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for a starter - only modifies the default properties of houses without giving them new graphics 07:00:50 <planetmaker> so that they then might accept food or coal or alike 07:04:35 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.249.251] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:08:40 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:10:09 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.249.251] has joined #openttd 07:10:44 *** amkoroew1 [~Heinz@p5B103220.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:15:35 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B102F51.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:21:09 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:21:09 <andythenorth> planetmaker: sounds good 07:23:00 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 07:28:58 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:34:11 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-62-98.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [] 07:34:56 <Terkhen> hmm... will the cargos be configurable? 07:35:24 <andythenorth> params? 07:35:44 <andythenorth> hmm 07:36:06 * andythenorth ponders a town newgrf that does something with acceptance of base set houses 07:36:54 <planetmaker> Terkhen: partially that's possible. Fully... it's missing gui support on the openttd side 07:37:12 <planetmaker> dword2label ;-) 07:37:25 <planetmaker> enter the label as decimal number and it's feasible 07:38:14 <Terkhen> hmmm... so the missing part is converting text such as (COAL) into something the NewGRF can understand? still it would require users to know about cargo labels 07:38:53 <planetmaker> Terkhen: yes, it would. But that'd be an advanced setting for those who know 07:39:18 <planetmaker> one could combine a selection of default and a 2nd param which is user-configurable that way 07:39:23 <planetmaker> and use the latter only when set 07:39:38 <Terkhen> yes, for normal users a selection of common presets would do 07:39:40 <planetmaker> it would also help supermob's depot grf 07:42:14 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@d58-111-76-230.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:42:38 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@d58-111-76-230.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 07:43:06 <andythenorth> he comes, he goes :P 07:46:07 <Terkhen> :) 07:51:54 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-10-110.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 07:55:47 * Terkhen wonders how can he have very low connectivity when he's at 2m from the access point 08:02:15 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:07:04 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.249.251] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:08:34 <planetmaker> Terkhen, remove your signal attenuator ;-) 08:10:13 <Terkhen> it's probably the access point fault, usually I don't have problems 08:10:24 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.249.251] has joined #openttd 08:12:14 <planetmaker> :-) 08:18:06 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 08:19:45 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 08:21:20 *** ar3k [~ident@ebn116.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 08:21:22 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 08:21:34 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 08:35:26 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 08:38:55 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:47:32 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5110.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:59:25 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:10:17 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:11:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.177.74] has joined #openttd 09:15:25 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 09:16:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C4C8.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:20:04 *** zydeco [~zydeco@163.165.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 09:20:47 <zydeco> good morning 09:24:38 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:28:41 <planetmaker> moin zydeco 09:30:38 <V453000> elo 10:03:32 <peter1138> weird. all the irc channels i'm on are idle. 10:07:28 <V453000> same here. everybody died probably 10:10:14 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 10:11:14 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0cc300.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:11:48 <Terkhen> I'm writing documentation, which is more or less the same thing than dying 10:14:25 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:15:21 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5110.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 10:16:29 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d823de4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:27:52 <andythenorth> it's oh so quiet 10:29:59 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5110.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:29:59 <Vikthor> Maybe everybody else had also been writing documentation ;) 10:30:53 <zydeco> I'm implementing CJK input in mac os x 10:31:02 <zydeco> but it only works on 10.6 or later 10:31:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.249.251] has left #openttd [] 10:37:34 <Terkhen> that sounds boring too 10:46:58 <zydeco> there's some code from mozilla 10:47:00 <zydeco> nsAutoRetainCocoaObject kungFuDeathGrip(self); 10:47:58 <Terkhen> :D 10:52:18 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:55:25 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-10-110.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:55:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:55:25 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:55:30 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 11:01:44 <Eddi|zuHause> large town houses built before 1960 (value open to discussion) should accept coal 11:02:01 <Eddi|zuHause> and maybe small town houses accept wood? 11:02:11 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:02:16 <Eddi|zuHause> nah, that's silly 11:02:29 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe large town houses before 1850 accept wood? 11:02:53 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0cc300.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:03:34 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.249.251] has joined #openttd 11:05:19 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.18.99.114] has joined #openttd 11:09:01 * andythenorth wishes there were interesting disasters 11:09:15 <andythenorth> and that they were scaled according to the amount of money you have 11:09:44 <andythenorth> "gangsters demand protection money - 50% of net income" 11:09:59 <andythenorth> "proceed to old kent road" 11:10:00 <andythenorth> etc 11:11:51 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm87.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:14:03 <andythenorth> NewDisasters :P 11:19:52 *** v3rb0 [~v3rb0@78.84.201.137] has joined #openttd 11:28:40 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc16-aztw25-2-0-cust45.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:35:08 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.249.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:43:43 <Eddi|zuHause> clearly you need a station spread of 32768 on a 32768^2 map 11:44:39 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 11:45:45 <zydeco> so you only need one station? 11:47:34 <Eddi|zuHause> only one station won't work, you need two stations, but you can send the train with cargo both ways 11:53:37 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:54:31 <planetmaker> zydeco, that's fine enough for a start 11:54:58 <planetmaker> though a 10.4+ implementation would be preferrable ;-) 11:55:06 <zydeco> I'm trying that now 11:55:48 <planetmaker> be sure to attach the patch to the appropriate flyspray entry :-) 11:55:56 <zydeco> of course 11:55:59 <planetmaker> I'll gladly go over it 11:56:16 <zydeco> the 10.6+ code is nice and clean 11:56:23 <zydeco> but the other one is quite ugly 11:56:25 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f72caff.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:56:34 <planetmaker> you could also for discussion purposes attach both ;-) 11:56:40 * andythenorth_ should upgrade to 10.6 :P 11:56:45 <andythenorth_> and also learn to speak CJK 11:56:48 <planetmaker> andythenorth_, wait for 10.7 ;-) 11:57:14 <andythenorth_> I've never been behind the curve before 11:57:24 <andythenorth_> must be a sign of maturity for either me, or the OS :P 12:00:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host220-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:01:11 <Wolf01> hello 12:02:03 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 12:02:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:02:19 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.184.238] has joined #openttd 12:09:44 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:19:38 <planetmaker> hi Wolf01 12:40:59 *** fjb is now known as Guest2493 12:41:00 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFFD97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:48:06 *** Guest2493 [~frank@p5DDFD91A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:50:05 *** DanMacK [~DanM@bas8-london14-1279480034.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 12:57:00 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0cc300.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:59:33 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c36:20cd:6f17:50a4] has joined #openttd 12:59:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:00:09 * andythenorth_ is considering vcs for a new project 13:00:18 <andythenorth_> how does openttd use both hg and svn? 13:00:21 <DanMacK> vcs? 13:00:30 <andythenorth_> can commits be made via hg, or svn only? 13:00:30 <glx> andythenorth_: and git 13:00:36 <andythenorth_> git is on our list too 13:00:40 <glx> commits are via svn only 13:00:49 <andythenorth_> so git & hg are checkout only? 13:01:03 <glx> kind of synchronised clones 13:01:21 <andythenorth_> anyone care to comment on their preferred vcs of hg / git / svn? 13:01:51 <glx> it depends on what you exactly need 13:02:03 <andythenorth_> distributed vcs preferred by me 13:02:10 <andythenorth_> I dislike svn 13:02:12 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:17 <andythenorth_> it doesn't encourage atomic commits 13:03:13 <andythenorth_> is migrating from svn to hg / git later a viable plan for a new project? 13:03:18 <andythenorth_> or does that lose revision history? 13:04:06 <Terkhen> mercurial has tools that allow you to import that, git probably has them too 13:05:21 <planetmaker> the question is: why would you start with one and migrate later - if you know it already now? 13:05:32 <andythenorth_> the rest of the team don't know hg 13:05:34 <andythenorth_> or git 13:06:02 <andythenorth_> and we don't want to risk our project on new tools 13:06:08 <planetmaker> well. If they use tortoiseSVN they'll find it easy to use TortoiseHG 13:06:23 <andythenorth_> they're more command-line driven :D 13:06:30 <planetmaker> good :-) 13:06:36 <andythenorth_> and it's a question of deploying production code to multiple boxes 13:06:47 <andythenorth_> in a managed way 13:06:53 <andythenorth_> with a lot of python packages in play 13:06:59 <planetmaker> point of, say, hg vs. svn: with hg you can do offline commits. With svn you can't 13:07:05 <andythenorth_> I know 13:07:07 <andythenorth_> I like that 13:07:26 <Terkhen> also hg usually works faster because of that 13:07:27 <planetmaker> It should not be a problem, if the people know svn 13:07:44 <planetmaker> then they could just as well use hg. I *think*. 13:07:50 <planetmaker> But... easy to say that I know and use both 13:08:13 <planetmaker> so it depends on other boundary conditions 13:10:06 <planetmaker> the "backdraw" of hg over svn is that only the hash is unique. The revision number is not necessarily the same on your and my machine 13:10:21 <planetmaker> but that's the case for every dvcs 13:11:48 <zydeco> why is there a quickdraw window driver 13:11:57 <planetmaker> why not? 13:12:00 <zydeco> my cjk input doesn't work with it :p 13:12:13 <planetmaker> he 13:12:25 <zydeco> and it also doesn't work in full screen 13:12:34 <planetmaker> :-( 13:12:40 <planetmaker> also not the 10.6 only version? 13:12:50 <zydeco> no, full screen captures the whole screen 13:12:52 <zydeco> so no windows can show 13:18:17 <peter1138> planetmaker, drawback :S 13:21:43 *** DanMacK [~DanM@bas8-london14-1279480034.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:28:05 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0cc300.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:32:46 <dihedral> oi 13:33:30 <peter1138> oi? 13:33:48 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-83-196.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 13:41:20 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc16-aztw25-2-0-cust45.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 13:42:57 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.249.251] has joined #openttd 13:50:14 <planetmaker> peter1138, well, it is. A simple number is easier to grasp on first sight than a rather lengthy hash 13:50:30 <planetmaker> IMHO it doesn't outweigh any of the other advantages of dvcs, though 13:52:11 <peter1138> planetmaker, as opposed to... "backdraw" ? 13:52:44 <peter1138> sorry, i didn't actually read what you were talking about, only picked up on the word :) 13:52:50 <peter1138> (and i like git) 13:53:14 <peter1138> the hash *is* the 'revision number' 13:55:45 <blathijs> planetmaker: Btw, if offline commits is the only thing you want for svn, try svk :-) 13:55:58 <peter1138> svk... uck. 13:56:20 <blathijs> planetmaker: (I am totally fan of using hg, or even better, git, for a ton of additional reasons) 14:00:29 <planetmaker> blathijs, peter1138: I'm not advising svn here ;-) - but it's something which can be a (weak) argument. 14:01:39 <blathijs> What I've always wandered, is why hg didn't just use incremental revision numbers per branch 14:02:12 <blathijs> that is, number each revision by the number of commits since the root commit 14:03:10 <blathijs> so they are the same in different repository, but there might be double revisions in different branches 14:03:35 <Mazur> Id there anywhere a list of webpage detailing the order in which certain NewGRFs must be to work well? 14:03:42 <Mazur> s/of/or/ 14:04:21 <andythenorth> hmm 14:04:27 <andythenorth> fish cargo is a total winner in FIRS now 14:04:37 <andythenorth> barely any infrastructure needed 14:04:37 <blathijs> but I guess such a number gets complicated when branching and merging 14:04:39 <andythenorth> high paying 14:05:16 <andythenorth> @seen frosch123 14:05:16 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: frosch123 was last seen in #openttd 18 hours, 14 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <frosch123> will take a look the groundsprite case later 14:05:47 <planetmaker> blathijs, but it counts things from the first revision onward. But having double, tripple or whatever version numbers would be quite bad 14:06:07 <planetmaker> I could after all merge a number of (previously) independent projects - what then? 14:06:27 <Belugas> hello 14:06:32 <planetmaker> hi Belugas 14:07:06 <Belugas> mister bright planetmaker! 14:21:04 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:33:19 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:55:03 <Eddi|zuHause> merging branches takes the maximum their respective "sequential commit numbers", and adds 1 14:55:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i see no immediate problem with that 15:03:30 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, but with hg I can also merge two unreleated repositories. As such I'd get n + m + 1 as the new revision number; thus one repo would need to be re-numbered. 15:04:04 <planetmaker> like, for example, where the nforenum repository was merged into the grfcodec one. 15:05:09 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: what would make pulling from a new repo different from just creating a new branch? 15:06:51 <planetmaker> the lack of heredity 15:07:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, so both can start counting at 0... i don't see the problem... 15:09:17 <planetmaker> and the whole point was: having a revision number twice is probably not a good idea. Thus one of those would need re-numbering upon a merge 15:11:00 <Eddi|zuHause> and i said, it wouldn't need renumbering... 15:11:19 <planetmaker> if you accept double revision numbers 15:14:43 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.249.251] has left #openttd [] 15:17:24 <zydeco> ok, I managed to get CJK working on 10.4+ 15:18:14 <zydeco> on 10.6+, the input window appears under the current field, on older versions it's global 15:25:02 <zydeco> oh, I must still test things with that evil backquote key 15:29:57 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8990.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:41:02 *** Krusen [~as.if@89.184.153.221] has joined #openttd 15:55:57 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:11:58 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0cc300.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:13:40 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:13:58 * ZirconiumX is annoyed 16:14:21 <ZirconiumX> I still can't find LordAro 16:14:25 <ZirconiumX> @logs 16:14:25 <DorpsGek> ZirconiumX: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 16:14:44 <zydeco> :o 16:19:55 <dihedral> @seen LordAro 16:19:55 <DorpsGek> dihedral: LordAro was last seen in #openttd 3 days, 23 hours, 15 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <LordAro> hmmm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zb64y6Nvs0 16:20:07 <dihedral> what's wrong with you? cant he take a break? 16:20:14 <dihedral> :-P 16:20:47 <ZirconiumX> that's almost 2 weeks since I've last seen him 16:21:03 <ZirconiumX> a very long break at that 16:21:08 <planetmaker> I have _seen_ only a few people which lurk in this channel ;-) 16:21:27 <Terkhen> he's always active at the forums 16:21:29 <ZirconiumX> s/seen/talked 16:21:46 <planetmaker> and if I want to get hold of a person urgently who is not here... I write a forum mail or e-mail. 16:21:56 <ZirconiumX> happy now? 16:22:24 <planetmaker> sorry, no. I'd be happy, if I had these exams already off my desk 16:22:51 * ZirconiumX moves the exams off the desk 16:23:01 * ZirconiumX puts them on the floor 16:23:06 <SmatZ> :) 16:23:07 <ZirconiumX> happy now? 16:23:09 <planetmaker> hmpf ;-) 16:23:09 <__ln__> tilt the table to 45 degrees for a while 16:23:26 <planetmaker> __ln__, that'd interrupt communications probably quite hard ;-) 16:23:38 <planetmaker> though... computer is on other desk :-P 16:23:52 * ZirconiumX turns __ln__'s table 45 degrees 16:25:33 * ZirconiumX has a unique service, for making people laugh 16:26:07 <dihedral> depends around which axis you want to turn the table :-P 16:26:54 <ZirconiumX> turns table 45degrees to the X, 45 degrees to the Y, 45 degrees to the Z 16:27:08 <ZirconiumX> 45 degrees truthwise 16:27:52 * dihedral tries to picture ..... 16:29:28 <ZirconiumX> dihedral probably fails 16:33:56 * Belugas loves cryptic error messages : "Exception : The I/O operation has been aborted because of either a thread exit or an application request." 16:34:09 <Belugas> good luck finding who what where or when 16:34:19 <peter1138> i like "An error occurred: Success" 16:34:50 <ZirconiumX> mkdir yellow_pages; cat yellow_pages 16:35:04 <ZirconiumX> yellow_pages: Is a directory 16:35:59 <fonsinchen> Well, that's what the cat tells you about yellow pages. What's the problem? ;) 16:38:39 <ZirconiumX> cat "can of food" 16:38:48 <ZirconiumX> cat: cannot open can of food 16:38:56 <ZirconiumX> the cat must be hungry then 16:39:31 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: smatz * r22137 /trunk/config.lib: -Codechange: enable -Wnon-virtual-dtor for all GCC versions 16:40:01 <ZirconiumX> http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/gcc.html 16:40:14 <ZirconiumX> Wcast-spell 16:45:30 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 16:50:15 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0cc300.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:54:36 <Belugas> hehe :) 16:54:46 <SmatZ> :-D 16:54:58 <ZirconiumX> C+- 16:55:10 <ZirconiumX> (Pronounced C more or less) 16:55:17 <ZirconiumX> http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/c+-.html 16:57:26 * zydeco likes #pragma dwim 16:59:39 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-233-148.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:05:39 <ZirconiumX> this would make UNIX interesting 17:05:41 <ZirconiumX> http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/error-haiku.html 17:08:01 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 17:09:07 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f72caff.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:13:00 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:04 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 17:13:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19A76.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:17:54 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:43:19 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:44:46 *** rane [~rane@smtp.gentoo.org] has joined #openttd 17:45:09 <rane> ehh two "bumps" on mainline and i am getting jams entire game 17:45:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:55 <planetmaker> use realistic acceleration 17:50:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffadf.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:50:53 <rane> is there any good site with fairly fresh savegames? 17:51:04 <rane> i feel my ttd kungfu is gone and i'd like to refresh it somehow 17:51:12 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 17:52:08 <rane> for example for the love of god i can't figure out how long my trains should be:-) 17:52:51 <rane> i remember building 6 tiles long when i last played but that doesn't work now at all, they wait ages for pickup and businesses close down because deliveries are twice a year only 17:54:04 <Ammler> rane: use timetable instead full load 17:54:34 <Ammler> if the 2nd train arrives, let the 1st one go, also if not completely full 17:58:24 <Eddi|zuHause> you start out with small trains, and make them bigger as the industries grow 18:01:20 <rane> i'll try that 18:01:39 <rane> without timetables i typically can't go beyond 80% delivered and that doesn't encourage growth at all 18:01:56 <rane> final thing i struggle with, i have no idea how to organize priority for mainline with path signals 18:02:12 <rane> only way i can figure is trying to let mainline train reserve more track prior to crossing 18:02:37 <rane> but that ruins my signal every 2 tiles rule and trains behind prioritised train start stopping causing even more trouble 18:04:17 <Eddi|zuHause> afair you just need above 67% for increased growth chance 18:04:55 <Eddi|zuHause> path signals don't really have a way of doing priorities 18:05:12 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe check this out: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Priority 18:05:39 <rane> there could be "priority" variants for normal signals 18:05:50 <rane> as a feature 18:12:53 *** v3rb0 [~v3rb0@78.84.201.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:14:17 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: yexo * r22138 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix: skipping only the invalid part of an action14 failed, the rest of the action was skipped instead 18:14:32 <rane> :-) it's still developed! 18:14:37 <ZirconiumX> Might as well face it you're addicted to vi! 18:14:54 <ZirconiumX> http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/vi.song.html 18:15:47 <rane> "You won't look at emacs, no you'd just rather die" 18:15:49 <rane> totally agree 18:22:04 <ZirconiumX> Where is nano and ed placed then? 18:26:20 <rane> wow realistic acceleration is awesome 18:28:00 <rane> but i need to rebuild crossings to avoid double 45s :-) 18:29:32 <supermop> its worth it 18:32:49 <Ammler> well, double 45s is also realistic, trains do slow down on short curves 18:34:19 <rane> i'd expect that yes 18:34:34 <rane> when i move to timetables, i should stop using "wait for full", right? 18:37:20 <supermop> yeah 18:37:46 <supermop> although you might want to when you are testing out a route 18:38:09 <supermop> to get a rough idea how long a full load takes for a particular train 18:38:39 <planetmaker> if there's enough cargo waiting it'll load full anyway 18:39:00 <supermop> I usually spend about 1 game year on a new route figuring out the optimal timetable 18:39:49 <supermop> occasionally it has taken much loger 18:40:17 <rane> game goes so fast 18:40:42 <planetmaker> doesn't really matter. you can play endlessly 18:41:04 <supermop> on one line (before the departure board patch existed), 18:42:23 <rane> what's departure board patch? 18:42:34 <rane> is that where "leave when another train arrives" is? 18:43:07 <Eddi|zuHause> no, has nothing to do with each other 18:43:30 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm87.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 18:43:52 <supermop> i had a line i started planning in the 60s 18:44:20 <supermop> double track, 5 stations about equally spaced, not too far apart 18:44:57 <supermop> and then a 6th station much further away 18:45:26 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: translators * r22139 /trunk/src/lang/ (belarusian.txt unfinished/frisian.txt): 18:45:26 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:26 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: belarusian - 1 changes by KorneySan 18:45:26 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: frisian - 42 changes by Taeke 18:45:26 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: slovenian - 30 changes by 18:45:26 <supermop> most trains terminated at station 5, but every 3rd train continued to 6 18:45:44 <supermop> where it would lay up after un loading 18:45:51 <supermop> on a side track, 18:46:06 <supermop> then return to 6 to load after the next train unloaded 18:46:28 <supermop> about 3 month overall cycle in the timetables in game 18:47:12 <supermop> started operation in the 70s with manley morell dmus, had to upgrade to dash dmus in the middle of planning 18:47:25 <supermop> eventually got it all sorted aroung 2020 18:48:17 <supermop> but was like the satisfaction of watching a mechanical clock when it was all done 18:50:05 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED662EB.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:50:37 <rane> where's the trigger to leave when a new train of same schedule arrives? 18:51:02 <supermop> there is none 18:51:10 <supermop> you just have to figure it out 18:51:26 <rane> oh 18:51:29 <rane> darn. 18:51:38 <rane> but first traffic jam and it all is ruined 18:51:59 <supermop> at least i am not away of any 18:51:59 <rane> because i need to launch them at specific times so they don't bunch together 18:52:04 <supermop> yeah 18:52:15 <supermop> you can do that with a very specific timetable 18:52:53 <rane> i have a lot of random traffic dumped into one 2+2 line that takes everything everywhere 18:58:08 <supermop> one approach would be to use one track in each direction just for timetabled traffic 18:58:31 <supermop> so that you do not have to try to schedule everything all at once 18:58:56 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:58:59 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:59:30 <rane> and it really works better than "wait for full"? 19:01:12 <supermop> depends, there is a huge commitment you have to put in 19:01:49 <supermop> but i have found that you need less 'bandwith' on your lines if they are well timetabled 19:02:09 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:08:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76995.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:09:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76995.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:13:55 <rane> i don't think i will be able to make it perfect but i plan using it more now 19:14:06 <rane> especially that jams on my "bumps" are gone with new accel. model 19:14:35 <supermop> I find it fun in itself 19:14:59 <rane> lots of micro:-\ 19:15:29 <supermop> often in games, there is no real challenge to make money, but as your network grows, optimizing it gets more difficult 19:17:23 <rane> indeed 19:17:28 <rane> i fail terribly at optimization 19:19:08 <Alberth> so OpenTTD seems like a good challenge to you then ;) 19:20:40 <rane> :-) 19:21:03 <rane> my junctions look like a bowl of spaghetti half-eaten by two pitbulls 19:21:04 *** ar3k [~ident@ebo133.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 19:24:11 <SmatZ> hehe, AD to "make your computer faster in 2 minutes!" at tt-forums :p 19:24:37 <SmatZ> hmm I have to download some exe... 19:25:34 <Eddi|zuHause> don't worry... when did something bad ever happen from downloading an exe 19:26:14 <SmatZ> hmm it doesn't run under wine :/ 19:26:16 <SmatZ> hehe :) 19:27:30 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ebn116.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:28:40 <dihedral> SmatZ, :-) 19:29:30 <SmatZ> hello dih :) 19:29:38 <dihedral> hey ho :-) 19:31:18 <Alberth> rane: but those are much more fun to make 19:32:29 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 19:32:43 <zydeco> there, I put my patch on http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2484 19:32:46 <zydeco> with screenshots :) 19:32:49 <rane> i have like half clover leaves with two extra tracks wrapped on the outside of everything and now due to realistic acceleration i extended clover leave exits even further to avoid 2x 45 turns and then added some extra tracks beyond those extended exits 19:33:00 <rane> it's kind of amusing how poorly it looks 19:33:03 <rane> and how well it works 19:33:58 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76995.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34:06 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76995.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:42 <Eddi|zuHause> "Dieses Video ist in deinem Land nicht verfÃŒgbar." 19:35:50 <Eddi|zuHause> go fuck yourselves! 19:36:09 <rane> foxy proxy! 19:37:04 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: torrentz :-) 19:39:03 <rane> or get a vpn 19:39:31 <rane> it's a duty to get around their silly restrictions, show them they can't stop the internet;-) 19:40:16 <dihedral> zydeco, your patch should perhaps also take care of the requirements? 19:40:23 <dihedral> i.e. add the notice to some txt file? 19:41:19 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 19:42:10 <Eddi|zuHause> for proper timetabling it would be immensely useful to know the figures like "x km/h equals y tiles per {day|100 ticks}" 19:43:50 <rane> i used autofill + 20 days to account for potential breakdowns 19:44:08 <rane> which by the way are irritating as hell 19:45:20 * Alberth buys Eddi approx 2000 tiles straight track 19:45:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:52:02 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:45 *** gerard [5356640e@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:53:58 *** Macha [~Macha@109.78.83.148] has joined #openttd 19:54:30 <gerard> OpenTTD version 1.0.5 Win7 64bit, how can I enable tooltips on hover? 19:54:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: i mean they are static values throughout the game, they could be documented somewhere 19:54:44 <gerard> right clicking feels a bit weird 19:54:48 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:54:48 <Terkhen> gerard: you can't, that feature is only present in 1.1.0 19:55:51 <gerard> ah ok, I'll switch to testing then 19:57:57 <gerard> ok, seems to work, thanks 19:58:20 <gerard> 1s is still a bit too long I think though 19:58:31 <gerard> would be nice to also have the choice for 0 and 0.5 s 19:59:05 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:01:21 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:15:23 <zydeco> why does GHK_CRASH exist? 20:16:04 <zydeco> oh, it only exists in debug 20:18:16 <zydeco> it was interfering with entering text using unicode hex input 20:20:57 <Eddi|zuHause> HAHAHA :p 20:21:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sorry. but that really is funny :) 20:25:42 <zydeco> but who would ever want such a hotkey_ 20:25:54 *** Macha [~Macha@109.78.83.148] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:31:30 <Terkhen> heh :D 20:32:07 <Terkhen> new answer to all questions: "to do X, press ALT+0" 20:32:32 <zydeco> but it's only active in debug builds 20:32:40 <Terkhen> :) 20:37:07 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-28-255-183.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:39:22 *** Macha [~Macha@109.78.83.148] has joined #openttd 20:39:54 <Ammler> what is the difference to the money cheat? 20:44:05 <glx> not the same hotkey 20:45:25 <rane> what kind of maps do you play single player? 20:45:41 <rane> 128x512 is the most popular setting? 20:45:52 <V453000> 512*512 is best imo 20:46:01 <rane> it's gigantic 20:46:08 <rane> it's 2000s before i connect coal:-| 20:46:12 <Markk> I usually play on 1024x2048 or 2048x2048 20:46:20 <rane> wow 20:46:31 <supermop> 64x64 can be very fun too 20:46:36 <Markk> Yep 20:46:37 <Markk> :) 20:46:52 <rane> got saves? ;-) 20:47:08 <Markk> Not on this unit. 20:47:11 <rane> there's 800 coal mines on 2048^2 20:48:02 <rane> 3 trains per each that's 2500 trains alone for coal 20:48:33 <rane> you connect all to one power station? 20:49:34 <rane> do you have buses in all 1000 towns? :-) 20:49:47 <rane> i have hard time imagining to play on such a scale 20:50:49 <Vikthor> that's why various daylenght patches exist 20:50:59 <rane> daylength patches? 20:51:12 <Alberth> rane: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/PublicServer:Archive <-- look here for such games 20:51:45 <Terkhen> ^ don't look too much at once there or you might get a headache :) 20:51:58 <rane> hah 20:51:59 <Vikthor> rane: patches that make one day last longer, slowing the date 20:52:06 <zydeco> lol 20:52:10 <rane> i'd want such a patch actually 20:52:10 <Vikthor> *slowing the change of game 20:52:21 <rane> time really flies here 20:52:34 <rane> and i don't want tgv too soon 20:52:47 <Terkhen> hmm... this reminds me I wanted to check one of those self regulating networks 20:54:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i've grown fond of daylength 8 20:55:39 <Terkhen> too complicated for me :P 20:56:02 <Vikthor> yeah, daylength 8 is nice 20:56:46 <Eddi|zuHause> for me it's the right balance for getting time to actually connect larger parts of the map, but still have some technological advancement 20:58:18 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem is, the original daylength is so tightly intertwined with the game mechanics, that no clean way to introduce daylength exists... 20:58:34 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03:29 <Zuu> The recent change of the opcodes budget has probably broken the break on log string feature. 21:06:33 <Eddi|zuHause> how so? 21:07:05 <Zuu> Since break on log string does not work, and that change is the only one I have seen recently that could be the reason. 21:07:18 <Zuu> At least without taking a lookn in the code. 21:07:26 <Terkhen> does it work correctly in the revision before that? 21:07:41 <Zuu> Not sure, but it did work just a few days ago. 21:08:16 <Zuu> break on log string works such that whenever a log string matches it uses up all opcodes. 21:08:31 <Zuu> It is probably the formula there for how many opcodes to use that needs updating. 21:09:02 <Zuu> It resides in InvalidateData of ai debug window. 21:09:23 <Zuu> well, maybe not there, but the call that you can trace to find where it happens. 21:15:16 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@ip54537001.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:16:05 <Zuu> Line 670 in ai_instance.cpp it is. 21:16:08 *** Macha [~Macha@109.78.83.148] has left #openttd [] 21:17:10 *** vb [4f7261f7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:17:20 <vb> hi 21:17:30 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:17:32 <vb> how do i remove a wagon and not replace it with anything? 21:17:33 <Alberth> hi 21:17:57 <vb> i got lots of trains with caboose, which i don't need anymore 21:18:22 <Zuu> Find a NewGRF with a very short wagon to replace it with? 21:18:34 <Zuu> Or wait for consists to be implemented. 21:18:42 <vb> what? 21:19:22 <Zuu> A consist = a sequence of wagons 21:19:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:19:48 <vb> uhm 21:19:49 <Zuu> Thus with consits + reworked autoreplace it will be possible to define changes from one consist to another. 21:20:08 <Zuu> But it is all just ideas so far. 21:20:10 <vb> is there no other possible way? 21:20:31 <frosch123> Zuu: it could as well be r22135 21:20:47 *** Eggman891 [~Eggman891@cpc7-staf7-2-0-cust542.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:21:03 <Zuu> If you know C++, you could maybe hack togeather something that removes wagons with zero capacity and no power when trains visit depots. 21:21:08 <frosch123> can you check which revision broke it? 21:21:26 <Zuu> Sure, I'm currently compiling last rev to debug it. 21:21:30 <Terkhen> vb: I'm afraid there is no easy way to do that 21:21:55 <Terkhen> I would just send them all to depot and buy new ones, it's probably faster than replacing them one by one 21:23:11 <rane> one thing i can't get around of 21:23:20 <rane> when i use path signals and there's a traffic jam somewhere 21:23:27 <rane> trains will flip around and travel wrong side 21:23:39 <rane> is there a setting to prevent them from ever turning around? 21:23:50 <rane> and just wait until i fix it? 21:25:33 <Vikthor> yes, in 1.1.0-RC1 there is, I believe, Under vehicles, trains. 21:29:45 <Ammler> vb, replace the engine with a double head and set "remove waggon", then replace the double head back to one head 21:30:00 <vb> what? 21:30:19 <vb> are you sure that's gonna work? 21:30:35 <Ammler> if you replace a engine with a longer (double), it will automatically remove the last waggon 21:30:46 <dihedral> visual basic? 21:30:52 <Ammler> so the train lenght keeps the same 21:31:35 <vb> hmm 21:32:03 <vb> i think i will just send to depot the trains that still have a caboose 21:33:01 <Ammler> hmm, actually not sure, if those would be determined as waggons :-/ 21:33:07 <Eddi|zuHause> one could almost think the internet has some kind of humor: http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/yafv3c33/184236_10150110798334015_806329014_6.jpg 21:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: sure it doesn't remove the first wagon? 21:35:23 <Ammler> no :-) 21:35:38 <Ammler> (was just an idea) 21:35:40 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@ip54537001.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:43:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 21:43:32 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:43:53 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@ip54537001.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:45:55 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ebo133.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 21:46:11 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:48:34 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: frosch * r22140 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Fix (r22135): I like the letter 'l' nevertheless. (Alberth) 21:52:26 *** ar3k [~ident@ebo133.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:26 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED662EB.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:52:59 <Zuu> planetmaker: Hmm, that r22135 looks like it is. 21:53:37 <Zuu> Actually, for some log strings it does break, but not for others. Probably a result of the asyncronous execution. 21:53:55 <planetmaker> uhm, say what? 21:54:24 <Zuu> r22135: "When commands need to invalidate windows, process these events asynchronously before the next redraw." 21:54:55 <frosch123> Zuu: then add a "true" at the end of the right InvalidateWindowData :) 21:54:58 <Zuu> That smells like something that could affect the break on log featur. 21:55:28 <planetmaker> well, I see that, but miss the context you refer to :-) - probably something I said some time ago and forgot again ;-) 21:55:44 <Zuu> And hope that it does not reintroduce FS#4523 :-) 21:56:18 <Zuu> planetmaker: sorry it was frosch123 who said it :-) 21:56:32 <Zuu> 22:20 CET 21:56:38 <planetmaker> :-) 21:59:05 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:00:49 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/fszuu.diff <- maybe that is enough 22:00:52 *** ar3k [~ident@ebo133.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 22:04:00 *** Krusen [~as.if@89.184.153.221] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05:10 <Zuu> I'll test it. 22:05:31 <Zuu> Lets hope I remember to reduce the map size this time :-) 22:07:33 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ebo133.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:06 <Wolf01> 'night 22:08:21 <Chaot_s> sleep well Wolf01 22:08:28 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host220-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:10:48 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:12:17 <Zuu> frosch123: I've tested that change with the exact same AI code and test case that fails on last nightly, and it solves this problem. 22:12:46 <frosch123> great :) 22:12:58 <Zuu> I've tried 2-3 other cases but running an AI in debug mode is a great pain :-) 22:13:14 <frosch123> i would not know how to test it :) 22:13:28 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@ip54537001.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:42 *** yorick [~yorick@2002:4443:4c63::16] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14:51 <Zuu> The OnInvalidate code in the AI debug window is fairly carefull with _current_company IIRC (it backs it up and restores it after executing its commands), so it should hopefully be safe. 22:14:55 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: frosch * r22141 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_log.cpp: -Fix (r22135): AI breakpoints were broken at this point. (thanks Zuu) 22:15:05 <Zuu> Thanks frosch123 :-) 22:15:36 <frosch123> Zuu: it does not matter as long as the invalidation is not called from a command 22:15:57 <Zuu> Okay 22:17:48 <frosch123> niight 22:17:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffadf.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:42 <Chaot_s> hmm are there more different versions of openttd arround? i have been searching for some tips and stuff for openttd, and i see a lot op people mentioning openttd 1.5. are they all wrong and refering to openttd 1.0.5 or... 22:23:54 <Zuu> 1.5 does not exist, they are just lazy. 22:25:00 <Zuu> There is 1.1-RC1 and last nightly build which are later versions that are available as pre-compiled builds. 22:25:22 <Chaot_s> that clears a lot :D 22:25:45 <Zuu> If you go to www.openttd.org you see the last stable, testing and nightly version at the upper left of the website. 22:26:00 <Zuu> (In the download links) 22:26:21 <Chaot_s> it's not common to shorten version length's :D and indeed thats where i did see the 1.0.5 as the game mentions too :D 22:26:51 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 22:27:06 <Zuu> If you want more computer readable version info you can visit this file/page: http://finger.openttd.org/versions.txt :-) 22:27:10 <Chaot_s> so it's them false shortning the version string :D 22:27:16 <Zuu> Yep 22:27:43 <Zuu> You bet there were plennty of people that skipped to write the leading "0." part of the version string before 1.0 was released. 22:28:31 <Chaot_s> lol :D that might have had some funny resultings whe 1.0 was released. 22:29:02 <Chaot_s> yay! we have V1! ... some other person.. that was back in 199X 22:29:30 <SmatZ> rather 2004 :p 22:29:36 <Chaot_s> though thanks for clearing that up :D 22:29:44 <SmatZ> openttd isn't far that old 22:30:03 <Chaot_s> i didn't have a clue, the original game was.... somewhere 1999 or so i think :D 22:30:18 <Zuu> More info about different version shemas used in OpenTTD: http://wiki.openttd.org/FAQ_OpenTTD_versions 22:31:13 <Zuu> Though you could safely skip the part about MiniN as it is very old now. 22:31:24 <SmatZ> Transport Tycoon (TT) and Transport Tycoon Deluxe (TTD) are computer games developed by Chris Sawyer and published by MicroProse in 1994 (TT), and 1995 (TTD). 22:31:28 <SmatZ> ^^^ wiki.org 22:34:23 <Chaot_s> lol 22:34:48 <Chaot_s> somehow i'm thinking of jumping in to the source code to start understanding the signals :D 22:35:12 <Chaot_s> it somehow makes me think of a if / then / else idea.... 22:35:19 <SmatZ> Chaot_s: I am sure that would take a lot of time to understand things from the sources 22:35:35 <Chaot_s> though everytime i think i know what they are doing, i mes up :D 22:35:44 <Chaot_s> *mess 22:35:51 <SmatZ> the basics are simple 22:36:14 <SmatZ> block signals, pre-signals, exit/combo-signals 22:36:18 <Chaot_s> entry exit, combo path oneway path. 22:36:33 <SmatZ> the other class is one/two-way PBS 22:37:28 <Chaot_s> the entry to exit (one way i do understand) 22:40:30 <Chaot_s> i just dont get the trick, it's something i'm missing somehow. 22:40:58 <Chaot_s> may i post a picture and ask some feedback ( i know lots of rubish stuff in there :D 22:44:01 <vb> i suppose so 22:48:13 <Terkhen> good night 22:48:24 <Chaot_s> sleep wel Terkhen 22:48:26 <Chaot_s> http://imagebin.org/139724 22:48:45 <Chaot_s> for example that. 22:49:24 <Chaot_s> it does balance the trains of all availeble exit stations, and only feeds a train if can reach a free station. 22:50:04 <Chaot_s> though why do i need a two way combo signal in the midle to make more trains enter the station. 22:50:16 <Chaot_s> why is just one combo signal not working 22:50:43 <vb> use path signals 22:50:48 <Chaot_s> or am i just stupid :D and messed up thanks to asumptions made upon first time errors :D 22:50:51 <vb> allways red ones 22:51:17 <vb> and remove all of the lights infront of the station 22:51:20 <vb> except the last one 22:51:27 <vb> or so i would do 22:53:08 <rane> on 64x64 i will ever only have 1 business of each type? 22:53:17 <rane> can the close? can new ones open? 22:53:26 <rane> will there ever be 2nd city? 22:54:29 <Chaot_s> iirc you can enable some things in the cheat menu. 22:54:37 <Chaot_s> ctrl+alt+c 22:55:12 <vb> Chaot_s, i'l show you what i mean 22:55:26 <Chaot_s> okay thanx vb 22:55:38 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-233-148.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:56:33 <vb> this one http://i.imgur.com/BoJ4V.png 22:56:40 <vb> that's how i would signal that station 22:56:48 <Chaot_s> rane : advanced settings, economie, industries, you can enable some settings to allow multiple industries of the same type to be build, also you can set an option to alow you to build things. 22:57:05 <vb> well, ofc, you can make the stations as long as you want 22:57:38 <vb> or it could be even easyer 22:58:36 <Chaot_s> hmm, i'm going to test that idea :D 22:58:41 <vb> i think you should put another path signal with a normal signal behind him, before those 3 to 3 splitting lanes 22:58:51 <vb> because otherwise it would take longer 22:59:19 <vb> i'l show you another pic 22:59:58 <Chaot_s> i'm building a somwhat stupid testcase... 120 trains station (stationsize is set to 64) 23:00:19 <SmatZ> 120 trains at once? 23:00:27 <vb> http://imgur.com/owoBD 23:00:34 <vb> this one is better i think 23:00:39 <vb> http://i.imgur.com/owoBD.png 23:00:43 <Chaot_s> and iwould like to make te signaling setup more advanced. 23:00:57 <Chaot_s> though somehow they have some bounce effect i can't understand. 23:00:58 <SmatZ> waiting space is always good 23:01:07 <SmatZ> <3 presignals :p 23:01:09 <vb> yup 23:01:20 <vb> the red only ones are presignals or pathsignals? 23:01:50 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 23:01:50 <Chaot_s> so there always needs to be a normal signal in front of thos to "split" the path to that destionation. 23:01:52 <SmatZ> red-only? 23:01:54 <vb> whatever they are called 23:01:55 <vb> yes 23:02:02 <SmatZ> PBS are (almost) always red 23:02:08 <vb> so it waits there 23:02:20 <Chaot_s> this will work if there isn't a longer train ariving. 23:02:21 <SmatZ> they get green only for a short moment when train s going to go through them 23:02:23 <vb> if the first signal doesn't permit him to advance 23:02:57 <Chaot_s> when the station is full (9 filled tracks) the train will que on the track with the shortest path... 23:03:01 <Chaot_s> or am i wrong? 23:03:08 <vb> probably 23:03:53 <vb> i think there also needs to be 3 normal signals(1/line) where the tracks split for first time 23:03:58 <Chaot_s> i could easely test that out on a trainstation with very long routes and about 200 trains sheduled to pass that station... 23:04:10 <vb> you should 23:04:12 <vb> test it out 23:04:46 <Chaot_s> hope i'm not going to need to start stop all trains after that :d 23:04:50 *** ar3k [~ident@ebo133.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 23:06:33 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [Quit: asilv] 23:06:43 <Chaot_s> most of the tests tries i did i ended up with a full station (slower exits than the feed could handle) and then a train that enters the first availeble track and waits til the train leaves. 23:07:07 <Chaot_s> jamming the other 15 tracks that get cleared after that train :D 23:07:25 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8990.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:41 <vb> so 23:08:43 <vb> not good? 23:08:46 <vb> show me a picture 23:10:09 <Chaot_s> i'm curently modifying the station, 23:10:27 <Chaot_s> that was what happens most of the times i tried using pats signals :D 23:15:25 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:35 <DanMacK> Hey all 23:24:28 <supermop> hello 23:24:57 <vb> good night mates 23:25:12 *** vb [4f7261f7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:25:20 *** zydeco [~zydeco@163.165.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: miscellaneous hardware exception error] 23:26:13 <Chaot_s> need to go to. phone call bye! 23:26:15 <Chaot_s> sorry :D 23:26:21 <SmatZ> bye Chaot_s 23:26:26 *** Chaot_s is now known as chaot_s_afk 23:26:31 <SmatZ> enjoy your call 23:26:38 <chaot_s_afk> mot happy with it 23:26:39 <SmatZ> chaot_s_afk: please don't use afk nicks 23:26:48 <chaot_s_afk> just go afk? 23:26:54 *** chaot_s_afk is now known as Chaot_s 23:26:59 <SmatZ> /away phone is fine 23:27:06 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:35:22 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 23:57:10 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:59:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19A76.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]