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00:00:07 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.174.227] has joined #openttd 00:00:39 <pikka> blehh moin 00:01:16 <pikka> another day another potato 00:08:12 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-30-174.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:10:36 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 00:36:07 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 01:03:32 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:18 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:19:34 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.174.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:25:57 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p5495961D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:35:28 *** Markavian [~Markavian@66.100-50-210.dynamic.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:38:11 *** Mazur [~mazur@53550C29.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:57:18 *** Mazur [~mazur@53550C29.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 02:01:20 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:52 *** Mazur [~mazur@53550C29.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:25:37 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-109-252-107.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:28:02 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:42:57 *** Mazur [~mazur@53550C29.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 02:51:58 *** g3d [~pav@c-24-4-33-58.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:55:18 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@bas8-london14-1279731927.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 03:05:21 *** jmsfnch [~james.fin@194.72.149.3] has joined #openttd 03:06:28 *** jmsfnch [~james.fin@194.72.149.3] has left #openttd [] 03:15:09 <g3d> hi, I'm trying to debug problems with saving preferences. I'm on Linux. No preferences are saved when I exit openttd. I see in strace that it opens /usr/share/openttd/openttd.cfg, does it mean it will use it for saving prefs as well? How can I force it to use my home directory? 03:26:25 *** Mazur [~mazur@53550C29.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:29:07 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@bas8-london14-1279731927.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [] 03:34:08 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.174.227] has joined #openttd 03:40:09 <glx> g3d: the search order for openttd.cfg is explained in readme.txt 03:40:53 <glx> but just touch .openttd/openttd.cfg and it should be ok 03:43:21 <glx> well ~/.openttd/openttd.cfg :) 03:44:02 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ecb8:6da1:946b:1127] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:02:00 *** g3d [~pav@c-24-4-33-58.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:13:19 *** Mazur [~mazur@53550C29.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 04:23:46 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe35dc00-187.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 04:27:13 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 04:48:59 <Terkhen> good morning 04:55:23 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77032.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76F84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:59:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.181.171] has joined #openttd 05:01:31 *** sla_ro|vista [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 05:03:28 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:33:34 *** ar3k [~ident@ecz94.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:33:48 *** ar3k [~ident@ecz94.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 05:33:50 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 05:44:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.181.171] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:45:28 *** LordAro [5689be24@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:45:39 *** LordAro [5689be24@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [] 06:01:30 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.174.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:12:47 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e061cc4.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:14:17 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 06:18:07 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 06:39:09 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 06:42:01 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-58-51.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:48:13 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-137-190-36.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 06:49:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D48D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:50:57 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:51:49 <LordAro> moin all 06:51:51 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:53:46 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:06:14 *** Markavian [~Markavian@66.100-50-210.dynamic.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:06:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D48D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:08:19 <dihedral> morning 07:15:57 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:17:24 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 07:21:23 *** TWerkhoven [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 07:50:40 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 07:54:03 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 07:54:48 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.174.227] has joined #openttd 07:56:29 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:58:17 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:01:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.181.171] has joined #openttd 08:02:20 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p54959016.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:07:24 *** Markavian [~Markavian@66.100-50-210.dynamic.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:11:05 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.174.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:11:22 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.174.227] has joined #openttd 08:11:47 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-137-190-36.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:23:30 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.174.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:28:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:29:00 <andythenorth> mornings 08:29:57 <andythenorth> do I need to handle regearing cargo explicitly in FIRS? 08:30:07 <andythenorth> it's over-writing my cargo in slot 1E currently 08:52:07 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 08:57:44 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.174.227] has joined #openttd 08:59:05 *** DDR_ [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 09:03:24 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:03:31 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 09:07:04 *** Markavian [~Markavian@66.100-50-210.dynamic.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:07:14 <planetmaker> andythenorth, you do need to handle it, yes 09:07:31 <planetmaker> as in: don't use that slot, if the regearing cargo is or will be defined by NARS 09:08:01 <planetmaker> moin alos :-) 09:20:04 <andythenorth> ok 09:20:09 <andythenorth> I guess I have to figure that out 09:20:17 <andythenorth> I only need to provide GEAR if NARS 2 is present 09:20:22 <andythenorth> otherwise it should be undefined 09:20:43 <andythenorth> for a vehicle grf I'd just use a CTT, but that's not the method here... 09:24:19 <planetmaker> I guess I never defined a cargo, such I'm not of much help currently 09:26:02 <andythenorth> probably just define it, with action 6 / 7 / 9 or something 09:31:13 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 09:31:46 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-86-17.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 09:35:10 *** Markavian [~Markavian@66.100-50-210.dynamic.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:42:30 *** ZirconiumX [561b9caa@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:43:13 <ZirconiumX> hello all 09:43:40 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.174.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:43:53 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.174.227] has joined #openttd 09:46:58 *** ZirconiumX [561b9caa@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [] 09:55:21 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:00:30 <andythenorth> pikka: hi 10:01:30 <andythenorth> not sure how to handle regearing in FIRS 10:01:39 <andythenorth> currently GEAR is occupying 1E 10:01:44 <andythenorth> I could do with it in 1F 10:01:52 <andythenorth> I should define it explicitly in FIRS? 10:12:21 *** zachanim1 [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 10:12:22 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:25:58 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 10:36:12 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.174.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:39:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:41:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:41:52 <Yexo> andythenorth: that will only work if FIRS is loaded _after_ NARS 10:42:04 <Yexo> otherwise nars will overwrite the cargo definition in 1E 10:43:16 <andythenorth> ...because NARS defines that cargo itself? 10:43:24 <andythenorth> whereas most vehicle sets don't define cargos... 10:43:38 <Yexo> <andythenorth> ...because NARS defines that cargo itself? <- I didn't check that, but I always assumed so 10:43:41 <andythenorth> I can move my cargo to 1F and work on the basis that 1E has to be left free 10:43:46 <andythenorth> is one solution 10:43:49 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5D97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:44:09 <Yexo> or you and pikka could both start using GRM and let that pick the correct slot 10:44:20 <andythenorth> tru 10:44:38 <andythenorth> that doesn't cater for old versions of NARS 2 I guess 10:44:56 <andythenorth> hmm 10:44:58 <Ammler> would not matter, if pikka fixes his nars too 10:45:18 * andythenorth would happily let 'someone else' make that decision 10:45:23 <andythenorth> @seen someoneelse 10:45:23 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: I have not seen someoneelse. 10:45:44 <Ammler> making decisions is easy 10:59:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host41-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:59:41 <Wolf01> hello 11:07:14 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 11:10:22 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.235.228] has joined #openttd 11:22:31 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B73C2.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.181.171] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29:47 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:30:19 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:44:45 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host86-137-190-36.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:48:10 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host86-137-190-36.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:30 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host86-137-190-36.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:58:39 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ac29:6057:bf8:7dfb] has joined #openttd 11:58:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:00:51 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-86-17.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [] 12:05:48 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.153.211.108] has joined #openttd 12:20:39 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 12:22:25 *** sla_ro|vista [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:28:56 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p54959016.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:34:58 *** pikka [~yaaic@d58-111-77-124.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:36:44 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:37:39 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has joined #openttd 12:51:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D48D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:53:16 <Belugas> hello 13:04:00 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 13:19:27 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:31:48 *** norbert791 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 13:32:00 *** norbert791 is now known as norbert79 13:32:23 <norbert79> Good afternoon 13:36:00 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 13:57:01 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:03:07 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 14:07:46 <Eddi|zuHause> www.eisenbahnstiftung.de/bg/pics/3471.jpg <-- weird. an "electrified" turntable... 14:08:52 <SmatZ> :) 14:09:10 *** pikka [~yaaic@d58-111-77-124.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:11 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 14:19:47 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED662EB.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:42 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 14:33:11 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host86-137-190-36.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:30 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host81-154-219-208.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:35:11 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 14:35:23 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has left #openttd [] 14:36:05 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43:45 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host81-154-219-208.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:44:11 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-130.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:47:06 <supermop> good morning 14:47:14 <SmatZ> hello 14:49:05 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:50:02 *** Belugas [belugas@204.101.218.194] has joined #openttd 14:50:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:54:14 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:55:25 *** BelugasPasLA [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd 14:56:49 *** Belugas is now known as Guest2540 14:56:49 *** BelugasPasLA is now known as Belugas 14:56:51 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5D97.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:09 *** Guest2540 [belugas@204.101.218.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:26 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC20C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:00:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r22348 /trunk/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: split ship-specific part of yapf_node.hpp to yapf_node_ship.hpp 15:00:55 <Eddi|zuHause> oha. 15:01:28 <__ln__> eeeenglish onlyyy 15:03:35 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f40a7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:04:34 <yorick_> __ln__ hasn't changed a bit, hasn't he 15:05:05 <SmatZ> nope 15:05:08 <yorick_> has* 15:10:43 *** yorick_ is now known as yorick 15:14:54 <__ln__> if i did, how would you know it's really me 15:16:02 <Eddi|zuHause> how do we know now that you are really you? 15:16:21 <andythenorth> it's the same broom 15:16:29 <andythenorth> but the handle has been changed seven times 15:16:33 <Eddi|zuHause> after all, you are obviously not ln- 15:16:36 <andythenorth> and the bristles have been changed three times 15:17:06 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:17:08 *** Belugas [belugas@204.101.218.194] has joined #openttd 15:17:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 15:17:23 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i think MB is going to flip over your cargo schemes in the near future :p 15:17:43 <andythenorth> great 15:17:53 <andythenorth> is this all in some german forum somewhere? 15:18:09 <Eddi|zuHause> of course :p 15:18:17 <andythenorth> I've been talking to him on forum pm, he was making quite reasonable suggestions to me 15:20:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:20:46 <Eddi|zuHause> his latest rant here http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/showthread.php?tid=5270&pid=73255#pid73255 is about the "recycables" cargo being essentially a duplicate of "garbage" with new label, the cargo class of scrap metal (his opinion: shreddered metal is "bulk"), and the reintroduction of "BEER" 15:21:04 <SmatZ> BEER! 15:23:58 <andythenorth> I told him that BEER was by popular demand :) 15:24:05 <andythenorth> he thought maybe it should be Food (Beer) 15:24:33 <Eddi|zuHause> but your "Alcohol" has TE_GOODS, right? 15:26:04 <andythenorth> dunno :) 15:27:04 <andythenorth> recyclables is garbage with new label 15:27:12 <andythenorth> but labels are quite cheap 15:28:23 * andythenorth is a big fan of cargo label scheme 15:28:32 * andythenorth is less a fan of one person controlling it 15:28:46 * andythenorth likes the idea of a cb for cargos to determine refit... 15:31:09 <Eddi|zuHause> the cargo classes were supposed to do that... 15:32:29 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: MB had "BEER" in his first newindustries grf, but he and george decided to drop the cargo in favour of "Food (Beer)" subcargo for ECS 15:32:40 <andythenorth> subcargos are all wrong 15:35:22 <andythenorth> subcargos are a huge mistake 15:35:41 <supermop> what are subcargos 15:35:42 <andythenorth> they look like a clever hack for 'reality' 15:35:45 <supermop> never played ecs 15:35:49 <andythenorth> but they impair gameplay immensely 15:35:54 <andythenorth> Food (beer) is a subcargo 15:36:00 <andythenorth> Goods (cars) is a subcargo 15:36:18 <andythenorth> Metal (steel) is a subcargo 15:36:36 <andythenorth> it looks like a clever way to pack a lot more cargos into a 32 cargo limit 15:36:53 <andythenorth> but is stupid :) 15:38:15 <Eddi|zuHause> Passengers (Workers) 15:38:15 <Mazur> Hm, I've found a bug, and it's visible in PS: a combi signal before two exit signals takes a few seconds to clear, when one of the exits clears. 15:38:36 <Mazur> Just FYI. 15:39:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Mazur: savegame or it didn't happen! 15:43:15 <Mazur> Oh, it happened, 11 seconds. 15:43:17 <Mazur> :-) 15:43:25 <Mazur> Flyspray. 15:43:37 <Mazur> In half an hour, or something. 15:47:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.181.171] has joined #openttd 15:51:22 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 15:52:43 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-58-51.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 15:53:36 *** TWerkhoven [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:01:28 <Belugas> mmh... smells like food 16:01:38 <Belugas> obvioulsy! 16:01:42 <Belugas> it's lunch time!!! 16:06:48 <Mazur> Ah, found an answer: the exit line of the station was lacking signals, say for 64 tiles. 16:07:29 <Mazur> I'm guessing it takes time to check all those tiles, along with all other stuff going on. 16:09:01 <Mazur> No, it's the just time it takes for the train to free/leave the exit line. 16:09:13 <Mazur> *duh* 16:09:29 <Eddi|zuHause> that's about what i was expecting... 16:12:29 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B73C2.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:17:05 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:09 * Mazur too. 16:20:30 <Mazur> But I did not see it sooner. 16:23:41 *** mermi [7da3230e@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:24:41 *** mermi [7da3230e@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [] 16:25:09 *** amkoroew1 [~Heinz@p5B102EDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:26:57 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 16:29:40 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B107588.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:31:50 *** Mazur [~mazur@53550C29.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:58 *** Mazur [~mazur@53550C29.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:33:21 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6E0D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:33:57 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:41:48 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 16:44:48 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC20C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 16:53:44 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2b25.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:03:51 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-231-211.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:04:19 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:47 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-58-51.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:10:35 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-231-211.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0/20110318052756]] 17:11:01 *** Belugas [belugas@204.101.218.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:11:26 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd 17:11:29 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 17:11:45 <Belugas> freaking network 17:13:38 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-58-51.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.169.88] has joined #openttd 17:20:51 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-012-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:26 *** st6 [~srissa@cs.joensuu.fi] has quit [Quit: :] 17:25:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.181.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:30:31 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:31:28 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-130.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:31:47 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:37:27 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-130.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:39:11 *** Lokimaros [~mazur@53550C29.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:42:28 <Eddi|zuHause> neaking fretwork... 17:43:25 *** Mazur is now known as Guest2557 17:43:25 *** Lokimaros is now known as Mazur 17:44:37 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:45:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r22349 /trunk/src/lang/ (belarusian.txt russian.txt vietnamese.txt): 17:45:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belarusian - 1 changes by KorneySan 17:45:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 1 changes by KorneySan 17:45:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: slovenian - 32 changes by 17:45:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: vietnamese - 1 changes by nglekhoi 17:46:20 *** Guest2557 [~mazur@53550C29.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:42 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6E0D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:59:02 *** anythingffs [~Miranda@5ad96a30.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:59:08 *** anythingffs is now known as default 17:59:14 *** default is now known as andyalba 18:00:05 <andyalba> guys, i have a simple x cross over track, how do i stop trains from moving past the first is there isnt a clear track ahead? 18:00:48 <Eddi|zuHause> andyalba: use path signals instead 18:02:05 <Eddi|zuHause> andyalba: like this: http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/attachment.php?aid=3680 18:04:48 *** NOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-58-51.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:04:57 <andyalba> mmm, sorry i dont think i explained it very well, just to make sure.... i have two tracks running next to each other that then hit a signal and then the two tracks merge with two signals after the merge 18:05:34 <Eddi|zuHause> andyalba: same concept. 18:05:51 <andyalba> ah cool, ill need to test it out 18:05:52 <andyalba> thanks 18:07:34 <andyalba> actually on a quick side note, is there a main log where I can see the latest events instead of the popups down the bottom? 18:08:39 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, click and hold the newspaper icon at the top 18:10:50 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:38 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-58-51.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:13:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r22350 /trunk/src/pathfinder/yapf/ (yapf_node_rail.hpp yapf_node_road.hpp yapf_node_ship.hpp): -Change: make YAPF hash tables much smaller, it should improve performance significantly (about 15%) 18:18:39 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2b25.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18:57 <Eddi|zuHause> www.eisenbahnstiftung.de/bg/pics/3334.jpg <-- that doesn't look particularly safe... 18:20:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r22351 /trunk/src/misc/hashtable.hpp: -Revert (r17101): and reinstall r16546. Hash tables are much smaller now, so it shouldn't cause crash anymore 18:21:07 <Eddi|zuHause> @commit 17101 18:21:09 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Commit by smatz :: r17101 trunk/src/misc/hashtable.hpp (2009-08-07 13:33:55 UTC) 18:21:10 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: -Revert [FS#3065](r16546): large table on stack caused stack overflow on some architectures 18:21:27 <Eddi|zuHause> @commit 16546 18:21:27 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Commit by smatz :: r16546 trunk/src/misc/hashtable.hpp (2009-06-09 23:22:37 UTC) 18:21:28 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: -Codechange: use array member instead of allocating in costructor and freeing in desctructor 18:22:29 <andyalba> thanks Eddi 18:22:48 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 18:24:37 <andythenorth> eveninkhs 18:25:40 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:38 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:26:42 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:28:33 <Hirundo> 15% performance improvement in YAPF or 15% in total? 18:28:50 <SmatZ> 15% in total 18:28:56 <SmatZ> of some games I tested :P 18:29:09 <Hirundo> nice 18:29:36 <Terkhen> anything that makes ships a bit faster is very welcome :) 18:30:22 <Alberth> aka an algorithm that can handle large seas of equal values :) 18:30:46 <yorick> someone made a region based yapf once 18:31:10 <Terkhen> sometimes (when I was bored at class mostly) I thought about a better algorithm for ships and failed 18:31:21 <andythenorth> marked routes... 18:31:38 <Terkhen> that can't handle changes in the map 18:31:43 <andythenorth> true 18:31:47 <yorick> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=613485#p613485 18:31:48 <andythenorth> negating some of the benefits 18:31:52 <Eddi|zuHause> the only sensible solution i can make up is pre-calculating the routes between buoys 18:32:14 <andythenorth> can we build a graph? 18:32:23 <Eddi|zuHause> possibly invalidating them on landscape actions 18:32:25 <yorick> hierarchical pathfinding anyone? 18:32:39 <andythenorth> ship pathfinding is just-in-time? 18:32:49 <andythenorth> i.e. it only looks ahead one tile? 18:33:21 <Eddi|zuHause> a found path must be recalculated at any crossing. and for ships, each tile is a crossing 18:33:48 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 18:34:48 <peter1138> you could cache the path, but... 18:34:51 <peter1138> we don't 18:36:06 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the cache would also have to be invalidated on any landscaping actions 18:36:12 <Terkhen> hmm... probably checking to see if the path has changed is quite faster than recalculating it everytime 18:36:43 <Terkhen> so I think that is a good idea 18:36:46 <Alberth> it would be bad if that was not the case :) 18:37:46 <peter1138> not any 18:38:18 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: landscaping can both destroy an existing path, as well as create new opportunities 18:38:25 <peter1138> you only need to recalculate the path would take you off water... 18:38:53 <peter1138> (i'm ignoring network game stuff here :p) 18:40:00 *** Xaroth__ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:16 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 18:41:04 <Eddi|zuHause> in the ideal case, the pathfinder would intelligently switch between a "river mode" (more like YAPF) and a "sea mode" (more like OPF) 18:41:38 <peter1138> does a canal count as lots of junctions? 18:41:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a feeling that OPF is very stupid wrt diagonal ship routes... 18:42:13 <Eddi|zuHause> at least my ships didn't go anything remotely resembling a straight line... 18:42:58 <andythenorth> mine sometimes go parallel to grid instead of diagonal 18:43:02 <Terkhen> ^ 18:43:04 <andythenorth> probably accidental though? 18:44:00 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 18:44:56 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: i was under the impression, the track bits were dynamically calculated by the adjacent water tiles, so a simple canal should be treated as straight track. i have no clue about the internals though 18:47:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r22352 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt table/settings.ini): -Change: make YAPF the default pathfinder for ships, don't discourage players from using it 18:50:04 <andythenorth> :o 18:50:12 <andythenorth> did something change in YAPF? 18:50:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r22353 /trunk/src/lang/ (52 files in 2 dirs): -Cleanup (r22352): remove unused strings from all language files 18:50:40 <SmatZ> it should be faster now 18:50:51 <andythenorth> I'll try it in my game 18:50:54 <andythenorth> 80% water 18:50:55 <SmatZ> good :) 18:51:06 <SmatZ> a lot of ships? 18:51:15 <__ln__> 80% water, 20% alcohol? 18:51:20 <andythenorth> ;) I'm making a ship set yes / no? 18:51:21 <SmatZ> :) 18:51:37 <andythenorth> last time I tried YAPF for ships was about 3 years ago 18:51:42 <andythenorth> it DOSed my game 18:51:58 <SmatZ> :x 18:52:21 <Eddi|zuHause> it nags you about putting buoys now, so it shouldn't be as bad as back then anyway 18:52:29 <SmatZ> yup 18:52:36 <andythenorth> I had maybe 300 ships, travelling maybe 100 tile routes, no bouys 18:53:59 <andythenorth> I need ground tile suggestions for a farm station 18:54:03 <andythenorth> currently I have 'mud' 18:54:04 <andythenorth> which is ok 18:54:13 <andythenorth> but is there something better? 18:55:24 <Alberth> a farmer would just throw old bricks/stones next to the rail tracks 18:55:37 <Alberth> or concrete plates perhaps 18:56:35 <Alberth> gates to 'store' the cattle 18:59:12 <andythenorth> I wanted to just use the current ground tile 18:59:20 <andythenorth> but there's no easy way to do that 19:00:32 <Eddi|zuHause> there's especially no "mud with snow" graphics 19:02:20 <andythenorth> that is a fair point ;) 19:02:34 <andythenorth> you can sweep mud? :P 19:02:41 <andythenorth> to clear snow? 19:03:21 <Eddi|zuHause> the mud will likely freeze, but it won't have a clean surface... 19:04:23 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.235.228] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:12 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.235.228] has joined #openttd 19:05:12 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 19:12:34 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 19:15:36 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95.25.91.27] has joined #openttd 19:16:07 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.235.228] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:56 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.235.228] has joined #openttd 19:18:40 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p54959016.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:19:37 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.235.228] has quit [] 19:27:10 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s53757898.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:29:07 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s53757898.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 19:29:30 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s53757898.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:31:50 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s53757898.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 19:32:33 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s53757898.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:02:37 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02:46 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd 20:02:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 20:04:54 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC20C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:05:32 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-58-51.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:12:21 *** NOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-58-51.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:14 <SmatZ> I just heard few secons from a song by Justin Bieber 20:18:22 <SmatZ> hope he gets into puberty soon 20:18:33 <SmatZ> so he loses his youngish voice :x 20:21:39 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 20:22:07 <Eddi|zuHause> strangely, i have never heard a song from him in any radio station 20:22:10 <Belugas> i've NEVER heard that guy 20:22:18 <Eddi|zuHause> yet there's such a big fuss about him 20:22:20 <Belugas> not that i feel a need... 20:22:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't get it. 20:22:47 <Belugas> he's young. he has a cute face. 20:23:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but i don't hear his face in the radio either... 20:23:04 <Belugas> look like the New Kids On The Block... 20:23:12 <Belugas> ho.. well.. it's fame... 20:23:31 <Belugas> picture is now more important than the sound 20:23:32 <Eddi|zuHause> every decade has his own "cute young boy"-star 20:23:35 <SmatZ> I noticed a lot of fuss about him... so I was wondering 20:23:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i noticed a lot of fuss, so i stayed away... 20:23:57 <SmatZ> but I don't know anyone who knows his songs 20:24:00 <Belugas> David Bowie had a lot more fuss 20:24:09 <SmatZ> maybe because I don't know any 11-years old girl... 20:24:16 <Belugas> hoho... as did Jimmy hendrix, but it was not the same fuzz :D 20:24:20 <SmatZ> :) 20:26:00 <andythenorth> grr 20:26:11 <andythenorth> FIRS + NARS 2 is kicking my ass :( 20:26:17 <andythenorth> where's my easy money maker? 20:26:40 <SmatZ> ctrl+alt+c 20:27:26 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 20:29:16 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s53757898.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:29:30 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s53757898.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:30:34 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: a plane 2048 tiles diagonal 20:30:43 <andythenorth> in 1893 :P 20:30:51 <andythenorth> on a 256 x 256 map :D 20:30:57 <Eddi|zuHause> a zeppelin ;) 20:31:09 <SmatZ> :) 20:31:33 <andythenorth> I could...cheat 20:33:52 <andythenorth> who extended which windows I can clone vehicles from ? 20:33:57 <andythenorth> they deserve a prize 20:34:21 * SmatZ raises hand 20:35:03 <andythenorth> prize on way 20:35:05 <andythenorth> it's invisible 20:35:12 <andythenorth> let me know when you find it ;) 20:35:21 <SmatZ> :-) 20:35:25 * SmatZ found a beer 20:35:27 <SmatZ> YAY! 20:35:38 <andythenorth> you win 20:35:40 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:35:40 <SmatZ> :) 20:36:00 <andythenorth> are you sure it's not Food (Beer) 20:36:01 <andythenorth> ? 20:36:11 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36:43 <SmatZ> no 20:36:47 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.80.131] has joined #openttd 20:37:16 <SmatZ> :) 20:39:35 <andythenorth> it's annoying when town growth causes population to fall :\ 20:40:58 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:41:41 <SmatZ> Deutsche Demokratische Republik ? 20:42:56 <Eddi|zuHause> :p 20:48:31 * andythenorth votes for nap time 20:48:33 <andythenorth> good night 20:48:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 20:56:10 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecz94.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 20:57:11 *** Twerkhoven[L] [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:07:52 *** ar3k [~ident@ecz94.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 21:07:53 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 21:10:06 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by me] 21:12:53 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:20:18 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e061cc4.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:26:27 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecz94.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:49 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:28:08 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe35dc00-187.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:28:15 *** ar3k [~ident@ebp92.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 21:28:17 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 21:32:20 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f40a7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:28 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-130.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:48:33 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s53757898.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:40 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-012-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 21:50:10 <Terkhen> good night 21:56:25 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:46 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 22:14:32 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.fotos-reiseberichte.de/innerdeutsche-grenze/autobahn-hof-plauen-bei-pirk-01-38a.htm <-- ah... i searched for an image like this years ago... 22:15:51 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:54 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.fotos-reiseberichte.de/innerdeutsche-grenze/autobahnbruecke-bei-pirk-01-36a.htm <-- a little more panorama 22:17:24 <Eddi|zuHause> construction started 1938, finished: 1993 22:18:19 <Eddi|zuHause> between 1940 and 1991 construction stopped for over 50 years 22:19:55 <__ln__> interesting 22:20:23 <Eddi|zuHause> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Elstertalbruecke.jpg <-- what the bridge looks like today 22:22:07 *** Twerkhoven[L] [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 22:22:22 <__ln__> germans like long, tall bridges 22:23:45 <Eddi|zuHause> during initial pre-war autobahn planning, long bridges were actually quite rare 22:25:16 <supermop> why masonry instead of poured concrete? 22:25:35 <supermop> even in 38 that sems like an odd choice for something that tall 22:26:54 *** TWerkhoven [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 22:32:12 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not masonry, it's granite (with a concrete core) 22:32:57 <Eddi|zuHause> (or am i understanding "masonry" wrong?) 22:36:01 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B73C2.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:36:15 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B73C2.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:36:23 <Eddi|zuHause> oh: and after the construction restarted in 1991, the bows weren't actually used to support the roads, instead, the pillars were extended with concrete, the bows are only optical in that sense 22:40:09 <Eddi|zuHause> the wiki page also says building a new bridge would (probably) have been cheaper 22:41:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.169.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:46:16 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a crazy bridge: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Chemnitz-Bahrebachmuehlenvidukt-2010.jpg&filetimestamp=20101031194334 22:46:52 <Eddi|zuHause> the autobahn was to be extended to 3 lanes per direction, but that wouldn't fit through the bows. so they removed the lower parts 22:50:18 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:58:38 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC20C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 23:02:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D48D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:50:02 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:50:35 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 23:57:12 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]