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00:03:53 <rane> dammit, my only oil well closed 00:03:55 <rane> :-( 00:04:17 <SmatZ> rane: playing temperate climate? 00:05:17 <rane> yes 00:05:21 <rane> 64x64 00:05:31 <rane> which means my rafinery is down soon too 00:05:32 <rane> :\ 00:08:29 <rane> can i like fund a business? 00:08:57 <SmatZ> yes 00:09:15 <SmatZ> it's somewhere in the advanced settings 00:09:34 <SmatZ> "primary industry construction ... no/prospecting/yes" 00:09:45 <SmatZ> probably in economy/industry 00:12:48 <rane> ouch 2.5 mil 00:13:57 <SmatZ> :) 00:16:24 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d823de4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 00:23:23 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 00:27:52 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:29:19 *** elmz_ [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:25 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:35:34 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.184.238] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 00:36:10 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:53 *** elmz_ [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:47:29 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-28-255-183.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:55:00 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:07:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:07:33 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014]] 01:41:20 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:42:27 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:48:32 <rane> how can i deliver 100% production from factory? 01:51:05 <supermop> not sure that you can 01:53:25 <rane> even if my train waits for cargo at all time, i can't get past 80% 01:53:38 <rane> hence my question how to maximize it 01:53:49 <supermop> i think you need 2 different stations 01:54:23 <Yexo> see http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_Mechanics#Station_rating to figure out how to get your station rating to 100% 01:55:00 <supermop> not sure, but i think it avoids giving 100% to one station because then a competitor would never be able to get started at an industry no matter how well they serviced their station 01:55:15 <Yexo> that's untrue 01:55:59 <supermop> ok 01:56:20 <supermop> maybe that is what locomotion does 01:56:41 <supermop> not sure why it came to mind, but it seemed like a plausible reason 01:56:45 <rane> ooooh 01:56:50 <rane> so it's not just pure "delivered" :-) 01:57:23 <Yexo> without the "new vehicle bonus" and without any advertising you can get to 94% 01:58:55 <Yexo> rane: did you already built a statue in the town the station is in? that's the easiest way to raise the rating by 10% 02:01:22 <rane> nope 02:01:28 <rane> it's good to play a small map after all 02:01:42 <rane> on a small maps it's harder to miss big things:-) 02:21:07 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5110.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 02:22:09 * DanMacK still prefers large maps 02:29:43 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 02:36:08 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:03:52 <rane> hard to make profit on a small map 03:04:25 <rane> should have went 64x128 instead 03:25:39 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-129-196.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:31:23 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-134-181.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:35:09 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c36:20cd:6f17:50a4] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:46:04 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 05:13:12 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 05:19:15 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 05:19:53 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-193-254.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 05:26:10 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-10-110.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76995.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76961.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:20:52 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 06:27:24 *** jorgenpt [~jorgenpt@arachnophobia.daxnet.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:42:08 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 06:44:34 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:07:28 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:08:31 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:11:19 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B103FEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:14:50 *** amkoroew1 [~Heinz@p5B103220.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:35:50 <Terkhen> good morning 07:38:15 *** Eggman891 [~Eggman891@cpc7-staf7-2-0-cust542.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: -1 Furfag in dis channel.] 07:38:39 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:50:41 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-83-196.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:56:33 <JamesG> Good morning 08:00:20 <SmatZ> morning JamesG 08:06:08 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:15:53 <JamesG> http://jgoode.co.uk/programs/0001-Added-revert-command.patch This is my patch to revert savegames by "guessing" the filename to load from 08:16:53 <JamesG> I'm going to rewrite it to store the filenames in a deque 08:17:08 <JamesG> Double-ended queue in C++ 08:19:45 <Eddi|zuHause> why does it have to be a double queue? 08:20:45 <JamesG> I had a reason for that when I first designed it, but have now forgotten 08:21:16 <JamesG> In fact, a normal queue should be ok 08:21:24 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5754.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:21:44 <Eddi|zuHause> + if (argc != 2) { IConsoleHelp("Usage: revert <no. savegames>"); return true; } <-- maybe you should instead list the possible savegames 08:21:48 <Yexo> probably you want to remove a savegame from the start of the queue when openttd overwrites it, you need a deque for that 08:22:04 <Yexo> + if (_settings_client.gui.keep_all_autosave) { IConsoleHelp("This command is for rotating-autosave games"); return true; } <- why doesn't it work when keeping all autosaves? 08:22:35 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 08:22:50 <Yexo> also, why not have "revert" default to "revert 1"? 08:24:59 *** ar3k [~ident@ebo133.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 08:25:01 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 08:25:06 <Eddi|zuHause> instead of some weird list thingie, you can instead use a large buffer for the last N filenames in a round-robin manner 08:25:21 <Eddi|zuHause> assuming n is fixed 08:25:43 <Eddi|zuHause> you can always use the normal load command, if you want to go back more than 10 savegames 08:27:46 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:31:41 <dihedral> good morning 08:36:06 *** mucht_home [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 08:36:11 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:37:42 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host220-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:38:27 <__ln__> ave lupus01 08:38:33 <Wolf01> hello 08:38:45 <Wolf01> sound weird 09:00:32 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6FC2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:01:52 <Wolfsherz> Hi, openttd.exe seems to contain a virus (TR/Dropper.Gen). Version 1.1.0-RC1. Reported by Avira AntiVir Professional. 09:04:44 <Terkhen> Wolfsherz: from where did you download your openttd? 09:05:07 <Wolfsherz> i always and only download them from openttd.org 09:07:13 <Wolfsherz> it is reproducable also. i deleted the file, redownloaded it from openttd.org and AntiVir detects the virus on unpacking the archive. 09:08:18 <Terkhen> unless we (or one of the mirrors) were somehow hacked that detection does not make much sense 09:09:09 <Terkhen> given the description I found of TR/Dropper.Gen, it might be detecting that OpenTTD downloads compressed files and then unzips and runs them somehow 09:09:32 <Terkhen> but this is not something I know much about :) 09:09:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CB93.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:10:16 <Wolfsherz> notice that i did not run the file, it was detected on unpacking the downloaded archive 09:10:29 <Yexo> Wolfsherz: do you know from which mirror you downloaded openttd? also the 32bit or 64 bit version? 09:11:02 <Wolfsherz> http://binaries.openttd.org/releases/1.1.0-RC1/openttd-1.1.0-RC1-windows-win32.zip 09:11:41 <Yexo> if you go to http://binaries.openttd.org/releases/1.1.0-RC1/ , on which url do you end up? 09:14:05 <Wolfsherz> http://de.binaries.openttd.org/binaries/releases/1.1.0-RC1/index.html 09:16:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.177.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:31:38 <Terkhen> avast does not complain about that file 09:32:26 <Wolfsherz> well, that is great... but avira does ;) 09:33:12 <Wolf01> even avg doesn't complain 09:35:17 <Wolf01> "it might be detecting that OpenTTD downloads compressed files", yes, OTTD does it for online content, Avira is too zealous 09:36:52 <Wolfsherz> i suppose developers will contact avira and tell them it is a false positive then? 09:39:06 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:39:34 <Wolf01> http://forum.avira.com/wbb/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=77575 you can do it as well 09:46:47 *** ar3k 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"false" positive then 10:52:15 <peter1138> What is opencandy? 10:54:02 <dihedral> what is microsift 10:55:24 <Chaot_s> *microsoft :) 10:55:50 <Chaot_s> and opencandy is a litle ad developers might include in their installer 10:56:17 <Chaot_s> that way they can recommend software to their product folowers. 10:56:44 <Chaot_s> windows defender now detects al those installers and marks them as potential risk. 10:57:06 <Chaot_s> http://cranialsoup.blogspot.com/2009/05/opencandy-new-kind-of-adwarespyware.html 10:57:24 <Chaot_s> for some more info 10:57:49 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:57:51 <Chaot_s> though mirc, winscp, and lots of others do ad it. 10:58:35 <Chaot_s> since today windows defender started complaining about is. 10:58:38 <Chaot_s> it. 10:58:44 <SmatZ> what is windows defender? 10:59:26 <Chaot_s> lol :D SmatZ : you are a *nix only user? 10:59:36 <SmatZ> no, sometimes I use Windows 10:59:48 <SmatZ> but I don't remember using windows defender 10:59:51 <SmatZ> nor installing it 11:00:02 <SmatZ> unless it's some automatically installed program 11:00:19 <Chaot_s> windows defender is microsofts own "anti malware" its inplemented in the security center of win7 iirc 11:00:29 <SmatZ> ok, I even have win7 :) 11:00:30 <Chaot_s> vista had some parts of it too 11:01:00 <Chaot_s> in start menu type defender and it shows up 11:01:13 <Chaot_s> and i didn't instal it manualy. 11:01:16 <SmatZ> ok, thank you for explanation :) 11:01:30 <Chaot_s> maybe its optional in w7 ultimate :D 11:01:32 <SmatZ> I would have to reboot the computer, I can't do it now 11:01:50 <Chaot_s> no problem :D 11:05:08 *** v3rb0 [~v3rb0@78.84.201.137] has joined #openttd 11:06:36 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:19:36 <tokai> Every installer is a potential risk. :) 11:19:45 <tokai> With ads or without ads. :) 11:20:03 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 11:21:21 *** Vikthor 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for zoom issue is still present, eh? 13:35:11 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.18.99.114] has joined #openttd 13:44:14 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the issue? 13:54:44 <Yexo> planetmaker: not still present, again present 13:55:09 <Yexo> @commit 22094 13:55:09 <DorpsGek> Yexo: Commit by yexo :: r22094 trunk/src/hotkeys.cpp (2011-02-17 23:14:43 UTC) 13:55:10 <DorpsGek> Yexo: -Fix [FS#4510]: remove invalid keycodes when reading hotkeys.cfg 13:55:21 <Yexo> it ignores also some valid keycodes :( 13:59:04 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08e6b8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:59:36 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: yexo * r22142 /trunk/src/hotkeys.cpp: -Fix (r22094): some valid keycodes were ignored along with the invalid ones 14:00:44 * Yexo is happy that bug didn't make any beta or rc 14:01:39 <Yexo> after updating delete hotkeys.cfg to reset the zoom in/out keys 14:02:55 *** russell_h [~russell_h@ash.osuosl.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:03:06 *** russell_h [~russell_h@ash.osuosl.org] has joined #openttd 14:04:01 <Terkhen> :) 14:05:54 <Belugas> hello 14:06:00 <Yexo> hello Belugas 14:10:25 <Belugas> mister Yexo! 14:12:59 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:15:33 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 14:16:24 <planetmaker> :-) 14:26:09 <Belugas> ho.. and mister planetmaker! 14:31:47 <Mazur> Question: Would it be hard for the Land Information view to report the type of railway track, as well as the signals the tile contains? 14:33:04 * Mazur missed loading catenary in his last game and couldn't tell the difference between electric and normal. 14:33:26 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 14:36:11 <Ammler> Mazur: imagine a newgrf like nutracks with 16 different types 14:36:51 <planetmaker> That probably would be feasible 14:39:21 <Mazur> Ammler, that is what I'm thinking about, I'm asking about what would need to be done to achieve it. 14:40:06 <Mazur> If it's only adding appropriate lines to english.txt and a minor change in the gui cpp, I might be able to do it. 14:41:43 <Ammler> Mazur: I would think, it is impossible with 8bpp 14:42:43 <Terkhen> Mazur: if you mean showing a string, a list of railway track types are already queried and shown when you click on the rail menu so I would start by looking there 14:42:44 <Mazur> I do not understand, the game itself knows, adn hte land view retrieved the tile information. 14:43:36 <Ammler> ah, I misunderstood, thought you were speaking about Minimap :-) 14:43:41 <Mazur> Terkhen: I've build a long track , my first train is ruinning towards its station, and it stops. 14:43:56 <Terkhen> yes, I meant for the code :) 14:44:01 <Mazur> Quickest way to find out would be query hte tile in front of it. 14:45:03 <Terkhen> I don't know the code but the railway menu is somehow getting those strings for all types, then it's just a matter of getting the type of the railway track in the tile and using the same function to show the correct string in the land information window 14:45:13 <Mazur> Yet the land information view only states: "Railway tack", which is what I figured myself, my problem is, what kind of railway track? 14:46:06 <Mazur> Terkhen, exactly, not high-powered 2 caf-pow/hour major rewrites of large sections of code. 14:47:33 <Mazur> Just 19*(# of signal combinations) extra lines in english.txt. 14:48:02 <Mazur> And the report function chosing the right one. 14:48:44 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:49:03 <Mazur> (Not 19, but nutracks types + 3). 14:50:44 <Terkhen> Mazur: check GetRailTypeDropDownList in rail_gui.cpp to see how the game gets the rail type name to display it; you would need to get the correct RailType to display from the tile 14:50:48 <Terkhen> it does not seem much complicated 14:50:52 <Terkhen> signals are another story :) 14:51:10 <Mazur> Signals are already reported. 14:51:35 <Terkhen> I see :) 14:51:51 <Mazur> That's why I included them. 14:51:52 <Mazur> :-) 14:53:51 <Mazur> There are 23 lines for reporting ralway track. 14:54:43 *** Krusen [~as.if@89.184.153.221] has joined #openttd 14:59:28 <Terkhen> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/121/ <--- these lines are the interesting ones 15:00:13 <Terkhen> they show how to decide which string to use and which parameters you should pass to it 15:02:33 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaa6d9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:07:09 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 15:08:26 *** vb [4f725133@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:08:40 <vb> hey 15:08:51 <vb> what's the industry set where you deliver cars? 15:10:35 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:45 <Mazur> Hm, not as interesting as I thought, I just now noticed, that the LAI view already reports Maximum track speed, which amounts to the same kind of thing. 15:12:32 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:12 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaa6d9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:21:05 <Ammler> vb: ECS 15:21:16 <Ammler> hmm, FIRS might also have something like that 15:21:47 *** Phantom [5ebd9e80@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:22:28 <Phantom> http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/1633442 15:22:33 <DanMacK> vb - It's ECS 15:23:20 *** Phantom [5ebd9e80@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 15:24:39 *** Krusen [~as.if@89.184.153.221] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:16 *** vb [4f725133@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 15:34:45 *** vb [4f725133@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:34:54 <vb> help 15:35:03 <vb> what is the industry set where you deliver cars? 15:35:33 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:36:38 <Belugas> i think it's in ECS 15:37:15 <vb> yes, i have ecs 15:37:22 <vb> but as i remember, it was another one 15:37:26 <vb> a little nicer afaik 15:37:42 <Belugas> can't tell. I only about cars in ECS 15:38:16 <Belugas> ho.. Ammler may have given you yet another answer: FIRS 15:38:17 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:38:20 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:38:31 *** dotirc [~dotirc@200.55.129.130] has joined #openttd 15:38:50 <Ammler> well, It might not matter at all, it depends how the vehicle set does interpret the cargo labels 15:39:10 <Ammler> I know, dbsetxl has car transporter 15:40:05 <Ammler> it does interpret goods as cars 15:41:10 <Belugas> i think vb only cares about the look, not the inner stuff, Ammler :) 15:41:57 <Alberth> dotirc: I don't share files 15:42:09 <Ammler> Belugas: then ecs and dbsetxl 15:42:47 <Belugas> hi Alberth. looks like you have been spammed by dotirc too... 15:42:58 <Ammler> and the cargoset, if that works with openttd 15:43:12 <Belugas> is it a case of a quick? 15:43:29 <Alberth> ? 15:43:30 *** dotirc [~dotirc@200.55.129.130] has left #openttd [] 15:43:31 <Belugas> thanks Ammler 15:43:33 <Belugas> lol 15:43:36 <Ammler> :-) 15:43:37 <Belugas> he was afraid! 15:46:00 * Alberth should study the irc commands 15:48:39 *** lasershock` [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:39 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54:26 *** vb [4f725133@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:55:15 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 15:59:06 *** lasershock` [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:03 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:04:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E76.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:13:00 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:27:58 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:28:09 <supermop> good morning 16:28:16 <supermop> although it is almost noon for me 16:28:28 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 16:29:18 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.224.180.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 16:29:19 <ZirconiumX> good almost-evening-but-not-quite-because-it's-4:26pm 16:29:55 <supermop> yeah, I don't start evening any earlier than 5, even when it is dark by 4 16:32:15 <Belugas> yeah :( 16:32:19 <Belugas> sadly 16:32:33 <Belugas> at least, it's clear now, when going to work 16:32:44 <Belugas> and snow keeps on falling 16:33:07 <Belugas> 28 minutes before allowed to swallow lunch 16:33:59 * Alberth ponders diner 16:34:04 * ZirconiumX wonders how Belugas manages to hold the food in his mouth for 27 minutes without swallowing it 16:34:15 <ZirconiumX> pizza for me 16:34:45 <Belugas> gnia gnia gnia 16:34:50 <Belugas> smart ass ;) 16:35:04 * Rubidium ponders bed 16:35:33 * ZirconiumX ponders going to biggleswade 16:35:41 <ZirconiumX> ...via london 16:36:05 <ZirconiumX> and via peterborough (ugh!) back 16:42:37 * planetmaker wonders... where are you, Rubidium, that you think of bed, now? 16:45:35 <ZirconiumX> GMT +5 hours? 16:45:48 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 16:50:38 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF89A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:51:25 <rane> how can i have two trains waiting somewhere and still 70% "transported" 16:53:53 <Terkhen> rane: http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_Mechanics#Station_rating 16:54:33 <ZirconiumX> because the game is insane 16:54:38 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaa6d9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:57:30 <Ammler> rane: cargo can become "bad" 16:57:54 <planetmaker> stale like beer :-P 16:59:14 <ZirconiumX> ed:? 16:59:22 <Ammler> rane: one new train with max speed per produce cicle 17:00:04 <Ammler> hmm, is that 4 days? 17:00:29 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@borealis.jontysewell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:16 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@borealis.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 17:01:55 <Ammler> and don't forget the statue :-P 17:09:37 <rane> yea, i've got those 17:09:48 <rane> it's a small map, 64x128 so i have 1 of everything only 17:10:19 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ebo133.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 17:10:56 <planetmaker> you probably still have two towns ;-) 17:11:38 <planetmaker> </smart ass> 17:14:17 <rane> yea 17:14:22 <rane> either won't let me build anything 17:15:01 <supermop> trees 17:15:24 <ZirconiumX> cheat console 17:15:46 <ZirconiumX> only use the latter as a last resort 17:16:58 *** ar3k [~ident@ebo133.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:28 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 17:19:28 *** George is now known as Guest2653 17:19:28 *** George|2 is now known as George 17:26:01 *** Guest2653 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:26:27 *** gerard [5356640e@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:35:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4a7b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:42:06 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 17:46:53 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-119-189.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:52:00 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:53:18 <ZirconiumX> meh - the chris sawyer that isn't 17:53:48 <supermop> i think he has checked out for the most part 18:00:06 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 18:01:41 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:04:05 <Belugas> there are a few people here who could tell you that the real Chris Sawyer would not be as friendly... 18:09:49 <ZirconiumX> OpenTTH 18:10:18 <ZirconiumX> Open Transport Tycoon Hacked would be chris' responce 18:10:40 <Belugas> betrayal Of His Vision, actually 18:11:39 * DanMacK thinks he was banned 18:11:55 <DanMacK> I know Owen has talked to Chris a couple of times 18:12:17 <ZirconiumX> Well if it was *the* chris he *really* won't be happy 18:12:33 *** v3rb0_ [~v3rb0@78.84.201.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:14:33 * Belugas nods 18:14:45 <Belugas> contrary to all the romantics around 18:15:04 <Belugas> "he should be, his program is still improving and still popular" 18:17:45 <ZirconiumX> what would the sequel of the sequel of the game that literally no-one has heard of be called 18:18:52 <Belugas> <new_game_vaguely_based_on><The_initial_game> 18:19:24 <ZirconiumX> OpenNGVBSTIG 18:19:45 <Alberth> OpenTTD::TNG :) 18:19:57 <ZirconiumX> OpenNGVBSTIGWERUOF 18:20:21 <ZirconiumX> (with extra unheard of features) 18:20:36 <Belugas> OpenWTFAYPWLLT? 18:21:37 <ZirconiumX> Open Why the F*** Are You Paying With ?? ?? 18:21:59 <Belugas> PLaying With Letters Like That 18:22:12 <Belugas> ;) 18:22:36 <ZirconiumX> OpenIHANIWIDTECOMMABIDRC 18:25:17 <Belugas> i give up on too many silly possibilities ! 18:26:13 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:27:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:29:29 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:34:47 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 18:34:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 18:41:33 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:41 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: translators * r22143 /trunk/src/lang/ (irish.txt unfinished/frisian.txt): 18:45:41 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:41 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: frisian - 59 changes by Taeke 18:45:41 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: irish - 58 changes by tem 18:45:41 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: slovenian - 30 changes by 18:57:56 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:04:28 <Rubidium> planetmaker: because I was awake early enough to say "night" to glx 19:04:34 <rane> is it posssible to generate some extra area and add it to the map i am already playing? 19:04:49 <Terkhen> rane: no 19:04:51 <ZirconiumX> no 19:05:14 <rane> why not, if i may ask 19:05:42 <Rubidium> because it's not implemented I'd reckon 19:05:50 <ZirconiumX> because it's part of the game engine 19:05:58 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:10 <ZirconiumX> you can't add NewGRF's, they'll crash the game 19:06:31 <ZirconiumX> If you did add land, it would crash the game 19:06:58 <Alberth> you can 'lift' water, which becomes land 19:07:06 <rane> i don't believe i'm the first person to ask for it 19:07:26 <Terkhen> probably not 19:07:55 <Rubidium> neither would you be the first to suggest corners in bridges/tunnels 19:08:03 * Alberth has never seen the question since he started playing OpenTTD 3 years ago 19:08:03 <Rubidium> though that's not implemented as well 19:08:34 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Quit: michi_cc] 19:08:35 <rane> i didn't think about bridges tbh:-) 19:08:38 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 19:08:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 19:09:03 <rane> i'd like "delivered" to be renaamed to "quality of service" though 19:09:08 <rane> or something clear like that 19:09:19 <rane> then actual delivered could be displayed alongside it 19:09:24 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:09:50 <ZirconiumX> hmmm 19:10:20 <ZirconiumX> Quality of service: 70% of 5,400 cargo delivered 19:10:28 <ZirconiumX> Doesn't fit 19:12:40 <rane> but delivered % has nothing to do with service quality 19:12:47 <rane> since quality has a ton of other modifiers 19:13:01 <rane> so: delivered: X out of Y produced, quality: Z% 19:14:14 <Alberth> what makes you think delivered is quality? 19:15:07 <rane> when i click "ratings" in the station it's exactly equal to "transported" percentage 19:15:08 <ZirconiumX> @rane, such a thing would be tremendously difficult to implement IMHO 19:15:16 <planetmaker> consume-oriented thinking, of course, Alberth ;-) 19:16:30 <rane> well, it confused me that you can deliver every single piece of product they make and still have "transported" way below 100% until someone sent me to the wiki page and showed me all the other modifiers 19:17:47 <ZirconiumX> @Alberth, a company which delivers more cargo allows the industy to make more money, thus in the industy's point of view the company gives a higher quality of service 19:18:59 <Alberth> rane they only show your portion 19:19:04 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:19:51 <Alberth> ZirconiumX: In my view, they always get enough, just not always through your company 19:20:40 *** ar3k [~ident@ebo166.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 19:20:42 <Alberth> ie there are other suppliers/transporters for the industry, although you don't see them 19:26:15 <planetmaker> except if you play MP or with AIs ;-) 19:26:19 <planetmaker> then you might 19:27:38 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ebo133.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:03 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:22 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 19:35:04 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 19:35:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 19:38:39 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:01:37 <rane> ja 20:01:42 <rane> i reached 100%! =) 20:01:48 <rane> it's possible with one station after all 20:04:18 <fonsinchen> Rubidium: I've fixed all the issues pointed out in http://rbijker.net/openttd/cd.diff now. Well, except for those in smallmap-stats and smallmap-zoom-in that don't apply anymore. I've completely replaced those branches with smallmap-refactor, linkgraph-overlay, overlay-legend, smallmap-overlay and viewport-overlay. smallmap-stats and smallmap-zoom-in are still in the repository and being updated so that people have an easier time 20:04:19 <fonsinchen> rebasing onto the new branches. 20:12:56 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:13:08 <supermop> hello again 20:13:45 <planetmaker> salute, supermop 20:14:12 <supermop> i've been too busy with work this week to get much nml done 20:14:21 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaa6d9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:32 <planetmaker> no excuses :-P ;-) 20:14:49 <planetmaker> real life is never a good excuse ;-) 20:15:03 <supermop> ha 20:15:28 <supermop> occasionally work is actually slow during the middle of the day, if only i could work on nml here 20:15:35 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-28-54-47.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:15:39 <planetmaker> :-) 20:15:50 <planetmaker> a simple text editor might suffice ;-) 20:16:08 <supermop> yeah, no testing though 20:16:25 <supermop> so you were saying something about dev zone stuff the other day 20:17:05 <planetmaker> right :-) 20:17:40 <planetmaker> I mean this: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects 20:19:31 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:58 <planetmaker> we offer there to host newgrfs and provide also a nightly build service similar to what openttd nightlies are for openttd 20:21:12 <supermop> oh neat 20:21:34 <supermop> would that make any sense for my grf though? 20:21:39 <planetmaker> sure 20:21:48 <planetmaker> IMHO it makes sense for every grf ;-) 20:22:14 *** Prisk1 [priski@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:22:16 <supermop> so what is the process? 20:22:26 <supermop> i give you guys my files? 20:22:27 <planetmaker> the other big advantage in my eyes is that the newgrf's source is available there. Thus any gpl requirements about that are fulfilled and you have a bug tracker there, too 20:22:41 <supermop> I sort of have a wierd local workflow system 20:22:57 <supermop> that i use for design stuff as well 20:23:15 <supermop> and more theoretical ideas for grfs down the road 20:23:24 <planetmaker> nah, you "only" need to create a repository. What you put into that - should be everything which qualifies as "source" 20:23:25 <supermop> like rhino models 20:23:50 <planetmaker> As source IMHO qualifies everything which is needed in order to create the current grf 20:23:55 <supermop> which i might later render, then paint over 20:24:00 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 20:24:03 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 20:24:09 <planetmaker> but ... it's a bit up to the author to decide 20:24:21 <supermop> it sounds helpful 20:24:23 <planetmaker> graphics templates, sources, blender... that's imho source 20:24:42 <supermop> unfortunately i do not work in blender, 20:24:44 <planetmaker> what should NOT be inside is the compiled grf or programmes needed 20:24:56 <supermop> and rhino is not open 20:24:59 <planetmaker> oh... blender, render,... whatever :-) 20:25:18 <supermop> also, its really expensive (not as bad as autodesk stuff though) 20:25:23 <supermop> ok 20:25:34 <supermop> so i just make a file of my grf related stuff 20:25:44 <planetmaker> well, not the point. It's just a tool you use to create graphics. The repo contains the graphics :-) 20:25:46 <planetmaker> Not the tools 20:25:57 <supermop> how do i keep different versions separate? 20:26:10 <planetmaker> by using mercurial. It's a version control system 20:26:19 <planetmaker> That's absolutely required in order to use the devzone. 20:26:29 <planetmaker> It's also the means you get stuff uploaded. 20:27:03 <planetmaker> that means probably you'll need to install that 20:27:56 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Welcome <-- we made a short and rought guide how to setup mercurial on your machine 20:28:26 <planetmaker> principally a version control system keeps track of every change you make. Thus you can go back to every previous version 20:28:41 <planetmaker> no need to manually copy and rename stuff 20:29:22 <Terkhen> and you will not lose anything unless the devzone is broken :) 20:29:58 <planetmaker> well. Even then you don't loose your stuff ;-) 20:31:57 <Alberth> in fact it gets ridiculously difficult to get rid of anything ;) 20:32:41 <planetmaker> which is the whole point ;-) 20:34:41 <planetmaker> supermop: and it makes it also somewhat easier for others to follow what you do or for you to ask questions about the coding - as everyone can easily get the source code 20:36:15 <supermop> ah ok 20:37:05 <supermop> so should i do this for a grf as soon as i start working on it? or later after it is far enough along for people to look at it without ridiculing me? 20:37:05 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/issues <-- and like that it's also a good way to make me remember stuff I planed, need to fix, ... 20:37:17 <planetmaker> yes, that's a good time :-) 20:37:26 <planetmaker> starting with it right from the start 20:37:59 <supermop> i feel like with mlss, people would have said it was a bad idea before i had something to show what i mean 20:39:03 <planetmaker> supermop: it's not like really many people look at what is newly created at the devzone 20:39:28 <planetmaker> it's a tool for you. Much much more than means to publish anything 20:40:06 <planetmaker> And those who actually look there - they are valuable input usually 20:40:26 <supermop> ok 20:40:52 <supermop> because i think some of my ideas for later might actually annoy or upset people 20:41:02 <planetmaker> so what? Do you care? 20:41:05 <planetmaker> You have to like it 20:41:23 <supermop> as they involve breaking things like the accepted scale(s) 20:41:29 <planetmaker> you do with your newgrf what you consider fun 20:41:35 <supermop> ok 20:41:59 <planetmaker> if people disagree - you can take their advice. But ultimately you're the author. 20:43:04 <planetmaker> Anyone who disagrees can after all make their own newgrf ;-) 20:43:17 <supermop> heh 20:50:04 <planetmaker> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/ <-- you want mercurial and maybe you also want tortoiseHG 20:50:12 <planetmaker> The latter is a GUI interface for it 20:50:34 <Alberth> the only problem is that once you understand the power of version control systems, you cannot work without them :) 20:50:47 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 20:50:57 <planetmaker> There are worse things and addictions in life 20:51:37 <planetmaker> I totally don't understand that my collegues don't make use of it ;-) 20:52:03 <planetmaker> instead they go with like tasty_programme_v1.pro ,... tasty_programme_v10.pro etc :-) 20:53:39 <Terkhen> I lost a pair of university projects before I learned about version control systems 20:53:54 <Terkhen> one was small, the other one not so much 20:54:09 <planetmaker> he :S 20:54:56 <planetmaker> well. it doesn't substitute backups 20:55:47 <Terkhen> well, I lost everything I did since the last backup :) 20:56:17 <Terkhen> which, given how often I forget about these things, was a lot 21:29:21 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.224.180.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:33:12 *** mucht_home [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:16 *** Macha [~Macha@93.107.216.101] has joined #openttd 21:50:20 *** Macha [~Macha@93.107.216.101] has left #openttd [] 21:50:40 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:53:58 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: alberth * r22144 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 7 dirs): -Codechange: Unify 'while (true)' to 'for (;;)' 21:56:42 *** alluke [~52b528fd@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 21:57:02 <alluke> lulz 21:58:24 <planetmaker> supermop: when you have specific questions about the DevZone and possible setup issues - even though all people there are also here - will be the dedicated channel #openttdcoop.devzone 21:59:03 <supermop> ah ok 21:59:28 <Alberth> planetmaker: lies! 22:00:04 <planetmaker> you're right :-( 22:00:30 * Alberth hugs planetmaker 22:00:35 <planetmaker> :-) 22:01:20 * planetmaker wonders though, how you know while you're not in the devzone channel ;-) 22:01:33 <alluke> aww 22:03:19 <Alberth> /me was very lucky, I read the remark wrong :) 22:03:30 <alluke> sucks that the horses dont work with realistic acceleration :( 22:03:45 <planetmaker> :-D 22:04:10 <alluke> power 0 hp = moves 1/10 kmh 22:04:12 <planetmaker> There's one person there who who's not here - and he never talks, Alberth :-) 22:04:50 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: alberth * r22145 /trunk/src/ (14 files in 8 dirs): -Codechange: Do explicit test for non-bool values. 22:05:36 * Alberth proposes to ban all that do not speak for more than a week 22:05:47 <alluke> is everyone here really just playing ottd when they dont talk 22:06:32 *** alluke [~52b528fd@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:06:35 <Alberth> no, I hardly ever play openttd, and there are more such persons here :) 22:06:58 *** alluke [~52b528fd@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:07:02 <Terkhen> he's gone, to play openttd I guess 22:07:14 <Terkhen> oh, and now he's back :) 22:07:17 <alluke> :D 22:07:23 <Alberth> only when he does not say anything :p 22:07:38 <alluke> nah, not playing atm :P 22:07:52 <alluke> but my bus is preparing our next one 22:07:54 <planetmaker> Alberth: that'd give rise for a new bouncer plug-in: keep alive talking 22:07:56 <alluke> bud* 22:08:45 <Terkhen> let's ban everyone who do not say anything on-topic for a week then 22:09:00 <planetmaker> like crotab 12 8 * * * /home/XXX/echo "moin" 22:09:04 <Alberth> we might as well close the channel then :p 22:09:11 <Terkhen> or are we trying to keep the channel with some people in? 22:09:17 <Terkhen> :P 22:09:38 <Alberth> planetmaker: "moin" is not on-topic 22:09:42 <alluke> going to play, seeya 22:09:46 <Alberth> bye 22:09:51 <Terkhen> alluke: enjoy 22:09:55 <alluke> will do ;) 22:10:12 <alluke> but it doesnt mean i have to close this chat 22:10:44 <alluke> and i just found out that i have 3 ottds in my dock 22:10:45 <Alberth> by your own definition, you are just not allowed to say anything :p 22:10:50 <alluke> stable, nightly, and cargodist 22:10:55 <alluke> hah 22:11:03 <planetmaker> Alberth: should it then include the link to the latest openttd screenshot made from our public server? 22:11:12 <planetmaker> that'd be at least somewhat on-topic ;-) 22:11:18 <planetmaker> and spammy ;-) 22:11:49 <Alberth> yeah, would be better for #openttdcoop :) 22:11:53 <alluke> whats that server 22:12:19 <planetmaker> you just left that channel, alluke ;-) 22:12:33 <alluke> coop? 22:12:38 <planetmaker> ^ 22:12:57 <alluke> lol irc server :P 22:13:05 <alluke> i thought you were talking about game servers 22:13:27 <planetmaker> ... what do you think that openttdcoop irc channel is about? 22:13:39 <Terkhen> openttdcoop is a game server, you just seem to be using their webchat 22:14:44 <alluke> well, it was first ottd chat i found, and i went there for hunting a grf 22:14:47 <planetmaker> which is also the reason openttdcoop is the default channel ;-) 22:15:12 <Terkhen> :) 22:24:33 <rane> what's the biggest and the fullest graphics overhaul for openttd? 22:24:49 <planetmaker> opengfx 22:25:22 <supermop> also best 22:25:27 <rane> wiki says something about 32bpp but taht's only handful of buildings 22:25:27 <alluke> and opengfx+ junk as extra 22:25:41 <rane> they look amazing though 22:25:54 <alluke> its really heavy afaik 22:26:39 <planetmaker> 32bpp suffers mainly from people trying to do too many things at once 22:27:15 <planetmaker> thus nothing is really finished. And those which are, often not in a format usable by default openttd. 22:28:38 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:29:10 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4a7b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:09 <supermop> i think 8bpp ez would be neat 22:31:52 <planetmaker> yes. 22:33:54 <planetmaker> it'll need a good scaling algorithm 22:38:32 <supermop> or people willing to draw thousands of sprites of more detailed pixel art 22:39:58 <planetmaker> that doesn't suffice. 22:40:04 <planetmaker> it will need means to deal with newgrfs 22:40:11 <planetmaker> which cannot be updated 22:43:25 *** deekay [~dk@89-79-35-236.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 22:44:35 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-123-19.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 22:44:46 <Terkhen> good night 22:46:26 <deekay> Hi there, letely I've been wondering about idea behind station rating being depending on age of vehicles that come for the cargo. I'm curious where the idea did come from, and why ther's requiement for such "young" vehicles ( <2yo) 22:46:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E76.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:05 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF89A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:58:19 <planetmaker> deekay: it's an original game feature. Ask Chris Sawyer 22:58:33 <planetmaker> TTD handles it that way already afaik 23:00:21 *** DedY_jogJa [~naughty@41.234.205.237] has joined #openttd 23:00:22 <DedY_jogJa> free http://www.1filesharing.com/download/1JE0D7ZA/psyBNC2.3.1_4.rar 23:00:22 *** DedY_jogJa [~naughty@41.234.205.237] has left #openttd [] 23:00:36 <deekay> Ok. Does OpenTTD aim to duplicate TDD's game logic as it was, or there are any possibilities for changes releated to that? (I couldn't find anything related to "OpenTTD philosophy" behind development or something like that, hence my question) 23:02:23 <alluke> someone should make illegal cargo set 23:03:11 <alluke> including drugs, guns, hos, pirate stuff etc :D 23:03:27 <supermop> that someone could be you 23:03:43 <supermop> not sure many people in the ottd community would be supportive though 23:04:19 <Mazur> Is it possible to move a town centre by eliminating every building in its old centre, while having let is build new houses some way off? 23:04:24 <alluke> well i know nothing about making grfs 23:04:36 <Mazur> s/let is/let it/ 23:05:28 <alluke> is danmack here 23:05:51 <Mazur> Try /whois DanMack 23:06:02 <alluke> well hes in the lsit 23:06:08 <alluke> but not active 23:06:22 <Mazur> Then you should know. 23:06:32 <supermop> Mazur, i think the town name sign counts as the town center 23:06:37 <alluke> smartypants 23:06:48 <alluke> i meants is he mentally here 23:07:07 * DanMacK is here... sort of 23:07:09 <supermop> if you delete the road under it, the town will shrink, not move 23:07:17 <alluke> okay 23:07:21 <alluke> i have one request 23:07:24 <DanMacK> I'm physically here.. Mentally... take a raincheck 23:07:28 <DanMacK> Shoot 23:07:30 <alluke> get yo ass up and finish the damn finnish set 23:07:40 <alluke> ive been waiting for it since i got ottd :D 23:08:14 <Mazur> supermop, I know, but like with stations: if you build new platforms some way away for hte same station, and then remove the old, the station sign (and centre) move. Towns could have a similar characteristic. 23:08:46 <DanMacK> Hey, ATM, there's enough sprites for a playable set, I' 23:08:56 <DanMacK> m waiting on my coder :P 23:09:02 <supermop> could, but i do not believe they do 23:09:16 <alluke> okay 23:09:18 * DanMacK looks around and notes Lakie's absence 23:10:18 <alluke> you should at least put out the one which you took those screenshots with 23:10:36 <DanMacK> alot of those were mockups 23:10:50 <DanMacK> Paste is a wonderful thing 23:11:00 <alluke> photoshop? 23:12:48 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 23:12:49 <DanMacK> Paint 23:13:10 <alluke> right 23:13:38 <asilv> any idea how much Lakie has coded the set, or has he started at all? I have coded some finnish set things for my own amusement, and I could do more if Lakie is not interested/doesn't havetime/etc? 23:14:00 <asilv> i think currently drawn things could be coded pretty quickly 23:14:20 <DanMacK> He does have interest and desire, not sure what's coded ATM 23:15:00 <DanMacK> asilv, what have you coded? 23:15:52 <asilv> some mus, wooden coaches and mail cars at least 23:16:10 <DanMacK> I do hope to see some progress soon 23:17:38 <asilv> http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt211/asilvio/Sm3.png 23:18:13 <DanMacK> Hmmm 23:18:25 <DanMacK> I really should pull the sprites for that and paint them green now :P 23:18:51 * DanMacK adds that to the lengthy to-do list 23:22:07 * DanMacK really needs to stop joining projects 23:23:15 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:24:39 <DanMacK> And for you VR fans that are into model trains, http://t-gauge.net/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=666 23:26:08 <asilv> t gauge is insane 23:27:05 <DanMacK> It is 23:27:08 * DanMacK has some 23:27:27 <asilv> I have also been playing with parts of another trainset: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqVRNdahSrQ 23:27:47 <DanMacK> Can't see youtube from here, what set? 23:27:56 <asilv> usset 23:28:15 <Wolf01> 'night 23:28:22 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host220-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:29:21 <asilv> video has some njt push-pull trains, they are alredy in old versions I just made push-pull part work 23:31:28 <DanMacK> ahhhh 23:31:45 <alluke> wow 23:31:52 <alluke> is there us set 2.0 coming? 23:31:57 <asilv> maybe 23:31:58 * DanMacK is not sure 23:32:06 <alluke> okay 23:33:04 <asilv> i have been slowly working with it but i haven't posted anything yet as i'm not sure will i ever get it done 23:34:48 <DanMacK> Green Eil... interesting http://vaunut.org/kuva/68189?a=1 23:37:08 <Sacro> !port 23:37:11 <Sacro> !ports 23:37:14 <Sacro> @ports 23:37:14 <DorpsGek> Sacro: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 23:38:51 <alluke> woot 23:38:54 <alluke> never seen those 23:39:13 <alluke> once been in 23:39:17 <alluke> super comfort 23:40:28 * DanMacK is a mite far to ride on those :P 23:40:40 <alluke> heheh 23:40:48 <DanMacK> LRC's are more my speed 23:41:06 <alluke> what were those again.. 23:41:31 <alluke> fast dmu? 23:41:45 <asilv> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LRC_(train) 23:41:58 <alluke> Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for LRC (train in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings. 23:41:59 <DanMacK> http://www.michaeltaylor.ca/via/3366.html 23:42:24 <alluke> ok 23:42:32 <DanMacK> The locoos are retired, we only use the coaches now 23:42:40 <alluke> ok 23:42:55 <alluke> i wish i had some diesels in here 23:43:03 <alluke> everything is electric 23:43:09 <alluke> i have seen 23:43:16 <alluke> two times dv12 23:43:55 <alluke> first time it pulled car carriers to pasila and second time it was stopped at the beginning of sandtrack 23:44:03 <DanMacK> heh 23:44:09 * DanMacK would love to see electrics :P 23:44:17 <alluke> :D 23:44:38 <alluke> i miss the sound and smell of those 23:46:54 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48:02 <asilv> diesels in Helsinki area are getting rare after the harbours were moved to vuosaari 23:48:02 <asilv> plenty of dv12s and dr16 here in east 23:48:28 <alluke> yeah 23:48:37 <alluke> now the trains go in a tunnel 23:49:19 <alluke> and the harbour track in helsinki 23:49:21 <alluke> r.i.p 23:49:24 <alluke> it was really nice 23:55:06 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [Quit: asilv] 23:58:34 <DanMacK> Well, I'll prod Lakie next time I see him :P 23:59:10 *** Venemo [~Timur@timur.sch.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 23:59:45 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:59:51 <Venemo> good evening