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00:02:20 *** DDR [~DDR@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 00:15:07 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-86-31-213-47.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:15:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:24:33 *** daniel_ [~daniel@pool-74-100-49-115.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:25:09 <daniel_> password 00:26:27 <daniel_> !!password 00:27:00 *** daniel_ [~daniel@pool-74-100-49-115.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:37:15 <DDR> http://www.pasteall.org/pic/19758 Currently running through about one/week, here. 00:51:00 *** DDR [~DDR@142.179.78.88] has quit [Quit: In democracy it's your vote that counts; In feudalism it's your count that votes. - Mogens Jallberg] 00:51:41 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 00:58:25 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c945:6bf5:4947:cb1c] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:41:30 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 01:51:48 *** blotek [~blotek@eqh222.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15:18 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-77-215.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:17:50 *** DDR [~DDR@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 02:18:08 *** DDR [~DDR@142.179.78.88] has quit [] 02:26:12 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-130-136.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:32:01 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-221-134.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7478F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B741D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:35:04 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a9627.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:36:15 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.55] has joined #openttd 05:44:56 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 06:03:58 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:06:37 *** supermop__- [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop__-] 06:07:53 <Elukka> jesus christ 06:08:03 <Elukka> i wanted to do some texturing and then i opened blender and lost all urge to work in 2 minutes 06:08:31 <Elukka> "ui conventions? nnnnnaaah, we don't need those" 06:17:57 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:37:47 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 06:51:39 <Zuu> Elukka: They possible decided to invent their own conventions :-) 07:06:20 *** Celestar [~dax@217.110.29.210] has joined #openttd 07:07:29 *** Celestar [~dax@217.110.29.210] has quit [] 07:07:42 <planetmaker> moin 07:09:28 *** Celestar [~dax@217.110.29.210] has joined #openttd 07:18:08 <Celestar> hail peops 07:21:28 <Xaroth> hail 07:22:56 <Ammler> orudge: no chance to setup forwards from ttdpatch wiki to tt-wiki? 07:23:29 <Ammler> instead just linking to owenrudge.net 07:24:12 <Ammler> e.g. http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=BaseCosts 07:26:42 <Ammler> and good morning :-) 07:38:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B5E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:39:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6AD3D.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:39:27 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:56:19 *** Celestar [~dax@217.110.29.210] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:56:23 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-86-23-29-77.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:05:22 <planetmaker> moin Ammler :) 08:05:32 <planetmaker> found the broken links on the base cost grf page? ;-) 08:05:48 <z-MaTRiX> hiii 08:05:49 <z-MaTRiX> :) 08:07:48 <planetmaker> hi z-MaTRiX 08:11:54 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-86-23-29-77.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:14:45 <z-MaTRiX> (2/0)/(1/0)= ? 08:15:56 <planetmaker> exactly 08:16:33 <z-MaTRiX> i'd say 2 08:16:48 <DDR_> I'd go with one. 08:16:52 <planetmaker> you can only try to make a statement on a value, if you have a limit to consider. Could be -2 as well. Or something else. Depends on how fast the limits approach 0 08:16:58 <DDR_> 2/0 and 1/0 are both infinity... 08:17:13 <planetmaker> both is undefined. Not infinity ;-) 08:17:20 <DDR_> And I know that something divided by itself is 1. 08:17:26 <DDR_> planetmaker: I defined it. :P 08:17:26 <z-MaTRiX> 0 is named zero, and is a representation of the number halfway between (-1) and (1) ON the one-dimensional number-line. 08:17:30 <z-MaTRiX> it is not nothing 08:17:46 <DDR_> Besides, the beauty is that we don't HAVE to define it! 08:18:14 <planetmaker> DDR_: division by zero is undefined, also 0/0 ;-) 08:18:22 <z-MaTRiX> Any number divided by itself equals 1. 08:18:29 <z-MaTRiX> => 0/0 = 1 08:18:37 <planetmaker> as there cannot be a sensible definition even. And ^ is correct for |R \ {0} 08:18:43 <DDR_> I'm working in a programming language that defined infinity as the largest number you can store in a 32-bit integer. 08:18:55 <DDR_> For all intents and purposes, it seems to work /wonderfully/. :P 08:19:25 <planetmaker> x / x^2 for x=0 != 0 but infinity 08:19:25 <DDR_> z-MaTRiX: Sold. :) 08:19:28 <z-MaTRiX> 1/0 != 2/0 08:19:33 <z-MaTRiX> ;> 08:19:40 <planetmaker> exactly 08:19:44 <DDR_> The important thing is that you're consistent about it, and that you don't look too closely. 08:19:57 <planetmaker> as with 0/0 = 1 can can also prove 1=2 08:20:24 <DDR_> 1+1=3, for large enough values of 1. 08:20:25 <z-MaTRiX> 0*0 != 0*1 != 0*2 ... 08:20:48 <z-MaTRiX> add imaginary part 08:20:49 <planetmaker> you can only ever work with limits if you try to divide by 0. Otherwise all statements of blah / 0 = whatever are meaningless 08:21:55 <z-MaTRiX> how about 08:22:03 <z-MaTRiX> 1/0 = 1z(inf) 08:22:03 <z-MaTRiX> 2/0 = 2z(inf) 08:22:03 <z-MaTRiX> (2/0)/(1/0)=2z(inf)/1z(inf)=2 08:23:06 <z-MaTRiX> 1z(inf)*0 = 1 08:27:41 <z-MaTRiX> (2*0) / (1*0) = 2z(0) / 1z(0) = 2 08:27:47 <orudge> Ammler: how strange, I'm not sure why that's happened 08:28:08 <orudge> may have to get patchman to update IP addresses, I guess 08:28:16 <orudge> there was a redirect on there before, anyway 08:28:37 <Terkhen> good morning 08:31:11 <Ammler> planetmaker: I have lots of links to the old grf wiki, that is why I ask for forward :-P 08:31:43 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:35:19 <planetmaker> Ammler, run a bot over the wiki and replace all ttdpatch.net by newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net or so ;-) 08:35:23 <planetmaker> moin Terkhen 08:35:39 <z-MaTRiX> sed? 08:35:40 <z-MaTRiX> :) 08:36:04 <planetmaker> z-MaTRiX, on a wiki? 08:36:09 <z-MaTRiX> anything 08:36:10 <z-MaTRiX> ;< 08:36:15 <Ammler> planetmaker: tt-forums 08:36:29 <planetmaker> replace.py from the wiki-bot will do the trick nicely 08:36:44 <Ammler> and I do for sure not learn how to use a wiki bot just to replace some links :-P 08:36:54 * planetmaker did :-P 08:37:00 <Ammler> you made a bit more 08:37:13 <planetmaker> but I have ne coop wiki family specs so far 08:39:19 <Ammler> well, as long as people blame owen instead me for the broken links ;-) 08:41:44 *** Elu [Elukka@89-166-103-135.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:45:53 *** Elukka [Elukka@89-166-103-135.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:48:11 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:05:07 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 7.0.1/20111008085652]] 09:10:57 <orudge> Ammler: well, the links will be fixed shortly, just need to speak to patchman 09:20:12 <Ammler> isn't owenrude.net your domain? 09:22:37 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> Ammler, run a bot over the wiki and replace all ttdpatch.net by newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net or so ;-) <-- that's treating the symptoms, not the problem 09:32:55 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, and what is the problem? 09:33:14 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-77-215.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 09:33:37 <planetmaker> and old un-maintained domain slowly shutting down in pieces? Put onto life support for... very little reason? 09:35:12 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: there are links to wiki.ttdpatch.net all over the internet, you can't fix all of them. and it's really simple to just keep the redirect alive 09:48:56 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 09:52:05 *** Elu [Elukka@89-166-103-135.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 09:56:37 *** Celestar [~dax@217.110.29.210] has joined #openttd 09:56:39 <Celestar> \o 10:00:21 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-152-246.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 10:14:02 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 10:35:43 <Ammler> well, at least as long as the domain exists, there is no need to keep/pay for it 10:45:11 <TinoDidriksen> Just "301 Redirect" and everythign will eventually follow... 10:46:03 <TrueBrain> TinoDidriksen: you might think. Yet 5 years ago we had an URL, and people STILL request it ... while it has been on a 301 for 5 years :D 10:48:12 <planetmaker> TinoDidriksen, why would I update my bookmark (or actually my memory) just because a browser re-directs a webpage - something I might not even notice or care about? 10:48:36 <TrueBrain> that is the result, yeah :P 10:48:39 <TrueBrain> a nag-screen does help btw :D 10:48:50 <TrueBrain> nobody loads openttd.com these days :D 10:49:29 <planetmaker> :-) 10:49:53 <TrueBrain> I lied ... 10:49:59 <TrueBrain> @calc 713 / 577972 10:49:59 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.00123362377416 10:50:02 <TrueBrain> @calc 713 / 577972 * 100 10:50:02 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.123362377416 10:50:07 <TrueBrain> 0.12% still opens openttd.com :P 10:51:19 <TrueBrain> still the 301 .... haha :D 11:01:09 <planetmaker> http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/battlefield-3/artikel/analyse_zur_eula_von_ea_origin,45612,2561554.html <-- nice... so much for EULA and about conforming to legal requirements 11:01:17 *** blotek [~blotek@afrj224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 11:12:57 <Terkhen> heh 11:12:57 *** AD [wilberforc@drinks.mountaindew.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:14:33 <Terkhen> EA is always doing stupid things 11:14:45 <Terkhen> I didn't buy the original Mass Effect bacause of the crazy DRM it had 11:14:54 <Terkhen> and now this 11:15:58 <blathijs> Also, I don't actually get the idea that any of this DRM crap stops games from being pirated... 11:16:29 <TinoDidriksen> ME1 had DRM? 11:17:24 <Terkhen> TinoDidriksen: yes, it only allowed you to install the game five times IIRC 11:17:27 <planetmaker> blathijs, it stops the occasional pirate. Not the 'dedicated' 11:17:43 <planetmaker> But to stop the 'occasional' pirate, that's overshooting by quite a margin. 11:17:49 <TinoDidriksen> Oh...eh, I have it via Steam, which has no such limit. 11:18:04 <Terkhen> blathijs: other game with the same DRM than Mass Effect was pirated a day before release, so... it doesn't 11:18:24 <blathijs> planetmaker: What's an "occasional pirate", then? 11:18:56 <Terkhen> TinoDidriksen: I bought it years after, they ended up removing that DRM 11:19:05 <planetmaker> blathijs, the one who'd just take it, if it means no effort 11:19:19 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: "non-conforming" EULA parts are automatically void. 11:19:20 <Terkhen> also, you can consider Steam as a form of DRM... but at least it is one I can live with 11:19:39 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, I know. But what point is it, if 90% of the EULA are void? As outlined there? 11:20:06 <planetmaker> (and the article also explains so, ... shouldn't I haven't know it before) 11:21:36 <peter1138> so 11:21:37 <peter1138> er 11:21:41 <peter1138> what does that article say? 11:22:06 <Eddi|zuHause> dunno, not quite far ahead to the specifics yet... 11:27:25 <peter1138> maybe google translate will help 11:27:35 <planetmaker> peter1138, basically a lawyer analysis EA's EULA for the "origin" "copyright protection" as is going to be used by EA from now on 11:27:41 <Celestar> basically the whole EULA is illegal :P 11:27:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i doubt that, it's quite legal specific stuff. 11:28:14 <Eddi|zuHause> google translate will probably just result in gibberish 11:28:26 <planetmaker> The result basically is, that every single paragraph of that EULA is illegal, surprising or too detrimental for customers, each of the reasons along rendering it void. 11:29:19 <planetmaker> And as the EULA goes, they basically grant themselves the right to completely monitor your computer and communications and publish all such gathered information in order to protect their copyright 11:29:45 <planetmaker> oh, and to transmit these gathered data to any country in the world as they see fit, too 11:30:16 <b_jonas> only that? they don't even mention the user's first born child? 11:30:21 <planetmaker> and to exclude any means of appeal or any liability far beyond what law allows 11:30:35 <b_jonas> what kind of lenient eula is that? 11:30:43 <b_jonas> (cf. http://xkcd.com/501/ ) 11:31:07 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: and to use these data for marketing purposes 11:33:07 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 11:33:44 <planetmaker> also. Though they seem to have removed that half-sentence. 11:35:08 <Celestar> well 11:35:18 <Celestar> closed-source shit. 11:37:06 <z-MaTRiX> http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/demotivational-posters-engineering.jpg 11:37:09 <z-MaTRiX> :) 11:37:39 <MINM> probably a dutchman who built that house >.< 11:37:44 <planetmaker> that's not de-motivational. That's tasteless 11:38:58 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:53:37 <z-MaTRiX> let's see what we have in the fridge to the beer http://uberhumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/demotivational-posters-summer.jpg 11:55:22 <Eddi|zuHause> please, stop trying to be funny. it's in your best interest 11:55:57 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a9627.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:17:06 <Celestar> hm 12:19:34 <lugo> is there a way to see every file-upload a user has done on the forums? 12:20:08 <lugo> i'm sure i've seen a water airport done by aegir and wanted to post a link to that thread in the recent discussion.. 12:26:12 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:09:11 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-86-23-29-77.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:27:28 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 13:31:26 *** TyrHeimdall [~marcus@marcus.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:38:19 *** Celestar [~dax@217.110.29.210] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:45:28 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@2a02:1680:0:1:2:1:1:6e01] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:33 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@2a02:1680:0:1:2:1:1:6e01] has joined #openttd 13:49:05 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-86-23-29-77.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:50:24 <Belugas> hello 13:54:53 *** TyrHeimdall [~marcus@marcus.no] has joined #openttd 13:54:55 <Belugas> lugo, i doubt you can 13:55:21 <Belugas> you should try searching the posts with different keywords 13:56:38 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:e9b1:c3ef:9d6c:af6e] has joined #openttd 13:56:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:57:25 <MINM> hmmmmh 13:57:50 <MINM> the screenshots on the OTTD site could deserve some new ones from 1.1.3 14:00:59 <peter1138> make some nice ones 14:02:26 <MINM> am doing that right now. 14:03:01 *** TyrHeimdall [~marcus@marcus.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:03:59 <Belugas> hint: don't make ones that are showing off your skills, but ones that show how cool OTTD is 14:04:41 <Belugas> and ones that do not show stuff that can be done on TTDPatch, there are some poor souls quite sensible to that... 14:04:42 <MINM> skills? 14:04:50 <MINM> what are those? 14:06:51 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:13:04 <MINM> http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/1/1/2248324/XPlane/Minhill%20Transport%2C%203rd%20Feb%202002.png 14:13:07 <MINM> how bout that? 14:13:08 <Belugas> LOOK AT MY INCREDIBLE LARGE STATION SUPPLYING blablabla... 14:13:22 <MINM> lol 14:14:22 <MINM> I did have some old maps with pretty f'ing heavy traffic that could qualify as that, with rather complicated junctions with integrated stations 14:14:35 <MINM> ehh, can you actually see that link? 14:14:44 <MINM> I think I forgot to remove the comma from the file name 14:17:53 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 14:20:07 <MINM> http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/1/1/2248324/OTTD/Minhill%20Transport%20-%203rd%20Feb%202002.png 14:20:12 <MINM> should be fixed now 14:22:40 <TrueBrain> hmm, dutch train set <3 14:22:51 <Belugas> newgrf... mb will hit you with a ton of bricks 14:23:05 <Belugas> on the other side, who cares what he says... 14:23:11 <TrueBrain> ^^ 14:23:18 <TrueBrain> if we did care, OpenTTD would be a dead project by now 14:23:20 <MINM> isn't dutch trainset, is 2cc with primary yellow and secundary blue colours :D 14:23:41 <TrueBrain> MINM: in result, the trains are dutch :P 14:23:50 <MINM> true. that was my intention, after all 14:23:57 <MINM> even if the landscape is far from dutch 14:24:06 <TrueBrain> or city names 14:24:11 <TrueBrain> the NS extended its coverage ;) 14:24:15 <MINM> actually, that specific model train that runs the line is dutch, too 14:24:48 <MINM> that game is from before I figured out how to enable town name grfs >.< 14:24:55 <MINM> considering I did so only this week :D 14:24:56 <Eddi|zuHause> didn't they want to build a 2000m high mountain? :p 14:25:12 <MINM> eh, not sure if april foolds 14:25:14 <MINM> *fools 14:25:17 *** AD [wilberforc@drinks.mountaindew.org] has joined #openttd 14:25:22 <MINM> silly fingers, what are you doing with that D? 14:25:54 *** AD is now known as Guest15057 14:26:27 *** TyrHeimdall [~marcus@marcus.no] has joined #openttd 14:26:37 <MINM> hmmmh. 14:26:46 <MINM> let's hunt another pretty picture. 14:28:11 <MINM> in my games I try to use trains from as close to the Netherlands as possible, except where I can't avoid it (dutch trains don't go well with mountains, apparently, who would have thought?) 14:28:44 <TrueBrain> lol 14:28:49 <TrueBrain> 1 leaf on the rails and they come to a stand-still 14:30:45 <MINM> well, nowadays it's not leaves, but copper theft 14:31:45 <TrueBrain> that is one thing they really can't help :) 14:31:55 <TrueBrain> without copper, trains simply don't run :) 14:32:29 <Prof_Frink> Just keep all the cables live. 14:33:10 <MINM> they do 14:33:29 <MINM> apparently copper is valuable enough nowadays to steal it from live running wires 14:33:48 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-152-246.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:33:53 <MINM> also, signaling is done with copper, if I'm not mistaken 14:35:31 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-152-240.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 14:36:13 <Terkhen> some people here have died while trying to steal copper 14:38:35 * Belugas ears are dry. timwe to get them wet with some music 14:39:12 *** AD_ [wilberforc@drinks.mountaindew.org] has joined #openttd 14:39:28 *** Guest15057 [wilberforc@drinks.mountaindew.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:49:21 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 14:49:53 <MINM> "Can't change volume inside OpenTTD [FS#4416]" 14:49:58 <MINM> listed under known bugs 14:50:06 <MINM> I thought already that this was a feature, lol 15:05:24 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:09:32 *** Brianett1 [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:11:05 <orudge> Ammler: wiki.ttdpatch.net (and svn.ttdpatch.net) should now be working again, now on the tt-forums server :) 15:12:22 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:14:01 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 15:14:36 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 15:26:19 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:26 *** Brianett1 is now known as Brianetta 15:27:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B5E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34:18 <Sacro> MINM: no, we use fibre mostly now 15:34:23 <Sacro> but they just damage it :( 15:34:31 <MINM> in the netherlands? 15:34:53 <Belugas> Sacro is not on the continent 15:37:05 <Sacro> we have our own little island over here 15:37:14 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:40:28 *** Trojanin [trojanin@floss.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:40:38 <MINM> ahh 15:44:51 *** Sacro is now known as Sacro^ 15:54:32 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-152-240.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 15:57:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro^: need bigger signs that say "this is not a copper cable" 15:57:05 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:59:54 <Sacro^> Eddi|zuHause: I think they've got that far, they just damage it to be twats 16:08:24 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:11:21 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 16:22:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6AD3D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:42:25 *** Trojanin [trojanin@floss.pl] has joined #openttd 16:55:27 *** Trojanin [trojanin@floss.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:03:43 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.32.29.238] has joined #openttd 17:09:39 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:12:41 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@80.187.215.80] has joined #openttd 17:13:43 *** Ren [~cheez@s5375e956.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:14:04 *** Ren is now known as renske 17:24:40 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 17:24:49 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a9627.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:31:49 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:26 *** Trojanin [trojanin@floss.pl] has joined #openttd 17:32:29 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:39:37 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 17:45:09 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r23060 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/tamil.txt: 17:45:09 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:09 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: tamil - 124 changes by aswn 17:45:17 <Terkhen> big 17:46:28 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:47:16 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:50:01 *** renske [~cheez@s5375e956.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 17:51:12 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:58:54 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-014-091.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:59:39 <Belugas> TIME 17:59:48 <Belugas> big time... 18:00:28 *** Trojanin [trojanin@floss.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:03 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:05 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 18:21:35 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 18:37:27 *** Trojanin [trojanin@floss.pl] has joined #openttd 18:42:41 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@80.187.215.80] has joined #openttd 18:46:42 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:48:39 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@80.187.215.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:49:48 <andythenorth> did I miss much? 18:50:11 <Belugas> me? 18:50:24 <andythenorth> a bit 18:50:29 *** Trojanin [trojanin@floss.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:52:04 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@80.187.215.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:55:49 *** blotek [~blotek@afrj224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Wychodzi] 18:56:08 *** blotek [~blotek@afrj224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 18:56:47 * Belugas hugs andythenorth 19:11:19 *** ricky26 [~quassel@80.83.125.94] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11:19 *** ricky26 [~quassel@80.83.125.94] has joined #openttd 19:16:09 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:17:11 *** Celestar [~dax@dslb-188-110-052-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:17:35 <Celestar> o 19:18:02 <Rubidium> i 19:18:06 <Celestar> lol 19:18:09 <Celestar> sorry :P 19:27:28 *** Trojanin [trojanin@floss.pl] has joined #openttd 19:28:17 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.55] has joined #openttd 19:30:23 *** Celestar [~dax@dslb-188-110-052-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:56 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-224-51.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:40:29 *** Trojanin [trojanin@floss.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:35 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 19:47:03 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd07c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:49:43 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-188-2.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:50:27 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 19:50:43 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:52:28 *** Trojanin [trojanin@floss.pl] has joined #openttd 19:54:33 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-77-215.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:39 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:05:33 *** Trojanin [trojanin@floss.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:49 *** JVassie_ [~James@2.27.86.55] has joined #openttd 20:07:10 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 20:12:18 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:34 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.55] has joined #openttd 20:22:49 *** JVassie_ [~James@2.27.86.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:04 *** JVassie_ [~James@2.27.86.74] has joined #openttd 20:26:43 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:28:57 <andythenorth> meh 20:31:19 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-152-240.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 20:40:03 <frosch123> haha, so that 5000 vehicle game uses a grf version 1 grf :p 20:40:41 <Eddi|zuHause> that's... unfortunate :p 20:41:29 <Eddi|zuHause> we should build more grfs that will deactivate themselves in future versions :p 20:42:25 <frosch123> yay, the 2kx2k map is maybe 0.0001% filled 20:42:29 *** Trojanin [trojanin@floss.pl] has joined #openttd 20:43:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i can imagine 5000 is quite a low limit for RVs 20:43:38 <frosch123> well, the pf won't cause a problem, when roads branch only every 200 tiles or so 20:43:47 <Terkhen> those are still around? 20:44:06 <frosch123> Terkhen: 1.1.x still works with them 20:44:11 <Terkhen> heh :P 20:44:22 <frosch123> and it is on bananas 20:45:13 <frosch123> that game is actually funny with trunk. it says missing grf, and when opening the "find missing grfs online" it says "you already have this" :p 20:45:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: it's mostly malformed newer grfs, not actual grf version 1 20:45:45 *** Elukka [Elukka@89-166-103-135.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:45:51 <Terkhen> I see :) 20:46:07 <frosch123> i am not even sure whether there was ever a grf with version 0 or 1 "released" 20:49:24 <frosch123> august 2002 to july 2003 20:49:36 <frosch123> grf version 1 introduced action 8 btw :p 20:51:21 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:07 <andythenorth> let's deprecate newgrf 20:54:11 <andythenorth> then our lives will be improved 20:55:22 <Belugas> hem... really? 20:55:48 <Belugas> is newgrf related somehow with my basement? 20:55:58 <Belugas> or... my work@work? 20:56:07 <Rubidium> lets deprecate and axe all network code. That will make our live much easier ;) 20:56:14 <Belugas> :D 20:56:15 <Belugas> YEAH! 20:56:20 <andythenorth> all network code in the world? 20:56:23 <andythenorth> or just in ottd? 20:56:35 <Rubidium> just the network code related to OpenTTD 20:57:00 <Belugas> nonono... al the code in the world! 20:57:09 <DorpsGek> someone wants to deprecate this channel? 20:57:24 <Belugas> mmh... 20:57:30 <Belugas> boring code them? 20:58:19 <frosch123> well, my software passed the fat yesterday. so it should be fine to deprecate it today :) 20:59:30 <Terkhen> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/685/ <--- proposal for 1.2.0 21:00:19 <andythenorth> should be easy to port to a wide range of platforms 21:00:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: finnally converted to 100% c++!! 21:00:27 <andythenorth> I think I could write a browser-based version of that 21:01:15 <frosch123> the ottd installer does not require 7 dvds, it must be old 21:01:49 <frosch123> we should make a ottd release on bluray 21:01:58 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: it doesn't require online registration or DRM 21:02:11 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: that's what you think :p 21:03:25 <Eddi|zuHause> we should write an EULA that says "we may scan your computer to identify unlicensed software" 21:03:43 <Eddi|zuHause> that's totally "in" right now 21:04:57 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: "we may scan your computer to identify unsupported content" ;) 21:05:02 <Terkhen> :D 21:05:21 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: we will steal your creditcard information ? :) 21:05:32 *** Trojanin [trojanin@floss.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:43 <TrueBrain> with signing the iTunes EULA, you agree to be attached to another person for experimentation 21:05:48 <TrueBrain> South Park all over again ... 21:05:53 <frosch123> oh, trojanin left 21:06:02 <frosch123> were was she sent to? 21:06:56 <Rubidium> Ilium? 21:07:48 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I have a favour to ask... 21:08:02 <andythenorth> I need a refit scheme for a cargo tram 21:08:09 <Mazur> Ah, Topless Towers. 21:08:17 <andythenorth> a contemporary one, like the VW one 21:08:46 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, like <A><B>*<A>? 21:09:07 <andythenorth> yes 21:09:23 <Eddi|zuHause> let me get back to that tomorrow-ish 21:09:27 <andythenorth> I can do the code, but I am lacking inspiration wrt capacity, number vehicles etc 21:09:44 <Rubidium> 42 21:09:46 <andythenorth> wagon length will be similar to the biggest current tram in HEQS 21:10:07 <andythenorth> Rubidium: you mean 2A :P 21:10:16 <Rubidium> no, 42 21:10:19 <andythenorth> should a modern cargo tram refit to bulk cargos? 21:10:35 <Mazur> 2 ? 21:10:41 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CarGoTram 21:11:36 *** perk111 [~perk11@188.32.29.238] has joined #openttd 21:12:31 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23061 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/shared/mysql.cpp: [MSU] -Change: force utf8 connection with the MySQL server 21:12:48 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.32.29.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:22:36 <andythenorth> real VW cargo tram does 50 km/h, same as the current fastest HEQS trams 21:22:54 <andythenorth> that would give it no gameplay advantage 21:23:03 <andythenorth> how fast should it go? 21:24:00 <supermop_> does it need to go faster? 21:24:30 <Eddi|zuHause> trams rarely go faster than 60-70km/h 21:24:54 <andythenorth> supermop: it needs some reason to exist in game 21:24:59 <andythenorth> graphics are not enough :P 21:25:05 <supermop_> it could have lower running cost? 21:25:11 <supermop_> better load speed? 21:25:20 <andythenorth> both valid, but not compelling 21:25:23 <supermop_> better reliability? 21:25:27 <andythenorth> running costs don't really matter 21:25:38 <__ln__> why does VW have one? 21:25:40 <andythenorth> reliability - lots play with breakdowns off 21:25:51 <andythenorth> __ln__: see the link further up 21:26:09 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: because they couldn't get rail access to their factory 21:26:44 <supermop_> i think he means, what are the advantages vw sees in it - your tram could have the same 21:27:01 <__ln__> exactly 21:27:11 <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't really apply 21:27:45 <DDR_> VW put it in because they couldn't put their trucks on the road without causing congestion. 21:27:48 <andythenorth> UK trams seem to be 80km/h 21:27:54 <Eddi|zuHause> as the current heqs "trams" wouldn't have been an alternative 21:28:01 <DDR_> However, since tram tracks run on roads in OpenTTD, there's no advantage. 21:28:55 <__ln__> you can build tram tracks without roads in ottd. 21:30:16 <andythenorth> alicante has 100km/h trams 21:30:47 <Elukka> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b7/ElectrolinerCNSRRVSEng.jpg 21:31:10 <Elukka> "The Electroliners were cleverly designed to operate with the high platforms, sharp curves, and narrow clearances of the Chicago Loop and the Chicago 'L', to run at speeds of 80 miles per hour (130 km/h) or more on the North Shore's main line, and to make their way up Milwaukee city streets to the North Shore Milwaukee Terminal in downtown Milwaukee." 21:31:11 <Eddi|zuHause> some german cities have "Stadtbahn" which is something inbetween a tram and a commuter rail 21:32:10 <__ln__> three finnish towns used to have trams -- today only one still has them. 21:32:14 <Eddi|zuHause> and then there's hybrid trams that can operate as regular railways 21:32:22 <frosch123> does the unrealistic train set feature a cargo trams with a rocket engine? 21:32:30 *** Trojanin [trojanin@floss.pl] has joined #openttd 21:32:50 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: it would be an unrealistic tram set then 21:33:15 <Elukka> i've had something inbetween a tram line and commuter rail in openttd 21:33:27 <V453000> unrealism! 21:33:44 <Elukka> buses were not enough to handle the passengers of one big city so i built single track rail lines through the middle 21:33:52 <Elukka> with small stations and EMUs 21:34:01 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: new route type: tramtraintrack 21:34:08 <andythenorth> :P 21:34:15 <supermop_> well 21:34:26 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: well... dreams :p 21:34:40 <andythenorth> what would it do? 21:34:47 <andythenorth> other than require an ugly transition tile? 21:34:54 <supermop_> perhaps there would be a roadtype overlay for narrow and standard gauges 21:35:48 <supermop_> with all sorts of trains running down trucks i guess 21:35:53 <V453000> Trains on Roads: Dumbness reborn? Stupidity of a train combined with stupidity of a tram? Getting closer to ship intelligence levels :D 21:36:50 <supermop_> highline was built in New York because people kept getting run over by the industrial trains that ran between factories and warehouses on the streets 21:37:01 <supermop_> and now its a nice park 21:37:18 <Elukka> i've seen photos of standard gauge trains running on city streets 21:37:43 <Elukka> in the US and... czech republic, i think 21:37:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 21:38:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:38:27 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:39:17 <Elukka> http://macborja.smugmug.com/Trains/South-City-Switcher/UP14890531079/158268149_HZRnp-O.jpg 21:39:37 <V453000> havent seen a train in the street ever 21:39:40 <V453000> (I am czech) 21:39:51 <TrueBrain> but the question is 21:39:54 <TrueBrain> have you ever been outside? 21:40:05 <V453000> :D 21:40:12 <V453000> where? 21:40:12 <MINM> well, in older ages this was far more common. 21:40:13 <V453000> :P 21:40:17 <Elukka> don't trust my memory too much 21:40:48 <Elukka> i just remember reading it was czech, but i'm not sure 21:40:53 <MINM> most harbour cities did, for example, antwerp 21:40:53 <Elukka> i can throw you a picture though 21:41:03 <Eddi|zuHause> the narrow gauge "Harzquerbahn" has a section where it's running on the streets in Wernigerode 21:41:14 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-188-2.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:41:27 <Elukka> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/tr6udry6dr5y.jpg 21:41:35 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-188-2.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:42:04 <Eddi|zuHause> or at least it used to, i think they rebuilt the road there now 21:42:09 <V453000> that is a czech train indeed Elukka 21:42:47 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_London_Square 21:43:09 <andythenorth> http://ken-s.smugmug.com/Trains/Kens-Train-Photos/2769336_3GzP24/1/147877776_o7MYz#147877776_o7MYz 21:44:01 <Eddi|zuHause> "after successfully establishing a monopoly on map data, google is now charging for use of its api" 21:45:08 <andythenorth> yup 21:45:21 <andythenorth> except for the lots of app developers who are switching to MS bing 21:45:27 <andythenorth> which is free....for now 21:45:39 <TrueBrain> and MS is doing DMCA Takedown of open source projects that use the Skype API 21:45:42 <TrueBrain> I love this world ... 21:46:17 <andythenorth> it's a happy place 21:46:23 <TrueBrain> greed is good 21:46:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess "do no evil" is one of these good intentions that never actually survive new years day 21:46:51 <andythenorth> I for one feel sorry for google 21:46:56 <andythenorth> and their lack of revenues 21:47:25 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-152-240.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 21:47:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i couldn't care less about googles revenues 21:48:24 * andythenorth wonders what 900kW is in real money 21:48:42 <andythenorth> 'quite a lot' 21:49:00 <andythenorth> one thing the CarGo tram could do is go up hills faster :P 21:49:13 <andythenorth> it's 1,200hp, or more depending on number of wagons 21:49:23 <Eddi|zuHause> you know how google is dangerous to modern society? since the appearence of gmail fewer and fewer people have the knowledge how to set up a mailserver. and if google's advertising-based market suddenly breaks away, it'll draw a hole into society 21:50:20 <andythenorth> that, and if we lost search, we'd face a traumatic loss of access to trivia 21:51:07 <Elukka> there are a tonne of free mail services besides gmail and also a tonne of other perfectly functional search engines 21:51:24 <Eddi|zuHause> this is actually true for lots of "clouds" 21:51:27 <Elukka> if google went under then others would gain a huge surge of popularity 21:51:47 <Eddi|zuHause> once you rely on them, you're lost if they suddenly break away 21:51:48 <andythenorth> went under? I think someone would pick over the bigs 21:51:52 <andythenorth> bits /s 21:52:22 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: imagine an energy crisis 21:52:37 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: who could afford running huge datacenters? 21:53:01 <andythenorth> just do search slower :P 21:53:09 <andythenorth> there would be fewer users then 21:53:17 <andythenorth> time sharing? 21:53:29 <andythenorth> answers by carrier pigeon? 21:53:35 * andythenorth codes a bit of tram 21:53:41 <andythenorth> this will be fun 21:54:03 <andythenorth> we (I?) will have to set HP according to number of wagons 21:54:13 <andythenorth> as RVs have no idea about powered wagons 21:54:19 <andythenorth> cb36 is always pleasing 21:55:33 *** Trojanin [trojanin@floss.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:57:07 <Eddi|zuHause> that should be easy, just check on cargo-subtype, and give different results 21:58:41 <andythenorth> yup 21:58:43 <andythenorth> it's fun 21:58:48 * andythenorth ponders 21:59:10 <andythenorth> for grf version 8(?) could we ditch the tiresome things like 'weight in 1/4 tons', speed * 3.2 ? 21:59:27 <Eddi|zuHause> use nml :) 21:59:31 <andythenorth> I mean, it's fun to do the calculations every time, but I'm wearing out certain keys 21:59:36 <andythenorth> nml takes the fun away 21:59:43 <andythenorth> nml is just like writing code 22:00:10 <andythenorth> if I want to write code, I might as well write code I'm going to get paid for 22:00:23 <andythenorth> I like nfo, it's arcane and pointless, thereby fun 22:00:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i let my code write code... 22:00:42 <andythenorth> code generators are eviiiil 22:01:06 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. *pets cat* 22:02:06 <andythenorth> so what is the point of action 0 prop 15 for RVs? 22:03:59 <andythenorth> ah 22:04:04 <andythenorth> that's the one that sets speed :P 22:04:14 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: can set speed 4 times higher than prop 08 22:04:14 <andythenorth> it's prop 08 that's redundant 22:04:41 * andythenorth hits the upper limit of prop 14 (again) 22:05:35 <Eddi|zuHause> can't cb36 override that with higher values? 22:05:50 <andythenorth> probably 22:05:53 <Eddi|zuHause> and why can't articulated parts have weight? 22:07:21 <andythenorth> ask Terkhen 22:08:01 <andythenorth> is 50mph too fast for a freight tram, and is it too much of a speed jump? 22:08:07 * andythenorth thinks it might be interesting 22:08:18 <Eddi|zuHause> what's that in real world speeds? 22:08:25 <andythenorth> 80km/h 22:08:33 <andythenorth> introduced 2010 22:08:36 <andythenorth> oops 22:08:36 <andythenorth> 2001 22:08:47 <andythenorth> most players will have switched trams to trucks by then 22:08:54 <andythenorth> so it will be just nicley annoying 22:08:59 <Elukka> i think freight trams would make the most sense with YACD and FIRS... though YACD kinda sounds like it won't be finished 22:09:27 <andythenorth> freight trams make sense anywhere you want transfers ;) 22:10:42 <Eddi|zuHause> there are no sensible truck sets :( 22:10:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B5E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:11:05 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: if we sorted out RVs I would make one 22:11:15 <andythenorth> for as long as RVs remain crappy, I'm not bothering 22:11:52 <Mazur> Don't worry, worthwhile RV's will be coming. 22:12:12 <andythenorth> ? 22:12:51 * andythenorth wonders how to annoyingly exclude bulk cargo in the new tram 22:12:57 <andythenorth> it's too late to work out bit masks 22:13:10 <andythenorth> maybe tomorrow :P 22:13:20 <andythenorth> also grain and stuff 22:13:21 <andythenorth> hmm 22:13:32 <andythenorth> this refit mask will be an arse probably 22:14:28 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 22:15:51 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: the CarGo tram capacity is 15t for trailers, 7.5t for cab cars, which seems good 22:16:03 <andythenorth> the current biggest HEQS tram is 20t per wagon 22:16:21 <andythenorth> so the modern one will be faster, more powerful, lower capacity 22:16:26 <andythenorth> ideal for express cargo in town :) 22:16:39 <Eddi|zuHause> so no bulk cargo then? 22:16:43 <andythenorth> I don't think so 22:17:03 <Elukka> LV4 has worthwhile trucks 22:17:07 <andythenorth> keep using the old tram (lower speed, higher capacity) or mining trucks 22:17:30 *** Trojanin [trojanin@floss.pl] has joined #openttd 22:18:53 <andythenorth> hmm 22:19:06 <andythenorth> wtf? I get new heads on the HEQS repo 22:19:08 <andythenorth> how tiresome 22:22:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B5E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:52 <Eddi|zuHause> hg pull && hg rebase 22:25:05 <Eddi|zuHause> hg pull -u && hg rebase 22:30:34 *** Trojanin [trojanin@floss.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:26 <andythenorth> I did pull before writing code 22:33:30 <andythenorth> and before committing :( 22:33:35 <andythenorth> merge fixed it 22:33:47 <andythenorth> strange 22:33:51 <Eddi|zuHause> not only pull, but also update 22:34:07 <andythenorth> yup - I always use hg pull -u ;) 22:34:18 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you forgot? :) 22:34:21 <andythenorth> the rollback I did must have added new heads 22:34:30 <andythenorth> why does a rollback create a head? 22:35:14 <andythenorth> hmm 22:35:15 <frosch123> andythenorth: do "hg pull --rebase" 22:35:21 <andythenorth> maybe I rolled back my last commit :P 22:35:26 <andythenorth> instead of the add 22:35:38 <Yexo> that is quite possible 22:35:41 <andythenorth> possibly I just removed some useful code from HEQS :) 22:36:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6BF11.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 22:36:31 <Yexo> you didn't, head is now r661 which is the merge between r659 and r660. r660 has r658 as parent 22:36:42 <Yexo> so if you did rollback before you started working this has indeed happened 22:36:55 <Yexo> since r659 was only adding a tag the merge was done automatically 22:36:59 <Yexo> and nothing is list 22:37:08 <andythenorth> so what is the correct way to undo an add? 22:37:17 <andythenorth> forget? 22:37:18 <Yexo> revert 22:37:27 <andythenorth> hmm 22:37:29 <andythenorth> ok 22:37:45 <Yexo> "hg forget" == "hg remove -Af" 22:37:52 <andythenorth> I should have committed the changes I wanted to keep, and reverted the add 22:38:26 <andythenorth> nvm 22:38:31 * andythenorth -> bed 22:38:36 <andythenorth> good night 22:38:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:39:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6AD3D.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:41:53 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 22:42:30 *** Trojanin [trojanin@floss.pl] has joined #openttd 22:44:17 <Terkhen> good night 22:45:51 <Mazur> If you wish. 22:46:26 *** enr1x_ [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 22:48:13 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:55:16 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 22:55:34 *** Trojanin [trojanin@floss.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:00:18 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd07c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:26 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:12 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10:47 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-014-091.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... 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