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Each of those should load and unload goods, exchanging them. I want to have full load oat both goods loading sites. To equalize the amounts of goods in both pickup stations, I am using a network with primary industries where trains load at primary, go drop cargo to first factory, then they load again and unload at the second one, therefore in the long run they deliver the same amount of 07:21:46 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:22:16 <V453000> (the two goods pickup stations have equal ratings and factories also say equal % of transported. Will then both factories produce exactly the same amount of goods in the long run? 07:22:54 *** ar3k [~ident@ecd224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:23:46 <planetmaker> No. As the production changes on the primary industries are random 07:23:56 <V453000> ? 07:24:05 <V453000> primaries deliver to both factories equally 07:24:06 <planetmaker> On average they'll be equal. But in any particular game, they might diverge 07:24:21 <planetmaker> V453000: yes, but you'll have to tune that on every production change then 07:24:45 <V453000> why? when trains go to drop 1 first, then to the other one, they just deliver the same amount 07:24:45 <planetmaker> production depends on input for a factory 07:24:58 <Mazur> planetmaker, statistically it will average out in the lnog run, though. 07:25:01 <planetmaker> oh, you mean they serve both? 07:25:08 <planetmaker> the primary ones? 07:25:12 <Mazur> yes, alternately. 07:25:14 <planetmaker> A-B-A-C? 07:25:16 <planetmaker> ok 07:25:17 <V453000> yes 07:25:19 <Mazur> Indeed. 07:25:19 <planetmaker> then it *should* 07:25:37 <planetmaker> and afaik 07:25:39 <V453000> I think so, too :) but I dont know much about those ratings and stuff 07:26:46 <Mazur> Well, I know about statistics, and they will approach equality. 07:27:21 <Alberth> then you also know about assumptions there, and I am not convinced those hold in OpenTTD :) 07:27:38 <V453000> :D 07:27:52 <Alberth> mornink all btw 07:27:59 <planetmaker> moin :-) 07:28:18 <V453000> hi :) 07:28:27 <planetmaker> but statistics are... indeed "just" statistics 07:29:04 <Alberth> simplest way is just to try it :) 07:29:16 <V453000> I am :p 07:29:22 <V453000> well, rather "we are" :) 07:32:23 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 07:34:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 07:43:02 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-168.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 07:49:07 *** NOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-168.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:02:02 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-168.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:08:43 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:15:17 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-168.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 08:16:48 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:25:57 *** egladil [~egladil@dhcp-073202.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined #openttd 08:50:39 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:53:13 <dihedral> good morning 08:54:06 <Terkhen> hi dihedral 08:54:20 <planetmaker> hi dih 08:54:29 <planetmaker> or should I say Heidi? ;-) 08:54:45 <planetmaker> (sorry, it's too tempting ;-) ) 08:57:59 <dihedral> :-P 08:57:59 <dihedral> lol 09:05:30 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 09:22:03 *** DDR [~DDR@d99-199-10-67.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:24:17 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host249-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:24:59 <Wolf01> hello 09:27:09 <yorick> hello 09:29:06 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 09:32:06 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-168.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 09:37:07 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-168.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:37:10 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:38:45 *** egladil [~egladil@dhcp-073202.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:42:38 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 09:48:11 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4163.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 09:56:52 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@99-73-209-18.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 09:56:52 *** Maarten_ [~dutchusa@99-73-209-18.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:34 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:14:31 *** TB [~patric@145.118.74.245] has joined #openttd 10:15:23 *** TinoDid|znc [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 10:15:58 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.74.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:17:37 *** TB is now known as TrueBrain 10:18:30 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:18:31 *** TinoDid|znc is now known as TinoDidriksen 10:24:09 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-168.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:50:02 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.231.157] has joined #openttd 11:00:52 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 11:11:29 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 11:19:13 *** egladil [~egladil@dhcp-073141.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined #openttd 11:26:46 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:27:43 <yorick> is there a RoadTypesToRoadType function? 11:27:55 <yorick> (or an easy way to get the RoadType of a road depot?) 11:32:53 <planetmaker> grep -Ri "RoadTypesToRoadType" src/* 11:33:01 <planetmaker> easy, right? 11:35:02 <Terkhen> if you don't find it I suggest checking the header where RoadTypes and RoadType are defined, but it is highly likely that such a function exists 11:35:15 <planetmaker> my grep expression WILL find it ;-) 11:35:43 <planetmaker> (if called in the main dir of the checkout) 11:35:59 <Terkhen> not if it has a different name, although that's probably the right name 11:36:09 <planetmaker> well. I did execute it ;-) 11:36:41 <planetmaker> as such I wonder why he asks, if he already knows the name, instead of then searching for it himself 11:37:07 <Terkhen> oh, sorry :P 11:47:32 <yorick> planetmaker: except for the part where it isn't there 11:51:43 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 11:56:07 <yorick> inline RoadType RoadTypesToRoadType(const RoadTypes rts) { uint32 result; asm("bsr %1, %0" : "=r"(result) : "r"(rts)); return result; } might work 11:56:42 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:01:42 <Terkhen> looks confusing, you should look at RoadTypeToRoadTypes and invert what it does 12:02:40 <planetmaker> don't use assembler 12:03:42 *** egladil [~egladil@dhcp-073141.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:04:29 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 12:06:55 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:78e1:78f5:2900:7e37] has joined #openttd 12:06:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:08:32 <yorick> RoadTypeToRoadTypes does return (RoadTypes)(1 << rt); 12:10:54 <yorick> would FindFirstBit(rts) work? 12:17:03 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:23:14 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc3ba6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:41:39 *** egladil [~egladil@2.65.176.83] has joined #openttd 12:53:27 *** amkoroew1 [~Heinz@p5B10646B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:58:38 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B106305.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02:58 <Belugas> hello 13:05:17 *** egladil [~egladil@2.65.176.83] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12:32 <__ln__> 2.65. ... 13:17:51 <Alberth> only 1.55 off 13:33:49 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:41:41 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:50:52 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:11 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 13:55:18 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:02:47 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 14:23:37 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:26:26 <yorick> are there no tram-only level crossings? 14:26:47 <Eddi|zuHause> no 14:27:15 <Eddi|zuHause> for some very obscure reasons that i don't remember 14:27:20 <Eddi|zuHause> something to do with missing sprites 14:27:27 <yorick> that's evil 14:30:59 <planetmaker> missing sprites could be helped 14:32:03 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34:27 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.222.147] has joined #openttd 14:37:28 <Ammler> are there rail-tram crossing in rl? 14:37:42 <__ln__> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-CA/windows7/products/compare/pc-vs-mac/do-the-math 14:39:11 <Ammler> can you buy a macbook without osx? 14:39:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: i know a few tram-rail crossing, but all of them including road 14:40:29 <yorick> __ln__: :o 14:40:38 <Alberth> __ln__: we need such a site for MS vs Linux :) 14:41:40 <aber> hmm, but Linux is more expensive... 14:42:17 <Alberth> is it? MS is paying to use windows nowadays? 14:42:31 <Eddi|zuHause> linux has many hidden (as in not easily measurable) time costs 14:42:31 <Ammler> Alberth: just cut 50$ from those MS pcs 14:43:07 <aber> no, the companies usually get something to put windows on every machine... 14:43:10 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: indeed, you need half an our for setup complete linux, half a day for complete windows 14:43:16 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: like windows is a marvel of speed :) 14:43:23 <Ammler> an hour* 14:44:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: and have you counted the long hours of discussion which distribution you should get? 14:44:20 <aber> And what about selecting the correct window manager... 14:44:27 <Ammler> and you need another half a day to remove all teh oem rubbish from a windows pc :-) 14:44:33 <Eddi|zuHause> or the hours of learning how to use a console (which you arguably do more often in linux than in windows) 14:44:33 <Alberth> anybody that does not know just picks a big distribution 14:45:12 <aber> The bigger the better? Just use windows... 14:45:16 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: using console is just speed up, a windows like user doesn't need console 14:45:36 <Alberth> aber: how is that a disadvantage compared to having no choice at all ? your problem is easily fixed by picking just one 14:46:16 <Ammler> I guess, you are even faster to install linux and to cleanup a bought windows pc 14:46:25 <Ammler> as* 14:48:24 <Eddi|zuHause> and did you count 18 hours of downloading a linux DVD? 14:48:57 <Ammler> lol, poor dialup user :-P 14:49:24 <peter1138> i've never used a linux dvd 14:49:34 <peter1138> only debian netinsts 14:49:43 <peter1138> and i have done it over dialup :) 14:49:53 * Terkhen also uses netinsts 14:50:17 <Eddi|zuHause> netinst is ok, if you have a spare PC to use in the meantime 14:50:50 <aber> Or if you have Gigabit Internet... 14:51:16 <Terkhen> patience works too 14:51:53 <Eddi|zuHause> if you accept your withdrawal symptoms :p 14:52:37 <Terkhen> you could always leave it downloading all night, but even when I had my crappy connection it did not take more than three hours to download and install arch with gnome 14:52:40 <TWerkhoven> or get it all started before bedtime and let it run overnight (or overday if your a nightperson) 14:53:40 <__ln__> TWerkhoven: *you're 14:53:59 <peter1138> netinst doesn't take very long 14:55:35 <Ammler> depends quite much, what you install... 14:56:43 * yorick prefers usb-install 14:57:15 <Ammler> usb? that is just another media 14:58:21 <peter1138> i just do base installs. i can use the system while other stuff is installing later 14:58:27 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-204-221.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:03:22 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-159-100.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06:08 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc3ba6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:07:41 <Ammler> true 15:22:24 *** Doorslammer [770b15cb@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:26:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6B59D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:27:28 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> kilo.oftc.net quits: Cursarion, rasco 15:29:47 *** Netsplit over, joins: rasco, Cursarion 15:32:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.160.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:33 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.222.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:24 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:44:30 <Nite> Hi! 15:44:42 <Nite> question about towngrowth 15:45:09 <Nite> we know that 4 or more well served busstations make towns grow nicely 15:45:11 <Nite> but 15:46:00 <Nite> do trainstations wit a busstop (bussymbol) also count as real busstops even when there is no bus ever visiting it ?? 15:49:40 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 15:49:50 <Alberth> Random guess: the buses have nothing to do with it, you just need good servicing, a train would also work. However, getting as many visits as you have with a bus is going to be a challenge, I think. 15:51:01 <Chris_Booth> lol @ Nite 15:51:05 <Chris_Booth> its any station 15:51:14 <Chris_Booth> as long as it is well serviced 15:51:20 <Chris_Booth> within the city limits 15:51:29 <Chris_Booth> (the part of the city that is paved) 15:51:33 <Chris_Booth> silly nite 15:51:38 <Chris_Booth> no need for buses 15:52:16 *** Doorslammer [770b15cb@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:56:05 <Eddi|zuHause> nothing to do with city limits either 15:56:19 <Eddi|zuHause> only that the station is named after the city is relevant 15:57:27 <Ammler> Chris_Booth: buses are better as you have higher frequency 15:57:40 <Ammler> (less waiting time) 15:57:44 <Eddi|zuHause> and "well serviced" means "at least one piece of cargo was loaded or unloaded in the last 20 days" 15:58:23 <Eddi|zuHause> neither the vehicle type nor the cargo type matters 15:58:27 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.76.207] has joined #openttd 15:58:41 <Chris_Booth> Eddi|zuHause: I could prove you wrong 15:58:52 <Chris_Booth> showing you 2 cities 15:59:01 <Chris_Booth> 1 with 5 well served coal station 15:59:10 <Chris_Booth> 1 with 5 pax stations 15:59:17 <Chris_Booth> the pax one will grow faster 15:59:56 <Ammler> Chris_Booth: do you chat with your phone? 16:00:26 <Chris_Booth> what Ammler :S 16:00:33 <Chris_Booth> I don't have a phone 16:00:35 <Ammler> your lines are that short 16:00:39 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 16:00:48 <Chris_Booth> ooh yeah they are realy short 16:00:53 <Chris_Booth> and quite snappy 16:01:18 <Chris_Booth> but no I am on my PCs IRC 16:01:37 <yorick> so you have no excuse 16:01:57 <Chris_Booth> not on my iPhone at the moment, so if I want to I could make are realy realy realy realy long line. that will probably never end. any how I am rameling now 16:03:00 <yorick> Chris_Booth: are you drunk? 16:03:12 <compi> lol 16:03:23 <Eddi|zuHause> IRC has a 512(?) character limit for lines 16:03:29 <Chris_Booth> no not drunk. I haven't had a drink yet this week 16:05:16 <yorick> error: no matching function for call to âSwap(CPaste::CPTile*&, CPaste::CPTile*&)â <- isn't Swap supposed to accept anything? 16:06:23 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:08:23 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC249B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:11:33 <Nite> ok ty, so its the frequency thing 16:13:45 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.76.207] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:13:55 <Nite> another silly one 16:14:07 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.76.207] has joined #openttd 16:14:22 <Nite> must it be pax stations or any 4 stations with high rating? 16:15:34 <Alberth> take a guess 16:16:49 <Chris_Booth> I think it pax but others say not Nite 16:18:57 <Nite> and iam STILL not sure if more pax/mail transported makes towns grow faster 16:20:14 <Alberth> what stops you from testing it? 16:20:32 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-91-69.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:23:25 <Nite> it stops me that towns will grow fast when i do much bus and train service but i do not know the exact "why" then 16:25:03 <Nite> it also seems that one towni pump goods into grows much faster than others but the wiki states otherwise ... 16:25:09 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest261 16:25:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22424 /trunk/src/network/ (8 files): -Document: some more bits 16:26:29 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.222.147] has joined #openttd 16:26:44 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-201-219.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:23 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc3ba6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:44:29 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-168.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:49:35 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p549593B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:52:22 *** Guest261 is now known as Chris_Booth 16:58:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:02:14 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc3ba6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18:21 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:22:58 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-248-91.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:23:37 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:43:45 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:43:59 <Terkhen> will aircraft games be fun with yacd? 17:44:41 <Eddi|zuHause> no 17:45:21 <Eddi|zuHause> it's gonna show you how hopelessly inefficient aircraft are 17:45:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r22425 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed) 17:45:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 3 changes by ElNounch 17:45:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 3 changes by lorenzodv 17:45:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: polish - 6 changes by lion 17:45:39 <Terkhen> :D 17:45:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 3 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:45:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: serbian - 3 changes by etran 17:45:57 <Eddi|zuHause> mostly the airports 17:46:01 <Terkhen> even if I use aircrafts with big capacities? 17:46:04 <Terkhen> hmm... true 17:52:37 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe24d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:06:15 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.222.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:13:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 18:13:57 <andythenorth> hellos 18:14:02 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 18:14:43 <Rubidium> ohais 18:16:02 <planetmaker> salutos 18:19:49 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:24 <andythenorth> hmm 18:20:27 *** ndh [~opera@dslb-088-073-117-113.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:47 <andythenorth> implementation aside, what are the problems with idea of players owning industries? 18:21:00 <Wolf01> http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/white-trash-repairs-not-a-kludge-train-in-a-table.jpg lovely <3 18:21:17 <Belugas> the idea itself :) 18:21:32 <andythenorth> because...? 18:22:15 <Eddi|zuHause> it adds a level of gameplay that needs careful balancing for multiplayer purposes. and the game is totally unbalanced 18:22:40 <andythenorth> not sure it could be balanced for MP 18:22:47 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly 18:22:48 <andythenorth> it might be quite like monopoly... 18:23:04 <andythenorth> although it was balanced in RT3 when there were competitors 18:23:16 <Belugas> imagine a guy so filty rich that he could buy all iundustries 18:23:23 <Belugas> where's the fun? 18:23:33 <peter1138> is like DHL owning power stations 18:23:41 <peter1138> doesn't fit 18:23:50 * Belugas googles acronym 18:23:58 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the DB does own power stations ;) 18:24:08 <andythenorth> ach, screw real life 18:24:19 <andythenorth> it was fun in railroad tycoon 3, but that was mostly an industry game 18:24:21 <andythenorth> not a train game 18:24:34 <andythenorth> nearly every challenge was won by 'first by industry' 18:24:39 <andythenorth> by / buy /s 18:24:48 <andythenorth> then run industry for 5-10 years to get money 18:24:56 <andythenorth> buy trains later, only to meet scenario goals 18:25:12 <andythenorth> RT3 cargo moved on the map without trains, which was....awesome :) 18:25:30 <Eddi|zuHause> that kinda defeats the whole point 18:26:15 <andythenorth> hokey dokey 18:28:59 <Belugas> let's talk about the idea... what more would you gain owning your industry, i mean, apart from what we can do today? 18:29:32 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:31:07 <andythenorth> money 18:31:13 <Belugas> how? 18:31:18 <andythenorth> from profit 18:31:24 <andythenorth> which implies some code that has to be specced 18:31:35 <andythenorth> I'm not thinking it's a good idea 18:31:41 <andythenorth> just curious what's bad about it 18:32:30 <andythenorth> in MP, you could make money without owning any vehicles 18:32:36 <andythenorth> ! transport tycoon :) 18:33:24 <Belugas> going too fast... from profit: what profits? how different would be the dais generatio of profits? 18:33:45 <Belugas> said, not dais 18:33:48 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.222.147] has joined #openttd 18:33:52 * andythenorth is making certain assumptions 18:34:03 <andythenorth> these assumptions are based 100% on railroad tycoon 3, not anything else 18:34:14 <andythenorth> other assumptions may be possible :) 18:34:36 <Eddi|zuHause> "Being a Native American, I was wondering why people and cartoon characters yell "Geronimo!" when they parachute from an airplane. To the best of my knowledge Geronimo never skydived." 18:42:50 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.222.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:44:09 <Rubidium> obviously they're still looking for him as they can't believed he's dead?!? 18:51:02 <Eddi|zuHause> well, elvis isn't dead either 18:51:33 <Eddi|zuHause> this'll give a good source of conspiracy theories for decades... 18:53:03 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-213-255.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:13 <andythenorth> michi_cc: "thinking about destination, not routing" <- this was useful to me today in a completely other context, thanks 18:57:52 * Zuu has done quite a bit of demand modelling at work today (eg. doing the work that yacd does in OpenTTD) 18:57:59 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-204-221.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:09 <SmatZ> "Loading ... NaN%" ... nice message from a flash player :) 19:06:38 <andythenorth> pretty easy mistake to make 19:06:47 <andythenorth> didn't set the default value to 0 19:06:52 <andythenorth> schoolboy 19:08:23 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:09:48 *** TWerkhoven [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:14:47 *** DDR [~DDR@d99-199-10-67.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:16:24 * andythenorth would like a day length patch please 19:16:27 <andythenorth> with sprinkles 19:16:56 <Mazur> I really, really should stop picking up the nutmeg when I want a little cinnamon on my coffee. 19:17:03 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 19:17:48 <andythenorth> why doesn't FISH have any oil tankers? 19:18:16 <Mazur> Because fish are packed in their own oils? 19:22:28 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p549593B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:22:41 *** Twerkhoven[L] [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:23:57 <Eddi|zuHause> everybody knows that the natural habitat of sardelles is a small metal box of oil 19:24:36 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has joined #openttd 19:24:57 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:00 <andythenorth> hoo 19:26:11 <andythenorth> one of my primary industries has finally increased production :P 19:28:05 <Belugas> cool, i buy it for 10 millions! 19:28:55 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-178-78-95-75.karoo.kcom.com] has joined #openttd 19:30:17 <andythenorth> how much profit you get? 19:30:25 <andythenorth> :P 19:34:27 *** yozh [~Adium@ip-46-73-59-146.bb.netbynet.ru] has joined #openttd 19:34:39 <yozh> Hi all. 19:35:06 <SmatZ> hi 19:37:21 <yozh> I'd like to report a bug agains last version of OpenTTD. And I cannot login to BTS. I cannot login/password pair of my old account, and I cannot register a new account: I open confirmation link, and it still requests me to confirm registration. 19:37:29 <yorick> what is the difference between a steep slope and a normal slope? (like SLOPE_STEEP_W and SLOPE_NWS)? 19:38:11 <yozh> Bugreport itself (about path finding): http://i.imgur.com/974oC.png â last trail stuck, it shoult take free track. 19:38:23 <yozh> train stucks 19:38:29 <yorick> oh...steep slope has one corner with two difference from highest 19:38:34 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: steep slopes have 2 level difference between highest and lowest point 19:38:52 <Rubidium> yozh: probably is just a pathfinder penalty thing 19:38:57 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: check docs/tileh.png 19:39:23 <Rubidium> those penalties simply can't be right for all cases, but they're right for the most common cases 19:40:11 <Eddi|zuHause> yozh: go to the ingame console and increase pf.yapf.rail_pbs_cross_penalty 19:40:14 <yozh> This particular case annoys me a lot: track refuse to take "wait lines" and blocks main track. 19:40:39 <yozh> s/track/train s/refuse/refuses/ Sorry :) 19:41:01 <yozh> Eddi|zuHause: Thanks, I'll try. 19:41:11 <yorick> Eddi|zuHause: I found it already, thanks :) 19:41:31 <Eddi|zuHause> yozh: each increase by 100 makes it search 1 tile further for a detour, for each tile length of you trains 19:42:23 <Rubidium> also those sharp corners add quite a bit of pathfinder penalties 19:42:31 <Rubidium> which is why it doesn't quite like to go there 19:43:14 <Rubidium> e.g. a 45 degree corner adds 1 tile penalty, a 90 degree corner 6 19:43:38 <Rubidium> which is (basically) why it needs the increased rail_pbs_cross_penalty 19:43:48 <Rubidium> or you have to lower the 90 degree corner penalty 19:44:48 <Alberth> or make less sharp corners 19:47:34 <yozh> OK, I'll try to play with parameters. 19:48:24 <yozh> One more question: is it possible to put OpenTTD process to background in MacOS X? It ignores Command-Tab combination. 19:49:28 <yozh> (actually, it ignores "Command" and just handles "Tab" as time acceleration) 19:50:35 <Eddi|zuHause> there's some weird setting somewhere that switches meaning of command and control, or something 19:50:47 <Eddi|zuHause> have you tried other key combinations? 19:51:25 <Eddi|zuHause> also, you can switch to windowed mode in the game settings 19:51:51 <yozh> What other combination? Command-Tab is standard OSX combination to switch between processes. 19:52:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea about mac os... there are only weird people which use that... 19:52:48 <Eddi|zuHause> on "real" systems, it's Alt+Tab 19:53:25 <yozh> Eddi|zuHause: Hahaha. BTW, switching to window mode helps. 19:53:57 <planetmaker> it usually helps to switch between windows 19:54:54 <Eddi|zuHause> "at night it's colder than outside"... 19:55:09 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.231.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:57 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.231.157] has joined #openttd 20:02:27 *** andythenorth is now known as andythenorth_is_weird_people 20:09:40 <yorick> is SLOPE_ELEVATED ever seen in the wild? 20:11:24 * andythenorth_is_weird_people needs smaller trucks :( 20:12:03 <yorick> andythenorth_is_weird_people: go make them 20:12:29 * andythenorth_is_weird_people might 20:12:33 <andythenorth_is_weird_people> takes time though :) 20:13:05 <Zuu> Chopper trucks? :-) 20:14:13 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe21dc00-138.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:14:43 <Eddi|zuHause> "src/slope_type.h: SLOPE_ELEVATED = SLOPE_N | SLOPE_E | SLOPE_S | SLOPE_W, ///< bit mask containing all 'simple' slopes" 20:17:16 <yorick> Eddi|zuHause: but is it ever used on a tile? 20:17:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: probably not 20:18:49 <Alberth> src/town_cmd.cpp: if (!TerraformTownTile(tile, ~tileh & SLOPE_ELEVATED, 1)) { nope, never used :) 20:19:03 *** amkoroew1 [~Heinz@p5B10646B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:55 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B104827.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:20:17 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-77-86-97-180.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:20:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: in the code, yes. but it's (currently) no valid value for any tile 20:20:51 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Juo] 20:20:56 <ChoHag_> How do you upgrade an airport if the city is too concerned about noise? 20:21:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22426 /trunk/src/blitter/base.cpp: -Fix (r22291): Drawing vertical and horizontal lines of width 1 missed drawing the first pixel. 20:21:06 <Eddi|zuHause> ChoHag_: build it further out 20:21:16 <Eddi|zuHause> ChoHag_: or make the city grow 20:21:25 <Zuu> Use feeder service. 20:21:41 <Zuu> (or distant join) 20:21:47 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: Mutant Co-Op - C&C Renegade] 20:21:58 <ChoHag_> You can't just build them trees? 20:22:04 <Eddi|zuHause> no 20:22:11 <ChoHag_> Then politicians love their trees. 20:22:28 <Alberth> you can build them trees, but they won't give you permission then 20:22:30 <Eddi|zuHause> noise level is independent from company rating 20:22:35 <frosch123> SLOPE_ELEVATED is just for preventing the assertion in ComplementSlope to trigger 20:22:36 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-161-134.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 20:23:09 <ChoHag_> It's not something bribable? 20:23:18 <ChoHag_> Then how the hell did Terminal 5 happen?? 20:24:46 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-178-78-95-75.karoo.kcom.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:24:59 <Zuu> OpenTTD is not real life. 20:25:00 <Eddi|zuHause> ChoHag_: noise level depends on three things, the city size, the difficulty settings, and the distance to town center 20:25:19 <Eddi|zuHause> (and of course, the size of the airport) 20:25:33 *** welshdragon [~dragon@anubis.millsie.net] has joined #openttd 20:26:25 <Eddi|zuHause> hmm... these "juice" gummybears have way too strong taste... 20:28:46 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-97-180.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:33:36 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-77-86-97-180.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:38:04 <ChoHag_> So how do you transfer passengers both to and from the airport? 20:38:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't 20:38:36 <Eddi|zuHause> build it so that it accepts passengers, and then only transfer to the airport 20:39:05 * andythenorth_is_weird_people is taking FISH requests 20:39:11 <ChoHag_> That's ... silly. 20:39:43 * andythenorth_is_weird_people thinks a boat for about 16t of cargo would be useful 20:39:55 <andythenorth_is_weird_people> also one with about 120t 20:39:59 <andythenorth_is_weird_people> or maybe 160 20:40:06 <andythenorth_is_weird_people> and a ferry with 120 pax 20:40:12 <andythenorth_is_weird_people> any requests? 20:40:52 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:59 <Eddi|zuHause> more "round" numbers. 180 is easier to match than 195 20:41:08 <Eddi|zuHause> or 200 20:41:33 <Eddi|zuHause> in terms of "have a ship the exact same size as my train" 20:41:41 <planetmaker> andythenorth_is_weird_people: you have 190t ships already. 20:41:52 <Zuu> ChoHag_: Or get yacd, cargodist or even cargodest. 20:41:58 <planetmaker> but 10t ships might be useful 20:42:05 <andythenorth_is_weird_people> Eddi|zuHause: I tried 'same size as my train' 20:42:08 <planetmaker> hydrofoil or fast one 20:42:14 <planetmaker> catemaran 20:42:19 <andythenorth_is_weird_people> but it kept varying as per the train set I was using at the time :P 20:42:24 <planetmaker> (or however that is called in English) 20:44:08 <andythenorth_is_weird_people> this boat is cool: http://www.powertium.com/hata-empat.html 20:45:25 <andythenorth_is_weird_people> and this one: http://www.whitesea.ae/06-07-09%20Updated%20Specs/Reem%20Specs.pdf 20:46:48 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-168.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:49:44 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:58 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-219-231.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:50:02 <frosch123> night 20:50:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe24d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:35 <andythenorth_is_weird_people> planetmaker: http://www.incatcrowther.com/product_details.php?pid=161&catid=&nprod=1 20:51:15 <andythenorth_is_weird_people> http://www.incatcrowther.com/product_details.php?pid=150&catid=&nprod=12 20:51:17 <planetmaker> I guess that's what is needed, yes :-) 20:51:21 <andythenorth_is_weird_people> so many ships :P 20:51:23 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-168.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:28 <andythenorth_is_weird_people> so few pixels to paint them with 20:51:37 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host249-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:51:37 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host249-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:52:16 <planetmaker> and 25 or 29 knots is not that bad either. it's 45 or 53 km/h 20:53:01 <andythenorth_is_weird_people> indeed 20:53:47 <Eddi|zuHause> and fits as many people as a bus... 20:54:17 <planetmaker> 12? 20:54:56 <Eddi|zuHause> well for various sizes of busses :p 20:55:27 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 20:55:48 <andythenorth_is_weird_people> sometimes it seems my YACD links break 20:55:54 <Eddi|zuHause> there are busses with like 12-15 seats 20:56:10 <andythenorth_is_weird_people> hmm 20:56:16 <andythenorth_is_weird_people> maybe it's an already known bug 20:56:21 *** compi [~compi@77-22-129-86-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:02:00 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@213.80.114.141] has joined #openttd 21:06:07 <andythenorth_is_weird_people> ho 21:06:37 *** andythenorth_is_weird_people is now known as andythenorth 21:07:56 <andythenorth> one thing that does work awesome with FIRS + YACD is farm clustering + low production 21:08:22 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i probably took a too small map for that 21:11:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i only got one of each industry, even on "high" settings 21:11:52 <andythenorth> I have 512 x 256, high industry, mountainous, high water 21:13:21 <andythenorth> I have 4-8 of each farm type 21:14:18 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-017-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 21:14:40 <andythenorth> it works like a fun system: small truck -> local consolidation point -> ship or train to transfer yard -> final destinations 21:15:05 <Eddi|zuHause> yep, that's the idea 21:15:20 <Eddi|zuHause> your map is 4 times bigger than mine 21:15:24 <andythenorth> it's one FIRS concept that is enhanced with YACD :) 21:15:30 * andythenorth is pleased 21:15:41 <andythenorth> I need *smaller* trucks later in the game though 21:15:50 <andythenorth> maybe 10t 21:15:50 <Eddi|zuHause> so it's quite plausible that you have 4 times the amount of industries 21:16:05 <andythenorth> trucks get bigger over time :( 21:16:14 <andythenorth> quite unrealistically amounts in egrvts 21:16:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i was missing small cargo trams 21:16:49 <andythenorth> HEQS fails in that respect :( 21:16:52 <Eddi|zuHause> so when i want something small, i either have to take the slower one (bad) or build roads 21:17:16 <andythenorth> I'm not inclined to do much with HEQS 21:17:24 <andythenorth> I'm kind of hoping for rv-wagons 21:17:56 <andythenorth> the tram solution is very elegantly designed, but using it everywhere would be a headache 21:18:02 <andythenorth> and it's broken for auto-replace 21:18:19 <andythenorth> which is a little annoying 21:18:30 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.63.19] has joined #openttd 21:18:34 <nicfer> hi all 21:18:50 <nicfer> I can't install openttd 1.1.0 in debian 21:18:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm still having some length issues with some of the trams, they are treated longer than they actually are 21:19:20 <nicfer> i'm using the 64 bit version 21:19:47 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I can't fix that 21:19:56 <andythenorth> can't / can't be bothered /s 21:20:15 <nicfer> synaptic offers me only 1.0.4 and trying to install it with the .deb from the page tells me that libicu38 is missing 21:20:43 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0dba34.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:20:55 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2414 21:21:03 <andythenorth> I did look at it for 10 mins 21:21:47 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: can you point me to the repo and the location in the code, so i can have a look? 21:22:11 <andythenorth> sure 21:22:12 <andythenorth> 1 min 21:23:21 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/show/sprites/nfo/industrial_trams 21:23:27 <andythenorth> ^ in the files for each wagon 21:23:33 <andythenorth> and also the included template 21:23:59 <andythenorth> or this view if you prefer: http://hg.openttdcoop.org/heqs/file/248f889d18ac/sprites/nfo/industrial_trams 21:24:04 <andythenorth> or you can checkout ;) 21:24:19 <andythenorth> it's plausibly a mistake. If a fix is forthcoming, I'll ship it 21:25:14 <Eddi|zuHause> if i don't have it by the end of the weekend, it's probably not happening 21:25:14 * andythenorth wants an AI that goes fishing for him 21:25:46 <andythenorth> and a pony 21:25:50 <andythenorth> and to go to sleep 21:27:01 <nicfer> am I readable? 21:27:20 <Eddi|zuHause> no 21:27:22 <planetmaker> nope 21:27:34 <planetmaker> except... maybe from your guts one could tell the future... 21:27:39 <planetmaker> but it's a one-time experience 21:27:42 <Eddi|zuHause> nicfer: if in doubt, use the linux-generic 21:28:07 <andythenorth> hood oight 21:28:09 *** yozh [~Adium@ip-46-73-59-146.bb.netbynet.ru] has left #openttd [] 21:28:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 21:28:30 <nicfer> 6.1 is squeeze right? 21:28:33 <Eddi|zuHause> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/php_vs_python.png 21:29:24 <nicfer> now it seems to work 21:29:43 <nicfer> with the squeeze .deb 21:31:26 *** Twerkhoven[L] [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 21:31:41 <yorick> :D 21:33:00 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.63.19] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:36:47 <yorick> isn't there a bool IsSlopeCornerHigherThanOtherSlopeCorner(Slope s, Corner a, Corner other); ? 21:37:58 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:40:24 <Chris_Booth> @seen Zuu 21:40:24 <DorpsGek> Chris_Booth: Zuu was last seen in #openttd 58 minutes and 32 seconds ago: <Zuu> ChoHag_: Or get yacd, cargodist or even cargodest. 21:41:11 <Chris_Booth> Zuu_: are you around still? 21:41:46 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: Slope & (1<<Corner)? 21:42:41 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-248-91.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:44:05 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-168.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:44:55 <yorick> Eddi|zuHause: IsSlopeCornerHigherThanOtherSlopeCorner(SLOPE_NWS, CORNER_E, CORNER_N) -> true 21:46:13 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: (s>>a&1) > (s>>b&1) 21:46:34 <Eddi|zuHause> plus magic for steep slope 21:46:58 <Eddi|zuHause> ((s>>a)&1) > ((s>>b)&1) 21:47:09 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure about operator priority in c 21:50:13 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-168.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:51:13 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p549593B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:51:14 *** DDR [~DDR@d99-199-10-67.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52:47 <Eddi|zuHause> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/bundeswahlleiter.jpg <-- this one is evil :p 21:54:17 <yorick> Eddi|zuHause: thanks 21:54:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: this is valid for all slopes that are not steep 21:55:26 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC249B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 21:58:22 <yorick> the steep ones need some more magic when 1<<a is s ^ (SLOPE_STEEP | SLOPE_ELEVATED) 21:58:40 <yorick> (I think...at least the one the slope is falling to 21:58:51 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.231.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:36 <Terkhen> good night 21:59:41 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.231.157] has joined #openttd 22:00:46 <Zuu_> Chris_Booth: I'm here 22:00:55 <Chris_Booth> hi Zuu_ 22:01:11 <Zuu_> Hello Chris_Booth 22:01:13 <Chris_Booth> I pmed you the otherday asking for the source of ottdau 22:01:33 <Chris_Booth> I wanted to see if I could patch it to download from bananas for my own use only 22:01:42 <Zuu_> I see no PM at tt-forums. 22:01:53 <Chris_Booth> no in IRC 22:02:04 <Chris_Booth> on 3rd of may 22:02:07 <Zuu_> Oh, then possible lost whenever I've closed the chat client. 22:02:45 <Chris_Booth> do you have the C# code for it that I can use? or is it a no? 22:02:55 <Zuu_> It's Delphi. 22:03:07 <Chris_Booth> ooh Delphi hhhm never used Delphi 22:03:15 <Chris_Booth> though yours was C# 22:03:21 <Chris_Booth> must be another updater 22:03:44 <Zuu_> There was a free edition of Delphi called Turbo Delphi, but they have droped it. There is also a open source compiler that I've never tried. 22:04:02 <Chris_Booth> Learning Delphi to give my self bananas would be fun 22:04:07 <Zuu_> :-) 22:04:27 <Zuu_> They have a fairly nice HTTP-module in the Indy library. 22:04:52 <Chris_Booth> you have a URL for the code? or is in tt-forums? 22:06:01 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-109-253-001.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:06:38 <Zuu_> The code sits on my computer(s), mostly because I haven't made it open source. (eg. to not remove the restriction of overloading the server) 22:07:36 <Zuu_> But if you are interested for personal use, I might send it to you anyway. 22:08:38 <Chris_Booth> I am here in IRC 22:08:44 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-213-255.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:53 <Chris_Booth> I am also under the same name in tt-forums 22:09:08 <Chris_Booth> and my email can be found in openttdcoop user page 22:09:35 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.231.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:38 <Zuu_> Ok, I will not send it tonight as it is almost bed time, but poke me if I forget it. 22:09:46 <Chris_Booth> thanks 22:10:00 <Zuu_> Have fun learning Delphi :-) 22:10:24 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.231.157] has joined #openttd 22:10:44 <Zuu_> IIRC the turbo edition that I use is equivalent to Delphi 2006 (or 2007). 22:13:35 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-161-134.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [Quit: asilv] 22:15:20 <Eddi|zuHause> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/radar_injection.jpg <-- bobby tables does now own a car 22:18:18 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.231.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:20 <Zuu_> The propper way of implementing bananas in OpenTTDAU 2.0 would be to add a module to the php-server that communicaties with the OpenTTD bananas server and apply caching and then having a XML/HTTP-based interface for the OpenTTD 2.0 client to access the information. Only the actual download will take place directly from openttd.org. Though, I haven't studied banans enough to see if that is really useful at all or just a big pile of overhead. 22:19:07 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.231.157] has joined #openttd 22:19:37 <Zuu_> Propper above is mostly as in if you want to follow the ideas which was used in 2.0. But for your own use it might just be easier to talk directly to openttd.org. 22:20:57 <Chris_Booth> thanks Zuu_ will keep that in mind 22:21:56 *** ndh [~opera@dslb-088-073-117-113.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #openttd [] 22:22:05 <yorick> proper* 22:22:54 <Zuu_> yorick: good that you can properly spell proper ;-) 22:23:55 <yorick> Zuu_: I was like "argh" the first time, and "ARGH" the second :( 22:25:31 <Zuu_> In my native language vovels get long if you don't add double consonants after them. 22:30:07 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.231.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:56 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.231.157] has joined #openttd 22:31:47 <Zuu_> Good night 22:39:50 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.231.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:44 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.231.157] has joined #openttd 22:41:38 <Wolf01> 'night 22:41:43 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host249-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:02:37 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.231.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:26 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.231.157] has joined #openttd 23:09:39 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.76.207] has quit [Quit: sleep.] 23:11:40 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.17/20110420140830]] 23:17:20 *** Chris_Booth_ [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 23:28:10 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@2001:888:10:ce8::2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:42 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19A07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:23 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-97-180.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:13 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@213.80.114.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:41:02 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p549593B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:49:20 *** amkoroew1 [~Heinz@p5B107476.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:52:26 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dream@92.18.126.40] has joined #openttd 23:54:58 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B104827.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:57:13 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.231.157] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4]