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00:01:34 <Markk> Good evening everyone. :) 00:02:13 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@D5225594.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:02:33 <Markk> Is there yet any NewGRF:s for subway stations (or train stations overall) that are underground? 00:03:22 <Markk> I have a weak memory of that but can't remember if it was a "real" underground station or just a station that looked like it was underground. 00:03:50 <Markk> (A station that had some houses on top of it that was just there for the looks) 00:04:18 <fjb|tab> Real underground is not possible. 00:06:16 <Wolf01> 'night 00:06:20 <Eddi|zuHause> there was only a fake undergound station as "new object" 00:06:24 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:06:57 <Markk> Mkay, is OpenTTD coded that way and GRF:s can't make an underground station? 00:07:09 <Markk> Eddi|zuHause: ah, I think that is the one I'm thinking of 00:07:10 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 00:07:30 <Markk> Which GRF was that? 00:07:35 <Markk> s/was/is/ 00:08:02 <Markk> eGRVTS maybe? 00:08:08 <Eddi|zuHause> no idea 00:08:26 <Eddi|zuHause> mo, that one definitely not 00:08:43 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFF0C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08:48 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFF0C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:09:24 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111115183541]] 00:10:57 <Markk> Mkay, I'll continue to look around. :) 00:11:10 <Markk> Thanks for the update though Eddi|zuHause. :) 00:14:12 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-30-18.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 00:14:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19F56.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 00:14:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19F56.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:15:45 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-69-61.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 00:16:01 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4cb0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:16:46 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08e809.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 00:22:02 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-252-236.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:23:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19F56.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:34:23 <TrueBrain> Zuu: no, I haven't made any updates yet; I have it ready, but I was waiting to finish something else before I push 00:34:32 <TrueBrain> but I have been away all day; will do it tomorrow :) 00:36:08 *** dlr365 [~Doug@d142-59-83-184.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 01:05:59 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 01:07:13 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-145-74.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:13:02 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 01:19:03 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.209.121] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:23:33 *** SystemParadox [~simon@proxima.systemparadox.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:27:48 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-30-18.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 01:31:59 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 01:32:50 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.209.121] has joined #openttd 01:33:07 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has left #openttd [] 01:41:57 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:48:42 *** mib_b73n0y [4f65e741@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:49:23 *** mib_b73n0y [4f65e741@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 02:03:41 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.209.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:51:23 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:e80b:f46:e80b:61e5] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:55:34 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 03:20:53 <DemeGeek> openttd.cfg goes in /usr/share/games/openttd/ right? 04:53:56 *** dlr365 [~Doug@d142-59-83-184.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:52:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73B08.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:52:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73A22.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:07:00 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p4FC23C52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:38:21 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.32.29.238] has joined #openttd 06:38:38 <Rubidium> DemeGeek: that's generally not a good location for the configuration file due to issues with file rights 06:58:40 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:59:13 *** DemeGeek [~demegeek@S0106e0cb4ee182cb.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:19:01 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 07:20:42 *** kkable [~kkable@119.194.161.74] has joined #openttd 08:01:27 *** kkable [~kkable@119.194.161.74] has quit [Quit: ì ìŽë§ ê°ëë€.] 08:08:43 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:09:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:10:36 <andythenorth> morniks 08:10:40 <andythenorth> I assume 08:11:07 <Rubidium> oi andy 08:11:49 * andythenorth compiles trunk 08:11:52 <andythenorth> for a game 08:14:29 <Rubidium> how LISBOA? ;) 08:14:34 <Rubidium> +is 08:19:48 * andythenorth is experimenting with a reduced sleep regime 08:20:01 <andythenorth> for health reasons only :P 08:33:18 <andythenorth> hmm 08:33:23 <andythenorth> a better UK road set is needed 08:36:31 <planetmaker> moin 08:39:01 <andythenorth> hola 08:43:35 <andythenorth> how much extra storage would delivered cargo history for industries require? 08:45:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A8C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:50:35 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:53:30 <planetmaker> andythenorth: FIRS currently stores this and last month in the perm. storage 08:53:57 <andythenorth> this would need to be provided by the game imho 08:54:06 <andythenorth> for a stats GUI ;) 08:54:08 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-000-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:54:21 <planetmaker> well... it would use 3 words 08:54:28 <andythenorth> and you'd probably want it by company... 08:54:30 <andythenorth> meh 08:54:54 <planetmaker> per industry and company? Nah, that's uninteresting for the industry really 08:56:11 <andythenorth> it's more for the player 08:56:12 <andythenorth> stat porn 08:56:56 <planetmaker> the industry doesn't know where it gets cargo from 08:57:02 <planetmaker> nor should it 09:11:26 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 09:12:38 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has left #openttd [] 09:16:08 * andythenorth finds a use for auto-refit 09:16:10 <andythenorth> yay 09:34:34 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-236.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 09:43:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:54:18 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.32.29.238] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:54:32 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:54:35 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 09:55:40 <Terkhen> good morning 09:58:32 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.32.29.238] has joined #openttd 10:03:04 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:03:32 <fjb|tab> Moin. 10:06:25 <Alberth> moin fjb|tab 10:06:49 <fjb|tab> Moin Alberth. 10:08:24 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host86-132-25-228.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:18:00 <LordAro> morning all 10:20:29 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-30-18.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:33:28 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.209.121] has joined #openttd 10:43:00 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@D5225594.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 10:48:46 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 10:48:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:49:13 <Wolf01> hello o/ 10:49:21 <Alberth> o/ 10:52:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:53:22 <Alberth> moin andy 10:57:26 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-30-18.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 10:58:19 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 11:05:33 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111115183541]] 11:10:45 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-26-148.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 11:11:01 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.32.29.238] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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But now it works. (if you were refering to nogo) 12:56:33 <Rubidium> no, the stable release branch ;) 12:57:30 <Zuu> Oh, but one doesn't have a dash. In addition it is even supported on the client side. 12:58:51 <Zuu> I have a special case for hg revisions and other things that I didn't think of when I wrote the program. It is in this code where I hand this problem, so it doesn't even affect the official realeases. 13:03:36 <LordAro> woo, edge cases :) 13:04:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:19:46 <Alberth> programming is all about covering all edge cases :) 13:20:43 <frosch123> though sometimes only about covering all edge cases you expect the customer to test 13:20:45 <frosch123> :p 13:40:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:41:18 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-26-148.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:55:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:00:51 <TrueBrain> Zuu: just remember that nogo-1.0 is something I made up :p I know others use name_version (_ instead of -) :P 14:00:58 <TrueBrain> it is nowhere near official or anything :) 14:07:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:22:50 *** Pinkbeast [damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:33:07 *** dlr365 [~Doug@d142-59-83-184.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 14:35:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:05:52 <Zuu> TrueBrain: I know, and at some point someone will make something up that will break the current rules... 15:07:10 <TrueBrain> :D 15:07:18 <TrueBrain> now you are just challening me :D 15:07:27 <Zuu> hehe :-p 15:07:45 <Zuu> Eg -r1, -r2, etc. would break the current rules. 15:08:20 <Zuu> or even -1 -2 -3 etc. 15:08:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:09:20 <Zuu> The hardest would be someone using named versions like eg -orange -banana .. etc. 15:09:52 <valhallasw> as long as it's alphabetical ;-) 15:10:22 <Eddi|zuHause> what if you reach version 26? 15:10:38 <TrueBrain> Zuu: sounds like a plan :D 15:11:13 <Zuu> in that case I would need to check if client/finger both has something after a dash and in that case not strip it away. (or just strip away if one source misses it) 15:12:02 <Zuu> ... or suggest that cargodist is fixed to include -cd in both sources :-) 15:23:41 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:24:36 <kais58> anyone know how to setup newgrfs for a dedicated server? 15:25:20 <V453000> create a savegame in single player and then load the savegame on the server 15:25:30 <Alberth> make a config with a normal version, and move it to the server 15:26:01 <kais58> ok, thanks 15:27:11 * andythenorth wonders if CHIPS is broken with AIs 15:27:51 <LordAro> i think nocab uses newgrf stations 15:28:36 <LordAro> possibly AIAI too 15:42:31 <Zuu> There is a AI API to build cargo specific stations. It probably takes a cargo id/type as argument in addition to the usual arguments. 15:43:33 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host86-132-25-228.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:23 <Yexo> andythenorth: CHIPS is not broken, we just never implemented cb 16 15:44:29 <andythenorth> ta fa 15:44:33 <Yexo> ehm, 18 15:44:35 <andythenorth> and the mystery was solved :) 15:44:55 <Yexo> main problem with that callback: the only useful information we get is the cargo type 15:45:07 <Yexo> CHIPS stations don't really depend on the cargo type, but ore on the industry 15:45:20 <andythenorth> tis true 15:45:24 <Yexo> but we only get the substitute type in case of newgrf industries 15:45:34 <Yexo> that means we can't properly match the ground type to the industry 15:45:50 <Yexo> unless FIRS was changed so the substitute industry type would depend on the ground type the industry has 15:45:50 <andythenorth> doesn't matter to me :P 15:45:59 <Yexo> but that's abuse of the substitute type 15:46:10 <andythenorth> I don't play with AI on 15:46:23 <Yexo> if you don't care about matching groundtypes, a simple cb 18 implementation that always returns the same station type would be simple 15:46:28 * andythenorth exhibits "I'm alright Jack" attitude :D 15:51:11 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 15:53:53 *** guru3_ [~guru3@81-235-164-123-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 15:53:53 *** guru3 [~guru3@81-235-164-123-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58:50 *** snorre_ [~snorre@c1A0FBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 16:00:37 *** snorre [~snorre@c1A0FBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:06:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:06:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 16:14:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:26:14 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:37:04 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:03 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@95-28-29-156.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 16:39:50 * Zuu is amazed that cloning of vehicels appear to have been broken for several days before it got reported/fixed 16:40:38 <frosch123> actually i encountered it myself yesterday :p it was repored while i was fixing it :p 16:40:50 <Zuu> :-) 16:41:12 <Alberth> not many people playing nightlies, I guess 16:41:13 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-28-29-156.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:28 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 16:42:03 <Zuu> at least not between the weekends 16:46:08 *** frick [440346ea@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:46:41 <frick> How does a road vehicle pick up resources from a train station, and more importantly, CAN it? 16:46:53 <Zuu> Using transfer orders 16:47:05 <Zuu> Actually, it is the train that should use the transfer order. 16:47:22 <Zuu> If you want to transfer cargo from a train to the truck that is. 16:47:24 <Rubidium> and make sure the road stop and station are part of the same station, i.e. they have the same name 16:47:27 <Terkhen> frick: http://wiki.openttd.org/Feeder_service 16:47:32 <Rubidium> s/name/flag/ 16:47:46 <Rubidium> and the station flag should have a train and truck icon before the name 16:48:17 <Zuu> You can use ctrl+click when building the second station and select the first one in the list that pops up. 16:48:27 <Zuu> Another way is to build the second station adjacent to the first one. 16:48:47 <frick> Thanks! 16:48:57 <frick> Finally, an IRC channel where people answer -_- 16:55:47 <Terkhen> depends on the time you ask :P 16:56:02 <Terkhen> people coming at night (in europe) usually don't have much luck 17:13:52 * TrueBrain kick CIA-6 17:18:56 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4d0ce9a5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:31 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4d0ce9a5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25:45 *** fonsinchen__ [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ce9a5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:26:08 *** fonsinchen__ is now known as fonsinchen 17:26:47 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:28:43 *** DarkSun [~ircap@45.99.60.213.static.mundo-r.com] has joined #openttd 17:29:50 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-30-18.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:31:29 *** DarkSun [~ircap@45.99.60.213.static.mundo-r.com] has quit [autokilled: This host violated network policy. 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(2011-12-18 17:35:30)] 17:32:34 <kais58> is a UDP connection to the server required for newgrfs to work? 17:33:22 <Eddi|zuHause> no 17:34:26 <Eddi|zuHause> UDP is only used for getting the server list and server info. after you click "join server", everything is TCP 17:35:07 <kais58> thanks 17:43:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:01:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 18:02:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:15:54 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@95-89-244-199-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 18:16:11 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-26-148.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:16:58 <IchGuckLive> hi all after 13 years of hard work i managed to get all places connected and own 10mio what whoudt be the next step 18:17:43 <IchGuckLive> i guess get all factorys and buyable industries to the citys 18:18:15 <IchGuckLive> getting the production above 80% 18:18:37 <IchGuckLive> and try to fill the hole map ? 18:20:30 <Eddi|zuHause> get all industries to maximum production (for mines this is something around 2000-4000, for factories it's something around 25000-35000) 18:21:09 <IchGuckLive> what shoudt i spend the money most 18:24:45 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08f10d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:26:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:29:44 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:33 *** frick [440346ea@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:45:56 <Alberth> you can also use the cheat to get rid of excess money :p 18:46:16 <valhallasw> or build some awesome tunnels from one side of the map to the other 18:46:19 <IchGuckLive> B) 18:48:42 <Eddi|zuHause> once upon a time those gave negative costs :p 18:48:50 *** dlr365 [~Doug@d142-59-83-184.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:49:15 <Eddi|zuHause> (i used this once because my money overflowed) 18:51:42 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... openttd: /home/johannes/spiele/OpenTTD/trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp:2086: Town* AirportGetNearestTown(const AirportSpec*, byte, TileIndex): Assertion `layout < as->num_table' failed. 18:51:53 <Eddi|zuHause> trying to load a TTD/TTO savegame 18:52:37 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.4.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:07 <frosch123> oilrig conversion broken again? 18:53:11 <TrueBrain> TTD, TTO or TTDp? :) 18:54:00 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.4.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 18:54:45 <frosch123> hmm, i can load a tto game with oilrigs 18:55:07 <TrueBrain> I guess if he links the savegame, it would be easiest so solve ;) 18:55:27 <TrueBrain> so? to! 18:55:33 <TrueBrain> they are not even close to eachother .. 18:55:33 <frosch123> hmm, its a ttd game, no tto 18:55:49 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@95-89-244-199-dynip.superkabel.de] has left #openttd [] 18:57:12 <Eddi|zuHause> how do i identify the savegame file? 18:58:36 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:58:54 <frosch123> no idea 18:59:02 <frosch123> move them to different dirs? 19:01:41 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-30-18.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 19:03:14 <Eddi|zuHause> it should possibly display the filename in the info field :p 19:04:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:09:13 <Rubidium> -dsl? 19:09:34 <Rubidium> might tell the filename 19:09:58 <Eddi|zuHause> looks like updating trunk fixed it, though 19:10:55 <frosch123> yeah, we had some bug like that 3 week ago :p 19:15:01 <Eddi|zuHause> tiles under bridges get converted to dirt, not grass 19:15:55 <Eddi|zuHause> anything we can do to "fix" the "broken" town names? 19:16:28 <Eddi|zuHause> (i.e. implement a (hidden) town name generator that reproduces the old names?) 19:18:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and what happened to my static newgrfs? 19:20:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.167.2] has joined #openttd 19:20:30 <Eddi|zuHause> this is almost definitely a bug: TTO savegames don't get static newgrfs 19:25:03 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:26:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6AB71.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:28:57 <Eddi|zuHause> and shouldn't the rails get converted to electric automatically? 19:30:08 <frosch123> there is a disable elrail setting 19:31:31 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 19:48:14 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:53:59 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's not enabled, as far as i can tell 19:54:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:55:36 <TrueBrain> Zuu: NoGo 1.3 is being compiled now. Contains the new widget names and some 'extra' :D Only thing left to do: Tutorial-gui thingy, and you can make a nice tutorial script :D Although you already can do it for most part ;) 19:56:04 <Zuu> 1.3? where did 1.2 go? 19:56:29 <TrueBrain> I fucked up :D 19:56:38 <TrueBrain> forgot the 'bump' patch, so 1.2 is broken beyond believe :P 19:57:20 <Zuu> okay, sure I did silly things with CluelessPlus 31 so I had to make 32 directly after. :-) 19:57:54 <TrueBrain> it happens :D 19:58:09 <TrueBrain> and please do try the translation stuff Rubidium mostly made available :D:D 19:58:16 <TrueBrain> as far as I can see, it works very very well, but .. I am biased :P 19:59:48 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-166-96.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 19:59:51 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ce9a5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:33 <Alberth> TrueBrain: do as people do in the first forum posts: "reserved for future use" :) 20:02:53 <TrueBrain> for what? :P 20:02:59 <TrueBrain> I never understand those posts :P 20:03:49 <Eddi|zuHause> those are usually to work around the three-attachments-limit 20:03:52 <Zuu> If you have moderator powres I gues you can insert a post there if you need to post more than 3 files at the beginning :-) 20:04:44 <Eddi|zuHause> you could instead just make a new post, and link to the attachments from the first post 20:05:12 <TrueBrain> I have no attachments .... 20:05:19 <TrueBrain> I dont know why Alberth said it (out of the blue for me :P) 20:06:19 * Alberth was thinking to claim 1.2 "for future use" :) 20:06:35 <Rubidium> yeah, openttd 1.2 ofcourse ;) 20:06:46 <TrueBrain> lol @ Alberth 20:06:50 <TrueBrain> "veel verder gedacht dan ik" :D 20:07:03 <Zuu> Rubidium: So now OpenTTD 1.3 will be impossible? 20:08:48 <Zuu> Sounds interesting with translations transmitted over the network. @ NoGo 1.3 20:11:27 <TrueBrain> it is :P 20:18:01 <Eddi|zuHause> we seriously need to improve nmlc's performance... 20:20:40 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111115183541]] 20:25:44 <Zuu> Hmm, when starting a new NoGo game with 1.3 I had it crash at first step in world generation. Will upload the crash.* files. 20:26:08 <Zuu> Or should I compile myself to have the debugger? 20:26:17 <Zuu> (I used the bananas binary) 20:27:40 <Zuu> It is possible that there is a bug in my code, as I only started OpenTTD after having done some coding myself. 20:30:25 <glx> Zuu: windows ? 20:30:29 <Zuu> yes 20:30:51 <glx> then the pdb is available at the same place as you got the exe :) 20:32:15 <glx> on binaries.openttd.org custom/nogo/nogo-1.3 20:33:27 <Zuu> Yes. Though, I have always found it easier to compile + debug live than using the dump+pdb files. 20:34:03 <glx> dump+pdb is nice to get an idea of what failed 20:35:20 <appe> did anyone of you guys play E.V.O recently? 20:45:32 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 20:49:08 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.209.121] has joined #openttd 20:53:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:54:37 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-28-29-156.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:06:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:08:43 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:09:01 *** TWerkhoven2[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:09:04 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:15:49 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:01 *** TWerkhoven2[l] is now known as TWerkhoven[l] 21:19:47 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:20:03 <TrueBrain> Zuu: without a translation, GS crashes :D 21:20:15 <TrueBrain> I tested it on all changes, except the last :D 21:20:30 <Zuu> Oh, so that's why 21:20:50 <TrueBrain> at least, that crashes here directly :P 21:20:55 <TrueBrain> haven't loaded your dmp yet 21:21:01 <TrueBrain> dunno if you have a backtrace? 21:22:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:54 <Zuu> I can create one if you wants that. (I only have to start OpenTTD and select a GS without translations) 21:24:13 <Zuu> After adding a lang directory and an empty english.txt it did not crash. 21:24:14 <TrueBrain> that backtrace I ahve :) 21:24:20 <TrueBrain> k k :) 21:24:23 <TrueBrain> then that is the same ;) 21:45:47 <Eddi|zuHause> now i almost certainly refactored it to death :p 21:47:43 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:52:34 <frosch123> night 21:52:39 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd914.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:00 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 22:03:01 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 22:08:03 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: Sla Mutant Co-Op for Renegade - coming back soon] 22:11:39 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@D5225594.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:16:46 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-236.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:24:28 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-30-18.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:26:45 <Zuu> TrueBrain: In the docs only some of the Widget enums that show at the top are clickable. Those that aren't don't show up at the end. They also seem to not exist in OpenTTD. 22:26:50 <Zuu> At least this code did not work: 22:26:51 <Zuu> main_instance.AddStep(GUIHighlightStep(GSWindow.WC_MAIN_TOOLBAR, GSWindow.TBN_ROADS)); 22:27:06 <Zuu> It complained that TBN_ROADS doesn't exist. 22:27:45 <TrueBrain> Zuu: check the naming 22:27:49 <TrueBrain> like I said, we changed the naming heavily 22:27:58 <TrueBrain> owh, I should update the docs I guess :D 22:28:39 <Zuu> I know that you have updated the naming, that's why I waited for 1.3, but aparently the docs was not updated yet :-) 22:29:02 <TrueBrain> Zuu: been kept busy by some devs with bugs and coding style :D 22:29:54 <Terkhen> good night 22:32:18 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 22:33:48 <TrueBrain> Zuu: 2 things just happened. 1) I did update the docs (sorry sorry sorry sorry) 22:33:51 <TrueBrain> 2) I released 1.4 :P 22:38:53 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-30-18.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 22:39:18 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-166-96.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 22:41:25 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p4FC23C52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 22:48:52 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23587 /trunk/src/strgen/strgen_base.cpp: -Fix-ish: MSVC warnings in case strgen would be in the main project file 22:49:38 <TrueBrain> lol @ CIA-6 22:49:40 <TrueBrain> YOU ARE SLOW 22:50:00 <Zuu> TrueBrain: Why can I highlight the main toolbar using window = 0, but the event has window = 1? 22:53:15 <TrueBrain> sorry? 22:53:19 <TrueBrain> I don't follow? 22:53:25 <TrueBrain> the click event? 22:53:28 <Zuu> yes 22:53:35 <TrueBrain> that is weird 22:53:58 <Zuu> It seems that I don't get events for non-highlighted buttons, so as long as I only highlight one, I should be safe to just ignore the window in the event. 22:54:34 <Zuu> Another thing is that after the user has clicked on the road toolbar button, it keeps flashing. 22:54:55 <Zuu> I don't know if the issue is related to the fact that it opens a menu. 22:55:22 <TrueBrain> by documentation, the event only triggers on highlights, yes 22:55:34 <Zuu> hmm, probably not, as the event is fired when you press down the mouse button. 22:55:36 <TrueBrain> flashing only stops if you tell it to :) 22:56:01 <Zuu> Using Close? 22:56:10 <Zuu> Or calling Highlight again? 22:56:11 <TrueBrain> highlight with color invalid 22:57:20 <TrueBrain> butI guess it would make sense to stop the highlight when you click on it 22:58:28 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.73.76] has joined #openttd 22:58:53 <Zuu> No problem for me to do that in the event handler now that I know how to do it. :-) 22:59:05 <TrueBrain> it is documented ;) 22:59:16 <Zuu> I found it out now when you said so. 23:01:20 <Zuu> But you did get my point with Highlight(window, 0, widget, TC_YELLOW) and then in the event the window number is 1. 23:01:39 <Zuu> where in this case the window is the main toolbar and the button is the road button. 23:02:30 <TrueBrain> class / number / index, it should be correct 23:03:00 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:03:24 <TrueBrain> it you can give me a simple test GS, that would be very helpful 23:07:12 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:08:40 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:47 <Zuu> sorry, I just read the docs wrong. Didn't saw the GetWindowClass function of the event and though that the WindowNumber function was the window id/class. 23:15:33 <TrueBrain> why do I write documentation :P :P Hihi :) 23:15:40 <TrueBrain> how come you misread? The documentation unclear, or? 23:15:42 <Zuu> I did read it, just wrong :-) 23:16:19 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest20785 23:16:20 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFF0C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:16:31 *** Guest20785 [~frank@p5DDFF0C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:39 <Zuu> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/nogo/docs/classGSEventWindowWidgetClick.html <-- no padding (non-bold text) between first and second member causing me to only read the last two items I think. 23:16:48 <TrueBrain> yeah 23:16:50 <TrueBrain> I can see that 23:16:57 <TrueBrain> hard to fix, sadly 23:17:00 <TrueBrain> but I understand 23:17:52 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-000-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 23:17:58 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.209.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:11 <Zuu> And probably because I've lately worked with another window/widget toolkit (wxWidgets) which doesn't have window "class" in the core. 23:19:36 <TrueBrain> hehe :D 23:20:08 <Wolf01> 'night 23:20:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:21:40 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest20786 23:21:41 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD133.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:22:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:24:21 *** Guest20786 [~frank@p5DDFF0C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:24:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A8C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:54 <TrueBrain> night 23:37:40 <Zuu> How does one know which window number to use? Is there a pattern or does a GS have to scann over 0 to n for a given window class to figure out which window number to use? 23:42:31 <Yexo> you'll have to read the source code 23:44:14 <Zuu> Okay 23:46:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host31-52-92-73.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:57:16 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r23588 /trunk/src/ (12 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: use the 'final' keyword so compiler can optimise out some indirect calls