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colour have been anoying me for a few months now so I have added them to FA 04:43:25 *** drumspirit [~drumspiri@dsl.static-186-116-74-153.electronicbox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:43:26 <Chris_Booth> FA 04:43:35 <Chris_Booth> if you need more details please ask me 04:44:46 <Chris_Booth> the 2 colours that I have given you images for you can't see the diffenerce for on any screen that I use 04:45:03 <Chris_Booth> so please as me for more information 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B768BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74848.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:57:20 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 05:49:35 *** tneo [~tneo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:51:44 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:52:25 *** 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andythenorth [~andy@80.229.121.87] has joined #openttd 06:25:59 <andythenorth> morning 06:26:41 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host86-149-29-210.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 06:32:56 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe35dc00-187.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 06:33:59 <Rubidium> moi andy 06:47:40 <planetmaker> moin 06:57:22 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 06:59:03 * andythenorth does grumble 06:59:49 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: you know that you'll need an almost-flat map for a 10x15 industry to find a location? 07:00:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CC83.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:01:03 <andythenorth> with widely spaced towns, and widely spaced objects, industries, other immovables 07:01:05 <andythenorth> and low water 07:01:39 <andythenorth> and maximum height difference of 1 tile across that 10x15 area 07:03:05 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: yes. plenty of ways to get those ;) 07:03:16 <andythenorth> terraform :P 07:03:21 <andythenorth> with magic bulldozer cheat 07:03:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the industry code already terraforms +/-1 level across the whole industry area 07:03:45 <Eddi|zuHause> on map generation 07:03:50 <andythenorth> it will try and level a platform yes 07:04:04 <andythenorth> in many cases that's no possible due to construction further / up down a slope 07:04:14 <andythenorth> ach 07:04:20 <andythenorth> I don't know why I'm arguing 07:04:21 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2E2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:04:43 <andythenorth> the general opinion of a lot of (wrong) people seems to be that industries are not large enough 07:05:04 <andythenorth> :P 07:05:42 <andythenorth> it's also completely inappropriate for a fully loaded 747 to land / take off in 6 tiles 07:05:55 <andythenorth> and as for the problem with trains and depots... 07:06:00 <andythenorth> :| 07:06:06 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, there's no such thing as a "to scale" industry 07:06:23 <andythenorth> that's the way it should be :D 07:06:29 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host86-149-29-210.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:06:46 <andythenorth> good toys use selective compression of some elements 07:07:25 * andythenorth should have slept more and will now get off high horse before falling off 07:07:39 <andythenorth> hmm 07:07:55 <andythenorth> it would be nice to plant some appropriate fields around sheep and dairy farms 07:08:06 <andythenorth> but I think that project has died permanently :) 07:19:07 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:30:46 <Terkhen> good morning 07:35:26 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:35:29 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 07:40:27 *** andythenorth [~andy@80.229.121.87] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:42:13 *** andythenorth [~andy@80.229.121.87] has joined #openttd 07:42:15 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-001-092.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:52:37 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[~wolf01@host69-232-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:41:38 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 09:43:03 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d0824d5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:53:19 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6EEC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:02:58 <andythenorth> frosch123: extended sprite layout isn't in 1.1 is it? 10:03:04 <andythenorth> in case I missed it somewhere? 10:03:14 <planetmaker> not 10:05:24 <frosch123> no, it is not finsihed yet 10:07:14 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6EEC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 10:09:31 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-194-87.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 10:10:45 <andythenorth> ok 10:10:58 <andythenorth> I shall not do any FIRS date-specific graphics yet then 10:10:59 <andythenorth> :) 10:15:49 *** JOHNSHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-194-87.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:16:15 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:16:26 *** andythenorth [~andy@80.229.121.87] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:29:30 <st6> is there a way to fix mouse lagging in the game? 10:29:50 <st6> or is it just a fps thing or something 10:30:31 <SmatZ> if you see the game has low fps, then your mouse will be seemingly lagging 10:30:41 <planetmaker> it doesn't lag here, so... ^ 10:31:11 <planetmaker> thus if the map you play pushes the cpu core the game runs on to 100%, you'll perceive a lag 10:31:25 <Alberth> there have been discussions about that in the forums, perhaps that gives you an idea of what is happening 10:32:17 <st6> ill check it out 10:38:19 <SmatZ> Chris_Booth: "All windows trunks on my screen hace this issue." does it mean stable versions don't have that problem? or - 1.0 was ok, but 1.1 has that problem? 10:38:56 <SmatZ> also, why did you set the severity to "critical" 10:40:55 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 10:41:15 *** 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#openttd 11:56:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22288 /trunk/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Deduplicate Blitter_8bppBase::DrawLine() and Blitter_32bppBase::DrawLine() into Blitter::DrawLine(). 11:56:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22289 /trunk/projects/ (4 files): -Fix (r22288): Forgot project files. 12:01:34 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 12:08:26 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15:08 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: "He who controls the past commands the future, He who commands the future, conquers the past." - Kane] 12:25:20 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 12:32:03 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f5c3:674e:52f8:8327] has joined #openttd 12:32:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:33:44 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-66-117.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:40:55 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 12:47:28 *** PhoenixII [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 12:47:28 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:09:59 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 13:25:02 <frosch123> Chris_Booth: http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/LinesTrunk.png http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/Lines1.png <- better? 13:41:53 <Chris_Booth> yes much better frosch123 13:42:32 <Chris_Booth> i like the second one best 13:44:10 <frosch123> err, the first one is unmodified trunk :p 13:44:52 <SmatZ> I totally overlooked the gray (?) company in the graph :) 13:45:43 <frosch123> imo gray is easier than the blueish one :) 13:50:38 <SmatZ> true :) 13:50:46 <SmatZ> maybe we should get back to the 8 companies limit 13:50:48 <confound> the second is better 13:50:56 <SmatZ> and choose only 8 well distinguishable colours :) 13:51:13 <Chris_Booth> yeah line wieght isn't a huge issue 13:51:25 <Chris_Booth> but when in chat and you have 2 yellow is annoying 13:51:27 <Chris_Booth> and confusing 13:53:27 <frosch123> for the chat we could put the company icon (?) in front of the message? 13:53:37 <frosch123> otoh, i thought coop has only one colour anyway :p 13:59:26 <Chris_Booth> yes it is frosch123 but when playing on other servers such as the welcome server on coop 13:59:47 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2E2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 13:59:48 <Chris_Booth> when I choose orange and someone choose yellow we look the same 14:00:11 <frosch123> damn, i still make more money with 3 planes than 14 ais :s 14:01:58 <Chris_Booth> ais frosch123? 14:02:12 <frosch123> "AIs" 14:02:25 <frosch123> i need a graph with 15 of the 16 colours :p 14:02:33 <Chris_Booth> aaah I see 14:10:26 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/CargoGraph_ThinDark.png http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/CargoGraph_ThinBright.png http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/CargoGraph_ThickDark.png http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/CargoGraph_ThickBright.png 14:10:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@212.183.140.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:12:36 <frosch123> hmm, nah, bright is bad. it makes orange look like yellow 14:12:44 <frosch123> it does not match the colours in the legend 14:12:51 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@152.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 14:17:20 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@152.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [] 14:24:42 *** Cursarion [ronin@viuhka.fi] has joined #openttd 14:24:48 <Cursarion> hi 14:25:05 <Cursarion> I have Fedora 12 and OpenTTD 1.0.3 14:25:38 <Cursarion> apparently this version of Fedora can't update stuff from repos anymore (or something). How should I update, and to what version if I want to get on 1.0.5 server? 14:26:01 <Cursarion> can a newer version client connect to an older version server? 14:26:03 <frosch123> if you want to join a server the versions need to match exactly 14:27:03 <frosch123> http://binaries.openttd.org/releases/ <- you can get old versions from there 14:27:07 <Cursarion> okay 14:27:08 <Cursarion> thanks 14:27:40 <frosch123> try the linux-generic ones 14:28:17 <ccfreak2k> frosch123, how about hilighting a particular line (perhaps by drawing a thicker line behind it) when the cursor is over any company on the key? 14:28:34 <frosch123> ccfreak2k: you can aswell toggle them by clicking 14:28:40 <Alberth> Cursarion: F12 is not maintained any more by Fedora 14:33:39 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:36:27 *** snorre [~snorre@c6529BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43:13 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 14:43:25 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 14:47:03 *** leanden [~leanden@78.150.39.82] has joined #openttd 14:48:05 <leanden> Howdy 14:51:16 *** leanden [~leanden@78.150.39.82] has quit [] 15:04:39 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2E2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:08:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22290 /trunk/src/blitter/base.cpp: -Codechange: Somewhat deduplicate one line of code. 15:37:10 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:59 *** Markk_ is now known as Markk 15:39:02 *** Markk is now known as Mark 15:40:24 *** Mark is now known as Markk 15:55:32 *** tneo- is now known as tneo 15:59:07 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 16:16:04 <Eddi|zuHause> gnah, generic buffers is not groundtile agnostic... 16:17:50 *** Markavian [~Markavian@121.101.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:54 <st6> where does giant screenshot save to? 16:21:00 <glx> Cursarion: and you may want to use openttd 1.1.0 (latest stable release) 16:21:04 <DanMacK> OTTD folder in Mydocuments usually 16:21:47 <glx> good luck when opening a giant screensot :) 16:25:55 <Eddi|zuHause> it's usually fine for anything <= 256x256 ;) 16:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause> you usually get in trouble when the "raw" (uncompressed) image gets in regions of >2GB 16:29:41 <Eddi|zuHause> bÀh... i seem to be too tired... the whole forum is just gibberish today... 16:30:46 <frosch123> how does you mood influence the content of the forums? :) 16:31:54 <Eddi|zuHause> dunno, kinda was expecting it was my fault :p 16:32:47 <frosch123> accepted. finally i have someone to blame when the forums turn bad 16:33:00 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: not the content, but my perception thereof. 16:35:30 *** snorre [~snorre@c6529BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 16:39:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22291 /trunk/src/ (blitter/base.cpp blitter/base.hpp gfx.cpp gfx_func.h): -Add: a linewidth argument to GfxDrawLine() and Blitter::DrawLine(). 16:40:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22292 /trunk/src/graph_gui.cpp: -Change: Increase the linewidth in plots. 16:42:05 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: definitely one of those kind of days 16:43:13 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host86-149-29-210.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:43:47 * andythenorth wonders why people need all these insanely big stations 16:43:53 <andythenorth> and huge queues of trains 16:43:55 <LordAro> moin all 16:43:55 <Cursarion> glx: for going to 1.0.5 server? 16:43:59 <Cursarion> maybe when the server updates 16:44:15 <confound> andythenorth: how big is 'insanely big'? 16:44:20 <glx> of course you need the same version 16:44:21 <andythenorth> dunno 16:44:23 <andythenorth> just big 16:44:36 <confound> do you think 6x6 is big? 16:44:53 <andythenorth> 7 platforms is big 16:44:56 <andythenorth> for a single industry 16:45:05 <andythenorth> and of little benefit 16:45:24 <confound> single primary industry? 16:45:32 <andythenorth> appears to be 16:45:38 <confound> 7x1? :) 16:45:44 <andythenorth> 7xn 16:45:50 <andythenorth> I can't be bothered to count :P 16:45:57 <andythenorth> ach 16:46:01 <Alberth> I do that to make sure all trains serving that industry have a platform 16:46:04 <andythenorth> it's a question of style I guess 16:46:30 <confound> I never end up with more than 3 for a primary industry 16:46:36 <andythenorth> I usually have 1 16:46:40 <confound> 4 if I send a supply train there 16:46:45 <confound> er, I meant 2 and 3, not 3 and 4 16:47:15 <Alberth> indeed, I normally have only a few trains waiting 16:47:25 <andythenorth> 2 platforms + escape depot for me 16:47:37 <andythenorth> it's enough to keep station rating up most of the time 16:47:38 <Alberth> it is just a safe guard that trains have a place when production decreases 16:47:46 <andythenorth> ah 16:47:53 * andythenorth never has production decrease ;) 16:48:03 <confound> yeah, 2 for filling + waiting, 3rd for supply 16:48:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i have 5 platforms at one industry right now (2 unloading, 3 loading), and 6 platforms covering 3 industries 16:48:55 <Eddi|zuHause> transfer stations tend to get huge 16:49:17 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: 2 unloading + 3 loading makes sense 16:49:27 <andythenorth> and 6 per 3 also 16:49:39 <andythenorth> hey ho 16:50:07 <andythenorth> for example, this strikes me as odd: http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=142894 16:50:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i lied. it's now 7 for 4 industries... 16:51:14 <confound> andythenorth: which, the livestock loading? 16:51:19 <andythenorth> looks like it 16:51:26 <andythenorth> 7 platforms for one farm? 16:51:31 <confound> that might be two stations 16:51:33 <andythenorth> plus a huge 'escape yard' 16:51:52 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: if you compute platforms/industry, it gets better :) 16:52:00 <confound> yeah I have no idea what's going on there 16:52:11 <andythenorth> hmm 16:52:19 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: that's cheating, because one of the industries is a sink only. 16:52:49 * andythenorth finds that RVs and ships are much more efficient on space vs. rating vs. transported amount 16:53:14 * andythenorth is also now fed up of reports that FIRS is broken with Chill's patch 16:53:21 <andythenorth> what am I supposed to do about that? :P 16:53:31 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: that's totally not true when you're not using HEQS and FISH :p 16:53:45 <Alberth> if only you could stack trains onto each other like ships :) 16:53:47 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: complain that the patch is broken 16:53:51 <andythenorth> well not using them would be like choosing to smoke bad crack 16:54:00 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: the patch is broken ;) 16:54:09 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: it should get the cargo names which have TE_GOODS set, and not just assume it's called "goods" 16:55:21 <Alberth> andythenorth: ask a moderator to move the posts to Chillcore's patch thread :) 16:55:32 <andythenorth> that's where they are :) 16:55:38 <andythenorth> but I keep getting asked about it 16:55:49 <andythenorth> I have posted in that thread with eddi's answer 16:56:15 <andythenorth> does the game ship with some default trams? 16:56:40 <Eddi|zuHause> no 16:56:44 <andythenorth> should it? 16:56:48 <Eddi|zuHause> no 16:56:51 <andythenorth> ok 16:57:00 <andythenorth> next issue :) 16:57:29 * Eddi|zuHause considers implementing "scale industry production with daylength". but not today... someone remind me tomorrow. 16:57:37 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: which forum gibberish did you find? 16:57:58 <Eddi|zuHause> plenty 16:58:05 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:58:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the suggestions forum was the worst... 16:58:41 <andythenorth> I usually regret going in there 16:58:48 <andythenorth> the problems forum even more so 17:03:27 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: suggestions forum is good, consider what would happen if all those users would post the suggestions elsewhere :p 17:04:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: i meant: the amount of gibberish is even higher than usual 17:05:55 <Alberth> after 'problems', 'suggestions' is the first form of participation :) 17:06:50 <Alberth> where you don't have such concrete things like in 'problems' :) 17:07:06 <DanMacK> I have a hard problem wading through the Development forum sometimes 17:08:40 <supermop> i like reading suggestions, 17:08:50 <supermop> rarely read general or problems 17:10:59 * Alberth mostly reads by scanning topic titles 17:12:55 <frosch123> supermop: but they repeat every month? so you can only enjoy them for one month in your life 17:14:09 <supermop> ocassionally someone has a different perspective on an idea, 17:14:21 <supermop> and there are a lot of new people in there 17:16:46 * DanMacK has to admit though, some of the suggestions are pretty silly 17:18:08 <DanMacK> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=53753 comes to mind... 17:33:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:37:37 *** Ruudjah [~opera@86.93.109.194] has joined #openttd 17:38:59 <Ruudjah> I tried upgrading to 1.1.0. So I removed 1.05 from Ubuntu software center, downloaded the ubuntu 10.04 32bits .deb file and ran it. It opened up ubuntu sofwtare center, but it says "Dependency is not satisfiable: liblzma1 (>= 4.999.9beta) " 17:39:21 <Ruudjah> how to workaround? 17:39:40 <andythenorth> DanMacK: I liked that suggestion 17:39:49 <andythenorth> it's at least a creative hack on the game engine 17:39:59 <andythenorth> rather than yet another boring train nerd request :D 17:42:07 <DanMacK> lol, true 17:42:28 <Ruudjah> planetmaker: how is NML going along? 17:42:28 <andythenorth> why he wants it I can't fathom 17:42:38 * DanMacK pictures an F1 track as part of the future "Tourist" mod for FIRS 17:42:45 <DanMacK> called FIRST 17:43:09 <andythenorth> ho 17:43:13 <andythenorth> racetrack 17:43:16 <andythenorth> not a bad industry 17:43:28 <andythenorth> I have thought of numerous entirely 'other' industry chains 17:43:42 <andythenorth> a lifestyle / sports chain for example 17:43:53 <andythenorth> you would ship racehorses, f1 cars, sports teams 17:44:02 <andythenorth> burgers, merchandise 17:44:06 <andythenorth> bribes 17:44:20 <andythenorth> soft drinks, alcohol 17:44:24 <Mazur> Deutsche Bahn is going to run ICE3 trains to the UK. 17:44:41 <Mazur> I did not know that. 17:44:42 <andythenorth> 'we need tunnels under water' :P 17:45:23 <Mazur> Well, there are some tunnels in that direction, I believe they might utilise tose. 17:46:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Mazur: yes, they're trying to get the ICE3 approved for the Eurotunnel [where TGV/Eurostar has currently a monopoly] 17:47:39 <Mazur> Proposed trajectory through A'dam, nice. Would give me a fast connection through London. 17:47:44 <Mazur> to London 17:47:50 <Eddi|zuHause> "Peking's air is now 'crazy bad' quality after it got so bad it triggered an easter egg in the american embassy's measurement software" 17:50:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Mazur: i think it's still a few years to go. 17:50:10 <frosch123> Ruudjah: install liblzma resp. libxz 17:50:18 <Mazur> Of course. 17:50:32 <Mazur> Still, quite interesting. 17:50:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Mazur: part of the problem is that the requirement rules for trains through the eurotunnel are pretty much designed to only include the eurostar :p 17:51:29 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. "train of 800m length must be passable from front to back". where every other train of this length in europe would usually consist of two separate units 17:52:02 <Ruudjah> sudo apt-get install liblzma -> unable to locate package liblzma 17:52:07 <Ruudjah> same for libxz 17:52:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Ruudjah: lzma2? 17:52:25 <andythenorth> randomising cc use on stations - means making some custom recolor sprites? 17:53:16 <frosch123> the debian package is called liblzma2 17:53:18 <Ruudjah> lzma2 same 17:54:27 <Ruudjah> liblzma2 -> liblzma2 is already the newest version. 17:54:50 <Ruudjah> so openttd points to liblzma1, and I have liblzma2 17:55:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Ruudjah: openttd needs liblzma2 17:55:03 <Ruudjah> liblzma1 not in apt repo 17:55:05 <Mazur> Well, the French and English wanted to have an easy monopoly on the tunnel, I suppose. 17:55:16 <Eddi|zuHause> liblzma1 is outdated/incompatible 17:55:33 <frosch123> afaik the ubuntu binaries are build on a ubuntu vm, so i am suprised it does not have the needed librarise 17:55:33 <Mazur> It will eventually bite them in the back. 17:55:42 <Ruudjah> Eddi|zuHause: Ubuntu software center says: "Dependency is not satisfiable: liblzma1 (>= 4.999.9beta) " when opening the 32bit ubuntu 1.1.0 deb 17:56:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Ruudjah: that looks like a bug 17:56:27 <planetmaker> Ruudjah: NML is working mostly fine. But it has not yet full coverage of all features 17:56:51 <planetmaker> but it's being worked on. Sometimes more, sometimes less 17:56:57 <planetmaker> good evening also :-) 17:57:02 <Ruudjah> :) 17:57:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Ruudjah: you should probably report that to someone who is interested. 17:57:39 <Ruudjah> what? 17:57:44 <Eddi|zuHause> let's call him "wayne" :p 17:58:06 <frosch123> Ruudjah: well, try the linux-generic one then 17:58:16 <frosch123> it seems to statically link liblzma 17:59:06 <frosch123> (at least ldd does not list it) 17:59:35 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, linux-generic should statically link most of the things 18:00:06 <Ruudjah> ah, that seems to work, it does not have an installer though :( 18:00:27 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:01:10 <Ruudjah> actually that doesnt work at all 18:01:23 <Ruudjah> I unzipped it into a folder, double clicked openttd but nothing happens 18:02:50 <LordAro> Terkhen: (mingw) it would appear that the zlib installation is failing 18:03:26 <Ruudjah> well 18:03:44 <Ruudjah> no wonder I get "Dependency is not satisfiable: liblzma1 (>= 4.999.9beta) ", i downloaded 10.04 while I ave 10.10 18:03:51 <Ruudjah> 10.10 works as expected 18:04:07 <Ruudjah> generic doesnt though 18:06:17 <supermop> how do trees know to clump together by species in ottd? 18:06:37 <supermop> do they have some sort of callback to check neighboring trees? 18:07:53 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: afair tree growth is usually by "plant same species in adjacent tile", in some rarer instances "place random tree in random tile" 18:08:15 <Eddi|zuHause> except in rainforest, then the latter version dominates 18:08:35 <supermop> ok 18:08:56 <supermop> so its not just in my head, there is a tendency for trees to clump 18:09:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 18:09:23 <supermop> there can be 2 or 4 trees per tile? 18:09:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i think up to 5 18:10:09 <supermop> can there me more than one of same species in same tile? 18:10:41 <supermop> i am trying to think out the practicality of tall grass or reeds growing as a type of tree 18:10:48 <Eddi|zuHause> there is only one species stored, the rest is by some pseudo-random calculation 18:11:16 <supermop> trees don't care about altitude or slope? 18:11:26 <Eddi|zuHause> no, the "uneven" territory has nothing to do with trees 18:11:55 <supermop> so no way to have hills prefer pines, and lowlands prefer deciduous 18:12:01 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a "no tree growths above heightlevel X" patch around 18:12:17 <supermop> but it is one treeline for all species 18:12:21 <frosch123> supermop: topic climate does that 18:12:25 <frosch123> *tropic 18:12:36 <supermop> yeah? 18:12:40 <supermop> ive never played it 18:12:49 <frosch123> different trees in normal land, and rainforest 18:13:10 <supermop> but there the tiles have a different additional property 18:13:30 <supermop> so to implement that for 'hills' 18:13:41 <frosch123> well, normal land is near the see, rainforest is in hills 18:13:45 <frosch123> *sea 18:13:55 <supermop> you would need a 'high altitude' terrain type 18:14:09 <supermop> that prefers conifers 18:14:32 <supermop> and maybe a 'mountain' type that prefers no vegetation 18:14:47 <supermop> maybe wildflowers 18:14:50 <__ln__> http://i.imgur.com/QlGpd.gif 18:16:16 <Terkhen> LordAro: with what error? 18:16:33 <Markk> __ln__: :D 18:18:01 <LordAro> Terkhen: http://pastebin.com/THcP4a4z 18:18:47 <Terkhen> I don't remember its exact output but that does not look like an error to me 18:20:54 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:06 <Terkhen> my guess is that you are missing the new step at the beginning of Setting up MSYS, anyways 18:23:40 <LordAro> oh yes, i ticked MSYS Basic System and MinGW Developer Tools by accident... 18:23:58 <LordAro> i seemed to be going ok... until that point :) 18:24:19 <LordAro> is there an easy way of removing those items? 18:24:20 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:55 <Terkhen> not that I know 18:27:02 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: now make the same with a PNG :p 18:27:11 <LordAro> meh... oh well, my bad :) 18:33:44 <LordAro> Terkhen: i'm getting errors about not being able to find some 'catalogues', is this known? 18:34:23 <Terkhen> you will have to be more specific, I don't know what are you referring to 18:38:35 <LordAro> on first installation, i selected 'download latest package catalogues' (or something like that) and it wasn't able to find some of them. it was probably related to that 18:42:10 <Terkhen> the tutorial specifically says: Select "Use pre-packaged repository catalogues". 18:42:43 <LordAro> well i was trying to be clever be going for 'latest'... :L 18:46:55 <LordAro> Terkhen: where is the 'executable' for mingw? the installation seems to have failed with the start menu icon... 18:56:33 <Terkhen> why should that fail at all? 18:56:58 <Terkhen> if the icon is not present you probably did not install MSYS 18:57:05 <Terkhen> "Select C++ Compiler and MSYS Basic System as optional components." 18:57:16 <Terkhen> please follow the tutorial literally 18:57:56 <planetmaker> :-) 18:58:14 <LordAro> damnation... 18:59:26 <LordAro> i've just made one of the most basic mistakes... :) 19:05:52 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i think i just had a genious thought, but probably nobody is going to notice... 19:15:31 <LordAro> Terkhen: i'm still getting the same zlib error... 19:18:21 <supermop> is that a challenge, eddi? 19:25:36 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:16 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:26:41 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 19:38:12 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 19:39:15 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B73C2.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:39:45 <DanMacK> Hey Lakie 19:40:15 <Lakie> Hi DanMacK 19:47:13 <__ln__> anyone been watching "The Event"? 19:48:18 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: only the first half of the season so far... 19:48:48 <glx> LordAro: what's the error ? (paste expired it seems) 19:48:55 <__ln__> quite an addictive series 19:48:58 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: if you mean "should i start watching this", then probably: "don't bother" 19:49:22 <__ln__> already started :) 19:49:24 <Eddi|zuHause> it's unlikely to survive the season IMO 19:50:24 <__ln__> so they say 19:51:25 <Eddi|zuHause> if enough people are saying that, it tends to become truth 19:55:38 <__ln__> did you ever watch "the 4400", which was remotely similar in theme? 20:04:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah 20:04:29 <Eddi|zuHause> also a series that went from us well before its time. 20:04:47 <Eddi|zuHause> people call it "the summer glau curse" :p 20:06:00 <Eddi|zuHause> series where summer glau had a significant part: firefly, the 4400, terminator, the cape 20:06:11 <__ln__> imho the 4400 ended up being very dull in the long run, the big plot not advancing nearly at all. 20:06:19 <Eddi|zuHause> series that got canceled prematurely: firefly, the 4400, terminator, the cape 20:07:05 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: hmm... i didn't have that impression... 20:07:57 <glx> hmm I don't remember summer glau in the 4400 20:07:59 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host86-149-29-210.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:09 <__ln__> i don't remember when i stopped watching it, but apparently before summer glau appeared 20:08:10 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: the crazy girl 20:08:28 <__ln__> or was she there from the start? 20:08:35 <glx> but she's in dollhouse 20:08:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i think she appeard beginning of season 2, and then again during season 4 20:08:56 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: oh right, i forgot. but that's only a minor role ;) 20:09:21 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: the scary thing is, she appeared in The Big Bang Theory as well :p 20:09:45 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: but dollhouse was doomed way before she appeared 20:10:08 <glx> yeah the serie is too complicated for US 20:33:32 <xQR> any idea why my map is full of industries since the upgrade from 1.0.5 to 1.1.0? i still got number_industries = 0 as before 20:36:16 <xQR> is it deprecated and now overriden by industry_density? because i just noticed that one is set to 5 o0 20:36:43 <Yexo> number_industries is not a valid setting in 1.1 / trunk 20:36:46 <frosch123> that setting changed, yes, there are now more options 20:36:47 <Yexo> industry_density is 20:36:50 <xQR> ah great 20:36:53 <xQR> thx 20:37:08 <Wolf01> 'night 20:37:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host32-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:41:22 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 20:42:31 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has left #openttd [] 20:49:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:01:48 <DanMacK> Dollhouse season 1 was pretty good, season 2 was a bit more, odd 21:02:48 <orudge> oh hey, it's DabuYu 21:02:49 <orudge> erm 21:02:50 <orudge> DanMacK 21:02:51 <orudge> hiding away :p 21:02:59 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 21:03:11 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 21:04:04 <DanMacK> Hey Owen, LTNS 21:04:59 <orudge> How's it going? And not lurking in #tycoon any more? 21:13:11 *** Ivan [4cb8c35f@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:13:35 <Ivan> Sup? I was looking for a bit of help with installing openttd on my linux machine running Mint 10 21:14:27 <Ivan> I'm not quite sure what to do with ./configure. 21:14:40 <Yexo> are you planning to compile your own binary? 21:14:46 <Ivan> Yes. 21:14:56 <Yexo> do you already have a source checkout? 21:14:57 <Ivan> I've got it extracted. but ./configure isn't working. 21:15:05 <Ivan> Got the source from the main website. 21:15:11 <Yexo> "isn't working" is not really helpful, what error message does it give? 21:15:22 <Ivan> It just says it's not a valid command. 21:15:35 <Yexo> is your working directory correct? 21:15:44 <Ivan> I type ./configure (dir containing openttd) 21:16:11 <Yexo> which version did you download? 21:16:20 <Ivan> The ubuntu generic i686 21:16:28 <Ivan> as I am not sure which one to dl for Mint 10 21:16:31 <Yexo> so you downloaded a binary, not a source package 21:16:45 <Ivan> Oh, that's what it was? I'm a bit new to Linux. 21:17:11 <Yexo> in the dropdown on the download page select "openttd-{version}-source" 21:17:30 <Ivan> Well would you look at that... 21:17:58 <Ivan> So, what's the difference between a binary and a source? 21:18:23 <Yexo> the source code is what you edit when you modify the program 21:18:35 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 21:18:38 <Ivan> Ah. 21:18:45 <Yexo> however since computers can't just run source code, you have to compile it into a program first 21:18:52 <Ivan> Yeah, I know that much. 21:18:52 <Yexo> the result of compilation is called a binary 21:18:56 <Ivan> I understand what the source is 21:19:02 <Ivan> I don't understand what a binary is. 21:19:03 <Ivan> Ah 21:19:07 <Ivan> so it's precompiled. 21:19:10 <Yexo> yes 21:19:35 <Ivan> So, ./configure now throws "no such directory or file" 21:20:04 <Yexo> did you extract the source package and are you in the correct directory? 21:20:10 <Ivan> Does it need to be run from within the openttd-1.1.0 dir? 21:20:14 <Yexo> yes 21:20:20 <Ivan> Ok, wasn't sure. 21:20:24 <Ivan> Yeah, it's working now. 21:20:29 <Yexo> "./configure" means "run the program called "configure" in the current directory 21:20:41 <Ivan> Ah. 21:21:44 <frosch123> read the output of configure carefully. i.e. whether it complains about missing libraries 21:21:52 <frosch123> like sdl, lzma2 and such 21:22:09 <Ivan> Says that there are no video driver development files. 21:22:28 <Yexo> you'll need to install sdl-dev or whatever it's called in mint 21:22:37 <Ivan> Which is odd that I'm missing something, because the version of openttd from the software center runs fine 21:22:54 <Yexo> you need extra packages for compiling that you don't need when just running the program 21:23:01 <Ivan> Ah. 21:23:15 <frosch123> hmm, btw. did you try the precompiled debian squeeze binary? 21:23:17 <Yexo> if you don't care about compiling you could download the "generic linux binary" and just run that 21:23:33 <Ivan> Is there any disadvantage to doing so? 21:23:41 <Yexo> no 21:23:48 <Ivan> Ok! 21:23:55 <Yexo> unless you want to start editing the source, in which case you do need to compile yourself 21:25:10 *** welshdragon [~dragon@anubis.millsie.net] has left #openttd [Leaving] 21:25:17 <Ivan> So, what would I do with the .tar I Dl'd? 21:25:31 <Yexo> extract somewhere in your home directory 21:26:11 <Ivan> Done. 21:26:17 <Yexo> after that just run "bin/openttd" or "./openttd" from within the new directory. (I'm not sure which is correct since I didn't check the format of the tar files) 21:27:17 <Alberth> 'make run' :) 21:28:45 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host86-149-29-210.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:30:43 <Ivan> Thanks, guys. 21:30:44 <Alberth> Ivan: many distros have split all packages in a part you only need to run the code (which get installed by default), and a part (with a -dev suffix in the name or so, that are not installed by default) you need when you want to compile new programs 21:30:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CC83.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:04 <Alberth> that's why you 'miss' packages 21:31:39 <Ivan> Alright, I think I understand. So dependencies for a binary =/= dependencies for compiling something from source. 21:31:48 <Yexo> correct 21:31:57 <Alberth> they do exist, they are just not installed by default, as many users don't compile themselves 21:32:32 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 21:33:06 <Ivan> So, now it says I'm missing a graphics library. Do I need to DL opengfx? 21:33:35 <Yexo> if openttd is telling you you miss a base graphics set, than yes 21:34:47 <xQR> am i missing something or is it normal that it wants such a graphics set even when compiled with enable_dedicated="1"? 21:35:23 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.80.131] has joined #openttd 21:35:24 *** welshdragon [~dragon@anubis.millsie.net] has joined #openttd 21:35:29 <Alberth> it is normal 21:35:32 <Ivan> How would you recommend I go about installing opengfx? 21:35:38 <xQR> ok 21:35:39 <Alberth> it contains more than just graphics 21:36:11 <Yexo> Ivan: download http://www.openttd.org/en/download-opengfx (the binary file) 21:36:18 <Yexo> extract in ~/.openttd/data/ 21:37:25 <LordAro> how would you run configure when you can't do './configure'? 21:38:00 <Yexo> LordAro: what are you talking about? 21:38:06 <Alberth> sh configure 21:38:12 *** andythenorth [~andy@80.229.121.87] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:39:27 <LordAro> i'm trying to run ./configure on my (slightly messed up) portable mingw and it's saying: H:\OpenTTD-Main\OpenTTD Source\trunk>./configure 21:39:27 <LordAro> '.' is not recognized as an internal or external command, 21:39:27 <LordAro> operable program or batch file. 21:39:43 <__ln__> you're doing it wrong 21:41:37 <LordAro> Alberth: that comes up with this: http://pastebin.com/Nx4gKNMF 21:42:22 <Alberth> haha! NT BASH :D 21:42:29 <xQR> mh wasn't there a more central place you could put the opengfx data? i think i did that on my server 21:42:52 <Alberth> please read the readme for such answers 21:42:55 <xQR> ah found it: /usr/share/games/openttd/data/opengfx 21:43:19 <Yexo> xQR: but that requires root privileges and I didn't want to make it anymore difficult for him 21:43:31 <LordAro> Alberth: i did wonder about that... have i downloaded the wrong win32 binary? (please note, i'm desparately trying not to do something stupid :) ) 21:43:40 <Yexo> LordAro: it looks more than "slightly" messed up 21:43:51 <xQR> you're right :) 21:44:09 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-194-87.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:44:33 <Alberth> LordAro: I stay away from all windows stuff as far as possible 21:44:58 <LordAro> good move :) 21:47:33 <planetmaker> except windows within openttd? ;-) 21:47:42 * planetmaker quickly hides 21:47:54 * LordAro presses the like button 21:48:21 <xQR> he just plays by using console commands 21:48:56 <Alberth> actually, xterm, hg, and gvim are my main play-tools :) 21:48:57 <planetmaker> xQR: you have one guess who rewrote OpenTTD's gui code ;-) 21:49:06 <xQR> haha 21:49:45 <xQR> LordAro did you check the readme? i don't see anything about "configure" when compiling under windows 21:49:54 <xQR> it refers you to read the make file 21:50:07 <xQR> and that says something like # Usage: make -f Makefile.msvc PLATFORM=[Win32|x64] 21:50:24 <LordAro> i've compiled before... 21:50:37 <Yexo> xQR: when compiling under mingw you do need ./configure 21:51:04 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:51:12 <xQR> hmkay 21:52:20 <xQR> LordAro where did you type this command? it seems like you're in a dos prompt there 21:52:34 <xQR> and not in an environment where you could execute linux shell scripts 21:52:50 <xQR> that's why it complains about the syntax - you can't run a script with ./script in a dos prompt 21:53:02 <LordAro> correct - mingw emulates unix 21:53:08 <Alberth> LordAro: does bash configure do something useful? 21:53:39 <xQR> yes but the message you got is the message i get from windows when i open a "cmd" box and type such a command there 21:53:46 <xQR> so you're not in an emulated unix there 21:54:30 <LordAro> no, i'm in a semi modified version for portable use 21:54:36 <LordAro> ...that doesn't work very well 21:55:11 <Alberth> xQR: it is always fun, new users using the hardest possible platform to compile 21:55:22 <xQR> yes, i wondered about that too 21:55:24 <planetmaker> :-D 21:55:32 <LordAro> Alberth: the same except with 21:55:32 <LordAro> bash: warning: could not find /tmp, please create! 21:55:32 <LordAro> : No such file or directory 21:55:34 <xQR> under windows i did it with visual c++ 21:55:38 <xQR> works a lot better and is easier 21:55:46 <Eddi|zuHause> @base 10 16 27 21:55:46 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 1B 21:55:48 <xQR> and in plain linux it's easy anyway 21:56:00 <LordAro> xQR: no admin access :( 21:56:07 <planetmaker> cross compiling from linux to windows is somewhat easier than setting up a native compile environment on windows 21:56:11 <xQR> mhh ok that sucks 21:56:18 <LordAro> ikr 21:56:56 <xQR> well /tmp is a system directory that is always supposed to be there 21:57:02 <xQR> if it is not, do what the message says and create it ;) 21:57:29 *** JOHNSHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-19-140.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:57:30 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: "He who controls the past commands the future, He who commands the future, conquers the past." - Kane] 22:00:34 *** LordAro|2 [~kvirc@host86-149-29-210.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:00:42 <LordAro|2> xQR: but i have no idea where, me being on my usb stick and all :) 22:00:52 *** Twerkhoven[L] [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:00:54 <LordAro|2> bastard router... 22:01:23 <xQR> directly in root 22:01:28 <xQR> top level of directories 22:01:37 <xQR> like you would have C:\tmp in windows 22:01:54 <LordAro|2> i'll give it a go... 22:01:55 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe35dc00-187.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 22:01:58 <xQR> mkdir tmp 22:03:03 <Alberth> TMPDIR If set, Bash uses its value as the name of a directory in which Bash creates temporary files for the shellâs use. <-- My man page says you can have a $TEMPDIR to point to your /tmp directory 22:03:16 <Alberth> s/TEMP/TMP/ 22:03:49 <LordAro|2> and where can i set that? 22:03:58 <Alberth> in the shell :) 22:04:13 <xQR> yeah but imho it's easier to create a directory than setting an environment variable when you're not familar with that stuff 22:04:17 <Alberth> TMPDIR="C:/tmp" 22:04:56 <Alberth> export TMPDIR (possibly not needed, but it does not hurt either) 22:05:24 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host86-149-29-210.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:47 *** LordAro|2 is now known as LordAro 22:05:51 <Alberth> xQR: except he might not be able to create the tmp dir at the default place 22:06:04 <LordAro> Alberth: 'in the shell'? 22:06:14 <xQR> that would be bad :/ 22:06:26 *** andythenorth [~andy@80.229.121.87] has joined #openttd 22:06:34 <Alberth> xQR: that's what 'no admin rights' means, isn't it? 22:06:47 <LordAro> yup... :/ 22:08:06 <Alberth> LordAro: as in start the shell, type the command 22:10:48 <LordAro> how old is bash 2.03? 22:10:50 *** PhoenixII [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:20 *** andythenorth [~andy@80.229.121.87] has left #openttd [] 22:13:11 <frosch123> at least 10 22:13:16 <Alberth> 3.2 stable released 2006-11-11 <-- from Gnu :) 22:13:27 <xQR> dunno, i thought mingw is kind of a virtual environment 22:13:38 <xQR> so its root would be in reality i a lower level of the file system 22:13:43 <xQR> on that usb stick or wherever 22:13:51 <LordAro> lol... can anybody else find a newer win32 version of bash 22:13:52 <xQR> *in 22:14:00 <frosch123> LordAro: looks like about july 1999 22:14:09 <xQR> haha nostalgia <3 22:14:37 <LordAro> xQR: mingw is really supposed to be with msys, which comes with bash etc, but a portable version of that hasn't been released :( 22:20:03 <LordAro> anyway, night all 22:22:41 <xQR> nighties 22:23:23 <Terkhen> good night 22:24:00 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:24:59 <Eddi|zuHause> small brain teaser: if an ICE passes a station at high speed, what is the formular to calculate its speed in km/h out of the time you can hear it in seconds? 22:25:11 <Eddi|zuHause> -r 22:28:14 <__ln__> isn't there one unknown too many? 22:28:26 <xQR> length of the train ^^ 22:28:29 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:41 <xQR> that's like "i got X, tell me what's Y?" 22:28:43 <xQR> :P 22:29:16 <planetmaker> g'night 22:29:39 <xQR> well if the train is one kilometre long and it needs an hour to pass you know it was running 1 km/h :) 22:29:50 <xQR> n8 planetmaker 22:30:16 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe5fc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:48 <supermop> i wonder if they are still leasing capsules in nakagin, or if the co-op that owns it is discouraging further investment, 22:32:03 <supermop> so they can tear it down to build a new tower on the site 22:32:36 <supermop> actually i'd prefer to just buy a berth on one of the towers and supply a new capsule 22:35:03 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: assume an ideal ICE that is spherical and has radius 0 :) 22:35:58 * Eddi|zuHause feels like i just said: "i have an idea, but we need spherical chickens" 22:36:41 <supermop> how many first class seats on that 0-radius spherical ice? 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