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-i : i;} 09:21:48 <b_jonas> z-MaTRiX: who cares? most of the time, you'll be actually using the gcc builtin instead of that implementation. 09:22:13 <z-MaTRiX> well mentioned because it even lacks () 09:22:18 <z-MaTRiX> i<0 09:22:31 <z-MaTRiX> interesting 09:22:34 <b_jonas> why'd it need parens? 09:22:58 <z-MaTRiX> guys here were competing for shortest C-code 09:23:07 <z-MaTRiX> so its -4 bytes then 09:23:14 <z-MaTRiX> if possible 09:24:10 <z-MaTRiX> well i never tried it without () for example 09:24:11 <z-MaTRiX> ;/ 09:24:18 <z-MaTRiX> bad analogy 09:24:28 <z-MaTRiX> in bash you have [[ as a command 09:33:04 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:33:16 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-188-177.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:42:03 <dihedral> hello 09:43:04 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-139-103.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:48:51 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-214-90.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:55:28 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-188-177.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 09:59:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A0CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:01:02 *** Bowwwweee [02e221b7@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:01:30 <Bowwwweee> http://celebislegend.altervista.org/sito/ <-- visit this site! http://celebislegends.forumfree.it/ <-- and the forum 10:01:30 *** Bowwwweee [02e221b7@ircip2.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 10:01:39 <appe> uhm 10:01:45 <appe> what is that? 10:02:30 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!Bowwweee*@*.*] by planetmaker 10:03:08 <Noldo> it is spam 10:06:01 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@*226-33-183-ip179.fastwebnet.it] by planetmaker 10:09:09 *** Elu is now known as Elukka 10:12:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:23:36 <z-MaTRiX> .it, i'm not surprised ;> 10:32:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:32:23 <planetmaker> hm, still no new QC. He's slacking ;-) 10:36:16 <peter1138> :( 10:57:25 *** tparker [~tparker@2600:3c03::1d:4242] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:01:03 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111115183541]] 11:03:18 <dihedral> if it were a .gr i'd at least support the try in making money :-P 11:04:20 *** tparker [~tparker@beacon.prkr.us] has joined #openttd 11:09:02 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-15-213.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:06 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:31:20 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:42:49 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: Sla Mutant Co-Op for Renegade - coming back soon] 11:55:00 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: yexo * r23382 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Fix [FS#4845] (r23336): NewGRF window and content download window were always hidden under the saveload window 11:58:45 <Elukka> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DELIzlmuiNA 12:00:45 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23383 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/ (17 files in 5 dirs): -Update: bring Squirrel to 2.2.5; besides some nice bug fixes, it mostly solves the sort() issues 12:01:00 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23384 /trunk/ (23 files in 7 dirs): -Remove: no longer allow a binary to be without AI support; the parts some compilers failed at, are integrated in other parts of the code now too 12:01:26 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23385 /trunk/src/lang/ (50 files in 2 dirs): -Fix: remove now unused strings from all other languages too 12:01:36 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23386 /trunk/ (15 files in 6 dirs): -Fix: debug script related events to 'script' (removes 'ai') 12:01:54 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23387 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 4 dirs): -Fix: move ai.script_max_opcode_till_suspend to script.script_max_opcode_till_suspend 12:02:08 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23388 /trunk/src/lang/ (49 files in 2 dirs): -Fix: remove now unused strings from all other languages too 12:06:15 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: r23386 is most likely of some importance to you, as you were asking for it the other day ;) 12:27:00 *** Celestar [~dax@89.204.139.170] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:30:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:38:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:39:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 12:51:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:51:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 12:55:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:58:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 13:13:18 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:13:56 *** andythenorth 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#openttd 15:18:41 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.titanic-magazin.de/uploads/pics/01-U1-Titel-201112-Hitler_03.jpg <-- "Don't hang this picture at a Döner shop" :p 15:24:21 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p549474BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:21 *** TomyLobo2 is now known as TomyLobo 15:26:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:28:31 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 15:29:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 16:15:55 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:30:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:41:50 *** Joostlek [johndoe@5ED2F2F8.cm-7-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:42:08 <Joostlek> hoi 16:42:11 <Joostlek> sorry 16:42:12 <Joostlek> hello 16:42:43 <Rubidium> hi 16:43:01 <Joostlek> sorry i'm from the netherlands 16:43:07 <Joostlek> so i forget it 16:43:18 <Joostlek> but are there cheats for android 16:43:21 <Joostlek> for openttd 16:44:14 <blathijs> Joostlek: Hehe, The funny thing is that you, me and Rubidium are also Dutchies ;-) 16:44:26 <Joostlek> oke nederlands praten 16:44:34 <blathijs> Joostlek: It's CTRL+ALT+C normally, not sure how that would work on Android though 16:44:53 <blathijs> Joostlek: We prefer English, since there's a hundred more non-Dutchies in here as well :-)_ 16:44:56 <Rubidium> depends on whether those who ported OpenTTD to the android have cared to find some way to enter the normal hotkey for the cheat window 16:45:21 <Joostlek> i go to eat 16:45:30 <Joostlek> we have kipfilet a la romana 16:45:38 <Joostlek> heerlijk 16:45:41 <blathijs> :-) 16:45:49 <Joostlek> (idon't know how to say in english 16:45:54 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-39.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:57 <Joostlek> from bertoli 16:46:00 <blathijs> Rubidium: I don't suppose the Android porter is one from the official OpenTTD team, right? 16:46:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:47:00 <Rubidium> blathijs: I have no clue who did it, and I even think it being on the android market violates the android market's requirements 16:47:18 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-39.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:48:11 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 16:49:50 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08312e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A61A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:00:08 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc12-linl7-2-0-cust144.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:17:27 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has joined #openttd 17:31:12 <Joostlek> it's from pleya 17:31:26 <Joostlek> and kipfilet a la romana was dilicious 17:31:48 <Joostlek> i eat the bord off my brother and my sister and my father 17:34:51 <TrueBrain> plate, is the word ;) 17:40:18 * Rubidium goes for a French named dish, just to annoy Belugas ;) 17:40:35 <Rubidium> (and for some telly) 17:40:36 <planetmaker> quiche? 17:40:54 <Joostlek> ok 17:40:58 <Rubidium> d'oh ;) 17:41:02 <Belugas> quiche! 17:41:13 <Joostlek> was belugas 17:41:33 <Joostlek> whos playing minecraft 17:41:38 <Joostlek> and have hamacho77 17:41:44 <Joostlek> hamachi 17:41:46 <Joostlek> soory 17:42:11 *** Rezt [~Rezt@81-178-196-192.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 17:42:31 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:43:02 <Joostlek> who have hamachi and minecraft 17:44:29 <planetmaker> you should ask in a minecraft channel 17:44:34 <planetmaker> both is totally off-topic here 17:45:00 <Joostlek> but there isn't anybody at that channel 17:45:39 <planetmaker> I couldn't care less 17:46:27 <Joostlek> but do you have minecraft + hamachi 17:47:48 <planetmaker> no. And please ask in forums or channels where that is on-topic 17:48:23 <Joostlek> ok 17:48:26 <Joostlek> sorry 17:56:19 *** Joostlek [johndoe@5ED2F2F8.cm-7-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:08 *** Joostlek [johndoe@5ED2F2F8.cm-7-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:00:16 <Joostlek> hi 18:00:20 <Joostlek> already 18:04:39 <Eddi|zuHause> so... this atlantean campaign is definitely crazy :p 18:09:58 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:10:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:15:17 *** Rezt [~Rezt@81-178-196-192.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:23:01 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:23:55 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:29:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:30:14 <Wolf01> evening 18:30:19 <Alberth> hi Wolf01 18:30:44 <Wolf01> today I indroduced another job mate to OTTD :P 18:31:29 <Alberth> oh, you gave him something to do during the xmas holidays :p 18:32:58 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37:10 *** Joostlek [johndoe@5ED2F2F8.cm-7-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6B119.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:42:00 <Terkhen> hello 18:42:09 <planetmaker> hi Terkhen 18:42:51 <Wolf01> hello Terkhen 18:42:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r23390 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed) 18:42:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:42:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: belarusian - 2 changes by Wowanxm 18:42:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: dutch - 2 changes by habell 18:42:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: english_US - 2 changes by Rubidium 18:42:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: finnish - 2 changes by jpx_ 18:42:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: french - 2 changes by glx 18:43:47 <Terkhen> meh, I missed translations for just a few minutes 18:48:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A61A.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:51:50 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-179.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 19:05:02 *** collinp [~collin@h32.49.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 19:06:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:07:54 <andythenorth> efening 19:08:24 <Terkhen> hi andythenorth 19:08:34 <andythenorth> hi Terkhen how is the job? 19:08:43 * andythenorth had a job once 19:09:33 <Terkhen> right now we are taking a course, so I still don't know how is the job :P 19:10:34 <andythenorth> how is the Madrid? 19:10:58 <__ln__> not just a Madrid, but the? 19:11:19 <Terkhen> big :P 19:11:52 <Terkhen> I had no time to see much yet, last weekend I went back home to pick up more stuff 19:13:02 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc3e0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:13:20 <andythenorth> quak 19:14:02 <frosch123> moin 19:16:26 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:19:32 <Wolf01> hi frosch123 19:20:18 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 19:23:11 <Rubidium> frosch123: any remarks regarding an idea to change action 13 in grfv8 to name the language it overrides, so it can override to multiple languages? 19:24:49 <frosch123> makes sense 19:25:26 <frosch123> hmm, i also wondered about turning town effects into a translated cargo 19:25:37 <frosch123> so, new effects can be added :p 19:26:01 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-80-156.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:26:08 <planetmaker> makes also sense 19:28:27 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: and we have a similar discussion 3 years from now like about cargo classes? :p 19:29:17 *** Rezt [~Rezt@81-178-196-192.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 19:29:21 <Terkhen> I'm coding subsidy stuff now, should I wait? right now TE are still used to store stats of delivered cargo 19:29:27 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/action13_v8.diff (untested and such ;)) 19:29:55 <andythenorth> TE cargos 19:29:57 <andythenorth> meh 19:30:10 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: everyone said it is not a matter of the implementation 19:30:24 <frosch123> the new schema is the same as the old, just with more clear descriptions 19:30:42 <andythenorth> industry (cargo) newgrfs should *not* be specifying town effect 19:30:55 <andythenorth> I know they kind of have to for hysterical raisins, but it's dumb 19:30:58 <andythenorth> it's improper domain 19:31:06 <andythenorth> town effect is the domain of the town 19:31:12 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: yes, but it took very long to get there. and the "we can't remove 'hazardus' issue" doesn't goaway 19:31:54 <frosch123> Rubidium: looks fine 19:32:13 <frosch123> including positioning the code between grfid and numstr 19:32:37 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: does it matter? 19:32:58 <frosch123> when all 16 cc are defined, we add a cc translation table 19:33:01 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: it does in the sense of "we only have two classes free now" 19:33:26 <frosch123> when all var 40-5e slots are used, we add a variable translation table 19:38:10 <andythenorth> I want to deprecate town effect property for cargos 19:38:20 <andythenorth> I know you won't allow it, but the property is nonsense 19:38:29 <andythenorth> it's the Wrong Way To Do It 19:39:10 <frosch123> it's the way to communicate between newgrfs and gs 19:39:57 <frosch123> it's the job of gs guys to define new ones; newgrfs only have to provide them 19:40:05 <frosch123> so, nothing of your concern :p 19:40:15 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23391 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Feature: [NewGRF] Allow translating multiple languages with Action 13 in GRFv8 19:41:32 <frosch123> though maybe some cargos would require to supply multiple town effects at once 19:41:55 <andythenorth> possibly I misunderstand 19:42:22 <andythenorth> but how am I (any cargo author, not just my personal idiocy), supposed to set town effects, in order to be correct? 19:43:08 <frosch123> andythenorth: grf authors define cargo classes for refit-communication between cargo-defining grfs and vehicle grfs. we need town effects to communicate usages of cargos between cargo-defining grfs and gamescripts 19:43:28 <frosch123> town effects are not "grow" or "shrink" 19:43:49 <andythenorth> so the problem is, which cargos should get town effect? Some? All? None? 19:43:56 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-55.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:43:57 <andythenorth> There's no correct answer 19:44:04 <frosch123> they are services: "food supply", "water supply", "power supply", "waste disposal supply" 19:44:50 <andythenorth> those aren't the concern of the cargo grf though 19:44:59 <andythenorth> for the cargo set author, it's a no win situation 19:45:14 <andythenorth> might as well set town effect for every cargo, which means the property is redundany 19:45:21 <andythenorth> redundany? redundant 19:45:23 <frosch123> wrt. the latter two: we discussed the concept of "virtual cargos", which are produced by industries, but are not transportable with vehicles; they are transported directly to the nearest town 19:45:40 <andythenorth> should I read some logs before speaking more? 19:45:41 <andythenorth> :) 19:45:54 <frosch123> so, a powerplant would produce a virtual cargo "electricity" which has town effect "power" 19:46:26 <frosch123> "iron ore" otoh. has no town effect at all 19:46:32 <frosch123> at least none yet defined 19:46:52 <andythenorth> - at least none yet defined 19:46:54 <andythenorth> exactly 19:46:55 <planetmaker> 'dirt cover' ;-) 19:47:02 <frosch123> so, if you say you want to set a town effect to every cargo; you make no sense at all 19:47:07 <andythenorth> I'm being asked to predict the future 19:47:08 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: move "town effect" to industries/houses? 19:47:31 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: an industry/house would issue a "town effect" upon receiving the cargo 19:47:35 <andythenorth> town effect is the domain of towns, or houses 19:48:06 <Eddi|zuHause> so coal delivered to power station or house would yield "town effect: power", but coal delivered to steel mills wouldn't. 19:48:13 <frosch123> houses implicitly convert any cargo they accept into a town effect 19:48:32 <andythenorth> this sounds like a shortcut to how I thought town control would work: deliver cargo to an industry, industry sets a register value, town reads that, decides what to do 19:49:03 <Eddi|zuHause> PS: did we ever get anywhere with distributing delivered cargos over all accepting locations, not only the nearest one? 19:49:03 <frosch123> wrt. industries i meant my statement earlier vers similar to eddi's 19:49:23 <frosch123> the industry would even display how much effect it produces 19:50:19 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: not further than talking, I think :) 19:51:17 <Eddi|zuHause> well, YACD might do something like that 19:51:36 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: yacd does solve that, but probably by knowing the destination tile..? 19:56:58 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it would be nice to have that behaviour even when destinations are not used 19:57:08 <andythenorth> it was ruled out by Rubidium 19:57:17 <andythenorth> there's at least one forum thread about it 19:57:28 <Eddi|zuHause> and who put him in charge? ;p 19:58:21 <andythenorth> nobody else wants the job? :P 19:59:39 <andythenorth> so 'virtual cargos' ? 20:00:25 <Eddi|zuHause> would those go into the "special" cargo class? would they count against the 32 cargo limit? 20:00:29 <__ln__> would it be correct to assume that one can buy a RE+U-Bahn(Berlin) ticket from a DB vending machine? 20:01:04 <Elukka> is yacd still something that might be expected to get further development? 20:02:12 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: i'd say yes, but never tried. last time i used the U-Bahn-Berlin we bought tickets from a local vending machine in the U-Bahn station. 20:03:06 <__ln__> at least DB online search finds such routes, so that kind of hints they maybe sell such too. 20:03:53 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: berlin was divided into 3 circular zones there, you could buy A (center), A+B and A+B+C tickets valid for all modes of transportation 20:04:19 <Eddi|zuHause> where "center" is everything within the "S-Bahn-Ring" 20:04:56 <__ln__> and i think their tageskarte covers all possible zones where a tourist would want to go 20:04:57 <andythenorth> 'virtual cargos' would fail if they're in the 32 cargo limit 20:05:02 <andythenorth> what's the idea of them? 20:05:25 <Eddi|zuHause> most touristic locations would be in the "A" zone, yes 20:06:02 <__ln__> but i think the tageskarte was more than A 20:06:14 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: the interesting part would be whether the db search will give you a ticket price 20:06:42 <andythenorth> are virtual cargos approximately the same as agreeing to use certain town registers by convention? 20:06:46 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 20:06:54 <Alberth> andythenorth: so an industry that is a sink in terms of cargoes can produce something eg for a town 20:06:56 <__ln__> it won't, but it won't give a price for the RE alone either. 20:07:06 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: iirc we bought an A+B "Gruppentageskarte" 20:07:13 <Alberth> and afaik it can exist above the 32 cargo limit 20:07:32 <andythenorth> so my idea was that a power station would put 'electricity produced' onto a register, which was publicly known 20:07:40 <andythenorth> and maybe all grfs might behave the same by convention 20:07:43 <andythenorth> faint hope :P 20:08:02 <Alberth> aka hopeless :D 20:08:07 <Eddi|zuHause> that was apparently cheaper than 6 single tickets (3 persons, two ways) 20:08:17 <andythenorth> virtual cargos come to the same idea 20:08:32 <andythenorth> instead of register index, it's a cargo id, or ctt index 20:08:59 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: you're distracting us with your on-topic talk :p 20:09:10 <andythenorth> vehicles in vehicles 20:09:16 <andythenorth> etc 20:09:18 <andythenorth> :P 20:09:51 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: seems that even the cheaper tageskarte is AB 20:12:11 <__ln__> which comfortably also covers Tegel, but apparently not Schönefeld. 20:13:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Elukka: YACD's last state was that it has performance issues that can only be solved with major philosophy changes (like threading) 20:13:25 <Elukka> yeah, i remember that 20:13:29 <Elukka> kinda made it sound like it's dead :/ 20:13:40 <andythenorth> it works 20:13:45 <andythenorth> just eats battery 20:13:56 <Elukka> doesn't work very well at least for cargo 20:13:58 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: the problem with Tegel is that the U-Bahn connection never was built, so it's not connected to anything 20:14:13 <Elukka> and, well, since the switch to turn it off for cargo apparently doesn't work... 20:14:28 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@4.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 20:14:57 <Eddi|zuHause> schönefeld is pretty far outside, so that would likely be C 20:16:26 <Elukka> what yacd does is pretty much my #1 feature request for openttd so it's a real bummer if it can't be finished 20:16:47 <Eddi|zuHause> CargoDist applied some threading, but that is kinda completely different approach, so not sure if anything can be "rescued" from there 20:17:54 <__ln__> yes, C. the up-to-date map already has greyed-out continuing from Schönefeld to Flughafen Berlin-Brandenburg. 20:17:56 <Eddi|zuHause> YACD gives each packet a destination, while CargoDist is more of a probabilistic algorithm 20:18:31 <andythenorth> yacd is just a waiting game 20:18:34 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: isn't that still like 5-20 years away from being opened? 20:18:35 <andythenorth> bigger cpus... 20:18:51 <andythenorth> offload yacd to the graphics card :P 20:18:58 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: umm, i think it will be opened in June 2012, and Tegel closed at the same time. 20:19:08 <__ln__> dunno about the U-bahn line though 20:20:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Schönefeld should be accessible by S-Bahn 20:20:49 <planetmaker> last time I was there, it had a s-bahn connection 20:21:04 <planetmaker> but no operating airport ;-) 20:21:23 * __ln__ flies with Scandinavian Airlines, which operates at Tegel 20:27:23 <andythenorth> hmm 20:27:36 <andythenorth> in a truck set, you'll mostly use the biggest truck? 20:28:26 <Eddi|zuHause> depends 20:29:18 <Eddi|zuHause> if you have YACD/CargoDist you might want smaller trucks, but lots of them 20:29:27 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> resistance.oftc.net quits: jonty-comp, Vadtec, @orudge, Elukka, Born_Acorn, b_jonas, ptr_, eQualizer, Hawson, Noldo, (+10 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 20:29:55 <andythenorth> hmm 20:30:05 <andythenorth> also there's really no gain to 4x4 or 6x6 trucks? 20:30:16 <andythenorth> I could cheat TE to give them an advantage hill climbing 20:31:06 *** Netsplit over, joins: collinp, Sacro, jonty-comp, @orudge, EyeMWing, Born_Acorn, ptr_, Elukka, lugo, Arkabzol (+10 more) 20:35:00 *** NicoNet2k [~Chris@cpe-76-188-161-222.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:22 *** NicoNet2k [~Chris@cpe-76-188-161-222.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:37:16 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: usually more axles allows more cargo (with same weight per axle 20:37:30 <andythenorth> yup 20:37:44 <andythenorth> but more driven axles makes no difference to total cargo 20:37:53 <andythenorth> except in poor traction conditions :P 20:38:11 *** nicfer [~Administr@190.50.46.104] has joined #openttd 20:38:25 <nicfer> hi 20:38:27 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the same problem that snail had with his rack rail 20:38:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it makes almost no difference 20:39:57 <andythenorth> it would be relevant with roadtypes 20:40:00 <andythenorth> but not otherwise 20:40:13 <andythenorth> same reason I've left a number of vehicles out of HEQS 20:40:15 <andythenorth> no gain :P 20:40:42 <andythenorth> we should lower co-efficient of friction above snowline in arctic 20:40:48 <Eddi|zuHause> be glad: you have an excellent way to reduce the length of the purchase list :) 20:40:50 <andythenorth> and when the tile is desert :P 20:41:18 <nicfer> anyone knows a grf that merges or deletes monorail and maglev? 20:41:35 <Eddi|zuHause> nicfer: practically all grfs do that 20:42:48 <nicfer> and most of them are too clogged with similar trains 20:43:07 * andythenorth ponders 20:43:07 <Eddi|zuHause> don't use the 2cc set then :p 20:43:14 <andythenorth> got an idea 20:43:33 <andythenorth> new property that merges 2 vehicles into one buy menu entry 20:43:42 <andythenorth> with new buy buttons 20:43:46 <andythenorth> 'build articulated' 20:43:50 <andythenorth> 'build non-articulated' 20:44:00 <nicfer> for rvs? 20:44:40 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: needs a rethink of the buy menu (like select cargo, etc.) 20:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: but that might also simplify the trams, if you could read that value during the articulated callback 20:45:53 *** Maarten__ [~dutchusa@99-73-209-18.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 20:45:54 <andythenorth> most trucks should have the option for trailers 20:46:22 <andythenorth> duplicating every truck for the buy menu is an unpleasant route 20:46:42 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6D99B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:46:51 <nicfer> you mean being able to build them like trains? 20:46:57 <andythenorth> no 20:47:07 <andythenorth> I mean a new method 20:47:20 <andythenorth> extra buttons in the buy menu 20:47:50 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: it already gets complicated if you factor in autoreplace gui 20:47:58 <Zuu> Does GameScripts have a short name domain of its own or must GS short names not conflict with AI short names? 20:48:49 <andythenorth> hmm, autoreplace could have two buttons as well 20:49:32 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: but what if you want to keep the trailer for the replacement only if the original has a trailer? 20:50:03 *** Maarten_ [~dutchusa@99-73-209-18.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:16 <nicfer> I've got an idea for the online content window 20:50:23 <Eddi|zuHause> if you had a selection similar to the one in the buy menu, you could only replace all with trailer or all without, not mixed 20:50:45 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: logic on auto-replace? 20:50:52 <andythenorth> write scripts, if/else 20:51:17 <nicfer> newgrfs should be differentiated between 'trainsets', 'aircraft sets', etc., so it's easier to search them 20:51:33 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: well, autoreplace could also "guess" the target, like it currently does with cargo subtypes 20:51:56 <Eddi|zuHause> nicfer: you have tags for that 20:52:11 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: actually autoreplace kind of...doesn't 20:52:17 <andythenorth> at least in my tests :) 20:52:31 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: well you're not doing it right :) 20:52:36 <andythenorth> HEQS with new, common subtypes still fails for auto-replace 20:53:01 <Eddi|zuHause> make a bug report? 20:53:06 <andythenorth> I should indeed 20:53:14 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 20:53:26 <andythenorth> also - wrt cargos - we could 'remove' hazardous for YACS 20:53:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:53:38 <andythenorth> i.e. YACS is a spec that grfs conform to or don't 20:54:01 <andythenorth> as the game spec is somewhat unopinionated about cargos 20:55:33 <andythenorth> ECS has a bit defined for hazardous, but treat YACS as subset of ECS 20:58:28 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-59-149.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:59:33 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@4.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111104165243]] 20:59:40 <Terkhen> good night 21:00:08 <Alberth> good night 21:02:24 <planetmaker> g'night you two 21:06:10 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:14:43 * Rubidium wonders what he ruled out ;) 21:15:00 <andythenorth> round-robin distribution of cargo to accepting industries 21:25:20 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111115183541]] 21:29:26 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc12-linl7-2-0-cust144.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 21:31:40 *** Rezt [~Rezt@81-178-196-192.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:34:18 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 21:44:47 <Eddi|zuHause> random topic: maybe nml could ignore the values of colour indices 0xD7..0xE2 when determining whether it's the dos palette? that way, artists could set them to other colours for easier drawing 21:46:24 <Eddi|zuHause> (or we add some ImageMagick or GIMP script that replaces those colours in the Makefile) 21:48:30 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:48:40 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-103-88.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:48:49 <Hirundo> Eddi|zuHause: What's wrong with using shades of gray for that purpose? 21:50:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Hirundo: we need a way to separate colours that should be kept "as is" from colours that should be recoloured. 21:50:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Hirundo: in a way that is generic enough for all vehicles 21:50:46 <Eddi|zuHause> indices 0xD7..0xE2 are "magic pink" 21:50:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. never used in real sprites 21:51:22 <Hirundo> Is there no colour range so ugly that you'll never use it anyway? 21:51:53 <Eddi|zuHause> GermanRV uses "normal pink", the Dutch set proposes to use the fire cycle 21:53:27 <Yexo> <Eddi|zuHause> random topic: maybe nml could ignore the values of colour indices 0xD7..0xE2 when determining whether it's the dos palette? that way, artists could set them to other colours for easier drawing <- sounds like a good suggestion 21:55:28 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-188-177.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... 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