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03:13:19  <__ln__> good morning
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06:09:08  <Terkhen> good morning
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06:17:10  <planetmaker> moin
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06:30:35  <andythenorth> morning
06:32:53  <planetmaker> hello andythenorth
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06:39:33  <norbert79> Morning
06:39:58  <planetmaker> hello norbert79
06:40:13  <norbert79> Moin planetmaker
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07:01:38  <andythenorth> planetmaker: how is the FIRS supplies algorithm rework coming along?
07:01:47  <planetmaker> slowly
07:02:11  <andythenorth> based on my current game, I think it's going to be the right way to go
07:02:19  <andythenorth> (current game is with the old mechanic)
07:02:39  <andythenorth> current game is flooded with ENSP and FMSP
07:03:26  <andythenorth> I won't get time to help with it until next week :|
07:03:52  <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/firs/ <-- there's the patch queue. But it doesn't work [TM] yet really
07:04:11  <andythenorth> we'll figure it out
07:04:22  <andythenorth> hopefully next week I have some ttd time
07:04:28  <planetmaker> I might not continue till next week either
07:04:29  <andythenorth> this week is a working-hard week
07:04:40  * andythenorth now has to go to work :)
07:04:51  <andythenorth> bye
07:04:55  <planetmaker> bye
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07:19:01  <dihedral> morning
07:19:11  <norbert79> Morning dihedral
07:20:04  <dihedral> :-)
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08:01:24  <dihedral> Brianetta, \o/
08:01:28  <dihedral> not seen you in a long time
08:02:17  <norbert79> Hmm, new Firefox 7 seems no different from 6 so far... I am curious on the memory usage
08:03:47  <Brianetta> Hi
08:04:14  <Brianetta> Wait, FF6?
08:04:30  <Brianetta> I didn't notice any change, but there it is.
08:04:40  <norbert79> FF7 is out :)
08:04:44  <norbert79> Just upgraded
08:05:02  <norbert79> PPA repository already offered, so I upgraded
08:05:28  <norbert79> Can't see any visual changes
08:05:32  <norbert79> which is good
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08:10:23  <norbert79> btw good morning Brianetta
08:16:22  <norbert79> Oh, the trimmed URLs... browser.urlbar.trimURLs -> false, and everything back to old style :)
08:16:49  <planetmaker> trimmed URLs?
08:16:58  <norbert79> yes, FF7 doesn't show http:// anymore
08:17:05  <planetmaker> oh. right
08:17:52  <planetmaker> well. not needed, is it?
08:18:01  <norbert79> I do need it. I am just used to it
08:18:04  <planetmaker> especially as cmd+c copies it with the http://
08:18:12  <peter1138> chrome started doing that ages ago
08:18:21  <norbert79> besides, I know, that https is still shown, but I am also using ftp:// too, and very rare gopher:// too
08:18:25  <norbert79> not using Chrome
08:18:31  <peter1138> it annoys me
08:18:35  <peter1138> yes i know
08:18:42  <peter1138> i'm just saying where they stole that idea from
08:18:56  <planetmaker> well, it shows ftp:/ - so you'll know
08:18:58  <norbert79> It's not really stealing, but luckily it can be turned off
08:19:51  <peter1138> handy. i don't think you can turn it off in chrome
08:21:27  <planetmaker> but what I really find handy is the different gray shades for the domain and rest of URL.
08:21:32  <planetmaker> But that was already in ff6
08:21:55  <norbert79> peter1138: I used Chrome for a bit, but the whole layout annoyed me, could never get friendly with it
08:22:25  <norbert79> peter1138: And I disliked the mthod how it handled 'Tab's... Using seperated memory segments for each, growing memory usage fast to several hundred MB
08:22:54  <planetmaker> My FF uses 300MB, too...
08:23:03  <planetmaker> Nearly right after start
08:26:11  <norbert79> mine started with 87
08:26:19  <norbert79> how many plugins do you have?
08:27:17  <planetmaker> I guess too many... 9
08:29:06  <planetmaker> and 6 plug-ins
08:31:03  <norbert79> Well, I also have a few, it seems it depends on they type of the plugins/addons you have :)
08:31:32  <planetmaker> I bet it does
08:31:48  <norbert79> Guess "Hack the internet" plugin indeed takes a lot of your RAM planetmaker
08:32:06  <planetmaker> yeah. Maybe firebug
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08:34:53  <planetmaker> well... de-activating firebug, collusion and chatzilla reduced the start-up memory fingerprint by 150MB
08:37:46  <peter1138> inefficient :(
08:38:03  <peter1138> nobody except us optimises for memory these days
08:39:30  <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2008/07/is-money-useless-to-open-source-projects.html <-- i think the biggest mistake he made was saying "no strings attached".
08:42:28  <norbert79> peter1138: Not true, LibreOffice is also pretty good at it
08:42:34  <norbert79> peter1138: So there is competition :)
08:43:00  <planetmaker> FF said they reduced the memory print by 30% between FF6 and FF7
08:43:07  <planetmaker> or something along those lines
08:43:27  <norbert79> planetmaker: Don't see any difference, unless they refer to the fact, that FF7 drops the memory used, when not needed.
08:43:46  <norbert79> well, yet they need to work on it
08:43:49  <norbert79> still
08:44:26  <peter1138> oh yeah, i need to try that
08:44:42  <norbert79> I just love how the acroread plugin gets stuck within Firefox when not used anymore
08:44:54  <norbert79> It also did the same under Windows and Linux too
08:45:51  <peter1138> oh, it's not in squeeze proper :S
08:47:05  <norbert79> peter1138: I also use the Mozilla Team PPA for Ubuntu for grabbing FF7
08:48:06  <peter1138> i don't sully my system with ubuntu crap
08:48:52  <appe> morning.
08:49:36  <norbert79> peter1138: Well, I wouldn't call Ubuntu crap for my system. Moved from office XP to Ubuntu, system seems to be twice as fast, yet it's an older T60
08:50:19  <norbert79> peter1138: Memory usage is also within the acceptable range, boots up fast, suspend/sleep works, hibaernation too...
08:50:52  <norbert79> peter1138: The only problems caused by the systems was with pulseaudio, but some minor tuning solved that too
08:51:38  <norbert79> peter1138: It wasn't pleasent with Gutsy, but that was still ok.
08:51:48  <norbert79> peter1138: Now using Lucid.
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12:33:49  <Elukka> hm. NARS gets kinda boring once the diesel era starts, everything's so samey
12:34:01  <Elukka> not NARS' fault, more that of the real thing :P
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13:39:25  <Belugas> hello
13:42:01  <Elukka> what's the chances of a slower town growth option being implemented?
13:42:04  <Elukka> even low is quite fats
13:42:05  <Elukka> fast
13:43:25  <planetmaker> switch it off
13:44:10  <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Frosch/Town_Control
13:46:06  <Terkhen> Elukka: right now slim :P
13:46:39  <Elukka> i'd rather not turn it completely off, though that could maybe work as a stopgap
13:46:58  <Terkhen> you can also disable "towns build roads"
13:47:35  <__ln__> Elukka: what are the intended characters surrounding the word 'off' in your sentence?
13:47:46  <Elukka> it's supposed to be italics
13:47:50  <Elukka> i guess it might not work outside mirc
13:48:06  <norbert79> Xchat supports only underline and bold
13:48:07  <planetmaker> indeed. "town build roads" is probably a good option
13:48:09  <Elukka> in my experience if an irc client doesn't support bold or italics it just doesn't show
13:48:16  <norbert79> Elukka mirc test
13:48:25  <Elukka> that works
13:48:29  <norbert79> nice
13:48:37  <norbert79> No italic for XCHat though
13:48:50  <planetmaker> nor for limechat ;-)
13:49:00  <norbert79> UnderlineNo underline
13:49:09  * planetmaker sees maybe italics only this way
13:49:09  <peter1138> not many terminals support italics
13:49:11  <planetmaker> no ;-)
13:49:35  <norbert79> ¿ʇɥbıɹ 'sʞɹoʍ 8-ɟʇn ʇnq
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13:50:01  <planetmaker> it does
13:50:06  <norbert79> Nice
13:54:50  <peter1138> echo -e '\e[3mitalics\e[m'
13:54:51  <peter1138> hurr
13:55:13  <peter1138> works in rxvt-unicode
13:55:26  <peter1138> don't think irssi can do it though
13:56:40  <norbert79> "67o7ne 7t7wo 7t7hree"
13:56:44  <norbert79> hmm, doesn't work
13:57:39  <norbert79> eh, never mind
14:03:24  <norbert79> Elukka: How does this appear at you? Test
14:04:59  <Elukka> "Test" is white text with black around it
14:05:30  <norbert79> Elukka: Good... Thanks!
14:06:40  <peter1138> test in black text with white around it
14:07:08  <norbert79> peter1138: so it works for you like for me... Either way it's the reverse code
14:07:17  <norbert79> Unicode 0x16
14:08:49  <peter1138> once upon a time i knew how to switch from 16 foreground/8 background + flashing to 16 foreground/16 background colours
14:08:58  <peter1138> in text mode on a pc
14:09:05  <peter1138> now it's totally irrelevant :p
14:09:39  <Terkhen> :P
14:10:27  <norbert79> peter1138: like this?
14:10:33  <peter1138> there used to be a border colour too
14:10:39  <peter1138> like what?
14:10:42  <norbert79> hah
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14:10:52  <norbert79> Not being shown in colour for you then
14:11:18  <peter1138> well, no not like that then
14:11:43  <norbert79> What client do you use peter1138 ?
14:12:00  <peter1138> irssi
14:12:13  <norbert79> Oh, I see
14:12:58  <peter1138> what do you see?
14:13:25  <norbert79> I see = I understand
14:14:33  <PeanutHorst> ah, I love idioms :)
14:16:15  <norbert79> ☺
14:16:46  <Elukka> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/Railway/IMG_3378.jpg
14:16:52  <Elukka> made a coal load, somewhat different to drawing the same in a sprite :P
14:17:03  <norbert79> Niiiice
14:18:24  <norbert79> ʘ᎗ʘ
14:20:03  <Elukka> crumpled paper, cardboard, sand, paint
14:20:08  <Elukka> wanted to keep it removable
14:20:46  <norbert79> If it would been me i would have used real coal... Just because I am too lame creating fake coal
14:21:12  <Elukka> i didn't have any handy
14:21:20  <Elukka> this seems easier anyway
14:22:08  <norbert79> well done
14:22:21  <planetmaker> looks good
14:22:40  <Elukka> ...now to make 12 more
14:22:48  <norbert79> I would have mixed real sand with some black paint... I wonder if that could have worked
14:23:25  <Elukka> i wanted to do that for track ballast but couldn't make the paint adhere to the sand
14:23:43  <norbert79> ahha... not even regular black?
14:23:49  <Elukka> not sure, i tried brown
14:24:09  <Elukka> oh yeah, i mixed some heavily diluted white glue to it so that the sand/coal is one solid block
14:24:16  <norbert79> paint still might make it sticky though
14:24:30  <Elukka> i wanted some method of coloring loose sand
14:24:32  <Elukka> for ballast
14:24:42  <Elukka> i could then sprinkle on different colors
14:24:46  <norbert79> it's somehow to be made, I have seen coloured sand...
14:24:48  <Elukka> but i didn't figure out a way to do it
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14:32:54  <norbert79> Elukka: http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/sand.php - Might be also a good idea
14:33:18  <norbert79> Elukka: http://www.dickblick.com/products/colored-sand/#photos
14:33:45  <Elukka> the problem with raw sand even if it could be the right color is that sand has a fair amount of translucent particles
14:33:56  <Elukka> that's ultimately what makes it look like it's just out-of-scale sand
14:34:24  <norbert79> Hmm, I would still try to take a look on these coloured sand packages
14:34:34  <Elukka> hmm
14:34:35  <norbert79> Or just use a bowl and colour on my own :)
14:34:54  <Elukka> would have to know the grain size
14:35:06  <norbert79> you can still put some gravel inside
14:35:08  <Elukka> from what i figured it needs to be 0.5 mm at the largest
14:35:10  <norbert79> smaller ones
14:35:23  <Elukka> i dunno how you'd get paint to adhere to it in a bowl
14:35:39  <Elukka> interesting
14:35:46  <Elukka> some kids' craft guide suggests food coloring
14:37:04  <norbert79> Might be a good idea
14:37:29  <Elukka> oh found a more detailed guide
14:37:30  <Elukka> http://www.wikihow.com/Color-Sand
14:38:14  <Elukka> tempera might be better, probably easier to find/mix a variety of greys and browns
14:38:50  <norbert79> Tempera isn't that good, it goes off with time
14:38:55  <Elukka> hmm-
14:39:02  <norbert79> and since it goes off in small portions it can fly everywhere
14:39:16  <norbert79> used to paint a model once when I started building those as a kid
14:39:21  <norbert79> and with time it wore off
14:39:29  <norbert79> was a messy thing cleaning off
14:39:48  <norbert79> so I use regular modell/maquett paint
14:39:51  <norbert79> used
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14:40:18  <Elukka> one thing i've considered tempera for is weathering
14:40:22  <Elukka> precisely because it can be washed off
14:40:46  <Elukka> i mean i can hold a paint brush but i'm not confident enough in my skills to permanently paint a 200 euro model
14:41:47  <norbert79> Well, I was merely thinking on using regular paint, put it into a small glass/canister/whatever, and fill it with sand and stir it for long enough
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14:41:58  <norbert79> so it gets coloured well
14:42:16  <norbert79> and doesn't get sticky
14:43:08  <Elukka> might have to try that
14:43:18  <norbert79> worth trying with smaller ammount
14:43:24  <norbert79> in case it fails
14:43:29  <Elukka> yeah
14:46:49  <norbert79> Need to rush.. later
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16:19:13  <Sparkius> Hello?
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17:17:56  <Terkhen> hi
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17:32:30  <IchGuckLive> Good evening all i got a problem -> http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/280911193204_Bildschirmfoto-33.png
17:32:50  <IchGuckLive> Eichendorf wont let me build another trackstation
17:33:08  <IchGuckLive> what shoudt i do
17:33:12  <Elu> due to the local authority?
17:33:31  *** Elu is now known as Elukka
17:33:39  <IchGuckLive> as you see in the lower left
17:33:44  <IchGuckLive> the mood is perfect
17:34:00  <Elukka> well, i don't understand german :D
17:34:07  <IchGuckLive> NP
17:34:10  <Elukka> do you get any message when trying to build it?
17:34:39  <IchGuckLive> i dod it wirh STRG and ther is no station in the  frame
17:34:47  <IchGuckLive> seen left of the Map
17:35:11  <IchGuckLive> i did it with STRG and there is no station in the  frame
17:36:13  <IchGuckLive> maybe i sgoudt deliver the stuff by Truck to a station on the watertower
17:36:54  <IchGuckLive> the message is the station is to big
17:37:25  <Elukka> ooh
17:37:32  <Elukka> you need to increase max station size in advanced settings
17:37:48  <IchGuckLive> only one station
17:38:08  <IchGuckLive> all other citys take 4 trackstation
17:38:10  <Elukka> since it's connected to the bus stop essentially all those tiles in between count
17:38:37  <IchGuckLive> oh i try to build inside
17:39:13  <IchGuckLive> i diddent now that B) inside is working
17:39:32  <Elukka> you can still increase max station spread if you want to expand it
17:39:45  <__ln__> 20:34 < Elukka> well, i don't understand german :D   <-- what, why not?
17:40:24  <Elukka> why would i?
17:40:25  <IchGuckLive> Elukka: is this a cheed or normal stuff
17:40:28  <Elukka> wish i did, though
17:40:34  <Elukka> normal stuff
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17:40:42  <Elukka> click the gaer icon, go to advanced settings, it's... somewhere in there
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17:41:21  <IchGuckLive> thannks  for that info
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17:41:42  <Elukka> *gear icon
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17:43:14  <Wolf01> evenink
17:45:42  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r22965 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:45:42  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:42  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belarusian - 16 changes by Wowanxm
17:45:42  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: korean - 17 changes by telk5093
17:45:42  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: latvian - 19 changes by Parastais
17:45:44  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 35 changes by vytulis7
17:45:44  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: thai - 57 changes by zetathix
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18:04:20  <Elukka> http://www.humblebundle.com/
18:04:28  <Elukka> mmm frozen synapse for really cheap (whatever you want to pay)
18:04:30  <Elukka> it's a great game
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18:37:19  <__ln__> http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2011/09/ticket_chaos_continues_for_rail_travellers_2902735.html
18:37:49  <Wolf01> that's a common reality here
18:38:27  <Wolf01> we usually have one working ticket vending machine every 5 stations
18:38:47  <__ln__> Wolf01: really? the trenitalia vending machines worked fine the last time i used them.
18:38:53  <Elukka> this is why you beta test
18:39:06  <__ln__> but no wonder they worked fine, as the machines were running OS/2.
18:39:07  <Wolf01> maybe you was on big stations
18:39:16  <Wolf01> *were
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19:26:44  <andythenorth> efening
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19:34:55  <andythenorth> @seen pikka
19:34:55  <DorpsGek> andythenorth: pikka was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 5 days, 14 hours, 17 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <Pikka> all of owen's servers are so slow for me today, but I don't see why it's not possible
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22:05:01  <Wolf01> 'night
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22:35:04  <planetmaker> @ports
22:35:04  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound)
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22:56:12  <Eddi|zuHause> so we now issue warnings to people that they will get a warning?
22:56:57  <Pinkbeast> I detect some context missing here
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23:17:58  <Yexo> eddi: sometimes, yes ;)
23:18:43  <Yexo> 3 warnings = temp ban, 4th warning = ban. His post was (imo) not a direct reason to issue a warning, but he's going a bit too far
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