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laws of chance? 09:17:47 <andythenorth> also 09:17:59 <andythenorth> I can't create an RV with >1 trailer using nml 09:18:02 <andythenorth> dunno why 09:18:09 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3405 09:18:45 <Eddi|zuHause> that should work 09:19:50 <andythenorth> I think so too 09:20:40 <andythenorth> the interesting thing is that it flat out doesn't 09:21:42 *** vargadanis [vargadanis@catv-89-135-23-65.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 09:28:47 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: most likely cause though is that you're not actually using that code, but some other code := 09:29:57 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, bye... 09:30:34 <andythenorth> bye 09:31:28 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-4-118.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:31:48 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:36:27 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-152-111.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:53:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A199.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:16:57 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6E49A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:18:36 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6E49A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 10:39:01 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:45:36 <vargadanis> hola everyone 10:47:10 *** vargadanis [vargadanis@catv-89-135-23-65.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:47:20 *** Dani_ [vargadanis@catv-89-135-23-65.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 10:47:27 *** Dani_ is now known as vargadanis 10:47:34 <vargadanis> woot! 10:49:38 <Alberth> hi 10:51:53 <Terkhen> hi 11:17:24 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:19:32 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host217-43-110-45.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:19:43 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 11:20:00 <LordAro> mornings 11:20:28 <vargadanis> is it possible to upgrade that magneto thingie train track to meglev? 11:21:50 <Terkhen> hi LordAro 11:21:55 <Terkhen> what is the simplest way to cause a segmentation fault? 11:22:04 <Terkhen> vargadanis: depends on what is a magneto thingie 11:22:05 <LordAro> hi Terkhen 11:22:14 <LordAro> apply 1 of my patches :D 11:22:19 <vargadanis> Terkhen, what 3rd type of train track that comes after electric 11:22:53 <LordAro> that would be monorail 11:22:57 <vargadanis> char *c; c = 0xcee; 11:23:04 <vargadanis> you got segfault :) 11:23:37 <vargadanis> or rather: char *c; *c = 'a'; :) 11:24:34 <vargadanis> so monorail and meglev aren't upgradable ? 11:25:21 <Terkhen> you can upgrade and downgrade the rails easily 11:25:49 <vargadanis> afk a little 11:25:58 *** vargadanis is now known as vargadanis|afk20 11:27:45 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-95-95.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 11:36:17 *** DDR [~DDR@142.179.78.88] has quit [Quit: In democracy it's your vote that counts; In feudalism it's your count that votes. - Mogens Jallberg] 11:48:14 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 11:55:33 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@88.128.87.138] has joined #openttd 12:09:41 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p4FC22FB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 12:28:25 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFF4B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29:13 <Ammler> How does "visit website" on the GUI work, this is always grey here 12:30:37 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFF4B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:30:44 <TWerkhoven[l]> newgrf? 12:30:51 <TrueBrain> AI? 12:35:24 <LordAro> Ammler: this sort of thing: http://hg.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-rv/rev/0e6269f2cfa2 12:37:44 <planetmaker> Ammler: it needs an action14 entry 12:37:52 <planetmaker> within the NewGRF 12:38:19 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:39:38 <TrueBrain> it needs a GetURL 12:39:40 <TrueBrain> within the AI 12:39:41 <TrueBrain> :P 12:40:38 <Ammler> hmm, also ogfx-rv has a "grey" visit website button 12:41:17 <planetmaker> Ammler: yes, the released ones 12:45:26 <Ammler> wow, works :-) 12:46:37 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-rv <-- jfyi, this isn't valid url 12:46:49 <Ammler> you miss a "p/" 12:47:51 <planetmaker> hm, yes :-( 12:48:03 <planetmaker> btw, did you fix building of opengfx releases? 12:49:26 <Ammler> I wonder, if I can make a rewrite rule for such urls 12:50:51 <planetmaker> it would then fit the bundles URLs 12:51:12 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-186-185.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 12:51:25 <planetmaker> though... not sure... there are others which do not need / want a 'project' expansion 12:51:33 <Yexo> hmm, URLs for AIs. Somebody should add an open browser button to the debug window to make it easier to report bugs 12:51:45 * TrueBrain looks at Yexo 12:51:47 <TrueBrain> :D 12:51:51 <planetmaker> :-D 12:51:59 <andythenorth> Yexo: any suggestions? http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3405 12:52:00 <Yexo> I already made the suggestion! :p 12:52:08 <TrueBrain> Yexo: yes; that is halve the work 12:52:11 <TrueBrain> you can as well finish it :D 12:52:30 <Yexo> I was more thinking along the lines: I did half of it, somebody else should do the other half :p 12:52:33 <planetmaker> andythenorth: did you try 1..3: return blub ? 12:52:36 <Yexo> nah, i will sometime later 12:52:42 <TrueBrain> Yexo: hehehe :P 12:52:46 <Yexo> andythenorth: that snipped looks ok 12:52:59 <Ammler> planetmaker: possible, that only the tag is part of 0.4 branch? 12:53:04 <Yexo> meh, visual studio still won't start :( 12:53:19 <TrueBrain> what is wrong with it? 12:53:26 <Yexo> it displays an error window "Cannot create the window." with only an ok button 12:53:32 <TrueBrain> :s 12:54:14 <Ammler> this would be useless, as tags are global :-) 12:54:15 <planetmaker> yes, Ammler :-( 12:54:22 <Yexo> andythenorth: is that code part of bandit already? 12:54:24 <Yexo> if so, which vehicle? 12:54:48 <planetmaker> though... hm. 12:55:22 <planetmaker> Ammler: yes, that's true. I only branched prior to tagging. So it's ok 12:55:59 <planetmaker> and that's how it should be. My plan is to now start with removing the stuff which is required by OpenTTD < 1.1.x 12:56:02 <Yexo> planetmaker: not sure what you think about it, but I'm very tempted to get everything useful (proper licence, .blend files included) from jupix repository and start adding it to opengfx+ as soon as the format for ez sprites is final 12:56:06 <planetmaker> it will reduce the extra grf quite a lot 12:56:18 <planetmaker> Yexo: I fully agree 12:56:23 <Yexo> ie don't discuss it in the 32bpp forum, just do it and perhaps send some pms to recently active artists 12:56:39 <planetmaker> I'm tempted the same. We agree, it seems 12:57:10 <planetmaker> and it seems that TB already has some prototype scripting for blender. So we've even something to start from ;-) 12:57:12 <Ammler> planetmaker: well, the branch for tagging was useless 12:57:24 <Yexo> yes, that would be very nice :) 12:57:25 <Ammler> as tags are globally, also if you make those in a tag 12:57:26 <andythenorth> Yexo: yes, that's bandit, but that code isn't committed 12:57:28 <Ammler> branch* 12:57:35 <Ammler> now you need merge for 0 12:57:44 <Yexo> andythenorth: can you provide a diff of code you tried? 12:57:49 <planetmaker> Ammler: yes. I know. It's more to indicate that further things in default need not be part of 0.4.x releases this year 12:57:50 <andythenorth> Yexo there's only one proper vehicle in bandit - in sprites/nml/trucks/test_vehicle 12:57:51 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08f33c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:57:59 <andythenorth> I'll just commit it not working 12:58:16 <planetmaker> andythenorth: you know hg diff > patchfile ? 12:58:30 <planetmaker> comitting w/o working is... strange 12:58:32 <andythenorth> yes 12:58:37 <planetmaker> what's wrong with that then? 12:58:58 <TrueBrain> Yexo: are there enough blend uploads on jupix? 12:59:17 <Yexo> not many, but I'll scrape what files I can get 12:59:18 <LordAro> plenty ;) 12:59:20 <andythenorth> planetmaker: then I have to upload to devzone or paste - but ok :P 12:59:28 <TrueBrain> as tbh, only blend files are useful 12:59:36 <TrueBrain> any uploaded pngs are basically useless on the long term 12:59:43 <Yexo> TrueBrain: last time I looked, there were quite a few. Most of them only had z0 sprites rendered 12:59:57 <Yexo> at the time I wanted at least normal zoom sprites since that was the only thing trunk supported 13:00:01 <LordAro> basically, most 'Released' entries have blend files 13:00:11 <TrueBrain> LordAro: that is good to know 13:00:22 <TrueBrain> I noticed that the default blend on the wiki has some slight mistakes 13:00:35 <TrueBrain> enough to create pixel errors 13:00:37 <LordAro> that doesn't surprise me, tbh :P 13:00:46 <Yexo> doesn't surprise me either 13:01:05 <andythenorth> hmm 13:01:05 <TrueBrain> it did to me; if you upload a blend for others to work from, at least make sure it is 100% :P 13:01:11 <LordAro> however, jupix.info seems to be down 13:01:17 <planetmaker> lol 13:01:22 <Yexo> all the more reason to stop using it 13:01:22 <andythenorth> articulated cb was an issue with duplicate files in my local repo 13:01:34 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:85fa:7b92:6c0a:8421] has joined #openttd 13:01:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:03:38 *** Markavian [~Markavian@188-222-85-41.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:17 *** Markavian [~Markavian@188-222-85-41.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:13:33 <TrueBrain> its funny, because it is true 13:14:34 <TrueBrain> time for the last xmas dinner of the year! o/ 13:17:00 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23673 /trunk/os/ (2 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: prepare the installers for some (future) massive changes in OpenGFX w.r.t. compatability with earlier versions 13:23:13 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@88.128.87.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:23:35 *** Irenicus [b2e90fd3@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:24:05 <Irenicus> hello everyone 13:25:16 <Rubidium> hello someone 13:25:59 <Terkhen> hi Irenicus 13:26:03 <Terkhen> bbl 13:28:01 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:28:35 <Irenicus> i'm new to the community (Yogscaster as it were), can you tell me if there's any info on how a vehicle breaksdown (I know it depends on the difficulty setting, but is there a general idea)? 13:32:06 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-65-86.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:32:08 <Rubidium> there a 'maximum' reliability for a vehicle. When just leaving the depot this is at its highest and it slowly decreases. The chance on a breakdown is related to the 'current' reliability percentage 13:32:57 <Rubidium> during the model life the maximum reliablity will start low, increase (not necessarily to 100%) and decrease again once the model gets older 13:35:58 <andythenorth> how do I 'shorten' a vehicle to 8/8 with nml? 13:36:20 <andythenorth> (case is I have template, and use a define for length) 13:36:34 <andythenorth> I have to use #ifdef? 13:37:35 <planetmaker> just use the proper keyword directly as the value for the property or callback result 13:38:01 <planetmaker> and in case of no shortening just use the value for full vehicle length 13:38:21 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-4-118.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:38:36 * Alberth thinks andy wants an 'if' evaluation in the template :p 13:39:52 <andythenorth> I'll use the keyword 13:40:02 <andythenorth> I'm not used to all the magic built-ins yet 13:42:42 <LordAro> jupix.info is working again, FYI 13:44:27 *** Irenicus [b2e90fd3@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:48:33 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:85fa:7b92:6c0a:8421] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48:44 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:85fa:7b92:6c0a:8421] has joined #openttd 13:55:44 <vargadanis|afk20> andythenorth, can I download FIRS already:) 13:55:53 <vargadanis|afk20> or shall I still wait a little bit longer? 13:56:01 *** vargadanis|afk20 is now known as vargadanis 13:56:20 <planetmaker> you can always download it... But the current bananas version is a few months old 13:56:34 <andythenorth> vargadanis: wait a bit :P 13:56:34 <planetmaker> wait for next year for a new version ;-) 13:56:36 <vargadanis> oh.. I guess I should go for nightly 13:56:44 <planetmaker> that's an option 13:56:46 <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/ 13:57:00 <vargadanis> if you want I gladly beta test if you need another someone 13:57:54 <Terkhen> beta testing is always welcome :) 13:58:09 <Terkhen> (both for OpenTTD 1.2.0 and FIRS 0.7) 13:58:13 <vargadanis> the project webste is redmine? 13:58:18 <andythenorth> yes 13:58:25 <vargadanis> sweet... love redmine 13:58:37 <Terkhen> yeah, it's quite nice 13:58:55 *** Irenicus [b2e90fd3@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:58:56 <vargadanis> so it would be best if i tested ttd 1.2.0 with FIRS 0.7? :) 13:58:59 <planetmaker> vargadanis: testing the nightlies is always very welcome 13:59:09 <planetmaker> that'll make sure that the releases will be better :-) 13:59:22 <vargadanis> tbh I got completly hooked 13:59:28 <planetmaker> :-) 13:59:36 <vargadanis> never played with any game that gave me so much ... fun :) 13:59:50 <Alberth> vargadanis: that's common amongst new players :) 14:00:05 <vargadanis> okay, I'll make a separate installation for 1.2 and FIRS 14:00:11 <vargadanis> and see what happens 14:01:04 <Irenicus> i'm trying to figure out how many days a vehicle can travel before a breakdown 14:01:06 <vargadanis> btw... a feature request... a map size of 4096x4096 14:01:50 <Irenicus> is there any data that says something like "80% vehicle has a 90% chance to have a breakdown in two months" etc? 14:01:54 <vargadanis> Irenicus, I believe it works differently... it always have a chance to break down and the chance of breakdown increases with the passing of time 14:02:13 <Rubidium> first prove you can connect everything on a 2048x2048 map and have it run without slowdowns 14:02:14 <vargadanis> after the last maintenance 14:02:21 <Irenicus> because passing of time brings reliability down yes 14:02:41 <Alberth> Irenicus: I use the simple approach that higher reliability gives me less breakdowns on average 14:02:44 <vargadanis> Rubidium, cannot do that O_o 14:02:59 <Rubidium> so why a 4096x4096 map? 14:03:20 <vargadanis> well dunno... I just figured that I started on a 128x128 map 14:03:26 <vargadanis> now am at 512x512 14:03:35 <vargadanis> and everything is connected pretty much 14:03:51 <vargadanis> in a few months I figured that 2048x2048 wouldn't be big enough :) 14:03:55 <Alberth> in how many years? 14:04:18 <vargadanis> started at 1950 and by 1980 everything was hooked 14:04:29 <vargadanis> well everything that was worth mentioning 14:04:39 <vargadanis> coal mines with 24tons of prod was omitted 14:04:40 <Alberth> 1K^2 is 4 times as big, so you'll need 120 years 14:04:56 <Alberth> 2K^2 is 16 times as big 14:05:01 <Alberth> @calc 16 * 30 14:05:01 <DorpsGek> Alberth: 480 14:05:21 <vargadanis> well didn't think that one through 14:05:34 <vargadanis> is openttd being developed in C or C++? 14:05:47 <Alberth> it's C++ 14:05:56 <Rubidium> that's debatable ;) 14:05:58 <appe> http://9maiali.com/watches/intro/10H008.jpg 14:06:00 <appe> oh, sorry. 14:06:01 <Alberth> but there is a lot of C-like code around 14:06:29 <vargadanis> I noticed that when running ttd only one of my cores are being utilized 14:06:49 <vargadanis> does ttd use treads or something that could be distributed between cores? 14:06:54 <vargadanis> threads* 14:07:15 <Alberth> that's debatable too :) 14:07:23 <vargadanis> uff okkay :) 14:07:33 <vargadanis> I'll stick to what I know best 14:07:42 <vargadanis> play the game and leave these things to ya :) 14:07:57 <Alberth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=57933 14:08:03 *** vargadanis is now known as vargadanis|TTDing 14:10:48 <vargadanis|TTDing> yeah got it 14:11:58 <vargadanis|TTDing> it doesn occur to me: there are huge MMOs out there which has to work in the very same deterministic way TTD is supposed to work, yet thee calculations are distributed between many nodes of a cluster 14:12:10 <vargadanis|TTDing> but again that is a completly different thing again 14:14:04 <planetmaker> vargadanis|TTDing: you might consider to not change your nick to reflect everything you do. Just keep your nick... also for afk and stuff. 14:16:09 <Alberth> vargadanis|TTDing: OpenTTD works differently; every machine participating in the game runs all computations. Otherwise you don't have enough band width at the network. 14:36:16 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:46:26 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has left #openttd [] 14:46:27 <michi_cc> Irenicus: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=933954#p933954 14:46:57 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-91-153.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:48:40 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r23674 /trunk/src/blitter/32bpp_simple.cpp: -Fix (r23670): Don't read invalid memory in the 32bpp simple blitter. 14:49:30 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 14:49:30 *** George is now known as Guest21767 14:49:30 *** George|2 is now known as George 14:49:39 <Alberth> apparently, nobody has put it at the wiki 14:53:00 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-65-86.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:57:58 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE0013f7fc9e20-CM0013f7fc9e1c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 15:03:09 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@132-253.ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has joined #openttd 15:10:32 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 15:14:19 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:16:30 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest21770 15:16:30 *** fjb|tab [~frank@pD9EA68DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:17:05 <andythenorth> bbl 15:17:06 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:19:28 *** Guest21770 [~frank@p5DDFF4B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:25:36 *** TWerkhoven2[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:31:58 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:35:08 *** TWerkhoven2[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:43 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host217-43-110-45.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:45 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 15:42:58 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host217-43-110-45.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:43:41 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:46:26 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 15:58:53 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:01:08 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:05:24 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-033-110.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 16:16:13 *** vargadanis|TTDing [vargadanis@catv-89-135-23-65.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:18:20 <LordAro> "Error creating thumbnail: sh: /usr/bin/convert: not found" <-- on the wiki 16:18:39 <LordAro> http://wiki.openttd.org/Industrial_Buildings_%28New_Graphics%29#Oil_supply 16:19:07 <LordAro> ^ Truebrain? 16:19:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:19:53 <planetmaker> it's always a good idea to include the issue in the same line as the highlight ;-) When reading back (much) later it's otherwise not visible anymore 16:20:06 <planetmaker> (but don't repeat it now) ;-) 16:41:55 *** Irenicus [b2e90fd3@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:02:36 <LordAro> gah, why is it 2 really useful too,d for 32bpp-ez (pngcrop and pngresize) are written in delphi?? 17:07:40 <LordAro> still, seems to work with wine 17:10:11 <planetmaker> use NML ;-) 17:10:44 <LordAro> for offsets of ez pngs? 17:13:21 <planetmaker> it's not well tested, but should work. Look for alternative_sprites in the nml documentation 17:13:53 <planetmaker> though for how it works currently, pngcodec etc might be better suited 17:20:48 <LordAro> ha :P 17:20:59 <LordAro> argh, anyone any good at batch scripting? 17:21:07 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.228] has joined #openttd 17:24:37 <Alberth> try shell-scripting instead :p 17:24:59 <Alberth> or a Makefile :) 17:28:19 <LordAro> can't it involves wine cmd :( 17:28:58 <LordAro> either way, i got wrote it out manually, rather than use a for loop 17:33:36 <Alberth> batch does not have a for-loop, unless they changed it in the past 15 years :p 17:33:55 <LordAro> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/180741/how-to-do-something-to-each-file-in-a-directory-with-a-batch-script <-- aparrently so :P 17:34:11 <LordAro> *apparently 17:34:51 <Alberth> finally :D 17:35:11 <LordAro> huh? 17:35:51 <Alberth> I was missing it 15 years ago :) 17:36:21 <LordAro> you of all people shold know computing changes lots in 15 years :P 17:37:20 <Alberth> nah, you just get a bunch of new hypes that everybody jumps on :p 17:37:25 <Alberth> (just kidding) 17:40:35 <LordAro> well, with windoze that isn't too far off :) 17:41:55 <SpComb^> cmd.exe has a variety of for loops 17:42:18 <SpComb^> it can do files-in-dir, fields-in-lines-in-files and whatnot 17:44:39 <LordAro> bored noaw. anyone help with my microphone problem? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1900169 17:51:53 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-95-95.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:59 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:18:03 <Eddi|zuHause> can we have mouse wheel going to zoom 1x, and ctrl+mouse wheel go x2 and x4? 18:35:47 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.hdsnet.hu] has joined #openttd 18:40:46 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r23675 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 18:40:46 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:40:46 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: belarusian - 3 changes by Wowanxm 18:40:46 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: indonesian - 18 changes by fanioz 18:40:46 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: persian - 47 changes by Peymanpn 18:40:47 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: urdu - 19 changes by haider 19:10:32 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: where are your cargo class draft specs? 19:11:01 <planetmaker> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Cargo_redefinitions 19:11:25 <dihedral> woops 19:11:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:18:20 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-101-205.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:23:22 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-128-154.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:24:43 *** insulfrog [~insulfrog@host-78-149-88-7.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 19:26:05 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:31:14 <insulfrog> hi all 19:31:42 <planetmaker> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action0/Cargos#CargoClasses_.2816.29 <-- there, Eddi|zuHause. I made your suggestion official ;-) 19:31:51 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:31:56 <planetmaker> as no-one dared, obviously 19:32:12 <Eddi|zuHause> good 19:36:08 <Alberth> good night all 19:36:46 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:37:35 <insulfrog> I have been having a go at the NoGo system that is in the r23672 nightly along with the 2 extra zoom levels, looks good so far 19:39:42 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41:52 <insulfrog> do you think that the NoGo system might lead to an 'objective' system like there is in other 'transport-based' tycoon games? 19:42:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A199.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:03 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 19:44:28 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:59 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:53:09 <planetmaker> depends what you make of it, insulfrog 19:55:45 <insulfrog> well I do say that it is very early to tell withouth an extensive set of NoGo scripts and some very creative people writing them 19:56:08 <insulfrog> *without 20:03:37 *** TWerkhoven2[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:08:42 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:24 <insulfrog> I am thinking about Railroad Tycoon (2 and 3) too often about thinking about 'mission objectives' (i.e. deliver many cargo x to place y or make z amount of money, etc :p ) but perhaps something similar can be done in openttd if NoGo is successful 20:16:57 <andythenorth> insulfrog I dunno what inspired TB to do NoGo, but I have been asking for that for some years :) 20:17:25 <andythenorth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Requested_features/Gameplay_Goals_Framework 20:18:08 <andythenorth> I doubt that my request is why it got done though :D 20:18:26 <TrueBrain> LordAro: I would have no clue; I dont maintain the mediawiki installation .. I guess Rubidium knows more about those issues 20:18:38 <planetmaker> insulfrog: it can be done. Right now 20:18:46 <planetmaker> just write your script to ensure that ;-) 20:19:40 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: I presented a small list of things I would be willing to do to the OpenTTD dev (when talking over what OpenTTD needs), and they picked NoGo as the thing to do (to give a rough summary :p). It wasnt until a few days into working on it I read that others had the same idea over the years :P 20:19:48 <TrueBrain> (only underlines the long standing need for something like that :P) 20:20:03 <insulfrog> if that is going to be successful, we will need to create something a bit more 'user friendly' rather than writing a script like a complex pregramming language 20:20:12 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE0013f7fc9e20-CM0013f7fc9e1c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Snail_] 20:20:12 <andythenorth> why? 20:20:13 <insulfrog> *programming 20:20:22 <planetmaker> insulfrog: ehm... no? 20:20:28 <andythenorth> making it harder reduces the number of people who can do it 20:20:33 <andythenorth> which is good 20:20:39 <planetmaker> you cannot have the full flexibility and the "one button solves it all" 20:20:49 <planetmaker> Just download your favourite script, if you don#t feel like programming 20:21:01 <planetmaker> via ingame content download 20:21:12 <planetmaker> but then... you've got to eat what is being served 20:21:47 <planetmaker> it's an option. How people use it: up to them 20:21:57 <planetmaker> it's the same difficulty level as AI or NewGRFs 20:22:05 <planetmaker> for the user and the programmer 20:23:23 <insulfrog> if railroad tycoon 2 and 3 can create a mission based scenario in the game itself with a few dialogue boxes then surley something similar can be done in openttd. 20:23:45 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.hdsnet.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:50 <andythenorth> I thought the RT3 scenarios were scripted? 20:23:58 <planetmaker> yes. Just click 'use this scenario script' and be done. Even simpler 20:24:29 <andythenorth> I never made any, but reading hawkdawg, I thought the more crafted scenarios used simple scripting 20:24:30 *** SpComb [terom@194.197.235.230] has joined #openttd 20:24:49 <andythenorth> hmm 20:25:10 <andythenorth> BANDIT trucks name strings will be [Manufacturer] [Model name] 20:25:21 <andythenorth> but for an alphabetised sort, that might be annoying? 20:25:24 <Zuu> insulfrog: Also, we are at a moment where people with skills that are not really have a full idea of what to do with NoGo. It just opens too many posibilities. :-) 20:25:53 *** TWerkhoven2[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:26:12 <Zuu> You'll have to wait for people to figure out smart ways to use the scripting environment and produce good and well designed goal packages. 20:26:18 <TrueBrain> I see no issues to (over time) make a simple dialog to click a few entries to start specific scenario 20:26:23 <TrueBrain> of course someone will have to write a script for that 20:26:40 <TrueBrain> but it should be easy enough (over time) to make it configurable to an extend it feels like you are configuring a scenario 20:27:00 <TrueBrain> but like said, NoGo atm is for script writers to present something to users 20:27:02 <TrueBrain> not for end-users 20:27:16 <planetmaker> like the new newgrf possibilities, too 20:27:35 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-101-205.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:40 <planetmaker> it's not like you can now magically expect old sets to refit in stations ;-) 20:27:57 <TrueBrain> but but but but 20:27:58 <TrueBrain> OWH! 20:28:29 * andythenorth makes trucks 20:29:50 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE0013f7fc9e20-CM0013f7fc9e1c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 20:32:22 <andythenorth> hola Snail_ 20:32:37 <Snail_> hey andy 20:32:41 <Snail_> how's it going? 20:33:31 <andythenorth> trucks 20:38:01 <TrueBrain> they go: vroem vroem 20:46:59 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 20:47:33 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:51:13 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.hdsnet.hu] has joined #openttd 20:53:57 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:56:59 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57:05 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:00:06 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:12 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:01:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 21:28:59 <TrueBrain> LordAro: wiki issue fixed 21:30:40 <LordAro> yay :) 21:30:42 <LordAro> ty 21:31:11 <TrueBrain> thank Rubidium :P 21:31:19 <TrueBrain> he knew what was missing :) 21:32:34 <LordAro> at least someone did :P 21:37:16 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-101-205.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:42:58 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:46:46 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-101-205.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:12 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE0013f7fc9e20-CM0013f7fc9e1c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Snail_] 21:53:31 <LordAro> Truebrain: i was about to complain that the problem is still there, but then i remembered to hard refresh :) 21:55:10 <__ln__> http://facecrooks.com/Internet-Safety-Privacy/social-seating-allows-klm-passengers-to-pick-their-seatmates.html 21:55:24 <insulfrog> well, gotta go, cyas 21:55:25 *** insulfrog [~insulfrog@host-78-149-88-7.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby] 22:05:46 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-26-127-180.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:41:23 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:41:58 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 22:43:02 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE0013f7fc9e20-CM0013f7fc9e1c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 22:44:36 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@132-253.ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:48:03 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: Sla Mutant Co-Op for Renegade - coming back soon] 22:54:42 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:05:24 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p4FC23059.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:06:09 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.hdsnet.hu] has left #openttd [] 23:06:41 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 23:08:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A199.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:16:27 <Terkhen> good night 23:22:56 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 23:24:59 <andythenorth> bye 23:25:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 23:26:33 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 23:32:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A199.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:35 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host217-43-110-45.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: "Time is an illusion. 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