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00:02:13 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-17-237.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:10:18 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@92.9.239.180] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 00:12:33 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:13:14 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-9-197.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 00:13:31 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 00:17:58 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:23:25 <Eddi|zuHause> "opengfx+industries and industry-station-names are incompatible" <- probably one of the sets should get a check to disable 00:24:57 <Yexo> opengfx+industries has that check, but only since yesterday morning 00:25:51 <Eddi|zuHause> ok ;) 00:31:36 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host249-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:34:56 <Eddi|zuHause> "the first green party ministerpresident of Baden-WÃŒrttemberg Winfried Kretschmann gets two votes from the opposition during his election in the regional parliament" 00:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause> that's quite unusual 00:35:48 <Eddi|zuHause> there have even been cases where a ministerpresident wasn't elected because he lacked a few votes from his own party 00:36:35 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 00:38:21 <Eddi|zuHause> most notably in Hessen where Andrea Ypsilanti (social democrats) wasn't elected because she was too close to the left party 00:41:10 <Eddi|zuHause> the left party is kind of the evil communistic monster in german politics 00:41:41 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:43:47 <Eddi|zuHause> it consists to one half from the remnants of the former "social unity party" of eastern germany, and to the other half of former left wing social democrats which were discontent with the more "new middle" positions in the era of chancellor Schröder 00:44:27 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:45:48 <Eddi|zuHause> (the "social unity party" was forcefully joined between the east german social democratic and the east german communistic party under soviet rule after WWII) 00:47:48 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC38F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 00:52:35 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-195-129.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:53:10 <Eddi|zuHause> the left party is often the smallest of the 5 relevant parties in west germany, and the second largest in east germany 01:01:28 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:09:10 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:11 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 01:11:52 *** rhaeder1 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[~Andy@host86-137-40-33.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 07:51:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host249-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:54:16 <Wolf01> hello 07:57:49 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3449.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:57:52 <__ln__> how do you do 08:13:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-137-40-33.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:14:32 <Markk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8iftZ8CngA 08:14:32 <Markk> ? 08:20:20 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 08:28:18 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:33:48 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:07 <dihedral> http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html 08:40:11 <dihedral> morning ^^ 08:42:36 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 08:49:21 <planetmaker> :-D 08:49:24 <planetmaker> moin dihedral 08:49:45 <planetmaker> even though I resent the comparison 08:55:30 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:57:56 <dihedral> planetmaker, but it is rather creative :-) 08:58:19 <dihedral> i do not think the comparison is quite valid either - however i think they did make a very good job of their piece of 'art' :-P 09:02:49 <planetmaker> It's quite creative and I like it for that. Still the comparison is in a way 'inverted' 09:03:02 <planetmaker> The artistic job is well done. 09:03:19 <planetmaker> and I'm sure that it would also make good material for a satire programme or alike 09:03:42 <dihedral> :-P 09:03:51 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 09:03:59 <planetmaker> Especially given that this was directly authorized and supervised by a person awarded the nobel peace price previously... 09:06:39 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 09:08:31 *** compi [~compi@mail1.itout.de] has joined #openttd 09:10:35 <Eddi|zuHause> "rebels" - "terrorists"... not a lot of difference 09:11:03 <Eddi|zuHause> but the link doesn't load 09:12:45 <Eddi|zuHause> ... or at least veeeeeeeery slowly 09:20:58 <planetmaker> normal speed here 09:23:25 <Chris_Booth> planetmaker just the person I needed to talk to, I have found another bug in OpenGFX+ Trains. 09:23:27 <Chris_Booth> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7429567/UnCoop%2C%209th%20Jan%202014.png 09:23:43 <Chris_Booth> there is an image of it do you already know this bug? or shall I bug report it? 09:24:10 <Chris_Booth> the T.I.M and AsiaStar are missing half od there locos when on the diagonal 09:28:06 <planetmaker> Thanks, But that's already fixed in the nightlies :-) 09:28:19 <peter1138> heh, offset bug 09:28:25 <Chris_Booth> yes 09:28:33 <planetmaker> ignoring the (different) sprite height rather 09:28:48 <Chris_Booth> aaaah ok then planetmaker just wanted to check befor I made the report 09:29:01 <planetmaker> nah, it's really appreciated :-) 09:29:02 <Chris_Booth> I know how annoying it is to have same bug report more than once 09:29:27 <planetmaker> it's ok 09:29:35 <Chris_Booth> then I can blame V for loading an old version of openGFX+ 09:29:37 <planetmaker> better than not having it reported at all :-) 09:29:48 <planetmaker> No, you can't, I'm afraid. 09:29:55 <planetmaker> The fixed version is not available from bananas 09:31:40 <planetmaker> maybe I should just re-release it for that bug as it's quite ugly... 09:32:30 <planetmaker> but as no-one reported it yet... (you are afaik indeed the first!)... I didn't yet bother ;-) 09:32:48 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 09:38:23 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-137-40-33.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:38:44 <peter1138> who's V? 09:40:31 <Chris_Booth> peter1138 V453000, I was just to lazy to type it. he created the map 09:41:01 <peter1138> oh, opengfx+ 09:41:04 <peter1138> missed the + 09:41:25 <Chris_Booth> lol, he isn't in channel you tab autocomplete fails 09:45:09 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 09:50:00 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-9-197.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:57:08 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-108-44.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 10:10:13 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-108-44.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:10:39 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-33-177.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 10:12:22 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-33-177.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 10:12:50 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:19:13 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-33-177.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:55 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-222-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:31:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-137-40-33.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:43:03 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@92.9.239.180] has joined #openttd 10:46:46 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p54959235.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:53:20 *** aber [~Adium@HSI-KBW-078-042-126-203.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 10:54:01 *** aber1 [~Adium@HSI-KBW-078-042-126-203.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 10:54:01 *** aber [~Adium@HSI-KBW-078-042-126-203.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:01:26 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 11:02:06 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 11:02:11 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has left #openttd [] 11:03:19 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 11:07:43 <planetmaker> Chris_Booth, now you may complain why he didn't use ogfx+trains 0.2.5 :-P 11:16:03 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:19:32 <Terkhen> :) 11:20:14 <planetmaker> it's only one bug, but ugly to look at. I guess I should have released that weeks ago... 11:20:23 <planetmaker> especially as my current focus is elsewhere 11:21:55 <planetmaker> btw, does your problem with the map upload persist, Terkhen ? 11:22:01 <planetmaker> (just curious) 11:23:40 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:30:39 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:32:28 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:53:36 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7553:f2a1:c35d:9f40] has joined #openttd 11:53:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:59:02 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0.1/20110413222027]] 12:06:30 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:11:02 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-189-193.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:18:22 <Terkhen> planetmaker: yes 12:18:47 <Terkhen> I can't update two of my uploads, the other two work fine 12:20:37 *** ar3k [~ident@ecz129.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:20:52 *** ar3k [~ident@ecz129.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 12:20:54 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 12:23:46 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:29:59 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-65-135.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [] 12:45:35 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Juo] 12:55:36 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 12:57:09 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3449.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 13:01:51 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0497ba.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:11:14 <Belugas> hello friday! 13:12:07 <Eddi|zuHause> friday the 13th 13:12:30 <Belugas> who cares... it's a friday! 13:12:58 <Eddi|zuHause> better than monday, worse than saturday 13:14:01 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: *Finally*. 13:14:25 <glx> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0 13:15:40 <Eddi|zuHause> is that the friday song that everybody is talking about? 13:15:48 <glx> yup 13:16:30 <Eddi|zuHause> never actually heard it 13:16:42 <Markk> Don't listen to it. 13:16:43 <Markk> Please. 13:17:21 <Eddi|zuHause> my internets are too slow today for that anyway 13:17:42 <Terkhen> after reading what people says about it, I decided to not listen to it either 13:17:48 <Markk> :) 13:17:53 <Belugas> and my work@work schedule denies me the time frame to do so as qwell... 13:18:20 <Eddi|zuHause> you work too much ;) 13:26:13 <Belugas> i do, truely 13:26:27 <Belugas> but what to expect when you're good as me? ;) 13:40:44 *** compi [~compi@mail1.itout.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:48:42 <Eddi|zuHause> "one third of USA's nuclear power stations fails security test" 13:50:01 <Eddi|zuHause> "of course, all nuclear power stations are safe, NRC assures." 13:50:37 <Eddi|zuHause> idiots. 13:50:52 <Eddi|zuHause> more specifically: corrupt idiots. 13:53:51 <Terkhen> today I saw in the news that in the 80s they almost built a nuclear power station in the same place where the earthquake happened a few days ago 13:54:22 <Eddi|zuHause> "well, a heavy earthquake would not likely hit the same place twice" :p 13:55:29 <Terkhen> they were planning on building the same model used for the reactor 1 of Fukushima 13:56:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that's no surprise at all... there are only like 3 fundamentally different models 13:56:38 <Terkhen> "breaks on tsunamis", "breaks on earthquakes" and "breaks when it wants to"? 13:59:14 <Eddi|zuHause> no, "hot water", "pressure water" and "breeder" 13:59:19 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:59:31 <Terkhen> :P 14:01:08 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0497ba.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:02:06 <glx> as long as they don't use tchernobyl technology 14:02:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BCF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:02:57 <Terkhen> probably all models fit in the "breaks when you turn off security" category 14:03:05 <Terkhen> or was that finally proven as only a rumour? 14:03:37 <Eddi|zuHause> when "security" means "water pump", then yes... 14:06:56 <glx> but when the fail comes from control rods it's another story 14:11:27 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 14:19:21 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:50 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:31:40 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=946069#p946069 <-- that must be a bad joke... 14:33:19 <Terkhen> :D 14:40:19 *** APTX_ is now known as APTX 14:57:16 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecz129.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:31 *** ar3k [~ident@ecz129.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 14:57:32 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 14:58:46 * Belugas is having a blast adapting work application to Windows 7 system 14:58:47 <Belugas> bitch 15:00:43 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 15:00:48 <peter1138> hm 15:09:04 <glx> 7 is more compatible than vista 15:10:30 <peter1138> 7 is probably the best windows yet 15:10:51 <glx> xp was not bad 15:10:56 <peter1138> *nod8 15:10:58 <peter1138> vista was crap :D 15:11:15 <glx> I skiped ME and vista :) 15:11:21 <Terkhen> only xp and 7 can be considered for that distinction :P 15:12:04 <Terkhen> vista was barely an OS for me, and don't get me started on ME 15:12:25 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:12:28 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:13:43 <devilsadvocate> <peter1138> 7 is probably the best windows yet <- You know, its sad thats something that has to be said, and that a number of people would disagree 15:14:26 <peter1138> some people even like vista, yeah 15:15:53 <devilsadvocate> oh, i didnt mean it that way 15:15:54 <Terkhen> I could understand someone preferring xp, but vista? 15:16:05 <glx> maybe they didn't know xp 15:16:32 <devilsadvocate> i meant it in the way that 7 is the newest of the windows, the last one being over 3 years old, and is also consequently the most expensive, that one would expect it to be the defacto best 15:17:39 <peter1138> yeah, ME and vista are the reason it's not so clear cut :) 15:18:04 * peter1138 has cubicgrid -root running, hehe 15:18:19 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-205-63.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:18:38 <peter1138> xscreensavers in my root window? yes please 15:23:33 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-24-47.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:45 <peter1138> ooh, hypnowheel :) 15:24:54 <Belugas> problem is the freaking scaling 15:25:02 <Belugas> it screws all our forms 15:25:15 <Belugas> plus the security is very problematic 15:25:39 <Belugas> something that once ran on current user account now runs on system 15:25:43 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:25:50 <Belugas> and other joyfull stuff like that 15:26:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.165.202] has joined #openttd 15:26:23 <Belugas> and.. i deal on a daily basis with xp, vista and win 7. I by far prefer XP 15:27:01 <Belugas> but my prefered bands (apart Mogwai) are from the 80-90... 15:29:43 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.76.207] has joined #openttd 15:32:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.167.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:33:28 <glx> <@Belugas> something that once ran on current user account now runs on system <-- that's not normal 15:34:16 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:35:02 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2748.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:38:12 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:43:48 *** ZirconiumX [561b9caa@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:44:02 <ZirconiumX> hello all 15:44:19 <ZirconiumX> @seen LordAro 15:44:19 <DorpsGek> ZirconiumX: LordAro was last seen in #openttd 2 days, 20 hours, 14 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <LordAro> :) all in good time 15:45:44 <Alberth> yes 15:46:05 * ZirconiumX decides to make fun of LordAro's comment 15:46:15 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:46:16 <ZirconiumX> Will I see you again? 15:46:22 <ZirconiumX> <LordAro> :) all in good time 15:49:03 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.120.209] has joined #openttd 15:49:53 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 15:51:42 <Belugas> glx: i guess it's the fact that we've programmed most of our stuff in XP, we've never moved anything on vista. So now, we have to adjust to the new schemed 15:52:02 <Belugas> basically, we have a service that monitors some apps 15:52:08 <glx> vista is worse on that point 15:52:50 <Belugas> one of the reasons we did not moved on vista. and xp was stilla available. but when xp was not anymore, welll.. we had to adpat 15:52:53 <Belugas> and here i am 15:53:40 *** TWerkhoven [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:54:19 *** Doorslammer [770b0d6a@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:54:33 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.76.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:54:41 *** Lakie` is now known as Lakie 16:07:56 * Alberth welcomes Belugas to this channel at this time 16:08:33 *** aber1 [~Adium@HSI-KBW-078-042-126-203.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:13:45 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-33-177.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:17:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:19:45 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-33-177.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:20:31 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d8205c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:13 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:13 <Belugas> ho... thanks :) 16:22:17 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:39 <Belugas> i'm always there, i'm just... working and eating and swearing and watching ;) 16:26:08 * ZirconiumX is appalled at Belugas' bad language 16:26:49 <Belugas> you are? So you know what quebecor's swearing sonds like? 16:27:23 * ZirconiumX doesn't want to know 16:27:59 <Belugas> hehehe 16:47:15 *** Doorslammer [770b0d6a@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:58:48 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:26 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:03:27 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:09:09 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:14:46 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 17:15:02 *** Ruudjah [~opera@86.93.109.194] has joined #openttd 17:16:42 * Eddi|zuHause never understood why americans ever make such fuss about "bad" language... 17:17:50 <Eddi|zuHause> especially this bleeping on TV... 17:18:33 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:31 * Alberth never understood why German TV does not broadcast English movies in English either 17:22:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: it occasionally was done, but the channels would have to purchase additional broadcast rights 17:23:41 <glx> audience would be lower too 17:23:59 <Eddi|zuHause> especially for satellite broadcast, which is receivable in all of europe, this would be expensive 17:24:17 <__ln__> south park uses bleeping in some ironic sense 17:25:05 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: that's probably done in the german translation as well, but i haven't really followed south park 17:25:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i know there was an episode where they counted the number of "shit"s, but i don't remember if they used bleeping 17:28:43 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:38:18 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:12 * Belugas never understood why series are almost always in english on DVD, with subtitles (sometimes) 17:43:38 <glx> you're lucky 17:44:16 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:44:19 <glx> here they are often french only 17:44:41 <glx> but it's better now 17:44:45 <Belugas> but but but... I WNAT THEM IN FRNECH!!! 17:44:49 <Belugas> hem... 17:44:55 <Belugas> see how bad i am in english? 17:45:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r22446 /trunk/src/lang/ (english_US.txt finnish.txt serbian.txt): 17:45:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: english_US - 2 changes by Rubidium 17:45:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 2 changes by jpx_ 17:45:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: serbian - 2 changes by etran 17:46:21 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 17:47:23 <Eddi|zuHause> this would be way easier if the MAFIAA didn't force these region codes upon us 17:47:32 <Belugas> true, that 17:48:41 <Belugas> glx, the thing is, my wife does not understand english as well as i do. And there are some series where the actors are actually more mumbling than really speaking. So w both loose some dialogs 17:49:11 <Belugas> while when it's in french, even with the horrible french accent, we can still understand it all 17:49:40 <Belugas> note that the horrible french accent is most of the time 10 times beter then the quebec accent... 17:50:03 <Belugas> which feels like joe-from-the-deep-farms village kinda... 17:52:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22447 /branches/1.1/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 17:52:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [1.1] -Backport from trunk: 17:52:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Git revision detection would return too much when tags are involved (r22435) 17:52:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] When action14 specified different values for the palette, the values were OR-ed. Use the last set value instead (r22416) 17:52:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [Network] Kicking yourself via remote console crashes the server [FS#4606] (r22414) 17:52:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Make sure the action2 ID of a generic feature callback is valid (r22409) 17:55:13 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008ff2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:57:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22448 /branches/1.1/ (10 files in 4 dirs): 17:57:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [1.1] -Backport from trunk: 17:57:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] When GRFs are disabled via Action E or due to GRM failure, also display an error in the GUI (r22444, r22443) 17:57:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Do not popup fatal NewGRF error messages in the intro screen. The GRFs are not going to be activated there anyway and the GRF settings GUI will not display the errors either (r22442) 17:57:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Catenary was drawn incorrectly next to level crossings with foundations (r22437) 17:57:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Apply railtype property 12 (station graphics) also to station groundsprites from action 1 (r22436) 17:58:54 *** ar3k [~ident@ecz129.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 17:59:22 *** ndh [~opera@dslb-088-074-011-072.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22449 /branches/1.1/ (13 files in 5 dirs): 18:04:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [1.1] -Backport from trunk: 18:04:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Feature: [NewGRF] Allow to filter by town of the current industry when using industry variable 0x68 [FS#4591] (r22434) 18:04:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Change: Improve the speed of YAPF by tweaking hash tables size (r22351, r22350, r22348) 18:06:19 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecz129.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:53 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-33-177.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:30:55 *** foobar [93210a9a@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:31:14 *** foobar is now known as foobar___ 18:31:22 *** foobar___ [93210a9a@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [] 18:31:41 *** foobar___ [93210a9a@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:32:33 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-33-177.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:32:45 <foobar___> hi 18:33:05 <Terkhen> hi foobar___ 18:34:07 <foobar___> i'm unable to build a water tower anywhere (even in the city) in the sub-tropical climate, is that (known) bug? or can you confirm it? :) 18:34:29 <Eddi|zuHause> you must build it on top of a house 18:35:10 <Terkhen> what error are you getting? 18:35:12 <foobar___> ah, lol 18:35:37 <foobar___> why this is not mentioned in the error message or wiki? 18:35:59 <foobar___> it just says "it can be built only in the city" 18:36:45 <Eddi|zuHause> aye, could use a better explanation 18:37:20 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... updating kernel... can't possibly be a good idea... 18:37:55 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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20:09:10 <Rubidium> then you're screwed anyways 20:09:37 <Rubidium> as as far as I'm aware it won't actually load the NewGRFs properly 20:10:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't actually tried that... 20:12:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BCF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:57 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 20:14:34 <frosch123> night 20:14:36 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008ff2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BCF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BCF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:22:43 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... something's very wrong in konqueror... 20:23:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i just hit "submit" on a post, and told me there was a new post with the exact content i just submitted 20:23:56 <Eddi|zuHause> like, it sends every request twice 20:24:07 <Eddi|zuHause> because "view first unread post" doesn't work either 20:26:47 *** melwil [melwil@m174g.studby.ntnu.no] has joined #openttd 20:27:03 <melwil> hey, my friend is having a problem in 1.1, he can't build two way block signals! 20:27:11 <melwil> is that a common issue? -.- 20:27:29 <Alberth> no 20:27:32 <Terkhen> what is he trying and what problem is he getting? 20:28:09 <Alberth> convert button not depressed? 20:28:11 <melwil> exactly what it sounds like, he has a piece of rail, and when placing signals on it, he does not get the two way signal 20:28:27 <Alberth> what happens instead? 20:28:33 <Alberth> error message perhaps? 20:28:35 <melwil> he get one way or the other 20:28:38 <melwil> but never both 20:28:44 <Terkhen> are they really block signals? 20:29:11 <melwil> http://wiki.openttd.org/Signals#Two-way_signals <- 20:29:16 <melwil> this is unobtainable for him 20:29:18 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Signals#Signal_Interface 20:29:31 <Terkhen> that does not answer our questions :P 20:29:36 <Alberth> other signals work? 20:29:40 <melwil> yes 20:30:05 <Alberth> any NewGRFs loaded? 20:30:19 <melwil> afaik it's a clean install of 1.1, so no 20:30:42 <melwil> and signal gui is enabled 20:30:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BCF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:31:02 <Alberth> signal gui has nothing to do with it afaik 20:31:21 <melwil> you linked it, so I just asked =) 20:32:06 <Alberth> just making sure we agree on what a block signal is, and where you can find it. 20:32:43 <melwil> well, if it's a block or path signal isn't the issue, it's the two way lights that don't work 20:32:49 <Alberth> do you have a picture of the signal he gets? 20:33:14 *** SigHunter [~sighunter@pD955D10F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:33:16 <Alberth> path signals do not exist in two-way variant 20:33:32 <melwil> that's a good point 20:33:43 <melwil> I've not playedm uch since their implementation, sec 20:33:54 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:34:12 <melwil> yeah, that did it =) 20:34:40 <Alberth> ok :) 20:34:43 <melwil> thanks, sorry for not catching onto the "are they really block signals" question before now ;) 20:34:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B9B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:34:45 *** aber [~Adium@HSI-KBW-078-042-125-048.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:34:51 <SigHunter> is there a best practice to convert from rail to monorail? some way that will make it less time-consuming than doing it manually? (sell each train + create new one with same directions) 20:36:08 <Alberth> besides using 'clone train' I wouldn't know 20:36:20 <SigHunter> well clone train doesnt work 20:36:31 <SigHunter> i cant clone a train to monorail depot that is normal rail 20:36:33 <Alberth> only not with the first one :) 20:36:38 <planetmaker> but build one and clone orders 20:36:51 <TWerkhoven> auto-replace engines with universal engines 20:36:51 <Terkhen> IIRC there is a universal track NewGRF that should help with this issue, but I never tried it 20:36:54 <Alberth> planetmaker: good point :) 20:37:19 <TWerkhoven> once they are all changed, convert all track then autorplace to proper engines + carriages? 20:37:46 <Alberth> SigHunter: you can also build new routes instead of upgrading existing ones 20:37:50 <Terkhen> I don't play games long enough to reach monorail / maglev anymore 20:38:08 * Alberth also doesn't play that long 20:38:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B9B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39:12 <Terkhen> my longest game in a while was with yacd, and I stopped when I realized that if I connected the last big town remaining my network would collapse 20:39:55 <Alberth> I have yet to make a positive income with yacd :) 20:40:28 <Terkhen> hmm... I found it relatively easy with passengers 20:40:30 <Alberth> so far, I just go bankrupt very slowly :) 20:40:41 <Terkhen> in my last game I tried industries and I failed horribly 20:41:09 <SigHunter> hmm 20:41:17 <Terkhen> I still find wrong that coal wants to cross the complete country instead of going to the nearest power plant 20:42:06 <Alberth> my major puzzle is where to start 20:42:24 <Alberth> cargo wants to go in so many different directions 20:42:56 <Alberth> passengers too btw, but perhaps I should try that some more 20:43:30 * planetmaker plays that long. But I don't upgrade anyway 20:43:51 <Alberth> play with breakdowns enabled :p 20:44:04 <planetmaker> how would that change that? 20:44:11 <Terkhen> Alberth: I choose two big towns and connect them 20:44:27 <Terkhen> the local traffic + the traffic between them is usually enough to start getting a profit 20:44:29 <Alberth> then reliability becomes a factor in picking engines, and keeping up-to-date 20:44:37 <Terkhen> but I still failed the first two times :P 20:45:10 <Alberth> I tried the tropical climate, but that is hopeless, so many very small towns :p 20:45:23 <planetmaker> hm... yes. But still. I like rail more. If monorail or maglev... I usually give them separate networks. Or only upgrade to maglev single routes. 20:45:32 <planetmaker> Unless I build maglev in the first place :-P 20:45:45 <Terkhen> well, I was cheating... I was playing a scenario :P 20:45:52 <SigHunter> i usually skip monorail because when im done converting, monorail is out ;/ 20:46:10 <SigHunter> but thought i'd ask this time, maybe theres a golden way to do it like autoconverting to different trains 20:46:17 <Alberth> If I reach monorail/maglev, I also tend to build new routes 20:46:33 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 20:48:19 <Alberth> SigHunter: no, and afaik that's intentional. Otherwise the game gets very boring 20:48:50 <Alberth> ie you can upgrade by a few clicks then 20:49:24 <SigHunter> well.. 20:49:46 <SigHunter> not boring for me, its a large map, (2kx2k), i still have many industries to connect 20:50:06 <SigHunter> well, ill continue doing it the way i did 20:50:15 <Alberth> I always get lost on such large maps 20:50:36 <Alberth> how is 2kx2k different from eg 1kx1k ? 20:50:54 <SigHunter> well the savegames are 4 times as big ;D 20:51:09 <Alberth> is it any different than just making all routes longer and thus more profitable? 20:51:43 <SigHunter> well, yes, thats mostly the point 20:51:59 <SigHunter> but i like the fact to have something to discover 20:52:03 <SigHunter> that i havent seen yet 20:52:24 <SigHunter> completely new ground to make accessible 20:52:25 <Alberth> and 1kx1k is too small? 20:52:31 <SigHunter> no not too small 20:52:56 <SigHunter> its fine too 20:53:14 <Alberth> sorry, I am just wondering why you'd want to play 2kx2k 20:53:22 <SigHunter> mostly because i can 20:53:28 <Alberth> I have not found a good reason so far 20:53:37 <SigHunter> any reason not to? 20:54:34 <Alberth> mostly because I won't be able to cover a large part of the map by a long shot. 20:55:04 <Alberth> there are plenty of save games of immense maps, with just a few things connected. 20:55:17 <SigHunter> well most times im playing coop with a friend, starting in 1934, playing till 2070 20:55:28 <SigHunter> so enough time to connect all stuff 20:55:38 <SigHunter> with 2 hands working, makes building faster 20:55:46 <Alberth> yeah :) 20:55:50 <SigHunter> quite fun 20:56:05 <SigHunter> maybe i let him do the converting 20:56:09 <Alberth> that's why there is MP :) 20:57:12 <Alberth> 140 years is enough to cover a whole 2kx2k map with 2 people? 20:57:20 <SigHunter> well, depends 20:57:28 <SigHunter> not everything of course 20:57:34 <planetmaker> Alberth: I don't think so 20:57:36 <SigHunter> mostly we just do the cool stuff 20:57:45 <planetmaker> We (coop) build on 512^2 maps for centuries... 20:57:48 <SigHunter> farm -> factory -> goods 20:58:05 <SigHunter> passengers and wood 20:58:26 <Alberth> planetmaker: but you lay lots of track 20:58:36 <planetmaker> yes, we do 20:59:03 <Alberth> 2kx2k maps are mostly empty, long straight tracks across the map 20:59:04 <SigHunter> is there a way to modify buildingcosts / running costs on a progressed savegame? 20:59:28 <SigHunter> set everything to low and that sucks now 20:59:36 <Alberth> you'd have to start a new game 20:59:40 <SigHunter> ;/ 20:59:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 21:00:13 <Alberth> but you have an excuse to play more openttd, how can that be bad? :p 21:00:22 <Alberth> hai andy 21:00:48 <SigHunter> not bad at all ;> 21:00:49 <andythenorth> hello 21:00:57 <Terkhen> hi andythenorth 21:01:19 * andythenorth thinks he found a YACD bug 21:01:57 <andythenorth> when a link was temporarily broken, all the cargo waiting at an intermediate station....vanished 21:02:01 <andythenorth> over 1,000t of it 21:02:36 <Ruudjah> I am experimenting with breakdowns and multiple tracks for one direction - in the hopes to make more efficient tracks 21:02:44 <Alberth> it got stolen :) 21:03:13 <Ruudjah> So I make switches between tracks, so trains can move to another track when a train is jamming a track 21:03:37 <Ruudjah> but it causes some weird behaviour, I wonder if there are solutions for 21:04:14 <Ruudjah> e.g. when 2 tracks have 2 trains waiting before a switch 21:04:29 <Ruudjah> one train sometimes takes the other track 21:04:39 *** NOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-51-188.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:04:59 <Ruudjah> then after that, the other track is allowed a train. But that train wants to go on the other track _also_ 21:05:10 <Ruudjah> instead of staying on its own track 21:06:01 <Ruudjah> the train probably chooses the other track because its own track has a train on it while the other track is empty 21:06:17 <Ruudjah> penalty signals wont help 21:06:29 <Alberth> yeah, trains avoid each other 21:06:44 <Alberth> which is good for break downs :) 21:07:53 <Ruudjah> sometimes, but sometimes not 21:07:55 <Alberth> I tend to have long stretches of double track between such crossings 21:08:15 <Alberth> ie not so many crossings 21:08:40 * Terkhen has yet to build a serious junction 21:08:54 * andythenorth only builds flippant and amusing junctions :P 21:09:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:09:06 <Terkhen> mine are quite stupid :P 21:09:08 <andythenorth> they're great for parties, but not much good when real work needs doing 21:09:12 <Terkhen> heh :D 21:09:13 <Ruudjah> Currently I have them of length equalling about 1,5-2x train size 21:09:18 * Alberth just builds whatever fits in the terrain 21:09:21 <SigHunter> is there a way to change destinations for all trains in a group? 21:09:25 <andythenorth> the terrain is mutable :P 21:09:33 <Terkhen> SigHunter: if they share orders yes 21:09:38 <andythenorth> my browser is apparently mutable 21:09:45 <andythenorth> it just changed from 'working' to 'crashed' 21:09:55 <SigHunter> what does sharing orders mean? they all have the same orders, is that enough? 21:10:12 <andythenorth> changing orders for one will also change orders for all sharing 21:10:20 <Eddi|zuHause> shared orders also automatically change for all trains if you change one 21:10:45 <Ruudjah> Will automatic orders be able to be disabled anytime? 21:10:48 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-33-177.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:55 <SigHunter> kk ill try 21:10:59 <Eddi|zuHause> you make shared orders with ctrl+goto 21:11:05 <Ruudjah> various times I had some problems with them 21:11:25 <Ruudjah> few times even creating hundreds of orders in the list 21:11:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Ruudjah: unlikely, but some of the problems should be fixed 21:11:29 * andythenorth suggests renaming 'automatic orders' 21:11:40 <andythenorth> a change of name will fix 50% of players issues 21:11:48 <andythenorth> call them 'routing help' or something 21:11:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Ruudjah: if you still have problems with current trunk, please report them 21:12:05 <Alberth> Ruudjah: 10 train lengths or so 21:12:08 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-181-89.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:12:22 <planetmaker> andythenorth: how to call them? 21:12:25 <planetmaker> implicit orders? 21:12:39 <andythenorth> 'places I've visited' :P 21:12:41 <andythenorth> I dunno 21:12:54 * planetmaker likes implicit over automatic 21:13:19 <Ruudjah> http://imgur.com/w0SxF 21:13:19 <Alberth> Ruudjah: if trains just go from A to B, there is little need for them to switch tracks constantly I think 21:14:03 <planetmaker> that's not current trunk, is it Ruudjah ? 21:14:07 <Ruudjah> dunno 21:14:11 <Ruudjah> it's 1.1.0 21:14:23 <Ruudjah> dont know if there have been changes between trunk and 1.1.0 21:14:23 <Alberth> ancient :p 21:14:33 <planetmaker> :-P 21:14:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Ruudjah: i said "current trunk" for a reason... *headbang* 21:14:47 <planetmaker> there have been. or they'd be the same ;-) 21:15:08 <andythenorth> what happened to the recent daylength patch? 21:15:14 <Alberth> you can try a recent nightly to test whether they are still a problem 21:15:16 <andythenorth> the one that screwed with the calendar? 21:15:30 <Ruudjah> I ddnt save the game, so can't repro that screenie 21:15:35 <Ruudjah> I should have 21:15:36 <Eddi|zuHause> ask Wolf01 21:15:48 <andythenorth> my game goes by way too fast 21:16:02 <Ruudjah> in another matter, is it possible to have trains leaving station when another one comes in? 21:16:28 <Alberth> not on that condition afaik 21:16:35 <planetmaker> Ruudjah: yes. one-track stations ;-) 21:16:43 <Alberth> :) 21:17:33 <Ruudjah> not a good solution for me 21:17:48 *** NOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-51-188.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:17:48 <planetmaker> :-) 21:17:56 <Ruudjah> cause then trains need to wait unloading before the other one has left 21:18:15 <Ruudjah> I want to use it for stations where oil can be dropped+loaded 21:18:24 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-181-89.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:18:42 <Ruudjah> full train comes in, drops, starts loading, other train leaves 21:19:00 <Ruudjah> currently solve it by trains to wait for 15 days 21:19:05 <Ruudjah> works, but not optimal solution 21:19:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Ruudjah: timetables 21:19:21 <andythenorth> timetables are not good enough :P 21:19:26 * andythenorth has decided this 21:19:34 <Eddi|zuHause> you are right 21:19:42 * andythenorth is getting the hang of YACD now 21:20:01 * andythenorth thinks mainline trains running between large 'yard' stations does work 21:20:06 <Terkhen> I still don't know how to make timetables useful in a game 21:20:25 <andythenorth> Terkhen: well I have to use them with YACD because full load == fail 21:20:53 <Terkhen> I just let buses running without full load orders :P 21:21:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: buy a tram, make one round trip setting up the timetable, edit end station wait time +5 days, buy more trams, set the start date 5 days apart 21:21:17 <andythenorth> YACD is very interesting with freight once you have enough network nodes connected 21:21:31 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a little inconvenient, but it does work 21:21:35 <Terkhen> Eddi|zuHause: sounds useful... but quite tedious 21:21:41 <Terkhen> I did not know that you could change the start date 21:21:43 <Eddi|zuHause> without timetables, trams tend to bunch up 21:21:52 <andythenorth> with YACD you can run very large freight trains which tend to get at least partial loads both ways 21:22:05 <andythenorth> it's a little unrealistic :P 21:22:16 <andythenorth> I have wood going from A to B and B to A 21:22:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: the station start date is kind of the most minimalistic part of the timetable patches that actually got into trunk :p 21:22:58 * andythenorth has ideas for more exciting stuff 21:23:00 <Terkhen> andythenorth: that's my biggest problem with YACD and cargos 21:23:12 <andythenorth> Terkhen: I've decided not to worry about it 21:23:22 <andythenorth> clearly some wood is pine and some is oak or something 21:23:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i only had one of each industry, so i didn't get that luxury 21:23:47 <Terkhen> luxury coal? :P 21:24:00 <andythenorth> I haven't explored conditional orders much, they're a headache... 21:24:10 <andythenorth> ...but can they look ahead at cargo waiting at next station? 21:24:13 <Terkhen> anyways, the biggest problem is that I don't know how to build a network that deals with yacd cargos 21:24:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: there are different types of coal 21:24:35 <Terkhen> and power plants require a mixture of them? 21:24:35 <andythenorth> what I want is an order that says 'wait here until next station has x amount waiting OR load amount is now x' 21:24:45 <SigHunter> good night 21:24:49 <Terkhen> good night SigHunter 21:24:54 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I don't think they can check the next station 21:24:56 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: usually they are refitted for one or the other 21:25:04 *** SigHunter [~sighunter@pD955D10F.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 21:25:18 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-181-89.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:29 <andythenorth> I had a bonkers idea 21:25:30 <Eddi|zuHause> there's "brown" coal which has lower burn value, and "black" coal which has higher burn value. 21:25:31 <Terkhen> Eddi|zuHause: that's the problem I face; I usually start with coal, but with YACD I have to bring it to three different locations 21:25:39 <andythenorth> I don't know if my idea can be implemented, but anyway... 21:26:00 <andythenorth> each train has a max length, probably dictated by shortest station in orders 21:26:15 <andythenorth> each train has a set of power (US term) allocated, i.e. n engine units 21:26:22 <Eddi|zuHause> and each coal type has different by-mixtures like sulphur 21:26:35 <Eddi|zuHause> which the plant has to be refitted to handle 21:27:05 <andythenorth> at each station, the wagon consist is assembled on demand by TTD according to some rules - amount of each cargo waiting, payment rate for cargo etc 21:27:29 <andythenorth> the player has to maintain an overall 'pool' of each wagon type, but this could also be automated 21:27:53 <planetmaker> why would he have to maintain that? Just buy a frigging new wagon for each trip 21:27:54 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: great, where is your patch? :p 21:28:08 <planetmaker> fire and forget weapons exist. why not wagons? 21:28:15 <andythenorth> planetmaker: automated... 21:28:19 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: the chinese did that with containers 21:28:22 <andythenorth> could just be a billing item 21:28:39 <Eddi|zuHause> "why the hell would we ship back empty containers to china if it's cheaper to build new ones?" 21:28:59 <planetmaker> he 21:29:18 <Eddi|zuHause> china isn't that big on imports, you know :p 21:29:55 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: where is my patch? 21:29:58 <andythenorth> I can't see it 21:30:04 <andythenorth> is it over there? 21:30:07 <andythenorth> is it under there? 21:30:12 <andythenorth> I can't see my patch 21:30:18 <andythenorth> (game I play with my child :P ) 21:31:51 <Eddi|zuHause> great that it works on your child :p 21:38:09 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 21:42:08 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: Mutant Co-Op - C&C Renegade] 21:43:04 <Ruudjah> Is there an advantage of non-drivethrough truck/bus stops over drivethrough ones? 21:43:22 <Ruudjah> I never used them since like 0.5 or 0.6 21:43:39 <melwil> non-drivthrough doens't block traffic 21:44:05 <Ruudjah> for <3 waiting truvcks/buses, that is 21:44:22 <melwil> if you have other routes that are supposed to go through, a loading bus standing on a drive through will block all other traffic 21:44:23 <melwil> afaik 21:45:04 <andythenorth> non-drivethrough has higher capacity per tile 21:45:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Ruudjah: yes, vehicles will not get in each others way when one is finished loading and the other is not 21:45:55 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:45:57 <Eddi|zuHause> and they don't need a separate turn-around place 21:47:09 <Ruudjah> andythenorth non-drivethrough has higher capacity per tile < No! no. 21:47:24 <Ruudjah> drivethrough beats nondrivethrough by landslide 21:47:43 <Eddi|zuHause> a drivethrough can service 4 vehicles if used in both directions 21:47:49 <Ruudjah> drivethrough also dont need turnaround 21:48:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Ruudjah: then it needs separate entrance and exit roads 21:48:24 <Ruudjah> drivethrough in non-drivethrough config has higher cpacity, does not block 21:48:34 <Rubidium> non dtrs balances better unload load 21:48:41 <Ruudjah> So those advantages arent advantages 21:48:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B9B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:48:45 <Ruudjah> nope 21:48:46 <Rubidium> s/unload/under/ 21:49:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Ruudjah: yes, that does block 21:49:22 <Ruudjah> So.... there are no advantages of ndt 21:49:43 <Ruudjah> except when turning around at end of road is disabled 21:49:48 <Rubidium> there are 21:49:53 <Ruudjah> which? 21:50:27 <Rubidium> full loading one cargo can block loading of others 21:50:48 <Rubidium> in a drive through stop, but can't in non drive through 21:51:10 <Eddi|zuHause> unless you fill all bays with loading vehicles :) 21:51:10 <Ruudjah> A dt in ndt config behaves the same, but better as ndt 21:51:34 <Rubidium> nope 21:51:35 <Ruudjah> since no turning around 21:51:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Ruudjah: no, it does not. a dtrs will have two vehicles behind each other, and the second one can't overtake 21:51:49 <Ruudjah> true 21:51:58 <Ruudjah> but still - the capcity is not higher 21:52:10 <Ruudjah> since ndt force trucks to turn around 21:52:14 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody said that 21:52:21 <Ruudjah> yes 21:52:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 21:52:31 <Ruudjah> andy did 21:52:33 <Ruudjah> :P 21:52:38 <Eddi|zuHause> well, he has no clue :p 21:52:42 <Rubidium> with 4 vehicles you can completely block 4 drive through stops in 'ndt' config by full loading, whereas you need 8 when using only ndt 21:53:40 <Rubidium> maximum capacity of dt might be better, but there are certainly many cases where a ndt performs better 21:54:02 <Rubidium> *especially* with full loading multiple cargos at the same station 21:54:41 <Ruudjah> ok, so for dual/multicargo setups it might be 21:55:12 <Rubidium> or when full loading passengers when cargo has a destination 21:55:35 <Ruudjah> ok, so there are small advantages in corner cases 21:56:35 <Eddi|zuHause> not "corner cases", "usage scenarios" 21:56:54 <Ruudjah> Rubidium: whats the diff in max capacity and performance? 21:57:06 <Ruudjah> afaiac they are the same 21:57:13 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: actually, dtrs heavily benefit from quantum effects :p 21:57:51 <Ruudjah> corner case usage scenario's 21:58:04 <Ruudjah> :P 21:58:29 <Rubidium> Ruudjah: capacity is what it can, in theory, handle 21:58:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Ruudjah: if you only use coop-style networks, you'll never see certain scenarios. that doesn't make them "corner case" 21:58:38 <Rubidium> whereas performance is the amount you're using it 21:59:18 <Rubidium> e.g. capacity of a coal wagon is 25t, but on average you're using ~12t due to it travelling empty back to the loading station 21:59:38 <Ruudjah> well 21:59:50 <Rubidium> likewise a dtrs has a capacity of 4 loading half-tile vehicles, but it won't be loading 4 all the time 22:00:11 <Ruudjah> Eddi|zuHause: I understand, but above scenario needs quite some prereqs to come into existence. That makes it pretty cornercase 22:00:12 <Rubidium> actually, in case of full load it'll be half empty quite often 22:01:50 <Ruudjah> I have seen lots of ottd games, never saw that secnario 22:01:51 <Rubidium> really, is it such a corner case for using one station for loading grain and livestock? 22:02:28 <Ruudjah> ndts wont solve the problem well there 22:02:30 <Rubidium> then I've got the feeling you're not looking hard enough 22:02:41 <Ruudjah> admitted, they solve it better then one dt 22:03:09 <Ruudjah> but for most players enough problem to make 2 dts, put depot behind and use gotodepot orders 22:03:26 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-181-89.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 22:03:28 <Ruudjah> to not have two grain loading while livestock is waiting 22:03:51 <andythenorth> if you want to use articulated road vehicles it's a moot point anyway :P 22:03:53 <Ruudjah> except when you have 2 of each cargo 22:04:02 <Ruudjah> "articulated"? 22:04:11 <andythenorth> trucks with trailers etc 22:04:22 <Ruudjah> they cant use ndts? 22:05:21 <andythenorth> no 22:08:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B9B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:06 <Eddi|zuHause> the state machine can't handle them 22:09:53 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-181-89.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:44 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:16:04 <andythenorth> bed time 22:16:07 <andythenorth> good night 22:16:08 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 22:20:50 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:46 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-189-193.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: I bed now!] 22:30:42 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-181-89.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:03 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-181-89.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 22:34:43 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 22:43:29 <Terkhen> good night 22:46:55 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecy98.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 22:54:18 *** ar3k [~ident@ecz129.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:57:55 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe30dc00-29.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 22:58:48 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:37 *** TWerkhoven [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 23:08:43 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:11 *** aber [~Adium@HSI-KBW-078-042-125-048.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 23:40:17 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:40 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2748.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 23:46:02 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@92.9.239.180] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 23:50:24 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]