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Log for #openttd on 5th July 2011:
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05:34:03  <andythenorth> morn
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05:52:27  <planetmaker> moin
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06:55:45  <Terkhen> good morning
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06:57:11  <planetmaker> moin Terkhen
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06:57:35  <dihedral> mornings
06:57:56  <planetmaker> moin dihedral
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07:47:32  <dihedral> hey ho pm
07:47:33  <dihedral> :-)
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12:48:49  <letissier> ?
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13:16:58  <Belugas> hello
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14:34:06  <DanMacK> Hey Lakie
14:34:16  <Lakie> Hi DanMacK .
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15:13:58  <dihedral> http://twitpic.com/5lknec <- (regarding the highlighted 2 lines) ... "who?"
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16:25:20  <DanMacK> Hey Andy
16:25:31  <andythenorth> hello
16:30:46  <andythenorth> DanMacK: what's the go?
16:45:55  <DanMacK> Passenger Coaches
16:47:28  <andythenorth> UKRS?
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16:54:22  <DanMacK> Canset
16:54:58  <DanMacK> Algoma Central to be exact
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16:55:51  <andythenorth> tody
16:55:54  <andythenorth> tidy /s
16:59:39  <DanMacK> Ya
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17:43:00  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r22637 /trunk/src/lang/polish.txt:
17:43:00  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:43:00  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: polish - 1 changes by wojteks86
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17:52:41  <blup> heyall
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18:47:06  <andythenorth> improved river shores: no sand. http://tt-foundry.com/misc/better_shores_8.png
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18:54:46  <andythenorth> do I actually need to re-draw shores?  they seem to be mostly done already
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18:55:19  <andythenorth> there's only a small number of coast tiles missing
18:55:19  <andythenorth> I think it's tmwftlb
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18:56:48  <andythenorth> these are the existing shores for arctic
18:56:59  <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/existing_shores.png
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18:57:07  <andythenorth> only the coast rapids need redrawing
18:57:20  <andythenorth> I see no gain in doing the rest
18:57:21  <supermop> great
18:57:35  <supermop> i guess we are talking about ogfx water?
18:57:59  <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/existing_shores.png
18:58:29  <supermop> indeed they do not match
18:58:50  <andythenorth> but all of the other shores are fine
19:00:06  <supermop> why do rivers not have banks?
19:01:59  <planetmaker> because they go and flow and don't sit ;-)
19:02:49  <Ammler> andythenorth: the big issue with ogfx rivers is that they are too straight
19:03:40  <andythenorth> I don't think it matters
19:03:42  <devilsadvocate_> meandering rivers would be nice
19:04:14  <devilsadvocate_> or rivers that move a couple of tile seasonally :D
19:05:04  <andythenorth> the sprites in this image  http://tt-foundry.com/misc/existing_shores.png
19:05:15  <andythenorth> look better than the ones in this http://tt-foundry.com/misc/better_shores_8.png
19:06:03  * Ammler disagrees as usualy :-P
19:07:24  <Ammler> rivers looks like canals
19:08:29  <peter1138> what what?
19:08:33  <peter1138> better_shores_8 is better
19:09:19  * andythenorth plants flowers http://tt-foundry.com/misc/better_shores_9.png
19:09:35  <peter1138> well that's silly
19:10:03  <andythenorth> overhanging trees?
19:10:06  <andythenorth> grazing sheep?
19:10:11  <andythenorth> tesco trolleys
19:10:23  <supermop> can tiles have pseudo-random bank sprites?
19:10:32  <planetmaker> bikes
19:10:42  <planetmaker> cars and old shoes of course, too
19:10:43  <andythenorth> there's no case for randomising them
19:10:52  <planetmaker> supermop: actually: yes
19:10:53  <andythenorth> coasts aren't randomised
19:11:18  <andythenorth> ground tiles aren't randomised - apart from rock placement
19:11:20  <planetmaker> but rivers?
19:11:20  <planetmaker> hm... or do I mis-remember?
19:11:20  <Ammler> andythenorth: how certain are you?
19:11:33  <andythenorth> that coasts aren't randomised?
19:11:42  <planetmaker> coast and land tiles: not.
19:11:48  <Ammler> yes, there are lots of random in ogfx
19:11:49  <planetmaker> But fair rivers have random bits
19:12:07  <planetmaker> s/fair/afair/
19:12:07  <Ammler> (iirc)
19:13:07  <planetmaker> unfortunately all tt-* domains are for me *incredibly* slow, or I would have the link already
19:13:25  <andythenorth> why so slow?
19:13:27  * andythenorth wonders
19:16:28  <andythenorth> peter1138: older version: http://tt-foundry.com/misc/better_shores_6.png
19:16:30  <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/entry/sprites/nfo/extra/extra-plus-waterfeatures.pnfo#L197
19:16:46  <andythenorth> also http://tt-foundry.com/misc/better_shores_5.png
19:18:55  <supermop> haha
19:19:01  <supermop> that boat looks silly
19:21:22  <andythenorth> mud: http://tt-foundry.com/misc/better_shores_10.png
19:21:35  * andythenorth was bored of this ages ago and may as well keep going
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19:22:06  <andythenorth> why stop now? :P
19:22:45  <supermop> are rapids navigable?
19:22:50  <andythenorth> no
19:24:02  <supermop> ok
19:24:14  <supermop> could they be more rapidy?
19:24:35  <supermop> also is there a precedent for water graphic NewGrfs?
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19:33:09  <andythenorth> supermop: do you want to take over the rivers task?
19:33:19  <andythenorth> I've made it into a grf project that is easy to build
19:33:28  <andythenorth> and split the pngs to separate files for easy editing
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19:40:34  <andythenorth> supermop: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/water-features
19:41:02  <supermop> havent drawn sprites in months, would be good to have something to get back into it
19:41:28  <andythenorth> I'm not exactly sure what needs to be done
19:41:35  <andythenorth> there are some coast tiles that are wrong
19:41:46  <andythenorth> Rubidium: what's the minimum changes to rivers needed?
19:42:15  <andythenorth> wrt graphics
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19:52:09  <Rubidium> andythenorth: changes? I'd say a set of graphics for each (sub)climate should suffice
19:52:31  <Rubidium> but at least anything needed for the action5
19:53:19  * andythenorth -> specs
19:53:58  <andythenorth> hmm
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19:55:43  <andythenorth> rivers not in spec?
20:02:12  <planetmaker> they are
20:02:12  <planetmaker> canals / rivers
20:02:12  <planetmaker> it's one
20:02:36  * planetmaker edits newgrf main page ;-)
20:02:46  <supermop> it seems like there should be documentation, or newgrfspecs to allow anyone to create rivers or canals, that can be used interchangeably
20:03:11  <planetmaker> there are
20:03:45  <planetmaker> but as soon as you use non-static... then it's a normal newgrf
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20:09:28  <supermop> non-static?
20:09:57  <planetmaker> using varaction2 or random action2
20:10:03  <planetmaker> or defining new action0
20:10:14  <planetmaker> i.e. not just re-defining existing sprites
20:12:28  <supermop> already in over my head again...
20:15:17  <andythenorth> supermop: all that's needed at the moment is to redraw pngs
20:15:18  <andythenorth> ;)
20:15:30  <andythenorth> the grf is coded
20:16:43  <supermop> ok
20:16:52  <supermop> I can't do it tonight
20:17:00  <supermop> but can tomorrow i think
20:17:27  <supermop> is it nml?
20:17:34  <frosch123> all that's needed at the moment is some sleep
20:17:38  <frosch123> night
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20:18:32  <andythenorth> supermop: it's nfo
20:18:53  <supermop> well as log as i dont have to touch the code should be fine
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21:04:49  <jewoodall> I'm attempting to run a 3-station rail line using mail as my only revenue source. Is this possible?
21:08:08  <alluke> long vehicles v4 should be recoded
21:15:46  <jewoodall> Hmmm. Looks like a single train running mail only is losing 00 per year.
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21:29:13  <Eddi|zuHause> alluke: recoded to what?
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21:36:08  <alluke> articulation?
21:36:48  <alluke> and some tweaks to their speeds and names
21:43:13  <__ln__> off-topic again: are there e.g. USB devices containing a clock, which can be used to maintain an accurate time on a computer?  (Funkuhr technology is not a good solution here)
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21:53:37  <Terkhen> good night
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22:03:03  <__ln__> http://idle.slashdot.org/story/11/07/05/1548209/Anti-PowerPoint-Party-Formed-In-Switzerland
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