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04:41:53 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep] 05:02:45 <Eddi|zuHause> by connecting a bot or library to it that can issue commands like you would through the server console or rcon 05:09:14 <bb10> is there any documentation on how to do that? :P 05:42:24 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:42:31 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77E40.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75B57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:04:44 *** jjc [~IceChat7@220-245-109-80.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:05:11 <jjc> Hello 06:05:43 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:06:14 <jjc> I have a question about openttd and Apple devices 06:08:43 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 06:09:29 <jjc> Never Mind about that question 06:09:34 <jjc> Thanks for the fish! 06:09:39 *** jjc [~IceChat7@220-245-109-80.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 06:33:41 <Rubidium> bb10: docs/admin_network.txt? 06:37:00 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 06:47:55 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:48:27 <bb10> Rubidium: sounds like something a programmer would use 06:50:45 <Rubidium> well yeah, the tools interfacing with that are still in development I think 06:52:41 <bb10> aha ok :) 06:52:55 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:52:58 <bb10> anything useable yet (alpha/beta)? 06:54:46 <Rubidium> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes ? 07:09:09 * bb10 scratches his head 07:15:38 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 07:17:34 <Terkhen> good morning 07:21:44 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:22:03 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e06ec12.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:22:49 <Rubidium> moi Terkhen 07:34:28 <planetmaker> moin 07:36:11 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:39:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AF69.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:43:34 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 07:44:26 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:48:42 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC22D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:49:05 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:18:23 *** DarkTomas [darktomas@95-89-124-102-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:19:34 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.56.91] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:37:47 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:03:47 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC22D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 09:10:16 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 09:10:16 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:10:18 *** ar3kaw is now known as ar3k 09:15:53 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:17:14 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 09:22:06 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 09:22:07 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:22:09 *** ar3kaw is now known as ar3k 09:24:39 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 09:25:08 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:28:21 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:28:30 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 09:33:19 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:35:04 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba92e8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:38:09 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 09:38:10 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:38:10 *** ar3kaw is now known as ar3k 09:42:07 <peter1138> stupid xorg... eating 25% cpu when i'm doing nothing :S 09:47:31 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:47:35 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 09:47:37 *** ar3kaw is now known as ar3k 09:48:56 <dihedral> good morning 09:53:02 <peter1138> not really 09:53:06 <peter1138> pissing down :S 09:53:10 <peter1138> < british :D 09:53:33 <__ln__> "the group of isles offshore belgium" 09:54:58 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba92e8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:57:39 <kamnet> Mornign 10:15:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.174.255] has joined #openttd 10:21:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6B11B.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:51:56 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 10:55:17 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 10:55:23 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:06:40 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:07:03 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 11:22:12 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.108.23] has joined #openttd 11:22:56 <kamnet> Can you code the 1x1 heliport as either 2x1/1x2 or as 2x2? 11:24:44 <planetmaker> yes and no. see my tt-forums reply 11:26:25 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 11:35:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host210-236-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 11:36:02 <Wolf01> hello 11:37:25 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba92e8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:40:47 <roboboy> gnight 11:41:52 <Wolf01> hello roboboy, what's the situation there? 11:42:13 <Wolf01> (and gnight) 11:42:47 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 11:44:05 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:58:20 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba92e8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12:48 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-227.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 12:12:48 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:22:03 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 12:22:03 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:58 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 12:25:33 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 12:28:20 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:53:06 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:00:09 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:09:32 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:09:53 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 13:09:59 <kamnet> To change the size of the heliport all I have to do is define it in ysize and xsize, right/ 13:10:24 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12:54 <Ammler> kamnet: you should check the airport plus example from yexo, maybe it gives some hints 13:13:38 <Yexo> kamnet: you can't directly change the size of an airport, you can only do so by providing a new tile layout 13:13:43 <Ammler> I don't think you chan change the heliport from 1x1 to 2x1 by resizing the sprites only :-) 13:14:29 <planetmaker> that's what I unsuccessfully tried to tell ;-) 13:14:55 <planetmaker> and it proved not too easy to provide an alternate rotated layout for the small airport. 13:14:59 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:88d1:7a5:727d:699c] has joined #openttd 13:15:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:26:11 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 13:26:12 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:12 *** ar3kaw is now known as ar3k 13:38:40 <kamnet> where is that example at? 13:43:18 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:44:55 <planetmaker> devzone 13:45:03 <planetmaker> airportsplus 14:05:16 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 14:08:43 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:10:18 <Belugas> hello 14:11:06 <kamnet> morning 14:18:08 <planetmaker> hello Belugas 14:18:37 <Belugas> hello sir planetmaker 14:20:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75B57.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:55 <Chris_Booth> hello Belugas 14:21:35 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75B57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:26:17 <kamnet> Well apparently a) I can't read NML yet and b) Yexo ain't worked on heliport sprites, so I'm lost on how to possibly change the size :-) 14:27:01 <planetmaker> kamnet, you 'just' have to define a layout. Look at the small airport. There's a tile layout of it defined with all the tiles it comprises of 14:27:28 <planetmaker> you need to define a layout which has two tiles size. 14:28:13 <Belugas> hi Chris_Booth :) 14:28:26 <planetmaker> basically use as substitute type the heliport you want to re-define. And then attach your (new) layout to it. 14:29:27 <planetmaker> if nfo is more comfortable the same could be done in nfo, too ;-) 14:30:35 <Yexo> there are also nfo examples in the same repository 14:30:47 <Yexo> you'll need to check the property numbers in those, they might be out-of-date 14:41:45 <kamnet> "Best Available TTDPatch Airport Type", I'm assuming I want type 3 (oilrig) if I want it to appear up off the ground, yes? 14:43:46 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds very wrong 14:44:12 <Yexo> the value has no influence on the game, it's only for compatibility with vehicle newgrfs 14:44:27 <Yexo> so don't use "oilrig" as type for things on land, "heliport" is a better choice 14:50:32 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-121-14.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:56:46 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-73-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:02:11 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 15:18:00 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC73PHdQX04 15:19:19 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... did they break youtube-dl again? 15:19:39 <Eddi|zuHause> ahm no... "Dieses Video enthÀlt Content von UMG. Es ist in deinem Land nicht verfÃŒgbar." 15:19:55 <__ln__> damn 15:22:01 <planetmaker> __ln__, your mac is a ppc one, right? 15:22:56 <kamnet> Hrm. Apparently nforenum doesn't think my nfo file is an nfo file 15:23:16 <Eddi|zuHause> kamnet: must start with the // headers 15:23:26 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 15:23:54 <kamnet> Yep, it does 15:26:26 <DanMacK> Hey all 15:27:13 <kamnet> hello 15:27:47 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:27:57 <planetmaker> heya DanMacK 15:30:27 <kamnet> DanMacK, there's a topic you might be interested in: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=52427 15:31:02 <planetmaker> that's pikka's set ;-) 15:32:08 <__ln__> planetmaker: correct 15:32:09 <planetmaker> and tbh: the whole topic is a bit ridiculous. 15:32:18 <planetmaker> thx, __ln__ 15:34:19 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.108.23] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34:27 <planetmaker> I think someone donate me a ppc box or I skip supporting it ;-) 15:34:48 <peter1138> hm 15:35:13 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.108.23] has joined #openttd 15:35:26 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-181-64.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 15:35:55 <kamnet> Huh, I always thought it was yours. Well nevermind then. 15:35:58 <planetmaker> oh, time for optical ear plugs in the nick list again. 15:36:38 <Belugas> :) 15:38:13 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-127-24.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:13 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-72-104.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 15:46:41 * DanMacK responded to that message 15:47:13 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-181-64.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:52:47 *** KouDy [~KouDy@245.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:52:59 * DanMacK doesn't find NARS running costs extrordinarily high... 15:53:06 <dihedral> <planetmaker> oh, time for optical ear plugs in the nick list again. <- LOL 15:53:58 <kamnet> gah. nfo driving me crazy 15:59:31 <planetmaker> kamnet, that's why I suggested to try the airports in NML ;-) 15:59:51 <planetmaker> you a) have an example (somewhat) and b) it's much nicer readable (IMHO) 16:00:39 <kamnet> except I still don't understand what I'm reading in NML 16:01:45 <planetmaker> do you in NFO? 16:02:17 <kamnet> Somewhat 16:04:11 * planetmaker can't give advice on NFO 16:05:04 <dihedral> but can NFO give advice on planetmaker ? 16:05:33 <peter1138> hmm, how costly is 1 sqrt() compared to n multiplications, where n is usually < 100? 16:05:38 <planetmaker> of course it can. It can try and fail ;-) 16:06:09 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC22D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:06:11 <planetmaker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computational_complexity_of_mathematical_operations <-- peter1138 16:06:35 <kamnet> WOOT! I managed to makea newgrf which crashes ottd! 16:06:53 <planetmaker> easy 16:09:16 <planetmaker> peter1138, so it depends, but assuming it uses the same multiplication algorithm: the same as one multiplication 16:12:23 <michi_cc> For practical applications on a real CPU manual 4 from http://www.agner.org/optimize/ is probably a lot more useful. 16:16:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i wouldn't imagine sqrt being expensive at all 16:16:42 <peter1138> no? 16:18:08 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: the table above lists it as same complexity (i.e. only differing by constant factor) 16:21:51 <peter1138> ... 16:22:01 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: although i don't see how they calculate that, using a simple approximation of heron's method (iterating x = (x+a/x)/2)) gives significantly less than 100 multiplications 16:22:27 <peter1138> huh? 16:22:33 <Eddi|zuHause> each iteration step is one multiplication 16:22:39 <peter1138> right 16:22:42 <Eddi|zuHause> and it has quadratic convergence 16:22:47 <peter1138> oookay 16:22:55 <peter1138> how does that related to my question? :) 16:23:20 <planetmaker> for 16 digits precision you need 4 multiplications 16:23:40 <planetmaker> well... somewhat going by quadratic convergence 16:23:41 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: yeah, but that makes it log(n)*M(n) 16:23:43 <michi_cc> peter1138: For a Core 2 CPU multiplication is 1-2 cycles (depending on FPU/SSE) and sqrt is 6-69 (depending on number) under the assumption of proper inlining of the compiler 16:24:31 <peter1138> that's more like it :) 16:25:31 <michi_cc> sqrt on AMD CPUs has a lower upper bound generally, but a higher lower bound 16:26:10 <michi_cc> peter1138: http://www.agner.org/optimize/instruction_tables.pdf for detailed info on all the specific cpu models 16:27:12 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: what i'm trying to say was: "it's probably less expensive" 16:27:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean "1 sqrt is less expensive than 100 multiplications" 16:29:34 <peter1138> about 10 ? :p 16:31:33 <peter1138> ok 16:31:37 <peter1138> basically it doesn't matter 16:31:43 <peter1138> so i don't care now. but thanks :) 16:32:01 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-227.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:04 <peter1138> i guess the case that makes sense to change is where you can do 1 * instead of 1 sqrt 16:34:32 <peter1138> hmmm 16:34:47 <peter1138> actually worse than that. duh. 16:34:56 <peter1138> in this case i can do 1 * instead of n sqrt :S 16:35:00 <peter1138> that's just poor, hehe 16:35:15 <michi_cc> Estimating a proper cutoff is difficult if you're not fixed on a specific CPU, but I'd say up to 10 muls is probably faster than one sqrt 16:36:33 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED662EB.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:37:20 <peter1138> in one case, drawing a sphere in 3d. tests n * n * n locations, with a sqrt() at each. or i just do one r*r at the start... yes... 16:39:14 <peter1138> hmm... atan2(dy, sqrtf(dx * dx + dz * dz)) -> atan2(dy * dy, dx * dx + dz * dz) ? 16:41:39 <michi_cc> Only if you don't care about correctness ;) 16:41:57 <peter1138> hence the ? 16:42:32 <Hirundo> Is dy always positive? 16:43:05 <peter1138> good point, no. 16:43:16 *** Strid [~Strid@c-f083e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:43:23 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21828 /trunk/known-bugs.txt: -Document [FS#4415]: that the station build date is the date of the last construction action 16:46:30 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a "bug"? 16:46:47 <Rubidium> some think it is... 16:47:08 <Rubidium> so the next time it gets reported we can just close it right away without explanation 16:48:54 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: shows what kind of crap people can come up with when they just want to file as many bug reports as they can 16:49:23 <Rubidium> 4413-4416 by one person in 2 minutes 16:50:08 <peter1138> erm 16:50:44 <peter1138> that was weird, doing some benchmarking, got 4.5 seconds each time, unless i switched screen to another window. then i got 8.5 seconds 16:51:16 <peter1138> pretty sure it was just a coincidence on what else the system was doing though :) 16:53:17 <peter1138> (incidentally the non-sqrt version of the sphere code is about 4-5 * faster) 17:00:53 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:02:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009094.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:04:27 <dihedral> Rubidium, george? :-P 17:08:59 <Rubidium> dihedral? 17:09:11 <Rubidium> oh, you were telling me that I should go make myself some dinner, right? 17:09:11 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host217-43-106-142.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:09:24 <planetmaker> make me some, too? 17:09:25 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-243-193.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:09:30 <planetmaker> I'm hungry but not yet home :-( 17:10:00 <planetmaker> dihedral, you got a ppc mac? 17:10:10 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.56.91] has joined #openttd 17:10:12 <Rubidium> planetmaker: then you have to come and get it by car 17:10:55 <Rubidium> otherwise it'd be breakfast 17:11:33 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4417 <-- dihedral could you check that in that case? 17:11:56 <planetmaker> or __ln__ could test that, too ;-) ^ 17:12:11 <planetmaker> Hm... sounds... lengthy 17:13:00 <__ln__> ok, i'll try once i get home 17:13:11 <planetmaker> thanks. 17:14:22 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:15:26 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-121-14.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:56 <ZirconiumX> hello 17:17:25 <LordAro> hello 17:17:38 <ZirconiumX> ;) 17:18:08 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.108.23] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18:58 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.108.23] has joined #openttd 17:19:23 <peter1138> hmm, the sqrtf is of course dwarfed by the atan2 17:19:31 <peter1138> but even so :) 17:19:37 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 17:32:35 *** torkil [~torkil@c6D2BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 17:34:14 <torkil> Anyone know about a stats generator for openttd? I want to set up a website that displays stats from our dedicated server. 17:35:52 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e06ec12.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:36:47 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-223-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:06 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:40:55 <Ammler> torkil: something like http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/stats ? 17:51:31 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:53:13 *** fjb is now known as Guest589 17:53:14 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFFB73.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:53:46 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:02 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF857B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:58:30 <torkil> Ammler: Yes, perhaps something a bit more visually pleasing? :) 17:59:13 <torkil> Ammler: Yes :) 17:59:30 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 18:00:01 *** Guest589 [~frank@p5DDFF096.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:10 <torkil> Would be neat to see company stats, performance statistics etc 18:00:17 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:37 <Ammler> it is based on a java tool: https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/loganalyzer 18:00:59 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.56.91] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:53 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:02:34 <Ammler> oh, if you meant something like http://ps.openttdcoop.org you can use openttdlib 18:03:31 <Ammler> maybe http://stable.openttdcoop.org is better example for that 18:07:58 <dihedral> planetmaker, getting to it :-) 18:12:07 * ZirconiumX is extremely happy 18:14:49 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 18:15:40 <dihedral> hello TrueBrain :-) 18:16:05 <dihedral> planetmaker, i cannot exactly call it a crash :-D 18:16:33 <dihedral> more like some endless loop 18:19:40 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:21:08 <planetmaker> he, interesting, dihedral 18:21:21 <dihedral> trying to find the last working version now :-) 18:21:23 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 18:21:36 <planetmaker> oh, that'll be helpful :-) 18:21:59 <dihedral> 21653 works :-) 18:25:22 <dihedral> i have not downloaded that many openttd builds in a long time :-D 18:25:44 <__ln__> "the game crashes (screen freezes)" says the bug report 18:26:28 <dihedral> screen freezes can mean many things, but yes 18:26:40 <dihedral> + cpu usage goes up high 18:26:56 * __ln__ compiling 21654 18:27:20 <dihedral> 21699 works fine ;-) 18:27:33 <frosch123> someone remembers which scenario on bananas is the broken one with no available engines? 18:28:24 <__ln__> dihedral: so what actually doesn't work? 18:28:33 <dihedral> opening the minimap 18:28:44 <__ln__> dihedral: but what revision 18:28:44 <dihedral> either way 18:28:47 <Terkhen> dihedral: we suspect it is related to the "show owner legend feature" 18:29:01 <dihedral> 21766 is the one i know if, i am trying to find the first broken build 18:29:35 <dihedral> Terkhen, you could have told me earlier :-P 18:29:40 <Terkhen> if our suspicion is right, the first revision affected is probably r21718 18:29:48 <Terkhen> sorry, I was not here :) 18:30:16 <dihedral> hehe 18:30:18 <dihedral> i'll try 18:31:24 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:31:55 <dihedral> by the way - i can get hold of a rack of dual g4 xserve servers :-) 18:32:00 <dihedral> anybody interested :-P 18:33:24 <dihedral> 21735 fails, just grabbing 21713 18:33:31 <dihedral> which should confirm what you said, Terkhen 18:34:10 <dihedral> yep 18:34:16 <dihedral> 21713 works fine 18:34:48 <Terkhen> thanks for checking that :) 18:35:06 <Terkhen> I'm working on a possible fix currently, I'll tell you once it's done so we can test if it works 18:36:38 <dihedral> though how come it only shows on ppc 18:37:08 <planetmaker> dihedral: yes 18:37:23 <dihedral> yes is not a valid answer :-P 18:37:26 * Terkhen has no clue 18:37:28 <dihedral> :-D 18:37:29 <planetmaker> I'm interested ;-) 18:37:36 <dihedral> and i only see one loop 18:38:00 * dihedral starts compiling exact revisions 18:38:06 <Terkhen> hmm... do you know which loop is not finishing? 18:38:53 <dihedral> nopes 18:39:03 <dihedral> like i said, i only see one in 21718's commit 18:40:47 <dihedral> 21720? 18:41:04 <dihedral> another loop 18:43:43 <dihedral> if i knew how to create a complete test of openttd on my mac, i'd set it up to paste bugreports automatically :-P 18:43:52 <LordAro> frosch123: can't remember exactly but it's version (or at end of name string) is 2.1.5... 18:44:03 <frosch123> England and Wales 18:44:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:45:11 <dihedral> wow this mac is slow 18:45:24 <dihedral> forgot it takes 20+ mins to compile openttd 18:45:54 <__ln__> indeed 18:46:02 <peter1138> :) 18:46:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r21829 /trunk/src/lang/ (15 files): (log message trimmed) 18:46:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:46:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belarusian - 4 changes by KorneySan 18:46:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 2 changes by VoyagerOne 18:46:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: czech - 1 changes by CrazyBenny 18:46:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 4 changes by habell 18:46:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: english_US - 1 changes by Rubidium 18:46:07 <LordAro> frosch123: yes :D 18:46:27 <__ln__> the main goal of the project should really be optimizing for compile-time on mac. 18:46:47 <dihedral> on 1.5 GHz ppc 18:47:03 <peter1138> certainly 18:47:07 <peter1138> rm *.cpp... 18:47:11 <LordAro> frosch123: are you going to remove it, something? 18:47:22 <__ln__> luxuries... 1.33 GHz here. 18:47:23 <LordAro> peter1138: :D 18:47:59 <Xaroth> rm -rf / ? 18:48:26 <dihedral> personally i'd vote for ditching ppc support :-P 18:48:51 <Rubidium> I'd vote against it 18:49:08 <__ln__> dihedral: why? i've understood that ppc support was never the problem with mac builds. 18:49:21 <Rubidium> ppc support isn't hard, you just need the appropriate hardware on an emulator 18:49:57 <dihedral> it's not hard, but it still requires investing time 18:50:12 <Rubidium> but then just ditch supporting OSX ;) 18:50:26 <Rubidium> that frees way more time 18:50:31 <__ln__> dihedral: ditching ppc is virtually the same as ditching big-endian support. 18:50:33 <dihedral> but then planetmaker is obsolete :-P 18:50:47 <planetmaker> *pooof* :-P 18:51:12 <Rubidium> maybe planetmaker is interested in some physical ppc hardware to test OSX on 18:51:22 <dihedral> __ln__, with the difference of one LE arch and 10 BE 18:51:25 <planetmaker> let's actually see what my ppc build does. Yes, planetmaker IS interested in it. 18:51:40 * planetmaker certainly could put it to use 18:51:44 <dihedral> i am not using mine :-) 18:51:50 <ZirconiumX> dihedral, __ln__, both *real* luxuries - 1Ghz - and my old comp was 600Mhz 18:51:56 <dihedral> only for debugging openttd 18:52:18 <dihedral> planetmaker, want an xserve? 18:52:19 <planetmaker> I don't mind so much the speed. I can compile on this machine ;-) 18:52:23 <planetmaker> dihedral: yes 18:52:37 <dihedral> if you want i'll find out how much one goes for 18:52:46 <dihedral> i'll probably be able to push it quite low 18:54:07 <planetmaker> But I don't really want to spend personal money on that ;-) 18:54:21 <dihedral> lol 18:55:12 <Terkhen> we should have a "buy planetmaker a ppc" fundraiser then 18:55:20 <planetmaker> well. e-bay has a lot of g4 stuff for in the range of 100 ... 300 ⬠or so 18:55:43 <Terkhen> a "buy Terkhen a new laptop" fundraiser would be nice too 18:55:53 <ZirconiumX> How fast - my good friend? 18:55:59 <Terkhen> but that might be even less related to OpenTTD :P 18:56:03 <planetmaker> but someone with a spare g4 could well support OpenTTD by sending it to me. 18:56:05 <__ln__> a "buy a new Bjarni" fundraiser 18:56:11 <dihedral> nah 18:56:15 <planetmaker> hehe @ Terkhen :-) 18:56:49 <__ln__> planetmaker: i think that's the kind of request that could be written on openttd.org main page, and somebody could even react. 18:57:07 <planetmaker> __ln__: IMHO the patch sequence which breaks your mouse cursor is a good move :-P 18:57:40 * ZirconiumX donates £1 to PM's fund and to Terkhen's fund 18:57:43 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 18:57:47 <ZirconiumX> It's a start 18:57:58 <planetmaker> it cleans up a lot ;-) - but you're right, __ln__ - putting it there might make sense 18:58:02 <dihedral> if i give you my laptop, do i get the one pound? 18:58:27 <dihedral> if you put it in there, if someone donates a laptop, openttd owns something 18:58:29 <planetmaker> depends: is it in working order? 18:58:37 <ZirconiumX> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/iMac-G4-1-25ghz-USB2-/120672997583?pt=UK_Computing_Apple_Desktops_CV&hash=item1c18abd0cf 18:58:39 <dihedral> i am at it right now 18:58:40 <__ln__> G4 is becoming something that people may have lying around with no purpose. 18:58:49 <ZirconiumX> starting bid £0.99 18:58:59 <dihedral> __ln__, me? :-P 18:59:52 <__ln__> dihedral: obviously you are currently using it to debug openttd, that's a purpose. even *the* purpose. 19:00:03 <dihedral> planetmaker, problem though, dvd drive is slightly hard to get a dvd out of - a knife helps though :-D 19:00:24 <dihedral> + it has about 2 to 3 pixel rows on the left hand side that are broken 19:00:26 <planetmaker> well... not a problem if it has a running system. Rest goes via network. 19:00:30 <planetmaker> hm... 19:00:46 <dihedral> 10px in i'd assume 19:02:13 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba92e8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:02:21 <planetmaker> might suffice for testing purposes 19:02:32 <dihedral> that's what i am using it for :-P 19:02:50 <dihedral> but like what ... once a year? :-D 19:04:38 <__ln__> http://pastebin.com/VGpbbjXM 19:07:06 <dihedral> r21718 does crash, but it does not freeze like the other builds i looked at 19:07:31 <planetmaker> 'interesting' 19:08:07 <dihedral> ''? 19:08:11 *** lolman [~lolman@188-220-249-105.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:02 <__ln__> after several continues + breaks + backtraces, GetStringBoundingBox() is the one that it wouldn't seem to exit. 19:11:54 * __ln__ recompiling with --enable-debug=3 19:12:25 <Terkhen> http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/patches/possible_ppc_fix.diff <--- can you please try if this solves the problem? 19:13:34 <planetmaker> hm, the ppc binary also hangs on my machine. 19:14:17 <dihedral> heh 19:14:53 <__ln__> Terkhen: i'll tell you in ~20 minutes 19:15:07 <dihedral> i was just about to do the same 19:15:08 <dihedral> but you were faster 19:15:14 <dihedral> so i can get supper :-D 19:15:39 <planetmaker> bingo, Terkhen 19:16:21 <Terkhen> thank frosch123 for finding this :P 19:17:01 <dihedral> thanks __ln__ and dihedral - oh, you're welcome :-P 19:17:19 <planetmaker> thank you frosch123 __ln__ and dihedral :-) 19:17:28 <Terkhen> yes, thanks :) 19:17:57 <dihedral> ah, that's nothing, you are of course welcome, anytime, just give us a shout ... :-D 19:19:16 <planetmaker> hm... but *why* does that patch work? 19:19:48 <Terkhen> it seems that only the first member of an union is initialized by the macros 19:20:01 <Terkhen> what I don't know is why it worked at all before this patch 19:20:07 <peter1138> luck? 19:20:15 <peter1138> nobody tested it? 19:20:49 <planetmaker> hm, shouldn't it then (also) work to explicitly initalize the other two? 19:20:54 <Terkhen> I did, but I'm starting to doubt the quality of my testing :P 19:21:17 <Terkhen> planetmaker: how? in a static array you can _only_ initialize the first value 19:21:41 <dihedral> and why only macs? 19:21:49 <peter1138> dihedral, endian 19:21:50 <planetmaker> only they are big endian 19:22:02 <planetmaker> intel macs work fine (at least here) 19:22:39 <dihedral> endianess with an initialization issue? 19:22:45 <dihedral> sure it's not just 10.4? 19:23:10 <planetmaker> dihedral: I compile (nearly) always against the 10.4 SDK... 19:23:37 <planetmaker> and the ppc binary hangs here w/o the patch and does not with. So... it's quite a strong indicator, I think 19:24:27 <frosch123> dihedral: a union of uint8 and uint32 is supposed to fail on big endian 19:24:36 <dihedral> ah 19:25:30 <frosch123> the default initialiser can only initialise the first member, which is uint32 in this case 19:25:58 <frosch123> thus on little endian it can be used to initialise the uint8 just as well, but big endian fails 19:30:00 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:34:34 <andythenorth> evenings :) 19:35:29 <Terkhen> hi andythenorth 19:36:51 <planetmaker> hello andythenorth 19:40:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r21830 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Fix: Deunionize a union which was not initialized correctly. 19:41:17 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f7235e8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:45 <__ln__> Terkhen: sÃ, no se congela más en PPC. 19:41:57 <Terkhen> perfecto __ln__, muchas gracias :) 19:42:28 <__ln__> dn 19:42:52 * Terkhen learned a lot of random facts about unions today 19:43:06 <Terkhen> enough facts to avoid their use unless necessary 19:43:53 <planetmaker> quite indeed. same here 19:44:06 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: brb] 19:44:11 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08f84d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:21 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 19:47:35 <fonsinchen> probably the Mac OS compiler at some point decided that enums should be mapped to 32 bits instead of 8 bits, even if the max value is 255 (i.e. Owner or CompanyID). 19:48:00 <fonsinchen> This probably created the "hole" in the union. 19:50:00 <planetmaker> fonsinchen: read above. It's a big endian problem only. 19:50:22 <planetmaker> and will fail on any big endian, if I understand that correctly 19:50:58 <fonsinchen> yes, I was just wondering why it worked on my PPC half a year ago. 19:51:10 <planetmaker> then the union wasn't there 19:53:03 <fonsinchen> It was introduced on May 7th 19:53:21 <fonsinchen> ok, maybe that was after my test. 19:53:31 <dihedral> why would you use unions anyway? 19:53:41 <dihedral> to what benifit? 19:53:42 <fonsinchen> saves memory 19:54:02 <dihedral> how much? 19:54:22 <fonsinchen> not much, in that case. About 2 bytes per legend item 19:54:35 <dihedral> if each tile in the map array uses a union, i could probably understand, but we do live in the time where a few GB of RAM is quite common :_P 19:57:03 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:59:38 <Chris_Booth> good evening all 20:00:28 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:05:56 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:41 <Terkhen> in this case the benefit is negligible 20:13:43 <Terkhen> hi Chris_Booth 20:13:51 <Chris_Booth> hi Terkhen 20:19:34 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF857B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:22:33 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba92e8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:25:35 <Rubidium> dihedral: how's splitting that patch going? 20:26:06 <dihedral> how much time can you give me? 20:26:16 <dihedral> i.e. do i get the next weekend? or not :-P 20:26:42 <Rubidium> not if you want it to be in beta4 ;) 20:26:52 *** torkil [~torkil@c6D2BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 20:26:57 <dihedral> when do you want to release that? 20:27:02 <dihedral> tomorrow or the day after 20:27:04 <Rubidium> but branching will probably be mid february 20:27:34 <dihedral> might bbe able to finish it up tomorrow evening 20:28:12 <Rubidium> only if you really really want it to be in beta4 ;) 20:28:31 <Rubidium> instead of beta5 or rc1 or something like that 20:28:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-3-238.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:28:55 <dihedral> i'll do my very best :-) 20:42:05 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:44:44 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-76-217.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:54:17 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:56:31 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> resistance.oftc.net quits: Keiya, SirSquidness, ack_, Eddi|zuHause, @Belugas, @orudge, FauxFaux, glevans2, tokai|mdlx, mikegrb, (+25 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 20:58:30 *** Netsplit over, joins: Sacro, Born_Acorn, PeterT, @orudge, dfox, a1270, DanMacK, Eddi|zuHause, Wolf01, zodttd (+8 more) 21:01:19 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:01:49 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> graviton.oftc.net quits: murr4y, Mikael, zodttd, Eddi|zuHause, Noldo, dfox 21:02:09 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF857B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:02:16 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> charm.oftc.net quits: DanMacK, Sacro 21:03:02 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> osmotic.oftc.net quits: Born_Acorn, a1270, PeterT 21:03:31 *** Netsplit over, joins: Born_Acorn, PeterT, a1270, Sacro, DanMacK, Mikael, murr4y, Noldo, zodttd, Eddi|zuHause (+1 more) 21:03:31 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 21:03:31 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@adsl-99-58-238-188.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:31 *** Keiya [kyevan@thay.Stanford.EDU] has joined #openttd 21:03:31 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 21:03:31 *** Markavian [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:03:31 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-243-193.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 21:03:31 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:31 *** FauxFaux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:03:31 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:31 *** verm__ [~verm@twilight.darkbeer.org] has joined #openttd 21:03:31 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:31 *** Guest178 [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:31 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 21:03:31 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:03:31 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 21:03:31 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-76-217.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:31 *** ServerMode/#openttd [+oov Belugas Rubidium Rubidium] by synthon.oftc.net 21:03:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 21:06:26 <__ln__> dihedral: do you also see two mouse cursors in trunk in windowed mode? 21:06:43 <dihedral> yep 21:06:58 <dihedral> i just don't think i should bother 21:06:58 <planetmaker> hm... 21:07:12 <__ln__> dihedral: good, then i'm not alone 21:07:25 <dihedral> :-) 21:08:44 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 21:11:33 *** supermop [~daniel_er@82-69-99-113.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:14:34 <dihedral> night 21:19:20 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 21:19:23 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ 21:20:46 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba92e8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:26:32 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-254.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 21:28:31 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:28:48 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: when pressing "deselect all" in the linkview you "unselect" the saturation legenda as well 21:32:59 <fonsinchen> Oh. Thanks, I'll have a look. 21:33:51 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:07 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009094.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:01 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-76-217.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:39:31 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host217-43-106-142.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:18 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 21:54:54 <Terkhen> good night 21:57:24 <supermop> good night 21:57:41 <DanMacK> Night Terkhen 22:01:45 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> This is Eternity 22:06:04 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75B57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:06:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75B57.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09:49 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 22:12:49 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 22:29:18 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@220.42.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has joined #openttd 22:33:24 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 22:34:43 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF857B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:19 *** supermop [~daniel_er@82-69-99-113.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: supermop] 22:39:58 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba92e8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:37 *** Fixer [~Fixer@91.202.128.79] has joined #openttd 22:40:59 <Fixer> hello 22:41:42 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-76-217.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:18 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF857B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:44:17 <Fixer> I see some weird behavior in the GRF options menu - i got ?????? in preset dropdown menu instead of cyrillic text 22:44:45 <Fixer> which was saved earlier (since 1.0*) 22:45:31 <Rubidium> that sounds like your current font doesn't understand cyrillic 22:45:50 <Rubidium> or something messed with the encoding of the configuration file 22:47:19 <Fixer> encoding in config 22:47:29 <Fixer> now it saves in utf8 22:49:46 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-76-217.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:57 <Rubidium> "it" being what? 22:50:12 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Quit: Good bye] 22:51:21 *** yorick [yorick@hurf.minds.durf.alike.shellium.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:31 <Fixer> early text of presets in config was in another codepage, now openttd saves in utf8 / unicode 22:51:44 <Fixer> so i just edited my config and it is ok now 22:53:33 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08f84d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:29 <Rubidium> odd thing is that OpenTTD works internally (and thus in openttd.cfg) with utf8 since 2006 and presets were only added in 2009 22:54:54 <Rubidium> so it's not like OpenTTD changed the encoding of the file in the last 4 years 22:55:41 <Fixer> maybe because i use another font? 22:56:06 <Fixer> i changed it since some 1.0* release 22:56:19 <Fixer> was too small for my eyes 22:56:40 <Fixer> set it up to Arial 22:56:49 <Rubidium> so you opened the configuration file in some text editor, edited it and saved it 22:57:24 <Rubidium> which is a perfectly good way to get the encoding of the configuration file ruined (if the editor is incorrectly configured for utf-8 files) 22:57:51 <Fixer> yes 22:57:59 <Fixer> could be 22:58:02 <Fixer> really 22:58:38 <Fixer> maybe it was notepad %) or scite 22:58:43 <Fixer> nevermind 23:12:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AF69.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:51 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF857B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:59 <Eddi|zuHause> this wouldn't have happened if we had a font picker ingame. 23:23:27 <Fixer> yes :) 23:23:51 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause is making one I take it? :P 23:24:04 <Eddi|zuHause> dream on. 23:24:25 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, i think there was a patch for it, but it had some problems 23:27:04 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 23:28:31 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:31:58 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:34 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@220.42.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:42:42 *** supermop [~daniel_er@82-69-99-113.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:54:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:57:12 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.56.91] has joined #openttd 23:57:31 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-254.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:59:27 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f7235e8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]