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00:00:19 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:02:01 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:09:08 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 00:10:35 *** Thorn_ [~Thorn@osirion.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:11:21 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:15:39 *** Thorn_ [~Thorn@osirion.org] has joined #openttd 00:21:15 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:23:24 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25:24 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC471B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 00:28:44 *** JVassie_ [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:29:36 *** Chris_Booth__ [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 00:34:49 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:34:49 *** Chris_Booth__ is now known as Chris_Booth 00:43:08 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.152.167.220] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 00:45:15 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 01:10:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-164-102.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:33:01 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:34:10 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-169.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 01:35:29 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@host-92-8-65-148.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 01:37:12 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:49:30 *** rellig_107 [~rellig@argon247.server4you.de] has joined #openttd 01:49:30 *** rellig [~rellig@argon247.server4you.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53:37 *** rellig_107 [~rellig@argon247.server4you.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53:40 *** rellig [~rellig@argon247.server4you.de] has joined #openttd 01:59:20 *** rellig_107 [~rellig@argon247.server4you.de] has joined #openttd 01:59:20 *** rellig [~rellig@argon247.server4you.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:21 *** Thorn_ [~Thorn@osirion.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:23 *** Thorn_ [~Thorn@osirion.org] has joined #openttd 02:10:25 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:25:18 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:404f:f7c6:f923:5841] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:12:41 *** DDR [~DDR@d99-199-10-67.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76427.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B775A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:05:32 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe64de00-55.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 05:33:28 <planetmaker> good morning 06:08:40 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0497ba.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:16:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 06:16:40 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 06:22:45 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 06:24:21 <peter1138> heh, xkcd mentions the philosophy thing on wikipedia 06:31:22 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 06:37:55 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:39:25 <planetmaker> peter1138: I tested that "philosophy claim" from a random page. It didn't work 06:39:30 <planetmaker> I actually ended up in a circle 06:39:37 <planetmaker> but never at philosophy 06:41:30 <planetmaker> somewhat from a local minor football club over biology into a science and humanity circle 06:41:46 *** ashledombos [~ashledomb@ris91-2-82-227-26-30.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:57:04 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:59:47 *** JVassie_ [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 07:01:54 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:10:48 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 07:13:17 *** ashledombos [~ashledomb@marvin-18-230.cnt.nerim.net] has joined #openttd 07:15:13 *** DDR [~DDR@d99-199-10-67.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 07:17:14 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:19:37 <peter1138> http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/Wytchcrafte/Websites/Bloggin/OdinvRapture.jpg 07:21:16 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:25:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C3CF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:31:36 <peter1138> damn 07:31:58 <peter1138> trying to remember the url for a web-based graph plotting tool 07:32:56 <peter1138> hmm, in the vein of fooplot.com, but it covered the browser window 07:36:15 <planetmaker> wolfram alpha ? 07:36:20 <peter1138> no 07:39:00 <peter1138> i mean the plot covered the window 07:39:17 <peter1138> and was scrollable, a la google maps, heh 07:40:55 *** ashledombos [~ashledomb@marvin-18-230.cnt.nerim.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:42:00 *** ashledombos [~ashledomb@marvin-18-230.cnt.nerim.net] has joined #openttd 07:47:15 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:49:18 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-185-182.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 07:54:17 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-79-216.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:02:13 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4630.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:08:31 *** DDR [~DDR@d99-199-10-67.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:16:29 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:35:17 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host81-132-230-11.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:36:22 <LordAro> Yexo: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=947903#p947903 <-- i'm thinking it's perhaps a regression bug? 08:36:54 <Yexo> you're just making a random guess now 08:37:18 <Yexo> I'm not doing anything until either ac84 or someone else has seriously looked into the problem and can't find it 08:37:49 <Yexo> my guess would be GetAPIVersion() in info.nut returning 1.1, so AIAbstractList is not available, but still used in one place, perhaps via a library 08:38:41 * LordAro downloads the AI, to check 08:40:14 <LordAro> Yexo: nope: "function GetAPIVersion() { return "1.0"; } " 08:42:36 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 08:49:52 <Terkhen> good morning 08:52:24 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:52:51 <LordAro> moin Terkhen 08:54:31 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:56:03 <planetmaker> LordAro, and all libraries? ;-) 08:56:11 <planetmaker> moin also 08:59:40 <LordAro> planetmaker: ? not sure i understand... 09:00:15 <planetmaker> the used libraries must not use that call either. Just like y3xo said 09:01:04 <LordAro> i guess so, but then the only recent(-ish) library is superlib 09:01:08 <LordAro> ...isn't it? 09:01:20 <planetmaker> How should I know? I never programmed any AI. 09:01:38 <planetmaker> it's the AI's authors responsibility to check that 09:02:08 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 09:03:07 <planetmaker> it's like in c programming: If I include a header file I should know what its functions do and require ;-) 09:03:22 <planetmaker> and their limitations 09:05:09 <LordAro> true :) IIRC, no library uses 1.1 API yet... 09:06:11 <planetmaker> I'm not sure whether libraries may use other APIs than the AI itself. I guess not. 09:10:00 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:12:08 <Yexo> no, they'll automatically use the same version as the AI 09:12:24 <Yexo> but the 1.0 API still has AIAbstractList, so I wonder where that error came from 09:13:16 <LordAro> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=947910#p947910 <-- he replied, but its fairly useless... :) 09:16:30 <LordAro> perhaps some text wrapping could be used on the debug window when ai_developer_tools is turned off :) 09:16:47 <peter1138> anyone used soap headers in asp? 09:33:02 <LordAro> Yexo: (re your reply) yes, i realised that just now... 09:39:15 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:46:07 <dihedral> oi :-) 09:48:31 <Terkhen> hi dihedral 10:02:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C3CF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:29 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-169.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:30:33 <peter1138> guess not :p 10:34:03 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@host-92-8-65-148.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 10:45:34 <Eddi|zuHause> argh... burned my finger on the oven 10:47:05 <planetmaker> wouldn't make a difference if the temperature difference was inverted ;-) 10:49:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i never burned my finger on liquid nitrogen yet :P 10:51:06 <planetmaker> that's also more difficult as it's not solid. Metal at nitrogen temperatures "helps" there... 10:51:41 <planetmaker> you don't burn your fingers from the oven's air either ;-) 10:52:22 <planetmaker> but if you try to handle dry ice... 10:52:36 <planetmaker> ... jugle quickly ;-) 10:53:37 <Eddi|zuHause> er... hot air is difficult, but hot water? 10:53:38 <planetmaker> especially if mixed with alcohol :S 10:54:57 <SpComb> dry ice mixed with alcohol, swallow quickly? 10:55:23 <planetmaker> :-) cold liquids have one advantage indeed: for short contacts a steam layer forms around your hand - which acts as insulation. That advantage isn't there for hot liquids, thus it hurts quicker 10:56:09 <planetmaker> SpComb, makes for cool photos. But bad drinks ;-) 10:56:56 <planetmaker> or rather "kids, don't do this at home" ;-) 10:57:33 <planetmaker> with the added benefit of the drink not being diluted :-P 11:10:01 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFD971.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:14:07 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 11:15:36 <fjb> Moin 11:17:09 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 11:17:34 <peter1138> bah, need more memory 11:17:41 <peter1138> 4GB is, apparently, not enough :S 11:17:47 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 11:19:09 <Noldo> but Bill Gates said! 11:19:44 <Eddi|zuHause> so? the IBM founder said there might be demand for 6 computers worldwide. 11:20:10 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:05 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 11:29:29 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:32 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B73C2.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:47:06 <ChoHag_> I would just like to say: Bloody hell I'm going to have a baby. 11:48:06 <ChoHag_> SWMBO is getting close to bursting point. 11:48:54 <lugo> masseltoff :) 11:49:43 <ChoHag_> Not sure that's appropriate... 11:50:26 <ChoHag_> "Well done! Your life's about to go horribly, horribly wrong! Kiss your sleep goodbye." 11:56:04 <dihedral> ... 11:56:18 <dihedral> i'd rather say, it'll become so much more rewarding ;-) 11:56:54 <dihedral> there are a few dad's around here, i am sure they can give you some 'advice' :-D 11:57:46 <ChoHag_> I've been getting plenty of that recently... 11:58:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i wouldn't take any of that advice :p 11:58:08 <planetmaker> I've seldom heart anyone start swearing about having a baby ;-) 11:58:49 <Eddi|zuHause> these people are either in the middle of the crazy phase, so they are crazy themselves. or they are out of it and cannot judge it properly since they are too distant from it :p 12:00:15 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:39e2:37c3:e2ca:5b30] has joined #openttd 12:00:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:01:53 <confound> ChoHag_: the nice thing about kids is that they start small enough not to be overwhelming 12:02:21 <confound> you don't get a 4 year old right off the bat 12:16:04 <peter1138> well, congratulations 12:18:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C3CF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:21:44 <Terkhen> congratulations ChoHag_ 12:23:15 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:f456:2a96:a389:ad4c] has joined #openttd 12:27:34 *** Chris_Booth_ [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:28:21 *** ar3k [~ident@eck29.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:28:37 *** ar3k [~ident@eck29.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 12:28:38 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 12:29:15 <__ln__> zomfg, doesn't that usually involve being within 2-meter radius of a woman? 12:32:49 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:33:01 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 12:36:19 <ChoHag_> __ln__: It's better than that. Mine's even getting started on TTD. 12:37:46 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFD971.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38:38 <__ln__> not bad, not bad 12:39:22 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B73C2.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:49:09 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:f456:2a96:a389:ad4c] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:49:25 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:f456:2a96:a389:ad4c] has joined #openttd 12:52:17 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFD971.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:55:55 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:f456:2a96:a389:ad4c] has joined #openttd 13:01:15 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:f456:2a96:a389:ad4c] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:01:15 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:07:38 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:07:51 <supermop> Good morning! 13:09:06 <planetmaker> hi supermop 13:09:53 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-027-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:12:09 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:f456:2a96:a389:ad4c] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:12:24 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:f456:2a96:a389:ad4c] has joined #openttd 13:13:22 <supermop> how is germany this morning/afternoon? 13:17:06 <planetmaker> not bad, at least this part. No rain anymore and it's warm(er) again with only a few small clouds and slight breeze :-) 13:17:20 <planetmaker> good BBQ weather ;-) 13:18:18 * Terkhen would like intense rain for a few days 13:18:48 <dihedral> nah - please not here ^^ 13:18:54 <dihedral> i am enjoying the wheather 13:19:04 <dihedral> but it's suppose to rain tomorrow :-( 13:19:17 <supermop> been 80 here the past two days 13:19:25 <supermop> soo, like 30 i guess 13:20:08 <planetmaker> @calc (80 - 32 ) * 5/9 13:20:08 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 26.6666666667 13:21:00 <planetmaker> that's border-line to too warm ;-) 13:21:05 <planetmaker> depends on humidity, though 13:23:07 <planetmaker> Terkhen, wrt "how much it rained" and "how much it should have rained" during the last 2 or 3 months: we should have much more rain (about twice or so)... 13:24:53 <planetmaker> all the berries and grapes will dry out when they're not regularily watered (hint, hint) :-P 13:28:31 <Terkhen> :) 13:28:41 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: are your clouds made of ash? :p 13:29:17 <planetmaker> :D Might be a bit hazy ;-) - but no plane trails visible ;-) 13:30:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm probably too far south for any such thin 13:30:43 <Eddi|zuHause> g 13:30:52 <Belugas> hi 13:31:39 <planetmaker> hi Belugas 13:32:04 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, I read (this morning) that they would consider to close down Berlin airports, too. But dunno whether they did... 13:32:06 <Terkhen> hi Belugas 13:32:33 <planetmaker> not that it's too far from Leipzig to Berlin as the bird flies ;-) 13:33:04 <Eddi|zuHause> 160km 13:34:08 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not really in wind direction... 13:34:30 <planetmaker> hm... actually I see a plane flying in the North. So probably airspace is not (anymore) closed 13:35:20 <Eddi|zuHause> last i heard was they were considering relieving the ban in hamburg and bremen after 6 hours being closed 13:35:33 <planetmaker> seems they did 13:36:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see a lot of planes on normal days either, so seing no planes right now doesn'T really tell anythnig 13:37:35 <Belugas> hello planetmaker, hello Terkhen :) 13:38:45 <planetmaker> I should see most planes which go from the North - West to Berlin as I have an unobstructed view to the Eastern skies from this office ;-) 13:39:27 <__ln__> @seen SmatZ 13:39:27 <DorpsGek> __ln__: SmatZ was last seen in #openttd 2 days, 18 hours, 19 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <SmatZ> yeah 13:42:08 <__ln__> other czech humans here atm? 13:49:34 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-74-15.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:55:46 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-28-234.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:19:58 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.152.167.220] has joined #openttd 14:34:06 *** TWerkhoven [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:36:11 <dihedral> planetmaker, :-) 14:46:07 *** Amis [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 15:02:22 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 15:14:46 <dihedral> a person who is suppose to create a new website for one of our clients claimed he needed to be admin-c, tech-c, and zone-c in order to register the webspace ... 15:15:05 <dihedral> (the domain is hosted by us) 15:15:20 <Rubidium> what's -c? Contact? 15:15:26 <dihedral> yes 15:15:46 <dihedral> he then said the client did not want to move away from us, all he needed was ftp access + a php database :-D 15:16:31 <dihedral> "you mean a mysqldatabase?" 15:16:38 <dihedral> "yes, with wordpress" :-D 15:16:43 <dihedral> oh dear lord 15:17:30 <Terkhen> :D 15:27:40 *** amkoroew1 [~Heinz@p5B10711B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:29:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6BFE4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:33:46 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B1057BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:35:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6B1DE.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:43:46 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4cb1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:50:42 <frosch123> damn, i tried todays xkcd hint, and it worked after two iterations... 15:51:12 <Eddi|zuHause> it took me like 30 iterations or more 15:51:22 <frosch123> must be a wise choice depending on the regular readers of it :p 15:51:23 <Eddi|zuHause> well, that was before it was on xkcd :p 15:52:11 <frosch123> nope, no recent edits on those page 15:53:10 <frosch123> but apparently "open source" links to philosophy, and about every open source software (like ottd) links to "open source" at the beginning 15:54:46 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it doesn't work that well in german wikipedia 15:56:30 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:48 <Rubidium> I guess the trick is that eventually you'll reach a page that "directs" to a language first 15:57:18 <planetmaker> frosch123: it didn't work for me ;-) 15:57:25 <planetmaker> I ended up in a loop... 15:57:36 <planetmaker> I think I started with VfL Gummersbach (I forgot why) 15:57:37 <Rubidium> oh, where? ;) 15:57:52 <planetmaker> the loop was between 'science' an 'mankind' somehow 15:58:02 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 15:58:34 <Rubidium> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Gaelic_language <- that loops as well 15:58:35 <planetmaker> but I used the German wiki. Maybe that's the 'mistake' 15:59:18 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59:44 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... when i retry now, i get into the same loop planetmaker mentions 15:59:51 <Eddi|zuHause> must have done something wrong inbetween 16:00:38 *** ashledombos [~ashledomb@marvin-18-230.cnt.nerim.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:49 <Eddi|zuHause> yep, seems i took the second link on one page 16:02:58 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 16:06:45 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 16:24:42 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0497ba.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:25:54 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4630.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 16:35:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: terkhen * r22490 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/include/squirrel.h: -Fix [FS#4623]: [Squirrel] Fix compilation under MinGW-w64. 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(JGR) 16:42:45 *** afk [~Dream@92.18.206.190] has joined #openttd 16:42:45 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dream@92.18.206.190] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:45 <Eddi|zuHause> btw. i think xkcd is wrong... i know lots of things without going to wikipedia immediately 16:47:14 <peter1138> you != randall 16:47:44 <Eddi|zuHause> you sure? :p 16:48:57 <peter1138> 100% 16:49:08 <peter1138> (he hangs around in #minecraft) 16:49:16 <peter1138> or did 16:51:59 <Eddi|zuHause> [NFORENUM] firs.nfo 16:52:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Error on sprite 130. 16:52:40 <Eddi|zuHause> //!!Error (68): An action 8 must precede action 4. 16:52:52 <Eddi|zuHause> something is wrong... 16:56:09 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-192-098.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:07:25 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... even the old firs won't build 17:07:30 <Eddi|zuHause> something is really wrong 17:12:09 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:f456:2a96:a389:ad4c] has joined #openttd 17:15:17 <Eddi|zuHause> ah... stupid error of mine 17:16:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 17:18:30 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:f456:2a96:a389:ad4c] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:30 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 17:18:42 <andythenorth> hello 17:21:08 <Terkhen> hi andythenorth 17:36:00 *** ashledombos [~ashledomb@ris91-2-82-227-26-30.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:38:45 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: no secondary industry closure is evil with yacd 17:38:59 <Eddi|zuHause> you must supply even the most remote factory 17:41:42 <andythenorth> and more of them keep popping up, spamming the map :P 17:41:56 <andythenorth> and if you enable closure, most of them close before you can get service to them 17:42:02 * andythenorth wonders 17:42:11 <andythenorth> industry closure is an evil problem 17:42:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:42:17 <andythenorth> normally I say 'newgrf fix please' 17:42:27 <andythenorth> but for this feature I wonder if trunk should be fixed 17:48:33 <Terkhen> http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/screenshots/Terkhen%20Transport%2c%202213-04-07.png <--- they really hate visitors in this junk yard 17:49:11 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 17:50:57 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 18:02:20 <andythenorth> hmm 18:02:41 <andythenorth> new industry var: date of last closure for industry type x 18:02:54 <andythenorth> (or days since closure, it's about the same either way) 18:03:45 <andythenorth> this var *would have* to be updated as soon as an industry instance closes, or there would still be a possibility of simultaneous closure when running monthly prod. change cb 18:10:15 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:07 <Eddi|zuHause> suggestions: industries check whether the associated town has a rating for any company, if yes => close after 5 years no service, else => don't close 18:13:00 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:13:23 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: interesting approach 18:13:32 <andythenorth> what are the benefits in your view? 18:13:55 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: areas of the map that you have not touched yet will not be empty by the time you get there 18:14:22 <andythenorth> so you protect industries where you have routes 18:14:40 <Eddi|zuHause> no, industries are protected where you _don't_ have routes 18:15:01 <andythenorth> ok 18:15:03 <andythenorth> interesting 18:16:04 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:16:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:16:27 <Eddi|zuHause> hmm... updating a patch from r59xx... good/bad idea? :p 18:17:46 * Alberth considers Eddi old enough to make that decision 18:18:24 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I don't see an existing var for rating 18:18:33 <Terkhen> depends, do you have anything better to do with your time? :P 18:18:36 <andythenorth> maybe it's 80+ 18:18:45 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: there should be already such a variable 18:18:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no clue about town variables 18:19:08 <andythenorth> var 2E 18:19:14 <andythenorth> in the 80+ 18:19:23 <frosch123> yes, AE 18:21:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't even find town variables in the newgrf wiki 18:23:11 <andythenorth> cities 18:24:45 <Terkhen> they are cleverly hidden :) 18:24:52 <andythenorth> hmm 18:24:59 <frosch123> who looks in the wiki? 18:25:02 <Eddi|zuHause> of course i won't find "towns" when they are "cities"... 18:25:03 <frosch123> source code never lies 18:25:15 <andythenorth> so this means once you start serving a town, you have to quickly connect all industries or lose them 18:25:30 <andythenorth> but if you're town rating is in the ground, you're screwed :) 18:25:35 <frosch123> andythenorth: depends on the definition of quickly 18:25:51 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: 5 years is plenty of time 18:25:59 <frosch123> the usual "mass closures" are completely subjective, as they are actually only a small percentage of hundreds of industries 18:26:03 <andythenorth> not if the source of supply is half the map away 18:26:41 <andythenorth> frosch123: I meant to revisit FIRS closure 18:26:51 <andythenorth> I wondered if it was using the monthly prod change for closure 18:27:05 <andythenorth> and if it was, whether using random prod change only might be better 18:27:11 <frosch123> you should never use the monthly cb for closure :) 18:28:22 <andythenorth> looks like I'm using random already 18:28:35 <andythenorth> so random, and then it uses a further random chance 18:28:50 <andythenorth> but still I get the sense of a mass die off, even if empirically it's not the case 18:29:34 <andythenorth> maybe I should use the town ID in some way in the calculation... 18:29:39 <andythenorth> meaning some areas become ghost towns 18:29:42 <andythenorth> and others don't 18:30:07 <andythenorth> meh 18:30:17 <andythenorth> lets convert FIRS to nml, then someone else can solve this :) 18:35:13 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 18:44:43 <supermop> Braun stuff 18:46:29 <supermop> going to try to get a fan 18:50:56 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 18:52:51 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-160.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:54:32 *** TomyLobo2 [~foo@port-212-202-171-169.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:56:53 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:02 * andythenorth is uninspired by the game today and will be voting 'pub' 19:00:01 *** JamesGo [~james@host217-44-55-169.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:01:00 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-169.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:01 *** TomyLobo2 is now known as TomyLobo 19:05:25 <JamesGo> Is it possible to run OpenTTD with the GUI and type commands into the Linux terminal like a dedicated server? 19:05:55 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:09:09 <planetmaker> you have the console for that 19:11:10 *** DDR [~DDR@d99-199-10-67.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:18 <JamesGo> I want to automate screenshot-taking to make a timelapse video, a BASH script seemed the best way to do it 19:12:04 <Eddi|zuHause> we should implement a dbus interface ;) 19:12:29 <Eddi|zuHause> JamesGo: have you checked the admin interface? 19:13:36 <JamesGo> No, I'll look into that 19:15:38 <frosch123> you could also start a dedicated server locally (without advertising) and join your own server 19:16:16 <Chris_Booth> the big problem you will have JamesGo is the size of the screen shot 19:18:57 <Eddi|zuHause> suggestion: you watch the autosave directory, each time a new autosave appears, you load that into a (dedicated, but non-null video driver) openttd instance, make a giant screenshot and quit 19:19:21 <Eddi|zuHause> that way you get monthly screenshots without disturbing your own gameplay 19:19:54 *** staN [~Miranda@p5B05A9F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:21:08 <JamesGo> That's a good idea 19:22:35 <Eddi|zuHause> there's also a daily autosave patch if you want to go there ;) 19:23:49 <SpComb> the network client sounds like the best idea 19:26:04 <planetmaker> it will disconnect with giant screenshots 19:26:15 <planetmaker> eddi's suggestion to load autosaves doesn't have that issue 19:27:09 <peter1138> who was talking giant screenshots? 19:27:49 <peter1138> http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/flat/rounwrld.jpg 19:27:55 <peter1138> ^ proof that the world cannot be round 19:27:58 <JamesGo> I think it'll be a normal screenshot, for a video giant screenshots won't be nessecary 19:29:24 <SpComb> 64x64 map with giant screenshots? :) 19:34:58 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-192-098.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:35:44 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4630.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:38:56 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-192-098.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:58:43 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-181-203.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:59:23 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:00:35 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-185-182.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:02:10 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-201-44.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:07:07 <Eddi|zuHause> non-giant screenshots are quite less viable for timelapse. you need an "interesting" location, and it must be the same location over longer periods of time 20:07:53 <Alberth> or shift a small step each shot ;) 20:09:13 * Alberth ponders whether one could detect 'interesting' places by monitoring build activities 20:10:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22492 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix [FS#4624] (r21642, r22328): Only try to insert implicit orders for ground vehicles. Aircraft may reach unscheduled terminals when skippnig orders etc. 20:11:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: but you need to get at least one "before" screenshot in that case 20:12:50 <Alberth> yeah, it is less trivial 20:13:19 <Eddi|zuHause> cutting out "interesting" sections from the giant screenshot may be more useful, but could be quite difficult 20:15:47 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 20:19:25 <TWerkhoven> what about making a screenshot of every construction activity, centered on the event 20:19:32 <TWerkhoven> then you could just cut out the boring screenshots 20:19:52 <__ln__> is there a channel for talking about openttd in italian, using mirc colors? 20:20:20 <planetmaker> TWerkhoven: *every*? 20:20:28 <planetmaker> That'd be spamming your HDD VERY fast 20:20:48 <planetmaker> and where's the construction activity of "mass build signal" or "mass release trains"? 20:23:21 *** Amis [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: *pop*] 20:27:17 <TWerkhoven> have to admit i never checked size of screenshots not using them myself 20:29:59 <planetmaker> screenshot size, of course, varies. And a single one is not that big. But every action... That sums up very quickly ;-) 20:31:43 <planetmaker> TWerkhoven: you ask for a screenshot rate of a few fps ;-) 20:31:44 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/220/ 20:32:04 <Alberth> that's called a movie :) 20:32:10 <planetmaker> :-) 20:32:52 <SmatZ> it's like watching the matrix :) 20:33:09 <SmatZ> some watch the video, some are fine with green text :) 20:33:14 <planetmaker> :-D 20:33:20 <planetmaker> and the pattern shows 20:33:40 <planetmaker> like in our lab course we once watched satellite TV on the oscilloscope. Yeah... :-P 20:34:24 <planetmaker> like you see the voltage spikes of the frame transitions ;-) 20:34:29 <planetmaker> quite a repetitive curve 20:34:33 <SmatZ> :-D 20:35:21 <TWerkhoven> :) 20:36:59 <TWerkhoven> yeah i can see how i would need a lot of space for that 20:37:14 <TWerkhoven> and fast hdd's possibly 20:37:22 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 20:37:45 *** afk [~Dream@92.18.206.190] has quit [Quit: Going!] 20:38:24 <Eddi|zuHause> cool... comments in table/sprites.h still talk about .c files :p 20:38:43 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dream@92.18.206.190] has joined #openttd 20:45:02 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47:43 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:50:36 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:53:02 <planetmaker> indeed 21:02:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:20 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Juo] 21:14:16 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-192-098.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:21:36 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4cb1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:29 *** Zeknurn [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25:38 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:18 *** Zeknurn [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 21:29:32 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host81-132-230-11.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: "Time is an illusion. 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