Log for #openttd on 7th March 2011:
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00:03:43  <Vadtec> Eddi|zuHause: possibly, but if i want code maturity ill play stock openttd, frankly, cargodist has revitalized openttd for me, it was just getting to mundane and repetative
00:05:05  <Eddi|zuHause> Vadtec: sure, there is nothing wrong with that. i rather meant for it to be included in "stock openttd", there are certain requirements to be met
00:05:59  <Vadtec> Eddi|zuHause: ah, if i knew more about graphs and how they are applied in code, id see what I could do about that, but graphs are something ive not had very much exposure to
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01:08:32  <supermop> hello
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01:11:42  * Chaot_s is pissed.
01:12:09  <Chaot_s> some asshole is bashing on my rdp eventualy crashing my local desktop session
01:12:43  <Chaot_s> the local session just freezes
01:13:01  <Chaot_s> hope i'll find the asshole's ip
01:13:25  <Chaot_s> it will be flooded for a long time
01:17:14  <Chaot_s> does anyone know a tool that can create a popup when a certain tcp / udp port is queried?
01:31:38  <fjb> 1. Install a firewall. ". Don't flood back!
01:32:06  <fjb> 3. Watch your language.
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01:34:06  <Chaot_s> fjb : sorry was a litle upset
01:34:24  <Chaot_s> there is a firewall active
01:34:51  <Chaot_s> still when the firewall is supposed to forward that specific port :)
01:35:33  <fjb> Filter the ips which are allowed to have the packets forwarded.
01:35:48  <Chaot_s> those can be random...
01:36:13  <Chaot_s> te remote locations are not know before i'm at that location.
01:36:24  <fjb> I don't think they can be totally random.
01:36:59  <Chaot_s> sometimes its a library, then its at a friends house
01:37:22  <fjb> Then close the port while you don't need remote access.
01:37:58  <fjb> You know the possible ip numbers of the library and of you friend.
01:38:33  <Chaot_s> fjb : so you know every ip where you will be?
01:39:10  <fjb> And never ever think about doing the same stuff to random people that happened to you just because somebody mage you angry.
01:39:36  <Chaot_s> fjb : i already went a circle arround the block.
01:40:09  <Chaot_s> its one thing to have the ability.
01:40:18  <fjb> I know when I am at home and when not. And I know when I will be not at home. And I know when I will be at a place where I usually am and wehn I am not there.
01:40:27  <Chaot_s> its the other that should help never using it
01:40:59  <fjb> The sender adress ist usually spoofed. So you will only flood random people.
01:41:20  <Chaot_s> that shouldn't be to hard to find.
01:41:38  <Chaot_s> under normal circomstances you can find relay's fast enough
01:41:39  <fjb> How will you find out if it is spoofed?
01:42:13  <Chaot_s> setting up logging for the rdp port now, then i'll scan the ip.
01:42:17  <fjb> You don't need a relay.
01:42:36  <Chaot_s> i know he could spoof,
01:42:54  <Chaot_s> or just use a hop / infected pc
01:42:55  <fjb> He would be stupid to not spoof the address.
01:43:19  <Chaot_s> though the data of the session needs to be returned somewhere
01:44:01  <fjb> Only if he wants to use the service aou ofer, not if he only floods that port.
01:44:11  <fjb> / you offer
01:44:17  <Chaot_s> he tries connecting
01:44:38  <Chaot_s> he tries to connect to a desktop pc that has windows remote desktop running (rdp)
01:44:42  <fjb> Yes, connecting, syn flood. No answers expected at his side.
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01:45:31  <Chaot_s> the system logs show the auth failures
01:45:44  <Chaot_s> so he is inputting data and awaiting a response
01:47:02  <fjb> Then he usually uses a kind of relay. In any case you can not hit him. Beside that it is fobidden to hit back in many countries. And you don't only flood him, you also flood your own provider.
01:47:24  <fjb> Flooding is a very stupid idea in any case.
01:48:00  <fjb> A connection throtteling firewall helps.
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01:50:23  <Chaot_s> fjb : i got the picture
01:50:30  <Chaot_s> i'm of your type myself.
01:50:45  <Chaot_s> thats why i went outside and took a walk arround the block
01:51:00  <Chaot_s> to cool down and not do impulsive stupid stuff
01:51:26  <Chaot_s> i have made that mistake before and don't intend to do that again.
01:53:59  <Chaot_s> you gotta love iptables logging.
01:54:23  <Chaot_s> the ip is not spoofed... and its actualy a distant known person
01:54:54  <Chaot_s> its a user i know form a forum / irc net i host.
01:55:29  <Chaot_s> blocked and hope i get a complaint tomorow
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01:55:50  <Chaot_s> not that he will be that stupid, though i know he visits the meetings
01:56:00  <Chaot_s> and thats where we will meet :)
01:56:26  <Chaot_s> and have a nice and friendly chat :D
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02:00:16  <fjb> Sounds better.
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02:09:26  <Chaot_s> hmm
02:10:02  <Chaot_s> fjb : still here?
02:10:32  <fjb> Yes.
02:10:48  <Chaot_s> seems like reloading ip tables disconnected me.
02:11:28  <fjb> Not unlikely.
02:11:51  <Chaot_s> did you get the last line from me about that i found out who actualy is doing this?
02:12:11  <fjb> Yes.
02:12:38  <Chaot_s> okay, then the 2 reloads before the last one didn't disconncet me :D
02:14:09  <fjb> Flushing the connection cache disconnects you.
02:14:34  <Chaot_s> just wanted to make sure people don't think i'm leaving because someone taps my fingers (as i do apreciate)
02:14:48  <Chaot_s> sometimes mirc doesn't have a problem with that :)
02:15:05  <Chaot_s> as long as it isnt's on a busy network / room
02:15:29  <Chaot_s> even though default policy is drop
02:16:00  <Chaot_s> i just was a litle mad about the whole event
02:16:22  <Chaot_s> this type of setup runs for years now, and never posed a problem.
02:16:56  <fjb> You usually find a problem when somebody triggers it.
02:17:35  <Chaot_s> normaly there is a virtual server that is somewhat messed up on the port
02:17:52  <Chaot_s> forgot to remove the port forwarding last time
02:18:07  <Chaot_s> thats why he attacked my desktop
02:18:24  <fjb> Network security is not easy.
02:18:28  <Chaot_s> the vbox is sort of a honeypot
02:18:51  <Chaot_s> it has some incomming ports that are blocked
02:19:03  <Chaot_s> outgoing is nearly fully blocked.
02:19:42  <Chaot_s> the stats of the vbox are checked every 5 minutes
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02:20:16  <Chaot_s> when traffic goes above 100Mb in 24 hour, the vbox is saved and shutdown
02:20:25  <fjb> Honeypots are not that usefull. Secure your system and let the kids play.
02:20:59  <Chaot_s> normaly i cary a usb stick with me with my ssh key's
02:21:42  <Chaot_s> ssh runs on a higher port, since all below 1024 is blocked by my isp
02:22:22  <Chaot_s> last few months have been eventfull and i'm messing up some things
02:22:42  <Chaot_s> for example forgetting to change back the portforwarding
02:23:21  <Chaot_s> i think i'll be going for a nother walk arround the block.
02:23:40  <fjb> Sounds like a good idea.
02:23:46  <Chaot_s> this time the long round, i'm still kind of pissed, i actualy know the person
02:24:22  <Chaot_s> he actualy visits the meeting the team for which the system is running organizes
02:25:22  <Chaot_s> thats what makes me wonder. why?
02:25:34  <fjb> Most attacs come from the inside.
02:26:15  <Chaot_s> ssh attacks most of the time seem to be form very far away countries.
02:26:26  <Chaot_s> fail2ban provides some nice reportings
02:26:49  <Chaot_s> even though its on a wierd port they still seem to find the ports
02:26:59  <Chaot_s> maybe add some port knocking sequence
02:27:03  <fjb> Port scanning.
02:27:37  <Chaot_s> if he scans slow enough...
02:27:53  <fjb> Use a cryptographic key instead of a password and disallow passwords for ssh.
02:29:51  <Chaot_s> ssh is key only, and root login is denied.
02:30:00  <Chaot_s> just use su - / sudo
02:30:19  <Chaot_s> psad does detect scans
02:30:27  <Chaot_s> and blocks acordingly
02:30:56  <Chaot_s> though if you are scanning slow enough, it defeats most of the idea :D
02:32:10  <fjb> Yes. And why worry, your system gets scanned any way. Shall they try to break your password when no passwords are allowed. Their problem, not my.
02:34:52  <Chaot_s> the scan on its own isnt that bad.
02:35:36  <Chaot_s> fjb : are you known with knockd?
02:37:11  <fjb> I don't use any. It doesn't really enhance you security. And it is another part that may fail or be a security risk on its own.
02:37:30  <Chaot_s> that was about my question :)
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06:49:09  <planetmaker> moin
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10:16:36  * dihedral was just considering coding for diaspora - but oddly enough i do not feel like coding for another project :-P
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10:16:49  <SpComb> you're getting old
10:17:18  <dihedral> arent we all
10:17:28  <SpComb> '
10:17:57  <SpComb> besides, wasn't diaspora's code, like, shit?
10:20:45  <SpComb> so it would be very depressing
10:20:58  <dihedral> hehe
10:21:05  <dihedral> well - i have to head to the dentists
10:21:17  * dihedral waves farewell :-(
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10:29:17  <Eddi|zuHause> *sob* we hardly knew ya :(
10:30:40  <Sacro> alas poor yorick
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11:57:03  * dihedral is still alive :-P
12:01:34  <Noldo> since when is that news?
12:05:49  <Eddi|zuHause> bah... no sense of humour these kids...
12:06:37  <Noldo> :|
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12:21:08  <rane> try #peoplewhocare
12:21:10  <rane> :-p
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13:43:33  <Belugas> hi ho hello snow
13:44:00  <glx> in march ?
13:44:04  <planetmaker> brrr
13:48:50  <Belugas> 20cm
13:48:56  <Belugas> righ now
13:49:02  <Belugas> since yestderday evening
13:49:18  <Eddi|zuHause> congratulations.
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14:01:29  <Belugas> that's an honnor, i wold pass to anyone else ;)
14:06:19  <Alberth> more like a horror? :p
14:06:32  <Belugas> quite :D
14:06:57  <Belugas> mmh... let's make a piture from my window
14:07:44  <Alberth> 20cm is probably not enough to cover the whole window :)
14:08:51  <Sacro> where is text based openttd? :(
14:10:06  * Alberth ponders having some coffee
14:11:08  <supermop> using rhino with a one button mouse is an exercise in frustration
14:13:00  <Sacro> i see you baby, shaking dat ass
14:15:24  <Alberth> the only useful function of a mouse is to point to which terminal window your keyboard input goes ;)
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14:16:50  <supermop> having to constantly type in the commands for pan, orbit, and zoom dynamic is pretty frustrating
14:18:13  <supermop> has led to me drawing with this mouse and navigating/beginning actions with the trackpad
14:19:08  <supermop> hmm
14:19:50  <supermop> i am exporting these as .dwg, and i can open them fine in autocad, but it seems my coworker cannot
14:20:12  <Yexo> supermop: <- new nml code so you can support more than 16 different railtypes
14:20:15  <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: i'm fairly sure there's someone who did an aalib frontend for SDL
14:20:20  <supermop> anyone here have acad and want to seen if they can open something?
14:20:26  <supermop> cool thanks Yexo
14:20:47  <supermop> i have to finish up this cad work, then i will get back to nml
14:20:52  <Yexo> sure
14:21:01  <Yexo> if it doesn't work, let me know, you might need a newer version of nml
14:23:53  <Belugas> haa... some refreshing pictures
14:23:56  <Belugas>
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14:27:14  <supermop> what does the 'param[10]' mean?
14:29:44  <Alberth> Belugas: they look mostly very cold :)
14:31:58  <Belugas> in the comfort of the house, no, not really ;)
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14:33:09  <Noldo> supermop: array with 10 elements or the eleventh element of that array, depending on context
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14:37:36  <supermop> i feel like i should try to understand what the code i use means
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14:39:36  <Yexo> supermop: each grf has 128 parameters it can use. "param[10]" is the 11th (start counting at 0) parameter.
14:40:18  <Yexo> nml reserves the top 64 parameters (64..127) for internal use
14:40:36  <Yexo> the first (0..) parameters are set by the user
14:40:50  <Yexo> you're free to use the rest in any way you like
14:41:11  <Yexo> you can use those parameters to perform calculations, store temporary results etc.
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14:41:46  <Alberth> moin Wolf01
14:41:55  <Wolf01> hello
14:41:55  <Yexo> in the example I posted it's used to set the grf-internal id to the value of param[10], than increase param[10] by one
14:42:11  <Yexo> that's needed because the maximum grf-internal id of a railtype is 16
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14:48:49  <supermop> ah neat
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14:51:59  <planetmaker> hm... would you manage to write something like a beginner's guide to writing a newgrf, supermop ? From your experiences you make with this depot one?
14:52:07  <planetmaker> I think a lot of people could profit from that
14:56:27  <supermop> the thing is
14:56:56  <supermop> I am still so clueless about what is going on, I think I would hurt more people than I would help
14:57:09  <supermop> but after I wrap up the grf i can give it a try
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14:58:31  * ZirconiumX is scared
14:58:53  <ZirconiumX> Well, you would be
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14:59:15  <ZirconiumX> When you've been threatened with a stanley knife - and stabbed
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15:00:01  <Zir|Scared> Very scared
15:00:37  <Belugas> stabbed?
15:00:43  <Zir|Scared> stabbed
15:00:49  <Belugas> and you're not in the hospital?
15:01:03  <Belugas> the ER or else?
15:01:03  <Zir|Scared> penknife - doesn't go far
15:01:15  <Belugas> ho...
15:01:25  <Belugas> that kind of knife :)
15:01:26  * Zir|Scared had the police in
15:01:57  <Zir|Scared>
15:02:05  <Zir|Scared> something like that
15:03:11  <Zir|Scared> nonetheless, I have a mark about 2 inches (5cm) above waistline
15:03:23  <Zir|Scared> about a cm wide
15:03:27  <Belugas>
15:03:32  <Belugas> that's my diving knofe
15:03:35  <Belugas> knife
15:03:47  * Zir|Scared is unarmed
15:04:09  <Zir|Scared> something like that would make even that guy scared
15:04:15  <Belugas> i was carrying it one day, after a good dive.  a guy had a pocket knife and asked for my money
15:04:24  <Zir|Scared> *sigh*
15:04:24  <Belugas> i think he is still running...
15:04:45  <Zir|Scared> He asked me where I lived
15:04:51  <Belugas> lol
15:05:00  <Belugas> that's a bastard alright :)
15:05:24  * Zir|Scared thanks my neighbours that they planted a tree right near my door
15:05:38  <Zir|Scared> The guy was a teen
15:06:03  <Zir|Scared> Mum thinks he was high on something
15:06:20  <Chaot_s> fjb : are you here?
15:06:30  <supermop> what country do you live in, zir?
15:06:38  <Zir|Scared> UK
15:06:51  <supermop> hm
15:07:20  <Zir|Scared> the best armament I can do is a nerf gun
15:07:20  <supermop> I guess there is a fair amount of knife crime there these days?
15:07:42  <Zir|Scared> 21 is the age for buying a knife
15:07:50  <Zir|Scared> or 18
15:08:12  <Wolf01> I have 2 swords and a katana
15:08:30  <Wolf01> but they are difficult to bring around
15:08:42  <Belugas> Zir|Scared, a one or two hour of self defense would make you laugh at that guy.  IT's easy to get him unarmed with such a small tool
15:08:43  <Belugas> really
15:08:52  <Zir|Scared> It's illegal for anyone under the age of 18 to buy a knife.
15:08:58  <Belugas> Wolf01 is the dark knife of OpenTTD
15:09:03  <Belugas> he,
15:09:05  <Belugas> knight
15:09:32  <Belugas> coffee time... i'm empty
15:09:43  * Zir|Scared picture OpenTTD walking down the street and being stabbed by Wolf01
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15:10:13  <Wolf01> maybe the other way around..
15:10:21  <Wolf01> me stabbed by ottd logo
15:10:29  <Zir|NotSoScared> Hmmm
15:10:55  <Wolf01> here is illegal to have a fork (yes those used for eating) at any age
15:11:04  <Wolf01> figure you having a knife
15:11:11  <sla_ro|master> o0
15:11:18  <Zir|NotSoScared> Meh, the police
15:11:23  <sla_ro|master> fork illegal?
15:12:00  <Zir|NotSoScared> "We have an offensive weapon here" he says, looking at the knife (cutlery, you wouldn't kill anyone with that)
15:12:12  <Wolf01> if you purchase a set of forks at the supermarket and police blocks you, they can take them because any stupid thing can be considered a weapon
15:12:34  <Wolf01> also "Duomo di Milano" miniatures -.-
15:12:55  <SmatZ> my fists are weapon
15:13:27  * Zir|NotSoScared has found a loophole
15:13:27  <Wolf01> do they have the safe?
15:13:46  <Zir|NotSoScared> You can either
15:14:02  <Zir|NotSoScared> A) cross the border to scotland and get one at 16
15:14:32  <Zir|NotSoScared> B) get an 18+ friend to buy it and pay them back
15:14:37  * planetmaker suddenly fears SmatZ ;-)
15:15:20  <Zir|NotSoScared> SmatZ: Do you have a safety on them?
15:15:20  <Chaot_s> ah in elgium they throw you on the rails for an ipod.
15:15:24  <Chaot_s>
15:15:28  <Wolf01> I can cut a person in half with my tongue, that's why I don't speak often
15:15:36  <Chaot_s> the video tells enough by itself
15:17:02  <Zir|NotSoScared> 7 inch serrated blade
15:17:02  * Zir|NotSoScared drools at Belugas' Knife
15:17:12  <Zir|NotSoScared> @logs
15:17:12  <DorpsGek> Zir|NotSoScared:
15:18:57  <Wolf01> does it hurts much getting stabbed?
15:18:57  * Zir|NotSoScared feels a bit better
15:19:29  <Zir|NotSoScared> I consider myself Overweight - even though my mother disagrees
15:19:40  <Zir|NotSoScared> I guess that was an element
15:19:56  <Zir|NotSoScared> he had a stanley knife
15:20:01  <Zir|NotSoScared> that's another
15:20:14  <Zir|NotSoScared> he was a bad shot
15:20:17  <Zir|NotSoScared> another
15:20:30  <Zir|NotSoScared> not much - It's the shock
15:21:38  <Zir|NotSoScared> Dettol - It's amazing( how much it hurts)
15:21:45  <Zir|NotSoScared> But it does the trick
15:21:49  <Chaot_s> Zir|NotSoScared : i hope its apropriate to say, though when something impacting happens among friends, we alway say something like... if it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger.
15:21:59  <Wolf01> if somebody will stab me (in any part), with a 5cm knife, I think it could pass through from part to part, I'm a little underweight, not so much, just 7kg
15:22:23  <Zir|NotSoScared> then your fine
15:22:38  <Zir|NotSoScared> the peak of the knife was 3cm at most
15:23:10  <Zir|NotSoScared> What's rather annoying is the fact that I had a friend
15:23:25  <Zir|NotSoScared> he still stabbed me - left him alone
15:23:50  <Zir|NotSoScared> I saw him twice
15:24:02  <Zir|NotSoScared> one outside my friends house
15:24:15  <Zir|NotSoScared> he asked me where I was going
15:24:30  <Zir|NotSoScared> (to my friend's house)
15:24:34  <Zir|NotSoScared> he ran off
15:24:54  <Zir|NotSoScared> I collected my friend - and went home
15:25:44  <Zir|NotSoScared> I'd got to about halfway up the street
15:26:04  <Zir|NotSoScared> when he asked me where I was going
15:26:13  <Zir|NotSoScared> I replied home
15:27:43  <Zir|NotSoScared> He asked where I lived
15:27:55  <Zir|NotSoScared> I replied just down there - blue door
15:28:12  <Zir|NotSoScared> and he said I was lying
15:28:21  <Zir|NotSoScared> I begged him not to hurt me
15:28:31  <Zir|NotSoScared> he asked again
15:28:50  <Zir|NotSoScared> I said go to the other side of the street - you'll see it
15:29:08  <Zir|NotSoScared> he did so and said I was lying
15:29:13  <Zir|NotSoScared> - and stabbed me
15:29:23  <Zir|NotSoScared> before running off again
15:29:59  <Zir|NotSoScared> C'est la vie...
15:30:48  <Chaot_s> i wonder under what influence he was
15:30:53  <Wolf01> the world is full of crazy people
15:31:04  <Zir|NotSoScared> C'est la vie - avec des idiots ajouté ...
15:31:09  <planetmaker> so... was he caught and jailed?
15:31:20  <Zir|NotSoScared> not as yet
15:31:31  <Chaot_s> you think they do actualy take time for that stuff?
15:31:32  <Zir|NotSoScared> it happened 'bout an hour ago
15:31:59  <Zir|NotSoScared> (that's life - complete with added idiots)
15:33:21  <Chaot_s> in the netherlands a we where in the last train to amsterdam. then the ??Conductor?? (he who comes by and checks if you have a valid ticket came by. he checked us, and went on
15:34:00  <Chaot_s> 2 seats further there was a foreign boy who didn't have a valid ticket, so he was told he had to pay a fine and stuff.
15:34:24  <Chaot_s> he then took a knife and threatned to stab the person.
15:35:25  <Zir|NotSoScared> Chaot_s: I don't know - why would someone want to injure an under 13 kid
15:35:41  <Zir|NotSoScared> In case your wondering parent's consent for tt-forums
15:35:53  <Zir|NotSoScared> (11 year old)
15:36:03  <Chaot_s> thats where, as if it was planned before, we 4 stood up and told the ***** that he wouldn't get the chance to tell what happend if he didn't put the knife away in a matter of seconds.
15:36:25  <Chaot_s> it finaly took the police 3 hours to irive at the next train station.
15:36:46  <Chaot_s> they didn't think it was important enough
15:36:54  <Zir|NotSoScared> 15/16 guy armed w/ stanley knife vs. unarmed 11 year old
15:37:22  <Chaot_s> okay... that does change the whole view a bit
15:37:42  <Zir|NotSoScared> Police always have better things to do
15:37:53  <Chaot_s> the impact things have on youngsters or somewhat older persons is different
15:38:17  <Zir|NotSoScared> As I said before - it's the shock more than anything else
15:38:42  <Chaot_s> time will eventualy help with that.
15:39:03  <Chaot_s> (sorry for my sometimes poor choice of words)
15:39:26  <Chaot_s> i can't express myself in the way i would in my primary language.
15:39:37  <Zir|NotSoScared> you sympathise - that's what's important
15:40:06  <Chaot_s> anyways, everything i say is meant with good intentions
15:40:34  <Chaot_s> i hope they get the person and help him get a real life.
15:40:45  <Zir|NotSoScared> me too
15:41:22  <Chaot_s> instead of a life witch depends on threatning other people in order to gain something for them selves
15:42:22  <Chaot_s> honestly, i would like to know what makes a person go that way. i couldn't imagine how that would seem to be a choice.
15:42:59  <Chaot_s> if i realy needed money or something i wouldn't go and threathen people.
15:43:28  <Chaot_s> its so useless and nearly always has the effect of makeing things worse
15:44:07  <fjb> Chaot_s: I'm here now.
15:44:16  <Zir|NotSoScared> I didn't have any money - so he hasn't gained anything
15:44:55  <Chaot_s> so you end up with a cut and he gained nothing.
15:45:07  <Zir|NotSoScared> precisely
15:45:09  <Chaot_s> only the risk of getting police on his back
15:45:13  <Belugas> he gained police attention
15:45:28  <planetmaker> hopefully more than he bargained for
15:45:36  <Chaot_s> fjb : I want to thank you again for last night.
15:46:02  <Zir|NotSoScared> AFAIK three cars - some people with *dogs* some who are *armed*
15:46:06  <Chaot_s> i realy apreciate the response you gave.
15:47:02  <Zir|NotSoScared> planetmaker: a *lot* more than he bargained for
15:47:08  <planetmaker> Zir|NotSoScared, my bet is that every policemen is armed when on such hunt. Just not obviously.
15:47:35  <Zir|NotSoScared> pepperspray - and the good old baton
15:47:46  <Chaot_s> it realy helped me to regain control over my impulsive responses.
15:48:09  <Chaot_s> most persons can be handled without those means.
15:49:02  <Chaot_s> a good talk can make a person stop resisting in a confronting situation. most dutch cops are trained to do just that.
15:49:25  <Chaot_s> only if its realy needed they resort to violence
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16:01:52  <Chaot_s> and then.... there was silence
16:02:34  <Zir|NotSoScared> I've asked my mum if she will take me to a self-defence class
16:02:53  <Zir|NotSoScared> I'm still shocked though
16:05:35  * Zir|NotSoScared shudders
16:05:45  <Belugas> hum... if you were older then 11, i would say : take a good sip of rum, that will pass ;)
16:05:49  <Belugas> but in this case...
16:05:59  <Zir|NotSoScared> hot choccy
16:06:14  <Belugas> not as conforting
16:06:28  <Belugas> mmh...
16:06:32  <Belugas> go swim!
16:06:42  <Belugas> that helped me a lot back then
16:06:44  <Zir|NotSoScared> I can't swim
16:06:55  <Belugas> an intense physical activity
16:07:06  <Belugas> you CAN'T SWIM?????
16:07:16  <Zir|NotSoScared> the only stroke I can do is backstroke - with armbands
16:07:22  <Belugas> that is... very sad
16:07:24  <Zir|NotSoScared> and no local swimming pool
16:07:32  <Belugas> ha.. that mighexplain
16:07:34  <__ln__> aren't you surrounded by sea/ocean
16:07:49  <Belugas> lol
16:07:51  <Chaot_s> Belugas : not in every country swimming is a school event.
16:07:52  <Zir|NotSoScared> I could take a dip in the derwent
16:08:09  <Belugas> i get that now, Chaot_s :)
16:08:25  <Chaot_s> i was slow in typing :D
16:08:36  <Chaot_s> real life conversation going on too :D
16:10:58  * Belugas is working, atm
16:11:22  <Chaot_s> Belugas : a nother hour to go?
16:11:51  <Chaot_s> in other words? near the end of the day
16:11:51  <Alberth> he'd like that :p
16:12:13  <Belugas> to go before lunch break, yes
16:12:29  * Belugas sends a cookie to Alberth :)
16:12:50  <Alberth> yummie :)
16:13:51  <Zir|NotSoScared> My friends have came round to see how I was
16:14:18  <Zir|NotSoScared> It would appear it has spread like the metaphorical wildfire
16:14:19  <Belugas> they were disappointed, there is no more blood!
16:14:33  <planetmaker> such things spread like a wild fire
16:14:41  <Zir|NotSoScared> they were still shocked
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16:14:56  <planetmaker> but it's good to notice who actually checks back :-)
16:15:24  <Belugas> damned...  i have two screens at work, only one from home.  some setups are done for twins, so opening a program setup for seconde scren is like... impossible
16:16:27  <Alberth> ask your boss for a second screen so you can work at home :p
16:17:00  <Belugas> 1) physical limit of home's desk
16:17:09  <Belugas> 2) he'd rather have me on site ;)
16:18:24  <planetmaker> 3) bigger screen at home also for past-time activity ;-)
16:18:38  * SpComb wants a second L220x
16:19:37  <Belugas> planetmaker: past-time = xbox-kinect, tv, basement construction, jams, solo guit playing
16:19:40  <Belugas> compter?
16:19:41  <Belugas> email
16:19:49  <Zir|NotSoScared> hmm
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16:19:49  <Belugas> or... work@home
16:19:54  <SpComb> and porn
16:22:49  <Belugas> lol
16:22:58  <Belugas> not my style, by far not :)
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16:24:04  <Belugas> plus, he... if my wife is awaken by the pick hitting the strings one floor down, imagine if i was watching porn in the room besides the bedroom!
16:24:09  <planetmaker> no need when there's the real thing [TM] ;-)
16:24:14  <avdg> bleh, looks likes r22222 is going to translators :p
16:24:22  <Belugas> plus... who needs pron when one has a nice wife?
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17:05:29  <Terkhen> hello
17:07:08  <planetmaker> wb, Terkhen
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18:45:02  <CIA-11> OpenTTD: yexo * r22222 /trunk/src/ai/ai.hpp: -Fix: compilation when compiling with --disable-ai
18:45:33  <CIA-11> OpenTTD: translators * r22223 /:
18:45:33  <CIA-11> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:33  <CIA-11> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 7 changes by elleryq
18:45:33  <CIA-11> OpenTTD: frisian - 16 changes by Taeke
18:45:33  <CIA-11> OpenTTD: greek - 28 changes by fumantsu
18:45:34  <orudge> r22222 :)
18:45:34  <CIA-11> OpenTTD: italian - 30 changes by Snail_, lorenzodv
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18:46:53  <frosch123> orudge: did you have a highlight on that?
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19:19:08  <CIA-11> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22224 /branches/1.1/ (15 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
19:19:08  <CIA-11> OpenTTD: [1.1] -Backport from trunk:
19:19:08  <CIA-11> OpenTTD: - Fix: Compilation when compiling with --disable-ai (r22222)
19:19:08  <CIA-11> OpenTTD: - Fix: When downloading a file via HTTP failed mid-way and OpenTTD fell back to the old system the partial downloaded amount would be counted twice [FS#4543] (r22208)
19:19:08  <CIA-11> OpenTTD: - Fix: The 'center' (for movement) of vehicles is (currently still) always at
19:19:10  <CIA-11> OpenTTD: 4/8th original vehicle length from the front, so trains should stop at the same
19:19:12  <CIA-11> OpenTTD: location regardless of the length of the front engine [FS#4545] (r22206)
19:21:05  <__ln__> when was american spelling adopted into commit messages?
19:21:35  <Alberth> when was a single language for commit messages established?
19:22:10  <__ln__> important questions
19:24:16  <Rubidium> never ;)
19:24:40  <Alberth> only a bit important, both british english and american english are very readable
19:24:45  <Rubidium> as it's a mix of English "dialects"
19:24:59  <Rubidium> including Dunglish
19:25:18  <Alberth> and typos ;)
19:25:20  <orudge> frosch123: no, I just noticed it
19:25:51  <Terkhen> I'm not be able to discern between spelling styles, except in a few cases such as colour and color
19:26:06  <planetmaker> center and centre
19:26:07  <planetmaker> ;-)
19:27:44  <Terkhen> I wouldn't be able to tell which style is each one :)
19:28:01  <Yexo> center american, centre british?
19:28:05  <planetmaker> yep
19:29:02  <__ln__> also meter, metre
19:29:17  <Prof_Frink> Meter is british english.
19:29:19  <planetmaker> but not google and googel :-P
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19:51:57  <SpComb> fibre and fiber
19:52:23  <SpComb> regexp and ergexp
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19:56:43  <__ln__> pound and dollar
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19:59:21  <Belugas> bear and beer
19:59:31  <Belugas> fear and feet
19:59:48  <Belugas> pea and pee
20:00:10  <__ln__> tea and coke
20:00:32  <frosch123> kick and ban
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20:08:51  <Belugas> mmh... snow has stopped
20:09:19  <Belugas> i guess it's time for exercising the back
20:11:41  <Rubidium> you mean shovelling money to the guy that'll shovel your lawn?
20:12:40  <frosch123> he prepares room for more snow
20:15:39  <Belugas> more like ... move the car, clean under it, shovel the stairs, around the garbages, stuff like that :)
20:15:56  <Belugas> the guy came by two times already
20:16:15  <Belugas> need to "finalize" the brute force jobs he did
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21:11:41  <Belugas> oooch
21:11:45  <Belugas> it hurts
21:12:01  <Belugas> but it's done
21:17:10  <Alberth> good night Belugas
21:18:24  <Belugas> you too sir Alberth
21:18:52  <Belugas> and yes, i'll sleep like a little baby  tomight :)
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22:00:35  <Terkhen> good night
22:01:03  <Belugas> night sir :)
22:01:27  <Belugas> looks like the sun is definitively down on the old continent :)
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22:05:20  <TroyMcClure> anyone knows when the final edition of 1.1.0 is coming out?
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22:07:37  <Wolf01> TroyMcClure, when it's ready
22:08:46  <Belugas> soon
22:09:08  <Belugas> or later, depends of your degree of impatience :)
22:10:51  <Noldo> TroyMcClure: everyone knows
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22:19:50  <planetmaker> not today ;-)
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22:54:21  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm betting money on 1st april ;)
22:55:13  <Prof_Frink> Fool.
22:55:56  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly certain it won't be "rose monday" :p
22:56:12  <planetmaker> hm... How much money do you wager, Eddi|zuHause ?
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22:58:44  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: the amount you get by clicking "add money to your account" button in the cheat window ;)
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