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00:06:38 <Ammler> Rubidium: the newgrf files 00:07:46 <SmatZ> number of newgrf files?? 00:08:18 <SmatZ> 64 should be enough for anybody! 00:09:05 <SmatZ> (is there any official writing of that famous Gate's quote?) 00:09:11 <SmatZ> Gates' 00:10:00 <SmatZ> but well, number of GRF files can be reduced by combining functionality of several GRFs in one 00:10:17 <SmatZ> like all-ECS-vectors-in-one 00:10:24 <Rubidium> Ammler: that's easily done, when the minimum maximum packet size of the internet gets increased 00:11:03 <SmatZ> Rubidium: well, the data could be split to more packets if needed 00:11:20 <Rubidium> SmatZ: yeah, and we could use TCP as well 00:11:36 <SmatZ> Rubidium: I just wanted to say that, but that would be insane ;) 00:12:58 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.14.158] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:13:47 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.14.158] has joined #openttd 00:17:07 <Ammler> I just mention it because there are 2 guys complaining about the limit in the beta4 thread 00:17:36 <Rubidium> no savegame == no bug 00:18:16 <Rubidium> likewise: not on bugs.openttd.org == them not interested in it, thus why should I? 00:18:17 <Ammler> oh, you think it is a bug 00:18:29 <SmatZ> Ammler: I was wondering, they said it worked fine in previous version 00:18:45 <Ammler> true, now you mention it 00:20:36 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 00:22:18 <Ammler> ever grfmerge tried? 00:23:29 <Rubidium> so, what of not loading NewGRFs with version > 7 or adding some NewGRF properties broke the NewGRF limit? 00:24:15 <SmatZ> disabled newgrfs aren't counted against that limit? 00:24:26 <Rubidium> IIRC they are 00:24:30 <Ammler> or static grfs 00:24:36 <glx> anyway 64 is a lot :) 00:24:41 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:24:48 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 00:25:02 <Ammler> glx: indeed but doable 00:25:16 <glx> high risk of conflicts 00:28:44 <SmatZ> [01:17:57] <Ammler> I just mention it because there are 2 guys complaining about the limit in the beta4 thread <== actually, it's Doorslammer twice, replying "I have the same problem" to his own post (!?) 00:29:02 <SmatZ> maybe his confusion explains something... 00:29:18 <Ammler> oh, lol, how mean 00:30:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:33:08 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:41:29 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-63-138.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:47:44 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:51:28 *** Chruker [~no@87-104-39-161-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52:02 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-40-132.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 00:53:20 <HalfBit> the new rail station dialog is very nice 00:53:48 <HalfBit> quite a change for a beta3 -> beta4 version 00:54:45 <SmatZ> yup 01:00:42 <Ammler> good night :-) 01:02:40 <SmatZ> good night Ammler 01:04:09 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.14.158] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 01:04:21 <Mazur> Sleep well, Ammler . 01:15:36 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:24:20 *** fjb is now known as Guest1646 01:24:21 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFCF4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:31:08 *** Guest1646 [~frank@p5DDFD27D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:32:39 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:35:13 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC577E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 01:45:48 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:58:48 *** Fugas [~Fugas@isbprachen.clnet.cz] has joined #openttd 01:59:59 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-40-132.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:03:33 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:04:57 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:05:20 *** Fugas [~Fugas@isbprachen.clnet.cz] has left #openttd [] 02:12:07 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-40-132.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 02:13:02 *** HalfBit [~hb@201-43-242-125.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:21:53 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-17-128.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:26:56 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:36:33 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=140077 09:26:21 <andythenorth> (PDF) 09:27:09 <planetmaker> andythenorth: could you additionally link it also in the posting you announce it? 09:27:17 <andythenorth> yes 09:27:30 <planetmaker> I always find it annoying when someone writes along the lines of "go there to read what I want to tell you without link" 09:27:49 <planetmaker> especially the "go to first posting in a loooooong thread" 09:28:11 <planetmaker> as it's at least two clicks where I could save one :-P 09:28:19 <andythenorth> done 09:28:22 <planetmaker> :-) 09:29:40 <andythenorth> done, done, onto the next one 09:31:13 * Rubidium wonders why 1.0.0 works, but nightlies from spring to summer 2010 don't 09:33:11 <andythenorth> I took a guess at compatibility :P 09:33:23 <andythenorth> I actually have no idea which versions of ottd HEQS works with 09:33:48 <Rubidium> if it works with 1.0.0, then it works with nightlies from that time as well 09:34:05 <Rubidium> as stable releases are basically a subset of the features of nightlies at that time 09:35:40 <andythenorth> true 09:36:03 <planetmaker> works with stable X --> nightlies from March or later the same year 09:36:52 <andythenorth> I don't even know for sure it works with 1.0.0 09:37:08 <planetmaker> if it works with 1.0.5 it's a good enough guess 09:37:11 <andythenorth> but it used to work with 0.7.x so I figured it's probably ok in 1.x :P 09:37:15 <planetmaker> as 1.0.5 is 1.0.0 with bug fixes 09:37:44 <Rubidium> planetmaker: sometimes properties are added in point releases 09:38:00 <planetmaker> yes I know :-) 09:39:06 <Rubidium> 1.0.3: some industry/railtype stuff 09:39:30 <Rubidium> 1.0.1: printing qword 09:39:56 <Rubidium> so I guess it's safe to assume that if 1.0.5 works 1.0.0 works as well (you ought to test it though) 09:40:09 *** Tennel [~Tennel@farafin-gate.cs.uni-magdeburg.de] has joined #openttd 09:41:07 <Rubidium> and I think all nightlies of 2010 ought to work as well 09:41:13 <Ammler> andythenorth: very nice guide, openttd 1.1 doesn't have numbers for parameter values anymore, does it? 09:43:50 <Ammler> credits list looks a bit silly using real names for some, for others nick only 09:44:08 <andythenorth> Ammler: you could be right 09:44:15 <andythenorth> I might just use nicks 09:46:00 <Ammler> does "Climate Toyland not supported" mean, you disabled it there or it just looks ugly and therefor not recommend? 09:46:55 <andythenorth> vehicles aren't available in toyland iirc 09:47:12 <planetmaker> I'd prefer 'not supported' means "use at your own risk" 09:47:16 <andythenorth> ach 09:47:20 <andythenorth> they do seem to be in Toyland 09:47:28 <andythenorth> that's horrible :P 09:47:32 <planetmaker> It'd mean one could use it with something like Toyland2Mars 09:47:43 <planetmaker> which would not be that horrible ;-) 09:48:00 <planetmaker> And that's what all people forget when they disable toyland :-P 09:48:15 <Ammler> climate switch is useless imo 09:48:59 <planetmaker> well. Not really. But it is nice, if it can be disabled ;-) 09:49:07 <planetmaker> or all climates would look the same 09:49:47 <planetmaker> like... arctic tiles, tropic industries, toyland houses :-P 09:50:21 <planetmaker> oh, and temperate vehicles, of course ;-) 09:50:21 <Ammler> why should you load arctic tiles newgrf for toyland? 09:50:32 <andythenorth> any other suggestions for HEQS manual? 09:50:37 <andythenorth> I've made suggested changes so far 09:51:05 <planetmaker> andythenorth: could you try a better scaling algorithm for your vehicles? 09:51:10 <planetmaker> they look quite pixelated... 09:51:25 <andythenorth> meh 09:51:26 <andythenorth> :P 09:51:29 <Ammler> you can still add a ActionB warning like "this set looks ugly in Toyland" 09:51:40 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I can't find a better pdf export 09:51:54 <andythenorth> I thought OS X had more options on print to pdf 09:52:03 <andythenorth> but I imagined them, or they don't exist 09:52:05 <planetmaker> nah, I don't mean the pdf export. 09:52:12 <planetmaker> Your vehicle images are like 2x zoomed 09:52:24 <andythenorth> yes 09:52:25 <planetmaker> with... the simplest zoom algorithm or so 09:52:31 <planetmaker> (which is the default though) 09:52:55 <planetmaker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_art_scaling_algorithms 09:52:57 <Ammler> it does show the pixel art, isn't that nice? 09:53:06 <andythenorth> it's supposed to be blocky :D 09:53:16 <andythenorth> but the effect is diminished by the pdf compression :( 09:53:34 <andythenorth> planetmaker: can you open pages files? 09:54:09 <planetmaker> uhm? What page? you mean like pages which is the equivalent to writer to word to... text editor? 09:54:13 <planetmaker> then yes 09:54:52 <andythenorth> iwork page 09:54:53 <andythenorth> s 09:55:07 <planetmaker> but... it's a matter of how the images were created, not how they're embedded within the layout programme 09:55:15 <planetmaker> yes, it's installed 09:55:20 <andythenorth> they're just screenshots from 2x zoom 09:55:31 <planetmaker> exactly 09:55:49 <andythenorth> without compression they look....sharp 09:56:28 <planetmaker> the 2x zoom algorithm used just sucks 09:56:45 <andythenorth> I think this will be a highly subjective argument :) 09:57:04 <andythenorth> I want a 2x zoom that makes a pixel 2x bigger with sharp edges 09:57:05 <planetmaker> well. Look at the differences as shown on the link I gave above. 09:57:07 <andythenorth> no interpolation 09:57:52 <andythenorth> I like blocky 09:58:32 <planetmaker> well... looks not nice when zoomed in and 1px -> 4px without antialias or so 09:59:45 <andythenorth> ho 09:59:49 <andythenorth> well you might convince me 10:00:02 <andythenorth> but all I'll do is remove the zoom and include them at 100% :D 10:00:17 <planetmaker> :-D 10:00:22 <andythenorth> I am more concerned about the crappy compression at the moment 10:01:10 <planetmaker> I mean, the real screenshots look ok (though slightly jpg-ified, too). 10:01:14 <andythenorth> maybe a html user manual would be better? 10:01:28 <planetmaker> dunno 10:14:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C0BE.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:21:08 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.97.88] has joined #openttd 10:21:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.168.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:23:58 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.184.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:24:45 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc6-aztw25-2-0-cust67.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:26:36 *** andythenorth__ [~andy@cpc6-aztw25-2-0-cust67.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:31:08 *** andythenorth___ [~andy@cpc6-aztw25-2-0-cust67.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:31:09 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.97.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:31:26 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.89.205] has joined #openttd 10:32:48 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc6-aztw25-2-0-cust67.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:33:54 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.89.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:34:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.89.205] has joined #openttd 10:34:38 *** andythenorth__ [~andy@cpc6-aztw25-2-0-cust67.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:35:07 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc6-aztw25-2-0-cust67.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:35:29 *** andythenorth___ [~andy@cpc6-aztw25-2-0-cust67.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:35:34 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc6-aztw25-2-0-cust67.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 10:39:02 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.89.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:54:53 *** andythenorth__ [~andy@cpc6-aztw25-2-0-cust67.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:57:16 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-4d03771a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:02:28 *** WargH [51ea85b5@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:04:52 *** WargH [51ea85b5@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 11:05:31 *** supermop [~daniel_er@212.49.201.250] has joined #openttd 11:09:01 <supermop> hello 11:10:01 <planetmaker> hi 11:10:31 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:11:52 <supermop> how are you? 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14:40:52 <andythenorth_> e.g. Coaster, Trader, Ferry etc 14:44:17 <andythenorth_> hmm 14:44:19 <andythenorth_> that's very bizarre 14:44:30 <andythenorth_> the first name I chose for a ship was PATRAIKOS 14:44:42 <andythenorth_> based on name of a greek maritime area 14:45:21 <andythenorth_> and there is a ship named PATRAIKOS 14:45:32 <andythenorth_> bizarre coincidence :P 14:46:23 *** HalfBit [~hb@201-43-242-125.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 14:47:08 <planetmaker> :-) 14:47:51 <planetmaker> andythenorth_, maybe you keep the type out of the name, if you can provide the ship type as additional info in the purchase menu 14:47:58 <andythenorth_> I thought so 14:48:20 <andythenorth_> I think it's useful to distinguish some type information though 14:48:31 <planetmaker> It's also not called Porsche 911 sports car. It's just a Porsche 911 ;-) 14:48:31 <andythenorth_> e.g. it helps choose PAX / general / freight 14:48:50 <andythenorth_> original ships are e.g. FFP Passenger Ferry 14:48:56 <andythenorth_> same for RVs 14:49:09 <planetmaker> yeah. But original ships have no additional purchase menu info texts either 14:49:23 <planetmaker> nor refit capability. Nor... so many nice things 14:49:24 <andythenorth_> and train sets don't have 'train' 14:49:27 <andythenorth_> in the name 14:49:32 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@200.224.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 14:49:42 <andythenorth_> I'll try reducing it to minimum 14:50:10 <andythenorth_> 'Ferry' and 'Freighter' might be justified 14:50:47 <andythenorth_> I guess I just have to test and sea 14:50:50 <andythenorth_> see /s 14:50:51 <andythenorth_> :P 14:51:11 <andythenorth_> this is just like a FISH ship: http://www.wellandcanal.ca/salties/p/passatwind/wind.jpg 14:51:28 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host78-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 14:52:43 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:51 <andythenorth_> planetmaker: you prefer to see less words in the buy menu? Or you just find it weird to specify type when it might be obvious? 14:52:56 <Wolf01> hello 14:54:17 <planetmaker> hi Wolf01 14:54:46 <planetmaker> andythenorth_, well, it is more usual to buy a "VW Golf" instead of a "VW Golf medium-sized car". 14:54:52 <andythenorth_> indeed 14:55:25 <planetmaker> I also just purchase an A380 instead of a A380 long-range high-capacity jet airliner ;-) 14:55:55 <andythenorth_> But you buy a Sikorsky Helicopter? 14:55:57 * andythenorth_ tests 14:56:17 <planetmaker> Well. There might be Sikorsky Lear Jet, too ;-) 14:56:20 <andythenorth_> not in AV8 you don't 14:56:48 <planetmaker> Besides Pikka is a good guide but not the rule book ;-) 14:56:54 <Noldo> I remember Lear Jet from Flight Simulator 5 and 98 14:57:11 <andythenorth_> HEQS I mostly included the vehicle type 14:57:23 <andythenorth_> it groups similar vehicles in the players mind 14:57:35 <andythenorth_> and is useful, e.g. when new vehicle type is announced 14:58:10 <andythenorth_> hmm 14:58:25 <andythenorth_> I was just going to use model names 14:58:28 <andythenorth_> but it looks weird 14:58:35 <andythenorth_> seems like it needs manufacturer + model names 14:58:51 <andythenorth_> or numbers or something 14:59:57 <planetmaker> There's pros and cons for both, yes. 15:00:10 <Ammler> andythenorth_: maybe SirkoZ can make a better HEQS-names grf 15:00:15 <planetmaker> It might be easier for the player if the type is in the name. Or in an abbreviated form 15:02:04 <andythenorth_> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/name_test.png 15:02:56 <Noldo> http://www.google.fi/imgres?imgurl=http://www.savonsanomat.fi/multimedia/dynamic/00101/Tukit_101141b.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.savonsanomat.fi/uutiset/savo/uppotukkivaara/474564&usg=__BcmmxaaNBvo3lcYMxz2h-u_usik=&h=212&w=468&sz=42&hl=fi&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=LmSe_o7K9kLJEM:&tbnh=80&tbnw=176&ei=lzdATYqpK8Gi8QPbs_T0Aw&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtukkilautta%26hl%3Dfi%26sa%3DX%26biw%3D1241%26bih%3D713%26tbs%3Disch:1%26prmd%3Divns&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=561&oei=lzdATYqpK8Gi8QPbs_T 15:02:56 *** heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:03:03 <Noldo> oops 15:03:32 <andythenorth_> yes, they're in FISH :) 15:03:40 <Noldo> really? 15:03:46 <andythenorth_> log raft 15:03:58 <andythenorth_> variable capacity 15:04:12 <Noldo> had no idea what it is in english, though that is very logical 15:04:13 <planetmaker> :-) They're great 15:04:38 <Noldo> popular in the near by lake Saimaa 15:05:07 <planetmaker> andythenorth_, I think something like "Patraikos frighter" is a good name 15:05:20 <andythenorth_> I think it will do 15:05:39 <andythenorth_> leaves room to add (steam) (diesel) etc if needed 15:06:04 <andythenorth_> not sure it is 15:06:05 <planetmaker> hm... that's not really important. I'd add it to the purchase description 15:06:25 <andythenorth_> (small) (large) etc is very boring and can go 15:06:28 <planetmaker> It'll be visible from the graphics possibly ;-) 15:06:31 <planetmaker> definitely, yes 15:12:49 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 15:14:46 <Ammler> you can add icons like 2cctrainset 15:14:52 <DanMacK> Hey all 15:15:11 <Ammler> heya Dan 15:16:31 <planetmaker> moin DanMacK 15:18:52 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 15:24:02 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.112.176.59] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 15:26:35 <Ammler> something changed according to lzma from beta3 to beta4, seems like Fedora doesn't build anymore? 15:27:50 <Rubidium> or did Fedora change between beta3 and beta4? 15:28:30 <Rubidium> as I don't remember seeing any LZMA related changes in OpenTTD this year 15:29:25 <glx> no change in rpm spec ? 15:30:03 <Rubidium> not since beta3 15:30:16 <glx> so it's the OS :) 15:34:41 <Ammler> I try to build beta3 again, this is silly... :-/ 15:36:49 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:38:14 <Ammler> got following error on local build: "error: %post(glibc-common-2.12.90-17.x86_64) scriptlet failed, signal 11" (first time I try to build for Fedora:14 locally 15:38:34 <Rubidium> that's like Thai to me 15:39:06 <Rubidium> although, signal 11 == c0000005 15:39:26 <Rubidium> or sigsegv 15:39:43 <Ammler> oh, I wanted to paste that on the obs support channel :-) 15:41:55 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:42:20 <ZirconiumX> hello all 15:45:31 *** KouDy [~KouDy@118.100.112.42] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:50:20 *** unknwn [~depressiv@vpn6.cln.ru] has joined #openttd 15:50:27 <unknwn> i install openttd 1.0.5 . Acceleration of time in this version more slower than in 1.0.1 15:50:34 <unknwn> How can i increase aceleration time? 15:50:52 <Terkhen> hi unknwn 15:51:12 <ZirconiumX> What - Fast Forward? I don't think it is 15:51:23 <unknwn> yes, fast foward 15:51:23 <Terkhen> if the game is going noticeably slower you are either using lots of AIs or playing with a lot of vehicles 15:52:07 <ZirconiumX> WTHJS 15:52:27 <unknwn> i'm not using AI 15:52:36 <unknwn> in 1.0.1 fast foward more faster 15:52:41 <ZirconiumX> number of vehicles? 15:52:51 <ZirconiumX> Then use 1.0.1 15:52:56 <unknwn> i start new mission and click fast foward 15:52:58 <Terkhen> unknwn: the same savegame fast forwards faster? 15:53:13 <ZirconiumX> He can't load the savegame 15:53:41 <ZirconiumX> unless I being stupid - which evidently I am 15:53:53 <Ammler> Rubidium: the issue is Fedora works with xz-devel but not with lzma-devel 15:54:04 <Terkhen> 1.0.1 should be savegame compatible with 1.0.5 IIRC 15:54:19 <Rubidium> Ammler: so why did beta3 work? 15:54:24 <unknwn> lol..1.0.1 started in window, but 1.0.5 in fullscreen) 15:54:29 <Rubidium> or did it (silently) fail? 15:54:44 <ZirconiumX> then switch off fullscreen? 15:54:47 <unknwn> in window fast foward works more faster 15:54:52 <unknwn> yes 15:58:53 <ZirconiumX> problem solved 16:01:42 *** DanM [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 16:04:37 <Mazur> Which version gives Fedora problems? I can try it out here, too, give you my 2¢. 16:05:16 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:05:24 <Mazur> I have 1.0.5 beta3 running no problem. 16:06:36 <Mazur> OpenTTD 1.1.0-beta3 16:06:39 <Mazur> I mean. 16:07:32 *** DanM is now known as DanMacK 16:15:34 <Ammler> Mazur: none, the issue was in the spec 16:16:17 <Ammler> I assume, fedora uses lzma for lzma1 and xz for lzma2 16:21:38 <Mazur> Ammler: See http://stephane.lesimple.fr/blog/tags/lzma2 16:25:56 <Ammler> Mazur: yeah, as I thought, suse doesn't provide lzma(1) anymore 16:33:05 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 16:39:54 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:50 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5D7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 16:54:36 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f74ec.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:01:31 <z-MaTRiX1nonidentified> h 17:05:35 <ZirconiumX> could you change your name to something shorter 17:07:13 <z-MaTRiX1nonidentified> sure it used to be shorter 17:07:27 <z-MaTRiX1nonidentified> but its boring to identify again 17:07:41 <ZirconiumX> like... z-MaTRIX1 17:07:53 <z-MaTRiX1nonidentified> because server kicks out link broken or smg 17:08:15 *** z-MaTRiX1nonidentified is now known as z-MaTRiX 17:08:44 <ZirconiumX> you didn't have to identify for that di you? 17:08:51 <z-MaTRiX> i did 17:09:19 <SmatZ> irssi doesn't support some kind of auto-perform? 17:09:27 <z-MaTRiX> hm 17:09:36 <z-MaTRiX> it supports scripting 17:09:38 <SmatZ> where you would enter "/msg NickServ auth abc xyz", so you get identified 17:09:39 <ZirconiumX> mibbit does 17:09:56 <z-MaTRiX> yes its the identify ... 17:10:22 <z-MaTRiX> whats up SmartZ ? 17:11:07 <ZirconiumX> lol 17:12:39 * ZirconiumX jumps at z-MaTRiX and some wierd camera rig suspends me in slow motion with lots of cameras taking photos of me 17:12:55 <ZirconiumX> (matrix style of course!) 17:13:05 <z-MaTRiX> <; 17:13:22 <z-MaTRiX> would like that if you were a cute girl 17:13:31 <ZirconiumX> but I'm not 17:13:51 <ZirconiumX> I'm a... 17:13:53 *** Tennel [~Tennel@farafin-gate.cs.uni-magdeburg.de] has joined #openttd 17:13:55 <ZirconiumX> here it comes 17:13:59 <ZirconiumX> GEEK! 17:14:12 <ZirconiumX> there that's over with 17:14:51 <z-MaTRiX> R wrfu n wrqu jx-wrxu * R pnfu xj luxlu jq srzu * Rxlrdu n wnc nww dna * R'fu nwvnal cuux sprl vna * R'z n ouuk * R'z n ouuk * Jp pj R'z n ouuk * Ojjd Wjed R'z n ouuk. 17:15:01 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e06ec12.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:15:21 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 17:16:20 <planetmaker> ... 17:22:27 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:22:27 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:23:04 <SmatZ> z-MaTRiX: google translate recognised that as finnish 17:24:29 <Terkhen> it probably does not support gibberish 17:24:52 <z-MaTRiX> :) 17:25:00 <z-MaTRiX> (its encrypted) 17:27:01 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:19 *** Chruker [~no@87-104-39-161-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk] has joined #openttd 17:30:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21910 /trunk/src/autoreplace_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: rename some autoreplace internal functions so they don't collide with globabl functions 17:30:54 <z-MaTRiX> http://www.poppyfields.net/filks/g.html 17:31:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21911 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: move tcache.last_speed to gcache.last_speed and make SetLastSpeed a function of GroundVehicle 17:31:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21912 /trunk/src/ (roadveh.h roadveh_cmd.cpp saveload/vehicle_sl.cpp): -Codechange: let road vehicles use gcache.last_speed/SetLastSpeed as well 17:33:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21913 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: move bridge speed limiting for road vehicles to the same (logically speaking) place as for trains 17:34:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21914 /trunk/src/ (ground_vehicle.hpp train_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: move the algorithmic part of Train::UpdateSpeed to a function in GroundVehicle 17:34:54 <z-MaTRiX> http://www.openttd.info/news.php 17:34:55 <z-MaTRiX> ahah 17:35:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21915 /trunk/src/ (roadveh.h roadveh_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: rename RoadVehicleAccelerate to RoadVehicle::UpdateSpeed (to match the naming used by Trains), and make use of the algorithm implemented in GroundVehicle 17:36:30 <SmatZ> :) 17:36:54 <SmatZ> I don't speak magyar at all 17:37:05 <SmatZ> actually.. "Ãj" is "new" 17:37:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21916 /trunk/src/ground_vehicle.hpp: 17:37:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#4442]: the minimum speed needed for (realistic) acceleration to work 17:37:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: properly can sometimes be more than the (temporary) maximum speed causing Clamp 17:37:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: to "fail". Make sure that the minimum speed always overrules the maximum speed 17:44:14 *** heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has joined #openttd 17:45:26 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 17:47:48 <z-MaTRiX> btw 17:48:47 <z-MaTRiX> trains coming out of depot trying to bypass one-way pathfinder signals 17:49:11 <z-MaTRiX> so must use simple blocksignals there 17:50:38 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 17:54:07 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db80557.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:54:43 <planetmaker> and you're using a recent nightly? 17:55:48 <z-MaTRiX> no it was 1.05 17:56:10 <z-MaTRiX> and before 17:56:42 <z-MaTRiX> dont remember if it was the case in original ttd 17:56:57 <planetmaker> TTD has only two-way block signals 17:57:06 <z-MaTRiX> ah 17:57:08 <z-MaTRiX> so 17:57:26 <z-MaTRiX> train wants to pass one-way pathfinder signal from bask 17:57:30 <z-MaTRiX> *back 17:57:44 <planetmaker> original TTD also has another path finder ;-) 17:57:44 <z-MaTRiX> replacing to simple blocksignal solves problem 17:58:46 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: proof of concept with updating cur_order_index for service depot orders: http://rbijker.net/openttd/fs4440.diff 17:58:46 <planetmaker> well. Try the beta4 or so with the same savegame... 18:05:41 *** elmz_ [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:13:03 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 18:16:50 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 18:16:52 <fonsinchen> looks nice 18:16:56 <fonsinchen> I'll try it later 18:20:49 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:32:55 *** Tennel [~Tennel@farafin-gate.cs.uni-magdeburg.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:40:54 *** Markk [~mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:41:07 *** Markk [~mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has joined #openttd 18:44:18 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 18:44:37 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.176.59] has joined #openttd 18:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r21917 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 18:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: basque - 28 changes by Thadah 18:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 15 changes by adjayanto 18:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: japanese - 11 changes by kokubunzi 18:45:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: luxembourgish - 250 changes by Phreeze 18:45:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 130 changes by Luis_Mizuchiro 18:47:34 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:49:36 <z-MaTRiX> 2 way pathfinder fail 18:49:40 <z-MaTRiX> in latest beta 18:50:15 <SmatZ> wow, there is porn at youtube! 18:50:22 <Mazur> Is there? 18:50:28 <frosch123> likely not for long 18:50:34 <z-MaTRiX> 2 tracks crossing each other, 4 pathfinders 18:50:36 <SmatZ> has been there for at lest 8 hours 18:50:41 <Mazur> I looked but never found any. 18:50:51 <z-MaTRiX> train coming from bottom right to top left reserves whole track 18:52:10 <SmatZ> actually, it has been there since April 18:52:28 <z-MaTRiX> also train coming from top right to bottom down reserves whole track 18:53:24 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db80557.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:53:41 <planetmaker> SmatZ, the only really interesting question is: how did you find that? ;-) 18:54:08 * planetmaker guesses "by pure chance" 18:54:11 <planetmaker> trallalala 18:54:11 <SmatZ> :-D 18:55:46 <z-MaTRiX> howcome estimated cost of paying back 20000 euros loan is 0? 18:56:48 <z-MaTRiX> also stopping atrain costs 0 <; 18:56:53 <z-MaTRiX> good to know 18:59:55 *** Tennel [~Tennel@farafin-gate.cs.uni-magdeburg.de] has joined #openttd 19:01:54 <SmatZ> z-MaTRiX: indeed it's strange 19:02:14 <SmatZ> but... "by design" 19:02:35 <SmatZ> feel free to open a bugreport, unless there is one already 19:02:52 <z-MaTRiX> that does not cause problems 19:03:01 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF903A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:17 <Prof_Frink> z-MaTRiX: But does starting a train cost non-0? 19:03:51 *** maddy_ [~plaiho@182.21.240.77.static.louhi.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:04:03 <z-MaTRiX> stopping a train only cause profit loss 19:05:44 <z-MaTRiX> well bugs i see now is 2way pathfinder fail and 1-way pathfinder bug 19:06:56 <z-MaTRiX> just make a starburst line and place 2way pathfinders 19:08:39 <z-MaTRiX> and trains can be stuck in certain cases after coming out of depot on a 1-way line if it has 1-way pathfinder signal before 19:27:03 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@200.224.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: The bad thing about quit messages is that you never know how people react to them.] 19:28:11 <z-MaTRiX> nice little diagonal terraforming helper 19:28:43 <z-MaTRiX> best used with terraforming limiter 19:33:22 *** Tennel [~Tennel@farafin-gate.cs.uni-magdeburg.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:35:06 <z-MaTRiX> http://gizmodo.com/016525/worlds-largest-truck 19:35:15 <z-MaTRiX> What's huge, slow, and capable of hauling up to 400 tons of bullshit? 19:35:16 <z-MaTRiX> <; 19:36:12 <SmatZ> :) 19:42:00 <Prof_Frink> z-MaTRiX: An Arcturan Megabull. 19:43:41 <andythenorth> Ammler: planetmaker for a river boat (barge) does Rheinfall make any sense as a name? 19:44:36 <planetmaker> :-D - it does to a certain degree. But it's a rather funny name. You could call it also "Niagara falls" ;-) 19:45:13 <andythenorth> Well I might call another ship Niagra :) 19:45:46 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db80557.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:06 <planetmaker> and 2nd Rheinfall is phonetically the same as Reinfall - which means something along the lines of "non-starter" or "failure" 19:46:23 <Belugas> so... ship Niagra, sloop Viagra, oiler Negra... 19:46:35 <andythenorth> he 19:46:43 <Belugas> mmh... Viagra Falls 19:46:53 <Belugas> kinda like antonyms :) 19:47:04 <Belugas> antonym? 19:47:05 <Belugas> mmh... 19:48:42 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 19:49:10 <planetmaker> andythenorth: rather call it "Rhine class" or alike 19:49:19 <planetmaker> and then a Niagara class as well 19:49:31 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I don't want to name for real rivers :) 19:49:42 <planetmaker> with Rheinfall you do ;-) 19:49:43 <andythenorth> I already get pms from ardent boat fans 19:49:56 <planetmaker> it means "Rhine falls" 19:50:09 <andythenorth> ach 19:50:12 <andythenorth> I know 19:50:16 <andythenorth> maybe it was a bad idea though 19:50:29 <andythenorth> If I name it for something real I get more pms pointing out that x is too long / small / wide / blue / red etc 19:50:31 <planetmaker> hm... well :-) 19:50:54 <planetmaker> oh, the look at your local map. Look for the smallest creaks. And pick their names 19:51:04 <andythenorth> he 19:51:06 <andythenorth> frome 19:51:22 <andythenorth> seven estuary :P 19:51:30 <andythenorth> blind yeo 19:51:35 <planetmaker> :-D 19:51:38 <andythenorth> avon gorge 19:51:55 <planetmaker> Most doesn't sound too bad ;-) 19:52:12 <planetmaker> I'd only leave out the seven estuary ;-) 19:52:29 <andythenorth> bit obvious? 19:52:51 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF903A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:53:10 <planetmaker> :-) 19:53:19 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I want a european sounding name for river boats 19:53:25 <andythenorth> what's *your* nearest weird sounding river? 19:54:33 <planetmaker> Oker or Wabe 19:54:49 <planetmaker> but weired? :-) I'm used to them ;-) 19:54:57 <Ammler> [20:43] <andythenorth> Ammler: planetmaker for a river boat (barge) does Rheinfall make any sense as a name? <-- without h 19:55:03 <Rubidium> andythenorth: IJssel ? 19:56:25 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@zomg.dongues.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:54 <Rubidium> andythenorth: Our, Main, Ton? ;) 20:01:33 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I guess that loaded rafts being drawn outside the water in some cases is a known issue 20:03:14 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: how much of a problem would it be if/when automatic orders are "ignored" (not added or removed) when actually going for service with a "service at order" until it reaches the next manual order? 20:04:35 <andythenorth> Terkhen: same issue applies to other larger ships :( 20:04:40 <andythenorth> there's no fix, except smaller boats 20:04:47 <Rubidium> as my current diff has some drawbacks in the "oops, reusing already used bits department" and the whole mess could possibly be solved by temporarily ignoring automatic orders by simply setting some flag 20:06:16 <andythenorth> IJssel is good, but a weird capitalisation :D 20:06:31 <fonsinchen> Not much. Just that at the next stop, if there is another automatic order after that, cargodist wouldn't know which station to load cargo for. 20:06:33 <andythenorth> might get reported as a typo :P 20:06:39 <Belugas> Ruisseau ASec 20:07:08 <fonsinchen> Maybe there's a workaround for that. After all we know that we're ignoring auto orders at that point. 20:07:10 <Rubidium> andythenorth: but it isn't, although some might consider using the proper character for it... but that's *very* rarely used 20:07:33 *** dageek [~dageek@11.74.155.90.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openttd 20:10:04 <fonsinchen> Is there enough space to count the visited stations since we started to ignore the auto-orders. 20:10:20 <Terkhen> andythenorth: it's different from the "usual" issue, happens when they are loading while they are relatively "small" 20:10:34 <andythenorth> Terkhen: can you screenshot? 20:10:42 <andythenorth> I need to fix the log raft loading sequence anyway 20:10:49 <andythenorth> it's a bit of a tricky issue 20:10:57 <fonsinchen> Then I could easily find out which auto order we're actually heading for without the cur_order_index. 20:11:03 <andythenorth> Rubidium: does Schipbeek make sense as a name? 20:12:17 <andythenorth> or Ganzendiep? 20:12:22 <Rubidium> it's literally ship stream 20:12:34 <andythenorth> he 20:12:36 <andythenorth> might be ok 20:12:39 <andythenorth> or Kattendiep 20:13:04 <Rubidium> Ganzen = geese, Katten = cats 20:13:10 <Rubidium> not sure how to translate diep though 20:13:39 <Terkhen> andythenorth: http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/screenshots/log_raft.png 20:14:12 <andythenorth> Terkhen: I guess I have work to do :P 20:14:19 <Terkhen> :) 20:14:24 <Rubidium> "diep" is used in names of canals to tell it's navigable by ships, instead of used for draining water from low areas 20:14:26 <Terkhen> would you prefer a proper bug report at the FISH tracker? 20:14:34 <andythenorth> please 20:14:54 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: in what way would you use that? 20:15:41 <Rubidium> do some magic on the order list to make some guesses whether it's still following the automatic orders, just at a different place in the order list? 20:17:18 <fonsinchen> Yes, if it's set I just count the automatic order (which we haven't removed) from the previous mainenance order and then I can guess that this is the station we're heading for. 20:18:15 <fonsinchen> Or if it's just a flag I can shrug and say "nondeterministic" while just loading everything. 20:18:19 <fonsinchen> Also OK. 20:18:22 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@zomg.dongues.com] has joined #openttd 20:18:50 <Eddi|zuHause> "the dutch have a dozen words for canals" :p 20:21:24 *** dageek [~dageek@11.74.155.90.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21:46 *** TD [~torbenpaw@188.114.164.254] has joined #openttd 20:22:42 <TD> hi 20:23:25 <Terkhen> hi TD 20:24:22 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 20:26:07 <TD> how do i save a game on a dedicated server as a client? rcon pw save doesnt seem to work...:-( 20:26:49 <SmatZ> it should work 20:27:16 <TD> hmmm 20:27:24 <SmatZ> or is the name not optional? 20:27:26 <SmatZ> then 20:27:36 <SmatZ> rcon pw "save xxx.sav" 20:27:54 <SmatZ> TD: ^ 20:28:15 <Eddi|zuHause> how much work would it be to introduce the one-way arrows in a sloped version? 20:28:53 <SmatZ> *lot* 20:29:48 <andythenorth> is Landwasser a dumb name for a river boat? 20:29:56 <Eddi|zuHause> very :p 20:30:07 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5D7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:13 <TD> thanks that worked even though the file is now named XX.sav.sav and it doesnt work without the .sav in the end;-) 20:30:24 <SmatZ> ok :) 20:30:26 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landwasser 20:30:58 <andythenorth> ach LÃŒtschine 20:31:00 <andythenorth> that will do 20:31:03 <andythenorth> references HEQS :P 20:31:30 <andythenorth> HEQS vehicle names have a certain 'trivia quiz' element to them 20:31:36 <andythenorth> their are hidden meanings :) 20:31:39 <andythenorth> there /s 20:32:51 <TD> and someone should change the wiki as this says the command is rcon pw save <number | file> ;-) 20:33:01 <Terkhen> feel free to do so :) 20:34:34 <andythenorth> how do I encode an ÃŒ for nfo? 20:35:06 <Rubidium> add a thorn at the being of the string 20:36:29 * andythenorth learns something 20:36:30 <planetmaker> i.e. use only UTF-8 20:36:34 <andythenorth> hmm 20:36:47 <andythenorth> "ÃLÃŒtschine River Boat" made it worse 20:37:11 <planetmaker> how? 20:37:13 <Rubidium> then the source file isn't UTF-8 encoded 20:37:53 <andythenorth> my editor thinks it's "UTF-8, no BOM" 20:38:11 <Eddi|zuHause> that should be the right one 20:38:50 <andythenorth> do I need to add any control codes to the string? 20:38:59 <Eddi|zuHause> the thorn is the control code 20:39:01 <andythenorth> I have read the spec, but I can't follow it 100% 20:39:03 <Eddi|zuHause> but try 'C3 BC' instead of '"ÃŒ"' 20:41:15 <TD> there i fixed it... it might not be pretty but the information is there now! 20:41:26 <andythenorth> maybe I just do without the umlaut 20:41:41 *** DanM [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 20:41:46 <TD> cya 20:42:01 <andythenorth> River Boat / River Barge / River Freighter? 20:42:04 <andythenorth> which is better? 20:42:13 <frosch123> [21:28] <Eddi|zuHause> how much work would it be to introduce the one-way arrows in a sloped version? <- drawing 8 sprites? 20:42:49 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: and teaching openttd to use them? 20:43:01 *** TD [~torbenpaw@188.114.164.254] has quit [] 20:43:12 <frosch123> 12 actually 20:43:36 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: less than drawing 12 sprites 20:43:49 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, the YOU CANNOT PASS versions are also needed ;) 20:44:25 <__ln__> i think what gandalf said whas "you shall not pass" 20:44:32 <__ln__> -h 20:44:56 <planetmaker> :-) 20:45:04 * DanM is heading out, I will TTYL :D 20:45:06 *** DanM [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has left #openttd [] 20:45:36 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:46:40 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: last paragraph of http://usaerklaert.wordpress.com/2010/11/04/zeugs-weg-mit-den-richtern-her-mit-dem-urin-und-was-gandalf-wirklich-sagte/ ;) 20:47:05 *** dageek [~dageek@2001:8b0:ff85:0:223:6cff:fe87:e49c] has joined #openttd 20:49:53 *** dageek [~dageek@2001:8b0:ff85:0:223:6cff:fe87:e49c] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:51:10 <Mazur> The Black Knight, however, said: "None shall pass!" 20:51:31 <Mazur> Or, possibly: "Nun shall pass." 20:56:21 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db80557.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:17 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.14.158] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:21 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.14.158] has joined #openttd 21:20:21 <__ln__> of course the whole movie (and the book) was dubbed into english and gandalf was really speaking elvish to the balrog. 21:31:33 <andythenorth> ho 21:31:44 * andythenorth just found the link to the ottd dev documentation 21:31:50 <andythenorth> that makes things a bit easier :P 21:31:57 <planetmaker> you mean map array? 21:31:59 <planetmaker> etc 21:32:13 <andythenorth> no 21:32:19 <andythenorth> I mean doxygen stuff: http://docs.openttd.org/ 21:32:20 <Rubidium> the wiki? 21:35:04 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: strangely, it's not mentioned in the topic. 21:35:18 <andythenorth> it's moderately useful :P 21:35:49 <andythenorth> I mean, it's fun grepping source and following nested back functions 21:35:55 <planetmaker> it's not something players and average users need 21:36:39 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: the whole channel is not something players and average users need 21:36:51 <planetmaker> oh right 21:37:10 <planetmaker> but those all-time-here-people don't care about the topic. 21:37:23 <planetmaker> But the "hey, I have a question users" can be pointed at it 21:37:24 <SmatZ> there's a topic here? wow! 21:38:52 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:46:01 <Terkhen> andythenorth: feel free to document anything that you can't find there :) 21:53:51 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 21:59:37 *** supermop [~daniel_er@82-69-99-113.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:05:51 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f74ec.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:27 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.176.59] has left #openttd [] 22:17:33 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 22:17:39 *** johnttd [553ce567@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:19:56 *** johnttd [553ce567@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [] 22:20:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-175-162.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 22:24:07 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:43 <Terkhen> good night 22:32:55 <supermop> good night 22:40:47 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76548.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21918 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#4443]: Languages improperly sorted in the "start server" window (adf88) 22:44:30 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77A4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:09 *** supermop [~daniel_er@82-69-99-113.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: supermop] 23:02:14 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF903A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:18 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 23:07:13 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 23:18:19 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 23:19:11 <DanMacK> Night all 23:19:15 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 23:21:57 *** DJ_Nekkid [~Thomas@static128-249.mimer.net] has joined #openttd 23:22:10 <DJ_Nekkid> in hotkeys.cfg there is: 23:22:11 <DJ_Nekkid> build_road = SHIFT+F8 23:22:32 <DJ_Nekkid> is it also possible to add build_tram = 'key' there? 23:23:38 <Rubidium> build_tram would equal build_elrail or build_maglev, or whatever 23:23:49 <Rubidium> i.e. selecting something from the dropdown 23:24:45 <DJ_Nekkid> speaking of witch, that would be nice :) 23:25:08 <Rubidium> yes, it'd be magic 23:25:09 <DJ_Nekkid> atleast a build_rail_next 23:25:15 <DJ_Nekkid> and build_road_next 23:25:16 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.197.143] has quit [Quit: Never look down on someone unless you're helping them up.] 23:25:22 <DJ_Nekkid> so one could cycle 23:27:03 <DJ_Nekkid> but i guess i have had my share of feature req's lately :) 23:30:56 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.197.143] has joined #openttd 23:37:20 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-4d03771a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:37:40 *** Chruker [~no@87-104-39-161-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk] has quit [] 23:41:06 <Mazur> You cn make it my feature request. 23:45:25 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 23:46:33 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:57:33 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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