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00:01:55 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 00:04:51 <__ln__> i'll try 00:06:29 <Eddi|zuHause> that there exists a D which is diagonal that fulfils this equation might be worth proving :p 00:07:49 <__ln__> i suspect diagonals is not the intended solution here because those are only introduced later 00:09:04 <Eddi|zuHause> you can use diagonals without knowing that they are special :p 00:09:20 <frosch123> i would assume there is only one solution to the problem. they are all the same, using a diagonal matrix is just the most formal way to write it up 00:10:25 <frosch123> well, i mean, there are multiple ways to come to the same result :p 00:10:50 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.84.107] has joined #openttd 00:12:24 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: you don't even need the fact that D is diagonal, it's just very obvious to a trained eye 00:12:40 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: what you actually need is that in your case, D^2=1 00:13:45 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-237-214.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:14:17 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, and you might want to check whether you need C = A*D instead 00:15:01 <frosch123> is that a didactical hint? or did i mess up? 00:15:19 <Eddi|zuHause> (one modifies rows, the other one modifies columns, but i'm too lazy/tired right now to make sure which is which) 00:15:37 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i do suspect that it's the wrong way around :) 00:16:22 <frosch123> i think i am right :) 00:18:34 <Eddi|zuHause> that happens to the best of us :p 00:30:21 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-006-224.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 00:53:21 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:09:00 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0f7aa.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 01:10:07 *** blotek_ [~blotek@acra206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Wychodzi] 01:10:30 *** blotek [~blotek@acra206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 01:18:22 *** plugwash [~plugwash@cpc7-stkp7-2-0-cust208.10-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:26:15 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:28:27 *** kaparen [~aabbcc@c-2467e455.94-17-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:19:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff59c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:20:06 <__ln__> heureka, 4*2 is not 6 but 8. 03:01:53 *** Elukka [~Elukka@89-166-103-135.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 03:08:06 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 03:14:57 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.84.107] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:23:28 *** blotek [~blotek@acra206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:25:20 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-188-109-245-087.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:31:25 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-157-223.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:09:07 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:6497:838:b997:a136] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:22:29 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop_] 04:53:06 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 05:55:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73E84.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B746E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:30:35 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a9627.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:01:44 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:10:04 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 07:12:54 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:18:54 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 07:28:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AC55.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:55:34 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:08:20 <Terkhen> good morning 08:09:12 <Terkhen> those nightly conversations grow longer everyday, from now on I'll only check the backlog for highlights :/ 08:10:07 <planetmaker> moin 08:10:42 <Terkhen> hi planetmaker 08:11:32 <planetmaker> salut Terkhen 08:15:38 <Terkhen> planetmaker: can you remind me the link for configuring the bouncer? I forgot it :P 08:19:15 <planetmaker> https://bnc.openttdcoop.org:6697/ 08:19:44 <dihedral> good morning 08:19:50 <planetmaker> ^^ Terkhen 08:19:52 <Terkhen> thank you :) 08:19:53 <planetmaker> moin dihedral 08:19:55 <Terkhen> good morning dihedral 08:20:05 <dihedral> hello Terkhen, planetmaker :-) 08:32:04 <TrueBrain> Terkhen: it is at least better than the backlog of the mornings. It only says: morning morning morning morning :P :P 08:32:26 <planetmaker> :-P 08:32:38 <planetmaker> morning TrueBrain ;-) 08:32:48 <TrueBrain> ieuw 08:33:11 <Terkhen> good morning TrueBrain <--- messages like this one are more easy to filter than huge single-line dissertations about whatever :) 08:33:33 <TrueBrain> Terkhen: nah; scroll scroll, there :P 08:33:53 <Terkhen> :D 08:36:08 <TrueBrain> I love some posts on the forum :D "I played the original 15 years ago on a 486 ..." .. then maybe you should indeed go play the original, not OpenTTD :P Hihi :D 08:37:51 <planetmaker> ye old times were surely better ;-) 08:40:11 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-006-224.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 08:47:35 <Terkhen> yes, those trucks that refused to move were a blast 09:03:57 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:04:54 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:05:04 *** kaparen [~aabbcc@c-2467e455.94-17-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 09:07:55 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:32:33 *** Celestar [~dax@82.113.99.55] has joined #openttd 09:32:53 <Arafangion> Darn, they fixed those bugs? :( 09:33:00 <Celestar> yo 09:33:06 <Terkhen> Arafangion: luckily yes :) 09:33:09 <Terkhen> hi Celestar 09:33:47 <dihedral> the future was for sure better back then ^^ 09:34:11 <Arafangion> dihedral: And also worse. 09:35:49 <Arafangion> dihedral: Have you read 1984? 09:40:48 <Celestar> peter1138: did you give CBH any shot recently? 09:41:00 <peter1138> no 09:41:41 <Celestar> I've found my last attempt somewhere on disk :D 09:41:56 <Celestar> of course no one single hunk applies, but meh :P 09:42:29 <Celestar> but it still works with the assumption that it is prudent to divide MP_TUNNELBRIDGE into two tile types. 09:42:41 <Celestar> and I'm no longer sure that is valid :P 09:43:11 <peter1138> heh 09:43:28 <peter1138> indeed 09:43:33 <peter1138> custom tunnel heads! 09:43:38 <Celestar> well 09:43:58 <Celestar> actually I had a MP_RAILWAY_BRIDGE and MP_ROAD_BRIDGE :P 09:44:32 <peter1138> we've got aqueducts now as well 09:44:55 <Celestar> yeh, saw that. 09:45:07 <peter1138> they should have the treatment too 09:45:41 <Celestar> the advantage was that MP_RAILWAY_BRIDGE and MP_ROAD_BRIDGE basically were 1:1 copies of MP_RAILWAY and MP_ROAD with some extra bits set. 09:45:54 <Celestar> using the same handling functions 09:46:40 <Celestar> it removed a shitload of special handling code. 09:46:44 <Celestar> only. it failed at some point :P 09:49:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the vehicle_enter_tile functions need a z parameter 09:49:30 <Eddi|zuHause> then you can introduce "wormhole" tiles 09:49:53 <Eddi|zuHause> so the magic jumping from bridge head to bridge end can be removed 09:50:56 <Celestar> the problem is, when introducing MP_RAILWAY_BRIDGE, MP_ROAD_BRIDGE, MP_WATER_BRIDGE, MP_TUNNEL, we're running out of tile types soon :P 09:52:06 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe with michi_cc's attempt of stacking the rail/road tile on top of the bridge, this becomes obsolete 09:52:32 <Celestar> yah 09:52:54 <peter1138> indeed 09:54:01 <Celestar> indeed. 09:54:32 <peter1138> michi_cc, get to it! ;) 09:54:38 <Celestar> where's his patch :D 09:54:58 <Yexo> www.icosahedron.de/openttd/git/newmap.git 09:55:08 <Celestar> ta 09:55:10 <peter1138> new map array! :D 09:55:16 <Celestar> try #42 :D 09:55:26 <Eddi|zuHause> yanm! 09:55:35 <Celestar> lmao 09:55:38 <Eddi|zuHause> yama! 09:55:57 <Celestar> even better 09:56:06 <Eddi|zuHause> well, all his other patches start with ya :) 09:56:54 <Celestar> bah 09:57:00 <Celestar> sometimes I hate git :P 09:57:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i never got accustomed to git 10:03:18 <Celestar> he 10:03:24 <Celestar> I use it a lot locally. 10:07:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i found hg way more intuitive to use 10:07:55 <Celestar> that it is 10:08:46 <Eddi|zuHause> and whenever i asked anyone about "basic" git tutorials, they told me "you first have to know the internal structures"... no i do not. 10:09:03 <Celestar> haha 10:09:14 <peter1138> hm 10:09:22 <peter1138> git apparently got an overhaul at some point 10:09:31 <peter1138> it's a lot easier to use these days 10:09:43 <Celestar> yeah it is. 10:09:43 <peter1138> i dunno when, probably years ago :p 10:10:10 <Celestar> but still 10:10:20 <Celestar> the learning curve is .... a wall 10:10:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i only ever used git to bisect wine, but that was years ago as well 10:10:53 <Eddi|zuHause> at least these guys had a line by line tutorial how to do that 10:11:52 <Celestar> yeah 10:11:55 <Celestar> hm. 10:13:07 <z-MaTRiX> hi 10:13:24 <z-MaTRiX> openttd like anti-alias? 10:14:34 <Eddi|zuHause> z-MaTRiX hate verb? 10:14:51 <z-MaTRiX> :) 10:15:03 <z-MaTRiX> does openttd like anti-alias ? 10:15:14 <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause: Funny, I have the reverse thing with hg 10:15:41 <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause: So now you've pulled and have multiple heads, and need to merge them and then update your checkout and don't forget to commit, uh what?! 10:16:11 <Eddi|zuHause> blathijs: "hg rebase" 10:16:23 <planetmaker> :-) 10:16:54 <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause: It's probably because I learned git first 10:17:11 <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause: Though I still really like all of the stuff that's configured in a sane way on git by default 10:17:20 <blathijs> like running git log through a pager 10:17:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i found that very annoying 10:17:46 *** enr1x_ [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 10:17:56 <z-MaTRiX> let aa [] i=[];aa [a,b] i = if abs (intdif i) > (1/256) then (if (intdif i)>0 then [[fromIntegral (round a),fromIntegral (round b),1-intdif i],[fromIntegral (round a),fromIntegral (round (b)+1),intdif i]] else [[fromIntegral (round a),fromIntegral (round b),1+intdif i],[fromIntegral (round a),fromIntegral (round (b)-1),-intdif i]]) else [[fromIntegral (round a),fromIntegral (round b),1.0]] 10:17:57 <z-MaTRiX> let sqr f=f*f;doc r xy=sqrt((sqr(r))-(sqr(xy)));circlefirstoctant r = [aa [fromIntegral (round xy),fromIntegral (round (doc r xy))] (doc r xy) | xy <- [1.0,2.0 .. r/sqrt(2)]] 10:18:27 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.17] has joined #openttd 10:18:27 <z-MaTRiX> first octant of rasterized circle with AA 10:19:12 <peter1138> has anyone played with 32bpp-ez here? 10:19:29 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-167-53.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:34 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:46 <planetmaker> that long ago so that a 'yes' is lost in the course of time 10:19:48 <Eddi|zuHause> z-MaTRiX: when do you learn that spamming giant blobs of code is totally useless? 10:20:09 <peter1138> :) 10:20:47 <z-MaTRiX> its a small piece of code only 10:21:10 <Eddi|zuHause> z-MaTRiX: ever googled for "it takes only 3 commands to install gentoo"? 10:22:03 <z-MaTRiX> ./configure;make;make install; ? 10:22:59 *** Starhero [~ANONYMOUS@pool-173-72-40-104.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:23:01 *** enr1x_ [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:23:22 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:23:23 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:23:27 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 10:23:31 <Eddi|zuHause> z-MaTRiX: i mean this one: http://bash.org/?464385 10:24:10 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, the ... && vi blah && ... irritates me ;-) 10:24:33 <z-MaTRiX> aham cool i used to do one-liners too 10:26:18 <z-MaTRiX> why write a multiline script if it can be done in a single pipeline ? 10:26:33 <b_jonas> planetmaker: it also has an interactive invocation of cfdisk 10:27:19 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-018-119.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:27:25 <dihedral> tecnically it's not correct, because he/she/it concaternates way too many commands in order to call that '3 commands' :-P 10:27:37 <dihedral> perhaps 3 lines of bash - yes.. 10:28:13 <b_jonas> I still call it a one-liner when I type 500 characters long of a perl command in the bash command line 10:28:28 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 10:28:56 <z-MaTRiX> ; means line end btw 10:29:00 <z-MaTRiX> :P 10:29:51 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> larich.oftc.net quits: @orudge 10:32:07 * Celestar wonders why epiphany imports contacts from pidgin EVERY time 10:34:06 <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably been programmed by people like z-MaTRiX, who think that copying verbatim "examples" of code is a good way of programming 10:35:19 *** Netsplit over, joins: orudge 10:35:19 <z-MaTRiX> no, actually its in haskell and its an algorithm 10:35:38 <z-MaTRiX> haskell applies logic functions 10:35:46 <z-MaTRiX> using whatever methods 10:36:42 <z-MaTRiX> but still makes array of 5.6megapixels of circle data in 2 sec 10:42:22 * Celestar is bored. 10:42:28 <Celestar> friggen tests take ages. 10:43:19 <Celestar> because they borked the test framework too :P 10:45:47 <blathijs> Perhaps you should write performance tests for the test framework, while you're waiting ;-p 10:46:01 <planetmaker> :-P 10:46:21 <Celestar> blathijs: I have done so :P 10:46:57 <Celestar> test suite performance is down from 8 hours (whole set) to 62 hours (same amount and quality of tests) 10:47:31 <Celestar> that's a factor of 8 because the borked the API somewhere 10:47:31 <blathijs> That would be 62 minutes, I presume? :-) 10:47:34 <Celestar> ho. 10:47:36 <Celestar> HOURS. 10:47:56 <Celestar> which kinda makes testing a somewhat tedious task :P 10:47:58 <blathijs> Then I'm misreading your "down from" ? 10:48:08 <Celestar> performance down, time up .P 10:49:59 <Celestar> otoh. 10:50:40 <Celestar> my colleague next to me testing another app has it worse. The suppliers "unit tests" involve firing up an Oracle DB plus a full JBOSS application server. for each of the tests, and there are MANY of them. Most of which fail. 10:51:20 <b_jonas> have you ever ran the full testsuite of ghc or of gcc to completion? 10:51:32 <b_jonas> I think it's impossible 10:51:43 <Celestar> I'm pretty sure it doesn'T take roughly a week :P 10:51:57 <Celestar> (on a 64 CPU Itanium 2 HP Superdome) 10:53:38 <b_jonas> Celestar: those supercomputers don't actually help so much if your tests aren't much parallel 10:54:09 <Celestar> how can unit tests not be parallel. 10:57:18 <Eddi|zuHause> since unittests are generally independent from each other, you can just fire up 64 tests simultaneously 10:57:20 <peter1138> gah, fucking asus 10:57:29 <peter1138> trackpad stopped working on a laptop 10:57:43 <peter1138> and i said... it doesn't work, it's in linux, doing a recovery won't help 10:57:46 <peter1138> okay but you must do a recovery 10:57:55 <peter1138> so eventually i cede 10:58:01 <peter1138> boot up the recovery 10:58:03 <peter1138> and guess what 10:58:26 <peter1138> can't select an option because you can only select it with the trackpad, lol 10:58:39 <peter1138> tab just gives you back and cancel :P 10:59:16 <Celestar> rofl 10:59:54 <planetmaker> :-D 11:00:14 <blathijs> USB mouse? :-) 11:00:32 <Celestar> my Asus laptop was great, until it broke. Then life with asus started to suck badly. 11:00:36 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 11:01:40 <peter1138> yes, usb mouse works 11:01:45 <peter1138> but that's not the point :) 11:01:56 <peter1138> it's a 2 month old laptop, the trackpad should work, hehe 11:05:30 <Celestar> trackpads suck :P 11:05:39 <Celestar> I prefer nipples :P 11:05:49 <Celestar> errrr .. "trackpoints" 11:06:23 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 11:06:48 <Celestar> erm .. 11:06:53 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-018-119.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 11:06:59 <Celestar> "I have compressed my important files with md5sum. how do I decompress them ?" 11:07:04 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-018-119.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:07:20 <planetmaker> :-D 11:07:31 *** blotek [~blotek@afrm178.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 11:07:51 <Celestar> constant-length encryption anyone? 11:08:17 <b_jonas> I have compressed them with ln -sf world-peace-plan.zip world-peace-plan.doc 11:08:25 <b_jonas> -sf means to add to an archive, right? 11:08:32 <Celestar> "MD5sum: We compress all your files to 32 bytes" 11:09:17 <Noldo> :] 11:09:28 <b_jonas> Celestar: 32 bytes each or 32 bytes total? 11:09:42 <Noldo> total can be done too 11:09:48 <Celestar> b_jonas: doesn't matter, whatever youi want :P 11:12:28 <Celestar> we can compress your entire harddrive to a few bytes. 11:12:40 <Eddi|zuHause> just compress all files to 1 bit less, and do that recursively 11:12:45 <Celestar> 16 actually, not 32 :P 11:12:58 <Celestar> what's recursion :> 11:18:32 <Eddi|zuHause> to understand recursion you first have to understand recursion 11:20:55 <b_jonas> hmm, this seems wrong 11:21:00 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 11:21:37 <b_jonas> I've placed a station using the Rural stations newgrf, 11:21:54 <b_jonas> and there's a fence between the buffers for the two tracks 11:22:53 <b_jonas> only the buffers, not the main part of the station 11:25:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and what do you intend to do about it? 11:26:23 <b_jonas> first, I check if there's a newer version of the newgrf 11:27:14 <MNIM> b_jonas: this is caused by the newgrf, as the fence around the buffers is part of the station tile sprite. it doesn't check for it's own adjacent buffers 11:27:59 <b_jonas> MNIM: but it does remove the fence between the non-buffer platforms 11:28:30 <MNIM> I know. as for why the maker didn't do that with the buffers too, I have no idea 11:29:07 <MNIM> but that newgrf is /old/, and as far as Im aware there's no current development or newer versions available. 11:30:23 <peter1138> hmm, we don't have a codeblocks project do we? 11:32:32 <planetmaker> should we? 11:34:06 <Eddi|zuHause> we don't have lots of <buzzword> 11:34:32 <peter1138> no 11:34:41 <peter1138> just that if we did i could use it :p 11:38:48 <peter1138> probably easier to boot into linux 11:41:01 <TrueBrain> aahhhhhh ... just took the best dump ever. I feel zen now. 11:43:11 <__ln__> "As Greek politics grew ever more chaotic strong political protests erupted as the government moved to replace military chiefs with officers seen as more supportive of George Papandreou, the prime minister." 11:44:13 <TrueBrain> I asked our prime minister if he can have a referendum in my country, so we can vote against supporting Greece. Those fuckers want to vote if they want our support or not .. well .. take it or leave it :P 11:47:42 <planetmaker> it's also a vote about the imposed pre-conditions of the support. 11:47:53 <planetmaker> Thus the vote is actually a quite sane decision IMHO 11:48:31 <planetmaker> It's like Germany's Federal government would have to do a cut of more than 100 billion Euro 12:01:41 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:53 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:13:18 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: if it ever comes to that point, the world has other problems :p 12:14:24 <planetmaker> sure. But IMHO it nicely illustrates why it's quite reasonable to ask the populace whether that course of action is wanted 12:16:08 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: the german politicians are way too scared to ever let the population decide about _anything_ 12:16:15 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: such questions should not be left to the general public tbh; for that you have a gov in place ;) 12:16:26 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why we still have no constitution 12:16:29 <Celestar> I'm not sure I _want_ the population to decide some things. 12:16:50 <Celestar> *cough* Stuttgart 21 for example *cough* 12:17:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i finally want my A143!! 12:17:39 <TrueBrain> oeh, Call Of Duty MW3 is slowly leaking ... 12:17:42 * TrueBrain waits impatiently 12:21:22 <Eddi|zuHause> http://ptrace.fefe.de/spaghetti-incident.jpg <-- "don't read this blog with a full mouth" :p 12:23:42 <MNIM> ... 12:23:56 <MNIM> now I have done some horrible stuff to my PCs, but spaghetti? 12:24:18 <__ln__> poor lenovo 12:30:56 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-167-53.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:30:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:34:12 <peter1138> urgh 12:35:52 <Celestar> my comp refuses to download that :P 12:36:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Celestar: some kind of webfilter? 12:36:33 <Celestar> ewwwwwww 12:36:37 <Celestar> nah just a dropped conn :P 12:50:53 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-006-224.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 12:56:19 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 13:13:38 <Celestar> michi_cc: what is and what isn't already working with your map rewrite? 13:14:05 <Belugas> hello 13:14:19 <Celestar> yo Belugas 13:16:42 <Belugas> hi hi captain:) 13:20:50 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-3-22.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:26:53 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-167-53.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:36:32 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f471d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:43:20 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:946:5490:1ad1:3ad7] has joined #openttd 13:43:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:11:53 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 14:21:52 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-018-119.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 14:24:45 <Celestar> lalala 14:24:45 <Celestar> ping 14:24:51 <Eddi|zuHause> pong 14:25:07 <Celestar> good the line's not dead 14:35:57 <Celestar> What. The. Fuck. 14:36:38 <Celestar> me: "Could you give me a login to <host>?" - "Yeah, but we use ssh keys" - me "Fine I send you my key" - "Nono, we need to send YOU the key" 14:36:58 <__ln__> was that in soviet russia? 14:37:03 <Celestar> me: "What?" - "Yeah, we have only one key configured for login. We send the private key around to everyone who logs in" 14:37:25 <__ln__> sounds safe. 14:37:29 <Celestar> so ... he e-mailed me the private key O_o 14:37:33 <Celestar> WTS [clue] 14:37:39 <planetmaker> o_O 14:38:17 <TrueBrain> that is a new method I guess ... 14:38:18 <TrueBrain> for elite people 14:38:45 <glx> they are very smart indeed :) 14:38:56 <Celestar> apparently, maintaining 30 public keys is "too much effort" 14:39:13 <Rubidium> it's much safer, after all... there will only be one private key that can be comprised instead of 30 14:39:23 <Celestar> yeah :P 14:39:28 <Celestar> what's there to MAINTAIN? 14:39:38 <planetmaker> :-P 14:39:54 <glx> and you send the key back we they ask it ? 14:40:16 <__ln__> *ask for 14:40:36 <planetmaker> hehe ;-) 14:41:25 <glx> it's so hard to append a public key in a text file 14:41:35 <planetmaker> very hard 14:41:39 <frosch123> but the key is missing one leg 14:42:37 <TrueBrain> well, it is true, maintaining public keys is harder than sharing private keys 14:42:47 <TrueBrain> but if you share private keys ... just allow anonymous access :P 14:43:02 <glx> indeed it's not easy to remove a public key 14:43:20 <glx> (at least finding the one to remove) 14:45:42 <planetmaker> depends whether you added a small, trailing note whom it belongs to... 14:46:29 <Celestar> fact is, they're just nubs 14:47:01 <Celestar> and have nfi what they are talking bout 14:47:10 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/693/ <-- but even that key adding and removing can be simplified to adding or removing a file and calling that script ;-) 14:57:38 <peter1138> Celestar, i had similar with PGP :S 14:58:23 <Celestar> ... 14:58:37 <Celestar> why do most people not take pride in their friggen work? 15:03:26 <Celestar> bbl 15:03:35 *** Celestar [~dax@82.113.99.55] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:27:59 *** blotek [~blotek@afrm178.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:28:33 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:58:24 <Eddi|zuHause> my experience is that often the amount of pride people take in their work is antiproportional to the value of their work 16:33:37 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:50 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:39:40 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a9627.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:40:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48:11 *** Qantourisc [~Qantouris@78-22-225-157.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:48:22 <Qantourisc> Hello, I was reading about FIRS but i was confused 16:48:55 <planetmaker> can we un-confuse you? 16:49:05 <planetmaker> my best bet is: play with it ;-) 16:49:43 <Qantourisc> planetmaker: :) the supply station thing has me confused 16:49:57 <planetmaker> supply station? 16:50:09 <Qantourisc> aaa 16:50:11 <Qantourisc> i think i get it now 16:50:19 <Qantourisc> "The FIRS manual suggests using transfer orders to deliver engineering or farm supplies a few at a time in smaller vehicles." 16:50:27 <Qantourisc> so frequent delivery 16:50:28 <planetmaker> ah. That. Yes 16:50:38 <Qantourisc> what intreges me more: 16:50:42 <Qantourisc> "manual" ? where :) 16:50:54 <planetmaker> the idea is: bring supplies to an area in a train (=large volume) to a station. That station must not accept those supplies 16:50:55 <Qantourisc> also firs the best ? or are there better ? 16:51:10 <planetmaker> use transfer orders. And then vehicles to deliver small amounts to the industries nearby 16:51:25 <Qantourisc> yes, i get it now 16:51:33 <Qantourisc> i just didn't understand why yet 16:52:02 <planetmaker> primary industries only have a chance to increase production, if they get supplies 16:52:17 <planetmaker> delivering small amounts gives you that chance for more industries and more months 16:52:26 <planetmaker> as supplies are usually not that abundant 16:53:35 <Qantourisc> aa there is also ecs 16:54:20 <Qantourisc> You can't combine them i quess ? :) 16:54:28 <planetmaker> you can't. indeed 16:54:40 <Qantourisc> where is the docu on firs ? 16:54:58 <planetmaker> the wiki page you probably already found 16:55:11 <planetmaker> ecs has a MUCH more extensive docu 16:55:30 <planetmaker> but... most things you also get by looking at the industry chain ingame 16:55:34 <Qantourisc> witch one has the most complex game ? :) 16:55:38 <Qantourisc> a ok 16:55:40 <Qantourisc> i'll do that 16:55:44 <planetmaker> equal but different 16:57:20 <Qantourisc> a ok 16:57:24 <Qantourisc> then i'll play them both :) 16:58:35 <Qantourisc> dam fics backlinks :) 16:58:49 <Qantourisc> witch is good :) 17:02:45 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 310/7 17:02:45 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 44.2857142857 17:14:09 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 17:21:14 *** DayDreamer1 [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:21:39 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B746E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22:27 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B746E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:25:55 *** DayDreamer2 [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:26:25 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:29:18 *** DayDreamer1 [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:46 <Qantourisc> How do you get rid of ghost stations ? 17:39:58 <Qantourisc> ow ok it disapears by itself 17:41:19 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:43:41 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-018-119.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:44:04 * Rubidium wonders where software is built from if it isn't build from (some sort of) code 17:46:55 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: cubicals? 17:47:04 <Qantourisc> planetmaker: what do i need to load petrol ? 17:47:39 <planetmaker> a wagon / vehicle / ship /aircraft which allows to be refitted to petrol 17:48:05 <planetmaker> i.e. the default vehicles won't allow that, unfortunately 17:48:53 <planetmaker> if you don't want too many other changes, I recommend to use ogfx+trains, ogfx+road vehicles and fish (as ships) 17:49:47 <Rubidium> what? not ogfx+ships? ;) 17:51:37 <planetmaker> :-) That's recommended, too, of course 17:51:52 <planetmaker> in 2014 or so ;-) 17:54:37 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@vpn91.ext.espci.fr] has joined #openttd 18:06:52 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 18:09:04 <Qantourisc> planetmaker: i need ofdx stuff then ? 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19:33:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:34:14 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:36:00 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-30-186.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:45:45 <andythenorth> was there a conclusive answer on whether I should use cb15 or cb36 for capacity? 19:46:02 <andythenorth> both seem to be defective 19:46:53 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: in CETS we use CB15 and set our own multiplicators 19:47:06 <andythenorth> so you keep a list of all known cargos? 19:47:13 <andythenorth> and you detect which set is defining them? 19:47:24 <andythenorth> and how the author has chosen to set cargo mutliplier? 19:47:42 <Eddi|zuHause> no, we just randomly set some :) 19:47:42 <andythenorth> :o 19:47:50 <andythenorth> so you have mailbags that change weight? 19:48:14 <Eddi|zuHause> currently we have multiplicator *4 for mail, *2 for goods, and /2 for tourists 19:48:43 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe we also do /2 or /4 for ENSP 19:48:51 <Eddi|zuHause> or /3 19:48:56 <andythenorth> but in some cases mail is *2 19:49:09 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but imho that's too low 19:49:11 <andythenorth> you've basically chosen to ignore the mess :P 19:49:14 <andythenorth> or add to it :P 19:49:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yes :) 19:49:29 <andythenorth> it's a mess 19:49:29 <andythenorth> I wish I could fix it 19:49:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i find it annoying to have more than one mail carriage per train 19:54:22 <andythenorth> so how much does 1t of mailbags weigh in your set? 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