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00:00:27 <confound> does heqs expect "realistic road vehicle acceleration" on? 00:09:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:09:20 <Eddi|zuHause> no 00:09:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure if the values for that are actually balanced... 00:10:46 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:22:43 *** MapperOG [~Leya@HSI-KBW-109-193-179-171.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:29:45 <Wolf01> 'night 00:29:48 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host169-234-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:35:26 <supermop> gah 00:35:43 <supermop> this train is coming in at 65 minutes for a complete run 00:35:58 <supermop> every other train on the line is a multiple of 30 00:36:18 <supermop> I cannot shave off any more time 00:36:29 <supermop> so i will just have to have it lay up for 25 minutes 00:37:27 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5e01febd.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 00:38:31 <supermop> and neither of its termini have the extra platforms for that 00:38:32 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:39:54 <confound> Eddi|zuHause: that makes sense of how terrible things seem with it on :) 00:41:02 <Eddi|zuHause> might want to discusss that in the thread 00:41:34 <supermop> i guess i could bump it to 75, and see how i can make that fit 00:41:40 <confound> well, I don't normally play with it on anyway eddi 00:41:43 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:42:12 <confound> in which case the heqs stuff is really good 00:42:34 <Eddi|zuHause> confound: still needs fixing, though. 00:43:32 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0b3d8e.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:43:32 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 00:43:44 <confound> I guess. I try to avoid bringing up problems that don't affect me and for which I have no useful suggestions :) 00:57:35 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-175-110.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 01:00:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-123-205.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:01:08 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Quit: ...] 01:11:39 *** DDR_ [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 01:18:05 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:26:59 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.12.7.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:29:17 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-74-223.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:42:41 *** ZackG [~ZackG@cpe-74-79-113-4.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 02:42:45 <ZackG> hi 02:42:52 <ZackG> anyone there 02:44:14 <DanMacK> Not for long :P 02:44:34 <ZackG> is it just me or I cant add grfs to a scenario 02:44:45 <ZackG> im using the new 1.1.0 RC2 02:45:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, this feature has been removed, because it caused too many issues 02:46:58 <ZackG> wow.... 02:46:59 <ZackG> rly? 02:47:06 <ZackG> |:-( 02:47:29 <ZackG> that means that I cant create a scenario with grfs? 02:47:48 <DanMacK> One should be able to add grfs in the scenario editor 02:48:01 <ZackG> hmmm 02:48:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, you can, but you need to set up the grfs from the main menu first 02:48:08 <ZackG> hmmm 02:48:39 <ZackG> what beta revison did this ngrf system change 02:48:46 <DanMacK> AWhile back 02:48:47 <ZackG> ill look at the changes system 02:49:03 <Eddi|zuHause> just once you started the scenario editor, you can't change them anymore 02:49:08 <DanMacK> It's the same one that prevents one from changing the climate icons on the main screen 02:49:15 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2A21.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 02:49:20 <ZackG> lol 02:49:24 <ZackG> hmmm 02:49:27 <DanMacK> Which was nice 02:49:37 <ZackG> what I mean is that revision did this occur 02:49:49 <Eddi|zuHause> DanMacK: that has a completely different reason 02:50:34 <ZackG> whats dumb is that I cant open scns tha thave missing grfs 02:50:37 <ZackG> which is retarded 02:51:49 <DanMacK> Eddi, I still think it's annoying because some people can't RTFM 02:51:55 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not retarded, because grfs are such a fundamental part of the game that changing or removing them can cause too much damage 02:52:50 <ZackG> Dan are you saying that I cant read? 02:54:20 <Eddi|zuHause> there are some grfs out there that are practically unusable because the author added and removed lots of grfs during the creation process 02:54:30 <Eddi|zuHause> some scenarios, i mean 02:55:20 <DanMacK> No, I'm saying that the changes were mainly done because people swap out grfs when they don't know what they;re doing and complain about it, when readingt he manual would have prevented that 02:55:51 *** ZackG [~ZackG@cpe-74-79-113-4.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:56:17 *** ZackG [~ZackG@cpe-74-79-113-4.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 02:56:20 <ZackG> sry ABOUT THAT 02:56:24 <ZackG> caps 02:56:30 <ZackG> anyways 02:56:36 <ZackG> are you saying that I cant read 02:57:27 <ZackG> *facepalm 02:58:06 <DanMacK> no, I'm saying that the people that mixed grfs and complained about the results can't read 02:58:14 <ZackG> ah 02:58:18 <ZackG> hmmm 02:59:14 <DanMacK> Question, if I have a scenario active as my title screen with a newgrf, can I change the climate tile, or do I have to manually change my main grf? 03:00:01 <ZackG> not sure 03:00:18 <ZackG> bt what im wondering is how to get fertilizer using Pikka's ECS agriculture 03:00:27 <DanMacK> The Mars grf used to change the toyland climate icon, now it doesn't 03:00:27 <ZackG> and his machinary vector is not downloadable 03:00:34 <DanMacK> ECS isn't Pikka's, it's George's 03:00:35 <ZackG> so I cant load the southeast US scenario 03:00:49 <ZackG> I thought it was pikkas 03:00:54 <DanMacK> nope 03:01:01 <ZackG> anyways 03:01:06 <ZackG> how do I get fertilizer 03:01:16 <ZackG> and I cant download the machinary vector 03:01:24 <DanMacK> Look on George's site 03:01:25 <ZackG> from thettd content window 03:01:27 <ZackG> kk 03:01:31 <DanMacK> Laters 03:01:34 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 03:01:55 <ZackG> he never told me george's website 03:01:57 <ZackG> damn.... 03:16:41 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d5ab:c60e:8dab:e0c0] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:26:31 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-109-251-161.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:32:09 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-136-053.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:37:16 <lugo> ZackG, http://george.zernebok.net/newgrf/downloads.html#decs 04:04:13 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4d0cfb7e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:36:37 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:59:33 <ZackG> I got it 04:59:35 <ZackG> thanks 05:03:46 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.15/20110303024726]] 05:04:45 *** fjb is now known as Guest1156 05:04:47 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFDD57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:11:35 *** Guest1156 [~frank@p5DDFED67.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:17:29 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep] 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B751F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B761EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:04:08 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:54:00 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 07:14:04 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e01febd.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:15:10 *** 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08:19:05 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@99-73-209-18.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:23:09 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2864.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:26:07 *** DDR_ [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:44:23 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 08:55:50 *** Bjarte [bjarte@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:11:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6A787.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:18:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C0B6.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:31:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host169-234-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:32:11 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B105F72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:34:19 <Wolf01> hello 09:37:00 *** amkoroew1 [~Heinz@p5B10787A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:37:57 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 10:09:33 *** rhaeder 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Wolf01 10:58:21 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 11:20:45 *** Priski [priski@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:23:11 *** v3rb0 [~v3rb0@78.84.201.137] has joined #openttd 11:26:28 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:28:13 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:36:04 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.12.7.215] has joined #openttd 11:44:00 <Ammler> the not translated translation wiki pages are nice, now you get 3 wiki pages with same content, the only difference is the title 11:44:23 <Ammler> (if you search for something 11:46:10 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 11:46:24 <Ammler> how do I suggest a page for deleting again? (http://wiki.openttd.org/%D0%A1%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%BE/Ru) 11:48:07 <planetmaker> hm, last edit by "Yexo_bot" (Update inter-language links) ? 11:50:07 <Ammler> planetmaker: last "real" update at october 2010 11:50:15 <planetmaker> yes, I see that 11:50:54 <planetmaker> I just wondered about that nick name. Might be real. Is it your wiki link clean up bot, Yexo ? 11:52:13 <Ammler> well, there was no real update at all, just the copy from default to ru 11:55:20 <Ammler> http://wiki.openttd.org/Special:Contributions/Yexo_bot <-- you find other pages as example for that bot 11:55:35 *** Priski [priski@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 11:55:42 <planetmaker> I know. That's why I asked ;-) 12:09:41 <Yexo> planetmaker: yes, that is my bot 12:09:52 <planetmaker> nice one :-) 12:10:11 <planetmaker> I didn't know such thing existed 12:10:22 <Yexo> only since a few weeks 12:11:02 <planetmaker> is it running on a server to automatically do these edits? 12:11:12 <Yexo> no, it runs locally on my computer 12:11:17 <Yexo> I have to start it manually 12:11:30 <Yexo> Ammler: edit the page and add this to the content: {{Delete|my reason|~~~~}} 12:12:04 <planetmaker> It's IMHO a very good idea to run such bot which updates language settings and changes deprecated categories. 12:12:36 <planetmaker> It could be done automatically when run on a server. If you like, feel free to setup on the Devzone 12:12:40 <Yexo> the code is hacked together, it works, but I don't trust it enough to run it automatically 12:12:45 <planetmaker> :-) ok 12:13:00 <Yexo> I also confirm every edit manually 12:14:00 <planetmaker> aye 12:14:44 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 12:15:15 <Yexo> if you do find any deprecated categories or any updates that could be done automatically, please let me know 12:15:39 <planetmaker> will do 12:20:05 <Ammler> Yexo: maybe you can also search for translation pages, which have 0% progress and exists already for some months 12:20:28 <Ammler> would suprise me, if the page I mentioned is the only one :-) 12:20:39 <Yexo> it's certainly not, I've seen more like that 12:20:56 <Yexo> however it's hard to detect automatically as the template at the top is not reliable 12:21:07 <Yexo> and comparing the text with the english page doesn't work either, the english page could've been updated 12:21:23 <Ammler> another reason, such pages should not exist 12:21:38 <Yexo> agreed, but when to remove them? 12:21:50 <Ammler> those people should start copying, when they also think to translate something 12:21:56 <Ammler> after 1 month 12:21:58 <Yexo> I'm certain there is one translator that creates such pages on his computer so he can more easily translate them later on his mobile device 12:22:31 <Ammler> ok 12:22:40 <Ammler> maybe ask this quy then 12:22:49 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 12:22:49 *** George is now known as Guest1196 12:22:50 *** George|2 is now known as George 12:24:12 <Ammler> I found the page just by accident, as I searched for a english term 12:25:55 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 12:27:46 <Ammler> does the openttd translation have a size limit per string? 12:28:47 *** Guest1196 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:08 <planetmaker> not really. But it has a pain-in-the-ass interface for long strings 12:29:12 <Yexo> on the wiki? no, they're just normal wiki pages 12:30:40 <Ammler> well, I meant to add the readme to webtranslator, IMO the most important untranslated content :-) 12:31:13 <Yexo> that's not a good idea, the webtranslator was never meant for strings longer than a single line 12:31:50 <planetmaker> ^ that sentence is about the length which can be comfortably translated 12:32:29 <Ammler> so splitting the readme to strings per line? :-P 12:32:45 <Yexo> doesn't work, when translating a text you should be translating a text, not single lines of that text 12:32:51 <planetmaker> Not feasible. A readme is a text and you don't translate it even sentence by sentence. 12:51:34 * DanMacK yawns 12:52:17 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.224.180.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 12:53:06 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:00:57 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 13:00:57 *** George is now known as Guest1201 13:00:57 *** George|2 is now known as George 13:16:01 <Belugas> hello 13:16:34 <Wolf01> hello B! 13:20:42 <Belugas> WWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!! 13:23:05 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.18.110.105] has quit [Quit: IRC is just multiplayer notepad] 13:26:24 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:27:55 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 13:28:10 <Terkhen> hi Belugas 13:28:27 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:35:15 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: yexo * r22258 /trunk/src/ (strings.cpp strings_func.h townname.cpp): -Codechange: introduce a wrapper class to clean up the arguments to FormatString 13:45:05 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-139-230.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:48:24 <Belugas> sir Terkhen :) 13:48:32 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:49:02 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-74-223.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 13:50:58 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe28dc00-181.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:59:45 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.18.110.105] has joined #openttd 14:02:07 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 14:06:35 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e01febd.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 14:16:28 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:6841:7c90:22dc:b028] has joined #openttd 14:16:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:41:03 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:47:53 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 14:48:11 <supermop> hello 14:48:42 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:48:50 <Terkhen> hi supermop 14:50:41 <supermop> how is it going? 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16:50:48 <supermop> sort of 16:51:03 <sbound> got a q I'm hoping someone can answer 16:51:26 <sbound> my cities keep shrinking and it's getting on my nerves.. 16:51:39 <sbound> seed tile is not covered, 5+ stations/month etc etc 16:52:11 <sbound> when I started playing, this one city had 250 inhabitants 16:52:17 <sbound> I grew it to 68k 16:52:23 <sbound> with 5 stations or so 16:52:38 <sbound> at 68k, I had time to expand extensively 16:52:44 <sbound> with stations and so forth 16:52:52 <sbound> the city has like 100+ different stations now 16:53:02 <sbound> yet the population is at 48k now 16:54:57 <supermop> hmm 16:55:07 <sbound> 3 airports atm 16:55:13 <sbound> 2 for pax and 1 for cargo 16:55:36 <supermop> at that size maybe random fluctuations in house types could account for that difference 16:55:54 <supermop> personally I have never grown a city beyond about 35 16:56:10 <sbound> oh 16:56:12 <sbound> bugger 16:56:28 <supermop> i have heard of 100k cities, 16:56:29 <supermop> but 16:56:37 <sbound> yeah I had one 105k city once 16:56:37 <supermop> it doesnt really interest me 16:56:47 <sbound> it started out at 200 inhabitants or so 16:56:47 <Eddi|zuHause> the largest cities i heard of had 3M and 1M inhabitants 16:56:53 <supermop> i usually preffer to keep mine somewhat checked 16:57:01 <Eddi|zuHause> but that was not with the default houses 16:57:01 <Yexo> sbound: have you maybe deleted some roads near the center of your town? 16:57:10 <sbound> I eventually reached 105k and then it declined and kept declining until it reached 55k 16:57:12 <Yexo> a city will only expand along towns starting from it's center 16:57:16 <sbound> nope Yexo 16:57:23 <sbound> it's all properly connected 16:57:30 <supermop> and make up large urban areas out of a city and many separate suburbs 16:57:31 <sbound> seed tile is not covered either 16:57:39 <Yexo> having more than 5 stations doesn't help, although it's no problem either 16:57:48 <Yexo> seed tile should be road, doesn't matter if it's covered or not 16:57:55 <sbound> yep that's what I meant 16:57:57 <sbound> it's road 16:58:06 <sbound> going in four directions 16:58:34 <sbound> there is one thing I haven't tried yet though 16:58:45 <sbound> there are four tunnels under the city 16:58:48 <sbound> just left of the seed tile 16:58:53 <sbound> but that shouldn't matter right? 16:59:07 <Yexo> nope 16:59:12 <sbound> well damn 16:59:18 <sbound> I just don't get it 16:59:24 <sbound> it's always like this when I play 16:59:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AF01.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:33 <sbound> 5 stations and the city grows well 16:59:42 <sbound> then when I expand, the city keeps growing 16:59:45 <sbound> but after a while, it stops 16:59:57 <sbound> and from there, it's one way... down 17:00:19 <sbound> it's at 44k now btw 17:00:22 <sbound> it was 48k just before 17:00:27 <sbound> makes no sense 17:00:54 <sbound> I have another city nearby, New Haven 17:00:56 <sbound> it's got 5 stations 17:01:02 <sbound> it's at 17k now 17:01:08 <sbound> it was 200 not long ago 17:01:09 <sbound> lol 17:17:32 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-088-067-068-236.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:14 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 17:49:50 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:10 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-74-223.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:59:42 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.224.180.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:03:02 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-74-223.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:03:40 *** sbound [~sbound@50C54A8E.flatrate.dk] has quit [Quit: I never quit!] 18:04:15 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-74-223.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:09:57 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.16.239.66] has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 18:10:19 *** v3rb0 [~v3rb0@78.84.201.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:10:52 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 18:13:30 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-113-141.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:21:16 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:21:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:29:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe22e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:02 *** ar3k [~ident@ebu127.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 18:44:10 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecx166.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:49:45 *** Guest1201 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:58:17 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 19:04:46 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 19:12:31 *** andythenorth [~andy@91.125.142.2] has joined #openttd 19:12:35 <andythenorth> evenings 19:12:55 * andythenorth is no longer sitting on his arse in Bombay 19:13:03 <andythenorth> and is back in the exciting world of work 19:15:11 <andythenorth> "Why is it that FIRS makes it really really expensive to fund new buildings in towns and new towns? This makes it really hard to grow a town for profitable passenger operations or to make a town big enough to plop certain industries in town." 19:15:24 <andythenorth> ^ presumably that's a side effect of me screwing with base costs? 19:15:49 <Eddi|zuHause> probably 19:17:01 <Terkhen> hi andythenorth :) 19:19:42 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0e584.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 19:22:09 <planetmaker> good evening 19:22:13 <Terkhen> andythenorth: if you are changing the funding industries basecost, you should also set the other costs changed by it to their default values 19:22:14 <Terkhen> hi planetmaker 19:30:23 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 19:31:28 <andythenorth> seems I should 19:32:49 <DanMacK> Hey Andy 19:33:10 <DanMacK> Back from Hot India to wet England? 19:36:45 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: frosch * r22259 /trunk/src/genworld_gui.cpp: -Fix (r9779)[FS#4557]: Remove duplicate and wrong (too early) activation of new game settings. (chillcore) 19:37:18 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 19:37:19 <andythenorth> hi DanMacK 19:37:24 <andythenorth> ever thought of drawing stations? 19:39:33 * DanMacK has in the past, yes 19:39:39 <DanMacK> Hey Lakie 19:39:44 <DanMacK> What sort of stations 19:39:46 <DanMacK> ? 19:39:53 <Lakie> Hi DanMacK 19:42:09 <andythenorth> DanMacK: mostly freight cargos I guess 19:42:16 <andythenorth> I've drawn some that suck :P 19:42:23 <DanMacK> lol 19:42:34 * DanMacK can do passenger stations, cargo... never tried 19:42:45 <andythenorth> it's mostly improved mineral cargos 19:42:56 <andythenorth> I should stop trying to pass the buck and just fix them :P 19:43:47 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ebu127.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 19:44:35 <Eddi|zuHause> someone should fix ISR (and possibly amend the specs) so that piles show depending on cargo throughput and not just currently waiting cargo 19:45:24 <Eddi|zuHause> because regularly serviced stations, and especially dropoff stations are completely empty 19:45:49 <Eddi|zuHause> which defeats the point of beautiful cargo piles 19:46:21 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: change ottd 19:47:02 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I would find it weird if cargo shown didn't correspond to cargo waiting 19:47:07 <andythenorth> it's non-intuitive :P 19:47:24 <frosch123> '"loading stages" are one of the most fundamental part of stations (i.e. they are done in the basic action2). it would be silly to work around that in every grf 19:47:52 <andythenorth> 'add an advanced option' ® 19:50:42 *** ar3k [~ident@ebu127.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:51:53 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:54:54 *** MrSieb [~01Mr@chello062178128065.5.13.vie.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 19:56:37 <Eddi|zuHause> something like "Visual effect of cargo amount at stations: {total waiting cargo|waiting cargo per tile|total cargo througput|cargo throughput per tile}"? 19:57:24 <andythenorth> could we perhaps make it more complicated? 19:57:33 <andythenorth> so that it's harder for newgrf authors to test stuff? 19:57:51 <andythenorth> this only complicates bug reports etc by a factor of 2 :) 19:57:52 <Alberth> add some scaling factor 19:57:56 <andythenorth> or maybe even only 1.5 19:58:16 <andythenorth> why not find a setting that makes bug reports etc *exponentially* difficult? 19:58:27 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: newgrfs already have a flat per tile vs. total 19:58:45 * Alberth throws in some self-adapting amount of displayed cargo based on historic data 19:59:02 <andythenorth> possibly in some averaging way that isn't 100% deterministic? 19:59:08 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: so this flag could be extended to also toggle waiting/throughput? 19:59:19 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 19:59:30 <Alberth> andythenorth: I like that random factor, let's keep it :) 19:59:47 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i guess throughput is nowhere stored currently 20:00:01 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: that is a different point ;) 20:00:08 <andythenorth> don't just make it per calendar month 20:00:10 <andythenorth> give options 20:00:27 <andythenorth> per calendar month, per 30 days, per n-day user-specified rolling average 20:00:34 <Eddi|zuHause> afair there's an unimplemented variable that lets houses check whether a nearby station accepted a certain cargo last month 20:00:41 <planetmaker> but throughput would be nice for cargo display ;-) 20:00:47 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: but there is already some ttdp-only thing for cargo history 20:01:06 <Alberth> planetmaker: how to display? by fast moving cargo or so? 20:01:11 <frosch123> but it had only some bools, no amount 20:01:28 <andythenorth> throughput should be indicated by animation :P 20:01:44 * andythenorth is now actually being serious and not pissing about 20:01:46 <planetmaker> Alberth: no, but to show the amount of displayed cargo based on that amount. Whether to animate that or not... I don't care too much 20:02:03 <planetmaker> I'm always a bit sad that all the nice cargo display is basically empty when I'm doing a good job as company 20:02:23 <Eddi|zuHause> that was exactly my point 20:02:49 <Alberth> stations should delay some cargo a bit some times 20:03:09 <Alberth> eg at 12:00 when they have lunch 20:04:03 <Eddi|zuHause> so: TODO: 1) add throughput statistics to stations, 2) implement missing variables, 2a) add appropriate flag, 3) adjust ISR 20:05:16 <andythenorth> 4. let all newgrf authors discover this change by users reporting bugs to them 20:05:18 <andythenorth> :) 20:05:35 <Eddi|zuHause> statistics as in "cargo this month" and "cargo last month" 20:05:40 <Eddi|zuHause> for each cargo 20:06:12 <Eddi|zuHause> possibly also sparated by incoming/outgoing 20:06:33 *** Aquare [5357080d@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:07:40 *** Aquare [5357080d@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [] 20:08:03 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 20:11:01 * andythenorth is stuck with FIRS quarry station 20:11:02 <andythenorth> http://www.worldwideshoppingmall.co.uk/toys/images/products/33551001.gif 20:11:12 <andythenorth> ^ maybe that will help 20:11:25 <planetmaker> :-D 20:11:28 <andythenorth> or this http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51GQ2QX4X3L.jpg 20:13:27 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-4-64.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:13:27 <Eddi|zuHause> why do i suddenly have a craving for choclate-covered nuts? 20:13:45 <andythenorth> hmm 20:13:54 <andythenorth> maybe that's the FIRS cargo I could around about 1990 20:14:55 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:00 *** sla_ro|vista [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 20:16:38 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:31 <Alberth> I thought you didn't do toyland :) 20:20:09 <andythenorth> hmm 20:20:13 <andythenorth> I might start 20:20:24 <V453000> \o/ YEEEEY 20:20:28 <andythenorth> I have drawn myself into a frustrating corner with FIRS quarries 20:20:35 <andythenorth> wrt to making stations that match them :( 20:21:59 <DanMacK> How so Andy... do you have any images of what you've got so far? 20:22:55 <andythenorth> I'll post 20:26:56 <andythenorth> DanMacK: http://tt-foundry.com/misc/CHIPS_quarry_1.png 20:27:42 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/CHIPS_quarry_2.png 20:29:18 <andythenorth> I probably need to modify the quarry fences 20:29:27 <andythenorth> as well as figure out better station tiles 20:29:59 <DanMacK> I'd go with the same texture as the darker sloped wall of the quarry for the track base 20:31:14 <andythenorth> makes sense 20:32:51 <Alberth> I would expect yellow-ish station tiles 20:33:21 <andythenorth> it has cargo graphics when cargo is waiting 20:33:36 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:33:45 <planetmaker> yeah, I'd expect more yellowish than the olive ones. Like yellow sand on the default ground 20:34:05 <andythenorth> DanMacK: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/chips/repository/changes/sprites/graphics/groundtiles.png 20:34:07 <planetmaker> with default ground showing through when no cargo waiting (just a few crumps of sand) but piles when cargo is waiting 20:34:17 <andythenorth> default ground is no-go :( 20:34:21 <andythenorth> sadly 20:34:30 <planetmaker> you can't overdraw? 20:34:34 <andythenorth> no 20:34:42 <planetmaker> I mean reference? Oh drat. Then I agree 20:34:46 <planetmaker> I thought stations could 20:35:05 <Yexo> you can, but it's hard to chose the correct groundsprite 20:35:16 <Yexo> so snow/desert/rainforest and such 20:35:21 <andythenorth> if it's similar to industries...it's a reasonable amount of checking 20:35:42 <Yexo> hmm, maybe that actually is doable 20:35:43 <planetmaker> hm, similarily hard as with other features? 20:36:01 <Yexo> dunno 20:36:03 <planetmaker> because there... what andy says 20:36:12 <planetmaker> it's a few action2s, but feasible 20:36:16 <andythenorth> canset single tile station does it 20:36:19 <planetmaker> templated it's one-time work 20:36:22 <andythenorth> FIRS quarry also does it 20:36:31 <Yexo> it's not only action2's, it's most likely also the action0 20:36:43 <andythenorth> that's what made me say 'no' 20:36:49 <planetmaker> with stations: yes. That's why I ask :-) 20:37:15 <Yexo> though stations can split the drawing of ground sprite and other sprites via general flag bit 0 20:37:18 <Yexo> action0 prop 13 20:37:23 <Yexo> with that is might be very doable 20:40:59 <andythenorth> I can offer FIRS code :P 20:41:57 <andythenorth> var 41 and 60 is used there 20:48:09 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ebu127.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:48:13 *** Maarten_ [~dutchusa@99-73-209-18.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Meh] 20:48:24 *** ar3k [~ident@ebu127.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 20:48:26 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 20:52:58 <Yexo> andythenorth: it'll only be possibie for non-track tiles 20:53:13 <andythenorth> it's probably not worth it ;) 20:53:34 <Yexo> it's actually not so hard for non-track tiles 20:54:19 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: frosch * r22260 /branches/1.1/ (. src/genworld_gui.cpp): 20:54:19 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: [1.1] -Backport from trunk: 20:54:19 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: - Fix: New game settings were applied to early when starting a game via a heightmap. [FS#4557] (r22259) 20:55:06 <andythenorth> Yexo: how do we assign a different class (and string) to the CHIPS tiles? 20:55:25 * Alberth wonders why the bananas FIRS 0.6.2 has 'nightly' in the tags 20:55:39 * andythenorth is unsure 20:56:08 <Yexo> andythenorth: action0 prop 08 sets the class 20:57:09 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: frosch * r22261 /branches/1.1/ (11 files in 5 dirs): [1.1] -Prepare: for 1.1.0-RC3 20:58:31 <planetmaker> uhm... what do you mean with "in the tags", Alberth ? 21:00:03 <andythenorth> it's in the tags ;) 21:00:10 <andythenorth> as is 'developing' 21:00:28 <andythenorth> and 'newgrf' - which seems somewhat tautological 21:00:42 <planetmaker> oh, those tags 21:01:42 <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/download_firs.png 21:02:47 <Alberth> developing can be defended as its version number is less than 1.0 :) 21:07:15 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: frosch * r22262 /tags/1.1.0-RC3/: -Release: 1.1.0-RC3 21:19:47 <Belugas> bye 21:20:44 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:26:56 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 21:40:19 <Alberth> andythenorth: should farms cluster together in 0.6.2 ? 21:40:32 <andythenorth> somewhat 21:42:39 * confound likes that 21:44:23 *** Macha [~Macha@109.78.61.149] has joined #openttd 21:44:25 *** Macha [~Macha@109.78.61.149] has left #openttd [] 21:44:42 <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/clustered_farms.png 21:45:43 <Alberth> that's all farms I have :p 21:45:57 <andythenorth> farming region :D 21:46:06 <andythenorth> looks like all types located together 21:46:41 <andythenorth> different types don't try to co-locate 21:46:43 <andythenorth> only same type 21:53:01 <Alberth> the bottom one is only one type, so that seems to hold 21:53:58 <andythenorth> the effect probably just indicates genuine randomness :) 21:54:03 <andythenorth> try another map :P 21:57:02 <Alberth> in a minute, first need to fix my code :) 21:58:41 <andythenorth> hmm 21:58:49 <andythenorth> flickering cargo at stations *is* annoying 21:59:36 <andythenorth> i.e. there is a brief flicker whilst a train is loading 21:59:37 *** alluke [~52b528fd@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 21:59:48 <andythenorth> maybe I just set the initial display threshhold higher? 21:59:55 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:17 <Yexo> that's not trivial to do 22:01:01 <andythenorth> set 2 'little' lots, and have the first use blank sprites? 22:01:19 <Yexo> yep 22:01:49 <Alberth> slightly better this time, reload the url :) 22:02:02 <Yexo> it'd be better to set some more 'little' sets, make the first one use empty sprites and the other sets all the same 22:02:34 <andythenorth> indeed 22:02:48 <andythenorth> something is unsatisfying about cargo display 22:03:06 <andythenorth> I don't know what 22:05:25 <alluke> andy 22:05:31 <alluke> check the chips topic 22:06:11 <andythenorth> what about it? 22:06:15 <alluke> my post 22:06:25 *** sla_ro|vista [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: Visit my community site at http://sla-co.webs.com/] 22:08:26 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:09:33 <alluke> see it? 22:09:52 <andythenorth> back tomorrow ;) 22:09:54 <andythenorth> good night 22:10:06 *** andythenorth [~andy@91.125.142.2] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:13:51 <Terkhen> good night 22:15:57 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-103-45.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 22:18:44 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 22:20:42 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-113-141.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:16 *** Macha [~Macha@109.78.61.149] has joined #openttd 22:28:20 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.18.110.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:40 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.18.110.105] has joined #openttd 22:37:03 *** Macha [~Macha@109.78.61.149] has left #openttd [] 22:37:18 *** alluke [~52b528fd@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:37:53 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2a3b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 23:00:22 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-7-106.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 23:08:46 *** Macha [~Macha@109.78.61.149] has joined #openttd 23:08:55 *** Macha [~Macha@109.78.61.149] has left #openttd [] 23:18:30 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2a3b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21:54 <Wolf01> 'night 23:21:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host169-234-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:24:14 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:29:13 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-088-067-068-236.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:29:47 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 23:32:55 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe28dc00-181.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 23:34:29 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2864.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 23:38:03 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:39:28 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-47-51.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:42:03 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-63-59.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:46:34 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:29 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... someone forgot updating the topic 23:59:43 <supermop> hm?