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00:24:41 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-123-30.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 00:28:28 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 00:28:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 00:46:29 *** Priski [priski@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 00:48:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-37-205.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:50:58 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.84.107] has joined #openttd 00:57:37 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:55:07 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.84.107] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:57:02 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:59:09 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 02:00:55 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 02:26:32 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-153-102.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:28 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-211-248.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:38:22 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:52:02 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 03:16:56 <EyeMWing> When figuring tractive effort when real figures aren't available, what's a good value for the coefficient of friction? Theoretical max is .78, but that's crazy unrealistic. 03:17:34 <Elukka> i haven't the slightest idea, but i'd take an engine that does have its tractive effort known and fiddle with the equation until it results in something close 03:18:22 <EyeMWing> Oddly enough, the only locomotive I DON'T have a real value for is the only one I actually have a sales brochure for 03:18:50 <EyeMWing> I suppose I could just look at the US Set and assume oracle did his homework back in the day. 03:24:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75AC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:51:18 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 04:02:17 *** Xrufuian [~xrufuian_@pool-98-119-100-133.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:18:45 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:28:06 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 04:43:55 <EyeMWing> Huh. OTTD's realistic acceleration model is actually seriously damned realistic. 04:44:15 <EyeMWing> Punched in the exact real world numbers for this train, built a realistic consist 04:44:23 <EyeMWing> and it EXACTLY hits the real world performance figures. 04:47:57 <Elukka> that's a bit amazing 04:48:54 <EyeMWing> The bug reports for this will be delicious 04:49:19 <EyeMWing> "IT NEVER HITS ITS TOP SPEED!" (It doesn't in real life, either) 04:49:39 <EyeMWing> and "it takes a million years to get to that speed" (because it does) 04:50:52 <Elukka> my trains in 2cc don't either 04:51:03 <Elukka> though i'm running a little switching diesel because i can't afford any better :( 04:57:11 <Elukka> feature request: ship railroad 04:57:12 <Elukka> http://i.imgur.com/xqlHE.jpg 04:57:14 <Elukka> :P 04:57:17 <EyeMWing> Hrm 04:57:52 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-80-217.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:00:26 <Elukka> http://books.google.com/books?id=xyADAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PP1&lr&pg=RA1-PA37#v=onepage&q&f=true 05:00:42 <Elukka> ha, that was posted in a something awful thread 05:00:45 <Elukka> the second reply to that is "Someone needs to put atomic engines into OpenTTD." 05:01:42 <EyeMWing> I'm pretty sure there's a nuclear-fired steam engine somewhere 05:02:22 <Elukka> "Fun fact: a colleague of mine came in to the tech room on site one day laughing because he'd seen a loco come in with a fault. Looked up the fault code, turns out it's the fault that says you haven't had a fault in 28(? or so) days and to check shit to make sure it's still working." 05:02:51 <Elukka> "Our locos run 24/7 until they break and get dragged in dead or they hit their ~3-week maintenance block and come in for inspection. That is to say, they go mine<->port in a constant loop, stopping every 10-12 hours (as they pass the stations near the ports) to do a crew change but otherwise run literally 24/7 (or close to it) in most cases." 05:02:51 <Elukka> o_O 05:02:57 <EyeMWing> BMW makes locomotives? 05:05:55 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-248-23.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 05:06:09 *** TheMask96- [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 05:07:50 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:14:59 *** PhoenixII [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 05:18:28 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 05:20:20 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:27:15 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:36:40 *** jo2k [~Jonny@dslb-094-223-183-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 05:44:17 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 05:46:44 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 05:47:55 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has left #openttd [] 06:09:47 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 06:17:18 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@02789b72.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:27:23 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 06:31:47 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@nsc.ciup.fr] has joined #openttd 06:34:12 *** jo2k [~Jonny@dslb-094-223-183-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: jo2k] 06:34:22 *** jo2k [~Jonny@dslb-094-223-183-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:34:45 *** jo2k [~Jonny@dslb-094-223-183-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:55:24 *** PeanutHorst [~peanutlx@115-64-68-182.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:57:22 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:06:33 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@nsc.ciup.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:08:30 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:19:30 *** TheMask96- [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:23:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75272.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:25:56 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 07:33:41 *** Priski [priski@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:33:42 *** Priski [priski@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 07:38:46 *** AD [wilberforc@drinks.mountaindew.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:41:15 *** kamnet [4cb15be0@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:41:34 <kamnet> Good morning all. Long time, no see. 07:43:49 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:44:00 *** AD [wilberforc@drinks.mountaindew.org] has joined #openttd 07:44:02 <__ln__> true, the project has been C++ for years. 07:44:25 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd 07:44:29 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 07:44:37 *** AD is now known as Guest10085 07:53:42 *** Xrufuian [~xrufuian_@pool-98-119-100-133.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 08:05:00 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:08:37 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75272.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:09:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75272.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:10:57 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [] 08:16:09 <Terkhen> good morning 08:18:04 <Ammler> buenos dias 08:25:10 <Sacro> ÐÑÐžÐ¶ÐµÑ 08:25:17 <Sacro> *ÐÑÐžÐ²ÐµÑ 08:25:44 <Markk> Goedemorgen 08:32:19 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:34:28 <V453000> hm, plastic in Pikka basic industries should look like toyland grey-ish thing, or can it be colourful? What do you think? I am trying to compare it to other cargo sets ... would comparison to dyes/chemicals (ecs/firs) be appropriate? 08:35:37 <Terkhen> in the next version of OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles it will be carried in small barrels or covered 08:35:48 <Terkhen> I'd say it is more similar to chemicals 08:36:14 <V453000> right :) you know, I want to have all cargoes visible, putting those three in a see-through tanker 08:36:21 <V453000> guess it wont hurt if they are the same :) 08:36:38 <V453000> who plays PBI anyway.. 08:36:42 <Terkhen> makes sense for your set, but I don't think that any other set carries plastic in the open 08:37:03 <V453000> well, not in the open, it is in the tanker! :P 08:37:07 <Terkhen> we have barrels with different colours at the top for each cargo, chemicals, plastics and something similar 08:37:12 <Ammler> nuts! 08:37:18 <Terkhen> the tanker only has a sprite for chemicals... a warning sign 08:38:01 <V453000> but in the end ... I am going to have 2 wagons, one tanker with chemicals, one with plastic for toyland, so I guess PBI plastic can be put to either one without extra drawing effort :) solved 08:39:20 <b_jonas> shouldn't plastic look like little colored cubical packages of uniform size? 08:39:53 <V453000> I have absolutely no clue how "plastic" actually looks like 08:40:05 <b_jonas> I'm not saying it actually looks like that 08:40:18 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=40844&start=740 <-hmm... he really doesn't understand the benefit of using patch queues 08:40:18 <b_jonas> I'm saying it should look like that so it's more easily distinguishable 08:40:39 <b_jonas> just make sure it's not the same as goods (but goods is usually carried in closed wagons, it's colored cubes only on stations) 08:40:43 <V453000> :P 08:41:07 <V453000> it probably does not matter anyway 08:41:16 <V453000> it is just one cargo in PBI which I believe is not very played 08:41:37 <b_jonas> I'd like more wagons that clearly show whether they're full 08:42:03 <b_jonas> ideally all (except possibly mail and livestock) should be like that 08:42:04 <V453000> all of my wagons show whether they are full 08:42:14 <V453000> but there are only 3 kinds of empty ones 08:42:15 <b_jonas> what's the name of this GRF? 08:42:26 <V453000> well, NUTS ... in development 08:42:36 <b_jonas> oh 08:43:01 <V453000> you can find it on the openttdcoop devzone under "unrealistic train set" 08:45:17 <planetmaker> can someone tell ic111 that using a patch queue is not about distributed development at all, but about easing his work (and easing review of it)? 08:45:22 <planetmaker> I obviously failed :-P 08:46:09 <planetmaker> it's a shame to see a good idea so badly managed :-) 08:51:48 <Terkhen> I can try an indirect way 08:52:05 <Terkhen> but I already failed when trying it directly :P 08:54:26 <V453000> hm, what are refined products actually< 08:54:29 <V453000> ? 08:54:45 <V453000> some sort of liquid chemical? 08:57:21 <Terkhen> given that refined products and chemicals share a cargo label, I always considered them to be the same thing 08:57:23 <Eddi|zuHause> fuel oil, plastic, fertilizer, ... 08:58:13 <V453000> hmm, yeah, I am just trying to put them in "how does it actually look like" ... so some yellow-ish liquid? 08:59:30 <Eddi|zuHause> chemicals come in all kinds of colours 09:00:51 <Terkhen> random recolour? :P 09:00:51 <b_jonas> so it can be whatever color differs enough from other cargo? 09:01:22 <V453000> hmm >p 09:01:24 <V453000> :p 09:01:34 <V453000> I suppose 09:01:58 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't usually see the chemicals... why do you need their colour? 09:02:06 <TWerkhoven> transparant tankers? 09:02:54 <V453000> ^ 09:03:11 <MNIM> ...that's kindof interesting 09:03:24 <Eddi|zuHause> to differentiate fuel oil from heating oil (for tax reasons), they are added with different colours 09:03:55 <Eddi|zuHause> fuel oil gets slightly green-ish colour, while heating oil gets red 09:04:03 <V453000> true :) good point 09:04:05 <TWerkhoven> and theres white (colorless) and red (pink) diesel in some countries 09:04:37 <Markk> We have ethanol that is red here in Sweden. 09:04:37 *** PeanutHorst [~peanutlx@115-64-68-182.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:04:42 <Markk> Pure ethanol that is. 09:04:54 <Markk> Or ~99%-ish. 09:04:59 <MNIM> red diesel means diesel for agrarian purposes over here, for, you know, tractors, combines, that kind of things 09:05:05 <Markk> So that people won't drink it. 09:05:06 <TWerkhoven> and citroen uses biohazard-green hydraulic fluid, recentrly changed to bright orange 09:05:06 <MNIM> no tax over that 09:05:11 <V453000> ok, now technical question ... what is the maxium of possible refits for a single wagon< 09:05:12 <V453000> ? 09:05:41 <Eddi|zuHause> 32*256 09:05:53 <Terkhen> 32 cargos, 256 subtypes IIRC 09:06:02 <V453000> ooh 09:06:04 <Terkhen> but you can always use cargo classes / cargo labels for the rest 09:06:11 <MNIM> white diesel is your average 'get it at the pump' variety, with massive tax on top of it 09:07:08 <TWerkhoven> yup 09:07:19 <Terkhen> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/entry/src/truck_bulk.pnml#L181 <--- that is how my cargo sprite switch looks in ogfx-rv :P 09:07:31 <MNIM> so for people with agrarian machines it gets rather tempting to use their red diesel meant for the tractor for the family car too 09:07:53 <TWerkhoven> not that red is so much cheaper these days 09:08:08 <TWerkhoven> its not tax-free, just less taxed afaik 09:08:37 <V453000> Alright, and is that separate with for example firs/original? So I could make 1 wagon for all 29 FIRS cargoes, and one for all the default cargoes? 09:08:43 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 09:09:15 <Eddi|zuHause> the red colour is evil, after you filled your tank with it once, it can be measured even after >100 refills 09:09:43 <MNIM> very effective. 09:10:22 <MNIM> it's easier and cheaper to fill your tank with kerosene - if your engine can run it 09:10:32 <Terkhen> V453000: if you mean my code, it is separated by labels; that's the bulk truck, and it can carry all bulk cargos from all sets 09:10:48 <MNIM> but then you need to procure kerosene somewere 09:10:52 <V453000> no, in general 09:11:06 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: can you buy heating oil from a pump on a regular gas station over there? 09:11:15 <Terkhen> you could make a wagon for FIRS cargos and another one for default cargos, and you could make a universal wagon that carries cargo from every set 09:11:30 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: not that i know of... 09:11:57 <Terkhen> the 32 limit IIRC is for refittable_cargo_types 09:12:04 <__ln__> over here you can; not on every gas station, but many. 09:12:08 <V453000> what does that mean Terkhen ? :) 09:12:09 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: but if you have 4000l at home, it's not that difficult to get it into your tank... 09:12:36 <Terkhen> if you use refittable_cargo_classes and non_refittable_cargo_classes only, you have no limits 09:12:42 <Terkhen> then you can make a huge switch with all cargos 09:13:04 <V453000> oh :) okay 09:13:23 <V453000> so basically it is possible to have one wagon refittable to any cargo in the game 09:13:34 <V453000> and changing it's sprites accordingly 09:13:48 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 09:13:59 <V453000> good :) what I needed to hear, thanks 09:14:00 <__ln__> however, getting caught using heating oil instead of diesel results in a massive tax bill to pay. 09:14:03 <Terkhen> refittable_cargo_classes: bitmask(CC_PASSENGERS, CC_MAIL, ... , CC_OVERSIZED, ..., CC_whatever) 09:16:22 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:17:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A477.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:20:53 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-021-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:43:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6BCDA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:47:45 *** KenjiE20 [~Kenji@host-92-8-72-134.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 09:49:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.173.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:44 *** jotham [~jotham@66.35.48.56] has joined #openttd 10:19:56 <jotham> is there a way to double the size of the tiles? on my laptop it's quite tiny 10:20:00 <jotham> 15" 1920x1080 10:20:34 <Markk> That's a pretty huge laptop imo. 10:20:35 <Yexo> you could play fullscreen and chose a lower resolution 10:20:58 <Yexo> there is no other supported option 10:21:15 <Yexo> you can download the extra-zoom version, but it's a bit outdated by now 10:21:26 <peter1138> must be an old laptop 10:21:35 <peter1138> all the modern ones come with 1366x768 :( 10:22:02 <Yexo> mine has 1680x1050 10:22:13 <b_jonas> like these strange mini-laptops 10:22:47 <jotham> 1 year old w510 thinkpad 10:23:00 <__ln__> peter1138: that's because laptop manufacturers noticed OpenTTD is too tiny on the screen and in lack of a software solution, they chose to use smaller resolution screens. 10:23:00 <jotham> yeah i remember i think with ttdx there being a double size option 10:23:11 <jotham> if it was a mac it'd be fine 10:23:16 <jotham> love their zoom function in the os 10:23:43 <Yexo> jotham: there never ws with ttdx. There was a double-size option in very old versions of OpenTTD, but it only worked on windows 10:23:52 <jotham> ahh 10:26:48 <peter1138> yeah, do it the ttd way. set it to fullscreen 640x480 10:27:18 <jotham> le sigh 10:29:13 <b_jonas> what? ttd runs in a higher res than that 10:29:33 <__ln__> who? 10:30:53 <b_jonas> no, you're right, it's 640x480 10:31:00 <b_jonas> I don't know why I thoguht it was higher 10:31:57 <peter1138> well, back when it was new, 640x480 was high res 10:32:18 <b_jonas> sure, I just misremembered 10:32:50 <__ln__> was Locomotion also 640x480? 10:33:08 <b_jonas> no, Locomotion needs more hardware so I think it can run on higher res 10:33:20 <b_jonas> I'm not sure, I don't have a copy of it handy 10:33:23 <b_jonas> I don't like that game 10:34:04 <__ln__> It certainly didn't support very high resolutions in any case. 10:56:47 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75272.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:58:13 *** zachanima [~zach@0x52b41806.static.bcbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:03:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75272.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:04:10 <kamnet> So, if I get unlazy enough, I'm thinking about Fake Airports for OpenGFX. :) 11:06:02 *** Swissfan91 [Swissfan91@5e0ad068.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:08:05 <b_jonas> fake airports? what are those? 11:08:41 <kamnet> Station tiles/eyecandy that make airports look bigger 11:08:54 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1b6d3.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:09:00 <b_jonas> oh, you mean custom assemblable airports 11:09:06 <b_jonas> like the way newgrf stations work now 11:09:20 <kamnet> Well not really. Planes etc. won't actually use them. 11:09:45 <kamnet> But, they look pretty :-) 11:10:09 <jotham> screenshot of a cool newgrf stationnnn 11:10:17 <kamnet> Really though it needs redone in NML / NewObjects. I might see if I can rope WallyWeb into coding for it for me *chuckle* 11:10:19 <b_jonas> coudln't a newgrf just implement those as no-rail railway station tiles? 11:11:08 <kamnet> Yep. And that's what the current Fake Airport does. But because they're not rail tiles, and because they're just eyecandy, they should be redone as NewObjects. 11:11:26 <kamnet> But when Fake Airport was originally created 6-something years ago, there was no NewObjects yet. 11:11:51 <b_jonas> so you mean they shouldn't count in cargo collection/acceptance and station spread? 11:12:30 <kamnet> Nope, not necessary. 11:13:04 <b_jonas> I guess, with the large catchment area airports have these days, you don't need extra tiles for them 11:16:29 <kamnet> Nope 11:16:39 <kamnet> Here's a screenshot I did a long time ago 11:16:40 <kamnet> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=45856&start=20#p883239 11:18:12 <b_jonas> ah 11:18:24 <b_jonas> pity the real airport is still surrounded by a fence 11:18:34 <b_jonas> but it looks nice 11:18:38 <b_jonas> withthe large airport building 11:19:00 <b_jonas> with train coming in 11:20:16 <b_jonas> and all the cars 11:21:38 <kamnet> Yep. The Fake Airport tiles are to the left and bottom of the airport. They need redone. 11:22:07 <kamnet> The original author decided to make his own color of asphalt instead of using something closer to the original TTD tiles 11:23:04 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 11:23:10 <Eddi|zuHause> un-fencing the real airport can be done 11:23:15 <kamnet> The hangars don't match with the TTD ones either. 11:23:28 <kamnet> Yeah, it *SHOULD* be done. 11:23:55 <b_jonas> Eddi|zuHause: sure, just turn off full detail 11:23:59 <b_jonas> :-) 11:24:09 <Eddi|zuHause> b_jonas: no, i mean by the newgrf 11:24:21 <Eddi|zuHause> like, detecting objects nearby and stuff 11:25:37 <kamnet> Would be nice if ChillCore could find some time to update his patch pack with a new OpenTTD revision. :D 11:26:03 <Eddi|zuHause> kamnet: there's a difficulty to distinguish original hangars, opengfx hangars, or some visual airport replacement hangars 11:27:00 <kamnet> There is? 11:27:38 <Eddi|zuHause> kamnet: i mean the newgrf can't properly detect which ones are actually used 11:28:23 <kamnet> Which NewGRF, specifically? 11:28:24 <Eddi|zuHause> kamnet: maybe you can reuse the original hangar sprite by the object, then you would catch at least all Action A replacements 11:28:45 <Eddi|zuHause> kamnet: i mean a hypothetical fake airport objects grf 11:29:49 <kamnet> Well you can't use the original hangar sprites from TTD. That would (hypothetically) get you in trouble. 11:30:44 <kamnet> But, I can replace the sprites in a copy of FA with the ones from OpenGFX+ 11:32:00 <kamnet> Really it's the asphalt that bothers me the most. 11:32:40 <Eddi|zuHause> kamnet: you can reference an original sprite without including it in the grf 11:33:20 <kamnet> I could, if I wanted to make something that worked with Original TTD. 11:33:20 <Eddi|zuHause> kamnet: look at the fenced land in opengfx+landscape, it automatically reuses the fence of whatever base set you use 11:33:49 <kamnet> I'm looking at this to specifically match OpenGFX. 11:33:57 <Eddi|zuHause> that is silly. 11:34:32 <kamnet> Quite possibly the silliest thing I've done since creating a rock to replace a transmitter :-) 11:36:38 <kamnet> If somebody wants to trouble themselves with writing that code, that's fine. But, sad to say, I neither have the time to bury my head back into old NFO, or try to figure out NML to a large degree. 11:37:23 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: you could reuse the sprite from the baseset, but it only has them in one rotation 11:37:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: indeed, that is a problem 11:37:47 <Yexo> if you want multiple rotations (to fit the rotated airports in opengfx+airports) you'll have to include sprites from that project 11:37:48 <kamnet> So if I can't figure out Wally's example NewObjects code, then I may opt to just do a sprite swap on a copy of Fake Airports. 11:38:00 <kamnet> Ah good point Yexo.:D 11:38:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: we could add the other rotations to the base set :p 11:38:32 <Yexo> you can't in a good way 11:38:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: afair RichK once made them to match the original hangars 11:39:01 <Yexo> you only grf you can add sprites to in the baseset is the extra grf, and those don't get static sprite numbers since those sprites are added by action5 11:39:43 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: so we need a way to access action-5 sprites? 11:39:58 <Yexo> yes, which doesn't exist yet 11:40:08 <Eddi|zuHause> they don't have absolute sprite numbers, but known IDs and positions within that ID 11:40:26 <Yexo> yes, I'm not saying it can't be done, just that it isn't done yet 11:40:40 <Yexo> and I don't see much relevance in adding those extra airport sprites to the baseset, they don't belong there 11:41:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: no, but then we only need to prepare the action 5 code, not actually include them. then a static grf could provide them 11:41:53 <Eddi|zuHause> that's probably a silly idea :p 11:45:46 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 11:48:57 <norbert79> Question: While I am happy to see, that Generic Linux binaries are linked statically again (caused me a bit of a headache figuring out which libraries I am missing), does this mean any changes to the minimum requirements? 11:49:13 <kamnet> What I'd really like to do is just a whole refresh on Fake Airports. First with OpenGFX, then with the rest of the graphics from Combined Airports. 11:49:33 <norbert79> good afternoon btw :) 11:49:53 <Eddi|zuHause> norbert79: what minimum requirements? 11:50:07 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: Behalf of libraries present, and Kernel minimum 11:50:19 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:50:40 <Eddi|zuHause> no idea what those are... 11:50:45 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: Example: While some libraries were already statically linked, SDL was to be expected to be present. 11:51:00 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: I mean such 11:54:02 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: Never mind, I assume it will be the same like before 1.1.2 12:12:34 *** kamnet [4cb15be0@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:12:34 <Belugas> hi 13:13:15 <norbert79> Hi Belugas 13:13:25 <Belugas> hi norbert79 :) 13:35:32 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:19:20 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 14:26:04 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d165:46e4:dc15:c77d] has joined #openttd 14:26:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:28:39 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 14:51:15 <__ln__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14899507 14:52:00 <Sacro> anyone python here? 14:52:06 <__ln__> monty? 14:53:28 <Rubidium> no, last time I checked I was human 14:57:30 <planetmaker> zzzzZZZZzzz 14:58:03 <planetmaker> gotta love meta questions :-) 14:58:22 <Terkhen> I saw a python once 14:58:23 <Terkhen> :P 14:58:38 <planetmaker> yeah... was like "zzzzZZZZzzz" ;-) 14:58:58 <planetmaker> maybe I should visit the Zoo again. Or maybe the nearby snake farm 14:59:06 <planetmaker> yes, that exists. I've no idea why 14:59:23 <Terkhen> heh 15:04:39 <Belugas> harvesting the snakes, when they all are mature enough 15:05:05 <planetmaker> maybe snake skin leather hand bags ;-) 15:05:41 *** mib_9xthg0 [4e54b511@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:09:42 *** mib_9xthg0 [4e54b511@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 15:09:51 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:40 <Belugas> indeed :) 15:10:44 <Belugas> and not for the seeds 15:10:46 *** mib_63nlpn [4e54b511@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:11:16 *** mib_63nlpn [4e54b511@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [] 15:11:29 <norbert79> Sacro: You might be interested in this freely available book, as start. http://www.briggs.net.nz/log/writing/snake-wrangling-for-kids/ 15:12:19 <Sacro> norbert79: thanks :D 15:12:31 <norbert79> Sacro: You're welcome :) 15:12:59 *** Parastais [4e54b511@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:13:48 <Sacro> section 2.5 had my answer! 15:15:23 <norbert79> Sacro: I keep a lot of such documents on my PC or the links to such, because I knew, that one day one will come looking for that specific book ;-) 15:15:37 <Sacro> norbert79: hehe :) 15:15:41 <Sacro> I'm anoob at python 15:17:49 <norbert79> Me too, never used it yet, but I still keep copies of documentations, for such occasions 15:22:30 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 15:23:40 *** loopcoop [~loopcoop@a-84-21.sc.andrews.edu] has joined #openttd 15:23:42 <TrueBrain> NOTICE: the website will be poorly reachable for the next 15 minutes due to a MySQL migration (you will receive errors; enjoy them). 15:24:26 <__ln__> unacceptable, we demand 100% uptime and availability 15:24:41 <TrueBrain> @kick __ln__ you knew this would be coming, wouldn't you? 15:24:41 *** __ln__ was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [you knew this would be coming, wouldn't you?] 15:25:21 *** __ln__ [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-77-86-195-192.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 15:25:26 * TrueBrain hugs __ln__ 15:25:36 * __ln__ hugs TB 15:36:21 <TrueBrain> right, 13 minutes later 15:36:25 <TrueBrain> everything should be back up and running 15:36:28 <TrueBrain> please report any problems here 15:50:49 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-008-225.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 16:06:06 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:09:07 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:14:26 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has quit [Quit: Exit stage left...] 16:20:48 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@nsc.ciup.fr] has joined #openttd 16:38:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:43:48 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:56:05 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-80-217.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:57:53 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-156-235-224.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:58:17 <LordAro> evenings 17:06:21 <Elukka> ah, one of those history channel ALIENS BUILT THE PYRAMIDS documentaries is on 17:06:51 <Elukka> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/1313454346289.jpg 17:07:43 <Rubidium> Elukka: oh, you mean Stargate SG-1? 17:08:02 <Elukka> it's pretty much the same except the hair is worse 17:10:48 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:16:42 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... in case i have the dump of the content of a windows disk, but no appropriate boot loader... where can i get one to boot this in a virtual machine? 17:17:15 <b_jonas> Eddi|zuHause: what version of Windows? 17:17:22 <Eddi|zuHause> 7, i think 17:17:38 <b_jonas> is the dump of a whole hard disk? 17:17:46 <b_jonas> of a partition? 17:17:55 <Eddi|zuHause> the content of a partition 17:19:00 <b_jonas> Eddi|zuHause: was that partition originally the first partition on a disk? 17:19:10 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, drive C: 17:19:36 <b_jonas> in that case the windows boot loader should probably be in the boot sector of that partition, 17:19:51 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i only have the filesystem content 17:19:52 <b_jonas> so you only need a boot loader that loads the first sector of that partition, 17:19:58 <b_jonas> oh, that's worse 17:20:05 <b_jonas> only filesystem content 17:20:12 <Eddi|zuHause> and i don't have an installation cd 17:20:23 <b_jonas> in that case, I don't know, ask someone who actually understands windows 17:20:23 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: boot with the ins... ok 17:21:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i actually don't think i have any windows installation cd at all currently... 17:27:36 <Rubidium> some rescue disk like the ultimate boot cd? 17:27:52 <Rubidium> might have some mbr "recover" stuff for Windows 17:28:49 *** KenjiE20 [~Kenji@host-92-8-72-134.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:31:22 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff1fc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:38:07 <Eddi|zuHause> other question: how do i decode the windows registry? 17:42:08 <SmatZ> there is an offline registry editor/viewer, iirc 17:44:06 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: http://pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/ maybe 17:44:16 <SmatZ> actually there seem to be many utilites for that purpose 17:44:30 <SmatZ> This is a utility to reset the password of any user that has a valid local account on your Windows system. 17:44:37 <SmatZ> hmm so it only resets the password... 17:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r22930 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed) 17:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: estonian - 32 changes by notAbot 17:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: hungarian - 6 changes by IPG 17:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: luxembourgish - 17 changes by Phreeze 17:45:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: slovak - 67 changes by klingacik 17:45:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: turkish - 4 changes by niw3 17:46:19 <Eddi|zuHause> interesting tool... might need that on a different thing ;) 17:46:53 <SmatZ> :) 17:48:04 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 17:53:47 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.233.237.150] has joined #openttd 17:54:30 <Wolf01> evenink 17:57:16 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 17:57:18 <z-MaTRiX> :) 18:03:36 *** KenjiE20 [~Kenji@host-92-8-72-134.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 18:07:17 *** loopcoop [~loopcoop@a-84-21.sc.andrews.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:18:52 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:29:03 <EyeMWing> That NT password resetter has saved my ass at least twice. Highly recommended. 18:31:23 *** Anon_ [~5ea8cf0f@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:32:08 *** Anon_ [~5ea8cf0f@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [] 18:34:58 *** zachanima [~zach@0x52b41806.static.bcbnet.dk] has joined #openttd 18:35:17 <Elukka> Eddi|Zuhause: any idea what oberhÃŒmer did with the top horizontal in https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/1879/pr_3_abteilwagen_4kl_lu7.png ? 18:35:29 <Elukka> i don't understand why he made the overlapping part magic blue on one side but not the other 18:35:30 <appe> i cant get the grf download to work 18:35:50 <appe> its stalled at "begÀr filer" (requesting files) 18:36:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Elukka: dunno either 18:36:15 <Eddi|zuHause> appe: poke TrueBrain 18:36:36 <Yexo> TrueBrain: ^^ nl mirror is down again 18:36:43 <TrueBrain> again? 18:36:44 <TrueBrain> ugh 18:36:48 <TrueBrain> where is lennard ... 18:36:53 <Elukka> i also do agree with him now that my version is too textured, but his looks a bit too muted to me 18:37:00 <appe> oh wait 18:37:04 <appe> nope, doesnt work. 18:37:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Elukka: it's a little too dark, i think 18:37:25 <Elukka> gonna try some kind of middle ground 18:37:36 <Elukka> and will add the buffers to both ends... dunno why i didn't think of that 18:38:20 <TrueBrain> Yexo: it wasn't really. The balancer crashed :D 18:39:18 <appe> it's up again. 18:39:24 <Yexo> gb.binaries.openttd.org (and de.) still worked, while nl.binaries.openttd.org did not 18:39:30 <Yexo> so my conclusion was a bit too fast 18:39:41 <TrueBrain> Yexo: weird; the whole balancer (and his supervisor) was off :P 18:42:59 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:43:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:48:25 *** Francis [~flherne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:52:28 <LordAro> hai Alberth :) 18:52:32 <LordAro> see pm 18:52:53 *** Rezt [~Rezt@81-178-202-251.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 18:55:27 *** Rezt [~Rezt@81-178-202-251.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [] 18:57:48 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:57:57 <andythenorth> hola 18:58:01 <LordAro> hi andy 18:58:52 <Alberth> hi LordAro 18:59:30 <Alberth> hi Andy 19:00:33 <Alberth> LordAro: just found your PM, currently trying to understand it :) 19:01:53 *** jo2k [~Jonny@dslb-094-223-183-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:04:54 <Alberth> LordAro: "... the string seems to be being truncated strangely" what does that mean? 19:07:07 <Alberth> computers don't behave 'strange' usually, they just do what we tell them to do, the result may however not always be what we expect :) 19:09:10 <Alberth> did you got a working version with the two loops after each other? 19:09:24 <Alberth> hmm, s/got/get/ 19:23:17 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-156-235-224.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:23:57 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:32:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:33:41 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:37:25 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-122-134.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:52:01 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:56:03 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-156-235-224.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:00:44 <Elukka> heh. rockall freighters carrying stone 20:01:03 <LordAro> what did i miss? 20:01:22 <LordAro> hmm. apparently nothing :) 20:02:08 <Alberth> 21:11 -> 21:25 is larger than 480 seconds :) 20:02:50 <LordAro> (i checked logs ;) ) 20:03:07 <Alberth> much safer :) 20:03:51 <LordAro> Alberth: by truncating strings i mean characters are duplicated, lines 'cut' in strange places, and charcters missing 20:04:19 <Alberth> ok, that makes sense to me :) 20:04:36 <Alberth> it is just a bit hard to explain :( 20:05:02 <LordAro> if i was clever, i would have managed to record what was being 'drawn', but i didn't :) 20:05:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Ctrl+S is your friend 20:05:34 <Alberth> next time, you will be more smart I am sure :) 20:05:41 <LordAro> troo 20:05:51 <LordAro> *2 20:06:25 <Eddi|zuHause> that isn't even a word 20:08:51 <LordAro> shh! 20:16:04 *** _1009 [~chatzilla@b85159.upc-b.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:18:12 <Alberth> LordAro: PM for you 20:18:13 <planetmaker> hello 20:18:21 <Alberth> hello planetmaker 20:18:37 <LordAro> Alberth: danke 20:18:51 <LordAro> (yes, that's about the only word of german i know :) ) 20:19:09 <planetmaker> so what makes you think he speaks German? ;-) 20:19:13 * Alberth was already wondering whether LordAro lived in Germany :) 20:19:35 <LordAro> :) 20:19:43 <Alberth> Ich spreche ja gar kein Deutsch 20:20:01 <LordAro> planetmaker: nothing, just that there are lots of german speakers in this channel 20:21:01 <planetmaker> less than you might think ;-) 20:21:12 <planetmaker> at least less native speakers 20:21:32 * planetmaker knows... 6 20:21:39 <planetmaker> 7 20:22:14 <planetmaker> ok, maybe 10 or a dozen 20:22:23 <Alberth> but I get lots of German emails @ openttd :p 20:22:25 <frosch123> Ik spreek geen Duits. 20:22:37 <__ln__> *fewer 20:24:02 <frosch123> Wat dacht je van een Nederlandse dagen? 20:24:07 <planetmaker> hehe, Alberth :-) 20:24:13 <Rubidium> ek praat nie duits nie? 20:24:23 <planetmaker> Granted, first when I saw you(r nick), I assumed the same 20:24:33 <Rubidium> frosch123: the last one doesn't quite make sense 20:25:18 <frosch123> yeah. it might be still good enough for the forums :p 20:25:39 <Rubidium> "what did you think of a Dutch days" 20:27:11 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@02789b72.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:27:12 <frosch123> i tried to suggest speaking dutch for a day :p 20:27:31 <frosch123> though danish might also be an idea :p 20:28:53 <LordAro> Alberth: was my problem (very basically) really just an if statement in the wrong place? 20:28:56 * LordAro sighs 20:29:33 <Alberth> wait until you spend a week finding a , too many :p 20:29:58 <Rubidium> in those very long settings tables you mean? ;) 20:30:01 <Alberth> or 3 weeks before you find that the C compiler is broken 20:30:22 <LordAro> i think i spent at least a day with something to do with a ';' 20:30:39 <Rubidium> or with brainfuck? ;) 20:30:53 <Alberth> Rubidium: no, C/C++ is much too friendly, use Python instead 20:31:07 <Alberth> or the whitespace language :) 20:31:15 <LordAro> and i spent a good hour yesterday trying to compile some other c++ with gcc :D 20:31:43 <Alberth> always fun, especially if the code is old 20:32:05 <Rubidium> Alberth: well, some of my coworkers have a habit of removing my "carefully" (end of statement) placed semicolons from python code ;) 20:33:08 <LordAro> i would've though gcc would detect c++ (#include <iostream>, or similar) better than spewing huge, strange errors :) 20:33:22 <Rubidium> though more interesting are threading issues; easily created with labview. Got to love to find those. The debugger never finds them 20:34:03 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.210.146] has joined #openttd 20:34:05 <Rubidium> LordAro: the compiler has no clue about that include; it's already replaced by the preprocessor 20:34:07 <Alberth> I carefully stay away from any form of threading 20:34:24 <LordAro> Rubidium: good point 20:34:32 <LordAro> the preprocessor then :P 20:34:58 <Alberth> preprocessor just sees the code as a big piece of text without meaning :) 20:35:14 <Rubidium> also, when is something C++ and when not? With #include "stdio.h" it can as well be C++, but it would fail to detect 20:35:33 <Alberth> LordAro: that's why you can use it for pre-processing NML for example 20:35:41 <LordAro> meh, still should be better :P 20:36:14 <Rubidium> ... it could even be valid C, in which case gcc would just emit C code 20:36:28 <Rubidium> but then another unit is detected as C++ and voila... they don't link anymore 20:36:30 <LordAro> the 'pre-processor' is the same for every compiler? i would've thought it would be different 20:36:41 <Rubidium> C++ encodes functions names differently than C does 20:37:06 <Rubidium> LordAro: the preprocessor differs; MSVC has a different one to GCC 20:39:09 * LordAro learns stuff 20:42:29 <Yexo> LordAro: a lot of newgrf projects on the openttdcoop devzone use the GCC preprocessor for NFO and NML files. That shows how much the preprocessor cares about the contents of the files it processes 20:43:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff1fc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46:35 <SmatZ> wtf.. you can rate the girl's look from 1 to 10, but there is one that has 10,4 20:46:40 <SmatZ> as average 20:46:41 <SmatZ> hmm 20:46:48 <planetmaker> :-) 20:47:07 <planetmaker> goddes of insanity? 20:47:32 <SmatZ> hehe :) 20:47:37 <SmatZ> I wonder what my rating is 20:47:48 <Alberth> planetmaker: that's not mutual exclusive :) 20:48:32 <SmatZ> http://libimseti.cz/smatz that's one really old photo... 20:48:41 <SmatZ> ~8 years old 20:48:58 <SmatZ> would you guess it's me? :D 20:50:00 <planetmaker> Alberth: I never meant to imply that. Rather on the contrary 20:51:34 <__ln__> SmatZ: is that a nokia 3310? 20:52:02 <planetmaker> looks somewhat different, SmatZ :-) 20:52:07 <SmatZ> __ln__: I think so, maybe nokia 3330... it wasn't my phone after all :) 20:52:14 <planetmaker> though... it looks indeed like a young(er) verison of you 20:52:20 <SmatZ> :-D 20:52:27 <planetmaker> I have a 1-year old one ... it's still online :-P 20:52:31 <SmatZ> :D 20:52:56 <planetmaker> I'll be a good boy and not post the link :-P 20:53:04 <SmatZ> nah :) 20:53:24 <Alberth> good night 20:53:28 <planetmaker> g'night Alberth 20:53:38 <SmatZ> good night Alberth 20:53:57 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:55:38 <planetmaker> hm... the photo of r20k being committed :-) 20:55:57 <SmatZ> :D 20:56:30 <SmatZ> I can't believe it's over a years since the r20k party 20:56:35 <planetmaker> yeah.... 20:56:35 <SmatZ> -s 20:56:50 <Yexo> and r30k is still nowhere near :( 20:56:58 <SmatZ> :-( 20:57:05 <planetmaker> :-( 20:57:11 <planetmaker> and r22222 is past 20:57:14 <SmatZ> maybe there could be a r23k party 20:57:24 <planetmaker> pretty soonish, eh? :-) 20:57:24 <__ln__> r25k has been speculated about 20:57:33 <SmatZ> :) 20:57:53 <planetmaker> r23456 ? 20:58:49 <SmatZ> :-) 20:59:10 <Yexo> given the average time between commits r25k might be approximately 1.2.0 20:59:22 <LordAro> night all 20:59:22 <planetmaker> :-) 20:59:28 <planetmaker> g'night LordAro 20:59:30 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-156-235-224.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:00:18 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:01:07 <planetmaker> in any case I found the get-together really a good idea and joyful 21:01:09 <SmatZ> http://www.ohloh.net/p/openttd/contributors frosch has more commits than me, congratulations :-) 21:01:16 <SmatZ> yeah :) 21:01:18 <_1009> Gone with the wind too 21:01:19 *** _1009 [~chatzilla@b85159.upc-b.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.2/20110902133214]] 21:03:46 *** loopcoop [~loopcoop@a-84-21.sc.andrews.edu] has joined #openttd 21:04:31 <appe> gone with the wind <3. 21:04:54 <SmatZ> :-) 21:11:15 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-021-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 21:11:38 <planetmaker> hm... ohloh also tells me "25%+ decrease in commits in past 12 months compared to previous 12 months" 21:12:50 <planetmaker> :-( 21:15:32 *** jo2k [~Jonny@dslb-094-223-183-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: jo2k] 21:18:25 <SmatZ> :-( 21:19:52 *** Francis [~flherne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.1/20110830092941]] 21:21:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75272.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75272.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:29:47 <Eddi|zuHause> err... something weird happened just now... 21:30:33 <Eddi|zuHause> my computer froze, i restarted, and now some colours of my KDE theme changed... 21:31:54 <appe> is there any grf with parameter set cargo trains? 21:32:32 <appe> would be nice to try out a gazillion tonnes of coal 21:33:14 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: that may be partially due to the fact that branches now happen in separate repositories 21:33:52 *** loopcoop [~loopcoop@a-84-21.sc.andrews.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:33:56 <appe> or what is the biggest cargo train i can use? 21:39:03 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:39:19 <Yexo> <appe> is there any grf with parameter set cargo trains? <- I don't understand that question 21:39:30 <Yexo> you can make trains of 100 tiles long 21:39:31 <appe> the logic train set, for instance 21:39:38 <Yexo> but the maximum length depends on your setting 21:39:42 <appe> i can set the speed with a parameter 21:40:03 <Yexo> yes, but what do you want to set in this case? 21:40:18 <appe> how much a single cart can carry 21:40:20 <Yexo> all complete train sets that I know support coal by default 21:40:29 <Yexo> ah, I haven't seen such a grf 21:40:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: afair the limit is 64 tiles 21:40:39 <Yexo> oh, right 21:40:43 <appe> is there any with really, really big carts? :) 21:41:04 <Eddi|zuHause> appe: don't know anything beyond 40t per wagon 21:41:04 <Yexo> create your own grf? 21:41:12 <appe> ah, ok. 21:41:16 <appe> Yexo: oh, how does one begin? 21:41:27 <Eddi|zuHause> appe: read the NML tutorial 21:41:34 <Yexo> http://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NMLTutorial 21:41:46 <appe> neat, thank you :) 21:41:54 *** PeanutHorst [~peanutlx@115-64-68-182.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:42:33 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 21:44:50 <Yexo> planetmaker: any clue where the pages with default values / IDs moved? 21:44:55 <Yexo> in the NML wiki I mean 21:45:26 <Yexo> and of course I find them after asking the question 21:45:34 <planetmaker> :-) 21:45:39 <planetmaker> happens all the time 21:45:50 <planetmaker> to me 21:46:41 <Yexo> appe: if you manage to get the tutorial running, I think the only thing you need after the grf-block is this: item(FEAT_TRAINS, my_coal_truck, 29) { property { cargo_capacity: 255; } } 21:47:00 <Yexo> this will create a copy of the default coal wagon and change the capacity to 255 21:48:41 <Yexo> I think you can create a much larger capacity by using callbacks, so perhaps try adding this: graphics { cargo_capacity: return 10000; default: CB_FAILED; } 21:48:44 <planetmaker> sounds pretty stupid idea though 21:48:57 <Yexo> sure, but who cares for some experimentation? 21:49:04 <planetmaker> no-one :-) 21:49:26 <appe> Yexo: ill try it out. 21:49:35 <appe> why would it be stupid? 21:51:33 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 21:52:39 <Parastais> I want to get a translator account, because my own language translation have a lot of mistakes. I am sent an email to translator@openttd.org, but i can't wait for the answer. Translations Manager Miham have status: inactive... Someone has ideas? 21:53:53 <Yexo> it's not Miham who is responding to those emails but Rubidium 21:54:07 <Yexo> when did you send your email? 21:54:49 <Parastais> 3 days ago 21:55:06 <Yexo> and for which language is it? 21:55:22 <Parastais> Latvian 21:55:50 <pjpe> that's the blue black grey flag right 21:56:30 <Yexo> Parastais: I'm afraid I can't help you more, but I've notified the right person so hopefully you'll get a response tomorrow 21:56:54 <Yexo> if you don't have a response by tomorrow evening please check back here again 21:57:15 <Parastais> no, its red-white-red 21:58:02 <pjpe> terrible 21:59:15 <Parastais> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Latvia 22:01:43 <Parastais> Yexo, thanks for the answer :) 22:04:35 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-248-23.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:06:17 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:46 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 22:14:48 *** KenjiE20 [~Kenji@host-92-8-72-134.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:14:54 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@nsc.ciup.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:54 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, somehow my hdd is much louder than before... 22:19:45 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 22:21:57 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.210.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:32:37 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.233.237.150] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:44:20 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A477.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75272.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:46 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.233.237.150] has joined #openttd 22:59:44 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1b6d3.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 23:12:06 *** loopcoop [~loopcoop@a-84-21.sc.andrews.edu] has joined #openttd 23:26:57 <Wolf01> 'night 23:27:00 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.233.237.150] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:57:37 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57:58 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd