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Lunchtime doubly so."] 08:39:15 *** andythenorth_ [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 08:40:41 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:41:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r22481 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Fix: compilation with recent GCC 08:47:16 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:59:43 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009edc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:02:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host230-208-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:03:25 <Wolf01> hello 09:09:57 <frosch123> morning 09:11:15 <Terkhen> hi frosch123 and Wolf01 09:15:55 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 09:21:36 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Juo] 09:22:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C029.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:25:12 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host86-137-191-8.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:30:03 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 09:30:23 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 09:58:41 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 365/2.5 09:58:41 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 146 09:58:58 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 255*2.5 09:58:58 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 637.5 10:02:35 <frosch123> @calc 256/74 10:02:35 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 3.45945945946 10:03:22 <frosch123> @calc 250/74 10:03:22 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 3.37837837838 10:04:33 <frosch123> @calc 184/74 10:04:33 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 2.48648648649 10:04:42 <frosch123> maybe we should turn those into constants 10:05:03 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 185/74 10:05:03 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 2.5 10:05:29 <frosch123> morning obiwan 10:06:06 <Eddi|zuHause> not the first ;) 10:11:42 <peter1138> hmm, large airports are silly on a 256x256 map 10:11:42 <peter1138> so... 10:11:54 <frosch123> they are silly on any map 10:12:17 <peter1138> possibly not with 75%+ sea level 10:22:54 *** sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:23:00 *** JVassie_ is now known as JVassie 10:28:31 *** sbound_ [~sbound@50C5475F.flatrate.dk] has joined #openttd 10:31:59 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@host-92-8-65-148.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 10:39:31 *** Chris_Booth_ [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:40:07 <frosch123> cool, there is a limitation of one lumber mill triggering sound effects 10:44:53 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 10:47:02 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:48:27 *** Amis [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:52:43 *** afk [~Dream@92.18.100.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:15 *** Amis [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 11:11:09 *** SigHunter [~sighunter@pD955BE4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:11:33 <SigHunter> how can i set forbid_90_deg = false with rcon on a dedicated server? 11:11:58 <Terkhen> rcon password "set forbid_90_deg false" IIRC 11:12:52 <SigHunter> thx Terkhen 11:14:11 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has quit [Quit: end of the world] 11:15:42 <SigHunter> is it possible to increase the max loan more than 500000? setting max_loan = 1500000 in config didnt help 11:16:24 <SigHunter> (and interest to >4%?) 11:17:48 *** tty234 [telex@anapnea.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:18:07 <Terkhen> using "set setting" without a value will tell you the minimum and maximum values 11:23:22 <SigHunter> k max is 500k 11:23:25 <SigHunter> :/ 11:26:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22482 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Codechange: Add some contants for the number of ticks between certain cyclical tasks. 11:27:43 *** sbound_ [~sbound@50C5475F.flatrate.dk] has quit [Quit: I never quit!] 11:28:05 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-110-148.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [] 11:30:50 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has joined #openttd 11:34:20 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:34:36 <peter1138> hmm 11:34:42 <peter1138> right, starting a new game 11:34:49 <peter1138> yacd of course :D 11:36:19 <peter1138> hmm, problem i find with cities is they often start too big to place stations nicely 11:36:59 <Eddi|zuHause> you place stations outside the city and build a tram system as feeder 11:37:05 <peter1138> no newgrfs 11:37:07 <peter1138> so no trams 11:37:16 <Eddi|zuHause> then use busses ;) 11:41:24 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 11:43:45 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone ported the passenger reduction patch yet? 11:44:06 <Alberth> @seen anyone 11:44:06 <DorpsGek> Alberth: anyone was last seen in #openttd 19 weeks, 2 days, 19 hours, 16 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <anyone> hi 11:44:47 <Eddi|zuHause> almost as lazy as someone... 12:00:39 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 12:02:18 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:55 <peter1138> hmm 12:08:56 <peter1138> now 12:08:59 <peter1138> shall i start big 12:09:05 <peter1138> or start "as needed" 12:09:21 <Rubidium> as big as eventually needed 12:13:47 *** SigHunter [~sighunter@pD955BE4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 12:13:56 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3ce1:dede:83c3:fa6] has joined #openttd 12:14:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:14:32 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 12:30:25 *** ndh [~opera@dslb-088-073-086-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:34:49 *** ndh [~opera@dslb-088-073-086-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 12:38:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm reluctant to touch daylength patches :/ 12:44:10 <Rubidium> so you just touch the sprinkles 12:44:28 <Eddi|zuHause> "Internet latency significantly spiked since Syria replaced DSL with donkeys" 12:48:25 <Eddi|zuHause> breaking news: sony hacked http://twitpic.com/50h06f 12:49:36 <Rubidium> news? 12:52:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: but "just touching the sprinkles" would include gathering all changes that ChillCore has done in his patchpack, which were not backported to the original patch 12:53:16 <Eddi|zuHause> changes of the form "use ORIG_DAY_TICKS in in function XYZ" 12:56:40 <Wolf01> continue the development of mine, I don't touch day_ticks, I just stretch the visualised date 12:58:22 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4A91.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 13:10:31 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... the only change of that kind i can find is in cargodist 13:14:57 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw3-ffa8c300-33.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:22:19 *** Chat6855 [byrbdl@app3.chatmosphere.org] has joined #openttd 13:22:39 <Chat6855> hello 13:23:47 <Chat6855> my name's pauline i'm a french girl and i look for a person who'd like learn me english.. 13:24:40 * planetmaker strongly advises to use a channel dedicated to general chatting or language studies then 13:24:51 <planetmaker> hello folks 13:25:25 *** Chat6855 [byrbdl@app3.chatmosphere.org] has quit [] 13:28:11 <Eddi|zuHause> am i the only person who gets suspicious immediately after someone said "i'm a girl" on irc? :p 13:32:51 <peter1138> well, there's sacro... 13:33:09 <Alberth> hello planetmaker 13:47:56 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-47-188.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:48:00 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.152.167.220] has joined #openttd 13:53:11 *** tty234 [telex@anapnea.net] has joined #openttd 13:53:58 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-79-113.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:22 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-119-111.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:58:26 <Eddi|zuHause> *mental note* don't have a , instead of a ; in a .h file 13:59:34 <glx> depends where 14:03:08 <Eddi|zuHause> where one causes an error and the other doesn't ;) 14:03:23 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... daylength does something very evil with settings 14:04:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the original line is: SDTG_CONDVAR("daylength_factor", SLE_UINT8, 0, 0, _date_daylength_factor, 1, 1, 255, 1, STR_CONFIG_SETTING_DAYLENGTH_FACTOR, NULL, 130, SL_MAX_VERSION), 14:04:35 <Eddi|zuHause> when i port that to settings.ini, i get: /home/johannes/spiele/OpenTTD/trunk_clean/objs/setting/table/settings.h:332:1: error: âdaylength_factorâ was not declared in this scope 14:05:50 *** SliGo [~Miranda@178.207.38.112] has joined #openttd 14:06:13 <Eddi|zuHause> http://pastebin.com/pUMRXtjQ <-- this is what i wrote 14:06:46 <Eddi|zuHause> according to this template: SDTG_VAR = SDTG_VAR($name, $type, $flags, $guiflags, $var, $def, $min, $max, $interval, $str, $strval, $proc, $from, $to), 14:07:31 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, i see... i might be missing the "" 14:08:04 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... doesn't work either 14:09:31 <Eddi|zuHause> the "" are stripped during generation of settings.h 14:10:01 <Eddi|zuHause> if i add them manually, it works 14:10:07 <Eddi|zuHause> well... "it compiles" 14:10:13 <SliGo> fine 14:12:45 <Eddi|zuHause> aha. works when i use double "" 14:13:52 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 74*8/30 14:13:52 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 19.7333333333 14:14:02 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 74*8/33 14:14:02 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 17.9393939394 14:29:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 14:30:40 *** ndh [~opera@dslb-088-074-009-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:36:18 *** amkoroew1 [~Heinz@p5B1038C6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:39:55 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:41:32 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B1050B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:53:31 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:55:17 *** SliGo [~Miranda@178.207.38.112] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Thus it is being disabled and so my 4 RVs have 0mph max speed. 16:09:45 <weirdy> Is there anyway to remove them? 16:09:55 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 16:10:26 <Eddi|zuHause> have you tried updating heqs? 16:10:49 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10:49 <weirdy> yes, I've got HEQS 1.1.0 and it doesn't seem to change the RVs 16:10:53 <Terkhen> the current HEQS is probably not savegame compatible with such an old version 16:10:59 <weirdy> indeed 16:11:08 <Terkhen> weirdy: which version of OpenTTD are you using? 16:11:12 <weirdy> 1.1.0 16:11:50 <Eddi|zuHause> weirdy: you could also try decoding your old heqs with grfcodec, run nforenum over it, and encode it again 16:11:52 <Terkhen> do you have realistic acceleration for road vehicles enabled? it forces a minimal speed of 1 km/h, that should let you to take them to a depot 16:12:14 <weirdy> ah, that may work Terkhen, thanks 16:12:33 <Terkhen> it will not fix broken HEQS in your game, though... you should update your NewGRFs for your next game 16:13:01 <weirdy> odc 16:13:10 <weirdy> *ofc, and thanks for the setting tip :D 16:13:21 <peter1138> damn it 16:13:33 <peter1138> do we really need to see all these queried from messages by default? 16:13:37 <peter1138> (dedicated server) 16:14:01 <planetmaker> weirdy: HEQS does NOT change vehicles. It just ADDS vehicles 16:14:21 <weirdy> right, and? 16:14:48 <peter1138> pedanticism ;) 16:15:01 <Terkhen> what probably happened is that his savegame was made with a previous version of OpenTTD... now loading of "broken" NewGRFs is more restrictive and HEQS was disabled, letting the existing HEQS vehicles broken 16:15:01 <weirdy> no pedantry meant 16:15:42 <weirdy> also, what Terkhen said 16:15:43 <Terkhen> HEQS 1.1.0 does not have that problem, and it also fixes and adds lots of stuff 16:20:34 * andythenorth goes to the moon 16:20:38 <andythenorth> on a spoon 16:21:01 <andythenorth> quiet here today 16:21:21 <andythenorth> probably because there is no andythenorth_monologue 16:21:56 <andythenorth> did someone release vehicles in vehicles already? 16:23:00 <weirdy> vehicles in vehicles? 16:23:57 <Vikthor> hey andythenorth, I've been trying the new FISH, the small tug is really very handy with yacd, good job! 16:24:25 <andythenorth> there's more in the works 16:24:30 <andythenorth> I'm waiting on graphics 16:25:16 <peter1138> well, i got distracted by multistop-docks 16:25:35 <peter1138> now i built an airport network 16:25:38 <peter1138> but run out of money :S 16:25:51 <weirdy> seriously now, vehicles _in_ vehicles? 16:26:42 <peter1138> like trucks on trains 16:26:47 <peter1138> or trucks and trains on ships 16:26:53 <Eddi|zuHause> like trains on trucks 16:26:55 <andythenorth> I'd take multi-stop docks as an interesting challenge in game 16:26:58 <weirdy> there a topic for it? 16:27:12 <andythenorth> multi-stop breaks my infinite capacity ship routes :P 16:27:15 <Eddi|zuHause> www.eisenbahnstiftung.de/bg/pics/3100.jpg 16:27:46 <andythenorth> Vikthor: in my test FISH I have a 12t boat and a 52t boat, they're both useful for YACD 16:27:55 <andythenorth> there's also a 50t hovercraft that I need to paint :P 16:29:08 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: without multistop-docks there is no reason to use 800 passenger ferries over 200 passenger hydrofoils for really large capacity 16:29:29 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I found that in my YACD game 16:29:39 <weirdy> What do you mean by multi-stop, exactly? 16:29:45 <andythenorth> if you're not using full load, why not just run the biggest possible ship? 16:29:48 <andythenorth> hmm 16:29:53 <andythenorth> even with multi-stop, same applies 16:30:29 <peter1138> andythenorth, it doesn't, per se 16:30:47 <andythenorth> :o 16:30:59 <Eddi|zuHause> weirdy: have only one ship being able to load at a dock, so you need multiple docks at the same station 16:31:12 <weirdy> :o That would be awesome 16:31:27 <peter1138> multistop is the term used for multiple road stops 16:31:31 * andythenorth would happily test multistop patches 16:31:48 <andythenorth> the alternative is tediously moving highlight and shadow pixels from one side of a boat to the other 16:31:52 <andythenorth> due to lighting mistakes :P 16:31:59 <andythenorth> for another 8 or so boats 16:32:21 <peter1138> http://i.imgur.com/mqlKD.jpg 16:33:18 <Eddi|zuHause> wikipedia is noethersch? 16:34:02 <Eddi|zuHause> and confluent? 16:35:31 <peter1138> it's true 16:35:57 <andythenorth> seems a bit tautological 16:37:16 *** weirdy [~SkeedR@94-193-221-98.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 16:39:47 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... doesn't work here... 16:40:09 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i've gone through grammar, maths, physics, biology, logics... but not philosophy 16:40:20 <andythenorth> you just haven't clicked enough :P 16:40:25 <andythenorth> it will be in the last place you look 16:40:45 <peter1138> what did you start with? 16:41:01 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, indeed, got there :) 16:42:13 <frosch123> someone has a savegame for me, with the map being filled with newgrf-provided stations? :) 16:42:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i started at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imparfait which was one random wikipedia page from my internet history 16:42:46 <peter1138> ah, german wiki 16:42:47 <frosch123> i.e. i need a testgame for profiling drawing speed of newgrf stations 16:43:22 <andythenorth> while (not philosophy): keep clicking; 16:43:26 <andythenorth> :P 16:43:42 <Eddi|zuHause> but it took like 30 steps 16:44:47 <Eddi|zuHause> which is like more than if you'd say "i am related to <historic figure> through X steps" 16:45:14 <andythenorth> 6 degrees? 16:45:39 <Eddi|zuHause> no, the 6 degrees rule only applies to people alive at the same time :p 16:45:53 <andythenorth> it's not 6 anyway 16:46:05 <andythenorth> 6 was just the shortest path in the the experiment 16:46:13 <andythenorth> many nodes failed to find onward links 16:46:19 <planetmaker> frosch123: what should the test comprise of? 16:46:29 <Eddi|zuHause> yep, either "6" or "not at all" 16:46:39 <planetmaker> I think we have a few PublicServer games which could do the trick under some assumptions 16:47:03 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: but for historic figures you have to account for the number of generations inbetween 16:47:04 <planetmaker> just custom stations? But... filled with... rather not ;-) 16:47:29 <andythenorth> this is not a bad book: http://www.amazon.com/Nexus-Worlds-Groundbreaking-Theory-Networks/dp/0393324427/ref=pd_sim_b_6 16:47:41 <frosch123> planetmaker: i want to measure the time to make a giant screenshot with a savegame that would actually allow measuring whether drawing speed of stations would change 16:48:01 <andythenorth> this is better (but much thicker): http://www.amazon.com/Critical-Mass-Thing-Leads-Another/dp/0374530416/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1305996460&sr=1-1 16:48:17 <frosch123> i'll try with psg200 16:48:18 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the trick is an exponential growth of number of relatives, which at some point exceeds the total world population 16:48:31 <andythenorth> hmm 16:48:46 <andythenorth> this is a really good book: http://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Cooperation-Revised-Robert-Axelrod/dp/0465005640/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1305996489&sr=1-1 16:48:53 <andythenorth> there are german versions ;) 16:49:14 <planetmaker> frosch123: 132 16:49:41 <planetmaker> or 125 16:49:55 * andythenorth goes back to pixels 16:50:09 <andythenorth> or as they call them in cornwall, piskels 16:50:32 <Chris_Booth_> quick question, to do with magicbulldozer; if I enable it and build towns and the towns grow towards each other, will the towns delete each other? 16:51:36 <planetmaker> or 99 :-) 94 or 90 16:52:15 <frosch123> you are using a lot of default stations though :p 16:55:55 <peter1138> Chris_Booth_, yes 16:55:59 *** SliGo [~Miranda@178.207.38.112] has left #openttd [I'm a happy Miranda IM user! Get it here: http://miranda-im.org] 16:56:07 <peter1138> probably 16:56:43 <Chris_Booth_> lets hope they don't or I may have to get it turned off in the current PSG 16:59:43 <Eddi|zuHause> Chris_Booth_: don't ever enable magic bulldozer while the game is unpaused 17:00:03 <Chris_Booth_> Eddi|zuHause I know don't worry 17:00:13 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 17:00:38 <planetmaker> frosch123: also in the mentioned games? 17:00:55 <frosch123> yes, but i am just trying them all :) 17:04:09 <planetmaker> 132 only uses very few 17:06:34 <frosch123> hmm, maybe it is better to just fill a new map with some stations... 17:07:14 <planetmaker> few? 17:07:18 <frosch123> he, alt+1 does not work in non-debug builds 17:07:24 <frosch123> planetmaker: the ratio matters :) 17:07:51 <planetmaker> hm, ok. not newgrf stations / total stations but newgrf stations / map area, eh? 17:08:17 <frosch123> yeah :) 17:09:06 <planetmaker> well... stations are usually not what makes up most of a network ;-) 17:09:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm afraid i have no game with a "majority" of tiles being station ;) 17:09:56 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: non track tiles would suffice :p 17:10:06 <planetmaker> :-D 17:10:19 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 17:10:39 <Eddi|zuHause> and half of my games would not be trunk-loadable 17:10:41 <Rubidium> rondje! ;) 17:11:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, let admiralai build some stuff ;) 17:11:31 <Rubidium> rondje is better, as it built as much stations as it could in the competition 17:11:50 <Eddi|zuHause> also newgrf stations? 17:12:01 <Rubidium> not quite 17:12:24 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has joined #openttd 17:14:55 <frosch123> hmm... will smatz hate me for slowing down station drawing by 4% ? 17:15:22 <Eddi|zuHause> he'll be joyful for having something to optimise :p 17:15:37 <Rubidium> frosch123: not if the rest of the game became 50% faster ;) 17:15:50 <frosch123> (actually 4% on the whole map, so actually a lot more) 17:18:13 <Zuu> You could write an AI that fill the entire map with eg. NewGRF coal stations wherever it is possible. 17:18:43 <Zuu> (given that you use cheats to give it money) 17:20:28 <peter1138> frosch123, smatz doesn't use newgrf (iirc) so he won't care ;) 17:22:19 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: not cheats, basecost mod 17:25:18 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:25:34 <planetmaker> frosch123: what do you change to slow down drawing of them? 17:26:46 <frosch123> planetmaker: drawing extended sprite layouts required additional processing which i cannot skip for stations without duplicating more code than i want 17:27:42 <frosch123> but something is wrong with my profiling... 17:31:46 <planetmaker> he 17:33:45 *** Wolf03 [~wolf01@host223-159-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:33:45 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest1740 17:33:46 *** Wolf03 is now known as Wolf01 17:36:24 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:36 *** gartral [~gareth@ip184-189-215-49.cl.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:37:08 <gartral> hey guys is there a way too start the game with an option to autograb the opengfx.grf? 17:37:37 <planetmaker> gartral: windows has an installer which can do that 17:37:44 <gartral> planetmaker: linux? 17:37:58 <planetmaker> many linux have a package manager which, when sensibly configured and used by their maintainers will do that, too 17:38:20 <planetmaker> or at least tell you to also select the opengfx package 17:38:47 <frosch123> what distribution has no opengfx package? 17:38:52 <gartral> planetmaker: well i'm not on a common distro, i'm playing around with building one up from the bootstraps.. all from source.. 17:39:03 <gartral> frosch123: a home-brew linux 17:39:13 <Thorn_> LFS ? 17:39:18 <planetmaker> gartral: well. so... :-) Then you're used to installing everything from scratch 17:39:23 <frosch123> well, then you also need to build opengfx from source, don't you? :) 17:39:43 *** Guest1740 [~wolf01@host230-208-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:47 <planetmaker> hg clone http://hg.openttdcoop.org/opengfx && cd opengfx && make install 17:39:49 <gartral> planetmaker: i was hoping not too. for this one step. but.. oh well 17:40:25 <gartral> frosch123: yep, just kinda hoping openttd had it easy.. 17:40:31 <planetmaker> but you might just download it and unzip it into ~/.openttd/data 17:40:34 <frosch123> well, either download it, or build it 17:41:41 <frosch123> or /usr/share/games/openttd/data 17:41:48 <planetmaker> or there 17:41:55 <gartral> frosch123: just as an idea.. you should add that functionality into the game engine, i know it can grab updates once the base opengfx.grf is collected 17:42:28 <planetmaker> gartral: just an idea: it cannot display a single character without that base set. Thus it cannot communicate with you and ask for permission and whereabouts and so on 17:42:36 <frosch123> it makes no sense to put it into the game 17:42:46 <frosch123> it needs installing in /usr/share/games/openttd/data 17:42:54 <frosch123> which is the job of a package manager 17:43:59 <gartral> planetmaker: no need too be rude 17:44:18 <planetmaker> ah, sorry. didn't mean to. 17:44:46 <planetmaker> my humor sometimes doesn't carry it seems 17:44:59 <Thorn_> Well, I found it humourous atleast :) 17:45:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r22483 /trunk/src/lang/dutch.txt: 17:45:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 2 changes by Parody 17:45:25 <gartral> hmm.. i can't seen too build nforenum.. 17:45:36 <planetmaker> gartral: grfcodec 17:45:55 <planetmaker> that package contains nforenum (meanwhile) 17:46:00 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0e4b3.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:46:12 <gartral> planetmaker: is that a make target? 17:46:24 <Rubidium> boost! 17:46:42 <planetmaker> gartral: grfcodec is a separate one. And that needs indeed boost. And libpng is better used, too 17:46:44 <gartral> Rubidium: have boost 17:46:59 <Eddi|zuHause> never really understood what grfcodec/nforenum need boost for... 17:47:10 <gartral> mercury link please? 17:47:11 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: ask Dalestan ;-9 17:47:19 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: some date related stuff IIRC 17:47:43 <planetmaker> http://hg.openttdcoop.org/grfcodec ? 17:48:10 <Rubidium> oh, and lambda stuff 17:48:33 <planetmaker> gartral: I consider it quite ambitious to compile also the base set yourself, if you just want to play the game :-) 17:48:57 <planetmaker> http://www.openttd.org/download-opengfx is much quicker for sure ;-) 17:50:11 <gartral> planetmaker: maybe, but i'm having fun with compilation 17:50:28 <planetmaker> I figured :-) 17:51:26 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: also some weird multimaps or so 17:52:22 <gartral> well.. I got my base environment up with kernel, busybox, and drivers from a chroot... transfered that too the /boot of my target machine, and now i have everything too support a full gnome3 session up and running 17:52:43 <gartral> i started... 4am last night.. lol 17:52:51 <planetmaker> :-) 17:53:03 <Eddi|zuHause> other topic, while screwing around with daylength i found some structs in src/saveload/misc_sl.cpp that i think should be ported to the .ini structure 17:53:33 <Eddi|zuHause> static const SaveLoadGlobVarList _date_desc[] and static const SaveLoadGlobVarList _date_check_desc[] 17:53:33 <gartral> and 4 press pots of coffee later, lol 17:54:01 <Eddi|zuHause> static const SaveLoadGlobVarList _view_desc[] as well 17:54:34 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dream@5ad06f47.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:54:45 <gartral> when i'm done (in a month~!) i'll have an Atom-optimized distro.. 17:55:15 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:39 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 17:57:34 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: what would you make consider those "settings" ? 17:57:45 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure 17:58:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know the criteria that introduced the .ini at all 17:58:19 <gartral> head hurt 17:58:19 <frosch123> stuff accessible from the console? 17:58:23 <gartral> oops 17:58:43 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i meant the settings.ini, not openttd.cfg 17:58:45 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:58:47 <frosch123> i.e. settings, not gamestate :) 17:58:50 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: too long lines in the src/table.h file 17:59:19 <gartral> hmm.. make clean in ./opengrf is taking a long while 17:59:31 <frosch123> hmm, isn't "stuff in settings.ini" equivalent to "stuff in openttd.cfg"? except maybe for newgrf presets 18:00:02 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 18:00:25 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-160.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:00:42 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:45 <planetmaker> gartral: opengrf = opengfx ? 18:01:04 <gartral> planetmaker: yes.. my bad 18:01:41 <gartral> got it 18:01:43 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: maybe i don't fully understand the semantical difference between the stuff from settings.ini and misc_sl.cpp, but from a structural point of view, they sound much the same... 18:02:06 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 18:02:06 <planetmaker> because there's both: opengfx (which consists of 6 grf files) and openttd.grf (which is part of openttd itself) 18:02:17 <planetmaker> and has also its own folder 18:02:21 <gartral> i hit ^C and then tried make again and it worked 18:02:31 <planetmaker> hm 18:02:59 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: except that gamestates have no min/max, descriptions or anything. but yes, they both specify values in saves :p 18:08:10 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:08:44 *** Amis_ [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 18:09:12 * andythenorth wonders still how people are bad at maths 18:09:39 <andythenorth> wrt FIRS supplies and these odd feeder stations 18:09:49 <supermop> ltoo busy being good at math instead 18:10:04 * andythenorth is not good at math or maths 18:10:08 <andythenorth> lets test it 18:10:37 <andythenorth> you have (for ease of calculation) 1,000t of supplies available on your map per month 18:10:44 <andythenorth> and 20 industries that need supplies 18:11:17 <andythenorth> month 1: deliver 250t to 4 industries 18:11:17 <supermop> ok 18:11:29 <andythenorth> industries have a 1 in 4 (approx) chance of production increase 18:11:40 <andythenorth> so in month 1, what is your chance of a production increase at any industry? 18:12:16 <supermop> each indudtry has a 1 in for chance each month? 18:12:22 <supermop> 1 in four 18:12:27 <andythenorth> for this calculation, yes 18:12:30 <andythenorth> if it receives supplies 18:12:39 <andythenorth> 0 chance otherwise 18:13:02 <supermop> statistically it would seem that at least one of the 4 served should increase 18:13:03 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the magic "tile+=9" in RunTileLoop()? 18:13:11 * andythenorth can't do probability calculations for disconnected chances :P 18:13:29 <andythenorth> so now deliver 50t each to 20 industries 18:13:33 <andythenorth> what's the chance of an increase 18:13:53 <supermop> statistically 5 industries should increase 18:14:02 <andythenorth> so which is the better strategy? 18:14:21 <supermop> well what is the cost of build out to serve 20 instead of 4? 18:14:39 <andythenorth> are you ultimately going to connect all 20? 18:15:07 <andythenorth> if so you should do it as soon as possible 18:15:16 <andythenorth> (if you have the money) 18:15:34 *** Amis [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:37 <supermop> yes, thats the thing, what is the opprotunity cost vs capital cost to build 18:15:53 <andythenorth> if you don't have the money, this is a moot point :) 18:15:54 <andythenorth> if you deliver to 20, but 50% of deliveries are late, what's the chance of an increase? 18:16:11 <supermop> late meaning fall in month 2 instead? 18:16:15 *** gartral [~gareth@ip184-189-215-49.cl.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:16:15 <andythenorth> yup 18:16:40 <supermop> 2 and a half industries should increase 18:16:43 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: it is a number that produces all integers (mod 16) 18:16:55 <frosch123> though i do not remember the proper algebraic term 18:16:59 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: ah, makes sense 18:17:07 <Eddi|zuHause> "prime restklasse" 18:17:08 <andythenorth> now model it with only 100t supplies in a month (early game) 18:17:08 <supermop> still net better that 250 tons on time to 4, if the infrastructure isnt too hard to build 18:17:36 *** amkoroew1 [~Heinz@p5B1038C6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:55 <supermop> easy, just say 25 tons instead of 250, 5 instead of 50, 18:18:22 <supermop> assuming 1 ton is as good as 250, as per firs 18:18:30 <andythenorth> people fixate on the monthly delivery at one industry, not the net effect 18:18:45 <andythenorth> although if you can't afford to ship cargo at all industries, there's no point delivering to them 18:18:52 <andythenorth> or is there? 18:18:56 <supermop> fun 18:19:04 <supermop> i do 18:19:14 <andythenorth> you get paid 18:19:22 <supermop> i mean, you can still make money on the supplies themselves 18:19:35 <andythenorth> and if you have a surplus of supplies, you should deliver them to other industries, not over-supply the ones you have pickup from 18:19:47 <supermop> true 18:19:47 * andythenorth wonders if the in-game texts influence behaviour 18:20:07 <supermop> but over supply has some benefits: 18:20:17 <andythenorth> these feeder stations are fine if they're a choice for some people, but they now seem to be default strategy for FIRS 18:20:27 <andythenorth> I guess piglets are not new 18:21:32 <supermop> if you have 4 trucks delivering supplies to an industry, at one per week, as opposed to just one, you dont have to worry about the truck breaking down and missing its delivery for that month 18:21:38 <supermop> piglets? 18:22:10 <andythenorth> http://home.c2i.net/cecilieTT/misctric.htm#pyglet 18:22:45 *** Amis_ is now known as Amis 18:22:55 <devilsadvocate> i never supply supplies to industries i dont use 18:22:57 <supermop> if you imagine them as little forklifts, or those tsukiji fish market trucks 18:23:06 <supermop> i think they are neat 18:23:14 <devilsadvocate> its too much work, and with first keeping the industries i use supplied is hard enough work 18:24:16 <supermop> ive made little coal train piglets then for a while 18:27:19 <supermop> i like watching little things moving around in yards and at industries 18:27:35 <andythenorth> I'll add a forklift or something to HEQS 18:27:42 <andythenorth> I'd do it now but I'm tired :P 18:27:53 <andythenorth> I don't have all the angles 18:41:47 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... experimenting with the game loop is evil. i probably shouldn't do that... 18:44:14 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dream@5ad06f47.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Don't follow me] 18:47:19 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: btw, i think your grf is missing the postfix "-stein" for town names 18:47:41 <planetmaker> that's a good idea indeed 18:48:12 <planetmaker> could also be used as first part 18:48:41 <Eddi|zuHause> just avoid Steinstein ;) 18:52:28 <planetmaker> yup :-) 18:56:55 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has joined #openttd 18:58:25 <planetmaker> Hm... Now the town "SteinbrÃŒck" will be possible :-P 18:59:17 <andythenorth> hmm 18:59:22 * andythenorth once went to Spandau 18:59:26 <andythenorth> because of the ballet 18:59:59 <planetmaker> he. That town name is not possible currently. I think 19:00:18 <planetmaker> as it's part of Berlin 19:01:21 <andythenorth> "those who are tired of Spandau are tired of life" 19:03:47 <Eddi|zuHause> when was "greater berlin" formed? 1920s? earlier? 19:03:59 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: further suggestions for town name parts (or how such could be combined) are always welcome 19:04:06 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: IIRC in the 1930s 19:04:39 <planetmaker> but wiki says 1911 19:04:46 <Eddi|zuHause> "Das Gesetz ÃŒber die Bildung einer neuen Stadtgemeinde Berlin wird in der Kurzform GroÃ-Berlin-Gesetz genannt. Es wurde am 27. April 1920 vom PreuÃischen Landtag beschlossen und trat am 1. Oktober 1920 in Kraft." 19:05:31 <planetmaker> hm... somwhere in the preview I saw 1911 ;-) 19:05:53 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it was some kind of process ;) 19:08:39 <Eddi|zuHause> so, if you were to make a list of cities as of 1919, "Spandau" would be included ;) 19:12:16 <planetmaker> :-) 19:12:18 <Eddi|zuHause> etymoligical tidbit: towns ending in "-au" or "-aue" are usually near rivers (also compare french word "eau") 19:12:44 <planetmaker> I'm still waiting for people to provide me with the list of towns from hast-du-nicht-gesehen 19:13:24 * andythenorth decides no sailing ships in FISH 19:13:26 <planetmaker> Well... You just need to know the word "Au(e)" and that's it 19:13:32 <Eddi|zuHause> statistics from not-right-now are usually either incomplete or very expensive 19:14:05 <planetmaker> statistics? That town lists needs neither be comprehensive nor correct to the exact size... 19:15:33 <planetmaker> my current probability scaling is size**0.7/3160+1 19:15:39 <planetmaker> so... accuracy is not that important 19:22:06 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: Or plural. One Glyder, many Glyderau. 19:24:15 *** Ruudjah [~opera@86.93.109.194] has joined #openttd 19:30:30 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-140-239.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:13 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-206-052.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:57 * andythenorth wonders what to do 19:39:03 <andythenorth> repaint more boats 19:39:09 <andythenorth> try and create a buildout for nml 19:39:15 <andythenorth> learn how to use nml 19:39:20 <andythenorth> play a new yacd game 19:39:21 <andythenorth> ? 19:39:42 <planetmaker> draw snowy industry sprites? 19:40:08 <andythenorth> FIRS? 19:40:38 <planetmaker> well, yes? 19:40:56 <andythenorth> FIRS is on ice :) 19:41:04 <planetmaker> :-) 19:48:16 <Eddi|zuHause> but you haven't redrawn the default industries yet 19:50:08 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-009-030.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55:58 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I may never do that 19:56:06 <andythenorth> except for the iron ore mine 19:56:07 <Eddi|zuHause> you must! 19:56:11 <andythenorth> why? 19:56:14 <Eddi|zuHause> they do not fit at all 19:56:24 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dream@92.18.100.255] has joined #openttd 19:57:27 <andythenorth> none of them 19:57:28 <andythenorth> ? 19:57:31 * andythenorth thinks 19:57:36 <andythenorth> even the coal mine? 19:58:31 <Eddi|zuHause> the worst are the iron ore mine, the saw mill, the steel mill and the bauxit mine 19:58:50 <Eddi|zuHause> and the oil refinery 20:00:51 <Eddi|zuHause> "doctor pecuniae causa" :p 20:00:59 <andythenorth> so most of them then :P 20:01:51 *** Chris_Booth_ [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:02:37 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: translation? (google doesn't know) 20:03:19 <Eddi|zuHause> "pecunia" is "money" 20:06:32 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: means you payed for the doctor title, instead of working for it (normal), or getting honoured ("honoris causa") 20:07:03 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:04 <andythenorth> oh like an oxbridge masters degree 20:07:17 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 20:09:26 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i don't know if that swapped over to you guys, but in germany, several high ranking politicians got their doctor degrees removed because they were caught plagiarizing other people's work 20:11:03 <andythenorth> hmm 20:11:17 <andythenorth> is there any method to buy menu positioning in default? 20:11:21 <andythenorth> it's all over the place :P 20:11:42 <Eddi|zuHause> for vehicles? 20:12:24 <andythenorth> yup 20:12:27 <andythenorth> specifically planes 20:12:41 <Eddi|zuHause> for trains it's property 1A 20:13:11 <Eddi|zuHause> for planes 1B 20:13:22 <andythenorth> I mean is there a principle or rule behind it :) 20:13:46 <andythenorth> I have aligned my sets all left, but that's wrong 20:14:49 <Eddi|zuHause> ah... you meant sprite positioning 20:15:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no clue about that 20:15:06 <Eddi|zuHause> centered is probably better 20:15:15 <andythenorth> yup 20:19:03 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-160.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:28:26 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-126-169.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:30:24 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:31:56 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:35:29 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:33 <ChoHag_> Is there a GRF with trucks that will work well with FIRS (and/or allow the default truck to be refit). 20:42:33 <ChoHag_> Never mind. I have it but didn't enable it. 21:10:05 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Juo] 21:10:29 *** mucht_home [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:24 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 21:20:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:27:05 *** ar3k [~ident@ebs249.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:27:25 *** ar3k [~ident@ebs249.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 21:27:27 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 21:30:39 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw3-ffa8c300-33.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:53:26 <Eddi|zuHause> ah... i see how futile it is to try to actually balance a daylength patch 21:53:44 <Eddi|zuHause> every tiny factor you add somewhere will cause an overflow somewhere else 21:55:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C029.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:30 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:59:18 <supermop> my approach would be not to bother with balancing 21:59:59 <ChoHag_> Is the length of a day a problem? 22:00:07 <ChoHag_> Besides lacking sufficient hours. 22:05:22 <supermop> but without day-scale traffice patterns, numerated days in the game are fairly meaningless 22:08:48 <Eddi|zuHause> ChoHag_: main point about daylength is slower technological development 22:09:22 <Eddi|zuHause> so you have enough time to connect a major network on larger maps, while you still have beautiful steam engines 22:09:35 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:10:01 <ChoHag_> Yes that can have its downsides. 22:10:05 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ebs249.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:10:20 *** ar3k [~ident@ebs249.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 22:10:22 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 22:11:30 <Eddi|zuHause> next thing is that yearly running costs are either illogically high or incomes and cost must be divided, which lacks precision for short routes 22:12:44 <Eddi|zuHause> next thing that some want and others don't is that monthly produuction must be adjusted. ecs has an elaborate scheme to calculate monthly demand that totally fails if there are more than 8 or 9 production cycles. 22:13:25 <Eddi|zuHause> but spreading out the production callbacks might not be everybody's style either 22:14:16 <frosch123> how about using a different date for everything vehicle related? 22:14:51 <frosch123> don't touch industries or whatever 22:15:13 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: that doesn't help because all problematic codepaths are not part of OnNewDay/Month/Year 22:15:27 <frosch123> just make steamers stay modern till 2250 :) 22:15:58 <frosch123> is there more involved than introduction and expiration dates? 22:16:10 <frosch123> and maybe a grf-readable date? 22:16:14 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: that was Wolf01's approach, but i'm not convinced that it makes things actually easier 22:16:25 <Eddi|zuHause> it just shifts the problems to totally different places 22:17:05 <frosch123> i thought all daylength patches tried to change everything 22:17:12 <frosch123> instead of faking the year 22:17:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01's last patch tried to make a fake date 22:17:41 <Eddi|zuHause> and pavel's daylength patch skips ticks 22:17:48 <frosch123> ok, seems like i am not up-to-date at all :) 22:20:26 <Eddi|zuHause> there's one part of me that thinks i should limit daylength factors to powers of two (makes using tick_counter%daylength possible) 22:22:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22484 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Fix: The caption of centered windows could be moved out of the main window and thus become inaccessible when resizing the main window. 22:23:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22485 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Fix: EnsureVisibleCaption() did not update viewport positions of windows with viewports but without caption. 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