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00:00:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think it's very fair to compare parties with their equivalent 90 years ago 00:00:47 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> but afaik a small part of schleswig was returned to denmark in that election <--- Actually Germany stole land north of Schleswig and that land was returned because it people voted for Denmark 00:00:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:01:15 <Bjarni> it was (and is) so full of Danes that they didn't want to campaign for Germany there. It would be Danish nomatter what 00:02:06 <Bjarni> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Abstimmung-schleswig-1920.png <--- this is the area in question 00:02:35 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-138-210.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 00:02:49 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think it's very fair to compare parties with their equivalent 90 years ago <--- not true. The party in question still wants to remove the king 00:03:14 <Bjarni> or in absence of a king, the queen 00:03:27 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-158-091.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 00:06:17 <Bjarni> Europe in the years between WW1 and WW2 (1915-1939) <--- the internet is not the most trustworthy source of historical facts 00:06:44 <Bjarni> WW1 ended on the 11/11 at 11 O'clock in 1918 00:18:48 <Eddi|zuHause> "What is white, long, lives in Himalaya and speaks italian?" 00:18:57 <Bjarni> hmm 00:18:59 <Eddi|zuHause> "A Spagyeti" 00:19:06 <Bjarni> heh 00:23:10 <z-MaTRiX> :) 00:28:46 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:58a5:e1c9:4d42:5994] has quit [Quit: bye] 00:45:07 <Eddi|zuHause> "what does an unemployed physicist say to one who has a job?" 00:45:27 <Eddi|zuHause> "cola and big mac please" 00:50:58 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1a688.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 00:53:07 <Elukka> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Gleise_y_normal_stahlschwellen.jpg 00:53:09 <Elukka> what weird track 00:57:40 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:26:38 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x573c4281.espnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:44:53 *** mikethete [~mikethete@70-100-79-107.br1.sma.wv.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:49:48 <z-MaTRiX> clear;e=eval\ ;p=printf\ ;x="$e$p$";u=USER;n=NAME;r=$(stty -g);stty raw -echo;read -sn1 -p \[$($x$u)@$(${x}HOST$n):~\]$\ ;while read -n1 a;do $p \$($p '%03o' $(($($p'%d' "'"$($p'%c' "$a")"")-1)));sleep .$(($RANDOM*2));done< <($p\%q 'Uif!Nbusjy!ibt!zpv!'"$($p'%s' "$(grep $($x$u$n) /etc/passwd |awk -F: '{print }')" | while read -n1 y;do $p'%c' "$($p\$($p'%03o' $(($($p'%d' "'$($p'%c' "$y")")+1))))";done;)"'///');stty "$r";$p\n 01:49:50 <z-MaTRiX> :) 01:50:37 <z-MaTRiX> (its a bash script) 01:54:54 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.84.107] has joined #openttd 01:57:36 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.84.107] has quit [] 01:59:37 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.84.107] has joined #openttd 03:01:31 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.84.107] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:29:49 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 03:30:17 <supermop_> hi 03:30:55 *** supermop_ is now known as supermop 04:13:30 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B732AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B730DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:20:42 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 05:21:09 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 05:21:23 *** Azdin [~chatzilla@fw2.yeg.alentus.net] has joined #openttd 05:21:30 <Azdin> Hi 05:22:06 <Elukka> morning 05:22:17 <Azdin> I used to recall there being a way to list servers in OpenTTD 05:22:21 <Azdin> But I can't now. 05:24:34 <Elukka> click multiplayer on the main menu, on top of that there's a dropdown menu, pick internet (not lan) 05:24:52 <Elukka> then press find server 05:24:52 <Azdin> Did that 05:24:57 <Azdin> Did that also 05:24:59 <Azdin> nothing 05:25:04 <Elukka> weird 05:25:07 <Elukka> which version do you have? 05:25:13 <Azdin> 1.1.1 05:25:34 <Elukka> hmm. not hugely ancient 05:25:37 <Elukka> sorry, haven't a clue 05:29:05 <Azdin> still nothin 05:29:16 <Azdin> -.- 05:29:24 <Azdin> Is there a new-ish openttd game I can connect to? 05:45:12 <Elukka> there's a huge amount of servers up 05:45:23 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@027af076.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:45:26 <Elukka> you should still see them even if you have the wrong version 05:46:52 <Elukka> Eddi|zuHause: you there? 05:49:06 <Elukka> i was going to draw the door open version of the goods car but it occurred to me i have no idea what the floor material is so i don't know what color to make it 05:50:01 <Elukka> i also assume only / and \ versions are needed 05:54:51 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@index.linuxsecured.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:55:12 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.255.47.217] has joined #openttd 06:06:27 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:12:16 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.255.47.217] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 06:13:47 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 06:14:16 <Azdin> Nah, the list isn't showing up at all 06:23:28 <peter1138> it's working for me 06:29:57 *** Azdin [~chatzilla@fw2.yeg.alentus.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.2/20110902133214]] 06:30:08 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:30:14 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@nsc.ciup.fr] has joined #openttd 06:35:03 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 06:40:42 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 06:41:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6DE4B.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:42:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DE4B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:48:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:48:07 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 06:48:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:51:03 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:57:21 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-158-091.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 06:59:29 *** Kogut] [d586afe1@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:59:36 *** Kogut] [d586afe1@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [] 06:59:47 *** Kogut [d586afe1@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:05:26 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 07:05:33 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:06:56 *** DayDreamer1 [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 07:08:41 <Terkhen> good morning 07:10:40 <Elukka> morning 07:11:07 <Elukka> a 3 lu wagon sure looks weird on the diagonals.. 07:12:12 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:12:56 <Elukka> the end is longer than the side 07:13:24 *** k-man_ [~jason@ppp167-253-181.static.internode.on.net] has left #openttd [] 07:14:55 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 07:15:52 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:21:54 <Kogut> good morning 07:27:41 <appe> morning 07:30:18 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@nsc.ciup.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:37:14 <planetmaker> moin 07:37:25 <V453000> hi guys 07:37:54 <Kogut> @Terkhen Is it trunkable to increase maximum size of AI log? There are AI crashes with incomplete reports as window was too small 07:38:05 <Kogut> patch is trivial ( http://pastebin.com/R31eirsR ) 07:38:15 <Terkhen> Kogut: I don't know 07:38:33 <Terkhen> I have never worked with AI at all, besides making some changes with a lot of help :P 07:38:58 <Kogut> Main problem is that AI log is limited to 80 lines 07:39:09 <Terkhen> the patch does not look wrong to me, but you should ask someone else or upload to flyspray 07:39:19 <Kogut> OK 07:40:20 <Kogut> @Yexo Is it trunkable to increase maximum size of AI log? There are AI crashes with incomplete reports as window was too small - patch is trivial ( http://pastebin.com/R31eirsR ) 07:48:50 <Kogut> We live in feature - my first thought: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/314746_258287434214551_124983354211627_759913_1490734188_n.jpg 07:49:01 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r23009 /trunk/src/ (fontcache.cpp fontcache.h gfx.cpp): -Change: Improve appearance of antialiased text with shadow. 07:49:48 <Kogut> And then I searched "We live in the feature" - and I found http://weliveinthefuture.tumblr.com/ 07:50:57 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:50:58 <planetmaker> Kogut: I think the issue tracker is a good place and easier to find than IRC log :-) 07:51:21 <Kogut> well, I thought he is online 07:51:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A005.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:51:33 <planetmaker> maybe not :-) 07:51:57 <planetmaker> the nick is online 24/7. He personally certainly not ;-) 07:53:38 <V453000> how do you know he isnt :P 07:54:05 <planetmaker> V453000: I could look whether he's attached to our bouncer ;-) 07:54:18 <V453000> oh :) 07:56:28 <Kogut> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4798 07:56:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: planetmaker * r23010 /trunk/src/table/station_land.h: -Add [FS#4797]: Support company colour for the airports' jetways (zeroeight) 07:57:35 <planetmaker> ty, Kogut 07:58:09 <Kogut> ? 07:58:22 <planetmaker> for adding it to the bug tracker. :-) 07:59:58 <norbert79> haven't been on tt-forums, are spammers still an issue? :) 08:00:08 <Kogut> yes 08:00:16 <norbert79> ...and I got that already answered... Found one already 08:00:25 <norbert79> Kogut: Yeah, just seen it... 08:03:25 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.255.47.217] has joined #openttd 08:05:50 <dihedral> good morning 08:06:51 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:06:51 *** DayDreamer1 [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08:12 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 08:09:22 <Kogut> Why things like http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4793 are not closed as "Wont fix/Not a bug " 08:09:25 <Kogut> ? 08:11:37 *** hanf [~Klaus@host-89-242-70-118.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 08:11:37 <norbert79> Kogut: Good question... Besides, user might go through settings first, instead of complaining... 08:12:23 <Elukka> http://www.alstom.com/assets/0/4294967308/170/2147485722/2147485723/2147485850/79b5d0f1-652c-48fb-bcb4-01545117e7a6.jpg 08:12:27 <Elukka> a pretty new locomotive, for a change 08:12:40 <norbert79> Elukka: You own one of these? :))) 08:12:50 <Elukka> hah, no 08:12:54 <Elukka> just ran into it 08:15:56 <Elukka> i think most modern locomotives look like nondescript boxes 08:16:53 <norbert79> lol 08:17:08 <norbert79> Well, there is the Flirt, there is the ICE... 08:17:17 <norbert79> won't call them as 'boxes' 08:17:39 <Elukka> technically, they're multiple units and thus don't have a locomotive :P 08:17:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: planetmaker * r23011 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#4791]: When the last used server is deleted from the list also clear the last used server if it is the same (monoid) 08:18:18 <norbert79> Elukka: http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadler_FLIRT 08:18:26 <norbert79> Elukka: You see these also often in Hungary too 08:18:48 *** Kogut [d586afe1@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:18:48 <Elukka> yeah we've got a bunch 08:18:58 *** Kogut [d586afe1@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:20:06 <norbert79> Bo-2-2-2-Bo means 2 wheels besides each other or 1-1 each side? 08:20:14 <norbert79> I mean for "2" 08:23:10 <Elukka> dunno 08:23:53 <norbert79> Elukka: I thought you are familiar with this, since you are such a huge train fan... :) 08:24:15 <Elukka> well, i'm not hugely knowledgeable 08:25:09 <peter1138> O-O o-o o-o o-o O-O 08:25:35 <norbert79> so 1-1... Got it 08:25:38 <norbert79> cheers 08:25:46 <norbert79> I thought 2 would mean oo-oo 08:25:54 <norbert79> or oo=oo 08:26:33 <b_jonas> all those chemistry symbols 08:26:40 <Markk> hm, wheels between the bogies? 08:26:55 <norbert79> H-O-H 08:26:56 <norbert79> :) 08:27:12 <norbert79> and I-O-I would be a Tie Fighter 08:27:16 <peter1138> o_O 08:27:54 <peter1138> norbert79, no point in listing wheels on either side of the vehicle 08:28:00 <peter1138> it's unlikely to be different 08:28:14 <norbert79> peter1138: Understand, thank you 08:28:21 <peter1138> of course, there's the Whyte system which does ;p 08:28:34 <norbert79> peter1138: Don't make me confused... :) 08:28:41 <peter1138> 4-6-2 being ooOOOo 08:29:02 <norbert79> ahha 08:29:27 <norbert79> Well, in my childhood locomotives were just 1-1 08:29:29 <norbert79> oO 08:29:30 <norbert79> :) 08:29:39 <peter1138> :) 08:29:56 <b_jonas> 4-6-2 sounds like either the _name_ of a locomotive, or a football tactics 08:30:16 <norbert79> b_jonas: Won't be football (soccer), since that would mean 12 players :) 08:30:33 <b_jonas> sure, it just sounds like 08:30:40 *** perk111 [~perk11@188.32.29.238] has joined #openttd 08:30:40 <b_jonas> maybe some related game 08:30:41 <norbert79> aye 08:30:52 <peter1138> difficult to have an odd number of wheels... 08:30:54 <planetmaker> b_jonas: if you play football with 4-6-2 tactic you're not playing football ;-) 08:31:14 <norbert79> Even for Baseball that would be too much 08:31:15 <peter1138> 2-1 <- 2cv with a wheel off 08:31:17 <b_jonas> I know, it has to sum to 10 in football 08:31:27 <planetmaker> or you bribed the referee 08:31:29 <norbert79> +1 goalkeeper 08:32:04 <norbert79> planetmaker: Well, 22 would been in 1990 possible, when DDR and BDR got merged... :)) 08:32:18 <norbert79> BRD 08:32:18 <planetmaker> lool 08:32:52 <Elukka> whyte notation is the only wheel arrangement thing i can make sense of 08:33:10 <Elukka> (ie 2-6-2) 08:33:25 <norbert79> it's shorter, but not always very informative 08:33:38 <norbert79> I prefer something like the Bo-2-2-2-Bo like 08:33:50 <norbert79> Type included, while numbers represent regular wheels 08:34:47 <peter1138> whyte is okay for steam 08:35:45 <peter1138> the driving wheels are implied, which is no use for the wheel arrangement on diesels & electrics 08:35:51 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:36:04 <SpComb> 3-5.5-1 08:36:28 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.255.47.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:37:09 <b_jonas> you sound like the adults in the Little Prince with all these numbers: âI've seen a 2-6-0.â âHow beautiful!â 08:37:09 <peter1138> Elukka, it's a simple substitution... A=1, B=2, etc ;) 08:37:41 <norbert79> b_jonas: Lol 08:38:07 <norbert79> b_jonas: True :) 08:38:57 <peter1138> i hate you 08:39:06 <peter1138> i'm looking at locomotive wheel arrangements 08:39:10 <peter1138> instead of working :p 08:39:37 <norbert79> peter1138: It's a Friday... 08:39:42 <peter1138> yes 08:39:47 <norbert79> peter1138: At least you have an excuse then 08:40:45 *** lugo [bc6f57fe@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:08:30 <appe> jazz tip of the day: abbey lincoln 09:08:50 <Eddi|zuHause> [07.10.2011 07:50] <Elukka> i also assume only / and \ versions are needed <-- no, the train may be longer than the platform, so all views might be needed 09:10:47 <Elukka> oh, that's true 09:11:44 <Elukka> any idea if it should have a brown or grey floor? 09:15:13 <Eddi|zuHause> rather make it grey 09:15:37 <Eddi|zuHause> should make for better contrast 09:15:42 <Elukka> well it'll be more visible that way 09:15:43 <Elukka> yeah 09:15:50 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@a91-156-241-104.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:16:59 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: Such would be nice on the screenshot page of OpenTTD: http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/cinemagraph/ - But of course based on OpenTTD... :) 09:18:47 <norbert79> (The difference of plain animated GIF's based on recording and these are, that only just a small portion of the actual animation moves, making it partly still-life, and moving) 09:20:48 <Eddi|zuHause> why tell me? 09:21:06 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: Wanted to share this with someone... And you were active :) 09:21:25 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: and you are at home all the time :P 09:26:13 <peter1138> so temporal photoshops... 09:27:36 *** DDR [~DDR@142.179.78.88] has quit [Quit: In democracy it's your vote that counts; In feudalism it's your count that votes. - Mogens Jallberg] 09:28:50 <norbert79> peter1138: Well, basically animated GIF's, but just different 09:29:59 <Kogut> Well, screenshots on openttd mainpage are not very interesting 09:30:24 <Kogut> what about openttdcoop/newgrf stuff 09:30:37 <norbert79> Kogut: There is a screenshot page at main site, I was merely thinking about placing one such there 09:30:54 <norbert79> Kogut: Oh, sorry, you are on a different topic 09:32:23 <planetmaker> what about that, Kogut? 09:32:42 <norbert79> Kogut: Well, for examplke this one has some screenshots included: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=56701 09:33:23 <norbert79> looks nice imo, I like this new concept 09:34:45 <Kogut> now on http://www.openttd.org/en/ "Latest User Screenshot of 1.1.3" is rather uninteresting http://media.openttd.org/images/layout/screenshot.png 09:36:00 <peter1138> yeah 09:36:52 <planetmaker> quite so, yes 09:38:19 <Eddi|zuHause> for years i have asked to change that image 09:38:36 <Eddi|zuHause> and the text is stupid 09:38:44 <Eddi|zuHause> and a blatant lie 09:38:56 <planetmaker> :-) 09:39:00 <Eddi|zuHause> because the screenshot is actually from before 0.5 09:39:14 <planetmaker> yeah 09:39:23 <planetmaker> so, any suggestions for a replacement? 09:39:33 <norbert79> planetmaker: Why not making a contest? 09:39:37 <norbert79> planetmaker: in the forums... 09:39:45 *** hanf [~Klaus@host-89-242-70-118.as13285.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39:47 <norbert79> planetmaker: 1.1.3 has no screenshots at all 09:40:03 <Kogut> or reuse somrthing from title competition 09:40:12 <Kogut> everything will be better 09:40:22 <planetmaker> we only go by the x in the 1.x.y versioning scheme 09:40:22 <Kogut> including AI constructed railways 09:40:23 <norbert79> Only requirement would be using either OpenGFX or Original graphics and no NewGRFs 09:40:23 <planetmaker> But yes 09:40:37 <norbert79> or that 09:41:16 <Eddi|zuHause> what speaks against making that text just read "user screenshots"? 09:41:31 <norbert79> Hmm 09:41:40 <norbert79> Why not telling: Screenshots? 09:41:48 <norbert79> Basically if you reuse title competition shots 09:41:53 <norbert79> that's still fro the game 09:42:11 <norbert79> And this: http://media.openttd.org/images/layout/screenshot.png could be a shot from the Title, but without the Logo and the menu... 09:42:24 <Eddi|zuHause> why restrict to title competition? 09:42:36 <norbert79> Didn't, but it's the easiest 09:42:39 <Eddi|zuHause> that makes no sense 09:42:49 <norbert79> You already got the screenshots from them 09:43:18 <planetmaker> why easy? One could argue to take a vanilla OpenTTD there, but I'm not entirely sure it should be a requirement. It's at least not for the screenshots behind that 'main' image 09:43:57 <norbert79> planetmaker: Wasn't trying to be strict or limiting, jsut saying, that the time spent on them would be much shorter if you would use existing resources 09:44:09 <norbert79> that's all 09:44:51 <norbert79> And I also uploaded some shots on my Deviantart page too 09:45:07 <norbert79> I would be happy sending those to the collection, well, not every each of it 09:45:12 <norbert79> but 2 or 3 09:45:22 <planetmaker> well. There's zillion screenshots in zillions*100 places 09:45:31 <norbert79> plantain: Sure, that's true 09:45:31 <planetmaker> It's about having a good selection 09:45:56 <planetmaker> What's there now is mostly screenshots which people send to us via e-mail from time to time 09:46:15 <planetmaker> And last time it was updated was last December when I went through that years worth of screenshot e-mails 09:46:21 <norbert79> planetmaker: Well, you can still do similar, like with the Title competition 09:46:46 <norbert79> and leave the voting on the registered users of tt-forums 09:46:47 <planetmaker> yes. Or you do that competition Like 10 best from the 1.1.x series :-) 09:47:06 <planetmaker> I'll be happy to put them there then 09:47:29 <norbert79> There is still the option leaving the voting up to the community 09:47:31 <norbert79> :) 09:47:33 <planetmaker> the number is negotiable 09:47:46 <planetmaker> yes, then go, organize that competition and that vote :-) 09:48:12 <norbert79> well, will do that, after I have taken care of my 2 children and my wife this evening, will do that in 5 minutes ;-) 09:48:26 <norbert79> You are the master of the Forums, not me :) 09:48:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm still not sure what you need a vote for 09:48:52 <planetmaker> yeah :-) 09:49:06 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: People send in pictures, then we get a list, and people can vote on their favorites, at the end you will have the first 10 which will be then put into the screenshot folder 09:49:08 <planetmaker> it should also show different facettes of the game 09:49:37 <norbert79> You can still overrule the end-result... 09:49:39 <planetmaker> a vote might just get a list of the nicest 10 shots of stations in a more or less similar style 09:49:56 <planetmaker> an interesting entry might also be to show parts of the GUI (as the nightly screenshot I prepared back then) 09:50:15 <norbert79> Well, you cannot find this out, until you try... 09:50:20 <planetmaker> it's about showing the game and its bredth of options. Not (only) about the 09:50:23 <Kogut> maybe categories: "realistic", junctions, large stations, ais 09:50:29 <norbert79> Might be, that you won't be the only one wanting to show it 09:50:32 <planetmaker> "best building" (or realistic) 09:51:56 <Kogut> interface, realistic, effective, newgrf overdose, ships, landscape 09:52:07 <norbert79> well, there are only 2 choices: either the admins cherry pick all they want, or they leave this on the community, and let them upload and decide which is good and which isn't... 09:52:12 <planetmaker> such categories might be a good thing indeed 09:52:17 <norbert79> Kogut: Agree 09:53:10 <Kogut> interface, realistic, effective, newgrf overdose, ships, landscape +ais? (I am biased, it may be uniteresting) 09:53:33 <norbert79> realistic = "realistic view" or "realism" 09:53:45 <planetmaker> how would AIs look different from just more companies (unless the UI for them is shown)? 09:53:59 <norbert79> planetmaker: What vehicles/trains they use, building style 09:54:21 <norbert79> Yet because of the variety I doubt it would be interesting 09:54:31 <norbert79> and some can just "cheat" on it 09:54:50 <norbert79> Modifying a layout made by the AI, making it look better, than in reality 09:54:58 <norbert79> just for the screenshot 09:55:54 <Kogut> no cheating 09:56:04 <planetmaker> why not? 09:56:10 <norbert79> then we should drop the category of AI... 09:56:18 <norbert79> and keep the rest 09:56:30 <Kogut> I may be interesting to show that AI is able to build sth 09:56:44 <norbert79> Kogut: Told you, that can be cheated on... 09:56:52 <planetmaker> hm... so "interface", "landscape", "construction", "traffic" ? 09:57:06 <norbert79> You might would like to add NewGRF 09:57:08 <Kogut> for example - ChooChoo is able to build interesting things 09:57:08 <norbert79> as seperate 09:59:01 <norbert79> Kogut: Sure, but lets imagine I would like to include a shot of mine, I use ChooChoo, but correct some minor mistakes made by the AI, to make it look better. Then it will be seen by one trying the game for first time, choosing the same AI, and then it shows something different then 09:59:33 <norbert79> On the other hand, a not so advanced AI is being shown on a shot, but since Screenshots age too, it might send a false message 09:59:43 <norbert79> since AI's are also under development all the time 10:00:44 <planetmaker> norbert79: alternatively you can just select a committee to be the judge on the screenshots. ;-) 10:01:15 <norbert79> planetmaker: Sure, but let's just avoid making an AI look bad... :) 10:01:38 <planetmaker> or like: ask for submissions of screenshots. then sort them into categories. And put these categories to vote 10:02:01 <planetmaker> like 1 of this category. top 3 of this. top 2 of this etc 10:02:05 <norbert79> planetmaker: That's also a solution, but I would go for an 'automated' method, where users upload the shots themselves 10:02:10 <planetmaker> might work best to get a broad distribution of things 10:02:28 <planetmaker> yes, thus first gather submissions 10:02:56 <Kogut> I am trying to produce nice ChooChoo screen, without cheating 10:03:08 <planetmaker> I think categorizing them not by the user but by someone with the right categories in mind to get a broad distribution of what's possible might be best :-) 10:03:43 <norbert79> planetmaker: Well, that portion is hard to do, easier would be telling: if a picture uploaded does not represent it's category it will be automatically dropped... 10:04:03 <planetmaker> norbert79: that's psychologically worse, though :-) 10:04:21 <norbert79> planetmaker: Sure, but also enforce users choosing the right category :) 10:04:45 <norbert79> and in case of doubt, just use the closest one of the categories 10:04:48 <norbert79> :) 10:04:55 <planetmaker> norbert79: but you could still add a category when screenshots lend itself to a new or split one :-) 10:04:57 <Kogut> fla area, multiple towns and industries 10:04:59 <Eddi|zuHause> chattanooga choochoo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XQybKMXL-k 10:05:13 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: And I just got Glenn Miller's collection with me :D 10:05:39 <Eddi|zuHause> (very well known melody in germany :)) 10:05:50 *** KenjiE20 [~Kenji@host-92-8-68-209.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 10:07:26 <norbert79> planetmaker: Now I am more thinking about the technical side... Guess plain upload screen with selectable categories would be enough, and each categpry would have it's own folder, but would drop anything, than JPG, GIF or PNG or PCX 10:07:26 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:07:36 <norbert79> Be right back... 10:08:50 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 10:10:38 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10:45 <Kogut> http://imagebin.org/177807 10:10:53 <Kogut> http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=177807 10:11:53 <Eddi|zuHause> err... outright reject anything but png! 10:11:53 <Kogut> wr 10:16:28 <planetmaker> norbert79: or a simple forum thread for starters 10:16:37 <planetmaker> and make it png only 10:17:23 <Kogut> http://www.img.ie/images/5416b.png 10:19:52 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 11:06:55 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has left #openttd [Leaving for now. 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12:09:04 *** hari [~hari@202.151.198.245] has quit [] 12:09:19 <planetmaker> now. *that's* interesting ;-) 12:09:27 <Terkhen> yeah, it changed my life 12:09:35 <planetmaker> and I should consider to switch my baker 12:09:56 <planetmaker> it just happened the 2nd time I got back too little change 12:10:01 <Terkhen> heh 12:10:08 <planetmaker> luckily I noticed in time 12:10:44 *** hari [~hari@202.151.198.245] has joined #openttd 12:10:46 <Terkhen> math is complicated when you use it to give someone money :P 12:10:53 <planetmaker> hehe 12:11:02 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:18 <planetmaker> I always wonder how much people who're not good with doing some quick math are ripped off 12:11:52 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 12:11:52 *** George is now known as Guest12866 12:11:52 *** George|2 is now known as George 12:12:45 <planetmaker> paying 5.43 instead of 4.43 is quite a high margin ;-) 12:13:17 *** Guest12864 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:14:58 <Terkhen> heh 12:15:00 <Terkhen> indeed 12:16:07 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 12:16:07 *** George is now known as Guest12867 12:16:07 *** George|2 is now known as George 12:16:48 *** Guest12866 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:17:18 *** lugo [bc6f57fe@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:20:45 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 12:20:45 *** George is now known as Guest12868 12:20:45 *** George|2 is now known as George 12:21:07 *** Guest12867 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:23:14 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:24:27 *** Guest12868 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:20 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 12:25:20 *** George is now known as Guest12869 12:25:20 *** George|2 is now known as George 12:29:53 *** hari [~hari@202.151.198.245] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 12:30:28 *** Guest12869 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:33:22 *** George is now known as Guest12870 12:33:26 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 12:39:57 *** Guest12870 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:40:54 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:47:40 *** hanf [~Klaus@host-89-240-240-232.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 13:00:52 *** lugo [bc6f57fe@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:03:32 <Eddi|zuHause> http://blog.joda.org/2011/10/today-time-zone-database-was-closed.html 13:04:31 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: While reading I just received an update to tzdata 13:20:47 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 13:25:52 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd 13:25:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 13:26:10 <Belugas> hhello 13:27:24 <Terkhen> hmm... is there a NewGRF example of houses producing something different than passengers or mail anywhere? I spotted something fishy in OpenTTD code and I need a test grf 13:27:54 <planetmaker> hm, producing? 13:28:15 <Terkhen> oooh, the code makes sense now, but I still need the example 13:28:16 * planetmaker doesn't know 13:28:29 <Terkhen> planetmaker: yes, the more it abuses the house production callback the better :P 13:29:24 <Eddi|zuHause> how do houses produce tourists? 13:29:53 <Terkhen> using that callback, I suppose 13:30:13 <Terkhen> so ECS houses produce tourists? 13:30:56 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 13:31:26 <norbert79> Terkhen: Yes 13:31:43 <Terkhen> ok, I'll test with them for now... I'll make the really crazy test NewGRF later 13:32:13 <norbert79> Terkhen: Havent played ECS for a while but I can remember tourists 13:32:26 <norbert79> and one whole building dedicated to it 13:32:30 <Eddi|zuHause> TTRS houses with ECS tourist vector 13:32:43 <Terkhen> ok, thanks :) 13:33:24 <Eddi|zuHause> but i haven't played that combination very much at all 13:33:26 <appe> you guys use excel alot? 13:33:37 <norbert79> appe: I am more using Libreoffice 13:33:56 <appe> ok 13:42:54 <norbert79> appe: Yet if that helps, maybe I could help 13:52:32 <appe> i dont think it will, since i fixed it. 13:52:32 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:52:34 <appe> thanks anyway! 13:52:36 <appe> :D 13:52:45 <norbert79> Sure, any time ;-( 13:52:47 <norbert79> ;-) 13:52:54 *** lugo [bc6f57fe@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:06:55 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.32.29.238] has joined #openttd 14:23:07 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:40:51 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:71b2:13cd:2182:d5e0] has joined #openttd 14:40:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:17:44 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:22:39 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:12 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 15:26:56 *** Kogut [d586afe1@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:27:23 *** Kogut [d586afe1@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:29:28 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:44:37 <norbert79> Wish you all a pleasent weekend! 15:44:39 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving for now. 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But I still have no way to reproduce it ;-) 18:06:27 <Kogut> crash ai with more than 80 variables 18:06:57 <planetmaker> and my question was: which is that? Where do I get that? 18:07:28 <Kogut> openttd will print why game crashed, location of crash (very important) and 80 variables (not so important). 18:07:35 <Kogut> AI log is limited to 80 lines 18:07:57 <planetmaker> yes, that's clear. 18:08:13 <Kogut> I can create AI that will declare 80 variables and then perform 0/0 operation 18:08:41 <planetmaker> so... no such AI exists right now? 18:09:15 <Kogut> maybe 18:09:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Kogut: what planetmaker means is: "please give me an AI file that deterministically crashes by doing steps X, Y and Z" 18:09:41 <Kogut> OK 18:10:51 <planetmaker> well, if it doesn't exist... for this case it might then be a bit much work. Though it'd help me see the problem solved 18:12:10 <Eddi|zuHause> so... need inspiration how to do purchase list sprite selection 18:13:16 <planetmaker> what's the issue there, Eddi|zuHause? 18:13:42 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: certain vehicle-specific variables are not available there 18:13:57 <planetmaker> yes... do we need them and why? 18:14:04 <Eddi|zuHause> so i need a separate selection path 18:14:17 <planetmaker> Hm... do we have already the different list view sprites for vehicles? 18:14:29 <Kogut> http://pastebin.com/pgMXi6yQ - main 18:14:35 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: currently we have selection by date_of_last_service 18:14:47 <Eddi|zuHause> since 10 minutes or so :) 18:15:24 <Kogut> http://pastebin.com/478j9SbS - info.nut 18:16:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6A3EE.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:17:53 <Kogut> @Planetmaker - in 1.1.3 this AI crashes without message what happened (as openttd prints over 80 variables) 18:19:12 <Kogut> In real example AI crashed from FindBrakeVan executed from BuildTrain executed from BuildRailwayConnection from ... 18:21:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Kogut: might that be helped if openttd wrote an ai_crash.log file? 18:21:24 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-98-52.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:21:46 <planetmaker> that would indeed be a very helpful and nice addition 18:21:50 <Eddi|zuHause> and an ai_debug.log if a (to be introduced) ai_developer setting is introduced? 18:21:52 <planetmaker> *hint* *hint* 18:22:01 <planetmaker> that exists already 18:22:05 <planetmaker> ai_developer or so 18:22:11 <planetmaker> iirc 18:22:30 <Kogut> no, as I have patched version and it will require additional problems with average users reporting ai bugs 18:22:47 <planetmaker> eh? 18:23:10 <Kogut> yes, sometimes people report crashes of AIs 18:23:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DE4B.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:23:32 <Kogut> mainly via e-mail 18:23:43 *** KenjiE20 [~Kenji@host-92-8-68-209.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 18:24:43 <planetmaker> yes. I was asking you: are you interested in writing a patch which will create an ai_crash.log upon an AI crash 18:25:10 <Kogut> well 18:25:32 <Kogut> I think it is better to keep ai crashlogs in one place 18:25:33 <planetmaker> because a 400 lines screenshot starts to become a pain 18:25:51 <planetmaker> no one wants to take 10 screenshots 18:26:02 <Kogut> hmm. 18:27:04 <Kogut> maybe proper solution is to move important info (location of crash and what caused it) to bottom? 18:27:59 <Alberth> and you trust average joe to understand what info is important? 18:28:02 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-88-242.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:28:06 <Kogut> no 18:28:09 <Yexo> that's very hard, since that would mean diving in the squirrel code 18:29:04 <Kogut> but now even uploading entire crashlog is useless (sometimes) 18:29:12 * planetmaker finds it very intuitive to just gather *crash*log and post that 18:29:43 <planetmaker> Kogut: we're not talking about the length. Just about getting the information in a user-friendly way 18:29:58 <planetmaker> as report-likelyness decreases, if the user has to do too much 18:30:00 <Kogut> Is it possible to open crashlogfile on AI crash, in way similar to AILog window? 18:30:40 <Kogut> Is it problem similar to clickable URLs? 18:30:44 <planetmaker> Kogut: I also don't say to remove that from the AI debug window. Just additionally to write that backlog into a file upon crash 18:31:21 <Terkhen> so it can be checked without having to take a screenshot 18:31:27 <planetmaker> as screenshots are a pain for scroll-windows. Getting a file is dead easy 18:31:46 <planetmaker> especially on like 13" screens or so 18:31:57 <Kogut> typical user is unable to put grf in proper folder :) 18:32:09 <planetmaker> and? 18:32:20 <planetmaker> Tell the user it is found in his openttd data foler 18:32:27 <planetmaker> people find crash reports 18:32:31 <planetmaker> you gotta trust that 18:32:59 <planetmaker> did you ever read the normal openttd crash window? It also tells you which files to get from where 18:33:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6872.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:35:11 <Kogut> yes 18:35:28 <Kogut> I am not sure whatever it will be better 18:36:24 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 18:37:15 <Kogut> @Yexo - is it needed to change sth in this waypoint patch? ( http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=974404#p974404 ) 18:38:16 <Yexo> coding style for brackets near if/else 18:39:06 <Yexo> you could avoid the very long line by adding "uint p1 = ...;" above it, same for p2 18:39:54 <Yexo> we don't have a hard limit on line length, but 350 columns is a bit over the top 18:39:54 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 18:40:05 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:49:09 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: planetmaker * r23012 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_log.cpp: -Fix [FS#4798]: AI backlog was to short to fully display the backtrace of some AI crashes (Kogut) 18:53:17 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-137-006.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:54:02 <Kogut> @Yexo - http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=44249&p=974404#p974404 - new version 18:55:07 <Yexo> @pre size < 15 <- make that and the line following it this; @pre 0 < size <= 15 18:55:10 <Yexo> 15 is ok, 16 is not 18:56:16 <Yexo> @note GetRailTracks(tile_in_rectangle) == RAILTRACK_NE_SW || GetRailTracks(tile) == RAILTRACK_NW_SE <- that one is pointless 18:56:34 <Yexo> it's implied by the next line and the @pre a few lines before 18:57:05 <Kogut> OK' 18:57:09 <Yexo> (TileIndex tile, int width, StationID waypoint_id); <- now do you want to call it "width" or "size" 18:57:11 <Yexo> pick one and stay with it 18:57:34 <Yexo> @return Whether the rail waypoint(s) <- it's singular 18:58:23 <Kogut> width => size 18:58:44 <Kogut> "@return Whether the rail waypoint(s) <- it's singular" - and? 18:59:21 <Yexo> just write "the rail waypoint" 18:59:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:00:16 <Kogut> ok, hi andy 19:00:46 <Kogut> sth else? 19:01:13 <Yexo> adding it to ai_changelog.hpp 19:02:52 <Kogut> OK 19:04:45 <andythenorth> bonjour 19:05:22 <planetmaker> salut andythenorth 19:05:27 <Kogut> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=44249&p=974404#p974404 updated 19:07:09 <Kogut> @Yexo - +#include "../../core/math_func.hpp" is probably useless (leftover of swaps), I will remove it 19:07:09 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:07:51 <Yexo> tab too much on closing bracker after the else 19:07:52 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 19:07:55 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:08:29 <Kogut> changed 19:09:38 <Kogut> @Yexo, patch in post updated, maybe now it is OK 19:10:11 <Yexo> you need to update your checkout 19:11:10 <Yexo> if(GetRailTracks(tile) == RAILTRACK_NE_SW){ <- should be if (GetRailTracks(tile) == RAILTRACK_NE_SW) { spaces between "if" and "(" and ")" and "{" 19:11:34 * andythenorth is cross with BROS again 19:12:35 <andythenorth> one day a mod will tell me to stop bullying them :P 19:13:02 <planetmaker> andythenorth: I gave up. They're back to square one as of two years ago 19:13:25 <andythenorth> yes 19:13:42 <andythenorth> but I have to live in this country and witness the efforts of thousands of these half-wits 19:13:57 <andythenorth> BROS people are symptomatic of (some) technical British people 19:13:59 <andythenorth> not all 19:14:39 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem with incompetent people: they're in the vast majority 19:14:47 <andythenorth> maybe 19:14:56 <andythenorth> but the europeans on this forum are a lot less dumb 19:15:00 <andythenorth> in general 19:15:21 <Eddi|zuHause> you haven't seen the german forum :p 19:15:27 <andythenorth> true 19:15:33 <planetmaker> nah. There's just a significant amount more continental than islanders 19:15:33 <Kogut> maybe on this forum we have typical sample of brits 19:15:43 <andythenorth> the non-native-english speakers here are self-filtered 19:15:52 <andythenorth> they're smart enough to converse at high level in english :P 19:15:57 <Kogut> heh 19:16:11 <planetmaker> and we have sufficient positive examples. The ratio is the same ;-) 19:16:17 <andythenorth> hmm 19:16:18 <planetmaker> just absolut numbers of course not 19:16:27 <andythenorth> so idiocy in engineering is not limited to the uk? 19:16:36 <planetmaker> probably not 19:16:38 <andythenorth> oh 19:16:44 <andythenorth> another myth punctured :P 19:16:47 <michi_cc> The not-so-smart people remain at tt-ms :p 19:16:51 <planetmaker> :-P 19:16:56 <planetmaker> hehe @ michi_cc 19:17:19 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:17:27 <andythenorth> which country is the best at engineering? 19:17:38 <MNIM> germany, hands down 19:17:42 <andythenorth> nah 19:17:43 <andythenorth> India 19:17:50 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd 19:17:53 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 19:18:04 <MNIM> hey, if you know the answer, why do you ask the question? 19:18:21 <Prof_Frink> MNIM: Hydro are German. This alone excludes them. 19:18:27 <MNIM> hydro? 19:18:46 <Prof_Frink> Customers. 19:19:14 <Prof_Frink> People you don't want to be thinking about when you're in an aeroplane. 19:19:49 <MNIM> ...i fail to see the link between engineering, hydros, customers and airplanes. 19:20:10 <Prof_Frink> Hydro are an aero engineering company. 19:20:22 <Prof_Frink> We do work for them. 19:20:34 <MNIM> ah 19:22:48 <Kogut> @Yexo - after battle with tortoiseSVN merger I created new version of patch 19:23:31 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:23:38 <Kogut> @andythenorth - why India 19:23:51 <Kogut> ? 19:24:41 *** weirdy [~weirdy@31.205.35.121] has joined #openttd 19:24:48 <weirdy> Hey, and devs around? 19:24:54 <weirdy> *any 19:25:04 <Alberth> perhaps :) 19:26:12 <Alberth> andythenorth: today I heard it is called 'bike shedding'. It is the fact that time spent on items is inverse proportional to its importance 19:26:14 <weirdy> I was just wondering, is there any specific reason why there is no feature akin to TTDp's Enhanced tunnel entrances? 19:26:44 <planetmaker> you didn't write a patch for it 19:26:46 <planetmaker> nor anyone else 19:27:03 <Alberth> how are they enhanced? 19:27:11 <planetmaker> a patch which solves all the rough edges of that feature 19:27:26 <Alberth> that would be enhanced indeed :p 19:27:28 <planetmaker> Alberth: allowing to build rail on a tunnel entrance 19:27:39 <Terkhen> no patch, yes 19:27:41 <andythenorth> Alberth awesome thanks 19:27:41 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson's_Law_of_Triviality 19:27:53 <andythenorth> I can use that as business buzzword crap next week :P 19:28:00 <Alberth> planetmaker: I suspected as much :) 19:28:03 <andythenorth> I shall use that at work :) 19:28:07 <Alberth> :) 19:28:07 <Kogut> so it will look ridiculous with standard graphics 19:28:08 <weirdy> What happened to the custom bridgeheads patch too? 19:28:12 <Eddi|zuHause> enhanced tunnels is closely related to custom bridgeheads 19:28:23 <Kogut> pathfinder problems AFAIK 19:28:36 <weirdy> :/ 19:28:38 <planetmaker> nice Alberth. Now I learnt a new phrase / word :-) 19:29:04 <Alberth> weirdy: we like the enhanced tunnels, but only if sufficiently generalized (eg stations/roads/etc on tunnel entrances too) 19:29:53 <weirdy> ah, that would complicate things I can imagine 19:30:23 <Alberth> which is probably why it is not in OpenTTD 19:30:42 <weirdy> So if I want it in I'll need to write a personal patch? 19:30:45 <andythenorth> someone showed that the enhanced tunnels have a horrible edge case 19:30:49 <andythenorth> can't remember it 19:30:57 <planetmaker> probably rb 19:31:09 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:31:20 <Alberth> weirdy: you are free to publish it if you want :) 19:31:27 * weirdy gets back to building moar bridges 19:32:28 <andythenorth> what do I call slopes like 4 and 8 in tileh.png? 19:32:40 <planetmaker> weirdy: patches can readily be published. We accept good solutions gladly 19:32:49 <andythenorth> anyway, I would like tunnels that can start / end on those type of tiles 19:33:14 <Kogut> and underground constructions! 19:33:16 <Kogut> and 19:33:20 <andythenorth> and metro 19:33:25 <andythenorth> and signals everywhere! 19:33:27 <andythenorth> meh 19:33:37 <Kogut> and cargodist 19:34:40 <weirdy> So if I made a patch for basic enhanced tunnels that didn't unclude every type of tile under the sun, it may still be added to the trunk if the patch was up to scratch? 19:36:15 <Alberth> assuming you are not going to support the void tile-type, you will always have a subset of tile types supported :p 19:36:28 <planetmaker> ;-) 19:36:31 <Kogut> @Yexo - can you check it? 19:38:58 <weirdy> Now I just need to learn how to make a patch... 19:40:00 <Alberth> theoretically, you can write a patch-file, although in practice, changing the source code and let the VCS generate a diff is easier. 19:40:05 <Yexo> looks fine 19:40:46 <Kogut> so, is it possible to commit it to trunk? 19:41:54 <michi_cc> Why am I even arguing with mb? 19:42:16 <Yexo> Kogut: yes, after I've tested it. which I'm not going to do right now 19:42:49 <Eddi|zuHause> michi_cc: common newbie mistake :p 19:42:59 <Kogut> OK, (I tested it with AI but maybe I missed sth) 19:44:56 <Terkhen> :P 19:45:03 *** JVassie [~James@2.30.129.177] has joined #openttd 19:45:46 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.237.235.128] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 19:52:22 *** bb10 [~bb10@bb10x.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:10 *** bb10 [~bb10@bb10x.org] has joined #openttd 19:58:28 <andythenorth> michi_cc: arguing with mb is a gravitational thing 19:58:40 <andythenorth> you can try and fight it, but it's inevitable 20:00:11 <Rubidium> michi_cc: because you like arguing in German? 20:00:26 *** weirdy [~weirdy@31.205.35.121] has left #openttd [] 20:01:47 <andythenorth> are german arguments relatively precise? Or do they suffer word collision + meaning ambiguity like english arguments? 20:01:56 <andythenorth> meaning ambiguity is more common 20:02:22 <andythenorth> in tests, 46% of english arguments can be distilled down to pissy semantics 20:04:31 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: word collision and meaning ambiguity are possibly rarer than in english, but some people have the amazing ability to twist your words around to mean the complete opposite :p 20:04:43 <andythenorth> I see 20:04:53 <michi_cc> German arguments might be more precise, but as people like selective reading and deliberate misunderstanding too much, in the end there's probably no difference. 20:05:30 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, MB has mastered both these skills very well :) 20:12:04 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12:35 <andythenorth> I don't believe he does it deliberately 20:12:45 <andythenorth> I can't believe he is just trolling people :) 20:15:06 <Terkhen> you can do both 20:15:56 <supermop_> why does he have such influence? no disrespect intended - just wondering... 20:15:57 <frosch123> i started searching for mental handicaps which fit his symptoms, but did not succeed so far 20:16:42 <frosch123> i don't think he is trolling intetionally, he really believes what he says 20:16:54 <planetmaker> not sure 20:16:57 <andythenorth> supermop_: he's actually quite good at keeping some things in line 20:17:04 <andythenorth> I like MB :) 20:17:26 <andythenorth> he may just be on the spectrum. he's likely not the only one around here... 20:18:16 <supermop_> hmm. is Josef not involved with anything anymore? 20:18:43 <frosch123> supermop_: mb does not have any influence 20:18:48 <frosch123> at least not that i noticed 20:18:51 <planetmaker> andythenorth: there's no one in this channel who blatantly accuses others of things they don't do while arguing the next minute he didn't say so 20:19:11 <frosch123> josef left in 2007 (or 2008?) 20:19:19 <andythenorth> frosch123: ECS labels 20:19:34 <Eddi|zuHause> he's one of those guys who have been around for a very long time, and had significant influence while the community was <10 people 20:19:37 <andythenorth> plus I listen to him when he happens to be right 20:19:50 <andythenorth> of course, that's for *my* definition of right :P 20:22:16 <frosch123> well, he learned nfo by trial and error. so over the years he learned a lot about ttdp due to it working along the lines "try it, it might work". but today there are enough people who can read sourcecode and just tell you what is happening, without much trying 20:22:43 <frosch123> now his knowledge is at best half-baked and wrong in the details 20:24:11 <supermop_> i guess i missed out on a lot of history by going straight from playing tto to 0.6.x 20:24:28 <PeanutHorst> you also missed a lot of insanity 20:24:28 <planetmaker> supermop_: yes, that's when 2/3 of that history was already written ;-) 20:24:32 <PeanutHorst> \dodged a bullet, so to speak 20:24:43 <planetmaker> and that's where that "influence" comes from 20:24:48 <supermop_> i still find the trenches on the monorail tracks to be foreign 20:25:19 <andythenorth> supermop_: they make for *stupid* road crossings :P 20:25:23 <andythenorth> I tried to fix them 20:25:25 <andythenorth> no dice 20:25:37 <supermop_> in tto monorail could not cross road 20:25:43 <planetmaker> that's a difficult thing :-) 20:25:52 <planetmaker> supermop_: you can re-define monorail and disallow it ;-) 20:25:53 <supermop_> did have a nice beam bridge though 20:26:20 <supermop_> don't think its not on my list (of ideas i barely understand how to execute) 20:26:57 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop_: start with something easy: a grf that forbids monorail on road crossings 20:27:19 <supermop_> I would love an alweg style monorail, available in the 60s with relatively slow trains 20:27:34 <Eddi|zuHause> that's something along the lines of 3-5 loc 20:28:10 <supermop_> ive even drawn graphics for a hitachi train similar to the Tama monorail 20:28:55 <supermop_> the trench does have the benefit of being able to convincingly have platforms at the same height as for maglev and steel rail 20:29:06 <frosch123> hmm, in 10 months newgrf turn 10, which is also about when ttdp could be considered dead for 5 years 20:29:44 <supermop_> but i want to code other things first 20:29:52 <supermop_> and it takes me a long time 20:32:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.237.235.128] has joined #openttd 20:38:56 <andythenorth> frosch123: 5 years :O 20:39:00 * andythenorth is surprised 20:39:40 <frosch123> andythenorth: depends when you consider it like that. i decided the use the point where patchman effectively left 20:41:08 <andythenorth> when I started playing this game, it seemed patch was default :) 20:42:23 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-187-127.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:42:57 <frosch123> well, when i joined newgrf specs were basically implemented in ottd, i only did some polishing 20:44:27 <Eddi|zuHause> when i joined, newgrf support in openttd was still seriously lacking 20:44:47 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. neither elrails nor stations worked 20:45:20 <frosch123> august 2002: first newgrf feature; july 2007: second last commit of patchman; april 2008: release of ottd 0.6.0 basically catching up with newgrf; today is october 2011 20:45:30 <Eddi|zuHause> oh and the buggy PBS were in trunk, blocking a release 20:46:11 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: that's when it started playing ottd, because i thought it was an update to ttdp :p 20:46:21 <frosch123> s/it/i/ 20:46:44 <planetmaker> haha :-) 20:47:03 <peter1138> when i joined! 20:47:14 * andythenorth couldn't play ttdp anyway due to mac issues 20:47:22 <planetmaker> but... yes, I looked around that time at it as I didn't want to go through the pain to run ttdp through wine or dosbox 20:47:23 <peter1138> i remember when newstations was my massive uncommitted patch... 20:48:01 <planetmaker> I was with 0.4.8 a bit disappointed though... 0.5.3 was much better :-) 20:48:13 * frosch123 played ttdp 2.0 for about a year, then switched to ottd 0.4.0.1 when looking for a new version of ttdp 20:48:15 <TWerkhoven> [21:46:08] <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: that's when it started playing ottd, because i thought it was an update to ttdp :p <-- sounds familiar actually 20:48:58 <Elukka> when i started playing i remember ttdp was the one that got new features first 20:49:04 <Elukka> still preferred ottd for various reasons 20:49:16 <Terkhen> heh :P 20:49:19 <peter1138> --- station_cmd.c (revision 3070) 20:49:23 <peter1138> newstations1.diff ;) 20:49:55 <andythenorth> peter1138 remember when your massive uncommitted roadtypes patch went in? 20:49:58 <andythenorth> :P 20:50:05 <peter1138> andythenorth, that isn't massive 20:51:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i very sporadically played TTDPatch, i think it was 1.6 or 1.7 when i first found it 20:51:43 <Eddi|zuHause> the next time i played openttd 0.4.0 (without .1) 20:52:11 <Eddi|zuHause> and then half a year later i played nightlies 20:52:40 <Eddi|zuHause> and it was bad enough that it made me join here 20:52:50 <Eddi|zuHause> PBS and newgrf troubles 20:53:14 <supermop_> i joined here because i had no idea how to make a fenced yard tile 20:53:18 <supermop_> (still dont) 20:53:41 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: you played ottd 0.4.0 without 0.0.0.1? that was only around for 6 days :p 20:53:55 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: yep 20:54:22 <Eddi|zuHause> like a week later i couldn't join servers anymore, so i updated 20:56:42 <peter1138> + // THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG 20:56:47 <peter1138> well, at least i knew it... 20:58:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember a comment like: "TODO: doesn't work -- WHAT doesn't work?" 20:58:51 <peter1138> :D 20:59:22 <Eddi|zuHause> it was there for years :) 21:00:24 <peter1138> i remember there being a point in doing newstations where i realised that the newgrf support was majorly hacked up just for vehicles 21:01:02 <frosch123> esp stations :p 21:01:26 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:01:29 <andythenorth> bleargh 21:01:30 <frosch123> maybe also the reason, why stations are actually the most-incomplete grf-feature in ottd 21:01:31 <andythenorth> stations 21:01:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember you complaining about how the first newgrf support was hacked in to manage specific grfs, not something remotely generic 21:01:43 <frosch123> noone uses the stuff anyway 21:01:56 * andythenorth doesn't understand how to code stations. I've outsourced that to y*xo 21:01:58 <andythenorth> :P 21:01:59 <supermop_> i use stations? 21:02:06 <supermop_> or try to 21:02:11 <peter1138> frosch123, i don't remember it being too incomplete 21:02:20 <andythenorth> it's complete enough 21:02:23 <frosch123> were random triggers ever implemented? 21:02:24 <andythenorth> just a bit bonkers 21:02:28 <peter1138> yes 21:02:33 <peter1138> long ago 21:02:45 <peter1138> and animation 21:02:47 <planetmaker> good night 21:02:48 <peter1138> but then nobody ever used it 21:02:51 <Eddi|zuHause> something about delivery stats was still missing last time i checked 21:02:59 <andythenorth> ISR uses animation :) 21:03:09 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, yes 21:03:40 <frosch123> peter1138: animation is implemented yet, but i never found a trace of random triggers 21:03:40 <peter1138> station animation is where TileArea came from 21:03:48 <Eddi|zuHause> but the only GRF that makes use of those is unreleased by you know who 21:04:24 <frosch123> random bits are only randomised on building stations 21:06:19 <Eddi|zuHause> which actually brings me back to a suggestion i had: instead of currently waiting cargo, effects should be based on average throughput per month 21:06:42 <Eddi|zuHause> ISR has beautiful cargo piles, but they never show, because stations must always be empty 21:07:44 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: not with FIRS new station algorithm :D 21:07:53 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:08:09 <frosch123> peter1138: random triggers are definitely not implemented for stations 21:08:12 <andythenorth> I usually have around 1,000t waiting at primaries 21:08:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i never actually tested that :) 21:08:21 <andythenorth> total game changer :) 21:08:32 <frosch123> but noone ever complained about it missing :p 21:08:34 <andythenorth> should have been done *years* ago :P 21:08:42 <andythenorth> ^ station rating, not random trigger 21:09:17 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:09:37 <Terkhen> :P 21:19:54 <Terkhen> good night 21:20:55 <appe> =IF(Diagram!B18>70%;"";"Adressfil har nÃ¥tt 70% bearbetning. Se över alternativa listor för samma projekt!") 21:21:13 <appe> does this feel right to you? :) 21:21:29 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.32.29.238] has joined #openttd 21:23:05 <andythenorth> good night 21:23:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:23:47 <Kogut> new station rating? 21:29:35 <supermop_> show waiting cargo on platforms in proportion to station rating rather than actual amount waiting I think is what he is suggesting? 21:30:13 <Eddi|zuHause> no. 21:30:56 <Eddi|zuHause> make the station rating so it does not drop immediately when no train is waiting, so cargo has a chance to pile up 21:33:26 <supermop_> that sounds better 21:33:42 *** pjpe [ae5f3bfb@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:34:27 <Kogut> I must try it 21:34:39 <Kogut> but now - good night 21:36:30 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 21:39:01 <Elukka> that sounds amazingly sensible 21:39:53 <supermop_> Yexo, do you want hand drawn 32bpp or rendered? 21:40:07 <supermop_> seems it would be best to stick to one or the other 21:40:23 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:44:50 <Yexo> both are fine 21:46:25 <Yexo> there are not so many sprites available currently, so for now I'm mor than happy with any sprites at all 21:46:38 <supermop_> ok 21:47:13 <supermop_> which chunk might be most manageable for one to take on himself? 21:48:00 <Yexo> I don't know 21:48:19 <Yexo> there are a lot of train engines and wagons that have models already, they just need to be rendered for normal zoom 21:50:01 <supermop_> on the thing for airports 21:50:17 *** Kogut [d586afe1@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:50:39 <supermop_> it mentions a seaplane port - would this be able to use extant water tiles or would one need to draw those? 21:50:55 <Yexo> there is no seaplane port available currently 21:51:05 <Yexo> nor will there in the near future 21:51:11 <Yexo> so there are no sprites needed for it right now 21:51:14 <frosch123> are there ogfx+bridges? 21:51:19 <Yexo> no 21:51:25 <Yexo> nml doesn't support bridges yet :p 21:51:49 <supermop_> if someone draws bridges does that help nudge it along? 21:51:57 <Yexo> not really 21:52:08 <frosch123> i think the tubular bridge was one of the first 32bpp sprites in ottd using alpha 21:52:09 <supermop_> and what would be desired for '+' bridges 21:52:31 <frosch123> but i think it was never really released 21:52:44 <supermop_> ogfx+ ideally would add to, not replace default bridges 21:53:01 <supermop_> but currently we do not have a 'bridge types' feature 21:53:04 <frosch123> that's still not possible :) 21:53:47 <frosch123> since most stuff in ogfx+vehicles is company coloured, i guess you might improve it most by adding an alpha channel 21:53:53 <supermop_> so it seems like ogfx+ bridges is more dependent on allowing more bridges in ottd than allowing brides in nml 21:54:22 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:54:23 <frosch123> supermop_: with ogfx+bridges i meant adding real transparency for the covered bridges 21:57:37 <supermop_> for a glass bridge? 21:57:48 *** KenjiE20 [~Kenji@host-92-8-68-209.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:57:58 <frosch123> the tubular bridges 21:58:30 <frosch123> the catenary might also profit from some anti-aliasing 22:00:11 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 22:06:37 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-001-166.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:51 *** DDR [~DDR@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 22:16:24 <Elukka> Eddi|zuHause: have any references of prussian freight cars handy? 22:16:54 <Eddi|zuHause> other than the ones i posted into the ticket? 22:17:35 <Elukka> the DRG one? 22:17:35 <Elukka> http://www.hs-merseburg.de/~nosske/EpocheII/fg/e2f_gwix.html 22:17:40 <Eddi|zuHause> the only thing that i know for sure is that the colour practically never changed 22:17:46 <Elukka> would they have had the same colo- oh okay 22:18:34 <Elukka> it turns out a 3 lu wagon looks kinda weird 22:18:35 <Eddi|zuHause> other than tank wagons, which were privately owned and had no universal colour scheme, and refrigerated wagons, which were usually white 22:19:23 <Elukka> what do you want me to color the tank cars? 22:19:36 <Elukka> a bunch of different color schemes could be interesting 22:20:21 <Eddi|zuHause> yellow is a good start 22:20:42 <Eddi|zuHause> or gray 22:25:19 <Elukka> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/Art%20and%20stuff/coal.png 22:25:21 <Elukka> started that last night 22:25:28 *** weirdy [~weirdy@31.205.35.121] has joined #openttd 22:25:34 <weirdy> I have another question 22:26:09 <Elukka> based on http://www.brawa.de/typo3temp/pics/48781-Kohletrichterwagen-KPEV_02_d125f2d5cf.jpg 22:27:37 <weirdy> What's the best way to play a game with multiple companies? 22:28:13 <supermop_> add an idle ai and cheat to switch between them? 22:28:27 <Elukka> and also a 3 axle compartment coach... a lot of copypasting from the 4 axle ones :P 22:28:27 <supermop_> im doing that at the moment 22:28:32 <weirdy> Wouldn't a server be better? 22:28:57 <Eddi|zuHause> that looks pretty good 22:29:10 <supermop_> if you want to play with other people, yes 22:29:23 *** APTX_ [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 22:29:45 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 22:29:56 <Eddi|zuHause> use IdleAI and the company cheat, or start a local multiplayer game and use the company menu to switch companies 22:30:35 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:34:11 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 22:37:19 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:47 *** weirdy [~weirdy@31.205.35.121] has left #openttd [] 23:01:01 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6872.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:13 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop_] 23:14:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A005.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:02 <Elukka> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Birmingham_International_Maglev.jpg 23:18:04 <Elukka> maglev trams? :P 23:20:23 <V453000> trams? :D 23:21:10 <appe> maglev :D 23:21:29 <Elukka> berlin had some too 23:21:29 <appe> judging by the cars, thats not yesterday 23:21:32 <Elukka> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-Bahn 23:22:09 <Elukka> shanghai has a slightly better one 23:22:09 <Elukka> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/A_maglev_train_coming_out%2C_Pudong_International_Airport%2C_Shanghai.jpg 23:23:38 <Elukka> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L0_Series_Shinkansen 23:27:04 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 23:29:31 *** hanf [~Klaus@host-89-240-240-232.as13285.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:37 <Wolf01> 'night 23:37:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Elukka: that M-Bahn was more a subway-replacement than a tram-replacement 23:37:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.237.235.128] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:38:00 <Elukka> well, some sort of city transit 23:38:45 <Eddi|zuHause> it kinda fell victim to the reunification 23:39:48 <Eddi|zuHause> part of the testing track was on a discontinued subway line, which had to be reopened. and it was considered too expensive to convert the whole network 23:41:33 <Elukka> i suppose all that technology was/is still more expensive than the maintenance of traditional rail vehicles 23:44:46 *** mikethete [~mikethete@70-100-79-107.br1.sma.wv.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 23:49:41 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.84.107] has joined #openttd 23:51:25 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:53 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 23:52:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know if you noticed this, but berlin is hopelessly out of money. like they had banks bursting 10 years before they burst in the rest of the world... 23:58:05 *** lugo [57ad59ec@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]