth> hai Belugas! 19:09:33 <Yexo> there is no "better" in a game, just do what you like most 19:09:43 <Belugas> Sir Alberth :D 19:09:48 <Belugas> hello you sir 19:10:14 <JOHN-SHEPARD_> ok 19:10:25 <Alberth> the only form of better is not making a loss :p 19:11:24 <Alberth> imho finding out these things is part of the fun. You have to play more OpenTTD. That cannot be bad :p 19:12:19 <Belugas> agreeing with that 19:14:38 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-64-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:14:54 <planetmaker> [20:11] <Alberth> imho finding out these things is part of the fun. You have to play more OpenTTD. That cannot be bad :p <-- oh, yes! :-) 19:15:55 <dihedral> hmmm 19:17:16 <planetmaker> hm, can I define an object such that it just re-used the ground tile which is there on the tile? 19:17:41 <planetmaker> without the need to define all ground tiles... 19:19:09 <frosch123> no 19:19:11 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:19:29 <frosch123> first of all, ottd has no idea which slope to use 19:19:44 <planetmaker> the same as present on the tile 19:19:50 <planetmaker> no change ;-) 19:19:58 <frosch123> usually there are foundations, aren't there? :p 19:20:07 <planetmaker> I just want to place a few objects without foundations... 19:20:19 <planetmaker> a stone on a meadow doesn't need foundations ;-) 19:21:01 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:32 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 19:25:13 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:25:16 <andythenorth> evenings 19:25:59 <ZirconiumX> 'vening 19:26:16 <Alberth> moin 19:26:22 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-90-33.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:31:37 <JOHN-SHEPARD_> hey 19:32:01 <JOHN-SHEPARD_> oftentimes i see people make a double station 19:32:11 <JOHN-SHEPARD_> and manage to use only one track for many trains 19:32:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i vote to autokick anybody who has more than 4 capital letters 19:32:19 <JOHN-SHEPARD_> why are you so mad 19:32:32 <JOHN-SHEPARD_> if you are jalous of my nick then get capital letters yourself 19:32:37 * ZirconiumX thanks god I use ZirconiumX than OTTDmaster 19:33:01 <__ln__> ZirconiumX: that's not more than 4 19:33:03 <Eddi|zuHause> ZirconiumX: those are "exactly 4", not "more than 4" 19:33:42 <LordAro> John-Shepard_: not jealous, annoyed... also, <-- is how your nick should be 19:34:14 <andythenorth> JOHN-SHEPARD_: you appear to have used the full quota of capital letters for today. There are none left for the rest of us :( 19:34:14 <andythenorth> you will see that I am left only with small caps :( 19:34:29 <andythenorth> for example, you could give you capital A to me :o 19:34:34 <andythenorth> your /s 19:35:00 <andythenorth> and you could give your P to planetmaker 19:35:24 <planetmaker> nah, thank you ;-) 19:35:52 <ZirconiumX> JOHN-SHEPaRD_ I like, Andythenorth 19:36:03 <andythenorth> the D could go to dihedral 19:36:14 * ZirconiumX give Andythenorth a Capital A 19:36:27 * andythenorth is reluctant to pointlessly highlight other people 19:36:28 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ is now known as ^ 19:36:34 <^> what now 19:36:40 <dihedral> i do not want a capital D 19:36:42 <andythenorth> it must be bad enough having only small caps, never mind pointless highlights 19:36:48 <andythenorth> umm 19:36:51 <dihedral> but thanks for thinking of me :-P 19:37:09 <andythenorth> only too happy to help 19:37:16 <LordAro> ^: try using signals 19:37:27 *** ^ is now known as JOHN_ 19:37:32 <JOHN_> well 19:37:35 <andythenorth> he 19:37:36 * Eddi|zuHause always finds it astonishing how many people think that annoying everybody is a good way to introduce themselves into a community 19:37:42 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.50.197] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37:47 <JOHN_> i dont know how to create a network of train 19:37:59 <andythenorth> I need to find the source for graphics for openttd.org 19:38:00 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: it makes sure that you become known in no time ;-) 19:38:02 <JOHN_> but my nick never annoyed anyone before 19:38:14 <andythenorth> I can't find source in hg.openttd.org 19:38:30 <JOHN_> im looking into this http://wiki.openttd.org/Railway_Designs 19:38:31 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.50.197] has joined #openttd 19:38:41 <Eddi|zuHause> John_: they were just too afraid to tell you 19:38:57 <JOHN_> my hand cant reach them throguh the screen 19:39:02 <Hirundo> andythenorth: http://vcs.openttd.org/hg/openttd/trunk.hg/file/d7bd9537e845/media/extra_grf/ ? 19:39:08 <Eddi|zuHause> John_: it can't ever have _not_ annoyed any people 19:39:16 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:39:43 <andythenorth> Hirundo: that looks like source for openttd.grf, unless I'm missing something.... 19:40:01 <planetmaker> Hirundo: rather the website logo or so... 19:40:17 <Hirundo> oh sorry, I misread :) 19:40:21 <andythenorth> ;) 19:40:24 <LordAro> andythenorth: http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/file/d7bd9537e845 ? 19:41:21 <JOHN_> http://wiki.openttd.org/images/1/13/Diamond_Stream.png lol 19:42:10 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: have you checked whether svn.openttd.org/extra/website contains any graphics? 19:43:32 <Hirundo> That seems all html and py as far as I can see now 19:47:16 <andythenorth> ho hum 19:47:22 <andythenorth> seems familiar 19:47:30 <Alberth> JOHN_: http://wiki.openttd.org/Tutorial/Two_Tracks ? 19:47:46 <andythenorth> I have been involved in building n websites where the graphics source goes astray... 19:48:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Hirundo: that seems like a major oversight to me... 19:48:59 <Eddi|zuHause> should definitely be brought to the attention of the responsible devs... 19:50:27 <Hirundo> looking at the log, that would be either TB or Rb 20:01:56 *** Chruker [~no@87-104-39-161-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:23:07 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.28.8] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 20:24:08 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-228.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 20:28:57 <Hirundo> hmm... is there a specific reason, why NPF and YAPF each have their own binary heap implementations? 20:30:01 <Rubidium> NPF one's isn't templated and KUDr didn't understand it because it isn't templated or something? 20:31:32 <Rubidium> but then, those that made the decision about YAPF aren't really active anymore 20:32:09 <Rubidium> and it was in the era that everything except the to-be-introduced YAPF was in pure C 20:34:57 <Hirundo> I was just looking through YAPF again, and it indeed is a *** 20:36:04 <Hirundo> "... multiply-inherit from 17 of his templates, each taking an average of 4 arguments, and you barely even have to write the body of the function" (joel spolsky) 20:40:59 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1654.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:24 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbabeea.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:41:44 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:52 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA248.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:44:10 <andythenorth> he 20:44:19 <andythenorth> if you do that enough you can write one beautiful final function 20:44:40 <andythenorth> my_beautiful_function { do(stuff) } 20:45:29 <Alberth> main<"1.0.5">(); :) 20:46:01 <andythenorth> I probably forgot to pass 'stuff' somewhere 20:46:16 <Alberth> nah, global data :) 20:46:22 <andythenorth> oh good 20:46:34 <andythenorth> or do can figure it out from context 20:46:34 <andythenorth> hmm 20:46:48 <andythenorth> context is a dangerously zope-y concept 20:46:48 <andythenorth> probably best that most of you have no idea what I mean 20:47:01 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: I think you should add some sort of legenda to show what the different coloured lines in the link statistics window means 20:48:39 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: a "do_stuff" function makes for a great anti-pattern ;) 20:48:56 <Rubidium> as the bright green is close to both yellow and white colour wise, so it seems like they are somewhat related even though yellow and white seem to mean different things 20:49:20 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:50:46 <fonsinchen> I see. 20:51:10 <fonsinchen> The difficult question is where to put the legenda. 20:51:28 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6e53.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:06 <fonsinchen> or maybe I should make that white a slightly greenish white. 20:52:46 <fonsinchen> something's wrong with my IRC client, I have to reconnect. 20:52:53 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbabeea.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:18 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbabeea.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:33:04 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-15-209.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:49:32 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:28 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 21:52:38 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:55:49 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 21:55:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21772 /trunk/src/object_gui.cpp: -Feature: Add a clickable display of the available objects in the newobject gui. 21:59:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21773 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt object_gui.cpp): -Change: Remove the dropdown, and make BOW_OBJECT_LIST a list of newobject classes. 22:01:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21774 /trunk/src/lang/ (50 files in 2 dirs): -Change: Update the other languages too. 22:02:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21775 /trunk/src/object_gui.cpp: -Add: Allow vertical resizing of the newobject gui. 22:03:30 <Alberth> that's all folks! 22:03:44 <Wolf01> :o 22:03:57 <Wolf01> thank you Alberth :D 22:04:17 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:09:42 <__ln__> should i buy MS Office Professional 2010 for â¬69.00? 22:10:00 <Zuu> Do you have 2007? 22:10:13 <__ln__> No. 22:10:24 <__ln__> Nor any other previous version. 22:10:48 <Zuu> Then I would probably buy it as I bought 2007 for about the same price a year ago. :-) 22:10:59 <Zuu> or if it was 2 or 3 years ago. 22:11:00 <Wolf01> eh, pro for â¬69 is a big deal 22:11:18 * SmatZ whistles *openoffice* innocently 22:11:24 <Zuu> I guess it is the "big deal" for students. 22:11:41 * Rubidium whistles *libreoffice* 22:11:54 * Terkhen whistles *good night* 22:12:01 <Wolf01> here for the home and student version you pay about â¬80, or â¬30 if the university provide it 22:12:03 <Rubidium> good night :) 22:12:03 <SmatZ> :-) 22:12:06 <SmatZ> good night Terkhen 22:12:12 <Wolf01> nini Terkhen 22:12:45 <Zuu> 2007 + 2010 have the semi-latex formula editor which is nice if you have to write many formulas. 22:13:39 <Wolf01> 2007 and 2010 have too manu redundant menu items 22:13:49 <Rubidium> even then LaTeX + VCS are much better for writing something consistent 22:14:16 <Zuu> Possible, especially if you can rule your own environment. 22:15:07 <andythenorth> goof night 22:15:12 <andythenorth> oof 22:15:17 <Ammler> doof night 22:15:27 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 22:15:31 <Rubidium> I still pity the guys that had to merge some 20 word documents into a single consistent document before sending it to be printed 22:15:32 <Wolf01> night andythenorth 22:15:44 <Zuu> In many cases it comes down to what will work in cooperation with other people. And then usually it is not "the best" solution that works best. 22:15:50 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 22:16:17 <SmatZ> I use pdfcreator for merning documents... 22:16:30 <SmatZ> would be nice to know tex though 22:16:45 <Rubidium> SmatZ: does that keep consistent page numbering? Does that make a table of contents? 22:16:46 <SmatZ> but you can't expect non-programmers to use it I guess 22:16:54 <__ln__> LaTeX has some kind of a learning curve, and as far as I understand customising the page layout is non-trivial. 22:16:59 <Rubidium> does that make sure each chapter starts on an odd page? 22:17:03 <Wolf01> does that use the same style? 22:17:04 <SmatZ> Rubidium: nope, it just merges the pages, so they can be printed as 1 document :) 22:18:25 <Zuu> If you have any problem with spelling, MS office products also comes with better language tools than eg open office. Something that I value, but might be a non-issue for other people. 22:18:25 <Rubidium> with LaTeX and Subversion the act of getting a single consistent document took only a few minutes of "compiling" 22:19:53 <Zuu> However, it's true LaTeX and the usage of simple text files sure does have many adventages. 22:20:17 <__ln__> Zuu: Not that I have any problems with spelling, but there is no proofreading for Finnish at all in OpenOffice out-of-the-box. 22:21:39 <Zuu> Not sure if proofreading is the same as spell checker, but at least the Swedish one is of lower quality than in ms office. 22:22:05 <Rubidium> you can just load the latex source into office (as plain text file) 22:22:07 <__ln__> well m'kay, at least i meant the same as spell checker. 22:22:54 <Zuu> Rubidium: Sure, I do that from time to time with non-office texts just to be on the sure side. 22:23:30 <Eddi|zuHause> latex is great if you find a decent template 22:35:32 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 600 seconds] 22:39:43 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:40:03 <__ln__> and the coffee stains 22:43:27 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Quit: Good bye] 22:46:33 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbabeea.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:19 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA248.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:02:38 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:17 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-228.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:25 <__ln__> http://www.techeye.net/security/laptop-containing-possible-cancer-cure-stolen-in-oklahoma 23:10:30 *** Fenris [~fenris@p5DC6B18B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 23:13:27 *** JOHN_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-127-24.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 23:18:02 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:46 <Eddi|zuHause> who the hell still has no backups these days? 23:19:38 <Ammler> ist halt auch ein Sicherheitsrisiko 23:20:47 <Eddi|zuHause> also: how do two people get along with using only one laptop? 23:21:14 <Ammler> oh, it is the "English Channel" :-P 23:22:02 <__ln__> Ammler: no, no, the English Channel is between France and Britain 23:23:23 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:46:28 *** Zatman [62fc9312@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:48:17 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 23:51:47 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d083fb3.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:37 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-90-33.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:54:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:56:21 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-64-33.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:58:46 *** DDR_ [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd