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Is there a NewGRF compatible with 1.1.1 that creates some road vehicles before 1930? 04:05:39 <KittenKoder> One sec, I forgot the name of it. 04:06:43 <KittenKoder> eGRVTS 04:06:55 <KittenKoder> Most are horse drawn to, which is just cool. 04:07:44 <Endymion_Mallorn> Thank you. 04:08:09 <KittenKoder> You're welcome. 04:08:40 <Endymion_Mallorn> Do I need to enable any dependencies, or will it "just work" when I pull it up in the NewGRFs window? 04:09:33 <KittenKoder> As long as you have the latest OpenTTD it will just work. 04:15:04 <Endymion_Mallorn> That's great. Thank you. 04:15:09 <Endymion_Mallorn> Have a good night 04:15:10 *** Endymion_Mallorn [~pplgoldbl@ool-3f8fd250.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Endymion_Mallorn] 04:18:08 * KittenKoder feels special for being helpful ... but doesn't let it go to her head. 04:45:20 *** lessthanfour [lt3@d64-180-56-85.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 04:52:53 *** lessthanthree [~lt3@d64-180-56-85.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75B22.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73568.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:10:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DE48.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 05:20:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6DCD0.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 05:25:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DE48.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:55:24 <pjpe> isn't 2cc supposed to have parameters to disable trains from certain regions? 05:55:29 <pjpe> i don't see it in the 2cc nightly 06:01:15 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 06:04:44 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 06:13:28 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e090e25.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:13:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:24:27 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:29:39 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 06:36:28 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:37:24 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 06:38:13 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc11-acto2-2-0-cust244.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:41:39 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cea1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 06:54:04 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc11-acto2-2-0-cust244.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Juo] 07:02:25 <planetmaker> moin 07:02:47 <planetmaker> pjpe: nightlies of 2ccTS don't have that parameter currently 07:02:56 <planetmaker> iirc that is 07:02:58 <pjpe> but the beta does? 07:03:59 <planetmaker> iirc only the 1.x versions 07:06:31 <V453000> I dont think even that does 07:06:56 <KittenKoder> I haven't seen it. 07:06:58 <pjpe> the very old homepage for it mentions those parameters 07:09:43 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-233-43.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:10:18 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 07:12:03 <planetmaker> version 1.x is also not 2.x 07:26:52 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1961e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:42:18 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:42:54 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd 07:42:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 07:57:42 *** Juo [~Juo@87-194-64-202.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:59:44 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 08:07:39 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:07:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 08:23:22 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 08:24:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:24:21 <Terkhen> good morning 08:25:14 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-025-239.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:36:15 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:40:06 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-153-168.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 09:27:52 *** pjpe [~pjpe@173-230-161-25.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:37:08 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:40:15 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 10:06:34 *** figaro [4faa5a0c@64.62.228.82] has joined #openttd 10:06:45 *** figaro [4faa5a0c@64.62.228.82] has quit [] 10:16:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DE87.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:32:58 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:33:13 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 10:51:56 *** douknoukem [~KEM@78.166.118.29] has joined #openttd 11:22:15 *** Coke [~peter@h-135-45.a254.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 11:22:42 <Coke> Hi guys. Is it possible to remove just one track or perhaps even one tile in a station without destroying the whole thing? 11:24:59 <Noldo> use the bulldozer thingie 12:21:05 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:dc99:bea8:2cd4:a89a] has joined #openttd 12:21:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:29:03 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 12:30:02 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:35:39 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:48:46 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:50:46 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 12:51:04 *** Firzen [~Neon@dslb-094-219-187-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:57:47 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-025-239.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:04:54 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10:24 <Coke> Noldo: it destoys the entire station? Not the bomb? 13:11:38 <MNIM> Coke: select build station, then select the buldozer 13:12:15 <planetmaker> dynamite != bulldozer 13:12:50 <MNIM> silly PM. not everybody knows that != = =/= 13:13:51 <planetmaker> yeah... and handwritten the ! above the = even means by definition 13:14:45 <michi_cc> MNIM: Not everybody knows that =/= = â :p 13:14:53 <MNIM> lol 13:15:13 <MNIM> that's about the best representation i can give without having to start up character map 13:15:18 <MNIM> hmmmh 13:15:19 <MNIM> or wait 13:15:28 * MNIM opens the autoreplace settings 13:15:30 <MNIM> duhh 13:16:15 <MNIM> I\'m 13:16:20 <MNIM> hmmmh. odd 13:16:27 <MNIM> that was supposed to be a null. 13:17:10 <planetmaker> well... the â is for me alt+0 13:18:04 <planetmaker> and it was of course the last key I tested :-P 13:21:42 *** lessthanfour [lt3@d64-180-56-85.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:22:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Coke: select the build station tool, and press the "R" key 13:23:10 <Eddi|zuHause> (works with most other tools as well) 13:37:40 <peter1138> alt-0 is window 0 :p 13:38:08 <peter1138> â 13:38:13 <peter1138> ⌠13:38:14 <peter1138> hm 13:39:14 *** WMP [~oftc@auburn.sored.pl] has joined #openttd 13:39:33 <WMP> hello 13:39:52 <Terkhen> hi WMP 13:41:15 <WMP> i have ask about gameplay ;) I http://wstaw.org/m/2011/08/11/plasma-desktopRf1824.jpg 13:41:21 <WMP> i have: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/08/11/plasma-desktopRf1824.jpg 13:41:23 <WMP> :) 13:41:27 <WMP> and this is good? 13:41:49 <WMP> train on bottom is stopped 13:41:59 <glx> it's a jpg, it can't be good :) 13:42:09 <WMP> :) 13:42:35 <Alberth> having cross-overs at every block seems a bit overkill 13:43:02 <WMP> this is trail to test 13:43:04 <WMP> rail* 13:45:13 <WMP> i shoud add other signals? 13:45:17 <Alberth> I normally only have such connections at every depot stop 13:45:42 <Alberth> if you want to have cross-overs, path signals seem fine 13:45:48 <Alberth> did you run tests? 13:45:59 <WMP> Alberth: without normal signals? 13:46:10 <WMP> yes ;) 13:46:36 <Alberth> did it work? if so, I'd say it is good :) 13:46:48 <Alberth> or did you want to know something specific? 13:47:46 <WMP> and without normal signals train can drive if block between path signal is empty 13:49:57 <Alberth> 'without normal signals', does that mean no signals at all? 13:50:05 <WMP> yes 13:50:17 <WMP> i have this on my screenshot 13:50:42 <Alberth> if you don't have any signals, you can have one train 13:50:58 <Alberth> and one train only 13:51:41 <Alberth> a block that gets entered through path signals can have several trains in the same block 13:53:59 <WMP> hmmm, look: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/08/11/plasma-desktopmy1824.jpg 13:54:42 <Alberth> what should I see? 13:54:51 <WMP> 8 - wait for free road 13:54:57 <WMP> 3 and 28: is stopped 13:55:13 <Alberth> that seems right 13:55:20 <WMP> " gets entered through path signals can have several trains in the same block" 13:55:56 <WMP> maybe i wrong understand 13:56:12 <Alberth> a train reserves a path from the point where it is to the next signal. On that path no other train must be present 13:56:48 <WMP> ok 13:56:50 <Alberth> 8 cannot reserve a path to a next signal without needing a piece of rail where another train is 13:56:54 <Alberth> thus it waits 13:57:10 <WMP> so all is good? 13:57:13 <Alberth> oh, sorry it is even stronger 13:57:41 <Alberth> each train reserves a path in the block, and those paths may not have shared tracks 13:58:31 <WMP> yes 13:59:10 <Alberth> thus if a block has one exit, you can have only one train in a block, even with path signals 13:59:25 <Alberth> one train in *that* block 13:59:46 <WMP> maybe i shoud add other signals to make fluent move? 14:00:18 <Alberth> if you have stopped trains it will never move fluently :) 14:00:43 <WMP> yes, but look on this: 14:01:43 <WMP> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/08/11/plasma-desktopaU1824.jpg 14:02:18 <WMP> why 3 cant drive? 14:02:26 <WMP> this isn;t fluently :( 14:05:04 <Alberth> probably depends on its order, but I don't really know the details of that 14:05:46 <Alberth> trains will drive after each other, at about 1 block distance, in my experience 14:06:25 <Alberth> although with that many cross-overs, the path-finder will try to be smart and constantly move trains between both tracks 14:06:35 <Alberth> better have less cross-over opportunities 14:06:55 <WMP> Alberth: coult you give me tutorial with cross-over? 14:07:27 <Alberth> not sure whether it exists 14:07:39 <WMP> :( 14:07:40 <Alberth> many people play without break down 14:08:03 <Alberth> I play with break down, and have cross overs every screen or less 14:08:41 <Alberth> normally also with a depot, but then you have trains entering/exiting a depot at the main line, which you may not like 14:11:53 <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/depots.png <-- bottom 2 tracks go from left -> right 14:12:23 <Alberth> I just measured, the next such cross-over is 60 tiles further 14:12:48 <Alberth> and I have signals every 6 or 8 or so tiles 14:14:18 <WMP> hmmm 14:14:20 <WMP> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/08/11/plasma-desktopko1824.jpg 14:14:26 <WMP> why 8 wait? 14:14:55 <WMP> ok 14:15:03 <WMP> i know ;) 14:15:12 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 14:16:08 <WMP> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/08/11/plasma-desktopYA1824.jpg - this is my depo 14:17:48 <Alberth> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/08/11/plasma-desktopko1824.jpg <-- 3 is moving from left to right, it cannot pass the signals, so it goes back 14:18:04 <Alberth> thus its reserved path uses both tracks 14:18:40 <Alberth> thus train 8 cannot reserve a path without using track pieces reserved by train 3 14:18:45 <Alberth> thus it waits :) 14:19:43 <WMP> but now: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/08/11/plasma-desktopUT1824.jpg 14:19:45 <WMP> ? 14:21:31 <Alberth> ieky depots you have :) I have seen people do http://wiki.openttd.org/Right-of-way_Depot#Advanced_depot_configurations 14:22:53 <WMP> "ieky"? 14:23:04 <Alberth> in your last screen shot, the path-finder may consider the detour around the stopped train too long 14:23:28 * Alberth ponders a good translation for 'ieky' 14:24:08 <Alberth> ieky means mostly 'weird and wonderful' :) 14:24:41 <Alberth> (at least that's what I meant to say :) ) 14:25:04 <WMP> ughhh... so how to make this cross-over good? In train stoped all other trains drive on opposite rail 14:26:21 <Alberth> if you want to have two tracks, both should lead to the same destination 14:26:53 <WMP> i want to have 10 tracks 14:27:05 <WMP> and this is highway 14:27:12 <WMP> highway/bus ;) 14:27:12 <Alberth> 10!!!????? 14:27:14 <planetmaker> 10? one per train or what? 14:27:40 <WMP> oughh 14:27:41 <WMP> sorry ;) 14:27:44 <Alberth> 2 is more than sufficient for about 99.9% of the cases 14:27:45 * planetmaker only remembers very rare occasions where more than 6 were needed 14:27:50 <WMP> 10 train 14:28:08 <WMP> and 4 tracks 14:28:16 <WMP> 2 in > 14:28:18 <WMP> and 2 in < 14:28:24 <Alberth> how long 14:28:26 <Alberth> ? 14:29:00 <WMP> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/08/11/plasma-desktopUT1824.jpg 14:29:02 <WMP> :) 14:29:10 <WMP> on http://wstaw.org/m/2011/08/11/plasma-desktopzW1824.jpg 14:29:13 <WMP> sorry: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/08/11/plasma-desktopzW1824.jpg 14:30:16 <Alberth> 10 trains is not much, you probably don't need 4 tracks 14:30:31 <WMP> but i want ;) 14:31:25 <Alberth> that's a good enough reason :) 14:31:32 <WMP> :) 14:32:13 <WMP> and i have bug: whan i divert train on big speed, train in this same point have speed 0 ;) 14:32:20 <WMP> or is stopped 14:32:38 <WMP> from 200 to 0 in this same point? wow! 14:33:05 <Alberth> the program has very good brakes ;) 14:33:20 <WMP> very, very good ;) 14:34:33 <WMP> moscow have 90k poopulation 14:34:53 <WMP> why i have on my terminal only 60 peoples? 14:35:50 <Alberth> provide better service 14:36:14 <Alberth> always have a train loading 14:36:20 <WMP> i'm only in moscow 14:37:07 <Alberth> make a moscow <-> moscow connection :) 14:37:24 <Alberth> as long as you use two stations, it will work 14:37:46 <WMP> to other station in moscow? 14:45:02 <Alberth> sure, moscow-north and moscow-south :) 14:45:15 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:45:51 <Alberth> I often put 3 or more stations around a city and have lots of trains driving around in circles 14:53:41 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 14:57:11 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:59:54 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 15:46:34 *** JVassie [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 15:59:43 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 16:00:38 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:09:42 *** Juo [~Juo@87-194-64-202.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Juo] 16:15:06 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:39:34 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:41:54 *** CiprianI [~bisericae@109.99.23.30] has joined #openttd 16:43:02 <CiprianI> I want to install some newGRFs but I don't know how manually to them, since there is no OPEN TTD/data in My Documents, but there is "OpenTTD\content_download\data" full with ".tar" newGRFs and not .grf 16:43:06 <CiprianI> :s 16:43:39 <CiprianI> Might you help me, please? 16:46:52 <CiprianI> ... 16:46:55 <Eddi|zuHause> do not put things in content_download 16:47:20 <Eddi|zuHause> this is the place where ingame downloads are stored, so your changes may be overwritten 16:47:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:47:41 <Eddi|zuHause> OpenTTD\data must be the directory, if it does not exist, create it 16:50:38 <CiprianI> Thanks 16:51:59 <planetmaker> as the readme verbosely talks about ;-) 16:53:43 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:00:31 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:01:03 *** CiprianI [~bisericae@109.99.23.30] has left #openttd [] 17:01:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:01:48 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 17:04:54 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:06:18 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-153-168.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:21 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-018-110.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 17:12:19 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:13:42 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:28:17 <Coke> Eddi|zuHause & MNIM & planetmaker : thanks! :) 17:28:56 <Coke> If I have a newerf (swedish trains) and someone wants to play with on LAN, they too have to install that grf manually, right? 17:29:01 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:30:24 <Coke> Also, is it considered "cheating" to loan a lot of money for a quicker start? I don't know why, but I'm reluctant to loan money even in a game. Hehe. 17:30:41 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc11-acto2-2-0-cust244.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:31:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6f0e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:33:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, they have to, and no, it's not 17:33:43 <Eddi|zuHause> if the server owner wants to, he can set the difficulty level so you can't loan anymore money 17:33:51 <Coke> Ok. Im trying the swedish town names now, it's hilarious. Looks like towns that could really exist. 17:34:07 <Coke> Are we really that predictable when it comes to town names? :) 17:35:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host178-232-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:37:20 <Wolf01> oddink 17:43:01 *** pjpe [~pjpe@173-230-161-25.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 17:45:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r22733 /trunk/src/lang/ (romanian.txt unfinished/basque.txt unfinished/persian.txt): 17:45:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: basque - 78 changes by Thadah 17:45:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: persian - 55 changes by Peymanpn 17:45:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: romanian - 2 changes by tonny 17:56:23 <Alberth> evenink Wolf01 17:57:29 <Alberth> Coke: depends on the town name grf, some are simply lists of existing cities, others are made up 18:30:22 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:03:35 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:19:38 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-213-43.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:22:30 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1961e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 19:25:16 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1961e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:33:23 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e090e25.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 19:35:20 *** JVassie [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:35:51 *** JVassie [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 19:36:21 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20:00:11 * andythenorth wonders 20:00:29 <andythenorth> the 'change year' cheat calls a function? 20:01:30 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:06:46 <Hirundo> yes, it calls ClickChangeDateCheat indirectly 20:09:15 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc11-acto2-2-0-cust244.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Juo] 20:10:32 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 20:11:16 <andythenorth> hmm 20:11:24 <andythenorth> could a patch call that once per year? 20:14:25 <Hirundo> In principle yes, the best way would be to move the 'reset stuff when the year magically changes' to a common function an call that both from your patch and from the date cheat function 20:15:03 * andythenorth ponders a dumber approach to daylength issues :P 20:15:08 <andythenorth> pikka gave me the idea 20:16:18 <andythenorth> meanwhile: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY_CzPD2cYs&feature=share 20:27:34 <frosch123> the drivers sit on the wrong side 20:28:39 <andythenorth> indeed 20:37:57 *** pjpe [~pjpe@173-230-161-25.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 20:49:27 *** DJNekkid [~djnekkid@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:28 *** avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:27 <Wolf01> 'night(ly) 20:50:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host178-232-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:50:58 *** tneo [~tneo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:02 *** Osai [~Osai@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:23 *** V453000 [~V453000@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:23 *** Ammler [~ammler@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:52 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:53 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:52:02 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:52:12 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:52:17 *** SmatZ [~smatz@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:55:16 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:58 *** Mez_ [~chatzilla@84.93.185.100] has joined #openttd 21:01:13 *** Mez_ is now known as CraKinShOt 21:01:55 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 21:01:57 *** Firzen [~Neon@dslb-094-219-187-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... 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21:30:08 <KittenKoder> ??? 21:30:24 <KittenKoder> Best not to put any signals between the depots and main track. 21:30:49 <KittenKoder> If I understand your question. 21:32:00 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 21:33:30 <Coke> No. 21:33:40 <Coke> I have two station tracks + 1 depot 21:33:55 <Coke> if the station is occupied by two trains I'd like the arriving train to wait in the depot 21:34:19 <KittenKoder> Oh, then yeah. 21:34:35 <Coke> Hm, it says "waiting for free path" in my test 21:34:58 <KittenKoder> That means it's waiting for a track to free up. 21:35:14 <supermop_> coke, yes you can use it like that 21:35:24 <Coke> supermop_: hm. i wonder why my test dint work 21:35:44 <supermop_> do like this: 21:36:01 <KittenKoder> Perhaps your other lights are misplaced or there's a stuck reserve. 21:36:25 <CraKinShOt> I think they'll keep going in and out of the depo 21:36:42 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-54-128.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has joined #openttd 21:36:47 <supermop_> ====P=v=SSSSSSP 21:37:03 <supermop_> where = is track, P is path signal, 21:37:10 <supermop_> v is where depot is 21:37:16 <supermop_> and s is station 21:37:40 <supermop_> so long as the station is full, all new trains will enter depot 21:38:05 <supermop_> as soon as station is clear, the top train in the depot will leave 21:38:23 <supermop_> but until then it will not block new trains from entering the depot 21:40:01 <Coke> it doesnt do that for me 21:40:38 <supermop_> hm 21:40:58 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:42:17 <Coke> I have the two tracks do a zig zag just before the station so either can be picked 21:42:33 <Coke> hang on 21:46:08 <Coke> nope 21:48:13 <Coke> it only works if the exit signal is in both directions 21:48:30 *** pjpe [~pjpe@173-230-161-25.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 21:49:04 <Coke> nope. wont go to the depot 21:49:56 <supermop_> wait are you use path signals or entry/exit signals? 21:51:07 <Coke> a path signal 21:51:32 <Coke> i had a problem in the zigzag area if trains entered from north and south at the same time 21:51:58 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:59 <Coke> and i didnt have the space for longer entry/exit, so I read you could use the depots as escape stop 21:54:03 <Coke> seems the patherfinder cant see the exit 21:57:24 <Coke> this is just weird and its getting late 21:57:47 <Coke> seems like only one of the engines wants to pass through the path signal, the other waits eveven thoug theres a nice path available 21:58:43 <CraKinShOt> sounds like a stuck reservation 22:00:29 <KittenKoder> That's what I would think. 22:00:51 <CraKinShOt> Options -> Interface -> Display Options -> Show Reservation 22:01:16 <CraKinShOt> if you have a lone piece that is greyed out, then its stuck and you need to rebuild it 22:01:25 <Coke> show reserved tracks? 22:01:29 <CraKinShOt> yeah 22:02:01 <CraKinShOt> at least that is my guess 22:02:29 <Coke> what should I see? 22:02:35 <Coke> no grey pieces 22:02:44 <Coke> well, except the metal on the rail 22:02:53 <Coke> wait 22:02:58 <duckblaster> some tracks will be darker 22:03:03 <Coke> exactly 22:03:06 <duckblaster> those are reserved 22:03:09 <Coke> why is that? 22:03:29 <duckblaster> only the train that reserved that track can use it 22:03:35 <duckblaster> untill it is released 22:03:50 <duckblaster> when the train leaves that peice 22:04:06 <duckblaster> track can only be reserved once at a time 22:04:06 <CraKinShOt> If the bug it still present, sometimes they get stuck 22:04:43 <Coke> theres no train on the greyed out piece 22:04:47 <CraKinShOt> if you have grey track somewhere where there is no train then its stuck 22:04:56 <Coke> and the depot still doesnt work 22:05:00 <CraKinShOt> rebuild that piece 22:05:10 <Coke> it still stops when the two station tracks are occupied even tho a depot is available 22:05:30 <CraKinShOt> they won't go for the depo by default 22:05:37 <CraKinShOt> they'll wait for the station to free up 22:05:47 <KittenKoder> The escape depot I have never gotten to work with PBS. 22:06:37 <Coke> right, so I was right from the start, using them as a safe stop point after a path signal just doesnt work 22:06:52 <CraKinShOt> nope 22:06:57 <Coke> hmmmm. 22:07:14 <Coke> so how do you guys solve it? big parking lot? 22:07:21 <CraKinShOt> just have double tracks and a long entry stretch. the trains will build up on there and allow trains to exit the station 22:08:25 <CraKinShOt> bar that set up a loader to supply that station with more product, so your trains don't wait around 22:09:16 <Coke> I usually have a 7x7 on busy spots 22:09:39 <Coke> the problem are the long congestions just before if I have an incoming double track 22:09:58 <KittenKoder> I use rail "yards", basically parking lots. 22:10:09 <Coke> there is a way I could force them to depot i think 22:11:01 <KittenKoder> But lately I've been on a minimalist streak, working an entire game with about 50 trains total. 22:11:07 <CraKinShOt> if space is an issue just have another station further out and a loop of trains that supply the bigger one 22:11:09 <michi_cc> Coke: A depot is a safe stopping point, but as it is not the actual destination of the train in question, reversing through a depot will be heavily penalised in the pathfinder over the direct route (yapf.rail_depot_reverse_penalty controls that) 22:12:04 <KittenKoder> Also, drive-through stations, or ROROs, tend to work best in high traffic spots. 22:12:35 *** jackk [~5c15dcef@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:12:55 <jackk> Jeesus, this is busy. Didn't know you guys had an IRC, just logged off another one I use. 22:13:07 <KittenKoder> Well, hi. 22:13:31 <pjpe> coke how about you take a picture of your station thing 22:13:56 <jackk> I have just 1 issue I wanted to ask - Is it usual to have to download an AI for my game after I've downloaded the whole game? Because I never get any AI businesses in my games? 22:14:19 <pjpe> uh yeah 22:14:27 <pjpe> you get ai through the newgrf online content thing 22:14:40 <jackk> Ahh okay, I'll try negotiate my way through that now. 22:15:15 <KittenKoder> I liked the original AI ... I miss that one. 22:15:19 <Coke> michi_cc: what do you mean penalized? 22:15:28 <pjpe> aren't there a few original ai on the service 22:15:30 <pjpe> pretty sure there are 22:15:30 <jackk> They all seem to be town names etc. Is there AI somewhere in there amongst the huge list? 22:15:34 <pjpe> coke the way the pathfinder works 22:15:46 <pjpe> is how a* and basically all path finding/graph traversal algorithms work 22:15:51 <pjpe> it takes a bunch of possibilities 22:15:56 <pjpe> sees which one 'costs' more to go through 22:15:59 <pjpe> so if you have two tracks 22:16:06 <pjpe> one which goes through a station and one which doesn't 22:16:15 <KittenKoder> pjpe, I've tried a bunch but usually all they do is set up bus stations and 100 buses for every 2 stations. 22:16:15 <pjpe> the station will cost more and the pathfinder will not want to choose it 22:16:18 <pjpe> unless it has to 22:16:24 <Coke> So the path signal will allow the train to pass if I have the depot in the orders list? 22:16:27 <pjpe> yeah sounds about right for the original ai 22:16:47 <KittenKoder> The original one didn't do that when I played .... 22:17:08 <KittenKoder> But that was TTD. 22:17:57 <Coke> time to catch some Z's. have a good night fellas 22:18:19 *** Coke [~peter@h-135-45.a254.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:18:42 <jackk> Am I using the in-game newgrf content scanner to find new AI? Because all i'm seeing is town names etc. 22:19:14 <KittenKoder> Click Online Content on the main menu, not the NewGRF one. 22:19:54 <jackk> Ahh nice one. Any suggestions for relatively beginner players? 22:20:18 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-54-128.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:32 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 22:22:06 <KittenKoder> I didn't like any of them. 22:22:17 <pjpe> admiralai is the one that's recommended 22:22:19 <pjpe> in my mind 22:27:02 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 22:28:23 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1961e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 22:39:19 *** CraKinShOt [~chatzilla@84.93.185.100] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 5.0/20110615151330]] 22:40:13 *** jackk [~5c15dcef@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:45:26 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop_] 22:59:52 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:29 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:05:52 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-54-128.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has joined #openttd 23:08:04 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 23:15:04 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 23:17:23 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cea1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DE87.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:01 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 23:42:38 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:55:25 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-54-128.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]