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00:00:45 <XeryusTC> gn TrueBrain and Xaroth ;) 00:00:51 <TrueBrain> night XeryusTC :) 00:00:58 <Xaroth> nn XeryusTC 00:01:16 <TrueBrain> Yexo: but if we attach _current_company to the thread storage, make OTTD2SQ part of the instance, lock the main thread and run all AIs at the same time, caching their DoCommands ... it _should_ be possible to massively paralise them :P 00:01:33 <TrueBrain> the API is pretty much contained 00:01:49 <Yexo> there are quite some calls to openttd core, we'd have to check each of those very carefullly 00:01:56 <glx> yeah remove globals :) 00:01:56 <TrueBrain> those are only read calls 00:02:01 <TrueBrain> so those are safe 00:02:05 <TrueBrain> as the main thread is standing still 00:02:27 <glx> globals are bad and should be exterminated :) 00:02:28 <TrueBrain> and 2 AIs reading the same peice of memory .. well .. nobody cares :) 00:03:00 <TrueBrain> and all write commands are done via DoCommands, so fully contained in a (local) queue 00:03:11 <glx> as safe as MP 00:03:17 <TrueBrain> exactly ;) 00:03:22 <Yexo> one problem might be that you can't even do a DoCommand while the other AIs are reading stuff 00:03:24 <TrueBrain> that is why I know there is no writing outside DoCommands :P 00:03:27 <Yexo> I mean not even in TestMode 00:03:33 <TrueBrain> Yexo: you do not execute the DoCommand :) 00:03:37 <TrueBrain> why not? 00:03:41 <TrueBrain> it is also just reading of facts 00:03:58 <Yexo> because I think some commands do and undo stuff in test mode 00:04:06 <TrueBrain> those would be bad 00:04:08 <glx> like a player thinking what to do based on what he saw 00:04:09 <TrueBrain> and I realise, one other case 00:04:15 <TrueBrain> where there is global temporary variable ;) 00:04:19 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@host217-42-195-16.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 00:04:42 <TrueBrain> (we have more variants of static varaibles used in functions :P) 00:04:43 <Yexo> which is? 00:05:04 <TrueBrain> I wonder if things like _cmd_text still exist 00:05:24 <Yexo> not with that name 00:05:34 <glx> I think it has been replaced 00:05:52 <TrueBrain> I think it was now part of the DoCommand structure 00:05:55 <TrueBrain> which makes it safe again :) 00:06:03 <TrueBrain> but yeah, Yexo, you might be right there are a few places that will cause issues :) 00:06:11 <TrueBrain> but at least, because it is tightly contained, those are findable :) 00:06:26 <Yexo> yes, that's true :) 00:06:37 <TrueBrain> so, making AIs threadable is not unthinkable 00:06:43 <TrueBrain> now in terms of performance gain ... I dunno 00:06:58 <TrueBrain> there will be some, in corner cases ... like with 16 AIs .. 00:07:25 <TrueBrain> I am afraid the locking and switching in fact hurts performance in most use-cases :P 00:07:44 <Yexo> yes, I think so too 00:07:49 <Swissfan91> is there a template for drawing railway station tiles? how do I know how much of a gap to leave for the track? 00:08:21 <Yexo> never measured anything, but I think the major part of AI time is not spend executing squirrel code but executing test commands 00:08:21 <glx> station tiles need at least 2 parts 00:08:43 <TrueBrain> Yexo: after NoGo, I might profile those things a bit, to get a visual image of what is going on 00:08:51 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-003-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 00:08:59 <TrueBrain> I am just very curious what takes most time 00:09:08 <TrueBrain> I cant imagine it is Squirrel, as it performed very well during tests 00:09:13 <Yexo> Swissfan91: did you see http://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/StationDrawingTutorial ? 00:11:53 <Swissfan91> ah yes, thanks Yexo :) 00:12:15 <Swissfan91> i just have so many ideas - hence the NewObjects, Towns, Industries and now stations :P 00:14:11 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 00:19:11 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 00:20:49 <Swissfan91> so i need two completely seperate sprites? or in the same sprite sheet? are there any example station sprite sheets floating around i can see? 00:22:00 <z-MaTRiX> they say sprite is cool but i prefer mineral water instead ;/ 00:22:44 <Pinkbeast> Swiss> I would do it as two separate sprites in the same sheet, each of which occupies the relevant half of the area. 00:23:30 <Swissfan91> ok, cool. 00:24:23 <Yexo> Swissfan91: they need to be two separate sprites 00:24:34 <Yexo> whether or not those are in the same file is completely up to you 00:24:47 <Swissfan91> ah, ok. 00:24:56 <Swissfan91> on an unrelated note - does anyone know if its possible to have a 1x2 newobject tile that is 1 down slope tile and 1 flat tile? 00:25:00 <Yexo> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/chips/repository <- not sure if that does help you, but it's a station newgrf 00:25:04 <Pinkbeast> Well, putting them in two files just lets them get separated from each other. 00:25:06 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-179.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 00:25:11 <Yexo> yes, that's possible 00:25:54 <Swissfan91> i sense a 'but' coming :) 00:26:08 <Yexo> no but 00:26:11 <Yexo> it's just possible :) 00:26:18 <glx> some industries do that 00:26:40 <Yexo> industries are not objects though 00:26:55 <glx> you just need to do the right callbacks I think 00:27:16 <Yexo> yep (whereas with industries I don't think you'd need any callbacks at all) 00:27:35 <glx> remember ECS tourist stuff ? 00:27:41 <Yexo> yes 00:28:05 <glx> it uses callbacks to analyse terrain (and reject construction) 00:28:24 <Swissfan91> I see. I was thinking of a ski jump, like http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=ski+jump&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&biw=1022&bih=496&tbm=isch&tbnid=NLBYzxxadBEFNM:&imgrefurl=http://www.deckchair.com/the-worlds-craziest-ski-jumps/&docid=wCcfPW2h6DdbjM&imgurl=http://www.deckchair.com/wp-content/uploads/rsz_holmenkoller-ski-jump-norway1-hhh.jpg&w=530&h=333&ei=ZZvJTpDdLc7c8gP8_5CcDw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur= 00:28:24 <Swissfan91> 229&sig=107238041530745376254&page=6&tbnh=104&tbnw=166&start=54&ndsp=10&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:54&tx=62&ty=29 00:28:27 <Swissfan91> excuse the link. 00:28:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AD2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:43 <Yexo> that you don't need any callbacks doesn't mean you can't use them for additional checks 00:29:52 <z-MaTRiX> Swissfan91<< according to your google session, you search many porn sites 00:31:32 * Pinkbeast blinks like that was a little out of left field 00:33:41 <Swissfan91> i'm sorry? O.o 00:34:20 <z-MaTRiX> was a tracking spyware comment, you know, google plays bigbrother with you :) 00:34:59 <Swissfan91> man, i'm confused. 00:35:29 * z-MaTRiX playz Sylver - Confused 00:37:46 <z-MaTRiX> i have an ai 9000, should i go for the ati x550 ? 00:38:01 <z-MaTRiX> s/ai/ati/ 00:46:24 *** Swissfan91 [~Swissfan9@host-78-145-52-238.as13285.net] has quit [] 01:12:04 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:17:37 *** hanf^ [~Klaus@host-2-101-48-65.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 01:22:32 *** Klaus__ [~Klaus@host-2-101-48-65.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 01:24:32 *** hanf [~Klaus@host-2-101-48-65.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:28:03 *** hanf^ [~Klaus@host-2-101-48-65.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:26 *** Klaus__ [~Klaus@host-2-101-48-65.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:53:53 *** JGR [~IRC@oriel-student-nat.oriel.ox.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: quit] 02:04:23 <Xaroth> haha 02:04:26 <Xaroth> nn planetmaker :P 02:04:33 <planetmaker> night :-) 02:04:42 <Xaroth> you said you were going well over an hour ago :P 02:16:02 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-048-168.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 03:09:03 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-169-23.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 03:09:33 *** anonvocis [~Marlon@202.171.168.178] has joined #openttd 03:09:39 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:158d:8bda:662a:17f0] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:20:31 <Eddi|zuHause> <Yexo> one problem might be that you can't even do a DoCommand while the other AIs are reading stuff <-- how about issuing a DoCommand will immediately end the AI's tick? results will then be ready at the next tick 03:24:05 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-109-243-239.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:29:49 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-159-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:48:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 04:12:45 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 05:19:20 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: then there's also an issue with using global variables to pass information to other functions :( 05:41:32 <anonvocis> Do you use UML at all? 05:41:53 <anonvocis> To plan current or future development of OTTD? 05:54:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75156.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:54:36 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B72E39.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:12:05 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-179.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 06:15:43 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 06:31:36 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a9627.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:45:59 *** DDR_ [~DDR@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 06:47:27 *** DDR_ [~DDR@142.179.78.88] has quit [] 07:06:06 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:13:47 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:20:47 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:24:47 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-190-31.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 07:30:54 <peter1138> "An 898 tonne train (ICE3 with 360KL of oil)" nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 07:32:10 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 07:35:38 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 07:46:03 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-179.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:51:17 <SpComb> peter1138: indeed, it should be a Transrapid 07:53:27 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:02:25 *** Celestar [~dax@82.113.99.58] has joined #openttd 08:02:53 <Celestar> moooorning 08:03:08 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:07:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.168.113] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:16:01 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-190-31.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:36:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B3DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:38:33 <peter1138> hmm, are we supposed to use dos or windows versions of newgrfs these days? 08:38:52 <peter1138> i added dbsetxlw but it defaulted to dos 08:41:19 <planetmaker> peter1138: adv. setting: default palette for newgrfs 08:43:33 <dihedral> good morning 08:45:01 <Celestar> hi 08:50:38 <dihedral> Celestar, it's nice to see you here for a bit longer ;-) 09:06:56 <Celestar> I hope it stays that way :) 09:07:11 <Celestar> I just didn't have time for coding this weekend. 09:08:18 *** devilsadvocate_ [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 09:08:32 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has joined #openttd 09:14:24 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 7.0.1/20110928224508]] 09:22:11 *** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-81-109.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 09:37:24 <Arafangion> Celestar: Don't code again, and you'll have time to stay here. ;) 09:42:15 <Celestar> haha 09:42:18 <Celestar> good point 09:53:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B3DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 09:53:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B3DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:00:48 *** pjpe [ae5b514a@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:06:56 <dihedral> i do not have a lot of time to code either 10:07:04 <dihedral> but i do enjoy the time i do have for coding ;-) 10:22:03 <Xaroth> wow, there have been people on the nogo servers all night o_O 10:23:07 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-181-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:40:07 <dihedral> nogo servers? 10:44:38 <planetmaker> yes. clearly no ananas nor tomatoes 10:45:07 <Sacro> no ananas? 10:45:14 <Sacro> yes, we have no ananas 10:45:19 <Sacro> we have no ananas today 10:45:40 <planetmaker> at least I hope, no ananas: http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/rev/87d84ab823f3 10:46:39 <Xaroth> dih: you should check the forums more often :P 10:46:48 <dihedral> :-P 10:46:50 <dihedral> hehe 10:47:08 <Xaroth> planetmaker: last I heard from tb before he went zzz is that we made more money than coop transport with just transporting oil over silly lengths :P 10:47:32 <planetmaker> might be. it makes good money 10:47:50 <dihedral> good job openttdcoop is not about money :-P 10:48:58 <dihedral> Xaroth, feed me with a link? 10:50:34 <Xaroth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=57413&p=980942 10:52:18 <dihedral> what is that?? 10:52:37 <Xaroth> NoGo :) 10:52:47 <V453000> is that "just" an enhancement of what towns require to grow? 10:55:46 <Xaroth> read the topic 10:55:50 <Xaroth> and read the other topic about it 10:56:13 <dihedral> well if it's too hard to tell, i dont see a reason to check out ;-) 10:57:25 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 10:58:46 <planetmaker> we're not curious ;-) 11:02:07 <Xaroth> dihedral: well somebody figured it out just by the hints, so it's not that hard. 11:02:27 <Xaroth> but it was too easy to point you to http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=57431 11:05:08 <dihedral> interesting 11:06:41 *** guru3 [~guru3@81-235-164-123-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:13:02 <dihedral> noooo not guru3 :-( 11:13:48 <peter1138> hmm, my train has an invalid length, apparently 11:14:15 <peter1138> why would i get that message? 11:14:59 <peter1138> with dbsetxl, and the BR01 engine 11:15:59 <planetmaker> changed newgrfs after creation? 11:16:01 <peter1138> nope 11:17:58 <planetmaker> Xaroth: but did you kill the server of last night? :-( 11:18:03 <peter1138> oh 11:18:13 <peter1138> wait a minute, i have michi_cc's patch applied 11:18:17 <peter1138> michi_cc ^^ 11:19:26 <peter1138> the bounding box is different after sending the train to the depot 11:25:47 <Eddi|zuHause> ohh... someone has the opinion that IS2 is "well tested" :p 11:27:39 <Xaroth> planetmaker: no, people were on it until the reset date 11:27:45 <Xaroth> which was at around 10am this morning 11:29:44 *** hanf [~Klaus@host-89-242-77-115.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 11:30:06 <planetmaker> I guess I hate automatic reset dates 11:30:14 <planetmaker> no fun to look at stuff again 11:30:30 <planetmaker> :-( 11:31:21 <Xaroth> yeh, i'm really tempted to just rip it out 11:31:24 <Xaroth> and reset only with new versions 11:36:44 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, directly below a crash report, yes 11:38:19 <planetmaker> :-) 11:43:20 <appe_> where can i find the original ttd music in midi? 11:43:46 <Eddi|zuHause> on your original CD 11:44:07 <appe_> ah, buggers. 11:44:21 <planetmaker> what do you expect? 11:44:36 <planetmaker> help for copyright infringement? 11:44:42 <appe_> nothing really, i was hoping for a CC licence or something 11:44:55 *** appe_ is now known as appe 11:47:24 <Xaroth> that's called opensfx? 11:47:30 <Xaroth> or whatever that license is 11:48:38 <planetmaker> openmsx for music. That's gpl v2 11:48:55 <planetmaker> opensfx for sound. that's CC sampling plus 11:51:02 <appe> i see 11:53:39 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: and we made the most epic oil line ..... we did more in a year than you did :P 11:53:51 <TrueBrain> there were over 4000 goods ready :P You were transporting just 15% :P 11:54:20 <planetmaker> I didn't build for money but for town growth ;-) 11:54:26 <planetmaker> So how large was yours? :-P 11:54:34 <TrueBrain> :D:D 11:54:42 <TrueBrain> it was fun .. sad the server kept running :'( 11:54:55 <planetmaker> rather that it shutdown. yes 11:55:04 <TrueBrain> well, restarted :P 11:55:08 <planetmaker> same thing 11:55:13 <TrueBrain> at a certain moment I had 100 trains on the track :P 11:55:30 <TrueBrain> from start to end you had trains, both ways :D 11:55:32 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 11:55:33 <TrueBrain> one big roundabound :D 11:55:42 <planetmaker> that's how it's supposed to be 11:55:53 *** JGR [~IRC@oriel-student-nat.oriel.ox.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 11:56:01 <planetmaker> I guess we need infra sharing with proper credit distribution among companies 11:56:22 <TrueBrain> the oilrig gave me another idea for that, but it might push it a bit 11:56:28 <TrueBrain> a structure called 'storage' or what ever 11:56:34 <TrueBrain> in which you can store stuff, and sell it to others :P 11:56:45 <TrueBrain> but then we are no longer a TRNASPORT game, but in the business of buying and selling :P 11:58:17 <appe> gpl v2 seems to allow me what i need. 11:59:53 <appe> to be.. allowed. 12:05:22 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: it's called "station" ;-) 12:06:10 <TrueBrain> but then you cannot control what goes there and what not :P Well, I guess that is the price to pay :P 12:06:17 <TrueBrain> ugh .. stop talking; first I want to finish NoGo :P :P 12:06:41 <planetmaker> haha :-) 12:07:02 <planetmaker> and I usually control what I deliver to a station quite well ;-) 12:07:22 <TrueBrain> I was more thinking about how to share with more than one company tbh :) 12:07:59 <TrueBrain> hihi, newgrf callback: how much goods which company gets :D 12:08:03 <TrueBrain> or should that be in NoGo? :P :P 12:18:50 <planetmaker> IMHO NewGRFs should not access that 12:24:52 *** guru3 [~guru3@81-235-164-123-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 12:25:51 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:26:27 <dihedral> sounds like you guys had fun ^^ 12:29:56 *** guru3_ [~guru3@81-235-164-123-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 12:29:57 *** guru3 [~guru3@81-235-164-123-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:25 *** hanf [~Klaus@host-89-242-77-115.as13285.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:45:01 <andythenorth> http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1921361 12:47:48 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I was not being serious :D 12:50:14 <planetmaker> "The right API lets me integrate your product with a USB-controlled toy missile launcher. " <-- clearly one of the important sentences, andythenorth ;-) 12:50:37 <planetmaker> openttd with a missile launcher api :-P 12:51:26 <TrueBrain> sounds the right way to go 12:51:53 <andythenorth> devops 12:51:58 <andythenorth> biab 12:51:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:53:49 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:5cab:4839:7fd8:cbe8] has joined #openttd 12:53:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:54:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:05:47 *** roroproject [5d28627a@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:21:16 *** roroproject [5d28627a@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:43:03 *** TomyLobo2 [~foo@p4FC23F1F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:47:28 <michi_cc> peter1138: Try if you can still break http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/patches/something_like_fs3569_v2.patch 13:48:55 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p54946C45.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:48:55 *** TomyLobo2 is now known as TomyLobo 13:51:28 <peter1138> ok 13:53:56 <Rubidium> anonvocis: I don't think OpenTTD is very well suited for UML diagrams. That's mostly focussed on classes and that's not something that's done everywhere 13:55:39 <peter1138> michi_cc, C:/MinGW/msys/1.0/home/Peter/ottd/trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp:3547:56: error: 'bool TrainCheckIfLineEnds(Train*, bool)' was declared 'ex 13:55:42 <peter1138> tern' and later 'static' 13:57:45 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc12-linl7-2-0-cust144.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:58:08 <michi_cc> Bah. If you reload the patch file the error should be magically gone :) 13:58:34 <peter1138> :) 13:59:07 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:18 <TrueBrain> well, he has to reapply it too ;) 14:00:17 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd 14:00:20 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:01:24 <michi_cc> There's one very specific situation where even the updated patch will still generate a train length warning (which will not lead to a crash even if it says so and can be fixed by a depot visit), but you really need to design your save to trigger that. 14:01:38 <peter1138> nope, it still happens 14:01:53 <michi_cc> Savegame? 14:02:02 <peter1138> i'm not exactly "designing" anything 14:02:22 <peter1138> new game with dbsetxl, build a BR 01, send it out on the track. save. load. get warning... 14:02:37 <michi_cc> Don't save :) 14:02:42 <peter1138> i see 14:02:45 <michi_cc> Or bump the savegame version :) 14:04:09 <peter1138> yeah, that's better 14:04:10 <michi_cc> I didn't do that in the patch because I wanted to load test games with and without the patch, but the final commit would of course include the savegame bump. 14:04:20 <peter1138> d'oh 14:05:00 <peter1138> oh, if you have bounding boxes in, they're not removed properly when the train moves 14:05:31 <michi_cc> They weren't always removed properly before either. 14:05:36 <appe> what a waste 14:05:36 <peter1138> k 14:05:37 <appe> bah. 14:05:59 <peter1138> i guess it's because the bb extends beyond the sprite 14:06:06 <appe> building the most elaborate network in pause, dont save, unpause, everything dies. 14:06:29 <Belugas> hello 14:08:33 <michi_cc> The one specific known breakage is when you have a train with a very short front vehicle that is positioned exactly so that the front vehicle is logically just still on a tile (even if the graphics will be almost completely on the new tile) and the center of the last vehicle has just enter a tile. The remove the tracks before and after the train. This is something not fixable because there's just no space for proper vehicle spacing. 14:08:47 <michi_cc> But really, preparing failing save for that is *hard* :) 14:09:04 <michi_cc> It 14:09:33 <michi_cc> 's not breaking OpenTTD though, you'd just need to rebuild the tracks and send the vehicle to the depot to fix it up. 14:41:15 *** PuerScyphu [~PuerScyph@client-212-117-1-158.inturbo.lt] has joined #openttd 14:41:37 <PuerScyphu> http://baron.proudandloud.com Create your own unique T-SHIRT.In our website you can upload your image and create your own design and order the product you made 14:41:56 *** PuerScyphu [~PuerScyph@client-212-117-1-158.inturbo.lt] has left #openttd [] 14:43:44 <planetmaker> @ban *!*@*-212-117-1-158.inturbo.lt 14:44:26 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@*212-117-1-158.inturbo.lt] by planetmaker 14:55:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:55:17 <andythenorth> if it's not an insanely stupid question, how doe IS work? 14:56:09 <Xaroth> the name sais it all 14:56:19 <Eddi|zuHause> you have to enable some settings to allow other company's vehicle to use your rails 14:58:50 *** anonvocis [~Marlon@202.171.168.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:59:23 <XeryusTC> Xaroth: do you reset the map every day? 15:00:02 <Xaroth> XeryusTC: it -was- set at 2050, but somebody was on all night 15:00:05 <Xaroth> so it reached 2k50 15:00:06 <Xaroth> and reset 15:00:13 <andythenorth> so other players' rail routes can connect to mine with IS? 15:00:16 <Xaroth> .. i disabled reset now, and only reset when updates are made 15:00:26 <andythenorth> so there's a tile with track owned by two players? 15:00:26 <XeryusTC> oh, that makes sense xD 15:00:39 <XeryusTC> well, at least we can do let's play #2 tonight then 15:00:43 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: no 15:00:55 <XeryusTC> and hopefully recording software will not go fubar then ;) 15:01:06 <Xaroth> #2 is down, but I can start it up whenever people feel like it :) 15:01:09 <Xaroth> just gimme a hollar 15:01:20 * Xaroth is currently working on a more challenging Goal script. 15:01:25 <XeryusTC> i meant #2 as we tried to do a let's play yesterday ;) 15:01:33 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: look at it like roads, the road vehicles can use other company's roads by just connecting to it 15:01:34 <Xaroth> ah 15:01:54 <andythenorth> but I can't bulldoze competitors roads... 15:01:58 <XeryusTC> also, don't use the word hollar, it makes you sound like a rednekc ;) 15:02:14 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, you can't bulldoze competitors rails either 15:02:16 <Xaroth> har 15:02:35 <Xaroth> I'm too dutch to be a redneck 15:03:49 <XeryusTC> there are quite a few morons in the dutchlands ;) 15:03:58 <Xaroth> that, is true. 15:04:16 <Xaroth> like people who drive in the fog with amost 0 visibility without their lights on 15:06:34 <planetmaker> andythenorth: just because I share a meal with you doesn't mean that you can tear down my kitchen ;-) 15:07:22 <V453000> :D nice example 15:10:32 <XeryusTC> Xaroth: is servicing off this time btw? 15:13:01 <Xaroth> it should already be 15:13:12 <Xaroth> if not, we can always remind tb that he too has rcon :P 15:23:47 <Xaroth> ok, who's good at squirrel... is there something like pythons 'in' statement? 15:23:59 <Xaroth> as in, if <x> in <iteratable> 15:25:23 <XeryusTC> but tb is a lazy slacker :( 15:26:19 <Xaroth> oh, and i'm not sure if andythenorth or planetmaker asked this, but according to what I read, higest rating counts towards growth atm :P 15:26:37 <Xaroth> but that, obviously, is determined by the script, so is changable 15:26:46 * andythenorth was trying to figure out what the gaping holes are in IS that make it unworkable 15:26:59 <Xaroth> andythenorth: well either you or pm asked that ingame last night. 15:27:16 <planetmaker> might be. valuable info :-) 15:27:39 <planetmaker> andythenorth: it's mostly the edge cases of failed "relationships": 15:27:48 <Eddi|zuHause> XeryusTC: while you are here, something has come up with the MTSS "license" here: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/modernstationset/repository/entry/LICENSE --- basically it prevents anyone from picking up the project 15:27:49 <planetmaker> what do you do with your vehicles on now "enemy" tracks 15:28:00 <planetmaker> if your competitor traps them in an eternal circle 15:28:06 <andythenorth> you lose :P 15:28:06 <planetmaker> and similar 15:28:09 <planetmaker> exactly 15:28:17 <andythenorth> strong fences make good neighbours 15:28:18 <andythenorth> etc. 15:28:19 <andythenorth> :P 15:28:48 <XeryusTC> Eddi|zuHause: actually, it allows someone to pick it up if i say it is ok ;) 15:28:54 <andythenorth> in the game we were playing last night, I quite wanted shared stations 15:29:03 <andythenorth> so that cargo could be transferred between competitors 15:29:17 <planetmaker> you're not the only one 15:29:19 <Eddi|zuHause> XeryusTC: in debian-speak, this fails the desert island test 15:29:47 <planetmaker> XeryusTC: and you can't give that anymore, if you drop dead tomorrow 15:29:52 <planetmaker> then it's lost for eterenity 15:30:11 <planetmaker> the "if I say.." is the crucial point. 15:30:12 <XeryusTC> well, you'd just have to wait a couple of years then ;) 15:30:19 <planetmaker> Good licenses require no "...if I say..." 15:30:40 <planetmaker> the ...if I say... is as good as none 15:30:53 <planetmaker> But I actually am convinced that Red*Star will release his sprites ;-) 15:31:03 <planetmaker> Then it doesn't matter what happens with your code :-P 15:31:17 <XeryusTC> well, you can use his sprites as long as you credit him IIRC 15:31:48 <Eddi|zuHause> sure, but it's easier to pick up a project with existing code instead of starting from scratch 15:32:21 <planetmaker> quite 15:32:48 <planetmaker> given the buggyness of the code and the unwillingness to continue it, I don't really understand your stance, XeryusTC 15:32:50 <Eddi|zuHause> station coders don't exactly grow on trees 15:33:19 <Xaroth> aww 15:33:24 * Xaroth chops down his station coder tree 15:33:36 <planetmaker> noooo! :`-( 15:33:58 <planetmaker> You killed it before it could grow fruit... :-P 15:34:11 <XeryusTC> question is then: is any of you willing to pick up where i have left? 15:34:13 <peter1138> is there some irony to a LICENSE file that says it's "without a license" ? 15:34:28 <planetmaker> XeryusTC: that's not the question 15:34:54 <planetmaker> the question is "how many might be deterred to even look or try" 15:35:06 <planetmaker> just for... some vanity issue 15:36:44 <planetmaker> same what I said yesterday: one picks up whatever one finds interesting at that point and toys around. Maybe something comes from it, maybe not 15:37:04 <planetmaker> But I certainly won't even consider toying with something when I would first need to ask 15:37:12 <XeryusTC> tbh i cba atm to change the license :P 15:38:09 <planetmaker> how "convenient" 15:38:25 <planetmaker> you know where OpenTTD would be with this attitude? 15:38:50 <XeryusTC> you sound like my parents :O 15:39:51 <Terkhen> good afternoon 15:39:56 <planetmaker> no, I find it very disappointing and it would have taken you less time to change it than to lament around this thing here. 15:39:59 <planetmaker> hello Terkhen 15:40:31 <planetmaker> it's a matter of attitude. And I find yours highly disappointing in this matter 15:41:04 <Xaroth> criticizing somebody over his or her choices is hardly going to get you what you want, planetmaker... 15:41:07 <planetmaker> something I was very surprised about last time. And I find it the more surprising as you insist on it 15:41:37 <planetmaker> Xaroth: then I'm afraid I've to remove the project from the Devzone. It violates the TOS 15:41:52 <Xaroth> planetmaker: or, you can just ask him nicely... 15:42:13 <planetmaker> I did that... multiple times 15:42:25 * Xaroth shrugs 15:42:34 <XeryusTC> you DO sound like my parent... 15:42:59 <XeryusTC> also, if you remove the project then it is counter productive against the thing that you are trying to achieve 15:43:18 <planetmaker> Not really 15:43:44 <XeryusTC> dont you want it so that anyone can pick up the code and continue where i have left it? 15:43:48 <planetmaker> It's a matter of how far tolerance has to accept intollerance 15:43:59 <planetmaker> to use a somewhat not-matching parabole 15:44:00 <XeryusTC> and if it gets removed from the internets then that is not possible at all 15:44:23 <planetmaker> XeryusTC: wouldn't matter as it wouldn't change a thing 15:44:26 <planetmaker> as things are 15:45:24 <XeryusTC> well, currently you can send me an email and i would be glad to say that someone can pick up where i left it 15:45:54 <planetmaker> then you should state that as license. And not bick around 15:46:01 <planetmaker> which would be cc-by 15:46:31 <XeryusTC> i could, but i dont feel like doing it at all now 15:46:37 <planetmaker> of course 15:47:05 <planetmaker> which is a 5-year-old attitude. Might make sense to sound like parents then 15:49:19 <XeryusTC> *sigh* 15:49:36 <Xaroth> hrnf, easiest way to find the town closest to a TileIndex in sq... 15:51:44 <Eddi|zuHause> valuate the town list by distance, and take the minimum? 15:53:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f55e2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:53:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:55:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:01:08 <Xaroth> hah 16:01:15 <Xaroth> crude form of town claiming worketh :o 16:07:08 <Yexo> Xaroth: AITown.GetClosestTown(TileIndex) 16:07:17 <Yexo> or I guess GoalTown if you're writing a goal script 16:07:39 <Xaroth> don't see that one in the 1.1.3 docs 16:07:46 <Xaroth> but that wouldn't help either way, as I want to filter out cities 16:07:51 <Xaroth> but i got it working 16:08:03 <Xaroth> thanks anyhow :) 16:08:03 <Yexo> wait, AITile.GetCLosestTown 16:08:36 <Xaroth> ooh, that one I do see 16:08:39 <Xaroth> must remember it :o 16:09:52 <andythenorth> quak 16:10:23 <frosch123> moin 16:11:12 <Celestar> holy idiots. Someone tell the stupid admin crew that you cannot move an application from a server A to a server B without thinking. 16:11:27 <Celestar> especially if you overlook the minor detail that A is PA-RISC and B is IA-64 16:11:56 <andythenorth> would be nice if you could move from server A to server B though... 16:12:04 <Celestar> well 16:12:07 <Xaroth> ok, it works, only slightly buggy o_O 16:12:13 <Celestar> the stuff they moved it ONLY perl scripts. 16:12:36 <Celestar> but some numbnut managed to copy /usr/bin/perl from one server to the other O_o 16:17:13 <SpComb> just set up x86 virtual machines on both servers \o/ 16:18:20 <__ln__> or implement perl in java, because java runs on all platforms 16:18:35 <blathijs> Celestar: Sounds like these people can't achieve anything without thinking 16:18:41 <blathijs> nor with thinking, though 16:19:15 <dihedral> :-P 16:19:26 <Celestar> blathijs: some people should flip burgers... 16:19:55 <dihedral> people like my boss :-P 16:20:06 <michi_cc> Celestar: You really want to eat a burger handled by such a person? :p 16:21:26 <Eddi|zuHause> <dihedral> people like my boss :-P <-- is that one of those times where you tell us "i need a new job"? 16:21:40 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, nope 16:21:56 <dihedral> i am happy with my job 16:21:58 <blathijs> He just needs a new boss ;-) 16:22:05 <dihedral> ... just not always happy with my boss :-D 16:22:33 <dihedral> but actually, i just need to tell my boss what i dislike 16:26:23 <Belugas> meet the new boss, 16:26:27 <Belugas> same as the old boss 16:26:51 *** tty234 [telex@anapnea.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:27:42 * andythenorth is the boss 16:27:50 <andythenorth> when you want to stick it to the man, that's me that it is 16:28:26 *** tty234 [telex@anapnea.net] has joined #openttd 16:28:37 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a9627.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:29:04 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-179.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 16:31:57 *** tty234 [telex@anapnea.net] has quit [] 16:32:26 *** tty234 [telex@anapnea.net] has joined #openttd 16:32:54 <dihedral> the more my boss dives into sales and out of the techi parts, the more joy i have ;-) 16:34:45 <andythenorth> dihedral: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-pattern#Organizational_anti-patterns 16:40:48 *** hanf [~Klaus@host-89-241-69-111.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 16:40:56 <Celestar> michi_cc: good point. 16:57:09 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:01:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.166.192] has joined #openttd 17:06:40 *** Celestar [~dax@82.113.99.58] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:07:24 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-169-23.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 17:10:46 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-063-046.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 17:20:59 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 17:22:20 <appe> http://i.space.com/images/i/13422/original/lhcb.jpg 17:22:27 <appe> leave your keys at the door please. 17:25:09 <planetmaker> hehe 17:31:45 *** TWerkhoven2 [~twerkhove@cpc12-linl7-2-0-cust144.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:38:14 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc12-linl7-2-0-cust144.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:58:11 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:02:13 *** TWerkhoven2 is now known as TWerkhoven 18:03:25 *** pjpe [ae5b514a@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:04:20 *** Swissfan91 [~Swissfan9@host-78-145-52-238.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:48 <Swissfan91> has anyone got ANY idea how to draw picnic table in OTTD? I just cannot do it. 18:04:55 *** SystemParadox [~simon@proxima.systemparadox.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:07:50 <Swissfan91> don't all shout at once :) 18:08:05 <andythenorth> Swissfan91: it's too small, don't do it 18:08:08 <andythenorth> is the answer 18:08:59 <Swissfan91> really? I have a 2x1 restaurant I have drawn, with almost an entire tile decking where people would eat/drink IRL. It looks kinda silly completely empty. 18:09:26 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-73-144.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:14:42 *** pjpe [ae5b514a@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:23:28 *** ptr is now known as Guest17804 18:26:52 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~turbulent@cpc12-linl7-2-0-cust144.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:30:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:31:27 <Wolf01> hello 18:31:52 <__ln__> howdoyoudo 18:32:11 <TrueBrain> and how do you do your wife 18:32:27 <TrueBrain> (dutch joke) 18:33:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:33:29 <Wolf01> __ln__: not so bad; TrueBrain: too bad I don't have either a girlfriend :P 18:43:28 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r23289 /trunk/src/lang/ (german.txt polish.txt): 18:43:28 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:43:28 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: german - 12 changes by NG 18:43:28 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: polish - 19 changes by icecrasher, wojteks86 18:48:09 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:51:53 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:59:01 * appe makes noise version of the ottd theme. 19:13:21 <Markk> appe: You always make noise, you're aware of that, eh? 19:13:22 <Markk> :D 19:14:11 <Zuu> Hmm, I've spent a lot of time writing AIs and batteling OpenTTD features and NewGRFs, but when faced with NoGo I start to come up with all wierd ideas :-) 19:15:16 <Terkhen> such as? :) 19:15:57 <Zuu> Some kind of networking among towns. Eg "twin cities" where delivering cargo to a town would grow its twin instead of that town. :-) 19:16:29 <Zuu> Or doing so that town grow rate depends on the size/delivery to nearby towns. 19:16:37 <Terkhen> :) 19:17:35 <planetmaker> Zuu: join #openttdcoop.dev ;-) 19:17:47 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-169-23.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 19:18:05 <z-MaTRiX> hi :) 19:18:56 <Zuu> planetmaker: tweaked goal script? :-) 19:19:14 <planetmaker> not quite. 19:19:27 <planetmaker> I'd be willing to use a tweaked one, though :-) 19:19:33 <planetmaker> But I didn't get around to that yet 19:22:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.190.240] has joined #openttd 19:28:33 <Zuu> I don't have anything coded yet 19:29:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.166.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:30 <__ln__> about 1.7k commits until the r25k party 19:30:23 <Zuu> Is that a way saying that I shouldn't make a nogo script but instead commit OpenTTD patches for it ;-) 19:31:03 <__ln__> dunno, it was only a statement :) 19:31:38 <z-MaTRiX> does your linux kernel support HRT ? 19:36:57 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.210.119] has joined #openttd 19:37:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:37:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 19:38:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:44:19 <andythenorth> hola 19:45:00 <Swissfan91> buenos tardes 19:45:26 <__ln__> *buenas 19:45:38 <Swissfan91> whatever :P 19:46:00 <Swissfan91> how is everyone tonight? 19:46:04 <andythenorth> has anyone made a simple railtypes grf for YAIM yet? 19:46:11 <andythenorth> just one extra set of tracks - cheaper, low speed 19:46:20 <andythenorth> leave the normal rails / elrails etc in place 19:50:57 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-228-104.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:52:52 <frosch123> andythenorth: i have the solutions for groups! 19:53:18 <frosch123> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=981009#p981009 <- you can group them with windows xp 19:54:01 <appe> Markk: -.- 19:57:03 <planetmaker> ha, lol :-) 19:58:10 <z-MaTRiX> nah 20:04:27 <Zuu> Has anyone figured out how to open the NoGo debug window? 20:05:02 <z-MaTRiX> No 20:05:16 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-103-200.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:05:44 <Terkhen> does it have one? 20:05:54 <Terkhen> IIRC it currently has no GUI 20:05:56 <Zuu> I though I saw a commit message about that. 20:06:38 <frosch123> afaik it's just a tab in the ai debug gui 20:07:10 <Zuu> Oh, yes you are right 20:07:13 <Zuu> Thanks 20:08:08 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-73-144.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:30:34 <andythenorth> anyone playing MP NoGo? 20:36:45 * XeryusTC points andythenorth to #openttdcoop.dev 20:37:05 * andythenorth is too busy being angry 20:37:10 <andythenorth> to have fun 20:41:58 <Swissfan91> calm down andy :) 20:48:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:48:33 <Xaroth> andythenorth: my servers are free to play, obviously 20:48:42 <Xaroth> but getting people on it might be a bit more tricky 20:49:35 <michi_cc> Scary commit coming in. Very scary commit :) 20:49:37 *** Swissfan91 [~Swissfan9@host-78-145-52-238.as13285.net] has quit [] 20:49:43 <TrueBrain> hihi @ michi_cc :D 20:49:52 <TrueBrain> by the amount of feedback you asked, it should be fine, not? :) 20:50:01 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r23290 /trunk/src/ (10 files in 2 dirs): 20:50:01 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#2379,FS#3569]: Change the centre of train vehicles to depend on the 20:50:01 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: vehicle length instead of being fixed at 4/8th of the original vehicle length to 20:50:01 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: make sure shortened vehicles don't block tiles they shouldn't block. 20:50:14 <TrueBrain> \o/ 20:50:27 <Xaroth> tempted to upload my custom GoalScript to nogo1 20:50:32 <michi_cc> TrueBrain: It should. But you know, that commit is like open heart surgery :) 20:50:55 <TrueBrain> :D:D 20:51:09 <michi_cc> Don't look at the savegame conversion code :p 20:51:18 <Xaroth> don't tempt me 20:52:18 <TrueBrain> michi_cc: no lack of comments :P 20:54:57 * andythenorth wonders if we could change crash reports 20:55:10 <andythenorth> if you change newgrfs in game, the crash report simply reads "we told you so" 20:56:53 <peter1138> heh 20:57:42 <andythenorth> also if you change newgrfs, any 'undefined string' is swapped for 'we told you so' 20:58:45 <andythenorth> instead of the red ? sprites (which incidentally a major performance suck), we create a sprite for 'we told you so' 20:59:03 <andythenorth> instead of showing the coal mine for broken industries, we show 'we told you so' 20:59:30 <andythenorth> if you have trains on a station tile that now has no track bits, instead of a nice message, we say 'we told you so' 20:59:45 <andythenorth> instead of a message about disconnecting articulated consists, we simply say 'we told you so' 21:00:17 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: you should change your 16/8 template now. 4/8 + 8/8 + 4/8 instead of 4/8 + 4/8 + 8/8 21:02:28 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-80-61.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 21:06:34 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~turbulent@cpc12-linl7-2-0-cust144.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:54 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc12-linl7-2-0-cust144.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 21:10:23 <peter1138> playing dbsetxl is weird 21:10:29 <peter1138> the steamers don't make noises :p 21:11:02 <Belugas> what??? mister mb-reality forgot that???? 21:11:09 <peter1138> well 21:11:18 <peter1138> running sounds didn't exist back then 21:11:37 <frosch123> Belugas: dbset might be older than your son :p 21:11:59 <Belugas> ho... 21:12:08 <Belugas> pretty good excuse indeed... 21:12:24 <Belugas> my son is getting 8 next month 21:12:30 <peter1138> not quite that old 21:12:35 <peter1138> 2005 21:12:52 <Belugas> missed by two years... 21:13:00 <peter1138> if only mb would make a new one... 21:13:13 <Belugas> there is one... the vapor ware one! 21:13:44 <frosch123> you know that it was announced for 11-11-11, but was postponed due to the recent cargoclass discussion and autorefit? 21:13:46 <andythenorth> to be fair to mb, he doesn't always aim for reality 21:13:52 <andythenorth> he aims for beauty :) 21:18:04 <michi_cc> peter1138: We need your cargo include/exclude property so we can finally close that cargo class discussion (feel free to argue with DaleStan about the property number :) 21:19:31 <frosch123> just use the next free ones 21:20:11 <michi_cc> And for Eddi's proposal at http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=980570#p980570 I vote second option for (a) and (b), yes for (d) and undecided/remove for (c). And I'm in favour to include most of the stuff from http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Cargo_redefinitions in the specs. 21:20:57 <peter1138> cets still works, woo 21:21:37 <michi_cc> peter1138: I even made an info post in the NewGRF technical forum, quite from there: "not be a game-breaker but might lead to minor visual differences" 21:21:42 <michi_cc> :) 21:22:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B72E39.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B72E39.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:22:37 <andythenorth> who moderates the openttd forum? :P 21:22:43 <peter1138> Personenzugwagen (Abteilwagen, beschleunigt, 4-achsig) Value: #5 21:22:48 <peter1138> what a description... 21:22:52 <frosch123> michi_cc: r2390, soo long ago? :p 21:22:55 <peter1138> why is my keyboard layout wrong... 21:23:23 <michi_cc> frosch123: Where? :p 21:24:10 <peter1138> anyway 21:24:17 <peter1138> my patch for ctt stuff is publishd 21:24:19 <peter1138> +e 21:24:28 <peter1138> feel free to finish it off :p 21:26:25 <andythenorth> meh 21:26:54 <andythenorth> apparently I am 'very rude for asking for this important discussion to be locked' 21:28:37 <peter1138> oh? 21:28:42 <andythenorth> pa 21:28:45 <andythenorth> h 21:28:48 <peter1138> pa? 21:28:49 <peter1138> h? 21:29:15 <peter1138> though i tend to agree :p 21:29:33 <andythenorth> pah :P 21:31:36 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:32:23 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:32:40 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 21:33:28 <Zuu> Hmm, my goal script is more wierd than useful :-) 21:33:32 * andythenorth thinks darketernal is a troll 21:33:59 <Zuu> Takes a while to init and gives different town vastly different goals :-) 21:34:47 <__ln__> *weird 21:35:00 <Zuu> But perhaps I should upload it still to become one of the first NoGo authors as well as AI authors :-p 21:35:40 <z-MaTRiX> who has linux? 21:36:23 <Terkhen> computer guys usually 21:36:33 <z-MaTRiX> would you check this for me? grep -Ei 'now at.*|\.resolution:.*|event_handler:.*' /proc/timer_list | sort -u | tr "\n" "," 21:37:08 <z-MaTRiX> i'm willing to use the HRT don't know what is the current support 21:39:02 <peter1138> you mean the HPET? 21:39:19 <Xaroth> Zuu: yes, it might need a bit optimization here and there 21:39:23 <peter1138> generally you should let the system use the HPET 21:39:31 <Xaroth> and updating 500+ towns is a BIT much :P 21:39:56 <Xaroth> btw, i updated NoGo #1 with a new goalscript 21:40:34 <z-MaTRiX> event_handler: hrtimer_interrupt 21:40:34 <z-MaTRiX> event_handler: tick_handle_oneshot_broadcast 21:40:34 <z-MaTRiX> now at 2795059973518578 nsecs 21:40:34 <z-MaTRiX> .resolution: 1 nsecs 21:40:38 <peter1138> or you're talking about something different :) 21:40:44 <z-MaTRiX> i meant high resolution timer 21:41:10 <z-MaTRiX> that works on lower resolution without a realtime kernel 21:42:36 <peter1138> z-MaTRiX, i guess i'm missing context. what are you doing? :p 21:43:17 <z-MaTRiX> was grepping out some information from "/proc/timer_list" if you mean that 21:43:37 <peter1138> o_O 21:45:03 <z-MaTRiX> but if you mean what im coding using this, i am making a benchmark fraimwork for testing FPS, and rendering time, and was wondering if others can use it too 21:45:46 <z-MaTRiX> but i'll surely know after i put it on web 21:47:26 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:47:48 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [] 21:51:23 * andythenorth avoids trolling forum thread :P 21:51:31 <andythenorth> I should get a cookie every time that happens 21:53:15 <z-MaTRiX> :) 21:53:19 <andythenorth> I'll just have to live with the idea that a kitten didn't die 21:53:26 <andythenorth> 'doing good by not killing kittens' :P 21:53:33 <Zuu> Oh, there will be a revolution - the AI forum has been moved :-p 21:55:48 <Terkhen> good night 21:56:08 <peter1138> Zuu, yeah, more people will actually notice it's there 21:56:59 <Zuu> The question is then, why AIs are below Graphics :-p 21:57:04 <andythenorth> ottd developers (mostly) go to bed early :P 21:57:07 * andythenorth -> bed 21:57:08 <andythenorth> good night 21:57:17 <Zuu> Now there will start a war betwen Graphics and AI folks.. 21:57:27 <Zuu> :-) 21:58:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:01:15 *** Swissfan91 [~Swissfan9@host-78-145-52-238.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 22:06:56 <appe> unt know, der glÃŒcken. 22:07:05 <Eddi|zuHause> whoaah... forum changes! 22:12:27 <SpComb> must reorganize! 22:13:27 <Wolf01> 'night 22:13:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:16:53 <TrueBrain> oeh, AIs have their own forum now ... wow :D 22:17:12 <Elukka> huh. someone said that YACD works fine for passengers and it's just industries it has trouble with 22:17:27 <Elukka> now if only it were possible to turn it off for FIRS industries... 22:17:32 <z-MaTRiX> go bed? with girls? 22:18:10 <z-MaTRiX> hah andy left 22:20:23 <appe> i tried to make a fun cover of the ottd track, i got bored and made this instead: http://fac.dndr.se/poo/new_dump/appe_plug-it-d.mp3 22:20:48 <appe> not related to ttd in any way, that is. 22:20:49 <appe> :< 22:23:09 <Eddi|zuHause> <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: you should change your 16/8 template now. 4/8 + 8/8 + 4/8 instead of 4/8 + 4/8 + 8/8 <-- we're currently at 4/8+4/8+4/8+4/8 22:27:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i'll need to review the whole movement pattern now :) 22:27:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and the sprite slicing, because now the glitches are more apparent 22:36:51 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has left #openttd [] 22:37:38 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 22:38:11 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r23291 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Feature: [NewGRF] Properties to always include/exclude cargo types from the refit mask. 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