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09:27:51 <planetmaker> depends on the definition of 'usable' and 'taxi service' 09:27:54 <planetmaker> and 'car' 09:27:56 *** DDR [~DDR@d99-199-10-67.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:28:12 <dihedral> :-P 09:30:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-151-119-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 09:30:23 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ech107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:32:07 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 09:32:07 <ChoHag_> Usable as in passengers get in and out, taxi as in they pay and car as in ... car. 09:32:38 <planetmaker> generally cars will have too low capacity to be of any use within ttd world 09:32:45 <Chris_Booth> planetmaker: you could make a grf of a taxi, make lots of annoying 1 way streets and dead end, then give you taxi no orders this would mean that the taxi would always be lost 09:32:45 <ChoHag_> I need to build something before the LAs get pissed off with me, but the village is too small for buses. 09:32:48 <planetmaker> Usable as eye candy: yes 09:33:23 <Chris_Booth> ChoHag_: then you need trees 09:33:26 <planetmaker> ChoHag_: why would the size of the vehicle be bothersome 09:33:30 <planetmaker> ? 09:33:41 <Chris_Booth> delete all the trees around the village and replant them 09:33:43 <ChoHag_> Well I don't want to lose money. 09:33:49 <Chris_Booth> and presto the town will love you 09:33:58 <ChoHag_> Chris_Booth: Oh no, they're happy, I just want them to stay that way. 09:34:16 <ChoHag_> I'm trying to connect passengers in all the towns I pass railways by/through. 09:34:31 <ChoHag_> ie. all the towns in which the LAs notice me. 09:34:48 <ChoHag_> That way I'm hoping my transport network will grow in a moderately realistic fashion. 09:34:55 <Chris_Booth> then make a bus route, and transfer the passengers to the main station 09:35:20 <Chris_Booth> realism? what is this realism? 09:35:37 <ChoHag_> They don't want to send any passengers to places I want to go. 09:35:41 <Chris_Booth> sounds strange to me 09:35:49 <ChoHag_> Game => Fun => Vaguely realistic. 09:36:05 <planetmaker> playing yacd? 09:36:08 <ChoHag_> Yes. 09:36:38 <planetmaker> then just connect a bus terminal to your train station and add two stops to other destinations within the town and have a single bus circle 09:37:00 <Chris_Booth> yacd is cargodist? 09:37:01 <ChoHag_> OK well yes that'll happen eventually. 09:37:04 <Terkhen> no 09:37:14 <ChoHag_> But in the meantime, will passengers use cars? 09:37:20 <Chris_Booth> no 09:37:26 <Chris_Booth> the game doesn't have cars 09:37:30 <Chris_Booth> unless you make them 09:37:39 <ChoHag_> Will passengers use cars if I have a cars GRF? 09:37:47 *** ChoHag_ is now known as ChoHag 09:37:49 <Terkhen> there is a generic cars newgrf, passengers will use them but they are not profitable 09:37:56 <Terkhen> well, they are, but not much 09:38:14 <ChoHag> That's not a problem. I have coal and oil if I want profitable. 09:38:23 <Chris_Booth> what is yacd Terkhen? 09:38:31 <ChoHag> Very few towns are currently big enough to make passengers profitable. 09:38:40 <Chris_Booth> then use coal 09:38:46 <Chris_Booth> or grow towns 09:38:48 <planetmaker> ChoHag: passengers are profitable, if you ship them to the station 09:38:52 <Terkhen> Chris_Booth: check the forum thread 09:38:55 <planetmaker> they'll want to go to big towns for sure ;-) 09:39:22 <Chris_Booth> got a link Terkhen? i am lazy and can't be bothered to search tt-forum 09:39:37 <Terkhen> me too 09:39:39 <ChoHag> They'll become more profitable in the 90s or 2000s. 09:40:03 <ChoHag> In the meantime, keep the LAs happy, make towns grow with basic passenger services, ship raw materials to make $big_bucks. 09:40:24 <Terkhen> yes, I use cars mostly for keeping towns happy in small towns 09:40:27 <planetmaker> ChoHag: in my yacd game passengers were what got me going 09:40:52 <planetmaker> making more money than industries 09:41:06 <planetmaker> but I started in two big towns and build a railway line in between 09:41:12 <planetmaker> then the other towns followed 09:41:18 <ChoHag> Oh well I'll run an experiment in this village and see how good my real life car is in the game. 09:41:21 <planetmaker> as usual small villages got service last ;-) 09:49:47 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 09:58:13 *** ar3k [~ident@ech107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:58:30 *** ar3k [~ident@ech107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 09:58:32 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 10:02:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host249-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:09:11 <Wolf01> hello 10:20:02 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 10:20:32 *** lasershock is now known as Zeknurn 10:27:00 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ech107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:27:27 *** ar3k [~ident@ech107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:27:29 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 10:31:23 *** ar3k [~ident@ech107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:35:29 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@92.9.239.180] has joined #openttd 10:37:48 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ech107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:41:38 *** ar3kaw [~ident@eby170.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:47:23 *** ar3k [~ident@ech107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:53 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-73-215.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:50:00 *** weirdy [~SkeedR@94-193-221-98.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:52:44 *** loveringau65465 [~loveringa@CPE-58-175-171-233.cqul1.win.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:54:33 <loveringau65465> hi 10:54:42 <weirdy> bye? 10:54:46 <Chrill> Chrill? 10:55:19 <planetmaker> ho 10:55:21 <weirdy> Bill! 10:55:45 <loveringau65465> pill 10:55:54 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-110-44.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:57:09 <loveringau65465> ok 10:58:13 <loveringau65465> yeah... 10:59:21 <ChoHag> The economy is going to hell. 10:59:42 <ChoHag> Does it have trends and is there a console command to view/set it? 10:59:48 <planetmaker> nope 11:00:06 <planetmaker> but there's a smooth and a 'normal' economy setting 11:00:11 *** weirdy [~SkeedR@94-193-221-98.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 11:00:19 <planetmaker> but whether it goes up or down... is nothing one can influence 11:01:24 <ChoHag> What does the steady/fluctuating difficulty setting do then? 11:01:54 <planetmaker> the size of an individual change 11:02:04 <planetmaker> 10% change vs. 50% change or so 11:03:01 <ChoHag> Well it needs to go up dammit! Only 4 industries have production > 100. 11:05:23 *** ar3kaw [~ident@eby170.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:05:43 *** ar3k [~ident@eby170.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 11:05:45 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 11:07:10 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 11:08:59 *** loveringau65465 [~loveringa@CPE-58-175-171-233.cqul1.win.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 11:14:42 *** ar3k [~ident@eby170.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 11:20:23 *** ar3kaw [~ident@eby170.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:21:42 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27:57 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 11:32:03 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 11:32:27 *** ar3k [~ident@eby170.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 11:39:30 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 11:58:44 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-42-92.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 11:59:44 *** Chris_Booth_ [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:04:53 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:04:56 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 12:05:10 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-73-215.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:18:13 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-184-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:32:10 <Yexo> ChoHag: http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_Mechanics might be useful, it explains how industry production works 12:32:14 <Yexo> and when it goes up/down 13:06:32 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 13:14:28 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:15:18 *** Ruudjah [~opera@86.93.109.194] has joined #openttd 13:19:38 *** Turbulentor [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:20:30 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd 13:20:33 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 13:35:30 <ChoHag> SWMBO has gone. I can get back to the important task of building train networks. 13:37:43 *** compi [~compi@mail1.itout.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:38:05 *** compi [~compi@mail1.itout.de] has joined #openttd 13:48:02 *** compi [~compi@mail1.itout.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:50:45 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:51:13 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 13:58:48 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:17 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:50 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 14:05:58 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:09:29 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd 14:09:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:13:21 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe30dc00-29.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:15:03 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:18:05 * Belugas puts on Bloody Time Zones - Chapel Rock 14:19:18 <peter1138> heh 14:22:34 <Belugas> I love that piece :) 14:23:09 <Belugas> quite a riff you came up with, peter1138 14:30:17 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.76.207] has joined #openttd 14:32:18 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:22 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 14:35:08 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-184-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:40:35 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:41:32 *** Turbulentor is now known as TWerkhoven 14:43:44 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 14:46:27 *** ar3k [~ident@eby170.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 14:46:31 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 14:47:41 *** ZirconiumX [561b9caa@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:49:09 <ZirconiumX> hello all 14:52:48 <ChoHag> Why is my vehicle autorenew not working? 14:53:20 <ChoHag> The same vehicle is still available and I have loads of money. 14:53:33 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has left #openttd [] 14:55:38 <planetmaker> no access to depot? 14:55:40 <planetmaker> no money? 14:55:49 <ChoHag> Neither is a problem. 14:56:01 <ChoHag> Even after I send the vehicle for servicing myself it won't replace. 14:56:09 <ZirconiumX> have you turned auto-renew on in advanced settings? 14:56:13 <ChoHag> Breakdowns are off, if that matters. 14:56:25 <ChoHag> It's on. It's been toggled to try resetting it. 14:56:39 <ZirconiumX> how old re the vehicles 14:57:51 <ChoHag> Some are ancient nw. 14:58:06 <ChoHag> 17 years of 12, 18. 14:58:10 <ChoHag> Some buses are 40 years old. 14:58:27 <ChoHag> As breakdowns are off it's not been urgent. 14:58:56 <planetmaker> Did you enable autorenew for all vehicles? 14:59:04 <ChoHag> Can it be picky? 14:59:43 <planetmaker> you can ask it to only renew a group 14:59:50 <ChoHag> Where? 14:59:53 <planetmaker> depends where you ask 15:00:22 <planetmaker> which group window: general list. or single groups 15:00:31 *** ZirconiumX [561b9caa@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:00:59 <ChoHag> There is no renew option if all/ungrouped, only for each individual group. 15:01:07 <ChoHag> s/if/for/ 15:01:25 <ChoHag> No I tell a lie. That's replace in each individual group, not renew. 15:02:27 <Eddi|zuHause> renew is a global option in advanced settings 15:02:42 <ChoHag> Yes. And it's on. 15:02:52 <Eddi|zuHause> so? 15:03:14 <ChoHag> Well it's not working. 15:04:06 <Eddi|zuHause> you have money? your trains find the depot? you waited at least one full service interval? you excluded groups from autoreplace? 15:04:58 <ChoHag> Yes, yes, yes, no. 15:05:19 <Eddi|zuHause> does it work when you manually send the train to depot? 15:05:23 <ChoHag> No. 15:05:40 <Eddi|zuHause> that's weird... 15:05:57 <Eddi|zuHause> not that i actually tried autorenew lately... 15:10:03 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffcf6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:14:02 *** staN [~Miranda@p5B05BC53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:20:56 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 15:25:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.160.248] has joined #openttd 15:28:20 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-160.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:32:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.169.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:36:27 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d082e1b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:38:55 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-212-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:51 *** compi [~compi@77-22-129-86-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 16:11:20 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.76.207] has joined #openttd 16:12:35 <Eddi|zuHause> "133.7 GiB free" 16:17:10 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.76.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:20:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74674.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:20:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74674.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:20:54 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p54958413.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:23:46 *** sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:26:47 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-168.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:29:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:29:42 *** sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #openttd 16:30:30 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-151-119-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:33:42 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0497ba.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:40:18 <andythenorth> would it be useful to show loading speed of vehicles in gui? 16:41:04 <planetmaker> yes 16:41:14 <planetmaker> at least in purchase list 16:41:55 <andythenorth> newgrf can handle that 16:41:58 <andythenorth> but should it? 16:43:06 <planetmaker> hm... care to write a patch? 16:43:40 <andythenorth> right now my baby is trying to eat the magsafe so probably a bad time :P 16:47:07 <Prof_Frink> andythenorth: Muse? 16:54:33 *** Chruker [~no@5634a56d.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 16:55:42 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 17:00:53 * andythenorth is finding ferry boats confusing 17:01:31 <andythenorth> the capacity varies wildly, not in relation to size 17:04:17 <Terkhen> FIRS ferry boats? 17:04:30 <andythenorth> RL 17:04:49 <andythenorth> the same 40m long ferry might carry 20 pax or 1,000 pax 17:05:33 <andythenorth> depends on licenses, where it's operated, whether it's commuter or long distance, what life saving equipment it needs, and whether it's standing, seating, or seats+tables 17:05:43 <andythenorth> none of which is relevant for fun gameplay :P 17:06:26 <Terkhen> 1000 persons on 40m? :D 17:07:41 <andythenorth> well maybe a few less 17:07:41 <perk11> it should cary prisoners 17:08:17 <perk11> *carry 17:08:35 *** ndh [~opera@dslb-088-073-070-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:08:41 <Terkhen> passengers as bulk cargo? 17:10:56 <planetmaker> :-P 17:12:09 * andythenorth has design ponder 17:12:51 <andythenorth> do the vehicle ferries need to be vehicle ferries? 17:13:17 <peter1138> cargo subtypes! 17:13:46 <Terkhen> what does imply being a vehicle ferry? 17:14:12 <andythenorth> it's (a) got a vehicle deck drawn in the sprites (b) the PAX capacity is lower than you'd expect for the size of boat 17:14:56 <andythenorth> (c) it can refit to some amount of freight cargo 17:15:10 <Terkhen> oh, I remember someone complaining about that, I didn't pay much attention 17:15:22 <Terkhen> IMO it does not matter much 17:18:31 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: Mutant Co-Op - C&C Renegade] 17:25:23 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:07 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:39:50 *** bdavenport [~bdavenpor@mail.companioncabinet.com] has joined #openttd 17:41:25 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-168.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:47 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-168.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:42:37 <Eddi|zuHause> vehicle ferries need to load actual vehicles :p 17:43:42 <Terkhen> if livestock can be considered as both actual livestock and milk, passengers can be considered as vehicles too 17:44:05 <planetmaker> vehicle: ox 17:44:47 <Eddi|zuHause> an ox can carry 1 person or 0.3 tons of cargo? 17:45:38 <planetmaker> :-) 17:46:40 <Eddi|zuHause> vehicle: shepherd dog. can "carry" 30 sheep 17:46:56 <planetmaker> :-D 17:47:10 <Terkhen> can be refitted to carry 200 fleas 17:48:04 <George> Hello 17:48:07 <planetmaker> or 15 goats 17:48:11 <George> frosch123: Are you here? 17:48:20 <Terkhen> hi George 17:48:36 <George> A question about FS#3281 17:50:28 <George> I'm currenty again trying to create a new movement model for ARVs and I'm in lack of required vars :) 17:50:39 <George> I'm looking for help! 17:51:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i've had some 6x stuff for trains lying around somewhere 17:51:44 <George> I need a var like var 45 that gives information about the curvature info 2 vehs back\forward 17:52:23 <George> Eddi|zuHause: the only var6x on the wiki is var 60 17:52:36 <George> What new vars do you have? 17:52:44 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, was a patch... 17:52:57 <Eddi|zuHause> searching for it right now 17:52:59 <George> what does it provide& 17:53:02 <George> ? 17:53:06 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.76.207] has quit [Quit: bbml] 17:54:15 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, it was here: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2521 17:55:36 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=51697 <- matching forum post 17:55:48 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:41 <Terkhen> the testing binary is still there :P 17:57:31 <Eddi|zuHause> George: i'd be glad if you could give some opinion on whether it works at all, or what additional data you think is needed 17:58:44 <Eddi|zuHause> also, whether frosch123's suggestion of bitstuffing it all into one variable would be sufficent 17:58:49 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 17:59:04 <George> Why didn't you PM me about it? I would test it 5 months earlyer! 17:59:17 <George> Starting testing 17:59:22 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... PM didn't cross my mind ;) 17:59:29 <Eddi|zuHause> will do that next time ;) 17:59:42 <George> I just missed that topic :( 17:59:50 <Eddi|zuHause> George: but wouldn't you get an email if a comment to FS task was added? 18:01:49 <George> Well, it should be that way ... But I do not see such e-mail. May be it went to spam on the server :( 18:02:19 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, patch doesn't run away... ;) 18:03:19 <andythenorth> blearch 18:03:25 <andythenorth> too many boats in the world 18:03:31 <andythenorth> not all can fit in the game well :P 18:03:43 <George> Eddi|zuHause: >anyway, patch doesn't run away... ;) ? 18:03:51 <George> what do you mean? 18:04:40 <Eddi|zuHause> George: i mean it doesn't get lost just because you test it 5 months later 18:04:59 <Eddi|zuHause> PS: maybe you find this post interesting/have comments: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=53511 18:06:03 <George> and could you compile it based on the more recent version? 18:06:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: ^ ? 18:06:41 <Terkhen> not now, I'm on linux right now 18:06:48 <Terkhen> I could do it tomorrow 18:10:47 <Terkhen> what version, 1.1.0 or trunk? 18:14:28 <George> Eddi|zuHause: You wrote just my attempts! 18:15:01 <George> while I was thinking about 22 deg 18:15:17 <George> why do you think 15 deg is better/ 18:15:57 <George> But definitly I need you patch to provide it 18:17:10 <Eddi|zuHause> George: in most situations, you have the vehicle in front turned, and in the next step, the vehicle itself turned and the next vehicle is still old direction. with 22.5° graphics, both situations need same graphics. it's difficult to prevent the vehicle from "jumping" at that point 18:17:30 <Eddi|zuHause> with 15°, you have different graphics for each 18:20:31 <George> Hm. in my model I did not expect that problem. I have to think about it 18:21:21 <George> So, could you compile a win32 exe with this diff an the last nighty/stable? 18:22:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't compile for windows. 18:23:35 <George> And how did you do http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/fs_2521/? 18:24:50 <George> Did Terkhen compiled it? 18:25:04 <Terkhen> yes, I was asking which version do you need 18:25:43 <George> Terkhen: Could you compile the patch with the latest nighty/stable (what is easier for you) 18:26:11 <Terkhen> either is easy, but I can't do it until tomorrow 18:26:25 <George> Ok, I'll wait till you can 18:27:31 <George> In case nighty is as easy as stable using the latest nighty fits better 18:28:17 <Terkhen> ok 18:29:33 *** compi [~compi@77-22-129-86-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:39 <George> Thank you! 18:31:02 <andythenorth> is there any point in the FISH passenger boats refitting to all cargos? 18:31:11 <andythenorth> should I limit them to express cargos or something? 18:32:23 <andythenorth> the thinking was that ships can pretty much carry anything 18:32:24 <planetmaker> Well... Personally I like refittability - even when there are good arguments for your suggestion 18:32:54 <andythenorth> then again...box cars and flat trucks can carry pretty much anything, but we don't generally allow them to 'refit all' 18:33:17 <planetmaker> don't we? 18:33:23 <planetmaker> I do ;-) 18:33:33 <planetmaker> But I adjust cargo capacity to encourage other wagons 18:33:44 <planetmaker> which are dedicated to the other cargos 18:34:09 <planetmaker> and obviously I disallow passengers for box cars. Illegal immigration is not my business ;-) 18:35:42 <planetmaker> hm... every index of the colour palette is valid :-) 18:35:47 <Eddi|zuHause> George: posted a slightly updated patch with new variable 64 18:35:52 <planetmaker> hm... wrong channel :-P 18:36:17 <George> Eddi|zuHause: Where? 18:36:23 <Eddi|zuHause> in the FS task 18:36:45 <George> Please inform Terkhen 18:36:57 <Terkhen> consider myself informed :P 18:37:02 <George> So he would compile with the new version 18:37:11 <Terkhen> tomorrow I'll pick up the latest patch in the task and compile it against trunk 18:37:39 <George> Ok 18:37:54 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 18:51:32 <planetmaker> andythenorth: is there a reason to limit the refit capability of the ships? 18:51:44 <andythenorth> not particularly 18:51:51 <planetmaker> Then... why? 18:51:59 * andythenorth thinks about it 18:52:56 <andythenorth> it's a two-step case 18:53:06 <andythenorth> the vehicle ferries should show something when loaded 18:53:27 <andythenorth> so what should they show when loaded with freight? 18:53:58 <Eddi|zuHause> lorries 18:54:36 <andythenorth> for each cargo type? 18:54:42 <andythenorth> and from which RV set? 18:54:44 <andythenorth> base graphics? 18:55:41 <Eddi|zuHause> probably a stupid idea :p 18:56:37 <planetmaker> not a bad idea, I think 18:56:45 <planetmaker> you have enough heqs ;-) 18:57:00 <planetmaker> ships can't use child sprites... 18:57:09 <andythenorth> no 18:57:19 <Terkhen> generic cars? :P 18:57:28 <andythenorth> for PAX yes 18:57:32 <andythenorth> but for freight...? 18:58:21 <Terkhen> vans? 19:04:08 *** DX3 [~Dream@92.18.198.87] has quit [Quit: There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence.] 19:04:26 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dream@92.18.198.87] has joined #openttd 19:08:41 <andythenorth> also - if the PAX ships refit to freight, should the freight ships refit to PAX? 19:09:17 <andythenorth> and why can't the freight ships refit to mail? 19:09:33 * andythenorth has no idea 19:09:39 * andythenorth just codes it :P 19:17:59 <peter1138> mixed-cargo ships 19:19:11 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:21:53 * andythenorth checks newgrf spec :P 19:23:46 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 19:27:55 *** staN [~Miranda@p5B05BC53.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:47 *** DDR [~DDR@d99-199-10-67.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:40:43 *** Twerkhoven[L] [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:43:58 <andythenorth> he 19:44:03 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:44:09 <andythenorth> distributing FIRS petrol with YACD is interesting 19:44:34 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 19:53:29 *** Amis [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: *pop*] 19:55:30 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4816:bcf9:5839:1f53] has joined #openttd 19:55:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 20:01:09 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d082e1b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 20:07:23 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-17-237.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:07:33 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-160.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:21 *** compi [~compi@77-22-129-86-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 20:08:52 <andythenorth> bonkers 20:09:02 <andythenorth> I have trains and ships hauling wood from A to B 20:09:06 <andythenorth> and wood from B to A 20:09:12 <andythenorth> how handy 20:09:21 <andythenorth> backloads = profit :D 20:09:30 <andythenorth> YACD ftw :P 20:10:38 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-160.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:11:10 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: Mutant Co-Op - C&C Renegade] 20:14:13 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-168.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-101-205.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:29:07 *** bdavenport [~bdavenpor@mail.companioncabinet.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:32:08 *** Ruudjah [~opera@86.93.109.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:33:36 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe30dc00-29.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20:35:37 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 20:39:15 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-17-237.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:39:27 <SmatZ> nice 20:39:58 <SmatZ> KDE 4.6 changed the order in which windows are switched when you use mouse wheel on the task bar 20:40:03 <SmatZ> to the more logical one 20:40:17 <SmatZ> now I am just confused, because I always switch in the wrong direction :p 20:41:12 <Eddi|zuHause> the last change to the task bar i noticed was horrible... 20:42:21 <Eddi|zuHause> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=262674 20:44:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't actually use the mouse wheel on the taskbar, though. so i haven't noticed any change there 20:44:48 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-17-237.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:46:58 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has joined #openttd 20:47:42 <SmatZ> interesting 20:47:52 <SmatZ> I didn't know you can have two rows in the taskbar 20:48:25 <frosch123> wasn't that the default at some point? 20:50:01 <SmatZ> right 20:50:07 <SmatZ> there are two rows in KDE 3.5 20:50:43 <SmatZ> I have been using 4.x on my main computer for so ong time I forgot how KDE 3 was better :P 20:50:44 <SmatZ> like 20:50:52 <SmatZ> there was usable desktop 20:51:03 <SmatZ> I don't have anything on the desktop in KDE 4 20:51:05 <SmatZ> ... 20:54:25 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-10-195.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 20:54:37 * andythenorth needs a pipeline :P 20:55:02 <frosch123> SmatZ: i guess i did not use kde 4 for more than 24 hours in total 20:55:09 * Rubidium hands andythenorth a pipeline from his CPU 20:55:26 <frosch123> do you have any spare ones? 20:55:42 <Rubidium> basically yeah :( 20:55:57 <andythenorth> thanks 20:55:58 <Rubidium> can't run both cores at full capacity at the same time for long 20:56:06 <andythenorth> it's not very good at moving oil to my dock though :P 20:56:34 <Rubidium> as then it'll happily go into overheat protection :( 20:57:04 <SmatZ> :x 20:57:27 <glx> tried cleaning or new thermal paste ? 20:58:20 <Rubidium> glx: not personally, but the guys(!) fixing stuff under warranty did 20:58:42 <glx> I don't call that fixing ;) 20:58:42 <Rubidium> guess I should bother calling them again 20:59:41 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-42-92.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:01:31 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:01:42 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffcf6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:42 * andythenorth wants to be able to pay a fee to an industry and have YACD roll a dice for changing destinations 21:01:55 <SmatZ> :) 21:02:57 <Yexo> andythenorth: that's too easily abused when you have competitors (either AI or multiplayer) 21:03:28 <andythenorth> true :) 21:04:22 <Rubidium> oh... good news... looks like they're not selling the model I've got anymore, then maybe I can get them sending me a comparable replacement model (hoping they think the same about comparable as me) 21:04:38 <Rubidium> s/comparable/similar/ ? 21:06:05 *** compi [~compi@77-22-129-86-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: don't they have some spare (or "repaired") in stock for replacement? 21:10:30 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 21:10:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 21:10:43 * andythenorth should really upgrade to latest YACD 21:10:45 <Rubidium> I hope not, as it's basically the model that's defective; it fails with getting out the heat 21:10:51 <andythenorth> but unpatching is always a hassle :P 21:19:11 <andythenorth> bed time 21:19:14 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-151-119-181.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 21:21:23 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:30:14 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-160.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:34:44 <Wolf01> 'night 21:34:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host249-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:37:37 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Juo] 21:40:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:42:16 <Yexo> playing with YACD is fun, but I find it totally impossible to transport all local passengers 21:42:55 <Yexo> I'm not using any newgrfs, so only the default buses are usable 21:44:29 <Eddi|zuHause> yep 21:44:45 <Eddi|zuHause> passenger generation is way too high 21:45:17 <Eddi|zuHause> (this was also true for any previous destination patch) 21:45:18 <Vikthor> I find it hard even with trams for large cities 21:45:42 <Eddi|zuHause> trams are ok, if you separate them with timetables properly 21:45:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i find inter-city trains much harder 21:46:01 <Yexo> seperating them without any autoseperation patch is too much work 21:46:18 <Eddi|zuHause> unless you build like a 6-line main track, with trains every 2 tiles 21:46:19 <Vikthor> Yes thats another problem, too much micromanagement 21:47:13 <Vikthor> to set up all lines to smallest villages and maintain them well serviced and profitable 21:48:13 <Yexo> making profit isn't hard at all, at least with passengers 21:48:22 <Yexo> haven't tried cargo yet, that's probably more difficult 21:48:36 *** DDR [~DDR@d99-199-10-67.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49:11 <Eddi|zuHause> FIRS cargo is pretty difficult, as initial production is fairly low in the first place, and then it's split up between several target industries 21:49:14 <Yexo> in every town I've connected so far I'm only transporting around 25% of all possible passengers, and my network is already overflowing 21:49:46 <Eddi|zuHause> airplanes are hopeless :p 21:50:03 <Chris_Booth> Airplane sucked in CargoDist as well 21:50:09 <Chris_Booth> since they where so fast 21:50:16 <Yexo> the capacity of airplanes is too low 21:50:20 <Chris_Booth> but couldn't handle the capacity 21:50:22 <Yexo> compared to trains 21:50:31 <Chris_Booth> even with A380s and big airports 21:50:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the airports block too much, planes spend most time circling 21:51:44 <Vikthor> Eddi|zuHause: I am playing with FIRS and I have failed to produce anything like working eceonomy with all the supplies and stuff needed, I make most money from pax and mail and some fish and food 21:52:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Vikthor: ignore the supplies at first, get the primaries connected to the secondaries 21:53:05 <Eddi|zuHause> then set up some sort of circular route with a train carrying supplies 21:54:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i mostly put a supplies wagon to the primary cargo trains right from the start, then i can send the roundtrip-train also to the secondary station and it will finally pick up the links 21:55:02 <Eddi|zuHause> so if i have like a livestock train, then i put a farm supplies wagon to it. it goes to the stockyard, drops off the livestock, picks up a share of the farm supplies, and goes back 21:55:02 <Vikthor> well, I probably selected too large map, without supplies primary production is too low and when split to several dests across map, I can't make enough profit on that(too far for RV, too low production for train) 21:55:41 <Yexo> adding a single supplies wagon to primary cargo trains is a good idea 21:55:56 <Eddi|zuHause> the ratio between primaries and secondaries is probably not right 21:58:49 <Chris_Booth> is YACD the big new thing then? 21:59:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i played a small map, 128x256, because with the prospect of no savegame compatibility, i wanted to get through the game quickly 21:59:28 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:12 <Chris_Booth> that has always annoyed me, why if I merge my branch into a new trunk will it not open an old brached saved? 22:00:32 <Chris_Booth> since the old trunk saves can be opened 22:00:38 <Chris_Booth> but not old branches 22:00:47 <Eddi|zuHause> Chris_Booth: because the savegame version is linear 22:01:10 <Eddi|zuHause> you cannot merge two history lines, you must choose one. either old branch or old trunk 22:01:40 <Chris_Booth> so old trunk + new branch would work? 22:02:05 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. if the patcher makes the effort. which they usually don't. 22:03:44 <Eddi|zuHause> the MiniIN had a system in place where it could load at least the last few branch versions and all trunk versions 22:03:49 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 22:03:55 <Eddi|zuHause> but it needs additional maintenence effort 22:04:20 <Eddi|zuHause> which is taken away the attention from developing the patch 22:04:34 <Eddi|zuHause> so the patch author can't be blamed for not pursuing it 22:04:54 <Eddi|zuHause> a patchpack author could do it. ChillCore tried with his patch pack 22:05:10 <Eddi|zuHause> as far as i can tell, he made a few mistakes inbetween, though ;) 22:05:40 <ChoHag> Can the horns from the Generic Cars GRF be turned off? 22:05:51 <ChoHag> Because bloody hell that's annoying. 22:06:01 <planetmaker> turn off all sound 22:06:03 <Eddi|zuHause> decompile the grf and remove them? 22:06:03 <Yexo> either turn all sounds off or don't use that grf 22:06:13 <ChoHag> Thought it might be something like that. 22:06:14 <ChoHag> :( 22:06:46 <Eddi|zuHause> did the readme tell anything about parameters? 22:07:36 * ChoHag shrugs 22:12:08 <planetmaker> should be the first thing to consult ;-) 22:14:23 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-184-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... 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