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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 06:08:28 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0497ba.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:16:39 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:21:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 06:23:00 *** andythenorth_ [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:24:14 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 06:24:43 *** andythenorth_ [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 06:29:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:33:07 <planetmaker> g'morning 06:35:25 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host86-137-191-8.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 06:37:19 *** LordAro|2 [~kvirc@host86-137-191-8.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 06:37:38 *** LordAro|2 [~kvirc@host86-137-191-8.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 06:39:16 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:39:47 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host86-137-191-8.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 06:40:03 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host86-137-191-8.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 06:44:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 06:45:57 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: is it auto-renew or auto-replace that would need to be taught to handle upgraded vehicles (same ID)? 06:46:50 <LordAro> moin 06:53:59 <peter1138> auto-renew, for same ID 06:55:39 <andythenorth> so lets say vehicle ID 01h has models A and B 06:55:49 <andythenorth> model B becomes available, it's faster, better stronger 06:55:56 <andythenorth> what next? 06:56:11 <andythenorth> how does the player choose to replace all A model with B model? 07:02:31 <peter1138> they can't 07:02:38 <peter1138> it'll happen if the vehicle gets autorenewed 07:03:42 <andythenorth> yarp 07:03:50 <andythenorth> well that already works :) 07:04:31 <Terkhen> good morning 07:04:34 <peter1138> so what's the issue? heh 07:04:45 <andythenorth> hi Terkhen 07:08:32 <andythenorth> peter1138: the issue is that Eddi|zuHause thinks that upgrading vehicles is annoying (same ID, new stats) 07:08:42 <andythenorth> because the older ones can't be auto-replaced to new 07:11:02 <Terkhen> how is that handled now? if an old vehicle goes to a depot it gets the stats of the new model? 07:11:19 <andythenorth> for auto-renew yes 07:11:23 <planetmaker> it's something which can't be forced. It only will happen, if the vehicle (automatically) replaces itself by a new version 07:11:26 <andythenorth> for auto-replace - not possible 07:11:35 <planetmaker> i.e. if it's too old 07:11:51 * andythenorth suggested a new cb, identifying vehicle models 07:11:59 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.15.171] has joined #openttd 07:12:04 <andythenorth> but that would complexify auto-replace somewhat :P 07:12:06 <andythenorth> ho pikka 07:12:12 <andythenorth> it's all pikka's fault anyway :D 07:12:36 <planetmaker> autoreplace / autorenew rather could be somewhat unified. It's very similar anyway 07:13:13 <planetmaker> but that's a boring task, I heart 07:13:24 <andythenorth> "autoreplace if reliability is <n" 07:13:31 <andythenorth> would be sometimes helpful 07:13:36 <pikka> auto remove pootis 07:14:14 <andythenorth> pikka: upgrading vehicle stats over time - does UKRS 2 do that? or just NARS 2? 07:14:19 <pikka> just "if old" would do me 07:14:45 <pikka> no ukrs2 I can think of 07:14:51 <planetmaker> [09:13] andythenorth "autoreplace if reliability is <n" <-- yes, that often would suffice 07:15:07 <pikka> just nars (and av8) 07:15:16 <andythenorth> av8 does it? 07:15:18 <andythenorth> I missed that :) 07:15:22 <andythenorth> HEQS does it 07:15:45 <andythenorth> I think the truck set I'm starting will do it 07:15:52 <andythenorth> can't see another way to avoid spamming buy menu 07:18:59 <pikka> Andy; yep, av8 has 2 generations of several aircraft 07:19:13 <pikka> and 3 Boeing 737s 07:20:08 <andythenorth> ok good 07:20:16 <andythenorth> that means you didn't decide the idea sucks :) 07:20:25 <andythenorth> might use it in FISH as well, not sure 07:20:47 <pikka> its a good idea only if theres no reason the player would want the older model 07:21:11 * pikka has a bus to drive 07:21:14 <andythenorth> hoo 07:21:18 <pikka> later chaps 07:21:25 <andythenorth> bye 07:25:04 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: how many models do you think you need?!? 07:31:19 <Eddi|zuHause> gtg 07:31:58 *** JVassie_ [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 07:34:55 <peter1138> andythenorth, the problem with doing it with a callback is you have to check the callback "all the time" 07:35:51 <peter1138> and i say, if the models actually have better specs, you should be using different IDs anyway 07:42:41 <andythenorth> meh 07:42:46 <andythenorth> that spams the buy menu :P 07:42:51 <andythenorth> imo 07:46:41 * andythenorth thinks the replace issue is over-stated 07:46:50 <andythenorth> and can be handled by set design 07:47:01 <planetmaker> it only spams the buy menu, if 'vehicles never expire' is turned on ;-) 07:47:11 * planetmaker always uses that, though 07:48:58 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:49:17 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC412F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:49:59 <andythenorth> me too 07:50:08 <andythenorth> otherwise clone can annoyingly fail 07:50:39 * andythenorth -> work 07:50:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 07:56:39 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 07:57:07 *** TWerkhoven [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:59:02 <planetmaker> http://imagebin.org/154178 <-- somewhat fences are wrong ;-) 07:59:58 <planetmaker> Yexo: is there a way to define the statemachine's offset wrt tile 0/0 (northern most) of an airport? 08:00:21 <planetmaker> currently it seems to like the south more 08:09:45 <peter1138> oh 08:10:00 <peter1138> the first large airport has 2 flashing yellow pixels where there shouldn't be... 08:10:08 <peter1138> (in opengfx) 08:11:18 <planetmaker> do you have a screenshot of which you mean? 08:11:19 <peter1138> just to the left of the control tower 08:11:26 <peter1138> yeah, making one :) 08:12:17 <planetmaker> :-) 08:12:41 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/opengfxairport.png 08:13:02 <planetmaker> ah, I see. Thanks 08:14:31 <__ln__> that red house is dangerously close to the end of runway 08:15:47 <planetmaker> they're used to 'noise concerns' :-P 08:16:04 <peter1138> yeah 08:16:16 <peter1138> well i don't know how they got planning permission, but it's their problem 08:16:20 <peter1138> it was built after the airport :) 08:16:32 <peter1138> all those houses were, in fact 08:19:58 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 08:23:10 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/opengfx-r668M.zip <-- if you want, there's a fixed version 08:26:11 <planetmaker> btw, reset_newgrfs also works with base sets 08:46:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 08:50:04 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 09:03:18 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 09:12:51 <pikka> Andy: I think some of the early game generational locos in hard should probably be split into multiple vehicles 09:13:05 <pikka> hard? 09:13:10 <pikka> nars 09:13:26 * pikka gets off the phone 09:13:34 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.15.171] has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 09:13:56 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 09:14:02 *** Pikka [~Figgy@d114-78-6-219.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:14:47 <andythenorth> pikka: maybe yes 09:14:48 *** Chrill [~Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 09:14:52 <andythenorth> but I like it generally as it stands 09:14:57 <andythenorth> can't talk now - work :| 09:15:25 <Pikka> ok 09:19:10 *** deus [~deus@193.190.130.128] has joined #openttd 09:19:13 <deus> morning 09:19:22 <deus> just checking out openttd. 09:19:51 <deus> Only thing I cannot find on your wiki: does the game have a campaign? 09:20:11 <deus> i.e. a little story line, objectives to accomplish etc 09:20:15 <Chrill> it does not, deus 09:20:23 <Chrill> I prefer to set up my own personal goals 09:20:30 <Chrill> "I want to connect this city to this in 50 years" 09:20:36 <Chrill> or "I want to make this much money in this amount of time" 09:20:55 <deus> Chrill: hm ok. that's a pitty :( 09:21:31 <Chrill> It's an open-ended game, which means you also never "finish" a game :) 09:21:44 <Chrill> unless, of course, you consider connecting every city a finish 09:23:21 <deus> still I hope they add some kind of campaign. Games like simcity, or other tycoon games usually have a free-build mode, or a campaign or at least achievements :) 09:23:29 <deus> but I guess that's a matter of personal taste 09:23:59 <Chrill> Absolutely 09:24:16 <Chrill> I see the attraction of achievements 09:24:22 <Chrill> it gives you.. well, a sense of achievement :P 09:24:28 <deus> exactly :) 09:25:11 <deus> I just love the 'You are victorious' messages ;) 09:27:44 <Terkhen> there is one at 2050 09:28:14 <deus> Terkhen: ah nice 09:28:51 <Terkhen> http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Company_rating 09:29:22 <Terkhen> it is a somewhat boring goal, though, most players do what Chrill said 09:29:24 <deus> any plans to add achievements or 'levels' in which you have to accomplish certain objectives in a given setting i.e. make a profitable railway system in a mountain area, etc? 09:29:36 <Terkhen> there are no plans for that 09:30:56 <planetmaker> though openttd can accept well worked-out patches 09:31:24 <planetmaker> the general concensus - as far as I see - is, that a scenario framework wouldn't hurt. But lots of work 09:32:03 <deus> planetmaker: a scenario's would be great. No need for a real story line. 09:32:18 <planetmaker> well. We DO have a scenario editor 09:32:44 <planetmaker> The "problem" is, that after the start, the scenario is 'just' another normal map. Without special goals or so 09:32:51 <Terkhen> a scenario framework would allow to set goals for each scenario, but besides a few ideas there are no work and no plans in that direction 09:33:00 <planetmaker> The only thing a SE editor currently can do is to set goals by simply stating them 09:33:12 <planetmaker> what Terkhen says, yes. 09:33:34 <peter1138> what can squirrel access? 09:33:51 <peter1138> could a scenario framework 'just be' a squirrel script... 09:34:09 <peter1138> mind you, then people would complain that a simple scenario is too much work to set up 09:34:11 <deus> planetmaker: ah well, hopefully it's added at some point, but it's still great to see such a great game being reworked :) 09:34:35 <Terkhen> AIs can access a lot of stuff, but I don't know how much of "other companies information" they can check 09:34:40 <planetmaker> peter1138: in principle yes. The other option is a modified / extended admin port 09:34:53 <peter1138> i prefer a built-in system 09:34:58 <planetmaker> ais can't now. But... 09:35:33 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 09:44:07 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/airports.png <-- one additional view... 09:50:38 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 09:54:50 *** Chrill [~Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 10:01:25 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:03:40 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:05:47 *** Amis [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 10:08:14 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host86-137-191-8.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: "Time is an illusion. 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Can you help me understand how the basic station (scroll down almost to the end of the page) setup works in http://wiki.openttd.org/Signals 11:33:52 <Noldo> basic two-way? 11:34:02 <anujmore> Yeah 11:34:10 *** Chris_Booth_ [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:34:27 <Noldo> looks like there are 2 sets on one-way tracks comming to the station 11:34:50 <Noldo> all signals have to be pathbased for that to work 11:35:05 <anujmore> I find it really confusing. 11:35:10 <anujmore> There should be more examples on signals. 11:35:32 <Noldo> you have to make them then 11:36:00 <anujmore> I surely will. But not before I myself understand signals :P 11:36:10 <Chris_Booth_> anujmore there are more examples, but you have to remember the wiki.openttd.org is a wiki 11:36:29 <Chris_Booth_> wiki.openttdcoop.org has alot of good signaling advise 11:37:55 <Eddi|zuHause> there are more examples of signals here http://uwe.s2000.ws/ttdx/ and here http://kokolokus.de/?s=blog&v=6 11:39:19 <anujmore> Eddi|zuHause: I checked kokolokus before 11:39:23 <anujmore> Checking other links now. 11:59:24 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:20e1:4ed1:edc3:98d2] has joined #openttd 11:59:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:08:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:11:12 *** anujmore_afk [~atm@triband-mum-59.182.106.191.mtnl.net.in] has joined #openttd 12:14:49 *** anujmore [~atm@triband-mum-59.182.52.212.mtnl.net.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:15:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A727.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:21:06 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-021-243.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:29:26 <ChoHag_> Why can't the linux openttd read zip files? 12:29:52 <glx> windows version can't either 12:30:00 <ChoHag_> Really? 12:30:04 <Terkhen> really 12:30:10 <ChoHag_> So why is everything apparently distributed as a zip? 12:30:22 <ChoHag_> Also: Why not? 12:30:29 <Terkhen> I don't know what files are you talking about 12:30:38 <glx> grfs are distributed as tar 12:31:38 <ChoHag_> I've definitely downloaded things in a zip before. 12:31:44 <ChoHag_> The Open*x things, for one. 12:32:14 <ChoHag_> But why can't it read zips? What was the rationale behind that decision? 12:32:26 <Terkhen> why should it read zips? 12:32:40 <ChoHag_> Because everthing and its dog reads zips. 12:33:00 <__ln__> I can't read zips either, i use some program to uncompress them first. 12:33:09 <ChoHag_> You clearly don't have a dog. 12:33:10 <Terkhen> you know what I meant... what's the benefit of reading zips? 12:34:26 *** Pikka [~Figgy@d114-78-6-219.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:34:39 <ChoHag_> Random access, and it's effectively the standard archive format for everybody except Richard Stallman and has been since the dawn of time. 12:35:16 <Terkhen> your reasons are quite vague, I fail to see why "everyone does it" is a benefit 12:35:28 <glx> lzma is better :) 12:35:34 <Terkhen> that too :P 12:35:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 12:35:49 <Belugas> hello 12:35:51 <Terkhen> hi Belugas 12:36:06 <ChoHag_> I don't personally care. My archive software can copy with everything. 12:36:10 <TWerkhoven> if thats a valid reason, openttd should have an internet brower too, after all, everyone uses it 12:36:13 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host230-208-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:36:25 <ChoHag_> I am wondering what the rationale behind not supporting it, as it is so ubiquitous, is. 12:36:27 <Wolf01> hello 12:36:48 <Belugas> hello sir Terkhen,hello sir Wolf01 :) 12:36:52 <Terkhen> I still don't know what files are you talking about, scenarios? AIs? base sets? 12:36:55 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 12:37:03 <ChoHag_> Never mind. 12:37:21 <Belugas> supporting what? 12:37:54 <Wolf01> mmmh, looks like webring redirects my homepage to the ring... 12:38:11 <Terkhen> Belugas: files compressed in zip, but I don't know which ones 12:38:27 <Belugas> ho 12:39:01 <Belugas> who cares about the format, as long as it's compressed :) 12:39:06 <Terkhen> IIRC everything besides AIs is already compressed 12:42:26 <Belugas> the thing is, as long as memory serves, zip is not as efficient (size/speed) as current compression 12:43:20 <peter1138> why not write a patch to support it? 12:47:14 <planetmaker> Belugas: quite right. 12:47:28 <planetmaker> the (default) xz gains by 20% iirc 12:48:34 <peter1138> Terkhen, what's compressed? 12:49:11 <Terkhen> savegames/scenarios, newgrfs (although I don't know how much), heightmaps 12:49:25 <planetmaker> content_download uses gz afaik. savegames xz (by default). But configurable via config file 12:50:39 <Terkhen> in content_download I only have plain tars, are they extracted after download? 12:50:57 <glx> yup 12:51:01 <Belugas> good question, to which i don't have anser 12:51:06 <Terkhen> good :) 12:51:07 <Belugas> ho well :) 12:53:38 <planetmaker> that's why we had broken tars when zlib 1.2.3_4.(?) was floating around ;-) 12:53:57 <planetmaker> uncompression after download ate the last chunk 13:02:55 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:06:56 <Eddi|zuHause> <ChoHag_> Random access, and it's effectively the standard archive format for everybody except Richard Stallman and has been since the dawn of time. <-- then i must be from beyond the dawn of time, since i remember everybody's standard archive format being ARJ 13:07:25 <Eddi|zuHause> that may have been 20 years ago, though :p 13:07:57 <Terkhen> ARJ was the de facto standard before the dawn of time, yes :P 13:10:20 <Rubidium> ChoHag_: maybe because zip isn't a standardised format, nor is it 100% clear that the format isn't patent/copyright/trademark encumbered 13:11:08 <Rubidium> whereas tar is standardized 13:12:39 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:13:56 <ChoHag_> Hmm what's this + sign next to some engines, and which newgrf did it come from? 13:14:25 <Terkhen> do you have a screenshot? 13:15:15 <ChoHag_> You mean you don't KNOW? 13:15:49 <ChoHag_> Bah I always mix up select and crop... 13:17:07 <Terkhen> it should be obvious from before that I'm quite bad at guessing 13:17:23 <ChoHag_> http://imagebin.org/154216 13:18:14 <Eddi|zuHause> it's likely the UKRS addon 13:18:27 <ChoHag_> Any idea what it's doing? 13:18:30 <ChoHag_> I didn't see a readme. 13:18:39 <Ammler> what does grfcodec use to compress, btw.? 13:18:50 <Ammler> could be changed to lzma too, maybe :-) 13:19:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it adds engines that were left out for game balance reasons 13:19:05 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:19:06 <Yexo> only real sprites are compressed 13:19:12 <Yexo> the actionsprites are not compressed at all 13:19:28 <ChoHag_> Eddi|zuHause: Where 'it' == the GRF, or the engines with a +? 13:19:39 <Yexo> Ammler: it uses LZ77 13:19:56 <Eddi|zuHause> ChoHag_: yes. 13:20:15 <ChoHag_> OK that's an 'or' question, you can't say 'yes'. 13:20:23 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 13:20:38 <Ammler> Yexo: which lib does openttd use to uncompress or is that own code? 13:20:44 <ChoHag_> Also, on compression, I'm sorry I asked, but I *did* just ask why the choice was made, not propose that a better/worse one be made instead. 13:20:46 <Yexo> own code 13:21:46 <Eddi|zuHause> ChoHag_: the choice against zip is for the reasons Rubidium mentioned above 13:21:55 <Rubidium> compression sucks when you need to jump back and forth though a file very often, so we use an uncompressed format 13:22:17 <Eddi|zuHause> the choice against compression at all is for access speed/code complexity reasons 13:22:52 <Rubidium> and... OpenTTD already needed zlib for compressing the savegame, so decompressing .gz is trivial without extra dependencies 13:23:12 <Rubidium> whereas for zip it requires adding extra libraries 13:23:20 <Eddi|zuHause> compression is only used for seldom tasks like downloading or saving/loading. reading grf content is a frequent task 13:24:57 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0497ba.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:25:34 <ChoHag_> The cargo payent rate for alcohol in FIRS is wrong. 13:25:39 <ChoHag_> It should go up with time. 13:25:56 <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p 13:28:35 <Terkhen> heh :D 13:40:01 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-103-90.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:46:18 *** ndh [~opera@dslb-088-074-023-198.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:46:20 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-49-224.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:48:07 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-79-113.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:52:20 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-103-90.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:52 <Belugas> maybe because andythenorth put his fantasy of cheap alcohol in FIRS :) 13:59:03 <Prof_Frink> Or maybe because you're transporting it, not buying it. 13:59:08 <Prof_Frink> (Too realistic?) 13:59:33 <Belugas> qute :) 14:01:25 *** anujmore_afk [~atm@triband-mum-59.182.106.191.mtnl.net.in] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:01 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:10:50 <planetmaker> hm, defining a whole airport anew is a lengthy task... 14:17:19 <Yexo> which is why I haven't finished airportsplus yet :) 14:18:51 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Juo] 14:19:38 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 14:20:24 <Belugas> ask Richk :) 14:20:33 <Belugas> he'll do it in a five minute flat hehe 14:26:19 *** TWerkhoven [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:33:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.162.232] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:36:03 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43:17 *** TWerkhoven [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:45:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.162.232] has joined #openttd 14:45:54 <Belugas> mmh... next vewrsion of our main app is going to be 5.7.7 SS 14:46:24 <Belugas> i have 2 out of 3 bosses that are jews. i wonder if i should not skip that version.. 14:47:18 <planetmaker> did you skip the others, too? 14:48:18 <Ammler> if you skip it, you might need to explain why, that is worse 14:48:31 <Belugas> which ones? 14:49:06 <Ammler> else SS is just a version 14:49:13 <Terkhen> 5.7.6 SS for example 14:49:58 <Belugas> true that, Ammler (explaining part) 14:50:17 <Belugas> ho.. i unserdatnd, planetmaker. no, since that letter scheme was not in place back tehn 14:50:19 <Belugas> then 14:50:43 <planetmaker> Belugas: also not for SA? 14:51:06 <Belugas> ? 14:51:31 <Ammler> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung 14:51:33 * Rubidium would argue that a large percentage of two and three letter acronyms are insulting tome 14:51:46 <planetmaker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung 14:51:54 <planetmaker> :-) 14:52:01 <planetmaker> Ammler was faster 14:52:01 <Ammler> planetmaker: fix your client lag :-P 14:52:09 <planetmaker> rather layer 8 lag 14:52:17 <Belugas> heheh SA is too regional for us ;) 14:52:18 <planetmaker> paste, enter, read back ;-) 14:53:10 <Ammler> Belugas: if the English wikipedia uses the German word, it isn't regional, imo 14:53:39 <planetmaker> nope. SS was part of SA 14:54:43 <Belugas> well... i meant that for most of north americans, SS is known while SA is not. You have to be somewhat connected. 14:54:43 <planetmaker> dunno, I think the worst thing is the sissors in the head and to 2nd guess everything 15:02:32 <peter1138> leave a bug in it 15:02:42 <peter1138> so that there'll have to be a quick fix to ST 15:03:01 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe383.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:05:09 <Ammler> :-) 15:05:19 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host86-137-191-8.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:30 <Belugas> hehehe 15:13:32 <Belugas> good point :) 15:18:26 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B1050B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:26:36 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:27:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6A269.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:28:32 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 15:30:41 * andythenorth is having a belugas day with respect to people saying 'in real life it would work like this...' 15:33:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.162.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:33:47 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:35:24 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 15:36:25 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 15:38:38 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/airports.png <-- :-D Obviously the fences are wrong ;-) 15:38:58 *** Chris_Booth_ [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:51 *** deus [~deus@193.190.130.128] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:44:51 <Belugas> obiwan strike? 15:44:58 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:45:23 <Belugas> andythenorth, behead them, they are not worth living! 15:47:46 <planetmaker> also... that's the small heliport for the REALLY BIG helicopters it seems ;-) 15:53:07 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.153.139.143] has joined #openttd 16:00:20 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:43 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:01:42 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe6ade00-79.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:08:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe383.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:17 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:09:42 <Belugas> wahhh!!! 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I can't quite figure out eggs yet 18:50:16 <Yexo> no idea what that is exactly, so I don't know 18:50:19 <andythenorth> :) 18:50:22 <andythenorth> me neither 18:50:31 <andythenorth> it has setup.py which seems to be one of the main criteria 18:50:46 <Yexo> setup.py is because it uses setuptools 18:51:17 <andythenorth> yup 18:58:07 * andythenorth reads internets 19:02:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-104-122.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:09:35 *** SliGo [~sligoman@178.207.51.158] has joined #openttd 19:14:38 *** SliGo [~sligoman@178.207.51.158] has left #openttd [] 19:21:52 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.153.139.143] has joined #openttd 19:21:52 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has joined #openttd 19:27:41 <Alberth> eggs are evil 19:28:26 <Eddi|zuHause> evil eggs for evil persons... no wait, something isn't right there 19:28:48 <Alberth> Yexo: distutils already has setup.py, the other build program copied that idea 19:29:36 <Yexo> right, distutils it was 19:30:09 <Alberth> they all try to be 'better', and failed, as they enter the domain of package managers 19:30:29 * andythenorth tries to figure out if we'd need to move nml files around to suit buildout convention 19:31:04 <Alberth> that would be an indication of a broken build/packaging(?) system :) 19:31:13 <andythenorth> maybe 19:31:17 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@borealis.jontysewell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:25 <andythenorth> buildout is approximately as broken as anything else 19:32:22 <Alberth> so no reason to use buildout? :p 19:32:31 <andythenorth> :P 19:32:36 <andythenorth> no reason not to 19:33:24 <andythenorth> the only reasons not to are (a) I can't figure it out (b) no-one else is that interested :P 19:34:30 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@borealis.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 19:34:57 <andythenorth> I intended to start BANDIT yesterday and have now been diverted into this 19:38:43 *** sliddy [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 19:38:43 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:31 <sliddy> damn stuff 19:41:32 <Alberth> your ISP is too optimistic w.r.t. line stability :) 19:41:54 <andythenorth> hmm 19:42:05 * andythenorth is puzzled 19:48:35 <Alberth> anything I can do to unpuzzle you? 19:48:57 <andythenorth> help me figure out buildout? 19:49:34 <andythenorth> http://www.buildout.org/install.html 19:49:39 <andythenorth> http://jacobian.org/writing/django-apps-with-buildout/ 19:49:51 <andythenorth> I have used buildout many times, but never created one 19:50:07 <andythenorth> I've modified the tutorial to pull down PIL and PLY, but that's trivial 19:50:17 <andythenorth> pulling in nml from the repo baffles me 19:52:19 <Alberth> hmm, it uses setuptools 19:52:23 <andythenorth> yup 19:52:29 <andythenorth> and there's a setup.py already 19:53:10 <andythenorth> last night I put nml in /src and added it to the eggs list, and the buildout didn't freak out 19:53:28 <andythenorth> but I don't know nml works wrt paths etc 19:54:13 * andythenorth is trying to use a packager he doesn't understand to package a module he doesn't understand :) 19:56:17 <Alberth> the nml directory must be findable in the python module search path, and nmlc is a program 19:56:47 <Alberth> ie must be in a PATH directory 19:58:47 * andythenorth googles how to check that 19:58:58 <andythenorth> ho 19:59:19 <andythenorth> I think buildout can set that (if a local python is provided) 19:59:35 * andythenorth wonders whether a local python is wise for nml or not 20:00:00 <Alberth> but doesn't the distutils setup.py handle that? 20:00:12 <andythenorth> possibly 20:00:16 <andythenorth> I am out of my depth 20:02:32 <Belugas> so... you are on your surface? 20:03:01 <Alberth> it looks incredible complicated at first sight. 20:03:52 <andythenorth> Alberth: "So this work weâre doing up front now can be seen as a one-time expense against all the time all your future contributors would otherwise have to spend getting up and running." 20:03:55 <andythenorth> to quote 20:04:06 <andythenorth> it took two hours to install nml yesterday 20:04:51 <andythenorth> and if a buildout can be made to work, each newgrf project can buildout nml for the user along with the project 20:06:50 <Alberth> so why not use pip? http://www.pip-installer.org/en/latest/ 20:07:10 <Alberth> pip is considered much better than easy_install by #python 20:07:30 <Alberth> (I have not worked with pip either) 20:07:43 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 20:08:04 * andythenorth reads 20:11:40 <andythenorth> hmm 20:11:51 <andythenorth> either way nml will need to be an egg as far as I can see 20:13:24 <andythenorth> maybe I should go and draw some trucks 20:13:28 <andythenorth> I am not good at this stuff 20:18:12 *** Amis [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:56 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-14.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:22:55 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 20:23:05 <ChoHag_> Is it possible to refit part of a train without using an intermediary engine? 20:23:27 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:27:00 <Rubidium> Yes, not quite sure which manner is supported by the stable release, nightlies and possibly *the* patch 20:30:15 <ChoHag_> Ah you can click on the cars. 20:31:16 <ChoHag_> Didn't even see the train icon up there. 20:31:53 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 20:40:53 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:45:49 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-14.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:49:51 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 20:58:33 <andythenorth> hmm 20:58:38 <andythenorth> truck capacities 20:58:43 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 20:58:51 <__ln__> http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,763954,00.html 21:01:02 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: can't be worse that a shipload of sulphuric acid leaking... 21:03:49 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 21:03:49 *** George is now known as Guest1673 21:03:49 *** George|2 is now known as George 21:05:49 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host86-137-191-8.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:08:49 *** Guest1673 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:54 <andythenorth> going by UK law, the most a large rigid truck can carry is about 18t 21:10:09 <andythenorth> eGRVTS is quite...generous 21:10:28 <Eddi|zuHause> that's where articulated trucks come in 21:11:15 <Eddi|zuHause> update trucks by running cost (fuel consumption) instead of capacity 21:11:45 <andythenorth> I want to avoid articulated trucks in BANDIT initially 21:12:07 <andythenorth> I don't like the available implementation 21:12:32 <andythenorth> although it might be ok for a 'UK' flavour 21:13:31 <andythenorth> what's a nice range of sizes? 21:13:45 <andythenorth> 6/12/18t 21:13:52 <planetmaker> well, does it hurt to go up to 30t or so for a vehicle w/o articulation? 21:14:02 <planetmaker> after all... realism ;-) 21:14:09 <Eddi|zuHause> HEQS already has that 21:14:23 <andythenorth> only for bulk cargo 21:14:51 <andythenorth> it hurts in a YACD game 21:14:57 <andythenorth> well...hurts is wrong 21:15:06 <andythenorth> more just I need a range of trucks 21:16:10 <planetmaker> I don't argue against a range of trucks. But 18t as max is quite low 21:16:26 <planetmaker> maybe 6 / 18 /30 or so 21:16:58 <planetmaker> or maybe 5 / 15 / 25 is better 21:17:05 <planetmaker> then there'll be incentive for AV later on 21:17:19 <planetmaker> which then can go up to 40 21:17:27 <andythenorth> hmm 21:17:47 <__ln__> http://www.kval.com/news/local/121962009.html 21:17:50 <andythenorth> it's odd (but might be right) that we increase truck capacity, but decrease train capacity 21:17:51 <planetmaker> hm, my heliport now nearly looks like a city airport :-) 21:18:37 <Eddi|zuHause> 5, 15 for normal trucks, 25 and 40 for articulated trucks 21:19:16 <Eddi|zuHause> from 1920 to 1970 increase speed, after that, decrease running cost 21:19:40 <andythenorth> 40 is high for uk / eu 21:19:42 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.181.153] has joined #openttd 21:19:55 <Eddi|zuHause> new generation every ~15 years, makes 1920, 1935, 1950, 1965, 1980, 1995, 2010 21:20:00 <andythenorth> what's the gameplay benefit of over-sized trucks? 21:20:19 <Eddi|zuHause> 7 generations of trucks 21:20:27 <Terkhen> you need less trucks to cover the same route 21:20:29 <andythenorth> e.g. gameplay purpose of undersized wagons is to make longer trains 21:21:53 <andythenorth> should I just implement a size parameter immediately? 21:22:03 <andythenorth> rather than repeating same argument for next n months? 21:22:17 <andythenorth> @calc 18*1.5 21:22:17 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 27 21:22:22 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.153.139.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:21 <andythenorth> @calc 25/18 21:23:21 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 1.38888888889 21:23:25 <andythenorth> hmm 21:23:39 <andythenorth> @calc 5*1.4 21:23:39 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 7 21:23:44 <andythenorth> not too bad 21:24:00 <Eddi|zuHause> www.eisenbahnstiftung.de/bg/pics/3100.jpg <-- vehicles in vehicles ;) 21:24:12 <andythenorth> my first train set featured that 21:25:18 <andythenorth> I was thinking capacity multiplier for HEQS as well 21:25:20 <andythenorth> (smaller) 21:26:54 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: every 15 years is about right 21:27:04 <andythenorth> but I want a little more variety than that 21:27:16 <andythenorth> I think I can solve your niggle with upgrades 21:27:27 <Eddi|zuHause> you can have the variety with the different capacity models 21:27:39 <andythenorth> I'm planning multiple manufacturers 21:27:57 <andythenorth> I like how pikka sets offer multiple similar vehicles 21:28:03 <andythenorth> the choice is interesting 21:28:08 <Eddi|zuHause> so you'll have like three roughly same models at the same time? 21:28:15 <andythenorth> or two might be enough 21:28:32 <andythenorth> but they'll have different IDs, and I'll stagger who releases improved models when 21:28:47 <andythenorth> so you can flip back and forth to latest greatest with auto-replace 21:29:05 <andythenorth> but not spamming buy menu too much 21:29:09 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure what that means 21:29:45 <Eddi|zuHause> one annoying problem with "upgrades" is that you won't get notifications that it is available 21:29:52 <andythenorth> true 21:29:54 <andythenorth> hmm 21:29:58 <andythenorth> can't solve that 21:30:09 <andythenorth> can solve your other problem 21:30:15 <Terkhen> nobody likes road vehicles anyways :P 21:30:15 <andythenorth> I'll take 1 out of 2 21:30:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm already annoyed that it's not available for wagons 21:30:18 <Terkhen> or at least the small ones 21:30:31 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: patch? :P 21:30:42 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123 made a patch for that, afair 21:31:05 * andythenorth thinks maybe a 'model' cb might not be so stupid... 21:31:32 <frosch123> something was horribly broken with that patch 21:31:40 *** Lakiev2 [~Lakie@82.152.167.73] has joined #openttd 21:31:54 <andythenorth> cb is only used when grf is initialised 21:32:01 <andythenorth> returns n dates 21:32:12 <andythenorth> dates correspond to generations / models 21:32:28 <andythenorth> must be in order 21:32:39 * andythenorth is not good at spec 21:33:22 <andythenorth> could be used to announce upgrades 21:33:24 <Chris_Booth> lol cb highlights me 21:33:28 <SmatZ> :D 21:33:29 <Chris_Booth> and I was like WTF 21:33:49 <andythenorth> and it was like beep beep beep 21:33:55 <Chris_Booth> yes 21:34:04 <Chris_Booth> I may have to take that off my list 21:34:07 <andythenorth> in that case I'll go to sleep :P 21:34:16 <andythenorth> BANDIT can wait 21:34:18 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.181.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:18 * SmatZ wishes andythenorth good night 21:34:23 <andythenorth> bye SmatZ :) 21:34:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 21:34:59 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: maybe the solution could be the same as what i proposed previously for "regearing" refits: decoupling the subcargo bits from actual cargo, so you can refit without any cargo 21:35:08 <SmatZ> late Eddi is lat 21:35:10 <SmatZ> e 21:35:16 <Eddi|zuHause> damn 21:35:29 <Eddi|zuHause> it's annoying when he does that... 21:35:54 <Thorn_> sleep? ;p 21:36:48 <SmatZ> don't even mention that word :p 21:37:50 <Terkhen> suddenly saying bye and dissapearing? :P 21:41:01 <Eddi|zuHause> around here it's called a "blitzquitter" :p 21:41:09 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.84.25] has joined #openttd 21:42:08 <Terkhen> :D 21:43:18 *** Lakiev2 [~Lakie@82.152.167.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:48 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.84.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01:26 *** heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:33 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 22:09:39 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host86-137-191-8.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: "Time is an illusion. 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