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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 00:18:56 <z-MaTRiX> jrx 00:18:58 <z-MaTRiX> heyho 00:20:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B478.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:37:58 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-190-31.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:37:59 <Wolf01> 'night 00:38:02 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:47:59 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-179.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 00:48:08 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-179.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:48:25 *** ptr_ [~peter@c-5eeaaa39-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #openttd 00:49:32 *** ptr_ [~peter@c-5eeaaa39-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:49:37 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-179.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 00:57:50 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-26-158-86.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:09:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73BCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:13:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B751E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:18:48 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-179.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 01:19:17 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.210.119] has joined #openttd 01:24:47 <Eddi|zuHause> hmzz... 01:24:49 <Eddi|zuHause> 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 001 001 051 Pre-fail Always FAILING_NOW 4867 01:27:54 <glx> seems bad 01:35:53 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not hugely important data on there, but that's my router/download-box hdd 01:36:16 <Eddi|zuHause> and i'm not sure if i have a small enough hdd to replace it 01:36:38 <__ln__> how small? 01:36:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f74e2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:36:57 <Eddi|zuHause> it's currently 120GB, i think. doesn't make a lot of sense to put a 500GB-2TB hdd in there. 01:38:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i might have some old 40GB disks, but i'm not sure if they're already bad 01:40:58 <Eddi|zuHause> PS: it's not quite useful to have a headless box display a mexxage "press F1 to continue" on SMART-failure 01:41:41 <__ln__> usually there's a "halt on no errors" setting in bios 01:42:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i was under the impression i set that 01:43:03 <Eddi|zuHause> but i disabled smart in bios now, so it should avoid that anyway 01:46:45 <z-MaTRiX> :) 01:47:06 <z-MaTRiX> http://matrix.z-labor.com/tmp/C/sdltest_circle3.c 01:47:14 <z-MaTRiX> heres my example of drawing a simple line 01:47:28 <z-MaTRiX> *circle 01:48:02 <z-MaTRiX> line is still to be cleaned up 01:48:54 <__ln__> indentation is missing 01:49:19 *** hanf [~Klaus@host-89-241-78-162.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:49:35 <z-MaTRiX> :( 01:49:39 <z-MaTRiX> will look after that 01:50:08 <z-MaTRiX> (oh and it has unix lineends) 01:50:23 <__ln__> it's suboptimal to calculate sqrt(2) in the loop condition, because it obviously doesn't change. 01:50:43 <z-MaTRiX> hmm well yes 01:53:50 <z-MaTRiX> actually r/sqrt(2) is constant too 01:53:59 <z-MaTRiX> will fix that 01:54:05 <__ln__> i have an unused 1TB disk which i don't dare use for anything important although it appears to work fine 01:54:22 <z-MaTRiX> and whats the problem with it? 01:56:23 <__ln__> once, though only once, i had severe problems with reading data from it, and i thought i'm actually going to lose a bunch of photos and other irreplaceable stuff. but next day, when i ran dd_rescue on it, everything worked flawlessly again. 01:57:28 <Eddi|zuHause> 1TB is still overkill for that box 01:57:50 <z-MaTRiX> type? 01:58:03 <z-MaTRiX> if mayt0r then it will die soon 01:58:18 <__ln__> the disk reports zero bad sectors, but running the long smart test always just stops at 20%. 01:58:55 <__ln__> it's a samsung 02:00:13 <Eddi|zuHause> WDC WD1200BB-00DAA1 02:01:03 <Eddi|zuHause> served me well over the past almost-a-decade 02:01:25 <Eddi|zuHause> might be 2004-ish 02:01:31 <z-MaTRiX> hmm 02:01:34 <z-MaTRiX> well... 02:01:48 <z-MaTRiX> it lloks like it has reached the theshold then 02:01:52 <z-MaTRiX> *threashold 02:01:56 <z-MaTRiX> threshold 02:01:57 <z-MaTRiX> nah 02:02:12 <z-MaTRiX> so bits are rotting now 02:02:19 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@99-73-209-18.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 02:03:25 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: btw, are you in a need of ide or sata disk? 02:03:47 <Eddi|zuHause> either is fine 02:03:55 <z-MaTRiX> i have bought a hitachi 500GB recently 02:04:08 <z-MaTRiX> hitachi has the leading-edge technology since 2009 02:04:34 <z-MaTRiX> a more correct and stable solution of disc magnetizing method 02:04:45 <z-MaTRiX> plus advanced materials 02:05:07 <__ln__> "Western Digital to Acquire Hitachi Global Storage Technologies." 02:05:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i really doubt there's actually that much difference 02:05:57 <Eddi|zuHause> and HDD prices skyrocketed in the past few weeks 02:09:08 <__ln__> so they say 02:10:27 <Eddi|zuHause> it's said that the prices are now totally overvalued. the actual production pause only warranted like a 10% increase, but they increased like over 100% 02:10:35 <Eddi|zuHause> like 02:11:45 <__ln__> if one can increase the price of a product by 100% and people still buy it, then it would be stupid not to. 02:12:24 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what they did with fuel 02:13:52 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a weird weekly change in fuel prices that i don't really understand 02:14:25 <Eddi|zuHause> fuel is most expensive on thursdays, and cheapest on sunday 02:14:42 <Eddi|zuHause> by a margin of around 5¢ 02:18:02 <__ln__> i also seem to have an unused 120GB ide disk, which isn't failing afaik 02:18:25 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-26-158-86.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 02:18:28 <__ln__> unused as in "not in active use", not "brand new" 02:19:41 <Eddi|zuHause> or i opt for a brandnew low-power system with like a 40GB SSD 02:20:43 <__ln__> at some point SSDs were not actually lower-power than HDDs, but that may have changed 02:21:50 <Eddi|zuHause> but i'm sure there are more low-power systems than a 7 year old athlon-1GHz 02:22:17 <Eddi|zuHause> or 1.3GHz 02:22:18 <Eddi|zuHause> or something like that 02:23:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.190.117] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:23:58 <__ln__> my 1.2GHz ARM system consumes 7W (plus HDD's power) 02:28:38 *** Biolunar_ [mahdi@blfd-5d8205df.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:13 <z-MaTRiX> also note that newer hdds usually 80-120GB and up has FSB (fluid dynamic bearings) 02:31:16 <z-MaTRiX> *FSB 02:31:20 <z-MaTRiX> ;/ 02:31:29 <z-MaTRiX> s/FSB/FDB/ 02:35:33 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 02:35:36 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db1b663.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:39:05 *** Pulec|MCM [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 02:42:12 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:46:23 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.210.119] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:53:55 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:49c6:8c73:50c3:1d9a] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:05:10 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-26-158-86.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:33:15 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE0026f3a304e2-CM0026f3a304de.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Snail_] 04:01:47 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-26-158-86.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 04:24:15 *** Pulec|MCM [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 04:32:48 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-26-158-86.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 05:23:59 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 05:32:53 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 7.0.1/20110928224508]] 05:54:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B751E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:54:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B736CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:02:01 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p549466E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 06:32:00 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-120-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 06:34:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:44:29 <andythenorth> oh dear 06:44:48 <andythenorth> is that a town growth patch? :P 06:45:34 <andythenorth> or is that goals? 06:46:56 <Rubidium> morning andy 06:47:54 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 06:49:56 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 06:50:17 <andythenorth> hola 06:50:47 *** Guest17375 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:51:12 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/alpha.png <- not quite sure of the quality of those characters yet 06:53:37 <andythenorth> the caps N is a bit funky 06:53:56 <andythenorth> all of the caps seem a bit fuzzy 06:54:21 <andythenorth> (upper caps) 06:55:03 <andythenorth> also the upper caps are smaller than the lower caps ? 06:57:53 <Rubidium> andythenorth: yes, otherwise the ones with diatrics would go outside of their boxes :( 06:58:01 <andythenorth> ah 06:59:00 <andythenorth> that is challenging... 07:13:20 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 07:25:38 <dihedral> looks like some beta or rc is about to pop out of the ground 07:27:03 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/heh.png <- it doesn't even look totally horrid in-game ;) 07:27:20 <Rubidium> though it did with the smaller capitals :( 07:28:25 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-205-069.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:30:32 <planetmaker> moin 07:40:53 <Rubidium> hi planetmaker 07:42:02 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 07:46:07 <dihedral> greetings :-) 08:10:22 <Terkhen> good morning 08:16:43 <planetmaker> hm, I see mono-spaced letters here somewhere :-) 08:28:20 <Rubidium> where? what am I missing? :) 08:38:39 <andythenorth> Rubidium: looks ok 08:38:47 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:38:50 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 08:38:50 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-177-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:39:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B736CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:39:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B736CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:41:21 <andythenorth> hmm 08:41:27 <andythenorth> Vehicles in vehicles! 08:41:36 <andythenorth> 3 tile locks are annoying! 08:41:39 <andythenorth> Ship smoke! 08:41:45 <andythenorth> ^^ my work is done 08:41:49 * andythenorth is going out 08:41:52 <andythenorth> ;) 08:41:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:46:48 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:53:48 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:15:27 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:22:47 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-179.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 09:30:51 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@95.154.197.17] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:43:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D523.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:58:56 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-26-158-86.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:17:54 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:20:25 *** appe_ [appe@noskapin.krot.se] has joined #openttd 10:23:25 *** appe [appe@noskapin.krot.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:27:10 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 10:27:46 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-26-158-86.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 10:28:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:30:45 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-190-31.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 10:59:44 *** Biolunar_ [mahdi@blfd-5d8205df.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 11:03:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:35:10 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-28-81-182.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 11:36:05 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@95.154.197.17] has joined #openttd 11:40:31 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.210.119] has joined #openttd 11:41:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C338.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:01:17 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:07:06 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5003.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:13:37 <andythenorth> quak 12:14:28 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest17591 12:14:28 *** andythenorth_ [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:14:28 *** Guest17591 [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:14:28 *** andythenorth_ is now known as andythenorth 12:14:37 <frosch123> moin 12:27:12 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:27:42 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:27:58 <Wolf01> hello 12:28:37 <Arafangion> *cough* 12:39:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 12:39:43 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23260 /trunk/media/extra_grf/chars.nfo: -Codechange: abstract away some NFO by macros 12:39:56 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:40:38 <appe_> quark 12:41:07 <TrueBrain> I am more thinking neutrinos 12:46:11 <appe_> what about muons? 12:48:08 <TrueBrain> never liked them 12:53:55 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=152519 <-- is it just me or are those graphics twisted? 12:54:34 <appe_> where? 12:54:39 <appe_> oh 12:54:41 <appe_> the train tracks? 12:54:41 <appe_> :D 12:55:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, those 12:58:41 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: that is a special cheat to move trains faster 12:59:41 *** Rezt [~Rezt@81-178-195-188.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 12:59:48 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@2.65.217.179.mobile.tre.se] has joined #openttd 13:04:53 <Zuu_> This NoGo looks interesing. Does it use Squirrel for scripting? 13:04:55 <Eddi|zuHause> "if there are no tracks, they will have no option other than to fly, and flying is faster"? 13:05:12 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 13:10:02 <frosch123> Zuu_: yes 13:10:16 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: it's a special bitcode 13:11:12 <andythenorth> meh 13:11:26 * andythenorth has to paint boats and can't play any NoGo 13:13:04 <Zuu_> Cool. I have been thinking a bit on having my airport work as a starting ground to get into applying squirrel to tutorial or goals, but currently I've turned my attention to other projects. 13:13:36 <frosch123> hmm, nogo might actually work for tutorials 13:14:49 <Zuu_> I can't wait to take a look at the implementation when a get to a PC tomorrow. 13:16:13 <Zuu_> I asserted it can be found by looking around a bit :-) 13:16:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 13:16:20 <Zuu_> I assume* 13:18:26 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc12-linl7-2-0-cust144.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:19:44 <frosch123> in the usual place, yes, but not the current script 13:24:39 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: if I length adjust these new trams will they still fit in n tiles (I can't remember value of n, but it was one of your design goals) 13:25:03 <andythenorth> (it's straightforward solution otherwise) 13:25:38 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: no, they will get longer 13:25:52 <andythenorth> does that bother you? I'm not concerned 13:25:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i can check how much, if you have more detailed design 13:26:29 <andythenorth> if you drop me the link to the ascii scheme for the existing trams I'll look... 13:29:14 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-052-151.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 13:29:16 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d02:26f5:e4dc:5a87] has joined #openttd 13:29:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:42:10 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p54946BB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:47:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.163.165] has joined #openttd 13:47:48 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@2.65.217.179.mobile.tre.se] has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:48:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr2 [~Flex@i59F6B2C1.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:53:48 <appe_> http://wimp.com/diabolicalgirl/ 13:54:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C338.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:54:12 <appe_> this video describes my feeling while clearing a city with the magical bulldozer. 13:55:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.163.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:01:37 <peter1138> :) 14:08:22 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-236.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:20:23 <Eddi|zuHause> why does kate not offer IBM437 encoding, only IBM850? 14:20:59 <Alberth> 437 was sold out :p 14:25:14 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:25:34 <peter1138> who? 14:29:25 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:40:40 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@95.154.197.17] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42:34 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-052-151.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:54 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-056-096.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 14:47:20 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@95.154.197.17] has joined #openttd 14:53:21 *** mib_vo4odo [bce8e78a@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:53:50 *** mib_vo4odo [bce8e78a@ircip4.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 14:57:59 *** MazurHadr [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:58:17 *** MazurHadr [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:11 *** hanf [~Klaus@host-78-146-187-199.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 15:22:25 *** Rezt [~Rezt@81-178-195-188.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 15:30:14 <TomyLobo> is there any easy way to upgrade all trains to maglev? 15:30:33 <TrueBrain> sell & buy :D 15:31:08 <TomyLobo> i could imagine a patch that allows setting up replacements not only between rails and electric rails but between all types 15:31:15 <TomyLobo> and then just upgrading the depot 15:32:23 <planetmaker> use the universal railtype newgrf in your games 15:32:32 <planetmaker> or your obvious imagination to write that patch 15:32:41 <TomyLobo> :D 15:33:09 <TomyLobo> so no one has had that idea before? 15:33:33 <planetmaker> many people have had 15:33:43 <planetmaker> no-one found it interesting enough to write a patch 15:33:48 <TomyLobo> dang 15:36:43 <glx> only patch I remember was autoconvert train when converting rails, but that's ugly 15:37:20 <planetmaker> as said: there's the universal railtype newgrf. Which allows you exactly that 15:37:33 <planetmaker> As such I'd argue a need for that patch is even not existent anymore 15:39:53 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23261 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (49 files): -Codechange: Squirrel glue templates were not inline (tnx to michi_cc) 15:41:03 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23262 /trunk/src/ai/ (ai_instance.cpp api/squirrel_export.sh): -Fix: one annoying typo in a squirrel_export marker line 15:48:33 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23263 /trunk/src/script/ (script_info.cpp squirrel.cpp squirrel_class.hpp): -Documentation: stop naming AI in comments in script/ files; it makes no sense 15:49:44 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23264 /trunk/src/script/squirrel.hpp: -Fix (r23263): save before commit 15:51:54 *** SystemParadox [~simon@proxima.systemparadox.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:59:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:01:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-69-0-3.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:01:31 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> no-one found it interesting enough to write a patch <-- actually i believe there was a patch already 16:01:46 <Eddi|zuHause> one that allowed upgrading depots with trains inside 16:01:55 <Eddi|zuHause> and then not allowing to start incompatible trains 16:14:06 *** SystemParadox [~simon@proxima.systemparadox.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-69-0-3.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:40:02 * appe_ is really bored 16:44:37 <appe_> bah 16:44:47 <appe_> i wish to try some new industry set 16:44:52 <appe_> got tip? :) 16:47:09 * appe_ tries CHIPS 0.5 16:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause> that is no industry set 16:54:45 <appe_> i know 16:57:20 <Eddi|zuHause> how do i get a specific branch from a git repo? 17:05:10 *** DanMacK [DanMacK@CPE602ad06dd335-CM602ad06dd332.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 17:05:39 <DanMacK> Hey all 17:07:11 <Alberth> hi 17:07:19 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-26-158-86.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:08:24 *** DanMacK [DanMacK@CPE602ad06dd335-CM602ad06dd332.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 17:09:08 <appe_> planetmaker: i noticed you was in on creating the CHIPS grf. 17:09:27 <appe_> planetmaker: its neat :) 17:10:08 <andythenorth> they seek him here, they seek him there, they seek DanMacK everywhere 17:16:04 <frosch123> appe_: pm is involved in basically every grf on the devzone :p 17:19:39 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8205df.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:22:03 <appe_> oh, haha 17:22:33 <appe_> uhm, i cant seem to be able to set a dredging site as a destination 17:22:38 <appe_> with a cargo boat 17:22:45 <appe_> what am i doing wrong? :) 17:23:03 <appe_> oh, never mind. 17:23:37 <andythenorth> click on the green bouy 17:39:01 *** DanMacK [DanMacK@CPE602ad06dd335-CM602ad06dd332.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 17:41:01 <DanMacK> Back, hey all 17:41:06 * DanMacK slaps andythenorth around a bit with a large trout 17:45:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr2 [~Flex@i59F6B2C1.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:13 <b_jonas> and then you must cut down the largest tree of the forest⊠with this herring 18:02:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6B2C1.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:03:53 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.32.29.238] has joined #openttd 18:04:01 *** sla_ro|vista [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 18:04:45 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:07:59 <Eddi|zuHause> you use herrings to fix tents, not cut trees... 18:10:41 <z-MaTRiX> Save the trees, eat beavers! 18:15:25 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-26-158-86.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:43 <andythenorth> meh 18:15:47 <andythenorth> it's too quiet 18:15:52 <andythenorth> ottd must be dying 18:16:26 <z-MaTRiX> maybe new users don't like the limitations 18:17:13 <z-MaTRiX> and maybe the new "feature" should be default disabled 18:17:57 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-86-27-37-181.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:18:06 <Eddi|zuHause> what? you don't like the new feature of newgrfs allowing turing around in the depot? 18:18:26 <andythenorth> there's a new feature :O 18:18:29 <andythenorth> where? 18:18:32 * andythenorth must try it 18:18:38 <z-MaTRiX> like limiting land construction rate 18:18:56 <z-MaTRiX> or amount 18:19:12 <andythenorth> this FIRS set looks quite nice. Maybe I'll try it 18:19:32 <Alberth> andythenorth: look out, it is not finished yet :) 18:19:49 <andythenorth> is it open source? Can I contribute? 18:19:53 <V453000> :D 18:20:06 <Alberth> submit a patch, maybe the author likes it 18:21:17 <andythenorth> I heard it's abandoned? Or that the authors are idiots? 18:21:52 <Alberth> that's sad news :( 18:22:05 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-86-27-37-181.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 18:22:07 <andythenorth> it was only a rumour :) 18:22:18 <andythenorth> no idea if it's true 18:22:42 <andythenorth> at least one of the authors has jumped ship to a project involving boats :P 18:23:14 <Alberth> he seems to draw everything he can think of :) 18:23:46 * andythenorth contemplates a railtypes grf 18:24:39 <andythenorth> Alberth: perhaps now is a good time to discuss groups? As it's quiet... 18:24:48 <andythenorth> ...less chance of a kitchen sink spec 18:25:00 <andythenorth> i.e. one that has to accommodate every desire :P 18:25:37 <Alberth> my own desire is to first introduce consists into the game 18:26:11 <andythenorth> I think groups and consists should be firmly decoupled 18:26:22 <andythenorth> otherwise it becomes unsolvable 18:26:37 <andythenorth> current groups is a bit 'meh' but it works 18:26:41 <Alberth> groups are a layer on top of consists, I think 18:26:55 <andythenorth> 'consist' sounds like the most important entity 18:27:01 * andythenorth has an ontology obsession at the moment 18:27:16 <andythenorth> too many spec wars seem to be not because of requirements, but because of piss-poor ontology 18:27:25 <Alberth> perhaps the bug is that autoreplace is not embedded in groups 18:27:47 <andythenorth> groups work for me 18:27:48 <Alberth> which causes a lot of confusing discussion 18:28:00 <andythenorth> groups are just a bit labour intensive, you don't gain much from them 18:28:19 <Alberth> yeah, I never understood their point tbh 18:28:21 * frosch123 uses groups somewhat ad-hoc 18:28:35 <andythenorth> so consists are quite a defined problem 18:28:45 <frosch123> i want to autoreplace some vehicles, drop them in a group, and set the replace 18:28:48 <andythenorth> yup 18:28:56 <andythenorth> I have 1 group for replacing basically 18:29:00 <frosch123> so, actually i only use "temporary" groups :p 18:29:02 <andythenorth> then clear it when I'm done 18:29:08 <andythenorth> +1 18:29:38 <frosch123> except when i already know the grf, then i sometimes set up groups in advanced. for vehicles i know i want to replace later 18:29:46 <Alberth> consists are probably much more interesting in context of autoreplace 18:29:57 <andythenorth> so consists are quite simply conceptually 18:30:15 <frosch123> e.g. in my last games i started setting up groups like "flat", "heavy", "steep", to assign cheap or strong engines to them 18:30:16 <andythenorth> any consist (train etc) subscribes to or inherits from a master consist 18:30:32 <andythenorth> then there are some gui decisions about how to make a mental model of that for the user 18:30:40 <Alberth> yeah, they just need to be inserted deep down in the vehicle code :) 18:32:14 * Alberth goes reading about groups 18:41:23 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23265 /trunk/src/ (fontcache.cpp fontcache.h strings.cpp strings_func.h): -Codechange: replace the setfallbackfont callback function with a class to call back 18:43:52 *** travels [~travels@99-185-39-47.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 18:44:00 <travels> i got a question 18:44:11 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r23266 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:44:11 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:44:11 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: belarusian - 8 changes by Wowanxm 18:44:11 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: french - 12 changes by glx 18:44:11 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: german - 4 changes by planetmaker 18:44:13 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: italian - 12 changes by lorenzodv 18:44:13 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: russian - 6 changes by akasoft 18:44:32 <travels> now i got 2 questions 18:45:02 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-85-217.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:45:32 <travels> #1 what was that log for and #2 Does OpenTTD use GoldSrc engine because i went to saves folder and the icons show the Half-Life 1 icon 18:45:53 <frosch123> #2 no 18:46:16 <frosch123> #1 that log appears daily at 19:45 amsterdam time 18:46:53 <Rubidium> that just tells something about the changes being made to OpenTTD's sources 18:47:00 <travels> wait wtf its actually the HL2 icon, but i dont have Hl2 18:47:20 <travels> oh wait i have TF2 18:47:34 <travels> so does OpenTDD use Source? 18:48:07 <frosch123> no 18:48:15 <frosch123> it just uses .sav as file extension 18:48:26 <frosch123> the rest is your os making bold assumptions 18:48:31 <travels> i wonder what would happen if i open them 18:48:40 <travels> (double click) 18:51:14 <travels> Setup file 'gameinfo.txt' doesn't exist in subdirectory 'hl2'. Check your -game paramenter or VCONFIG setting. 18:51:30 <Alberth> lol 18:51:47 <travels> i shall add the parameter! 18:52:03 <travels> whats the paramenter for TF2? 18:52:25 <Alberth> tbh, what you are seeing and doing makes no sense at all to me 18:52:32 <Rubidium> -youstupidtf2thisisnotasavegamethatyouareintendedtounderstand 18:52:39 <travels> i know 18:52:46 <travels> im curious what would happen 18:53:06 <travels> im trying to run a OpenTTD save in TF2, and see what would happen 18:53:41 <Alberth> oh, nothing useful will happen 18:53:54 <travels> ok, so its tf 18:54:07 <frosch123> you should try to hack 127.0.0.1 18:54:38 <Alberth> no, it is your os that thinks that .sav is a file of tf2, which is not true 18:54:44 <travels> i now 18:54:46 <travels> know 18:55:18 <travels> ok i do not know how to add command line arguements 18:55:38 <travels> ill just change the open with to OpenTTD 18:56:22 <travels> wait HL1 also use .sav, so ill open a HL1 save in OpenTTD and a OpenTTD save in HL1 18:56:37 <Eddi|zuHause> that will likely not work either 18:57:30 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-86-27-37-181.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:58:34 <travels> i dont think i made a saved game in HL1 yet 18:59:25 <travels> yep never made a HL save yet 19:00:30 <Xaroth> frosch123: should be much better now. 19:01:33 <travels> file does not show up in load game 19:02:11 <travels> now ill change the open with file to openTTD 19:02:49 <travels> experiment success 19:03:35 <Alberth> just start openttd, and load it from the game UI 19:03:51 <travels> i knos 19:03:53 <travels> know 19:04:07 <travels> now its time to play in this Japan scenario i found 19:04:58 <andythenorth> hmm 19:05:02 * andythenorth ponders 19:05:14 <travels> is it bad if i put land in Tokyo Bay? 19:06:31 * travels watches trains 19:09:27 <Alberth> Xaroth: what revision? 19:09:36 <Xaroth> h22c2b173-nogo 19:09:43 <Alberth> ok, thanks 19:09:44 <Xaroth> http://master.binaries.openttd.org/custom/nogo/h22c2b173-nogo/index.html 19:11:10 <travels> i want to get the 32pbb texture set, last time i tried, quite awhile ago, i failed horribly 19:12:54 * Alberth never bothered trying that 19:13:27 <Xaroth> frosch123: i got the latest version of the script from tb 19:16:46 <travels> 2011-06-15 19:17:32 <Xaroth> frosch123: I think tb brokes it :P 19:19:23 <Eddi|zuHause> <travels> is it bad if i put land in Tokyo Bay? <-- isn't that what they're actually doing there? 19:21:26 <Alberth> but they build an airport on it :p 19:21:58 <travels> i build a railway 19:22:35 <travels> built 19:22:55 <travels> i have no idea how to install the 32bpp pack 19:28:35 *** travels [~travels@99-185-39-47.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 19:37:55 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.32.29.238] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 19:39:57 <TomyLobo> do coal mines ever disappear? 19:41:05 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 19:43:38 <TomyLobo> i've had this coal mine for almost a hundred years now 19:43:54 <TomyLobo> not servicing it 19:44:14 <appe_> "meanwhile in sweden" 19:44:36 <appe_> two guys are playing beach tennis in their underwear while drunk people cheer them, out in the street 19:45:45 <Eddi|zuHause> as long as you're actually moving, it's pretty warm :) 19:56:08 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:56:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:57:15 *** DanMacK [DanMacK@CPE602ad06dd335-CM602ad06dd332.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:49 *** notsure [~notsure@31-151-104-170.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #openttd 20:05:38 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 20:07:12 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest17618 20:07:12 *** andythenorth_ [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:07:12 *** andythenorth_ is now known as andythenorth 20:08:17 *** Guest17618 [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10:33 *** DanMacK [DanMacK@CPE602ad06dd335-CM602ad06dd332.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 20:16:48 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:27:42 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:35:03 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~turbulent@cpc12-linl7-2-0-cust144.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:45:22 <andythenorth> DanMacK: ygm 21:00:59 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23267 /trunk/src/ (fontcache.cpp strings.cpp strings_func.h): -Codechange: unify the font name setting of the font cache 21:07:10 <Terkhen> hi 21:08:14 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23268 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: -Fix (r23267): compilation failed on Windows 21:09:17 <andythenorth> hi Terkhen 21:09:28 <andythenorth> did you move yet? 21:11:27 <Terkhen> nope, tomorrow 21:12:23 <andythenorth> ho, we gained changelog field for newgrfs :) 21:19:06 <Xaroth> Terkhen: so you got one more day to play NoGo? :P 21:19:35 <Terkhen> nah, I'll spend it checking the things I'm going to take 21:20:05 <andythenorth> I tried NoGo 21:20:10 <andythenorth> but it's a NoGo :P 21:20:13 <Xaroth> andythenorth: play online. 21:20:32 <Xaroth> I set up 2 servers for people to try it 21:21:00 <andythenorth> I tried one of them :) 21:21:03 <andythenorth> nobody there ;) 21:21:20 <andythenorth> I kind of want to know what can be scripted, but I couldn't find a repo or docs yet 21:21:31 <Xaroth> try the other one 21:21:32 <Xaroth> people there 21:21:45 <andythenorth> what's it called? 21:21:51 <Xaroth> Xaroth.nl NoGo1 21:22:14 * andythenorth wishes multiplayer list could be filtered 21:22:27 <Xaroth> they can? 21:22:42 * andythenorth is too lazy for multiplayer ;) 21:23:07 <andythenorth> hmm 21:23:36 <andythenorth> Xaroth: so this is town growth goals? 21:23:42 <Terkhen> yes 21:23:42 <Xaroth> yes 21:23:57 <andythenorth> are there any bigger goals for the map? 21:24:13 <Xaroth> not yet 21:24:28 *** DanMacK [DanMacK@CPE602ad06dd335-CM602ad06dd332.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:41 <andythenorth> k 21:25:09 <andythenorth> can I put ice in beer if it's not cold? 21:26:24 <z-MaTRiX> yes 21:26:42 <z-MaTRiX> but if it has already frozen then it will not sink in it 21:29:13 <Rubidium> I see no physical reason why that can't be done 21:31:08 <appe_> good news everyone! 21:31:33 <appe_> today, you will be delivering coal from puddingwell mines to huntington falls! 21:33:41 <Terkhen> or maybe I will be sleeping 21:33:43 <Terkhen> good night 21:33:46 <Xaroth> nn 21:46:24 <Eddi|zuHause> you might get frozen water to sink in frozen beer by means of quantum tunneling :) 21:47:37 <planetmaker> good evening :-) 21:47:43 <Xaroth> yo pm 21:47:48 <planetmaker> appe_: I'd not dare take any credit in CHIPS 21:48:03 <planetmaker> it's not my work - though I quite love the NewGRF 21:48:31 <andythenorth> CHIPS is so simple :) 21:48:39 <andythenorth> although it's also not :) 21:48:44 <andythenorth> most of the credit is Yexo 21:50:06 <Xaroth> pm: we're doing coop stuffs on nogo1, you in? 21:50:48 <planetmaker> yup. New binary? 21:50:53 <Xaroth> yup 21:51:01 <Xaroth> with trams 21:51:04 <Xaroth> and your rail set 21:51:17 <planetmaker> sweet :-) 21:51:20 <planetmaker> same server? 21:51:26 <Xaroth> it's advertised 21:51:29 <V453000> mayhem? :D 21:51:58 <Xaroth> filter on nogo in name 21:52:18 <planetmaker> today even with proper maglev tracks :-P 21:52:51 <TrueBrain> sadly, it is 1980 21:53:40 <planetmaker> h22... is correct version? 21:53:47 <planetmaker> I don't find the server? 21:53:49 <TrueBrain> yes 21:53:52 <TrueBrain> ends with -nogo ;) 21:54:01 <TrueBrain> the ones popping up green / yellow 21:54:38 <Xaroth> Xaroth.nl NoGo1 21:54:40 <planetmaker> yes, but there's none. got the IP? 21:54:50 <Xaroth> rawr.xaroth.nl:3980 21:54:53 <Xaroth> top of my head 21:55:54 <TrueBrain> here it is advertised 21:56:10 <Xaroth> planetmaker: http://www.openttd.org/en/server/50443 21:56:35 <planetmaker> yup, found it with IP. 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