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00:00:31 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:15 <Eddi|zuHause> (the readme would then tell people that setting scenario_developer or newgrf_developer will disable this) 00:06:45 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-64-33.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:10:30 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r21799 /trunk/src/saveload/oldloader_sl.cpp: -Fix: further variables need to be reset when we loaded a TTDPatch savegame in the past 00:11:17 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 00:15:30 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> h 00:16:29 <Eddi|zuHause> is there any chance we could get a "new vehicle available" newspaper when a new wagon gets available? 00:17:04 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Quit: Good bye] 00:17:44 <Lakie> Rubidium: with cb157, if its handled do I now need to havndle bit 4? 00:18:01 <Lakie> ie. do I have to check for steep slopes now? 00:20:45 <Wolf01> 'night 00:21:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host210-236-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:22:51 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: hmm, isn't that what is happening? 00:23:26 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: last time i played, you only got messages for engines, wagons were silently added to the buy list 00:24:29 <Eddi|zuHause> to be fair, this may have been like a year ago 00:25:15 <frosch123> yeah, you are right 00:25:28 <frosch123> but i remember it was different once 00:26:51 <__ln__> "but then i woke up"? 00:28:59 <Eddi|zuHause> it was never different 00:29:12 <Eddi|zuHause> just in the original game no wagons ever got available 00:29:43 <frosch123> i remember news about wagons, they were quite annoying, because they were lot and in a short period of time 00:29:50 <Eddi|zuHause> or actually, they do. for maglev and monorail 00:30:26 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: maybe that was in the patch? 00:30:44 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: or maybe you think road vehicles 00:32:13 <__ln__> the news popups are decided not to be annoying by DarkVater, so they are not annoying. 00:34:12 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:35:02 <frosch123> @commit 115 00:35:02 <DorpsGek> frosch123: Commit by dominik :: r115 /trunk (engine.c table/engines.h) (2004-08-23 07:50:01 UTC) 00:35:03 <DorpsGek> frosch123: Fix: monorail/maglev became available around 1927 00:35:14 <frosch123> weird commit message, but that one adds the wagon-check 00:36:36 <frosch123> so yes, in that case i likely remembered ttdp 00:37:10 <frosch123> as i discovered ottd around a half year after that 00:37:25 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 00:37:33 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> :) 00:37:35 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> nice 00:37:39 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> maglev in 1927 00:38:43 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED662EB.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 00:39:33 <frosch123> anyway, night 00:39:37 *** frosch123 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<LordAro> Terkhen: still setting up kvirc :) 07:53:37 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:54:15 <Terkhen> hmm? unless you want SSL you just have to install and open it 07:54:35 <LordAro> setting up as in making it look how i want 07:54:44 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 07:54:55 <Terkhen> oh 07:55:09 <Terkhen> I just chose the most simple of the available themes and forgot about that 07:58:56 <LordAro> good point that... 07:59:03 * LordAro does the same 08:26:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.150.153.49] has joined #openttd 08:26:47 <andythenorth> trams http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?popular=24 08:27:02 <andythenorth> http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=351563 08:32:09 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-105.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 08:36:20 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:37:35 *** andythenorth 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<Rubidium> rsync 09:20:24 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 09:24:17 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: did you try increasing the blocksize? 09:24:38 <dihedral> actually no :-P 09:25:16 <dihedral> was that a 'try that' or 'don't try that' hint 09:25:37 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: i don't see why that should hurt... 09:30:53 <dihedral> hmm - does not take me over 3 M/s 09:30:57 <dihedral> it's a start though 09:42:00 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.150.160.56] has joined #openttd 09:42:44 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:45:16 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.150.160.56] has quit [] 09:45:49 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.43.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:46:13 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.150.160.56] has joined #openttd 09:46:25 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.150.160.56] has quit [] 09:51:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:53:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21800 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: 09:53:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#3569]: under certain circumstances one could crash a competitor's 09:53:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: train; take the lazy non-future proof version of the fix from the 1.0 branch as 09:53:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: fixing the real bug is significantly more complex and might even break some 09:53:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: backwards compatability if not done perfectly 10:04:05 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:04:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 10:04:55 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.43.207] has joined #openttd 10:06:16 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.150.160.56] has joined #openttd 10:06:39 <Alberth> moin 10:06:46 <dihedral> hello Alberth 10:06:59 <andythenorth> moin 10:07:06 <andythenorth> 'moin' is contagious :P 10:09:23 <Terkhen> :) 10:12:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it has been "thriving" over the last 50 or so years ;) 10:12:33 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-16-166.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:15:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr 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[~KenjiE20@92.8.108.23] has joined #openttd 11:36:36 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC22B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:37:10 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:41:17 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:47:37 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.25.164] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:18 *** nicfer1 [~nicfer@190.50.52.102] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:19 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.25.164] has joined #openttd 11:53:18 *** LordAro_ [~LordAro@host217-43-106-142.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:53:40 <ZirconiumX> so which LordAro is the Lord Aro? 11:55:36 * ZirconiumX is confused 11:58:23 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host217-43-106-142.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:58:26 <planetmaker> hm... http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/51/ <-- if I now try to build a wind powerplant next to another existing one, the error message I get is 'object cannot be build. Land slopes in wrong direction' 11:58:40 <planetmaker> that's... somewhat not correct. Any way to change the error message via newgrf? 11:59:07 <ZirconiumX> so that's the correct Lord Aro 11:59:23 <planetmaker> ZirconiumX: ZirconiumX ZirconiumX 11:59:31 <planetmaker> just to add a few random, annoying highlights 11:59:46 <ZirconiumX> yes - but there isn't a ZirconiumX\_ 12:00:25 * ZirconiumX doesn't mind the highlights - isn't doing much anyway 12:00:50 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:01:01 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:03:33 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 12:09:47 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:10:59 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 12:17:18 *** KouDy [~KouDy@245.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has joined #openttd 12:22:28 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:23:07 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc3939.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:23:08 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc6be.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:26:26 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 12:32:17 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-90-33.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:38:52 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:38:59 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 12:41:46 <dihedral> planetmaker, that was just one highlight :-P 12:47:04 <George> Do houses in arctic require food to grow if no food cargo is defined? 12:50:36 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d0860b3.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:37 <planetmaker> iirc, yes 12:50:59 <planetmaker> though it might then require just the cargo which food is replaced by. 12:51:08 <planetmaker> But you can re-define the town growth cargo via newgrf 12:51:26 <planetmaker> which you should, if you meddle with food 12:52:26 <planetmaker> the question only is: is it more a house newgrf thing or more and industry newgrf thing. Best is that both take care of it 13:05:28 <Eddi|zuHause> you can give any cargo TE_FOOD 13:06:36 <Eddi|zuHause> George: alpine has that problem, it removes food, and doesn't provide any replacement, so towns above snow line won't grow 13:06:44 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:06:45 <Eddi|zuHause> (unless you fund new buildings) 13:19:43 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:548c:e381:e58c:6485] has joined #openttd 13:19:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:19:49 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:32:25 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.150.156.82] has joined #openttd 13:37:24 <planetmaker> andythenorth: you may know some of those sprites ;-) http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=52396 13:37:50 <andythenorth> planetmaker: :0 13:37:58 <andythenorth> you should credit Zephyris for the turbines ;) 13:38:05 <andythenorth> all I did was sort out the animation frames :) 13:38:20 <planetmaker> hm, did you? Hm... I thought it was all yours 13:38:30 <andythenorth> no :) 13:38:34 <andythenorth> easily fixed 13:38:54 <planetmaker> well. changed the posting 13:41:00 <planetmaker> also changed docs 13:42:22 <planetmaker> thanks for telling me :-) Credit shall be whom credit is due 14:07:01 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:07:16 * ZirconiumX goes source grabbing racing 14:10:21 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:10:43 <kamnet> Question on opengrx+landscape, are the windmills supposed to face due-west into the wind? 14:13:46 <dihedral> is that not normal? 14:13:58 * ZirconiumX doesn't know 14:15:26 <kamnet> I don't know either. Never been near a windmill of any kind myself, but I'd think that the blades would be lined up west-to-east. 14:15:42 * ZirconiumX disagrees 14:16:34 <ZirconiumX> the wind varies, so one moment the wind might be SE, the next it's E 14:16:35 <frosch123> hint: windmill turn themself into the wind, they are not fixed 14:16:44 <planetmaker> kamnet: they're correct, if you consider the coal powerplant smoke 14:17:25 <planetmaker> and that smoke is what I consider the dominant wind direction in OpenTTD ;-) 14:17:28 <kamnet> lol 14:17:43 <planetmaker> well. yes 14:18:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21801 /trunk/src/object_gui.cpp: -Fix (r21772): Attach scrollbar to select matrix in object gui. 14:18:21 <planetmaker> check out the ECS newgrfs and you'll find that wind direction everywhere ;-) 14:19:55 <kamnet> In ECS Vectors 1.0? 14:20:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r21802 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Cleanup (r2600): remove unused _vehicle_id_ctr_day 14:23:46 <dihedral> planetmaker, and windsocks at the airfields 14:24:14 <planetmaker> dihedral: that's working in the reverse direction ;-) 14:24:23 * dihedral bought a 500GB esata 2.5" hdd :-) 14:24:24 <planetmaker> but the flame of the refinery 14:24:51 <dihedral> planetmaker, why would windsocks work in the reverse direction? 14:25:11 <planetmaker> just look at the graphics. They simply _are_. Not that it makes sense 14:25:32 * kamnet fixed the windsocks, actually 14:25:55 * ZirconiumX thinks life doesn't make sense 14:26:07 <planetmaker> yeah :-) But I didn't yet get around to fixing it in OpenGFX. And it was agreed that it should not be fixed in the TTD baseset 14:26:31 <dihedral> it should be fixed in opengfx if you ask me :-P 14:26:40 <planetmaker> ... yes, of course 14:26:44 <dihedral> well, unless it gives sidewind to the runways :-P 14:26:59 <dihedral> or lets planes start and land downwind :-D 14:27:06 <planetmaker> and as just said: kamnet even fixed the graphics so far. It needs *someone* to actually implement it 14:27:41 <planetmaker> and unfortunately there's currently only about one *someone* who actually codes OpenGFX, though there's sufficient sprites for at least two *someone*s 14:29:32 <andythenorth> BAH 14:29:36 <andythenorth> smoke for ships :( 14:32:00 <andythenorth> Dan MacK drew a paddle steamer :) 14:32:01 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/paddle_steamer.png 14:32:39 <kamnet> That looks nice! 14:34:21 <andythenorth> needs smoke :) 14:36:16 <frosch123> planetmaker: ask fred, maybe he helps out :p 14:36:44 <andythenorth> can't fred code smoke instead? 14:37:03 * ZirconiumX thinks the welders did a ba job of the smokestack 14:37:08 <ZirconiumX> *bad 14:37:29 <planetmaker> uhm... is there a dent in the ship, andythenorth ? 14:38:04 * ZirconiumX thinks they forgot how to do the sides as well 14:38:41 <planetmaker> it looks like there's a dent where the water(?) smoke(?) ends about mid-ship 14:39:09 <ZirconiumX> the ship looks like a seabourne cursor 14:39:30 <SmatZ> nice, if you start a script by "$!/bin/bash" instead if "#!/bin/bash", it will start a new shell and you will wonder why the script doesn't work... 14:39:52 <ZirconiumX> heh 14:40:08 <ZirconiumX> have you heard the infamous UNIX rule 14:40:27 <SmatZ> I don't know :) 14:40:42 <Terkhen> :D 14:40:52 <ZirconiumX> BTW in configure in the source, how do you give a path to the library? 14:41:08 <ZirconiumX> UNIX believes you...Unfortunately 14:41:16 <ZirconiumX> Let me demonstrate 14:41:32 <Terkhen> I don't remember, but it is listed at ./configure --help 14:41:42 <ZirconiumX> if you writes the command 14:41:57 <ZirconiumX> ls -al > file.txt 14:42:02 <ZirconiumX> it does that 14:42:13 <ZirconiumX> what if your finger slips? 14:42:35 <ZirconiumX> ls -al < file.txt 14:42:57 <ZirconiumX> you may get lucky 14:43:08 <ZirconiumX> In BASH it gives up 14:43:13 *** Aali [~aali@h-185-102.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:43:25 *** Aali [~aali@h-185-102.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 14:44:15 <SmatZ> :) 14:44:30 * Alberth fails to see the problem 14:44:33 <ZirconiumX> If you do 14:44:55 <ZirconiumX> patch -p0 < file.diff 14:45:01 <ZirconiumX> and slip 14:45:16 <ZirconiumX> patch -p0 > file.diff 14:45:24 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 14:45:26 <SmatZ> :D 14:45:41 <SmatZ> he probably tried to redirect something 14:45:42 <planetmaker> lalalala :-) 14:45:47 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:45:51 <SmatZ> :P 14:46:10 <SmatZ> well, yes redirecting stdin instead of stdout can cause various problems 14:46:21 <SmatZ> including destroying your entire work 14:46:26 <Alberth> adding an extra space is much more fun :) 14:46:32 <ZirconiumX> see Alberth 14:46:49 <Alberth> rm ./x* vs rm ./x * :) 14:46:53 <SmatZ> :) 14:47:02 <planetmaker> :-D 14:47:12 <ZirconiumX> what about moving to a directory called budget backup 14:47:19 * frosch123 once typed rm instead of cp 14:47:23 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.25.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:47:34 <planetmaker> :-P was not fun, eh? 14:47:38 <ZirconiumX> but you have a precious file called budget? 14:47:39 <frosch123> and wondered why the usb stick was empty later 14:47:51 <SmatZ> :D 14:47:59 <ZirconiumX> rm budget backup 14:48:00 <Alberth> and I am always tempted to make a file called * in some one else home directory :) 14:48:08 <frosch123> i only discovered it an hour later when examining the history on the other computer :) 14:48:09 <SmatZ> hehe 14:48:24 <Alberth> ZirconiumX: file-completion fixes that nicely 14:48:39 <ZirconiumX> rm blows away budget, and leaves the useless file budget backup 14:48:50 <dihedral> Alberth, \* ? 14:49:07 <Alberth> if you know your way around unix, yes 14:49:13 * ZirconiumX has just hung BASH using the wrong redirection trick 14:49:15 <dihedral> i had a file named -r ones :-P 14:49:24 <Alberth> but several newbies would first try rm * :) 14:49:31 <dihedral> hehe 14:49:34 <ZirconiumX> rmdir -r 14:49:37 <ZirconiumX> lol 14:49:48 <dihedral> rmdir?? 14:49:55 * Terkhen recommends suicide linux 14:49:59 <SmatZ> :) 14:50:03 <ZirconiumX> ReMove DIRectory 14:50:08 <Alberth> rmdir has no -r option 14:50:23 <Terkhen> and IIRC it does not remove directories unless they are empty 14:50:34 <Alberth> yeah, way too much protection :) 14:51:33 * ZirconiumX thought rmdir had a -r(ecursive) option 14:51:43 <planetmaker> hehe 14:51:48 <planetmaker> we know _that_ 14:52:19 <ZirconiumX> go to csh 14:52:24 <ZirconiumX> cd ~god 14:52:28 <ZirconiumX> :p 14:52:46 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:52:49 <ZirconiumX> csh: unknown user: god 14:53:05 <Alberth> zsh: no such user or named directory: god 14:53:40 <dihedral> oh dear lord 14:53:41 <ZirconiumX> doesn't work for bash 14:53:43 <planetmaker> it's only worrysome if you don't find god but devil 14:53:49 <dihedral> i prefer going to ~superuser :-D 14:53:58 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B6ADA.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:54:09 <dihedral> if there is a devil there is a god :-p 14:54:12 <ZirconiumX> darwin is annoying 14:54:28 <dihedral> why would that be 14:54:30 <ZirconiumX> you have to do sudo su to get intos superuser mode 14:54:58 <ZirconiumX> su has *always* failed when I try plain su 14:54:59 <Alberth> just a matter of configuring your system 14:55:11 <dihedral> :-) 14:55:15 <dihedral> what Alberth says 14:55:22 <planetmaker> :(){ :|:&};: <-- is a good bash command, too ;-) 14:55:33 * ZirconiumX wonders what the superuser password is for a non superuser system 14:55:44 <Alberth> * 14:55:46 <Terkhen> root/root? 14:55:46 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 14:55:51 <dihedral> eh? what? 14:55:54 <planetmaker> ZirconiumX: there's no such system... 14:56:06 <ZirconiumX> yes 14:56:11 <ZirconiumX> csh 14:56:17 <SmatZ> :-) 14:56:23 * dihedral is amused :-D 14:56:29 <planetmaker> :-) 14:56:31 <ZirconiumX> /(- 14:56:33 <Terkhen> isn't that a shell? 14:56:37 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B6ADA.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:56:41 <planetmaker> Terkhen: it is 14:56:43 <dihedral> what os do you have? - bash! 14:56:54 <ZirconiumX> He sells C shells on the C shore 14:56:58 <planetmaker> emacs, dihedral ! 14:57:06 <Terkhen> oh :P 14:57:07 <planetmaker> I'm just lacking a good editor. 14:57:14 <ZirconiumX> I use pico 14:57:19 <ZirconiumX> sorry nano 14:57:21 <Alberth> vim! :) 14:57:28 <dihedral> vim 14:57:34 <dihedral> nano - pfft 14:57:45 <dihedral> fte is interesting too, very small 14:57:55 * ZirconiumX wouldn't use ed if his life depended on it 14:58:12 * ZirconiumX woulduse EDLIN instead 14:58:16 <planetmaker> easy saying, if it doesn't 14:58:31 <ZirconiumX> EDLIN is a DOS editor 14:58:40 <ZirconiumX> macs don't run dos 14:58:47 <ZirconiumX> :p 14:59:04 <SmatZ> you can run dosbox 14:59:04 <dihedral> dosbox 14:59:08 <SmatZ> haha :P 14:59:11 <dihedral> grr SmatZ you beat me to it 14:59:18 <dihedral> ^^ 14:59:24 <planetmaker> :-) 14:59:46 <ZirconiumX> csh again 14:59:47 <ZirconiumX> make ' ' bang ' ' with gun 14:59:58 <ZirconiumX> make: don't know how to make target 15:00:07 <ZirconiumX> http://www.tbi.univie.ac.at/~ronke/FUN/unix.html 15:00:13 * planetmaker wonders whether "python -c 'while 1: __import__("os").fork()'" will have any effect on ZirconiumX's computer :-P 15:00:48 * Alberth guesses it does 15:01:28 <ZirconiumX> IT slows it down 15:01:39 <ZirconiumX> but luckily it quits afterwards 15:01:42 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.150.156.82] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:01:59 * ZirconiumX bashes bash 15:02:13 * dihedral laughs :-P 15:02:23 <ZirconiumX> hah 15:02:28 <dihedral> try the following 15:02:37 <ZirconiumX> bash bash 15:02:45 <ZirconiumX> bash: /bin/bash: cannot execute binary file 15:02:57 <ZirconiumX> can't open bash 15:03:10 <dihedral> sudo su -c "echo 1 > /dev/kmem" 15:03:11 <dihedral> :-D 15:03:13 <dihedral> hehehe 15:03:32 <planetmaker> doesn't look healthy ;-) 15:03:32 <dihedral> and then i'd very quickly remove power from the computer 15:03:37 <dihedral> it's not 15:03:39 <dihedral> far from it 15:03:45 <dihedral> if ZirconiumX times out - he tried it 15:03:51 * ZirconiumX daren't as it contains su 15:04:12 <planetmaker> hm, ZirconiumX you got 10.4,x right? so, on ppc, they didn't have yet bash, but tsh or alike? 15:04:18 <dihedral> if that is all that is stopping you - give me a few moments :-P 15:04:31 <Alberth> just sudo would be enough? 15:04:41 <dihedral> planetmaker, it's bash - or a version thereof 15:04:48 <planetmaker> ? 15:04:51 *** bb10 [~bb10@bb10x.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:04:52 *** bb10 [~bb10@bb10x.org] has joined #openttd 15:04:53 <ZirconiumX> 10.2 used tcsh 15:04:56 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@kamina.ldn1.uk.e43.eu] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:05:01 <planetmaker> dihedral: IIRC the default bash is not bash on 10.4 15:05:04 <Alberth> oh joy 15:05:13 <dihedral> i have 10.4 15:05:24 <planetmaker> at least I just had to fix something on the macbook of my japanese collegue - and I was flabergasted at the shell... 15:05:25 <dihedral> hmmm - perhaps i changed it to bash 15:05:25 <ZirconiumX> 10.3 becomes BASH 15:05:26 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@2002:6d4a:c7b0::1] has joined #openttd 15:05:44 <planetmaker> well, maybe she changed default, but given her skills with the machine, I doubt it. 15:05:46 <dihedral> well it is a little different 15:06:06 <dihedral> those who you doubt to change something, are quite good at doing so without even knowing it 15:06:09 * ZirconiumX is annoyed 15:06:17 <planetmaker> he, also true, dihedral ;-) 15:06:18 * ZirconiumX wants fish on darwin 15:06:36 * ZirconiumX is a noob because of it 15:06:41 <dihedral> ZirconiumX, then shake your hdd while its running - there, you do not need sudo su for that :-p 15:07:19 * ZirconiumX knows how to fix this 15:07:47 * ZirconiumX puts computer in pond, grabs rod and waits 15:08:22 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:08:31 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 15:08:34 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 15:08:37 <planetmaker> now you all annoyed DorpsGek ;-) 15:09:23 <kamnet> Hm, for my bauxite mine, should I have a loader right at the mine, or should I use HEQS to haul the bauxite 20-30 tiles to a loading station? 15:09:35 *** SpComb^ [terom@zerg.fixme.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:09:36 *** SpComb^ [terom@zerg.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 15:09:42 <ZirconiumX> right at the mine 15:10:49 <kamnet> Trying to decide how much land transforming I want to do to fit a loader in there 15:11:46 <planetmaker> none ;-) 15:12:01 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:12:08 *** blathijs [matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:12:09 *** blathijs [matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 15:12:21 *** avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:12:22 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/fs_eddi.diff <- interested in finishing that? too tedious for me... 15:12:28 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: ^^ 15:12:40 *** PierreW_ [sbnc@bnc.peterbox.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:12:41 *** PierreW [sbnc@bnc.peterbox.net] has joined #openttd 15:12:43 <kamnet> The mine is nestled in a small valley next to a chemical plant, a furniture factory and a farm 15:12:56 <ZirconiumX> all the more better 15:13:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not really the "finishing" guy... 15:13:33 <kamnet> I've got 5 tiles right next to the farm where I could squeeze one in, but then the train has to go on a two-tile incline to get out of the valley 15:13:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and i'm not here either... 15:13:44 <frosch123> well.. you can play with that diff, but the first user will file a bug report about the news message :) 15:14:11 <kamnet> And then 8 tiles away from there I have another 5-tile space where I can put a loader, but the train has to climb a two-tile incline to get to it 15:14:34 <kamnet> But 20 tiles away it's plenty of level land 15:15:04 <ZirconiumX> add 2 locos 15:15:58 <Chris_Booth> or buy more powerful locos or flatern the land 15:16:09 <Chris_Booth> or turn on realistic acceleration if it is off 15:16:20 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:16:23 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.25.164] has joined #openttd 15:17:04 <kamnet> Or I could use industrial trams to get it out of the valley... 15:18:14 <ZirconiumX> using transfer, you can lose some money 15:18:38 <kamnet> I'm playing more for looks than profit. 15:19:09 *** Fenris [~fenris@p5DC6AD89.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:19:12 <ZirconiumX> getting round the mountain will certainly be realistic 15:20:32 *** Osai [~Osai@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:20:50 *** tneo [~tneo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:21:19 *** Osai [~Osai@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:21:20 *** tneo [~tneo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:21:37 <dihedral> why people do not get that 'realistic' does not exist in OpenTTD 15:21:56 <kamnet> Or I can... dynamite this steel mill that's in a place where I'll never be able to realistically get metal to, re-route a roadway and then be able to find space to put my loader and run my rail lines. 15:22:52 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-127-24.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 15:28:26 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:29:48 *** LordAro_ [~LordAro@host217-43-106-142.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:34:53 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host217-43-106-142.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:35:42 <kamnet> 100% realism doesn't exist, but "more realistic" certainly isn't out of the question 15:36:31 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host217-43-106-142.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36:42 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 15:36:51 <kamnet> Of course if I wanted to be more realistic then I'd just build rails all over the place like they do in real life and not give any concern to the environment :D 15:36:52 <planetmaker> but 'more realistic' is not a design goal. Only 'more fun' or 'easier to understand' 15:37:11 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r21803 /trunk/src/ (13 files in 3 dirs): -Cleanup: Remove unnecessary semicolons. 15:37:36 <kamnet> As a design for the game mechanics itself, no. But for game play, it's realistic. 15:38:05 <Zuu> kamnet: By the way your music pack is really nice :-) 15:38:21 <kamnet> Well, don't thank me, thank Scott Joplin... well, if he was living. 15:43:12 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:48:23 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:48:25 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 15:49:19 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 15:50:11 <DanMacK> Hey all 15:50:18 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has joined #openttd 15:50:32 <kamnet> Hey hey 15:51:29 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r21804 /trunk/src/ (console_cmds.cpp vehicle.cpp vehicle_func.h): -Remove [FS#4409]: the 'stopall' console command, as its functionality was broken. Group start/stop commands can be used instead 15:56:32 *** DJNekkid [~DJ___Nekk@static128-249.mimer.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:56:43 *** DJNekkid [~DJ___Nekk@static128-249.mimer.net] has joined #openttd 15:58:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r21805 /trunk/src/ (dock_gui.cpp table/sprites.h): -Codechange: Correct a typo. 16:08:15 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA0AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:08:40 <dihedral> if you ask me, 'more realistic' is silly, as a game defines it's own 'realism' 16:09:34 <dihedral> 'building realisticly' is merely a way to describe what one favours 16:16:38 <frosch123> how does dihedralish building look like? 16:16:54 <Terkhen> it look dihedralish 16:16:59 <frosch123> or dihedralic? 16:17:57 <Prof_Frink> Dihydraulic? 16:17:58 <Terkhen> dihedralistic 16:18:31 <Rubidium> frosch123: two "towers" with the same base on a diverging path? 16:19:26 <Terkhen> :D 16:20:42 <frosch123> sounds dangerous 16:24:01 <Terkhen> http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/patches/index.php?source=buoy_typo.diff <--- should I avoid changing ancient changelogs? 16:24:04 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:24:07 <Rubidium> http://www.faqs.org/photo-dict/photofiles/list/3161/13279suspension_bridge.jpg <- you might classify that as an upside down dihedral 16:24:24 <frosch123> Terkhen: they were changed numerous times 16:24:29 <Rubidium> Terkhen: nah, I fix typos and such in the changelog all the time 16:24:32 <Terkhen> ok :) 16:26:23 <dihedral> upside down dihedral? 16:26:30 <dihedral> are you referring to an 'anhedral' :-P 16:27:13 <Rubidium> pff... ;) 16:27:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r21806 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Correct additional appearances of the same typo. 16:27:48 <Rubidium> I seem to remember seeing a dihedral bridge, just can't remember where 16:29:15 <dihedral> you can see dihedrals all over the place 16:29:20 <dihedral> esp in aerospace :-) 16:30:30 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 16:31:05 <dihedral> welcome Adambean 16:31:15 <Adambean> hi 16:33:02 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-223-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:33:22 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-223-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:36:26 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFEBFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:36:43 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFEBFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:36:54 <dihedral> what linux tool do people in this channel use for backup 16:37:47 <Rubidium> dihedral: "Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" 16:38:02 <dihedral> lol 16:38:12 <dihedral> i have a tape drive :-D 16:38:24 *** neli [micha@112-231.ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:38:25 *** neli [micha@112-231.ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:38:31 <dihedral> but i do not use it currently 16:38:49 <Rubidium> though... rsync 16:39:00 <planetmaker> dihedral: a custom-written shell script with tar and cp works wonders - called via crontab 16:39:18 <dihedral> i have no crontab on my laptop :-) 16:39:44 *** Markk [~mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:39:48 *** Markk [~mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has joined #openttd 16:41:53 *** mib_i0um4s [5857f72a@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:45:58 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:47:15 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 16:51:25 *** mib_i0um4s [5857f72a@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:54:21 <fjb> dihedral: dump and restore. 16:56:54 *** Doorslammer [770b0a54@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:57:01 <dihedral> i should add, mounted filesystem :-P 16:59:40 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 16:59:46 <dihedral> for dump / restore or dd i could always boot from another medium - but i'd like to avoid having to boot something other than the currently running system 17:01:46 <Zuu> hmm, when I've joined a MP game using beta3, I can't see the GRF parameters of eg. BaseCosts Mod. 17:02:17 <Zuu> Shouldn't I be able to have read access to them trough the NewGRF dialog? 17:04:17 <dihedral> heh 17:06:28 <Zuu> By the look of the railways on the #openttdcoop welcome server it looks like terraforming is expansive. :-) 17:06:39 *** Doorslammer [770b0a54@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:07:40 <Alberth> yeah, expanding dirt costs money 17:08:53 <planetmaker> Zuu: give it a shot. But: yes. And that's not the only expensive thing there ;-) 17:10:51 <planetmaker> Zuu: yes, the parameter view is problematic, I agree. You could give http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/show_param.diff a shot - but I'm not satisfied with it yet 17:13:27 <planetmaker> and... actually I wanted to ask Alberth for advice there... ^ 17:13:56 <planetmaker> I fail to disable the widgets in the parameter window, it seems I'm missing something obvious. But... where? 17:14:20 <Zuu> At first glance the code looked good to me, but aparently there is some issues. 17:15:36 <planetmaker> well. The widget disabled state doesn't show. Which I'd like to see added before I commit it 17:15:59 <planetmaker> i.e. all widgets should show as disabled in the parameter window when showing without edit rights 17:16:01 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.52.102] has joined #openttd 17:16:04 <Zuu> Hmm, I don't see you setting the widget disabled state in the constructor. 17:16:18 <Zuu> based on the "enabled" member. 17:16:38 <Zuu> But I have so far only read the patch, not applied it to trunk. 17:17:32 <planetmaker> well, yes, the patch does not contain anything in that respect now. As it failed to work whereever I tried to add it. The most ovious place to me is "OnInvalidateData" 17:18:34 <Alberth> does this->SetWidgetDirty(GRFPAR_WIDGET_NUMPAR_DEC); this->SetWidgetDirty(..._INC); help? 17:19:34 <Zuu> But the code in OnInvalidateData only runs if action 14 is not present. So if you have action14 present, the code will not run. 17:20:30 <Alberth> OnInvalidateData() is used for notifying changes while the window is open, does 'edit' change? 17:20:48 <planetmaker> no, it doesn't change. 17:21:18 * Alberth looks for a place to apply the patch 17:21:58 <planetmaker> There's no InvalidateData function - which is called on init. 17:22:01 <Zuu> btw, is the patch for any specific revision or is simply last revision good enough? 17:22:10 <planetmaker> maybe I need to define that 17:22:14 <planetmaker> Zuu: works for trunk here 17:22:28 <Alberth> 'trunk' is normally last revision 17:23:48 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has joined #openttd 17:26:26 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:34:48 *** Adambean` [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:26 <Alberth> 'show parameters' in the newgrf gui also doesn't seem to be disabled when no newgrf is selected 17:36:32 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:36:45 <planetmaker> yes 17:36:51 <planetmaker> for similar reasons 17:37:46 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-105.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:27 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.108.23] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40:22 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.108.23] has joined #openttd 17:42:49 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 17:44:48 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.150.156.82] has joined #openttd 17:48:01 <Zuu> As for the record, visual studio fails to compile current trunk + the show_params patch. 17:48:13 <planetmaker> oh? 17:49:56 <Zuu> Compile log: http://pastebin.com/scZSFkay 17:50:20 <__ln__> I see only linking errors. 17:50:31 <Zuu> Yes 17:50:45 <Zuu> And they don't even look related to the patch. 17:51:16 <Zuu> I would suspect a new essential pack, but I've already upgraded to 4.0. 17:51:19 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100423140709]] 17:51:35 <Rubidium> did you recently update some libraries or something? 17:52:15 <planetmaker> doesn't look related indeed 17:52:21 <Zuu> No. But it was quite some time since last I compiled OpenTTD. 17:52:31 <planetmaker> he 17:52:47 <Rubidium> in any case, lets see what my MSVC says about it 17:52:54 <Rubidium> (without patch) 17:52:59 *** fjb is now known as Guest359 17:53:00 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFD80A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:54:05 <Zuu> ... recompiling without patch .. 17:54:59 <fjb> "<dihedral> i should add, mounted filesystem :-P" <- dump -L (live file system) on FreeBSD 17:55:35 <Rubidium> without patch it compiles fine 17:56:07 <dihedral> fjb, dumping with dump or dd on a mounted partition / disk is idiotic!! 17:56:27 <fjb> Why is it idiotic? 17:56:44 <Terkhen> I can compile trunk fine with MSVC 2010 too 17:56:48 <Eddi|zuHause> <dihedral> i have no crontab on my laptop :-) <-- init scripts work as well... can decide whether run on startup or on shutdown 17:56:56 <planetmaker> I don't think the patch causes trouble 17:57:07 <Zuu> I get linking errors also without patch, so I guess my building environment is broken for OpenTTD at the moment. 17:57:18 <Rubidium> just rebuild the whole project first ;) 17:58:16 <dihedral> fjb, you do understand how these things work, right? 17:58:18 <planetmaker> But I'm still lost, why setting the disabled state in OnInvalidateData has no effect... - it's called in both, NewGRFGUI as well as parameter window in the constructor. 17:58:41 <fjb> dihedral: I do. Do you? So why is it idiotic? 17:59:02 <andythenorth> the paddle steamer is modelled from this (but with two funnels) http://lh5.ggpht.com/_7Y1_ca7A9ew/SlEVHH9bN9I/AAAAAAAACW8/59VHJ7g-zss/DSC00378.JPG 17:59:02 <dihedral> because there is a large risk of data loss 17:59:27 <dihedral> where 'large' is relative to the purpose of creating such a disk image 17:59:58 *** Guest359 [~frank@p5DDFEBFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:18 <fjb> dihedral: There is no risk, because dump -L takes a file system snapshot first and dumps that snapshot. 18:00:21 <dihedral> the possibiliy of one app writing to the disk and nother app trying to read block for block and making an exact copy of the drive ... 18:00:47 <dihedral> oh my word :-P 18:00:51 <Alberth> planetmaker: why are there two SNGRFS_SET_PARAMETERS widgets? 18:01:00 <dihedral> fjb, thank you for your hint, and no think you ;-) 18:01:23 <Rubidium> the close button doesn't seem to work either 18:01:24 <fjb> dihedral: So no risk but clever tool. 18:01:26 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: file system snapshots don't tend to fit into any kind of memory 18:02:03 <Rubidium> planetmaker: the "Remove" button has become some 50% bigger as well 18:02:04 <Alberth> just make enough swap :) 18:02:14 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: The snapshot resides on disk. Changed sectors get new allocated. 18:02:25 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: copy-on-write 18:03:59 <planetmaker> hm, two? they are in one version or the other of the window. Can't I do that? 18:04:20 <planetmaker> the other widgets seem to follow that, too. Or... did I mess that up? 18:04:45 <Alberth> afaik always all parts get loaded. 18:05:32 <planetmaker> Hm... then that might explain one thing 18:05:47 <Alberth> rendering follows the tree, while widget-accessing directly follows an array with pointers 18:06:07 <Zuu> Rubidium: Full recompile solved the issue. Thanks. 18:06:08 <Alberth> so the array should contain a hidden widget :) 18:06:26 <Zuu> Now if only generating the release exe file could complete as well :-D 18:06:45 <Rubidium> yeah, LTO takes long 18:06:47 <Alberth> the debug version is ebough :) 18:06:51 <Alberth> *enough 18:06:51 <Rubidium> but that's why it's LTO 18:07:21 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.150.156.82] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:07:34 <Zuu> For this patch I guess using a debug build is fast enough. 18:08:55 <planetmaker> that seems to go probably a long way, Alberth :-) 18:10:47 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc3939.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:11:29 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:14:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21807 /trunk/src/ (vehicle.cpp vehicle_base.h): -Codechange: split automatic order removal into a separate function (fonsinchen) 18:16:21 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the meaning of "Plan: normal" in "svn info"? 18:16:58 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21808 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix: don't create automatic orders when there are no manual orders (fonsinchen) 18:17:21 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: plan? 18:17:33 <Rubidium> did you try to translate something back to English? 18:17:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: no, this is the german text 18:18:22 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: http://svn.haxx.se/users/archive-2004-12/0659.shtml ? 18:19:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: aha. 18:19:17 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@31.93.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 18:19:18 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21809 /trunk/src/ (order_cmd.cpp vehicle.cpp): -Fix [FS#4404]: remove unreached automatic orders as well when reaching an ordered waypoint or depot (fonsinchen) 18:19:56 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: but i never noticed this entry before 18:22:54 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B6ADA.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:31 *** dageek [~dageek@11.74.155.90.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openttd 18:26:46 *** dageek [~dageek@11.74.155.90.in-addr.arpa] has quit [] 18:34:07 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:34:09 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 18:39:46 <peter1138> quick check 18:40:10 <peter1138> if i do fopen(file, "w") then fclose right after it 18:40:23 <peter1138> i'll get a 0 byte file, right? 18:40:44 <Rubidium> I'd expect that to happen 18:40:45 <Alberth> yes 18:42:16 <Zuu> planetmaker: I also noticed that the SHow Parameters button only work in loaded games, not from the load dialog. 18:42:46 <planetmaker> ho. I'll look at that, too. Thanks 18:44:01 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFD80A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r21810 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): 18:45:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 2 changes by VoyagerOne 18:45:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: estonian - 2 changes by notAbot 18:45:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: italian - 2 changes by lorenzodv 18:45:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: serbian - 4 changes by etran 18:45:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: spanish - 3 changes by Terkhen 18:46:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21811 /trunk/src/lang/croatian.txt: -Fix: guess what... 18:50:12 <peter1138> thanks 18:54:28 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFD80A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:03:43 *** andythenorth [~andy@2.98.177.104] has joined #openttd 19:09:06 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:09:28 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.25.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:14:44 *** mib_vubjbd [6d5b72b9@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:15:05 *** mib_vubjbd [6d5b72b9@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [] 19:19:33 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:20:30 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.25.164] has joined #openttd 19:26:22 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-127-24.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:45:24 <andythenorth> Terkhen: articulated ships? 19:45:27 <andythenorth> :P 19:46:19 <kamnet> tugboats! 19:47:31 <V453000> flying ships? 19:47:39 <V453000> wait airships are already there :( 19:48:13 <kamnet> If we ever get NewGRF Airports then we could possibly get ships that land on water 19:48:23 <kamnet> planes that land on water, even 19:49:35 <__ln__> how can i build an airship? 19:49:49 <planetmaker> called plimp? In a hangar. 19:49:50 <planetmaker> :-P 19:49:55 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.25.164] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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It should be gone by '06 but might hang aropund a bit longer 20:02:22 <__ln__> commercial concorde flights ended in 2000. 20:02:40 <DanMacK> they did... but TTD isn't exactly RL ;) 20:04:48 <__ln__> i witnessed a genuine zeppelin in the sky something like six years ago. 20:05:21 <Eddi|zuHause> most airships nowadays are blimps rather than zeppelins 20:06:20 <Eddi|zuHause> the difference being that blimps have an inflatable hull, while zeppelins have a fixed hull 20:06:37 <Eddi|zuHause> blimps are basically powered balloons 20:07:59 <__ln__> can't tell which one it was, but it was manufactured by Zeppelin 20:11:19 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 20:12:45 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:58 <__ln__> Terkhen: as i look at spanish.txt, i'm seeing dozens of sentences ending with '!' but not having a corresponding '¡' in the begin. 20:15:27 <Terkhen> andythenorth: that's complicated :P 20:15:53 <Terkhen> __ln__: good point, we omit the ¡ so frequently that I'm used to ignoring it 20:16:43 <Terkhen> I'll review them later 20:17:32 <__ln__> thanks 20:18:44 <Terkhen> thanks for telling me :) 20:19:10 *** Adambean` [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 20:21:22 <andythenorth> Terkhen: is it more complicated than the bazillion copy-and-paste operations I have to do to make tow boats + barges in photoshop? 20:21:41 <andythenorth> :P 20:21:48 <Terkhen> I don't know, I'm happily ignorant of how complicated that is 20:21:51 <andythenorth> he 20:21:56 <andythenorth> it's not complicated 20:22:01 <andythenorth> it's just pointlessly boring 20:22:04 <Terkhen> but it is probably more tedious :P 20:22:19 <andythenorth> at least coding is a bit interesting 20:23:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r21813 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#4411](r21720): Prevent crash when displaying the owner view. 20:23:34 <Terkhen> ^ except when you break stuff 20:23:43 <andythenorth> extra interesting then 20:24:24 <Terkhen> at this pace, I'm going to commit more fixes to r21720 than anything else 20:25:30 <Eddi|zuHause> new meaning of "commit early, commit often" :p 20:26:26 <Terkhen> :P 20:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause> # Well it's gonna be different now that I'm gone 20:34:02 <Eddi|zuHause> # To shot some aliens for kingdom and glory 20:34:03 <Eddi|zuHause> # For welfare and for life itself 20:37:35 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host217-43-106-142.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:38:20 * andythenorth observes a small problem with canal 20:38:27 <andythenorth> the boat is drawn over the fences 20:38:36 <andythenorth> this is a bit wrong :P 20:40:05 <SmatZ> FS#119 20:41:32 <__ln__> np: Leonard Nimoy - Ballad of Bilbo Baggins 20:42:11 <andythenorth> so the canal 'bank' sprite is drawn behind the boat 20:42:21 <andythenorth> even though it is a separate sprite 20:42:45 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: not particularly the best piece of music on the planet :p 20:42:59 <andythenorth> or am I wrong :P 20:43:06 * andythenorth looks for canal sprites 20:43:48 *** Fenris [~fenris@p5DC6AD89.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 20:43:58 <andythenorth> hmm 20:44:04 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: at least he sings, unlike Shatner on the same disc. :) 20:44:05 * andythenorth wonders how the sprite sorter works 20:44:11 * andythenorth will regret this :( 20:45:24 <SmatZ> yup 20:45:49 <__ln__> np: William Shatner - Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds 20:46:13 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: the strange thing is, although i have heard nimoy sing this in the past, i can't remember how it sounded. when i try to think about it, it sounds more like rudi carell 20:47:46 <Eddi|zuHause> (rudi carell is some weird dutch guy who somehow made it to fame on german television as singer/comedian) 20:47:51 <Terkhen> I have only heard him in the simpsons, and dubbed 20:48:33 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:50:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: apart from that song, i only heard nimoys real voice on fringe 20:53:22 *** lewymati [~lewymati@dynamic-78-8-7-159.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #openttd 20:56:18 <__ln__> he's on fringe? 20:59:16 * andythenorth ponders 20:59:26 <andythenorth> there's no way to keep wide ships out of canals :| 20:59:33 <andythenorth> eeees a problem 20:59:59 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: yeah, like three episodes or so 21:03:00 <Wolf01> uhm, waypoints don't show the selection toolbar 21:09:28 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: i'm still at s01e05 or something, should watch more. 21:09:45 <andythenorth> if someone produces alternate canal graphics that are narrower than ttd / opengfx, they're dumb yes/no? 21:11:47 <Rubidium> I'd say they're not dumb, after all they managed to create a NewGRF which is probably a measure to tell someone is not dumb 21:12:27 <Rubidium> though I see no problems with narrower (canal graphics) 21:12:40 <Rubidium> (narrower canal) graphics might be a problem though 21:13:51 <Rubidium> Lakie: what bit 4 were you talking about exactly? 21:14:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r21814 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Fix/Add: Check GRF version from action 8, and disallow usage of GRFs with versions above 7. 21:14:07 <andythenorth> let me put it differently :) 21:14:29 <andythenorth> canals which are not as wide are an instant problem w.r.t to boats in FISH 21:14:40 <andythenorth> so I'm choosing not to worry about that :) 21:15:57 <Lakie> cb157, var 10? 21:16:14 <Rubidium> that contains the tile slope 21:16:29 <Lakie> Aye, bit 4 being steep. 21:16:46 <Rubidium> hmm, yeah I guess so 21:16:50 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 21:18:14 <Lakie> Its ok, wally pointed out that if one has a cb157 which just returns ok, you can build on steep slopes, so I presumed that bit would need to be in the var 21:18:27 <andythenorth> just like real life, turns out locks are really the limiting factor on ship size :P 21:18:37 <andythenorth> so at last, the game is realistic :P 21:20:05 <Lakie> I don't mind that so much, so I just cloned the behaviour. 21:21:21 <Lakie> (bit 4 would have already been past in ttdpatch anyway) 21:41:48 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA0AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:45:03 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:548c:e381:e58c:6485] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:17 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:548c:e381:e58c:6485] has joined #openttd 21:47:48 *** clum [~clum@92.10.65.103] has joined #openttd 21:48:02 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:49:24 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@31.93.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: The bad thing about quit messages is that you never know how people react to them.] 22:09:28 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014]] 22:14:39 *** andythenorth [~andy@2.98.177.104] has left #openttd [] 22:39:19 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21815 /trunk/src/pathfinder/yapf/yapf_costrail.hpp: -Fix [FS#3908]: [YAPF] Apply a pathfinder penalty for back of one-way path signals so those aren't preferred over other possibilities 22:43:32 *** lewymati [~lewymati@dynamic-78-8-7-159.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:43:32 *** lewymati [~lewymati@dynamic-78-8-128-51.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #openttd 22:51:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: planetmaker * r21816 /trunk/ (known-bugs.txt src/rail_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#4378] (r14012): Allow dragging of combo signals (again) 23:00:37 <Wolf01> 'night 23:00:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host210-236-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:14:55 *** lewymati2 [~lewymati@dynamic-78-8-128-51.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #openttd 23:15:04 *** lewymati [~lewymati@dynamic-78-8-128-51.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:16:17 *** lewymati2 [~lewymati@dynamic-78-8-128-51.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [] 23:24:08 <Terkhen> good night 23:25:16 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc6be.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:30:09 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-147.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 23:30:33 <dihedral> @logs 23:30:33 <DorpsGek> dihedral: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 23:34:42 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 23:40:07 <dihedral> /*grf_version < 2 || */grf_version > 7 <- what does version 2 and 7 define? 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